Point of View June 11, 2024 – Hour 2 : The Millennial Round Table

[00:00:00] Roundtable, today we've got a great lineup for you, starting with Holly Randall. You know her as Associate Counsel at First Liberty Institute. Thanks again for being with us, Holly. Of course, happy to be here.

[00:00:34] Yes, and Liberty McCarter, she is a writer for Point of View and a podcast host for the Know Why podcast. Liberty, thanks for continuing on with us this hour. Yeah, enjoying it. Me too, and joining us is Petrina Mosley.

[00:00:48] She's a speaker, author, advocate, and founder of PPM Consulting. It's good to have you back, Petrina. Hi, thanks for having me on. Good to be here. Yes, well don't forget to go back to the last hour where we talked about everything from

[00:01:01] Chinese robots and AI to President Trump's potential vice presidential pick. So go back to pointofview.net where you can watch or read any of those articles and more. We're really continuing on right now, though, with this conversation about a historic shift in a major demographic of American voters.

[00:01:21] Among black voters, for the first time in almost 60 years, it's the highest percentage of voters that are defecting from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party based on recent polling. So we wanted to continue this discussion on, you know, we just talked a little bit about

[00:01:36] this idea of why. Why are we seeing this surge right now in this moment? And even compared to 2020 where he had historic demographic of minority and black voters in 2020, his numbers have doubled since then up to 22%.

[00:01:54] One statistic I like to put out there I think is really informative to me. I heard from a political consultant that if an average Republican candidate could get the black vote between 15 and 17%, he can flip a district, which is, of course, low overall.

[00:02:10] 15 to 17% of any demographic means you have some work to do with that demographic to win them over. But the fact that President Trump's rate is up to 22% is indicative nationwide of how much support he has, but also how terrible of a job the Democrat Party is doing, even

[00:02:28] keeping their own traditional voting blocs happy with their policies. Richard mentioned the economy, the employment rate. At the end of the day, many, many voters care first and foremost about how much they're spending at the grocery stores and on gas, inflation, and housing.

[00:02:45] Cost of living is so egregiously high for really any voter right now. I'm surprised there's not more demographics shifting, although we'll see in November. So I wanted to start with you, Patrina. You're joining us this hour. What did you think about this article?

[00:02:59] I'd love to get your insight. Well, it's definitely true. I mean, Trump continues to turn out more black votes under the Republican ticket than any other candidate has. And that's quite an achievement, especially coming after eight years of having a half-black

[00:03:17] president to have a waft of black voters suddenly start voting Republican. But what's important to remember is that these are votes for him, not necessarily for the Republican Party. So there's still a lot of work to do for Christian conservative apologetics and not just

[00:03:35] populism with the MAGA train that is here today, and we don't know where it will be tomorrow. So that's number one. Number two, we see that they have better jobs. Right now you go to any community where there's lawn work being done, where there's

[00:03:53] home servicing being done, any type of domestic services being done is now being done by non-Americans. I can vividly remember under the Trump administration, construction workers, lawn care workers, all those things were Americans. And that's a problem.

[00:04:09] That means that there are Americans who aren't working as black Americans whose jobs are not available right now. And that's a problem. So you're going to see them continue to come out.

[00:04:17] And then lastly, I would say it's not a surprise to see blacks continue to turn out for Trump is that they've always known the government to be unfair. We've always known that the system is rigged against you.

[00:04:27] And to see a white millionaire get the type of treatment that we're accustomed to, it's like, well, okay, well, if they're going to do it to him, they've already done it to me. They're getting away with it with him. They're definitely coming after me.

[00:04:42] And so there's a shared mistrust of the government knowing that it has a way of being crooked and corrupt. So we're going to turn out even more for this white millionaire who we want to see defy the system. That's a really interesting point.

[00:04:58] I also heard that last week, it's something I never would have thought of. But this idea of a kinship to someone who really is up against a mammoth of a system, to be honest, I mean, the entire world is out to get Trump.

[00:05:11] I saw videos of celebrities crying like their lives would physically be ended if Trump wins. And they weren't saying vote for President Biden. They weren't saying vote for what the other party has to stand for or a vision or future.

