[00:00:01] You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network and this is the Political Cesspool. The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program. And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
[00:00:28] So much to talk about tonight ladies and gentlemen, so much we need to get to and get to it we will. The Saturday evening June the 15th we are, we're in summer now boys I can tell you that.
[00:00:43] I took my kid, my son to a catfish rodeo this morning and so we got there, we checked in 8 o'clock. Started at 9 by 11 o'clock, there wasn't a dry piece of clothing on.
[00:00:56] It was good times Keith, it's father and son summertime stuff, much more southern summer than a catfish rodeo. Yeah you got to do a catfish or a fishing rodeo sometime with your male sons. I used to go catfishing with my granddad just about every weekend in the summer.
[00:01:12] We'd either do that or go to the zoo or go to the Pink Palace which is the museum here. Back then you could go to the airport and walk up to the terminal and watch the planes take off and land.
[00:01:23] Going back to the 80's you could do that. It was always one of those things but going out and doing that today with Henry was wonderful. He caught six catfish, we had six on a stringer there so he did a good job.
[00:01:34] Well another consequence of all this hot weather is increasing utility bills. I was looking at my utility bill estimate for half of the month and it's the normal amount I have for the entire month.
[00:01:47] Well I tell you what, it's heating up out there, it's heating up in here and it's going to heat up even more now. So happy to receive so much correspondence from the listening audience.
[00:01:57] This came in a few days ago, earlier this week rather, from a listener in Kansas City and he writes, Dear Mr. Edwards, it was pleasing to see your recent collaborations with Warren Balog as Modern Politics and the Political Sesspool are the two programs I never miss.
[00:02:11] I find him to be as worthy and complimentary a fit for your forum as fellow stalwart Brad Griffin and hope to hear from him on the program as often. And he writes that he is on the Balogian end of our listenership spectrum.
[00:02:26] Well my friend, I thank you for that note and your wish is my command. What does that mean? Your wish is my command because he's back now and for good reason. This is Warren Balog for the third time in two months. Warren, how are you this evening?
[00:02:43] I'm doing great, Keith. Usually the Balogian end, I'll just say that's the Hitlerian end of the political spectrum, whatever it is. How are you guys doing? Liz, if we could, I tell you what, we're hot, it's hot even in the studio tonight.
[00:02:58] Liz, I don't know if it's possible but if we could pipe Warren's audio up just a little bit, he's coming in a little light on that landline. But no, we are doing good, good family time today. Father's Day tomorrow, happy Father's Day gentlemen to both of you.
[00:03:12] Let me just get that put out there right here. Same goes, happy Father's Day to both of you. I tell you what, it doesn't get enough credit, these fathers in America, white fathers especially, I guess those are really the only kind.
[00:03:25] My adult sons are taking me out to dinner tomorrow. Yeah, for every father out there listening tonight, happy Father's Day. Well anyway, Warren you were on with us in mid-May right before the conference so that was just about a month ago.
[00:03:40] And we had you back on at the conference and we nibbled on some topics. But I didn't think that we did the full deep dive that I wanted to on this particular topic that you're coming back on to discuss with us tonight.
[00:03:55] And it got resuscitated because one of your fellow speakers at the conference was having lunch with some colleagues earlier, well I think earlier this week, a few days ago in any event and one of the gentlemen he had lunch with said,
[00:04:10] hey do you have a copy of Warren Balak's speech? I heard it was just fascinating. There's a lot of information there that I need to know and that a lot of people didn't know.
[00:04:18] And that's the thing is as interesting as this story is and it has been covered, I don't think it's gotten nearly the coverage that it deserves.
[00:04:29] So even though we touched on it in your appearance on the conference floor back in May and in the week prior to that, we're going to focus on it almost exclusively tonight if you don't mind.
[00:04:41] And that is the Buchanan to Trump connection or the Trump Buchanan connection and how one informed the other and may have been the reason for a monumental shift in American politics. And by the way folks, for all of you American Free Press subscribers, that's my next Q&A.
[00:05:01] The next Q&A is with Warren Balak on this topic because I think it needs a little bit closer examination. Keith very quickly because we're running behind already. I think it's something that all of us knew but didn't focus on before,
[00:05:12] but you focused on it perfectly that this, you know, reform party contest to see who is going to be the presidential candidate in 2000 was Trump's first initiation, first experience in the political realm and running for president.
[00:05:32] And it's, you know, you're right that apparently I don't know that he intended to learn anything from it because I don't think he ever intends that. But I think that he did learn quite a bit from that experience. Well Warren has done the research.
[00:05:48] Warren has actually cobbled together every piece of so-called mainstream, we call it controlled, call it what you need to, but every bit of publicity that has been dedicated to this topic, Warren has compiled it and he put together just an insightful talk at the TPC conference last month.
[00:06:07] So we're going to focus on that exclusively. We've nibbled on it. Now we're going to eat the whole thing. So again, let's just start at the beginning. That reform party convention, Warren, I told you on the phone earlier this week,
[00:06:16] I grinned ear-to-ear when any time anyone asked me about the year 2000 because it was such a transformative year in my life and yours and especially for someone else who was there, although we didn't know we were there until years later when we actually first met.
