Point of View June 18, 2024 – Hour 2 : Millennial Round Table

[00:00:00] Tuesday afternoon where Jason Jimenez and I are going to continue our discussion on social media and the Surgeon General's newest solution for us and our children and our homes and our phones. You know, government always has the solution for what we need.

[00:00:41] But I did want to add that joining us this hour is Petrina Mosley. You know her well. She's a friend of our show. She is the founder and principal of PPM Consulting, but she's also a very accomplished speaker, author, advocate.

[00:00:54] I always say, Petrina, get this girl a bigger mic. I don't think you could have a big enough platform, and I certainly am grateful you're willing to share your gifts and talents with us today on Point of View. Thank you, Chelsea. I'm happy to be here.

[00:01:08] Well, as I mentioned, Petrina, we are discussing this article that came out. You can read about it on pointofview.net. It is a New York Times article, and it discussed that the Surgeon General of the United States wants to put a warning label on social media platforms.

[00:01:25] I thought this was an interesting solution to recommend because I would think that protecting the nation's youth and minors from predators online, sexually or violently explicit materials, things that they're exposed to that they shouldn't be exposed to could be done by actually regulating the social media platforms themselves.

[00:01:47] Now, of course, we've talked on this show about the First Amendment implications of that, which Jason raised last hour if you do want to go back and listen to it. But putting a social warning, essentially a label or an ad that would pop up to warn

[00:02:03] parents, he thought it would be a way to help educate parents on the detriments to mental health that social media is proving to have. We also discussed those statistics, but in case you didn't know, adolescents who spend

[00:02:17] more than three hours a day on social media are likely to double their depression and anxiety rates. And the study shows that youth are actually spending closer to five hours a day on social media, scrolling, getting notifications. Petrina, I wanted to just ask your take.

[00:02:34] I mean, go anywhere you want with this, obviously, but my specific question is what are better solutions than just a warning or an advertisement that pops up and warns us? I think social media has a duty and responsibility.

[00:02:50] We've even seen in the last few months their hearings where they were held into the oversight committee and did nothing about explicit material that they knew was happening, including AI-generated sexually explicit images or images of minors. These social media platforms are doing nothing about that.

[00:03:09] And of course, they don't have a First Amendment right to break the law like that. So I wanted to get your take, Petrina, on really all of this, but specifically what government role you foresee with your experience. Yeah, what a great question.

[00:03:25] And I'm so glad that this topic is being talked about from the point of view of harm that we know that these social media companies are having. I think a label is a great thing to do, but certainly it is not the end-all, be-all solution.

[00:03:43] Number one, what we need is definitely have enforcement of the law even on Internet service providers, Internet third-party platforms, anything on the World Wide Web. So anything you can get in trouble for in real life, you should be able to get in trouble for online.

[00:04:00] And one of the most rampant parts of pornography, right? I'm sorry, of the Internet right now is rampant pornography. And kids are getting access to it earlier and earlier because they're on social media platforms. And what does the court say? Well, it's protected under First Amendment.

[00:04:17] It is not. Technically, it still should meet the legal definition of obscenity, but unfortunately, the law is written to be applied to people who think reasonably about what obscenity is, so it's kind of subjective. So that's number one.

[00:04:34] And definitely the trafficking that is happening online, luring in children, the sexploitation, luring them to take inappropriate pictures of themselves and send them to who they think are friends, but it's really some creepy old guy in the basement who is trading and

[00:04:49] distributing child pornography, aka CSAM, child sexual abuse material. So there's a lot of legal work to do to protect children and hold these platforms accountable. Right now, we do have Twitter and other platforms who are hanging in the legal balance.

[00:05:06] And they're arguing they don't have any type of responsibility to protect people from trafficking and from pornography. So still more work to do. But I think at the end of the day, it all comes down to really good parenting and helping

[00:05:19] your kids establish real relationships in the real world, helping them to know what healthy relationships look like, what boundaries look like, and healthy self-esteem so that they don't fall prey to some of these internet traps that are happening with pornography

[00:05:31] and trafficking and just the exploitation that's wildly rampant on there. Well said, because as with everything, it starts at home. And Jason, I wanted to ask you this. We all here are millennials. I got my first cell phone when I could drive at 16.