[00:05:28] I mean, really what the Democrats are running on is not that guy. And that's interesting you say that. Liberty, I wanted to get your thoughts on this topic as well. You know, these are significant polling shifts we're seeing.

[00:05:41] I do think Petrina is onto something, though, when she says that the Republican Party has a lot of work to do to outreach into communities. They don't traditionally engage with, you know, first of my mind comes to black churches

[00:05:55] or minority churches, Latino churches who might even socially align with more conservative issues that are traditionally neglected by campaign trails. What are your thoughts on that, Liberty? Yeah, I think Petrina made an excellent point. You know, we talk a lot about Democrats taking minority votes for granted.

[00:06:14] But if we start seeing polling or even results of minority voters swinging over to the Republican Party, Republicans can't take that for granted either, because, yes, things like economic concerns, you know, those really do have a lot of weight in determining,

[00:06:30] you know, how people are going to vote. But people also care about the cultural issues. They care about other things that impact their lives. So that's why I was glad to see that you have potential picks like Tim Scott or Ben

[00:06:43] Carson that Trump, you know, the Trump team is vetting right now, because I do think that there is more outreach that can be done. Something that comes to mind is even on the pro-life issue.

[00:06:55] And so back on the Know Why podcast last year, we did a series on pro-lifers, which you were a part of, Chelsea. But one of the people I interviewed was Sherrilyn Holloway, who does a lot of just

[00:07:05] really great work on the pro-life movement, specifically with black Americans and in minority communities. And she just did such a great job of talking about how there could be this partnership here when we're talking about, you know, issues that do matter to conservatives.

[00:07:21] But they also matter to communities that we don't typically reach out to. And so I think that we definitely have some work to do in that regard. You do. And Holly, you know, one thing I was thinking of while they were talking is we do have four years.

[00:07:38] I shouldn't say we. Anyone who were to win has four years to show the American people why their party and their policies are best for Americans. So every four years we get this opportunity. And what we're seeing is a response to President Biden's failure of policies for the

[00:07:58] American people. They feel it and they're ready to make a dramatic and historic shift because of it. But the same is true for if President Trump were to win in the next four years, he has the opportunity with while he's a very personality driven candidate over

[00:08:14] a party, I would say to make converts maybe more permanent of these these different voting blocs who are shifting his direction. Holly, do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I think this is a unique circumstance where we have two people running for

[00:08:27] president that both had a four year tryout essentially before the American people. And so we're operating from experience where we can say in the voting booth which set of four years was better for me and my family. Well said. Don't go anywhere.

[00:08:41] We'll be back in just a minute. This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. Victor Davis Hansen recently wrote about the leftist mind, and that got my attention since I've recently written a booklet on the liberal mind. My goal was to describe the foundational assumptions of a liberal mindset.

[00:09:16] Hansen instead reminded us of how leftists supported the electoral college and every decision from the Supreme Court until recently. A decade ago, Democrats loved the electoral college. The blue wall states made the election and reelection of Barack Obama possible. Then the wall crumbled in the 2016 election to Trump.

[00:09:34] And now they condemn the electoral college as a relic of our anti-democratic founders. Leftists love the Supreme Court decisions on abortion, school prayer, same sex marriage, pornography and Miranda rights. The left cheered the court as it made the law and ignored legislatures and presidents.

[00:09:49] They welcome justice as appointed by Republican presidents who drifted leftward and provided the needed votes on affirmative action to Roe versus Wade to Obamacare. What was the response? Was there any serious right wing talk of packing the court with six additional

[00:10:02] justices to slow down this overreaching left wing majority or of a mob massing at the home of a left wing justice? Certainly not. But now that there is a narrow majority of originalist justices on the court, the once beloved court is being slandered by leftist insurrectionists as

[00:10:19] illegitimate. Every sort of once unthinkable attack on the court is now permissible. So if you're looking for any consistency, you will not find it. Each of these examples illustrates the end justifies the means perspective of the

[00:10:32] leftist mind. And that's why it is difficult to take many of these current arguments seriously. I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view. Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting Point of View dot net. That's Point of View dot net.