[00:06:29] I love talking about this. So let's talk about that convention. Pat Buchanan won the nomination, but it was challenged and it was challenged as early as 1999 when Trump announced his intention to become the reform party nominee. And this is the topic of the show.
[00:06:45] And without further ado, we're going to toss it over to Warren. But 25 years, the 25-year political evolution of Donald Trump from 1999 to 2024, take us back, Warren, to those early years and to those early months of the year 2000.
[00:06:59] Sure. Well, first of all, I'll put it in context what Ross Perot did with the reform party. I just did...I'll take this opportunity to plug my latest show, James. I did a Modern Politics Week on the history of the big people
[00:07:16] who have challenged the system in the last hundred years in America. And I really focused on four figures, Huey Long, George Wallace, Ross Perot, and Donald Trump. And I was thinking about this because I had a conversation with my father
[00:07:32] about the NJP that we were trying to do there for years to get it off the ground. We were unsuccessful. And I was thinking about how the last time I did a third party effort was 20 years earlier because we started the NJP in 2020.
[00:07:44] So we started it...we got involved with the reform party in 2000. And how...I was thinking about that convention. And it occurred to me what a big, lavish, huge convention that was. You were there. Anybody who was there will never forget it.
[00:07:58] There isn't a lot of footage of it online, only really on C-SPAN. And it doesn't really do it justice how big it was. But I got to thinking about how big it was and how lavish.
[00:08:07] And I just actually, since I last spoke to you, I looked it up. And it was, I think, $2.5 million or something was put at the disposal of the reform party in federal matching funds just to mount the political convention. I don't know if that was all spent there,
[00:08:24] but an enormous amount of money was spent mounting that convention. And this is due to Ross Perot and his legacy, 1992 and 1996. And in 96, he ran as an independent in 92. In 96, he ran as a reform party. In 92, he got 19% of the vote. I mean, that's a three-way race. Huge.
[00:08:46] Well, since George Wallace. Huge, yes. It's a three-way race. And then he got a little over 8% in the year 1996. And that's how he was able to qualify. That's why the reform party qualified for all these federal matching funds. Warren, if I could just interject here very quickly.
[00:09:05] Pardon the interruption, my friend. But this is what people who weren't there don't understand is that why would Buchanan want to seek the reform party nomination? Not money. M-O-N-E-Y. Part of it. That's a small part of it because $8-12 million, whatever it was,
[00:09:19] isn't a lot in terms of presidential campaigns, especially not now. But Buchanan's case was, the case was, if he was receiving as the reform party nominee, federal taxpayer matching funds for his campaign, that should qualify him to be in the presidential debates.
[00:09:38] And he thought, this was the thinking the whole time, if he could get in the presidential debates, he could make some noise. And he was staking his claim on that being that the reform party at that time was one of three federally funded parties
[00:09:50] receiving matching funds along with the Republicans and the Democrats. Obviously, that didn't happen in the rest of his history. But had he been in those debates, and that was the thing, that matching money you're talking about was the case he was making.
[00:10:02] Well, that's why he went for the reform party, not for some of these other perennial third parties that run. Well, that and the fact that there was a lot of issues that overlapped, especially on trade and on immigration, and even with Donald Trump.
[00:10:20] I will give Donald Trump credit that even back then he was speaking about trade imbalances and he was talking about immigration, but not in the cultural terms that he casted in later. It was very much just in terms of, okay, well, America can't do this.
[00:10:34] Donald Trump at that time when he was considering running, and he was friends with Jesse Ventura, and Jesse Ventura had won in Minnesota on the reform party. He was a sitting governor as a reform party governor, yeah. Right, and Ventura won by getting in the debates.
[00:10:49] I mean, that's really what pushed him in. He got in the debates. He did such a good job that it pushed him over the line. So, yeah, Trump was trying to get the nomination, but the man that was running, the Donald Trump running in 1999,
[00:11:03] October of 1999 was when he declared, totally different guy than 2015, 2016. He was culturally, socially, he was a, you could say a moderate centrist or even a liberal. He was extremely pro-life. I mean, made a big deal out of it. Pro-choice. He was pro-choice, yeah, pro-choice.
[00:11:25] He was also very, wanted to have Oprah Winfrey as his running mate. He repeatedly said this. I mean, in interview after interview, he said he wanted Oprah Winfrey as his running mate. And I actually found some more things, James,
[00:11:40] when I was doing that Q&A for America Free Press, some stuff that I didn't have in my speech, is that he floated as members of his cabinet. He wanted Colin Powell as secretary of state, and he wanted John McCain as his secretary of defense.
