When presidents cross constitutional lines, who should answer for it? Sam Bushman and Dr. Scott Bradley debate executive war powers, Thomas Massie’s effort to impeach Pete Hegseth, and whether restoring accountability requires immediate consequences, long-term reform, or both.
The episode opens with reflections on the Battle of Ia Drang and the human cost of military escalation. The discussion then turns to Congress’s responsibilities, the difference between constitutional oversight and partisan payback, and why the hosts believe accountability must apply consistently.
In the final segment, Bushman questions voting within the two-party system, while Bradley discusses impeachment and protest votes. They close by exploring nonpartisan precincts, hand-counted ballots, local oversight, and constitutional education as proposed paths toward reform.
Linked Timestamps
00:00 Liberty Round Table introduction
01:35 Remembering Ia Drang and the escalation of the Vietnam War
04:34 A soldier’s warning about wars politicians start
05:13 Massie, Hegseth, and accountability for executive overreach
07:58 Is gradual constitutional reform too soft? Bradley responds
10:58 Promotional break: Freewater Coin Company and Sheriff Mack’s book
12:34 Constitutional accountability versus political payback
14:12 Bradley challenges claims of vindication in the Hegseth vote
17:05 Bushman questions voting within the two-party system
20:40 Protest votes, write-in candidates, and voter frustration
22:25 Proposed reforms: Nonpartisan precincts and hand-counted ballots
23:57 Constitutional education and restoring checks and balances
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[00:00:21] Accountability, scandals, Scott Bradley, and solutions. Happy to have you along my fellow Americans. I'm Sam Bushman. It's all about the hard-hitting news the networks refuse to use. This is Liberty RoundTable Podcast and it all starts now on this freedom-loving podcast.
[00:00:38] Fantastic. We're taking America back one heart, one mind, one issue at a time. Faith-filled Friday. That means Dr. Bradley had his webinar last night too. We'll dig into that and a whole lot more. Dr. Bradley, welcome to the show, sir. Uh-oh. You there, Dr. Bradley? I am here. Welcome, sir.
[00:01:04] Yes, thank you very much. I know you've got a ton of things on your plate all the time and I don't want to distract from any of that, but I just thought I'd mention sometimes, you know, things come to mind as we're starting in the morning. Today is Friday the 13th of November, 2026. And tomorrow marks the 61st anniversary of the beginning of a tragic travesty that this was a hinge point.
[00:01:34] 61 years ago, tomorrow marked the beginning of the Ia Drang Valley battle as part of the Pleiku Central Highlands campaign. First large-scale interaction between North Vietnamese and American troops. America just about got completely annihilated on this. It was an unbelievable risk.
[00:02:01] We had, if you take the outer edges of the dates of this, it was a five-day battle. Yeah, you could say we almost got annihilated or you could almost say, hey, they were able to use that to move us into the new world order in a hurry.
[00:02:13] Well, what it did, you know, if you talk about it, I mean, we had between 300 and 550 deaths killed, killed in action. This isn't somebody that picked up a little shrapnel. This was, I mean, this is 1965, Sam. And I'm here to tell you there was a lot of things that it marked.
[00:02:35] I mean, there was the use of the B-52s, the close air support, you know, the, you know, the airlift cav stuff. I mean, it was an amazing, everything got pulled into play on this thing. And the Vietnamese learned very quickly that if you hang real tight to the American lines, you avoid that close air support.
[00:02:59] We had a lot of friendly fire, killed in action, napalm kind of things where Americans were killed by aerial strikes and stuff like that. But, I mean, it was, it was a real nosebleed. And, and I, I, here's the reason I bring it up. It became our war with that battle in 1965. I mean, until that time, the Americans, oh, we're doing something for Vietnam.
[00:03:28] And, and at that time, and you would have thought it would have had an outcry against, but no, it was like, this is our war now. Look what we've paid into it. We have skin in the game. Well, it should have never been then, and it should have never been now, sir. You're absolutely correct. There's no doubt about that. But the fools that were running things at the time spun it this way. And it's interesting that it escalated at 58,000.