[00:05:47] And it was not only a brick phone, it did not have internet access. And I was allowed maybe like 10 free texts a month. It was a beautiful time. I did read that our generation was the last generation who had a childhood, like a normal

[00:06:03] semblance of a childhood where we were playing outside. We had to come home by dinner time, didn't have access immediately to our parents all the time. You'd have to call your mom's secretary to get a hold of her dad during the day.

[00:06:16] And you only did that if you were really fighting over which Popsicle you wanted to steal from your sibling. We just lived in a day and age where we had a childhood where we weren't immediately,

[00:06:27] you know, I think even the forward facing camera, the invention of the selfie, things like that, the harms that studies are showing, the psychology of children constantly seeing photos of themselves and analyzing how they look and their bodies and their faces has

[00:06:41] led to body dysmorphia, has led to increases in plastic surgery, facial reconstructive surgery. They'll take in pictures and say, you know, make me look like this person. It's really detrimental. And so I don't have a perspective. My children are still under the age of eight.

[00:07:01] And so I don't really know, you know, if the pendulum is swinging back our direction. I think, you know, we know that we had a lost generation or two where they were giving cell phones way too early without knowing all these implications.

[00:07:14] But we know now, you know, I know for my children, they don't need cell phones and they don't need social media. I know it's harder the older they get. So there's no I'm not casting judgment.

[00:07:24] But what have you seen like these generational differences that have formed in your ministry, Jason? Yeah, well, when I was just listening, I just remember when my grandpa had a brick phone and I would be able to use his brick phone and I thought it was so cool.

[00:07:37] And then I got a pager, you know, when I was when I was a teenager. But yeah, I mean, it's amazing to see how fast we've come with technology. But I got four Gen Zers. I got two in college. They'll be graduating next year.

[00:07:49] And so one thing I just know from our home, first and foremost, as we're talking about this is we are the proper governance. And in my book, Parenting Gen Z, there's a I talked to in the last segment about a chapter on obsession.

[00:08:03] And one thing we're seeing in the ministry is that their parents who don't know how to enforce certain regulations, if you will, in the home. And so one of the first things is practically speaking to encourage people as we have these

[00:08:15] engagements is, yeah, how how old was your child when you gave them a smartphone or a device? What's the amount of time that you have given them to have on their screens? OK, so there has to be this type of agreement and enforcement.

[00:08:31] Number three, do you know what they're texting or what they're viewing? What kind of I want to hear more, Jason. We're going to go to a break. So we got one and two more when we get back from this short break. This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:01] I'm out speaking and taking questions. One question I assume I will be asked is, aren't you concerned about the possibility that we will soon have a central bank digital currency? Financial leaders in other countries are calling for the implementation of these CBDCs and

[00:09:17] concern Americans wonder if they are coming to this country. My first response is to mention that I have written about this and usually follow with an encouragement to do so again. Hence this commentary. My second response is to point to the upcoming election because President Biden signed an

[00:09:32] executive order encouraging the Federal Reserve to study the feasibility of digital currency. Former President Donald Trump is on record opposing CBDCs. Why should we be concerned? Well, with CBDCs, every transaction can be tracked by the government.

[00:09:47] The government and the Federal Reserve would know even more about you, your family, your clients and your charities. Although most critics fear we would lose our privacy, I fear a greater issue. CBDCs would make it easier for governments to freeze financial resources.

[00:10:01] The Canadian government prevented the protesting truckers from accessing their bank accounts, but that would make it much easier with CBDCs and they can be programmed. This would be used to prohibit people from buying certain goods or at least place a limit on how much they might purchase.

[00:10:17] Proponents believe CBDCs would give central banks the new opportunity for monetary policy. It would be easier, they say, to undertake helicopter drops of money, but also add that it would be possible to implement negative interest rates by shrinking balances in CBDC accounts.

[00:10:33] This is bureaucratic speak for taking money out of your account. In many ways, the election will determine the future of CBDCs. I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my point of view. For a free booklet on the biblical view on wokeness, go to viewpoints.info. That's viewpoints.info slash wokeness.

