Radio Show Hour 2 – 12/18/2024

[00:00:24] All right, back with you live. Liberty Roundtable, hard-hitting talk, continues on your favorite news that ever should be used to you, station ladies and gentlemen.

[00:00:31] This is the broadcast for December the 18th in the year of our Lord, 2024.

[00:00:35] Hour 2 at 2, Merry Christmas as we promote God, family, and country and protect life, liberty, and property.

[00:00:40] James Edwards riding shotgun on the show today.

[00:00:45] And man, I don't even understand this next headline, but it's interesting to say the least.

[00:00:49] You know, my complaint is that none of us can seem to get a hold of Donald Trump for any reason.

[00:00:53] In fact, it's even hard to get a hold of Donald Trump's surrogates sometimes.

[00:00:58] I don't know how the pendulum swings.

[00:01:00] Back in 16, I interviewed a ton of Trump surrogates, probably more than almost anybody else.

[00:01:06] I even had Donald Trump Jr. on the show with James Edwards.

[00:01:09] That went viral.

[00:01:11] The campaign melted down and tried to pretend we were the enemy.

[00:01:14] I forced CNN to retract that and say that I was a good guy.

[00:01:18] Anyway, all I can tell you is that Eric Trump came on.

[00:01:21] We had all kinds of people on the radio with us, and I don't want to, you know, we've talked about that plenty.

[00:01:26] But the reason that I want to focus on this now is we can't get a hold of Trump or hardly any of the surrogates right now.

[00:01:33] But a million people, not literally, but, okay, were able to go ahead and not only meet with Donald, talk to him on the phone, sit down with him, okay?

[00:01:45] All kinds of whacked out people.

[00:01:47] I mean, Mika and Morning Joe literally said, hey, we want to talk to you, Joe.

[00:01:51] And Joe's like, come on down to Mar-a-Lago.

[00:01:53] And boom, they were there.

[00:01:55] You got Mark Zuckerberg rolling down to Mar-a-Lago and donating a million dollars to the inauguration.

[00:02:00] So I did a video and said, hey, man, is Mark joining MAGA?

[00:02:06] It's getting crazy.

[00:02:08] Well, anyway, I got the next one that I find interesting.

[00:02:11] All these liberals can just get a hold of the Donald with a drop of a hat, the blink of an eye, whatever you want to call it.

[00:02:16] It's amazing.

[00:02:17] So MSNBC host Stephanie Ruhl claims in a video posted to social media that it was easier to get a hold of Donald Trump than it was to get a hold of either Joe Biden or Kamala Harris.

[00:02:31] Ruhl claims she called Trump directly on his cell phone to make the interview request.

[00:02:38] Obviously, he said no, she said.

[00:02:41] But the point is I was able to get him by simply dialing his phone, calling him up.

[00:02:46] Now, she uses some salty language.

[00:02:48] She says, yeah, he wouldn't do the interview.

[00:02:50] He told me to go F myself.

[00:02:51] I don't know if that's really the case or not.

[00:02:53] I just find that an interesting statement from her.

[00:02:56] But here's the point.

[00:02:57] How does Stephanie Ruhl all of a sudden get Donald's number?

[00:03:00] Hey, Don, this is Sam.

[00:03:02] Hey, you want to come on the radio today with me and James?

[00:03:07] I just find this fascinating.

[00:03:09] How do all these liberals just have, like, speed dial for the Donald?

[00:03:12] She's like, yeah, right after they made those stuff at Madison Square Gardens,

[00:03:16] I just grabbed the phone and called him up.

[00:03:18] James, how on earth is this?

[00:03:20] What's going on here?

[00:03:22] Well, I'd like to know.

[00:03:23] Although, you know, God bless us, it's sometimes hard for you and I to even get in touch on the phone sometimes with one another.

[00:03:29] But with, you know, a football team of kids between us and all of them but three of yours.

[00:03:36] Let's be very clear, though.

[00:03:37] We have a hard time getting a hold of each other because we're both super busy people, et cetera.

[00:03:41] But if we really had something where it's like, I said to James, you've got to call me right now or vice versa.

[00:03:46] Oh, yeah.

[00:03:47] We would drop whatever we're doing and doing it.

[00:03:48] We're just saying, if you need to talk to me over the next couple of days, we'll work it out.

[00:03:51] Hold on.

[00:03:52] I'm busy.