[00:03:58] By the way, I think today's the 44th anniversary of the opening of the Vietnam Wall in Washington, D.C. 58,000 plus names on that. But, but at any rate, here's the deal. Sometimes, you know, the man on the street interviews happen, you know, and it happens, you know, with war correspondents, too. They walk up to some dog-faced, bone-tired guy that looks like he couldn't even hardly stand up anymore. And says, hey, soldier, come here. Where are you from? What's your name?
[00:04:27] You know, what do you have to say to the people back home? And this one soldier said, never send your sons to finish a war your politicians started. Oh, if we would ever learn that lesson, Sam. I mean, we have, we're, what, nine months plus into this fiasco. Well, the evil ones want war. And the middle people who are ignorant of conspiracies and everything else don't realize and get drug into it over and over and over.
[00:04:57] The masses are completely ignorant. And the rest of us do the best we can to stop it, right? Yeah, but you know what? There's not enough being done to stop it. I mean, we could, we could talk about this Hegseth attempt to get him impeached and really who should have been impeached. All right, let's get into this. So in your webinar last night, there was a big question. What happened to Massey's impeachment articles in the House? And it's a great question. They simply got squashed up by the Republicans. And on one hand, that really frustrates me.
[00:05:26] On the other hand, I have a little bit of a kind of an understanding of this. Not that I agree, but I have a little understanding. Let me throw this out for you and see what you think, Dr. Bradley. Sure. You know, we've had decades. I mean, decades of presidential overreach. Okay. And it won't end with one impeachment at all. So Thomas Massey and others are absolutely right to create accountability for executive overreach. They're absolutely right.
[00:05:55] However, Congress, the courts, the voters have tolerated and sometimes rewarded this kind of behavior for decades. And so we need to hold Trump and his administration accountable. We need to warn officials when they cross constitutional lines. We need to direct and elect lawmakers who will exercise the power that Congress has given them properly, constitutionally.
[00:06:24] But we need to realize that we all share responsibility for landing the plane safely. And we all need to work on restoring the checks and balances that we have simply ignored for so long. And so I'm not saying that there shouldn't be accountability. But I am saying it's really hard to let decades of presidents and secretaries of defense or war or whatever words we want to use and all these other people to violate constitution. But it's really hard for me to say, oh, just snap back today.
[00:06:51] Hold Donald and Pete 100 percent accountable when we all have blame to go around. We the people most because you know what? They work for we the people. And if we don't like it when they do that, we could have fired them. We could have made a big change. Instead of just voting Democrat in this last election, we could have removed all 435 of them. And today you're all gone because you guys haven't stopped the president from his belligerence. You haven't stopped Pete Hegseth from it.
[00:07:20] OK, but if we the people aren't going to take responsibility, Congress isn't going to take responsibility in general. The courts aren't really taking responsibility for this. The president's going to go over the line because he's just seen everybody do it before him. And he believes that's the modern day standard and is too ignorant to know different. It's hard for me to say one man Hegseth should take the hit for all of it. So I get it and I don't disagree with Massey. But at the same time, I do understand a little bit of justice and mercy here.
[00:07:47] And on one hand, I want justice and I want accountability and I want the Constitution obeyed. On the other hand, it took us 100 years to pull so far from the Constitution. I'm not so sure that we can bring it back in a day, sir. What do you think of that? Is that too soft? Yes. But is it reality? Sam, no, really, I mean, you're on with the logic, reasoning, intelligence. But I think we need to carry it further than back.
[00:08:11] I mean, I think after the first term of Trump, Congress pulled a stunt they've never done before. And that was impeaching while he was out of office. Yeah, 100%. And I think that this needs to be, we need to go back. And they shouldn't have done that either. Say again? They shouldn't have done that either. If they're going to do that, I think they ought to impeach every living president that violated this war concept. Amen. And so I'm not defending this being okay.