[00:10:56] You're listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth. Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we are discussing really a unique opportunity that President Trump has through a whole host of economic, political

[00:11:13] and social, the culmination of events to really make what I would hope would be converts out of historic voting blocs among black voters who are he's a very famous he's doubled their support in the last four years.

[00:11:29] And what are some things that the Republican Party could do to make these voters stay and really, really convert to some of the conservative ideals that the Republican Party has? You know, we talked a little bit in the last segment, Patrina, about this idea that

[00:11:46] even among evangelicals, while maybe black voters are defecting from the Democrat Party in the polling, at least we'll see in November to the Republican Party or Donald Trump, as you mentioned, which is maybe sometimes separate from the Republican Party.

[00:12:01] At the same token, the evangelical voting bloc is a little bit demobilized. And that is because they are highly socially conservative. You know, they're voting on their biblical values and they're voting because of things

[00:12:13] that perhaps President Trump doesn't adhere to or is now publicly saying on the life issue, for example, that he no longer cares about about working towards those same goals as the evangelical voting bloc. So I wanted to get your take on that, Patrina.

[00:12:29] Are there ways that you think even practically not just these campaigns, but we as society could could coalesce among maybe we all have different backgrounds and different different things that are priorities, that how could there be a unity message here for all these voting blocs? Yeah, great question.

[00:12:47] I think the one uniting issue could be the issue of marriage. When we talked about how there's a swath of uptick in black votes for Trump, that's particularly black male vote. And that's because under a Trump economy, they had more money in their pocket and they

[00:13:04] had better job opportunities and employment. And so that's important. And I do want to make the point that is not to say that, well, all the jobs that illegals are doing, black men should be doing. That's not the point I wanted to convey.

[00:13:18] The point is that non-college educated men who are mostly black in this country get these types of jobs and excel and then later on create businesses. But the point there is that they want these jobs so that they can build families, because

[00:13:34] right now we have African-American women who are excelling almost at the same rate as white males at the salaries right now in this country. But yet they're not married. They're not. They're single. They're not marrying at all.

[00:13:47] So these black men and other non-college educated males in this country want access to better employment, two star families. And we can do that by incentivizing marriage. We can do that by kind of replicating some of the great policies that's been put in

[00:14:04] place in the country of Hungary. There's tax credit. There's incentives to get off welfare. That you could do tomorrow. And then, you know, that's something that brings together not only this new voting bloc that's coming in towards Trump, but also evangelicals as well, which we deeply

[00:14:18] hold strong connections to marriage. And I think for evangelicals right now, though they feel like they have a loose tether to Trump because we don't quite know what his policy agenda will be.

[00:14:30] We have to continue to stand our ground and figure out and put pressure on the Trump administration and his campaign to hold fast to the values of 2016. Those policy standards of 2016 still work for 2025. And I hope that we get the Trump of 2016 and not a Romney Trump.

[00:14:49] And that will be up to him, but it will also be a very telling for how we support him, depending on which way he goes. I love that you said a Romney Trump because I can't think of a better way to say, you

[00:15:04] know, in his efforts to reach new voting blocs and new, I would say even median voters. Right. So it's not just black voters or Latino voters. It's also suburban women. Much has been made of the suburban white woman vote in this country.

[00:15:19] I refer to her often as the woke white girl, and I can because she is most often my friend. I know a lot of white suburban women who are very, very empathetic to the causes that are out there.

[00:15:33] The Me Too movement causes, Believe All Women causes, the BLM, the Defund the Police. I mean, these are causes that, you know, women, even LGBT cause, even in their local schools. Now they're waking up a little bit here and showing up to their school board

[00:15:47] meetings mad about it. But they ushered it in with all of this empathy towards, you know, marginalized people groups and wanting to make sure everything's fair in the world. One thing I heard from even one of these friends recently, I was talking about the

[00:16:03] fires in Hawaii, actually, of all things and the fact that so many people lost their land. But they were the locals who lost their their houses. And she said, well, you have to be careful if you're talking.