[00:10:59] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Well Jason was just giving us his practical tips for us as parents, really no matter how old our children are. For cell phone usage, we know the impacts that it's having on our health.

[00:11:16] So Jason, go ahead and continue to give us your list of just practical things that we as parents can do to help our kids in a social media and high-tech world that we live in. Yeah, I appreciate that Chelsea.

[00:11:28] Again, as we're talking about the government getting involved, that's always a scary thing. So one of the things that we're finding is that parents don't actually enforce practical steps. Again, because they either cowered towards it where they give into the pressure of their

[00:11:42] child or because other parents do certain things for their kids' friends, they think they have to do the same. And so one thing just to share with parents is God has placed you as the authority in your child's life. Okay, so you're the one that is the disciplinary.

[00:11:56] And I know that in the current generation of parenting today that they don't like that necessarily because they try to be their friend and they try to reason with their child. But this is actually something that's very healthy for your child.

[00:12:08] And so when you're going through these series of questions like how old were they when you gave them a cell phone and why? Did you set time limits per day? That's important. Do you know what they're viewing? Do you have discussions with them about those type of things?

[00:12:21] Do they know that they can come to you if in fact something popped up? We had that years ago with our youngest who's now in eighth grade. Something had popped up when she was doing the schoolwork and she got very overwhelmed by it.

[00:12:34] But she, and praise God, and we were very proud of her, she came to us, she felt guilty that she saw something that was a bit inappropriate. But again, it was a thing that got through the filters and it was a way to get her to

[00:12:45] click on it, you know, and expose her to some things that would have probably been very harmful for her at her age. So one thing is if they do view something that's controversial or maybe upsetting, do they feel comfortable enough that they can talk to you?

[00:13:01] Another thing is what type of apps are they using and have you permitted them to use that? We know most social media stuff you have to be 13, but most people who are under 13, they're able to bypass that.

[00:13:11] And again, if your child is exposed to something like porn, like some graphic images, you know, how do you work through that with them to help support them as they're developing and growing and of course when they're very curious, how can you come alongside them?

[00:13:26] And the other thing is just when it comes to screen usage, you know, making sure that you are constantly following the restrictions and providing the proper content filters to protect your children. I do believe the more parents and grandparents help this generation do that, I think that

[00:13:43] you will see again as you were alluding to Chelsea, those numbers would go down when it comes to mental illness issues or feeling alone or feeling abandoned or FOMA or, you know, not liking their image.

[00:13:55] All those things would be less if parents took more of a proactive approach to protecting their kids with the type of stuff they watch on their screens. Well said. So much wisdom in your words.

[00:14:08] Petrina, I'll ask in this conversation with you, any last points that you want to add to what Jason just said? Well, I'm not sure if Petrina is still with us, but I think we're going to end on that note, Jason, because it was strong words of wisdom.

[00:14:24] I'm taking notes over here as a young parent of young kids myself. I want to turn now to another additional topic. It is after all the week after Father's Day. So happy Father's Day, Jason, and to all of you listening who are fathers.

[00:14:39] You know, the world really doesn't go round without you. We all need you in our lives as such a source of stability and love and strength. I know that I'm so grateful to my husband, who's an incredible father to my three boys. You heard that right.

[00:14:53] I have three completely feral boys and they're amazing and pick me flowers every day. They're absolutely sweet. But they certainly are strong and they're different creatures than I as I was raised with one sister.

[00:15:09] You know, this whole new world of boyhood is different very much than my girlhood was. But I'm saying all of this to introduce our next article, which is entitled, If We Want to End Abortion, We Need Strong Fathers.

[00:15:23] And it is drafted, I'm going to be very biased in my coverage of this article, I'm telling you now, because it's drafted by the president of my organization, Jeff Bradford of Human Coalition. And if you don't know, Human Coalition is the largest pro-life organization in the country

[00:15:40] serving pregnant women seeking abortion. And we do that online first because abortion has moved online. We'll talk a little bit about how that has happened over the last few years in our next topic. But for now, we're reaching women online where she's searching for either the abortion pill

[00:15:57] or clinic near me. She goes on her phone, I'm pregnant, I need help. And we're there and we reach her there on her terms and she's immediately in touch with a licensed nurse and social worker helping her walk through that decision.