[00:03:53] But if we, okay.

[00:03:54] Yeah, that's right.

[00:03:55] That's right.

[00:03:55] This Stephanie rules.

[00:03:56] She's a liberal clown for MSNBC.

[00:03:59] They're losing viewership left and right.

[00:04:01] They melted down.

[00:04:02] They're just, okay.

[00:04:03] And she's just like, hey, man, I just called up Donald.

[00:04:07] Well, I mean, and I would say, too, I have been in my own personal Battle of Stalingrad with the United States Postal Service this winter.

[00:04:16] But that's another story.

[00:04:18] So, yeah, people get – I'm sure the president's busy, too, in his defense on that.

[00:04:23] But to your point, it's – yes, the fact – and we've been saying this since 2016.

[00:04:30] And when you say, well, you know, who are y'all?

[00:04:32] You know, why is he going to talk to a couple of guys on the radio?

[00:04:36] There's a lot of people in radio.

[00:04:37] Not a lot of people on the radio that the odious so-called watchdog group Media Matters credited with being one of 20 so-called right-wing media fixtures responsible for Trump's nomination in 2016.

[00:04:49] And that stemmed back from the aforementioned Donald Trump Jr.

[00:04:52] Now the media just blew that up.

[00:04:55] Well, and the proof is Hillary even said, hey, you know, and then they tell us that we're the nexus of anti-government hate in America and everything else.

[00:05:03] But they say we're nobody when they want to attack us, James.

[00:05:06] Then when they want to go ahead and not get libel and slander against them, they say we're super celebrities, right?

[00:05:12] Well, the left has always done that.

[00:05:14] They have always warped reality to fit with whatever narrative or purpose they need at the time.

[00:05:20] If they needed us to play an oversized role to try to damage Trump, they could inflate us.

[00:05:26] If they want to dismiss us, we're just these tiny things.

[00:05:30] We are at once the reason Trump won 2016 and nonexistent.

[00:05:35] So you can reconcile that.

[00:05:37] The nexus of hate, according to Congress or congressional hearing.

[00:05:43] But in any event, where was I going with that with regards to the media?

[00:05:52] Well, and two, I mean, we are in touch with a lot of people who are a phone call away from people in the administration.

[00:05:58] So Trump should certainly work more with people who have either supported him or at least given him an objective hearing versus people like the morning Joe.

[00:06:12] That has always been a problem with his.

[00:06:13] We said going back to 16, why are you allowing all of these people who just incessantly attack you?

[00:06:19] Why not do your part as the president?

[00:06:21] Why would you meet with morning Joe and Mika?

[00:06:22] I mean, why would you even do that?

[00:06:25] And he has reached out.

[00:06:26] Even the liberals that love morning Joe and Mika are attacking them for meeting with Trump even.

[00:06:31] That's right.

[00:06:33] Yeah, that's exactly right.

[00:06:34] So it didn't really make sense for either party.

[00:06:36] And he has done more alternative media.

[00:06:38] I mean, some people said going on Rogan is what turned the whole thing for him.

[00:06:42] Well, that's right.

[00:06:43] The only thing I can say for Donald is at least he held the moral high ground.

[00:06:46] He says, hey, if they want to come crawling back, I'll be nice to them.

[00:06:50] Being magnanimous.

[00:06:51] Yes.

[00:06:52] It is.

[00:06:53] But still, though, you know, and you could say, well, hey, you know what, Sam, you're a nobody.

[00:06:57] You don't matter.

[00:06:58] And James, you're a nobody.

[00:06:59] You don't matter.

[00:07:00] And my response is so Hillary Clinton attacks us in 2016.

[00:07:02] And Donald Trump Jr. comes on the radio with us.

[00:07:06] They solicited that appearance.

[00:07:08] One of the most iconic interviews he's ever done.

[00:07:10] They solicited the appearance.

[00:07:12] And I'm thinking, if we're nobodies, why would all that be culminating, James?

[00:07:16] If we're nobodies, how does that all happen?

[00:07:18] Hillary calls you out.

[00:07:20] Donald Trump Jr. comes on our show.

[00:07:22] It becomes the biggest iconic interview he's ever done in terms of craziness where he had to distance himself from it and everything else.

[00:07:28] And you look at that and we're these nobodies, right?

[00:07:32] I'm going to pull a headline up.

[00:07:35] Hold on.