[00:08:38] I'm just telling you that we cannot blame it all on, hey, the current Congress better take action. And, you know, Pete Hedsek is the worst guy. Everybody else is fine. But Donald and Pete, we've got to attack them. See, they've made this more partisan and more payback and more political whatever than it really has constitutional reality. If we want constitutional reality, then we've got to all move back to the Constitution, not just expect a few to hold a few accountable at a given slice in time, if you will. And so I'm talking about education.
[00:09:07] I'm talking about a move back to the Constitution over time and a restoration of these principles on an ongoing basis, not just use it when it fits your needs punishment apparatus or whatever else. And I'm afraid, sadly, to a great degree, that's what this is turning into, doctor. Well, it is indeed, but better late than never. I mean, we've got to drive a stake in the ground, the line in the sand, whatever you want to call it. But here's the deal, a lot of deals.
[00:09:36] There's a lot of things we need to talk about probably. We don't have time to do this justice. But this calling Pete Hedsek on the carpet by Massey was a good first step, and it's a baby step. And really and truly, Truman used to have a little placard on his desk that said, the buck stops here. Where does this buck stop, Sam? Of course, we, the people, were the ones that put these people in place.
[00:10:02] But the people that are in place were put there specifically, exactly, and unequivocally to prevent happening what did happen. And so it was a violation of the will of the people. It was a violation of all the campaign promises. It was a violation of the Constitution. Hold on, hold on. What's supposed to happen when that occurs? Well... We're supposed to vote the bums out. That's right, exactly. But Trump wasn't voted out. That's right. And Hedsek is still there.
[00:10:31] In fact, Trump was kind of considered like a Jesus figure, which in my opinion is a whole nother problem. It certainly is. I mean, we trust in the arm of the flesh and we have mortal flesh that we promote to deity. But this should not stop with Hedsek, and it will go forward come January. All right, let's talk more in seconds, ladies and gentlemen. Liberty Roundtable, live. Attention collectors and savvy investors.
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[00:12:22] Purchase your copy at CSPOA.org. That's CSPOA.org. All right, so I want to be super clear. I'm not at all suggesting that we shouldn't move back to the Constitution as quick as we possibly can. I'm not suggesting that. I'm merely saying that, hey, we don't want it to be used for political purposes to have a one-time, hey, get them. The Constitution calls for it. Get them.
[00:12:49] And we use it for political paybacks or partisan politics or whatever else. And we don't have a genuine understanding and desire to truly move back to the Constitution and hold everybody to the same account. So I'm just saying it can't be done overnight, and it can't be done in a political way for just one person, for instance. We need to realize this is a constitutional principle.
[00:13:14] And if we want the principle to be obeyed, we need to train and educate and get everybody on board and move that needle back towards liberty and back towards the Constitution and not play partisan politics. You know, the Democrats love to call the Constitution when they have an advantage to do so. So do the Republicans. Right now you've got this California whacked out guy. I can't remember his name. And he's basically saying, hey, we're going to go after you guys. Lawyer up. And then people push back and say, no, you're just on a witch hunt.
[00:13:42] And he's like, no, the Constitution gives me authority to do this. That may be true. And I don't deny that it's reasonable. The problem is we can't just back it when it's the other guy or favor it when it's not our guy or whatever the case may be. We've got to realize this is a constitutional principle not to be trifled with, doctor. That's really my point. No, you're right on, Sam. And I've dedicated 50-plus years to attempting to do that. We have a slow learner curve going on in the nation right now.
[00:14:12] The thing that's interesting about this Hegseth thing, it was not a vindication of Hegseth at all. It was a parliamentary ploy that set aside this resolution that needed to be voted on. They sent it to committee. They did not address any of the extremely valid positions that were taken on there. Because they knew full well it might pass. Well, that's right.
[00:14:35] And there will be impeachment unless Hegseth resigns, quits, or gets another job by getting appointed to a Senate seat or something. Oh, he'll probably get put in the media, buddy. He'll get like a Fox show or he'll get somehow as a commentator on something or he'll move into working for NPR. Or he'll somehow go to the Donald Trump MAGA movement. Or something like that will happen for Pete. He's not in any trouble, sir. No, no, no. He's not. And besides that, there's no MAGA movement anymore.