[00:11:57] And think of the loggerheads he was at with John McCain. I mean, right up to the end of that guy's life. Trump ran against neoconservatism. He ran against neoconservatism in 2015 and 2016, and that's a big part of why he won. But back in 2000, he was actually saying
[00:12:16] that he would do a first strike or possibly even a nuclear first strike on North Korea. Well, let me say this, and I want to toss it to Keith, because you're bringing up a huge point. To compare and contrast, again, what we're talking about with Warren Balak tonight
[00:12:30] is the political evolution of Donald Trump from 99 to 2024 and why he reemerged in 2015 as a very different candidate. Because one of the things, I mean, yes, build-the-wall immigration was his tour de force, but breaking with the GOP neoconservative establishment on these foreign entanglements, these unconstitutional wars, was huge,
[00:12:53] and he was running against Bush and McCain on that. But in 1999, he said, McCain would be his choice as Secretary of Defense. So that is a radical change in 16 years, and in a moment we're going to get to why Warren believes that change occurred
[00:13:08] and how it propelled him into the White House. But Keith, very quickly. Well, you know, remember back in 1996 that Pat Buchanan picked Zola Foster? That was 2000. Or 2000, yeah, whatever it was. There seemed to be this fashion at the time of having a black running mate.
[00:13:26] Well, that's just one thing. But the thing about that... She was a nice lady. But then on the other hand, on the other hand... And she was right on the issues, but I mean, I get it. He was turned down by about God knows how many people.
[00:13:38] I can't even remember who all turned him down, but I can tell you the names. But the point I wanted to make about Donald Trump is that you have to remember he's a guy that really doesn't have an ideology. He has opinions. Right.
[00:13:51] Some of his opinions may be far left, some may be far right, some all over the map. And he's not a deep thinker. I think that his success in business has come from the fact that he has a good gut instinct about certain things.
[00:14:04] That's what Warren's going to keep, exactly. And that's what Warren's going to get into. But again, as we move on in this interview, Donald Trump in 1999 wants the Reform Party nomination for president of the United States. He calls Pat Buchanan,
[00:14:18] who was his obviously chief opposition for that piece, a Hitler lover. He doesn't like the blacks, doesn't like the gays. He's a wacko. And he thought he could... He said he's only going to get the extreme right, wacko vote, and then he actually corrected himself.
[00:14:31] He says, I don't even think it is right. It's just a wacko vote. And he can't imagine why anybody would think it was a guy. Well, his group now, that's his base. But so if the... Well, Donald Trump, he also said that, you know,
[00:14:43] he called out the fact, I think he called out the fact that David Duke had supported Pat Buchanan. I mean, Trump was running as like a New York liberal. Socially, he was a New York liberal when he ran. And there was none of the racial dog whistling,
[00:14:58] of the cultural, any of the cultural stuff that they accused him of later. America First, which was a Buchanan slogan. Yes, so that's an old slogan, of course, from the guys you guys both know. Charles Lindbergh. Yeah, sure, sure. Yeah, Lindbergh.
[00:15:14] But they were calling Buchanan an isolationist then. At that time, Trump, like I said, wanted to put John McCain as his Secretary of Defense and wanted to strike North Korea. So what happened was, Buchanan, of course, had run in 92... I mean, as everyone listening to this probably knows,
[00:15:30] Buchanan had run also in 92, and I guess in 96 as well. In 92, he gave his famous culture war speech running as a Republican for the Republican nomination. And Buchanan had mobilized in those eight years a very, very hardcore base of people that were called the Buchanan Brigades, Pitchfork Pat.
[00:15:50] And also I will say... Hear, hear! I will say that from just anecdotally from personal experience, I knew that his 2000 effort, there were a lot of people who could be described as white nationalists, even national socialists. I mean, all kinds of our guys were there.
[00:16:10] In fact, someone I met that I've known for years at your event, James said that he had also been there. Actually, my mind, people might have... I say his name is Mark Weber. Mark Weber, yeah, he's on the show all the time.
[00:16:25] Yeah, Mark Weber with a lot of people that were there that I didn't know at the time, but I came to know later. Right. And so, and I just know from... I mean, our whole West Virginia delegation organized by Jerry Heineman. I mean, Jerry Heineman was an old
[00:16:39] National States Rights Party guy. He was a national socialist. I mean, there were a lot of these people involved. I mean, I actually went to William Pearson, saw him at this time because we weren't living that far away. And when we were getting involved with the Buchanan campaign,
[00:16:54] and I believe he told us, he told me and my dad confidentially that Will Williams at that time was very active with the Buchanan campaign. So in other words, his campaign was being fueled by the enthusiasm and activism and fanatical support of all these highly motivated
[00:17:12] white racial activists, paleoconservatives, nationalists, and the reality is Trump didn't have a natural base of hardcore support. He was a New York liberal celebrity. He was a celebrity real estate developer. People knew who he was. He wasn't saying anything unique. He wasn't saying anything unique.
[00:17:31] Well, the thing was, he was not a red state American, and he found that he was drawing a lot of attention to his campaign from red state. We got to move this along, but I got to ask you this one before we move to 2015.
[00:17:46] So your understanding, I think now, ladies and gentlemen, the kind of candidate Trump presented himself as in 1999 and 2000, I guess the question would be for you, Warren, is people would ask, well, how could a man who would go on to beat Hillary Clinton as an underdog
[00:18:02] and actually become the President of the United States lose to a guy in 2000 who went on to receive 0.4% of the vote? Now, in Pat's defense, God bless Pat, I wouldn't be here without him. I love Pat Buchanan. He is my hero. Love him to this day.