[00:16:14] I said I was talking to a local representative, a Hawaiian, a native Hawaiian representative. And she said, well, if he sold out to the system and reached a level of success that he can be a representative, then he sold out his own people. And that really floored me.

[00:16:30] First of all, I was gaslighting at its finest that you could say we can dismiss certain certain aspects of a people group, a Hawaiian and say he's not actually Hawaiian enough because he's successful. So now we can't listen to what he has to say about his people.

[00:16:44] You know, that's a dangerous train of thought, isn't it? It is scary. I mean, if we have celebrities who are just as bold faced like like that, who would tell rappers like 50 Cent, a very well accomplished businessman, that he needs to remember that

[00:17:01] he's black and he can't vote for Trump. So I mean, the elitism is deafening and they can't see themselves. But it's just a way to make themselves feel better about their fake virtualism, their fake virtue signaling. And they don't want to face the fact that it doesn't work.

[00:17:19] You can't have any government program that really brings people together. You can't have a government program that makes people love each other the way they should. That's a spiritual thing. And that comes from the gospel.

[00:17:30] And that right there, any type of touching of the light, they don't want to acknowledge it. They want to keep to the lies of their virtue signaling. So they will say elitist, racist things like that rather than face the truth.

[00:17:42] They will. They do it to women, too, by the way. You know, the left has traditionally been the one to tout what they would call reproductive freedom or choices for women. Women's empowerment when it comes to abortion, especially in women's rights to their

[00:17:56] own body. You know, those are all giant rebranding and marketing words to make women feel seen who are stressed out. But one thing they do is neglect to actually care for those pregnant women. So if those pregnant women actually want help getting a job or employment or affordable

[00:18:12] child care or saving to buy a home, you know, the abortion industry is nowhere to be found. They leave them out to dry. And I have an op ed on this very topic on point of view dot net where I outline one

[00:18:25] unifying message for every single American that really shocked me when I got into the political nerd of this, Holly, and started researching it is there is an area of the pro-life or abortion realm that 80 percent of Americans agree with.

[00:18:41] And that is resources for pregnant women in need that nobody really wants to see pregnant women getting an abortion because they're homeless. That's a that's a travesty on either side of the aisle. And so outside of these areas of commonality with we've talked about these different

[00:18:58] demographic blocks, suburban women, Latino voters, black voters among these same median voters who Trump panders to a lot, he's backing off his pro-life messaging. But he really what he needs to do is lean into this.

[00:19:11] And this is the idea that protecting vulnerable children from abortion and their moms is a winning message among Americans and one that he should lead out in in a post-war world. Is it not, Holly? I think it absolutely is.

[00:19:25] And it's something that stands in pretty direct contrast to what the Biden administration's approach to this issue. And even currently some members of Congress, we at First Liberty have had. And Chelsea, you know, from your work, you'll be familiar with this as well.

[00:19:40] We've had so many situations where places like pregnancy resource centers that just want to, like, provide blankets and diapers and classes and education to pregnant women are being targeted as you know, there's all sorts of creative excuses, creative excuses that administrations will use.

[00:19:56] Some of them will say they're spreading misinformation about pregnancy. And it's like, no, they're teaching you how to breastfeed a child and helping with resources for women to take care of babies. So we've seen those come under attack by people that are vandals.

[00:20:12] And you know, you've seen sort of selective enforcement under what's called the FACE Act through the Department of Justice who wants to use it against pregnancy resource centers instead of to protect them.

[00:20:24] So you know, I think there's a huge opportunity, you know, if we can all agree that providing resources for pregnant women is good. I think there's a huge opportunity for the Trump administration and the Trump campaign

[00:20:35] to really embrace that and be really supportive of these types of places. You raise such a good point, and that is that, you know, at the end of the day, there is a such extreme part of the abortion movement that is even against women getting access

[00:20:52] to these resources. You know, I'll go to these hearings on behalf of Human Coalition advocating for more services to pregnant women in need so they don't feel that they need to get an abortion in the first place.