[00:15:02] But at any rate, it's interesting that you talk about the partisan. All MAGA has millions and billions of dollars, my friend. Make no mistake. That's true. But it's interesting how it was such a partisan issue that all the Republicans voted to table this thing, basically sent it to committees. And shame on them all. Except for Massey. And all the Democrats voted in favor of it, except 11 of them that just didn't show up, got stuck in traffic and everything.
[00:15:31] Here's kind of an interesting thing. 10 of those 11 are heavily financed by the Israeli lobby. Now, that tells you that their boat has been purchased, I think. At least there's strong evidence. That's for sure. So at any rate, it was a 211 to 204 to avoid deciding the charges. Now, the Trump administration and Hegseth are saying, vindication, vindication, victory, victory. That's bogus.
[00:16:01] It's bogus. All they did was vote to table it. It was a parliamentary trickery. Weasel words, if you will, that were carried out by the vote. And so this thing has not been adjudicated or considered. There was no discussion, nothing other than, why don't we just send this to committee? And what that means is, we're killing it. Let's deep six it. And then the question becomes, will the Democrats bring it out or will they let it go? I just know this, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:16:29] At the end of the day, we can try to get somebody else to do something. Be mad when they don't. Whatever else. This is a partisan clown show, people. And at the end of the day, here's what I'm saying. We share responsibility for landing the plane safely and restoring the checks and balances that we, the people, have led a road. It's that simple. And the way you start is you vote the clowns out who aren't standing for the Constitution, and you vote those who will stand for the Constitution in.
[00:16:57] The problem that I'm having is we don't even have any good leaders on the national stage that I can vote for. So I've got another kind of idea for you, doctor. I'm not voting anymore. And the reason that I'm not is every single solitary vote that I can make turns out to be a clown show. There's no good honorable people. Every one of them is part of a party, which means they're part of a criminal cabal enterprise. Parties have special privilege at the trough.
[00:17:23] The Republicans and Democrats have shared power as the left and right wing of the same bird of prey for so long. And I don't even know if they're sharing power right now. They probably agree to let the Democrats have a slaughter for a while, and then in 28 we'll get some seats back. And we'll just – it's part of a plan, a cabal, a secret combination. But I look at it and go, I don't have a single person to vote for that's not part of a party who they all protect themselves with a moat of special laws and privileges to make sure that they don't get shaken or removed and no one else can play.
[00:17:53] From money into their campaigns by the taxpayers to you can't get on the ballot to I can keep going. There's dozens. There's hundreds. There's thousands of them. There's hundreds. To vote fraud and machines and the list goes on and on to the point where even initiatives that you want and put on the ballot to try to rein in the people. I don't support those. They smack of democracy. But even, say, Proposition B in Utah, for example, you look at that and you go, either way is a clown show.
[00:18:20] So the fact is we should have the legislature doing their job according to the Constitution of the state of Utah and we should have the people get out of it except for the elections and the other ways they can be involved with delegates. But we're literally moving more towards a democracy. And either vote on either side turns out to be a clown show and a wrong vote because they're not even debating the right issues anymore. Both sides are off base. Both sides end up being unconstitutional and so on to the point where my vote turns out by not voting is a protest vote saying,
[00:18:49] Hey, until we get honor back into the system, I'm just voting for evil. Call it the lesser of. Oh, we've been doing that forever, Sam. That doesn't make it right to continue. So, you know, where do we go with all that? And that's part of the problem that I'm seeing. Am I crazy? Well, I don't think you're crazy, Sam. But I'll tell you what's really frustrating to most of the people is they thought they voted for that two years ago. And they said no more wars.
[00:19:17] We're not going to be involved in international things. Nobody cares. That's what I mean. Your vote doesn't matter. There's no way to hold them accountable because of the vote fraud and the special interests and the protections. They built a moat around themselves, right? They have. But here's the deal. They do have this thing called impeachment. And we can continue to work toward that. I'm certainly not resisting your idea that we need education. We need new principles to be brought forward that have historically worked and everything else like that.