[00:18:16] But he didn't get into the debates. They blocked him. He had gallbladder surgery that took him out of the campaign for the last three months of it, and a lot of people turned him down for the run. A lot of things went wrong,
[00:18:27] as you can expect in an insurgent campaign. But how did that happen? How could Buchanan beat the guy that beat Hillary Clinton? Because the reform party nomination, the man to capture the nomination, was not the guy that had the most name recognition nationwide. It wasn't passive voters.
[00:18:42] It was activists supporters. It was activists that did it. And the reality is the Buchanan Brigades from start to finish soundly defeated Donald Trump. Those were hostile takeovers. Those were hostile takeovers. All his money, all his money, all his celebrity, all his money.
[00:19:00] And I think this is something that really shocked him. The fact that he, because he had thought about running for president for years, the fact that he throws his name into the ring, he actually put a lot of money behind it.
[00:19:11] He had Roger Stone organizing his exploratory committee, and he really didn't even get the first base because he was out-organized by the Buchanan Brigades, who also essentially took the reform party away from Ross Perot. Because even though there were a lot of puro-tistas
[00:19:27] who supported Buchanan, like Pat Choate, who was Perot's running mate and he supported Pat, Perot himself did not. And so the reform party was rested away from Perot and Trump didn't even get to first base by the Buchanan Brigade. I can remember. I can remember.
[00:19:45] That was, I will say this, and I've got to say this. The results be damned. That was a cutthroat, professional, well-organized Buchanan campaign in terms of what they were able to do and taking over. I can remember being on the slate of the Buchanan slate
[00:20:08] to take over the Tennessee Reform Party. They put me in as treasurer of the campaign and a delegate to the convention. But you had to go into these state party conventions in state after state, all 50 states, and you had to take over the party.
[00:20:19] You had to have more people than were supporting Trump or the old Perot faction that didn't want Buchanan people in there. And you had to go, and this was a hostile takeover, and Buchanan took over all 50 states and there was no doubt about it,
[00:20:33] and it blocked anybody else because once you control the state parties, once you won these state conventions, that was it. You sent your slate of delegates to the convention in Long Beach that summer in 2000 and the rest is history, and these other people could not compete
[00:20:46] with that level of organization. And the big question is this. Did Trump learn from that being? That's what we're going to get to in the second half of this interview, but would you agree with that, Warren, that that was what happened in these state parties
[00:20:59] with this being a well-organized machine? Yes, absolutely. State by state by state, it happened in West Virginia, like I said, that's where I met Jerry Onoman, who became my mentor for a number of years. I mean, we had a group of guys that took control.
[00:21:13] The old faction was chased out to Cheers at the meeting in Flatwoods, West Virginia. This was my first time going to one of these meetings, and Papu Cannon was there, and we didn't know it at the time, but after the other faction left, we saw it.
[00:21:28] I mean, it was a, yes, a hostile takeover in West Virginia. It was contentious. I can remember the state convention in Tennessee that March when we first took over the state party and got control of everything. It was hostile. I mean, to say hostile, it was contentious.
[00:21:42] I mean, it was old-fashioned politics. It was, it was smashmouth, screaming, yelling, all of that. But where did Trump use the nationalist element, the white nationalist element that supported him? Where did they come into play? Not so much in his administration, definitely not as an administration,
[00:22:00] not even in his 2020 campaign, but in the fight for control of the Republican Party nomination, because that was a hell of a fight in the year 2016, and it wasn't done so much on the ground organizing as it was online. But Trump got the endorsement of Pat Buchanan,
[00:22:20] he got the endorsement of David Duke, he got all these people behind him because of how much he had shifted his rhetoric. And it started with the birther stuff, with Obama. But a lot of people, like I said, and we can go through here a little bit,
[00:22:35] some of the articles, because a lot of sort of elite liberal institutions newspapers and journalists have observed this transformation in Trump, they've taken note of it. But a lot of candidates, when they lose their first time, they learn from their mistakes, and then they make up
[00:22:51] for the mistakes that they made. And what basically happened was, I think, is that Trump realized that there was a huge untapped source of strength in America, both in the mass of people that were ready to support a candidate who was socially to the right,
[00:23:08] but economically not a neoconservative, not a trickle-down economics, big business, Wall Street type, but an actual populist, an economic populist, but socially very conservative, or you could say nationalist, that there was a natural huge voting base for that, but that the establishment was not serving those needs.
[00:23:28] Not even the Libertarian Party, which is socially liberal and economically conservative, or big business. Well see, Trump wasn't even serving those needs in 2000. I think he learned what his base wanted him to do, which was be a populist. Yes. Well that's what we're going
[00:23:48] to get into with Warren. We're about to come up on a break, and what we're going to get into with Warren next tonight. Warren did the research. I mean, he dug deep. I remembered all of this just from having been there and from my memory recall,
[00:24:00] but Warren actually went back and he reviewed all of the articles from that time, and fast forwarding to 2015, that's what we're going to do when we come back. So you see that Donald Trump in his first campaign for president, and people say, well you're over exaggerating that.