[00:16:10] But really the power of this article comes from Jeff's personal story. And it's a devastating story where he and his fiance were pregnant and his own father, who was a believer, encouraged them to abort their first child.

[00:16:29] And they ended up taking what he would say, that terrible advice that came from what was trying to be a loving place. And they did end up ending the life of their baby girl, their first daughter. He has a powerful testimony.

[00:16:43] He's written a book that is coming out right now, Beauty From Ashes, about their testimony and how God redeems all things. And if you're listening and this is a part of your story, whether you encouraged someone

[00:16:54] to get an abortion, you yourself had one, or you were a partner or a father to a child who was aborted, his story is one of redemption and one of hope and one of grace and forgiveness. And so I want you to hear that.

[00:17:06] But he talks about here, Jason, the importance of fathers in this decision making and what a difference it would make in the world we live in if women who got pregnant felt supported by the fathers of their unborn children or their own fathers.

[00:17:21] And so I just wanted to get your take, Jason, in the next few minutes before break on this article and his story and the importance that fathers play in this issue. Yeah, I mean, this is huge.

[00:17:33] I mean, this is definitely, I mean, you have three boys, I have four kids, you know, and we see the value and the blessing that children are to each one of us. And so, as you said, Chelsea, there's no doubt that there are going to be people who

[00:17:47] are listening that are post-abortive. And this has been something in our ministry we've partnered, I'm sure you guys know, like the Benham brothers, you know, David and Jason Benham, their father, Flip Benham, you know,

[00:17:58] supporting even Love Life, Human Coalition, what you guys are doing, trying to get more crisis pregnancy centers involved in local churches. This is important. Now, having said all that, yes, if in fact men were being responsible to care, to protect,

[00:18:15] shelter and lead their wives or their fiances or girlfriends or whatever the case may be. Like you said, sometimes it is a father figure who's telling his younger son or his daughter or I've been at the abortion clinics.

[00:18:28] This has been something Chelsea we've done for years in our pastoral work and also even in apologetics where we go out there to love on these people, to have them come to the sidewalk and try to engage and get them an ultrasound, try to do whatever possible that

[00:18:43] we can do within love and within reason to get them to reconsider aborting their child. And I will tell you this, and I've seen this time and time again, the vast majority of the time there is a male presence and that male presence is very defensive.

[00:19:00] And many times we've even seen them leading the young girl into an abortion clinic. So every time my wife and I found out that we're going to have a child, not once, not once was there ever an idea, well, we're not ready.

[00:19:16] We can't afford this child or I'm not ready to be a father or I have these dreams and these aspirations to accomplish whatever before I start entering fatherhood. Never once, nor did you or your husband.

[00:19:29] So one of the things you have to understand is that there is a breakdown that is taking place, a level of selfishness. And this actually goes back to something that I refer to in one of my books, Challenging Conversations, where I address this chapter on abortion.

[00:19:42] And there is a subtitle in there, Chelsea, that I call the manipulation of elitist men. If you actually go back in the history of abortion in America, starting with a guy named William Robinson, this is in 1916.

[00:19:57] And Robinson was elevating this notion that abortions were unsafe, that they're in. Why? Why are they illegal when it was actually a good for women? Now, we can go into all the other history, but the point is that where we are today is

[00:20:15] because of a lack of fathers and men that have taken the charge to protect women in the life of the unborn. So this is definitely something that all of us listening have to rein in and say, how

[00:20:26] can we support more families and also come alongside people who are contemplating for whatever reason? But especially young men who are scared. And that's where men like us that I can honestly say, and I'm pleading with people listening, we are here to love you and care for you.

[00:20:45] You're not to make this decision alone. There are people and organizations out there who will come alongside you and provide what you need, even adoption. I mean, that is always a great choice in all of this.