[00:21:02] And you would be shocked how many, I would say Democrats, predominantly pro-abortionists don't want women to have access. They don't want women to know about the services that are available. Well, why is that? They want women to have abortions. They're paid for by Planned Parenthood. Don't go anywhere.

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[00:22:58] You are listening to Point of View. The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station. And now, here again, Chelsea Yeoman. Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable where Patrina, Holly, and Liberty and I are

[00:23:19] all discussing something you wouldn't expect. There is something that most Americans can coalesce around and unify around during a presidential campaign, during an election cycle. There's one issue, the news would never talk about it, but it exists, and that is that

[00:23:35] people want to see pregnant women seeking abortion be cared for. It might surprise you. If you watch the news, they wouldn't tell you this, but the pro-life movement especially has dedicated decades to building a large infrastructure to serve pregnant women in

[00:23:50] need so that they feel that they don't need to have an abortion, that abortion is unnecessary to them because the reasons they're seeking abortion are often tangible. Things like they can't afford to make rent.

[00:24:01] 63% are already feeding a child at home and having difficulty feeding that child and keeping up with, especially in this economy, everything that they need to keep up with. They're having a hard time affording, having affordable child care. There's a whole host of things.

[00:24:17] 76% of women seeking abortion tell us at Human Coalition that they would rather be a mom than they would get an abortion. And you would never know that. So, moms, when they engage with services, when they realize that they have better options

[00:24:31] out there, there's actually support, maybe they feel pressured from a partner or mother or boyfriend to get an abortion. When they know someone's there going to walk alongside them during this pregnancy and actually help them, they choose life. They want to be a mom.

[00:24:45] They want to have their child. And if some of these candidates could wrap their brains around this, that the pro-life movement is about caring and loving for women, and we should emphasize that as we're campaigning

[00:24:56] that we're going to expand care for pregnant women in the United States in a post-war world, it's really this moment where I would hope that the Republican candidate or conservative candidate would own this and lead on this issue and cast a hopeful vision for pregnant women in America.

[00:25:15] And by doing so, and having policies in place, look at the federal level, we're going to defund Planned Parenthood of their billion dollars a year almost from the federal government that they get and reroute that to holistic, compassionate care for pregnant women. That is a winning message.

[00:25:31] There's a whole host of things that the executive can do while being pro-life and really not ostracize these median voters that the Republicans are so obsessed with not ostracizing right now. I will go to, let's see, who wants to talk about it?

[00:25:46] Maybe Liberty and see if you see this article we have on pointofview.net. I did some political research. Was there anything about it that stood out to you or maybe surprised you from the stats in there?

[00:25:57] Well, I was just so excited to see it because if you think about 80% of people agreeing on anything in America right now, that just doesn't seem like that's rare. It really is. And the fact that it's about something so important, providing better care for pregnant

[00:26:12] women, like who could disagree with that? And the sad thing is that Democrats, I think a lot of Democrats, I won't say all, and I think the abortion extremists are so focused on continuing to scare women into with misinformation

[00:26:30] about reproductive health and about what they can and can't access with pro-life laws and everything that they don't want these kind of things to become a reality or Republican candidates to be involved in this because it undermines what they're trying to say,

[00:26:46] which is that Republican say women and pro-lifers don't actually care about women. And then all of the evidence points to exactly the opposite. But again, like we've been talking about for the last several segments about voters kind

[00:26:59] of making up their own mind and not necessarily voting the way they've always voted on an issue, but things like the economy start to speak for themselves. I think if like you said, Chelsea, we had a few brave candidates that were leading the

[00:27:12] way on this, maybe even some bipartisan work on a few candidates who are willing to step out and say, hey, we're going to work together on something like this to provide more resources for pregnant women.

[00:27:25] And if they were able to take the lead in that, then I think the average person, the average voter maybe would start to see through the misinformation and the scaremongering and say, hey, actually, you know, regardless of what my exact position on abortion is, this is working.

[00:27:40] I can get behind this. And like you said, it's going to take a few people to step out there and actually take the lead and start doing it. You're so right. You know, Holly, I love what Liberty is saying right now about this idea of quit playing defense.