[00:24:16] No we're not. He really did go for it, and we're not the only one saying that. NBC News and a whole panoply of other so-called mainstream sources have documented it, but I don't think nearly to the extent that this story should be told. We're going to fast forward
[00:24:33] from 1999 and 2000 to 2015. Trump versus Buchanan transitions to Trump versus Clinton, and there's big changes. What were they and why did they occur? Warren Baylor is going to answer it when we come back. Stay tuned everybody. Pursuing Liberty. Using the Constitution as our guide. You're listening to
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[00:29:45] and the American Free Press and the American Free Press America's last real newspaper by visiting americanfrepress.net or by calling 1-88-699-NEWS americanfrepress.net Welcome back, and back with us is Warren Balog, a second generation nationalist who got interested in politics and history in high school
[00:30:21] when he was 18 years old! I was 20! You were 20 and still in high school? No, no, no, he was 18 and still in high school. Anyway, at 18 he was a volunteer for the Pat Buchanan campaign, a delegate as I was at the Reform Party Convention in the summer of 2000
[00:30:36] which we've been talking about during the first half of this hour. He spent many years active in electoral politics until the alt-right came along when he attended the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. By the way, Jason Kessler, author of the book Charlottesville and the Death
[00:30:51] of Free Speech will be our guest later tonight in the third hour. Eventually Warren co-founded the National Justice Party in 2020 was one of its main speakers and activists and by the way, I can say I watched several of Warren's speeches to the NJP and I told myself
[00:31:08] the next time I do an event, the next time we do a TPC conference, Warren is getting the call. We've got to have him there and he came and he did not disappoint and now he's doing a weekly show on Odyssey with his wife Emily, Modern Politics
[00:31:22] and he also does War Strike twice weekly on Odyssey and Rumble so be sure to check that out. Got this letter in well, this handwritten note I should say in from listener in Missouri. The old folks there call it Missouri. My wife and I enjoyed the conference.
[00:31:39] This is one of our attendees, one of our dear friends especially meeting Warren Balog. Tim Murdock and Jason Kessler for the first time so Warren, well received you were. That was a fantastic event a month ago this weekend as it turns out. Oh, I know,
[00:31:53] I can't believe it was already, it's been a month. It's been a this month has gone by quickly. No, I just want to say again, James, what a wonderful event that was. I mean it was just not only do you have such quality people who are listeners
[00:32:08] who were there. You know, my co-host on War Strike, Eric Stryker, Joseph Jordan is real name but he goes by Eric Stryker. He's a big believer of quality audience over quantity. You know, he's always telling me that when we stream. You know, he tries to build
[00:32:24] like a very high quality audience. He doesn't do a lot of drama stuff or nonsense. And he always keeps it pretty high brow or high quality content. And we've had a tremendous live stream viewing base that we've built since January. And it's convinced me of the idea that
[00:32:45] you put out good stuff and you will get good people back. You know, you get good people back. So it was an amazing event. The people, the political successful long time listeners who were there were great. It was a great honor to meet some people
[00:32:59] I've never met before like Brad Griffin and Jason Kessler who I was aware of all these years and I'd never met him before. So fantastic event. Once again, congratulations on that. Well made better by you brother and that is the absolute truth and especially with
[00:33:15] what you were talking about which interested so many you know, lifelong activists and advocates for our cause that weren't as familiar with it and you really wouldn't be unless you had been there as you and I had been. I tell you the two speakers
[00:33:30] out of the whole panoply of them that basically were a different new look where you and Tim Murdock in my opinion. Well everybody was great but everybody was great in different ways. And yeah, I mean I know what you're driving at Keith but there was just
[00:33:46] the information that you shared was I think really I think of historical importance but it was not as widely known even in our own ranks. So again, resetting. Talking about 1999 and 2000 Donald Trump to 2015 and one I got to tell you when Donald Trump descended
[00:34:05] so famously that golden escalator and announced his candidacy and I was reading headlines that Donald Trump announced that he was running for the 2016 GOP nomination I was like this guy again because the only thing I knew about him other than his celebrity and the apprentice
[00:34:19] and him being a New York real estate magnate was that he had run against Pat His most famous words up to that point were you're fired which is not music to the ears of a lot of his bass. He was a celebrity. I hated the guy.
[00:34:33] I mean I hated him. Like I will tell you guys because my first experience with Donald Trump as an 18 year old fanatic Buchanan supporter was seeing this guy on I think it was Meet The Press Trashing our guy. Saying about Buchanan oh he's a Hitler lover
[00:34:51] he doesn't like the blacks he doesn't like the gays and I remember thinking who is this richie rich this little spoiled rich kid you know, pursing his lips with his quaffed hair denigrating Buchanan and then his daddy old. I hated Donald Trump for about 15 years
[00:35:11] until I never forgave him for that. I mean every time I saw or thought of him I just heard him talking about Buchanan as a Hitler lover and then when I saw in 2015 I saw him give a talk about immigration and I was like what the hell man
[00:35:26] I got to pay attention to this guy. Calling them rapists. I will say he never fully won me over emotionally because I still had that residual dislike of him to begin with. But I thought if he's doing it we got to back him. That was my philosophy in 2016.