[00:20:15] And they'll be like, hey, we're going to do awesome things. We're the less taxer guys. We're the whatever. We're the economy guys. We're the whatever little, you know, hot buttons the media wants to help them push. They'll do. And then they'll go back to clown show and do the same things they've always done. Okay. They haven't learned a thing and they haven't shown any willingness to change at all. So the only choice left is to vote bums out. The problem is you can't. Well, I can't tell you the last time I voted for somebody that got in.
[00:20:44] I mean, I usually have protest votes that I write names in and stuff like that. The problem is it better to write Mickey Mouse or better just not to vote? That's right. It's hard to say. And in Utah, you can't even put a write-in in that's going to get counted unless that person has registered as a write-in. I mean, that's right. And you can't vote for, you can't participate, for example, in the Republican primaries unless you're a Republican, right? Right. The whole thing is a colony of errors.
[00:21:11] That's what I mean is that I don't see that voting makes sense and people are like, Sam, you're derelict in your duty. I don't think so. I think everybody that votes for this clown show protection scheme that's not constitutional and not moral and not right in the first place, they're perpetuating the problem. Voting for somebody that's a member of a party is continuing the problem. It's the parties and the factions that have caused 90% of the reason that we don't have any say anymore.
[00:21:33] You know, Sam, all of these decades I've been involved in this thing, I have heard countless examples of people saying we need to get our M-16s and run down the street, shoot the windows out or whatever. I don't think that's the answer either. Okay, now just hear me out for just a second. I have always said we have two things that the founding fathers didn't have and they had to take their muskets and run down the street. We have the vote and we have the Constitution. And I've said that for decades.
[00:22:02] And I'm not so sure that my position is as strong today as it used to be. It is in the sense that we have the Constitution. That's true. I agree. And it is if we were to take the vote seriously instead of moving towards federal control like Donald wants to control all the elections and stupid people think that's the answer. Hey, moving it away from the local people into the general government is the worst thing you can do. Okay. The answer is precincts that are nonpartisan. The answer is we demand that at the precinct level. We count our ballots by hand.
[00:22:31] We swear into the penalty of perjury that they're accurate. We have vote counters and vote watchers that can verify. And, you know, if it's good enough for my taxes, it's good enough to swear to the vote count. And then we don't have these shenanigans of what's going on and everything else. And we can hold them accountable by the precincts. They were called the wards by the founding fathers. And I think we need to move towards that big time. Take the partisanship out of it and move towards, hey, you know your neighbors.
[00:22:55] So clowns that are, you know, voting twice or, you know, shouldn't be voting aren't going to be doing that because, you know, the people that are local in your precinct. And I think we have nonpartisan precincts going on here. But even bipartisan is a sham. So, you know, we've got to take back our country and we're going all the wrong ways about it. Well, everything you suggest is absolutely essential. But here's the problem we have. And that's not the only problem. Utah was an early adopter of this Bravo Sierra that you're talking about the vote.
[00:23:24] So our vote is not even sacred anymore. And certainly the Constitution isn't held sacred. And so, sadly, I think we're being compelled almost into a box that's going to say you've got to fight or fly. And I don't want to get to that. I want to have people awaken to a sense of their awful situation and willing and worthy to stand forth and do it. What if nobody voted in the midterms?
[00:23:52] If somebody voted once, the person would win. Okay. So, you know, what we need to do is educate. We need to use the media to tell the tale of truth. We need to talk about partisan leadership. Okay. What about Republican minority leadership in the House? We'll get to that as the broadcast unfolds. I'm Sam Hughes, Scott. That freedomsizingson.com is where you can get his incredible collegiate series to preserve the nation. In my opinion, that's where the solutions lie.
[00:24:21] Returning to the Constitution. Education. And an insistence on obedience thereto. Keep your oath, baby. If we don't get that stuff done, none of this other stuff really matters. Vote for the clowns. You just get punked by the left and the right. The liberals, the Democrats. The whatever. Conservatives, Republicans. Whatever game they want to play. Don't fall for it anymore, folks. God save our constitutional republic.