[00:27:55] You know, I haven't said it until I'm blue in the face to some Republican candidates. Even I know if you are backed into the corner of debating gestational limits, right? What age of pregnancy and child are we comfortable mass slaughtering?

[00:28:10] Is it six weeks when the baby has a heartbeat? Is it when the baby can kick? I mean, at what point are we comfortable with, you know, genocide? That's not a winning argument. No American wins if that's what we're busy backed into a corner debating, which is exactly

[00:28:25] where the Democrats want us. You know, a lot of the pro-life groups, SBA lists come to mind. They're pushing this hard push to talk about how extreme the Democrats are, talk about they want abortion on demand through the third trimester with zero limits. And that is true.

[00:28:39] You know, that is that is truth. And it's a horrific truth and one that needs to be put out there. But I do see that there's a neglect here of really some deeper issues. Why are a million women a year seeking abortion? Why?

[00:28:53] You know, Holly, what are your thoughts on that? Absolutely. I think you're entirely right. If we're debating at what point do we draw the line between murder and not murder? I don't think I think that's like we've lost the plot when we're on that debate.

[00:29:06] And so you're right that conservatives in these campaigns, you know, whether they're the presidential election or even like politics is local. Abortion regulations are oftentimes state. So let's also talk about this in state house and state Senate campaigns.

[00:29:24] Conservatives need to be pushing offensively, but in a really positive way and discussing more about what unites us and how can how can we support women that are pregnant? And that, I think, is a really positive message that keeps you from getting too in the weeds

[00:29:39] of making life or choice just a women's issue. A lot of times it gets relegated to we can only let women talk about things like abortion. And I think when you really focus on, hey, here's how we're going to help provide.

[00:29:52] Here's this benevolence ministry through a church is a pregnancy resource center. Here's how we're supporting and implementing programs that are encouraging women with children, women helping pay their rent, women, you know, making positive impacts for their family.

[00:30:06] I think anyone can talk about that male, female, anyone that's trying to run a campaign and improve their community. This is really a winning issue. And it's the kind of offense that conservatives need to be on, not drawing lines and splitting

[00:30:17] hairs over, you know, at what point it's OK to murder a child. Yes. And, you know, to push it even a little bit further, you know, Petrina, when I think of this, I think this isn't even a new a new policy initiative. Right.

[00:30:30] It's the one thing for decades that the pro-life movement has always done, and that is offer pregnant women alternatives to abortion. They can own it outright. Do you have any thoughts on how they can do that or why they're not currently pushing this this discussion in this direction?

[00:30:47] You know, I'm not sure. I think there's probably, you know, a couple of reasons. But, you know, the one thing for sure is that the Republican Party can no longer relegate abortion to, you know, some bag closet issue like it is now what they call a kitchen table

[00:31:05] issue. It is on the table. Democrats have made it the cornerstone of their campaign and their party platform, and we can't run away from it. So I think for the Republican Party and for social conservatives, this is a good thing.

[00:31:19] This is a great time to be pro-life because now we can force our candidates to talk about it. That's number one. I think secondly, while we still have a million abortions coming and still after rogue going on, I think it's because we need an apologetics on sex.

[00:31:37] We need an apologetics on the sanctity of marriage, and we need a whole mental revamp of the purpose of sex and the purpose of family and marriage and biblical manhood and womanhood. So it is going to take more than just the pro-life legislations that we have to protect

[00:31:54] the right to life and more than the quality of life legislation, which you were talking about in being there as a support for women. But we also need an apologetics for family and for marriage and for sex again because

[00:32:07] the reason why you have all these people who are going to the ballot who are using abortion as a ballot issue tactic because they want – I'm sorry, they lost at the court. They lost legislatively so they're going to the ballot initiative and they're winning

[00:32:20] because you still have, number one, sexual abusers. You have traffickers. You have incest. You have rapists. You have cheaters. You have parents who want to hide what their children are doing. You have students. You have people having affairs, quote unquote.