[00:20:57] You feel like you're not ready and you and your girlfriend or whoever, whatever relationship you might find yourself in, feel that you guys cannot parent that child that's in the womb. There's a couple that is ready and willing to take that child and to love them.

[00:21:13] So true, Jason, that's really the mantra of the pro-life movement is care and support and resources. We're going to get more on this topic, especially from Pachino when we get back after this short break.

[00:21:31] It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority. They say men can be women and women, men, people are prosecuted differently or not at all, depending on their politics. Criminals are more valued and rewarded than law abiding citizens.

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[00:23:02] The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station. And now here again, Chelsea Yeoman. Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable where we are discussing the

[00:23:18] important roles that fathers play, not really in just in our lives day to day and in our entire society, but specifically in the context of ending abortion. And there was a very powerful op-ed that the president of my organization, Jeff Bradford, on behalf of Human Coalition wrote.

[00:23:36] And it's a personal story. And you can read that on PointofView.net as well as any of our other topics from today. But Trina, I wanted to give you a chance to give us your input on this because I think it is the story.

[00:23:48] If we look at statistics in America on abortion, you know, the truth is that nearly half of Americans, 40 percent of Americans have had an abortion, which means of women, which means 40 percent of men in America statistically would have been fathers if not for abortion.

[00:24:09] I don't think it gets spoken about enough. I think there's a lot of stigma with men speaking on this topic, whether it's being told that they don't get an input, they don't get a voice. When we know behind closed doors, which Jason alluded to, that 64 percent of

[00:24:22] women who have an abortion say they felt pressured by their partner or someone else in their life to have one. Often that is the father of the child. So, Petrina, the importance of men in this context and in this conversation both

[00:24:38] to stand up and say, I want to be a father. I'll do whatever it takes to support my partner in her pregnancy, whether that's marrying her, making sure she has food on the table, being an engaged father. That's certainly something we need to see more of culturally.

[00:24:55] So, Petrina, I'd love to get your voice on this. Yeah, those are powerful statistics. And you're right, it's not a subject matter that's talked a lot about. But what we can see is that abortion definitely divides men and women. It divides manhood and womanhood.

[00:25:14] And just as abortion can't undo the fact that a woman was ever a mother, it can't undo the fact that a man was ever a father. So, you know, what we do have is some testimonies that have been included in research that has shown us men feel helpless.

[00:25:32] They feel guilty when they're being told this is only a woman's decision. They have no say. They can't protect the girl. They can't protect the life of their child, their seed. And then, like you mentioned as well, there are those who push women into

[00:25:47] abortion because they don't want to take responsibility. And more often than not, it's a pattern that's been repeated. They grew up maybe in a home of fatherlessness and they didn't see responsibility taken. They didn't see manhood, biblical manhood.

[00:26:02] And so abortion really divides that and steals that away from men. And I think it's something that needs to be talked about more. And I'm so glad that Jeff took the time to be very vulnerable and write the

[00:26:13] story out and share it with others, because as they're saying right now, 2024 is the age of truth, is the age of the reveal. And if it hasn't been said, this is the year to say it. And so men have a very, very important role in protecting women and

[00:26:29] protecting their child. And even with the American Gynecologists Association, they said that it's best practice to screen women for domestic violence because homicide is the number one killer of pregnant women. So, I mean, that tells us a lot about women and their predicaments, but it

[00:26:48] also tells us a lot about manhood. The person who's supposed to protect you and put his life on the line for you, there's a deficit there. So I'm thankful for people like Jason and his ministry and Human Coalition that

[00:27:03] reach out to both the mom and the father, because there is a lot of discipleship to be happening, not just for women, but for fathers, for men as well. Well said. And if you're listening today and wondering how you can engage for your

[00:27:18] family, for a friend or in your church and community on this issue, I think a good place to start is at church. Is discipling on this issue. Standforlife.com has curriculums, but also just to be aware that this isn't

[00:27:35] something that happens outside of the church, as Jeff talked about in this story and in his book that's about to come out that is entitled Beauty from Ashes by Jeff Bradford. You know, he discusses this idea that he had Christian parents and his now wife,

[00:27:50] Tricia, who had this abortion, she had Christian parents. But at the end of the day, it is an issue inside our churches, our homes and our families. And so to know that you're not alone, there are resources.