[00:35:42] That's right. Let me point out Go ahead Warren. And then Keith. Well I just want to say Disconnection. Let Warren go and then Keith. I'm a traffic cop. Warren you go then Keith go Warren. Okay all right I'm sorry Keith. I just want to say disconnection
[00:35:56] I wanted to mention is something that was immediately spotted by a lot of like I said elite media and a lot of Jews frankly I mean to just not put too fine a point on it. I mean the people really don't know what they're doing
[00:36:11] and they don't know what they're doing and they don't know what they're doing I mean the people writing about it you know I mentioned some quotes in my speech I went through a whole list of them and I won't bore you with all of them
[00:36:26] but one of them one of the early ones was a guy named Matt Grossman wrote for Vox and if you guys know Vox that's very neo-liberal Ezra Klein that's like almost J for J media you know he wrote in April of 2016 he wrote an article Donald Trump
[00:36:43] Donald Trump learned overt nativism from losing his first campaign to Pat Buchanan and he said that Donald Trump has earned six times the media coverage of any other Republican candidate so it may seem there's no stories left to be told about his campaign but one has gone
[00:37:01] surprisingly ignored Trump lost his first presidential campaign to Pat Buchanan and learned to copy Buchanan's nativist appeal in the process and he goes through the history of it one aspect of Trump's first campaign decidedly different from 2016 he declined to pursue a nativist appeal in fact he reportedly
[00:37:20] accused Buchanan of racism calling him a neo-Nazi Hitler lover with prehistoric views allied with the lunatic fringe and actually Trump in his book wrote that Buchanan has written too many inflammatory outrageous and controversial things and has systematically bashed blacks, Mexicans and gays and then essentially
[00:37:43] he asked what did Trump learn from his first presidential campaign he said that he retained the anti-trade message but added Buchanan's warning of losing the country to ethnic and religious minorities he lashed out against undocumented Mexican immigrants in his announcement speech made the Muslim ban
[00:38:00] the centerpiece of his campaign earning the support of Buchanan and Duke even resurrected Nixon's silent majority rhetoric a phrase suggested to Nixon by Buchanan and then Grossman writes in retrospect this changed approach does not seem like an accident many political candidates learn from their first loss sometimes overcompensating
[00:38:20] in an effort to remedy their biggest difficulty from the prior campaign in losing to Buchanan Trump learned that many disaffected anti-establishment voters shared Buchanan's ethnocentric views in his first campaign he avoided nativism and never led this time he began with Buchanan's message and led from the beginning
[00:38:38] perhaps losing to Buchanan and taught Trump the new tricks that is huge that is a huge thing coming from establishment media Keith go okay well what fantastic recitation what Trump didn't learn is he still is tone deaf on the J issue and on the race issue for example
[00:38:54] he's trying to dust off the platinum plan again I would challenge him to do this put your money where your mouth is Donald tell the Jews and tell the blacks you can't do this you can't do this you can't do this you can't do this
[00:39:06] you can't do this tell the blacks you give me 50 percent of your votes I'll make the platinum plan a priority I'll make Jewish issues a priority but right now what we the dispiriting thing that we see on the right is that maybe 5 percent of the blacks will vote
[00:39:23] for Donald Trump and it'll act like 95 percent of them did see that's what he's he still has that baggage of being a guy from Queens none of that is the question specifically the 2016 campaign remember he lost the 2020 campaign when he wrote because of what he's talking about
[00:39:37] yes Trump lost the alt-right he did not have the passionate support of our people there were many white working class voters for instance I was living in western PA there's a lot of union people there who are white working class and these are people who
[00:39:51] had been Democrat for years a lot of them hated Hillary Clinton so much that they voted for Trump in 2016 but anecdotally I know that a lot of these people by 2020 didn't vote for him and I know some small business that they didn't vote for
[00:40:04] and I know some small businessmen and others who had a little more money were a little more like traditional conservative types who didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and then voted for him in 2020 so what we're talking about is not Trump today and not Trump in 2020 but specifically
[00:40:20] yes that's right the example 2016 campaign this is not a referendum on Trump we know the pros and the cons and we know that he lost about 3 percent of the white working class voters those are things that he hasn't learned that he could have learned
[00:40:32] that's fine but that's not the again that's not the purpose of this conversation but the purpose of this conversation is from 1999 to 2015 when Trump announced his intention to seek the GOP nomination you had a completely different candidate because Warren I saw that he was running
[00:40:47] I was like you know this guy this guy that you know bashed Pat and then I started listening to what he had to say I was like well what the hell is going on here because this was a transformation whether it's sincere insincere whatever you know
[00:40:58] you're going to have to whether it's sincere insincere whatever you know in this regard Warren you commented in that speech at TPC anniversary 20th anniversary conference last month that Trump has always been good at recognizing an undervalued property and picking it up at a steal and that
[00:41:15] analogy played into hey there is this untapped reservoir of political strength in this country that nobody wants to harness and I'm going to do it and I'm going to become a political leader and I'm going to become a political leader and I'm going to become a political leader
[00:41:28] and I'm going to do it and I'm going to become president and he did how did that ability play into his political fortunes why Gentile politics is what it is absolutely and I'll tell you he talks about this openly in the art of the deal
[00:41:41] now the art of the deal people say oh that was ghost written for him there's enough of Donald Trump particularly I think it's in the second chapter where he goes through the elements of the deal so a lot of like the stories and anecdotes and stuff