[00:32:33] You have all these different types of people that make up the voting population that still want to keep abortion on the table as an escape hatch. And so what does that tell us?

[00:32:42] We still have a lot of work to do to change the minds and hearts of people on the nature of sex. So I think as long as we can combine our rights to life, our quality of life in the

[00:32:52] chaplaincy of sex effort, I think we'll be on the right road for the future. You know what, Petrina? Petrina Mosley 2024, you put your name on that ticket. You get on President Trump's vice president list and we're all going to vote for you without a doubt.

[00:33:09] You know, just wise, sound, biblical, principled policy. I don't think you can go wrong with that. I don't think there's anything you said that doesn't resonate with all of us. And I think that's what I hope for 2024 is we start to see these candidates differentiate

[00:33:24] from each other with leading into some debates, which I, I for one, I'm going to have my popcorn out. I mean, I think it's going to be an absolute, you know, in an entertainment event. But we'll discuss more on this. Don't go anywhere. Point of view radio.

[00:33:38] We're listening to point of view. You're listening. Well, we're talking about really what Petrina said is a very hopeful vision for pro family, pro marriage, pro children America under the next administration.

[00:34:12] You know, I'm just going to have to send her last clip over to all the presidential candidates running because I think it's something that would resonate with Americans more broadly. But I know Liberty, you had an additional thoughts.

[00:34:23] I want to make sure you get to tell us, you know, piggybacking off of Petrina, you know, your thoughts on the vision she's talking about. Yeah, well, what Petrina said was so on point.

[00:34:34] And again, giving our next generation and the culture, not just say don't do this, you know, abortion is bad and but a positive vision for, you know, why should, why do are we advocating for this way of building our lives?

[00:34:48] And so if you want a real tangible message that you can tell young people, there's actually something called the success sequence. And it's based on research, but basically, and if you Google success sequence, either

[00:35:02] Brookings Institute or Institute for Family Studies, a whole bunch of research on it will pop up. But it's basically, you know, you tell high schoolers three steps, get at least a high school degree, get a full time job, and then get married before having kids.

[00:35:18] And the latest research shows that 97% of people who follow those three steps in those order in that order are not poor as adults. And poverty is one of the biggest reasons that women who are single end up having abortion because they don't have the support.

[00:35:36] So we can tell them that sequence, not even going to college, that is statistically going to keep you out of poverty, it's going to keep you in a family structure that has the support you need.

[00:35:45] And to Petrina's earlier point, the US government should really, you know, parties should be emphasizing marriage incentives to get more young people to follow this path, which statistically leads to success. 97% is a very high statistic, no matter what you're looking at.

[00:36:05] You know, when I think of how much our news is consumed with international affairs and wars abroad and, you know, anything but really talking about our domestic issues, our borders, our economy, our pocketbooks, and even what you're alluding to, which is the health of

[00:36:21] the family unit, which has been eroded, you know, systematically by all these social issues. You know, first to go out the window were things like the permanence of marriage, that was pillar one, starting in the 60s, and then no fault divorce in the 80s.

[00:36:37] And then complementarity went out the window with the LGBT movement, there's no such thing as women and men and having our own biological roles in society for a reason. And then obviously procreation is out the window with abortion on demand and the free

[00:36:52] sex movement that really started in the 60s. Like what we're looking at is the result of all of these unbiblical, devastating impacts to traditional homes and families. And for Christians to stand up and say like, we expect our elected officials to reflect

[00:37:11] these values that are staples and foundational to our society. Holly, I think that would be really important no matter who the candidate is on either party to say, you know, we're only going to vote for a candidate who casts a vision for success for America here at home.

[00:37:29] We care about our neighbors, our churches, our communities, and need to hear a little bit more about that, frankly. Yeah, I think what's been sad to see as we've watched, you know, campaigns go year by year

[00:37:41] is that saying things like what Liberty just read off with the success sequence have really become controversial. And it's, you know, sad to see saying things like, you know, get a high school diploma,

[00:37:53] get a full time job, get married before you have kids is something that requires a lot of courage for a politician to say. And so I just think that that is something that we need to definitely return to. I'm glad she decided to bring that up.