[00:28:02] You can even contact us at humancoalition.org where we can get a social worker, a nurse, a professional engaged immediately to advocate for you or your loved one's behalf and for the life of these innocent children, certainly. So go to humancoalition.org to get support there.

[00:28:20] But I'll end on this note, and it is one of hope. You know, Jeff and his wife went on to have four beautiful children, and this is a part of their story. It's something that they grieve to this day. He cannot talk about it without crying.

[00:28:34] But there is healing to be had, I think, in dealing with our past, right? There is healing. God can truly move. There's forgiveness and grace and hope to be had as his book really talks about.

[00:28:48] And so if it is a part of your story, there are also local resources you can engage to heal from maybe this issue. Patrina and Jason, I was going to turn now to discuss our last little segment on

[00:29:02] abortion news, and that is there was an important case that came out this week. If you did not hear, it's probably what I would say the most significant abortion case of the Supreme Court since Roe was overturned two years ago. I can't believe it's already been two years.

[00:29:17] But in that two years as context, what we've seen is abortion by male. There is a two-pill regimen. It's mifepristone and misopristol. The first pill cuts off needed hormones for the baby, so the baby quits developing and dies essentially, not getting the nutrients it needs.

[00:29:36] And then the second pill in the abortion pill regimen is taken within 72 hours and induces her contractions and an abortion. It is a violent process. It's a terrible process. And it's happening all alone for her at her house because she no longer has to

[00:29:51] leave her house to have access to these drugs. And part of the reason is thanks to the FDA, who said under the Biden administration that they can mail these drugs even into states where life is protected. We're seeing – we've identified, I think, at Human Coalition at least 30

[00:30:07] pharmacies and doctors who will – or sometimes not even either, no licensed professional whatsoever mailing these drugs into states. So it truly is the Wild West. And the Supreme Court held they threw out a case that challenged the FDA's removal of these safety protocols.

[00:30:23] We have a few minutes, Jason. Did you know about this case? Does this surprise you? Is this something that you already were aware of? I find that a lot of people don't know that this is the abortion landscape now.

[00:30:33] No, and again, we're so thankful for what you guys are touching on, Chelsea, because yes, our ministry is well aware of these type of issues and that this was going before the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, we actually did a survey just a few weeks ago and not many

[00:30:50] people that we surveyed that profess to be Christian, that are very engaged weekly churchgoers, Bible-believing people, pro-life knew about this. And this is interesting because you're right. This is how the left finds ways to continue abortion.

[00:31:06] And the thing that I just want to say is that this is a very dangerous medicine to be put into the hands of many people across the board, given the severity of what this thing will do when you're talking about the two medicine

[00:31:20] regimen to basically, you know, medication blocks hormone progesterone, right? And it pushes the pregnancy and softens the cervix and the bleeding that is induced as a result of this. This is going to be a very dangerous thing.

[00:31:34] One, we're looking to protect the life in the womb, but also the life of the woman who's taking this medicine. And so I do believe the church needs to be aware of this and the damage. Unfortunately, FDA, what they did because there are signs of how dangerous this

[00:31:50] medicine could be with hemorrhaging, with infections, not to mention psychological effects this can have afterwards. And so we have to be ready to respond as this is going to be issued in more states. Yes, I think that's an important note that you said because I would be

[00:32:07] interested in seeing your polling as well, Jason, because I'm starting to realize that too. I was at the Turning Point conference and every single person who stopped at our booth was unaware that this is the abortion landscape that we find ourselves in.

[00:32:21] And it shouldn't surprise us in a telemedicine world with virtual appointments and virtual doctors, there's really in many states now no such thing as even abortion sidewalk or an abortion clinic. Where to meet these women is online. It's where they're at. They're going on their phones.

[00:32:38] We don't know who they're talking to. You know, we've seen women who had pills from eBay. They're buying pills on Facebook Marketplace. I mean, they're truly everywhere. And the FDA is propping up this abortion industry by saying, well, we don't require in-person distribution.