[00:41:53] you know you can throw out but there's certain elements of his thinking and the thing you have to understand about Trump is he's a Queens man he is a guy from Queens who looking across at Manhattan was never in with that set of the Manhattan old money
[00:42:07] the old money Manhattanites Trump is a guy who always viewed himself outside of that and always sort of antagonistic to that elite wanting to be accepted by them but at the same time going a different way and he talks about how he was building a whole bunch of
[00:42:22] people and he talks about how he was building a whole bunch of he was building skyscrapers that all the old money blue bloods in New York were very thought you know Trump is flashy he's gaudy he's tasteless but he was he was beating them at their own game
[00:42:38] and it's very important him to do that so one of the ways he did that that he talks about was he was very good at spotting a property that he could turn into like a waterfront property that's run down that everyone thinks is worthless Trump gets it
[00:42:53] and then turns it around and builds something and he says that it's not the key thing with a deal with making a deal is not getting a high value property or a low value property the key thing is basically the profit you make on it
[00:43:06] so in other words you can get killed getting an expensive property that's in a great location if you pay too much for it the same way as you can get killed buying something in a lousy location you don't pay anything for it the key is to find
[00:43:17] something that can be turned around with hype with momentum with salesmanship with the ability to get a lot of money with momentum with salesmanship to take something and turn it around and that's politically what he did politically that's what he did and I think that's why
[00:43:34] and I think he knows he was doing it and I think that's in 2016 if you look in retrospect the reaction of the Republican elites and the Democrat elites it's basically because the Bush's and the Gore's of this world have a kind of unspoken gentleman's agreement
[00:43:49] that you don't go there you don't go where George Wallace went you don't frankly where Huey Long went and Father Coughlin but even where Pat Buchanan yes you don't go there because if you go there you unleash you open up this Pandora's box white resentment white lash
[00:44:10] white rural white rage that whole thing like we want white people to pay taxes we want them to serve in our military and go fight our overseas wars we want them to work all their lives to produce and keep the infrastructure going
[00:44:23] but we don't want to give them a voice those frustrated masses of people it's an easy way to get a lot of power quick if you give them a voice but now they're going to want more of that you know now they're they're not going to be content
[00:44:34] to be just like the horse that's doing the polling and getting beaten and I think that's the that's what Trump broke he broke that decorum and it fits with his personality and the way he did business in New York even he's a guy who breaks decorum for himself
[00:44:50] he will just go where no one else will break all the standards and the codes and get ahead that way and I think that's what he did in 2016 by appealing to that base and he learned it from his experience getting beaten by Papua Cana
[00:45:03] that's the million dollar question you just summed it up you answered my question in advance that's the million dollar question did all of this occur this era of Trumpianism from 2016 nearly a decade now it was all a result in your opinion and it's an opinion that I share
[00:45:18] and it's an opinion that Steve Karnacki from NBC News shares and all of these other people Ari Berman of the Atlantic all of these other journalists so called journalists share all of it as a result of Pat Buchanan do you agree? I mean obviously you do
[00:45:37] but I mean I absolutely do that's the point one other quote about it which was really great because they keep there was article after article about this but one of them you mentioned it's once been documented but it's once been documented but at the same time
[00:45:54] been under reported it has well because again the people writing about this are again like again a lot of Jews and people who are very like your real liberal media and minorities pro-black people are also over represented in the chattering classes now but they're not
[00:46:14] they're not the ones writing these articles Warren's got a beat on this these are cold like the kind of people that write for the Atlantic I mean there was an article actually just in the Atlantic this past April Ari Berman wrote in the Atlantic
[00:46:28] and the Atlantic is like your real I mean super globalist neo-liberal publication it used to be ultra WASPY back in the 50s and things like that and they've tried to take that over right and now it's ultra something else but they said the conservative not WASPY
[00:46:45] like George Washington like George Lincoln Rocko would say the Eskimos you know the one he was one of the boys the conservative who turned white anxiety into a movement and the subheading was Pap Buchanan made white Republicans fear becoming a racial minority Donald Trump is now
[00:46:59] reaping the benefits and it said that that you know basically Trump succeeded where Buchanan failed and partly because of how much the country has changed but that Steve Kornacki article this was the one last quote I wanted to read this is this amazing quote
[00:47:14] he wrote this thing in 2018 called when Trump ran against Trumpism and he said that the version of Trump who dipped his toe into the presidential ring almost two decades ago was a jarringly different man ideologically and he said here's what he wrote he said he wanted a wall
[00:47:32] along the entire southern border and a pause on all immigration he vowed to rip up trade deals and revive manufacturing he hated political correctness and warned of the decline of western culture he railed against the rig system and fomented a populist uprising that terrified the Republican party leaders
[00:47:49] he was endorsed by David Duke and he was denounced and labeled a racist by Donald Trump his name was Pap Buchanan and when he set out in 99 on his third presidential campaign of the decade under the banner of the Reform Party he encountered unexpected competition from Trump