[00:38:05] And it's something that our candidates could pay a lot of attention to when they're looking to build successful campaigns. I think it would resonate with more voters than ever before. You know, we're looking around at some really the progressive approach is really extreme.

[00:38:18] You know, it's almost unrecognizable where this country is headed when you have, you know, full college campuses who are out with protesters even outside the White House who are chanting in favor of terrorists in a post 9-11 world.

[00:38:34] You know, it's just baffling and that certainly a call to these healthy patterns of society I think would resonate with a lot of people. But I am going to end up on a hopeful note in the last few minutes that we have.

[00:38:47] This article is on pointofview.net where you can read this topic and all the ones we've talked about today that there were 70,000 gathered in London in Trafalgar Square to hear the gospel this weekend.

[00:39:00] And I have been seeing articles like this, I think since April, since about Easter where there were tens of thousands baptized over Easter weekend in Europe. That is continuing. I don't know if you guys have heard of this, but I wanted to make sure I talked about this

[00:39:15] news because it certainly seems like revival is happening globally and we're not going to see that covered in mainstream media. But of course here on Point of View, we're going to cover news that you might not be hearing. It's important.

[00:39:28] 25,000 people marched for Jesus in France and Paris at the end of May. 63,000 people were praising in the Netherlands in the last few weeks. And then they said an additional 700,000 reportedly participated online on Pentecostal Sunday. This is certainly a move of the Holy Spirit.

[00:39:50] You know, we can go around the horn whoever wants to talk about this, but I am personally just very encouraged in a world that seems full of war and darkness and political destruction and all these things to see that God is obviously our hope and so much stronger.

[00:40:06] And he is on the move after all, isn't he? Absolutely. That's just such great news. And it can be easy to get bogged down with the bad news, but I'm so glad that you brought

[00:40:16] this up, Chelsea, because it shows that there is hope and that as the Bible says, the harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. So I think this should be an encouragement to us to say the Holy Spirit is moving.

[00:40:27] So how can you be a part of this movement and reach out to young people who are seeking God and be a mentor, disciple them in their new faith and articulate that hope that they're so desperately seeking?

[00:40:40] Because we can see that, like you said, the Holy Spirit is moving and we want to be a part of the work that he's doing. Yes, there's certainly a sense of urgency. I would say, you know, everybody talks about Europe being dead in religion.

[00:40:53] And you know, at the end of this article, they say that's not true. You know, I think even in a post-Christian society, as they call it, like America is now God has, you know, people to save. Holly, are you excited to see this?

[00:41:07] Does this have any implications for your work? I'm so excited to see this. And I hope it's really a trend if this movement, you know, happening in London, I hope it just continues to make its way across the country.

[00:41:19] I know we've seen a lot of similar type revivals in sort of like South America and Africa. There's a huge movement of the church in those countries. And so I hope America follows suit. And then inevitably, when people that are in the government don't like revival, then

[00:41:34] First Liberty is here to help. Inevitably, that is true, right, Petrina? Yes, it is. And actually, this article is really quite humbling because while they were worshipping and gathering, glorifying God this weekend, we were having our president and vice president

[00:41:51] out dancing to Juneteenth with rainbow colors and men dressed like women. And you know, and the joke would be, you don't want to turn into UK. They were kind of the butt of the joke when it came to how spiritually and morally bankrupt you can be.

[00:42:07] And now to see that God has been done with them is quite humbling to see and really great to see. It's encouraging to see that God is so faithful to his word that he always, always has a remnant. He always has a remnant.

[00:42:21] And you know, this is not to take away from the other news that we see across the globe where our missionaries and there are areas where it's just dangerous. There is violence being committed, martyrs being made out of different aspects of our world.

[00:42:37] But all of that is what you described, Petrina, the remnant that we are here, you know, to speak truth and love and the gospel. I do think in a world of chaos, truth does have a way of rising to the surface.

[00:42:48] Whether people like it or not is another question, but it's certainly an encouragement to look around and not say it is all lost. It starts at home. Thank you for being with us today, ladies.

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