[00:32:55] So you don't even have to see a doctor. They don't require follow-up care to ensure that the woman is okay after taking these drugs. And even by the FDA's own statistics, one in five of these or I'm sorry, one

[00:33:07] in 25 of these women will end up in the ER. Well, to put some more statistics on that, over a million women got abortions last year alone and 65% of them, so 650,000 of them were by the abortion pill. That's an astronomically high amount of children.

[00:33:27] That's an astronomically high amount of women who are going to the ER. And these numbers should motivate us to engage on this issue. Don't go anywhere. More when we get back after this break. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:34:02] Well, welcome back to our last few minutes of the Millennial Roundtable. Don't forget to go to pointofview.net where you can read all of our topics or the last hour we had Richard Lim with us as well as Jason Jimenez and we

[00:34:15] discussed all sorts of political topics, including President Trump. What is the Democrat Party going to do with President Biden? All of the questions we have. And then this last hour, we've been talking about some abortion news as well as news on social media coming out of D.C.

[00:34:32] So don't forget to go to pointofview.net or like us on Point of View Radio on Facebook, Point of View Radio comments. We love to hear from you. We're rounding out our discussion now with talking about the most recent abortion case from the Supreme Court.

[00:34:47] It's a big case that came out this week and a unanimous one, unfortunately, for the pro-life movement and for children across America because we just discussed the FDA rolled back all semblance of safety protocols over distributing abortion pills.

[00:35:02] They now allow it by mail, not even by a physician, no in-person visits required for the woman. All sorts of really dangerous things for women. And what's happened is an uptick in emergency room visits, which is predictable instead of the FDA doing its duty to protect Americans from

[00:35:20] an unhealthy system or prescriptions. They're instead making it more widely accessible. And, Patrina, not only is the danger in that very obvious, you know, I looked it up and the FDA has removed pills from the marketplace for far

[00:35:35] less, for rashes, let alone women, you know, side effects like hemorrhaging, sepsis from incomplete abortions, death, all sorts of things. So, Patrina, when the Supreme Court ultimately threw this case out this week, they said that the challengers to the FDA didn't have standing.

[00:35:50] It legally means on a technicality it wasn't the right people to bring the case. The pro-life doctors didn't have standing. That's not to say anyone else cannot bring the case forward. Were you anticipating? Have you been following this case?

[00:36:04] What are your thoughts on the decision that was rendered this week? Yeah, I've been following this case. And I made the argument that I don't know who has better standing other than obstetrician and gynecologists who service women every day all the time

[00:36:20] who have to deal with these medical death pills and their infections and their hemorrhaging and all the complication that comes with this black box warning death pill. That's what I'm going to call it. So I don't know who has better standing than them other than the victims themselves.

[00:36:38] But they can't speak. That's the life of a child. So the next best thing is the doctors and the women. So, yeah, I mean, just as I mentioned in the last segment that homicide is the leading cause of death for pregnant women.

[00:36:52] So now with unfeathered access to the death pill, you have abusers who can look up pills online, order it in the mail, put it in her drink, put it in her food and quote unquote get rid of their problem.

[00:37:07] And really what that does is put her in a really, really unsafe predicament, an unpredictable predicament because everybody's body is unique. You don't know what exactly is going to happen. But you know, really bad stuff is likely to happen.

[00:37:19] You also know which bad thing is going to happen to you, such as hemorrhaging and infection and incomplete abortion. Sometimes they don't even know. So the abusers themselves keep poisoning her and giving her an overdosage of the abortion pill. And we already have reports of this.

[00:37:35] So this is not something that health care providers aren't aware of. This isn't something that the FDA and all the other medical items of government don't already know. They know this. I mean, if anything, this should just show us what a quack the FDA is.

[00:37:51] It is not credible whatsoever. It is highly political. But I do have confidence and I do have optimism that this fight isn't over. Because regardless of people who are in superior positions, care about life or not, we do care about the almighty dollar.

[00:38:10] That's what America is ultimately about. And I have every confidence that the case won't stop here with highly reputable doctors who took on this case. But it will go to the women themselves who will likely sue the pans off of FDA, Danco.