[00:48:09] a bombastic New Yorker who turned the race for the reform nomination into an insult heavy pop culture spectacle in style and tactic this Trump was indistinguishable from the man the world knows today but on substance he was jarring a jarringly different man running against a worldview
[00:48:26] he would a few years later embrace and as you said Keith I don't think he actually really did embrace the view so much as he used it to power himself to the White House but it still is significant whether or not that's the point I made
[00:48:39] in the question and answer thing absolutely it doesn't matter whether Trump personally I personally believe Trump is a cynic and an opportunist I don't believe he really because he governed as a traditional Republican in many ways however he unleashed these forces for better or for worse
[00:48:56] I mean for better he unleashed these forces he was the agent of change that unleashed these forces and I don't think he was going back yes he let the cat out of the bag the genie out of the bottle the pandora's box whatever you want to say
[00:49:11] and I don't think we're going back to the politics of the 90s I just that's it when preparing the show I just did I rewatched the whole 1992 debate with Perot, Bush, H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton when he was first running I'd never watched the whole thing before
[00:49:28] because I was only 10 years old when that debate happened in 1992 and oh my God when you watch it these two are basically the same Bush and Clinton on immigration on foreign policy on trade they were indistinguishable Ross Perot was challenging them on those things somewhat
[00:49:47] but they were basically the same the whole establishment I think wants to go back to that world and they can't because of what we've just had people have gotten a taste of this they're not going to want to give it up like Thomas Wolf said
[00:50:01] the novelist from North Carolina you can't go home again but let me say this one of Pat Buchanan's famous sayings was go hunting where the ducks are that's right if Trump wants to cross the finish line and become the president again he basically needs to stop
[00:50:20] pandering to Jews stop pandering to blacks with the platinum plan and stuff like that and tailor his message to that disaffected white gentile majority in America that is his natural base if he does that I think that he can win again if he doesn't he's putting
[00:50:41] it's going to be a crapshoot again inadvertent is a word that I attach a lot to Donald Trump he has inadvertently done a lot of good and has moved our issues and our cause he has advanced our issues and our cause more than our collective ever could
[00:50:58] perhaps inadvertently but nevertheless he has still done it and Warren the point of this conversation this hour of talk radio tonight is to say that he did it because of lessons he learned losing to Pat Buchanan to a much lesser and insignificant extent
[00:51:15] to the people who were behind Buchanan people like us and that is something that I will forever ever be proud of who could have known then Warren I mean we were wanting Pat to make a show we were wanting Pat to win we were wanting Pat to
[00:51:29] at least if he couldn't win at least if he couldn't win build a lasting movement he did it but not in the ways we could have foreseen then but we were there and we were part of it and by God I am proud of it
[00:51:39] and we were right we were right about all the issues that's the big thing James is that we were right about all the issues we and everybody who supported Pat and the people who supported Perot to a lesser extent I think but we were all right
[00:51:52] I mean I was just reviewing Ross Perot talking about the giant sucking sound you know I joked with Emily I said on the show I said the giant sucking sound and she was like wait what? and I said yeah there's a Wikipedia entry on the giant sucking sound
[00:52:04] of all the jobs being shipped overseas when we passed NAFTA and Emily said oh well that's good she said I thought you meant that Ross Perot made a giant sucking sound I was like no no no he didn't but people don't remember that but on foreign policy
[00:52:22] overextended you know foreign wars wars for Israel I mean look at what's going on over there now on trade because Perot and then Buchanan also we're talking about you know we can't Perot said in that debate he said you can't take the manufacturer in World War II
[00:52:38] we could go from manufacturing cars to manufacturing planes or tanks but you can't go from manufacturing potato chips to manufacturing planes if you need to in a hurry right now we see that problem that the Zog is happening with Ukraine they can't manufacture enough munitions
[00:52:55] to keep this Jewish junta they got in Ukraine well funded they're overextended we see it with also immigration above all I mean back in 1999 who was talking about immigration just fringe groups fringe groups now it's gotten so much worse it's a full on invasion
[00:53:18] it's one of the largest invasions one migration one population into a new territory in human history probably over the last 25 years so we got to give ourselves credit we were right and everybody who supported Buchanan and everybody who was in our movement
[00:53:33] and that's why it pays to be on the you know you could say the right side of history even when you're a you know fringe and no one you're blacked out by the media or you're persecuted or whatever if you know the truth and you're onto it
[00:53:47] and you're sounding the alarm bell eventually you will be vindicated and for whatever that counts I mean obviously like I said in my speech we got to win and one other thing though there's something to be said about being there first even when it's the time
[00:54:00] to tell a half you well begun is half done he needs to nothing is more disheartening to his base than to have 5% of the black population vote for Trump and then when you get in spending 95% of your time trying to press this isn't even about him
[00:54:16] it's about the issues being winning well the thing is we want it to be about transforming America not getting lip service well what we are about is our issues being getting issues I get it I get it too but our issues are winning issues and that's the point
[00:54:34] Trump as you know now was transformed take it away from our bragging rights we were there hey check it out give ourselves a nice pat on the back and you're raining all over us Warren Baylock bottom politics on Odyssey thank you Warren