[00:38:27] And it will be the greatest pharmaceutical scandal known to man. So I do think there's time for that. And it's only a matter of time. And so I'm very hopeful that this is not the end.

[00:38:37] But greater things are going to come as there are more women who are harmed who will speak up. You know, that's really what I wanted to really hone in on about your comments, Petrina,

[00:38:47] is what you said there at the end is what this will take is women coming forward. And that's unfortunately difficult because if you think of the average woman having an abortion, she's in a situation circumstances that are very challenging. Sometimes she's homeless. Sometimes she's unemployed.

[00:39:03] She does not have a support system in place. These are the average things we're seeing as we serve nearly 50,000 women a year seeking abortion. They're real problems. And oftentimes they're embarrassed. They're ashamed. They can't even get a hold of doctors for follow-up care afterwards if they are harmed.

[00:39:21] So they kind of fade out into the distance alone. And, you know, I do agree with you what it will take is women coming forward. And I think I wanted to add to your comments because it's really for me the crux of the case,

[00:39:35] which, of course, the Supreme Court didn't get to the merits. But I did attend these oral arguments. I spoke at a rally before this, the oral arguments two months ago. And Justice Roberts said, how many is enough, FDA? I mean, he asked him point blank.

[00:39:50] Like how and Justice Barrett said this as well. How is hemorrhaging not rising to the level of needing to relook at your approval of these drugs, which was fast-tracked, by the way.

[00:40:00] That's the real crux of the case is the way they even approve these drugs in the first place. It is daunting. But Jason, in our last few minutes, I do want to turn to you and just say

[00:40:10] if our listeners are hearing this, and it is an overwhelming thing to think what you're up against. Think of the fentanyl crisis, the opioid crisis. We're now in a world where abortion drugs on demand. We're dealing with drug distributors, illicit substance distributors. Women are being harmed.

[00:40:26] Children are being killed. It is something that the pro-life movement is up against. It seems like a mammoth of a problem. But it's not without hope, is it, Jason? We do have a pro-life movement who is there, boots on the ground, trying to reach these

[00:40:42] women before they reach the drugs. It's a movement founded on compassion and love and resources. If you have any ideas on that front in your final few minutes or on this topic at all, I would love to hear them, Jason.

[00:40:54] Well, one, I appreciate you ladies, what you guys shared and just the heart's desire that we have to not only propagate the gospel but to come alongside people, especially in their darkest hour.

[00:41:05] One of the things that we see that is a fear in one sense is because of this regulation now and the affordability for somebody to access these pills in their mail. When we're outside the abortion clinic, obviously they're there for the abortion.

[00:41:19] But if someone's receiving these medications in the mail to then induce themselves with them in their home, many times by themselves, I think this is why we're having this discussion because then these are challenging conversations we need to have within our homes, within our churches.

[00:41:35] I encourage pastors listening for them to set aside time to engage their congregation on these things from the pulpit into their classrooms, discipleship classrooms. I encourage them to bring in the Home of Human Coalition with people like you, Chelsea, and

[00:41:50] others and Jeff to not only help educate their congregation on these matters but to even start providing town hall meetings for people to have these type of discussions. And through that, you're going to find on average over a third to even half, depending

[00:42:05] on the district and the zip code, people who have been directly affected by abortion who need help, need counseling. And that's where we need to be better trained to help people through this. So educate them before these pills are becoming accessed by minors but also people who are

[00:42:25] post-abortive that we need to start having more opportunity in our ministries across the globe to minister and come alongside people who are hurting, who have gone through a lot of this tragedy. That is so vitally important. I cannot stress that enough.

[00:42:39] So many times people say, I'm afraid to speak up because I feel ashamed. We need to, in the grace of Jesus Christ, come alongside them and comfort them and shepherd them. It does. And Jason, we need to be praying as a nation. We pray for our nation.

[00:42:52] We pray for our leaders. We care a lot about politics. But at the end of the day, this should be forefront on our minds. Jason, thank you for being with us today. Stan Strong Ministries, Petrina Mosley with PPM Consulting. Thank you for sharing your time with us today.

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