[00:07:35] I'm typing.

[00:07:36] Okay.

[00:07:36] While you get that, we're going to skip the break.

[00:07:39] But I want to point Liz to the test folder.

[00:07:42] Sheriff Richard Mack on Steve Bannon.

[00:07:43] I want to play a little bit of this clip because there was a journalist.

[00:07:47] He's from Wired Magazine.

[00:07:48] And he just emailed Richard Mack and said, hey, I want to interview you for this thing.

[00:07:52] He did the hack piece on us just recently.

[00:07:54] But here's the reason that I point this out.

[00:07:57] He said, I talked to a sheriff that said, you're a nobody.

[00:07:59] Nobody listens to you, Sheriff Mack.

[00:08:00] You're irrelevant as get out.

[00:08:02] So, you know, what do you want to respond to that?

[00:08:04] Sheriff Mack wrote 18 points that we covered on the radio yesterday highlighting how relevant we really are and why.

[00:08:10] One of them was this clip.

[00:08:12] I want you to hear what Steve Bannon says.

[00:08:15] And this is interesting about Richard Mack and the CSPOA.

[00:08:19] Now, I'm not saying that there's not a lot of people involved in the CSPOA.

[00:08:22] But if there's Richard Mack and then there's me, the CEO, we're the two faces of the CSPOA.

[00:08:27] Nobody else is even I mean, there's a lot of members and everything else, but nobody else is involved in the leadership to the degree that that I am.

[00:08:34] The goal isn't to promote me.

[00:08:35] But the goal is to highlight when they say we're nobody's.

[00:08:38] Here's what happened on the Steve Bannon show.

[00:08:42] Sheriff Mack, by the way, good call the other day, sir.

[00:08:45] I know the president thinks very highly of you and your organization.

[00:08:50] Sure, he took that to heart in this decision.

[00:08:54] Walk me through.

[00:08:55] Your complaints were.

[00:08:56] So he goes on and talks about, hey, how we pushed to get rid of this Chad Chronister thug Florida sheriff.

[00:09:02] And we pushed against him.

[00:09:03] We were the only real organization to push against this guy in a meaningful way.

[00:09:06] And we got that guy shut down.

[00:09:07] Now you can say, well, Sam, it wasn't just you.

[00:09:09] It was a bunch of other people.

[00:09:10] Fine.

[00:09:10] I'm not trying to take singular credit.

[00:09:12] But I will say enough credit to say this.

[00:09:14] Hey, man, Donald Trump literally told Steve Bannon unless he's lying on the air.

[00:09:18] I'm proud of him.

[00:09:19] Thank them.

[00:09:19] And we influenced his decision to pull that nomination.

[00:09:23] That from a bunch of nobodies, James.

[00:09:25] Well, and this goes back to 16.

[00:09:27] You brought up the Trump Jr. interview.

[00:09:29] The headline in the Washington Post, folks, you can look this up for yourself.

[00:09:34] March 4th, 2016, the headline reads in the Washington Post is second only to the New York Times in terms of political influence in the United States.

[00:09:43] It's the New York Times and the Washington Post with the two newspapers of record for this country.

[00:09:48] This is just one of hundreds of articles about that interview you mentioned.

[00:09:53] But the headline reads, Donald Trump Jr. stumbles out of father's shadow and into the spotlight with interview.

[00:10:00] And the interview was the interview that you and I had, Sam.

[00:10:02] So the Washington Post is saying Donald Trump Jr. only became a figure after that interview with us.

[00:10:09] But the thing is, I truly am a collectivist when it comes to this and not an individualist.

[00:10:18] What matters most is the cause.

[00:10:20] But I think the bigger point here is the media is reeling right now.

[00:10:24] The new media has taken center stage.

[00:10:27] And Trump could really help break their backs, maybe even once and for all, by breaking up their power, by not inviting.

[00:10:37] And if not us, just other people who are objectively searching for the truth.

[00:10:44] Put them in the White House press room.

[00:10:46] He has flirted with doing that.

[00:10:47] It could just be a taunt.

[00:10:49] But why invite the Washington Post?

[00:10:52] Why invite ABC, NBC, CNN, all of these people who have done nothing?

[00:10:56] And I mean, when I say nothing, that is not an exaggeration to say there has not been one positive comment,

[00:11:01] much less an interview or a news piece or a radio or television hit from any of the establishment media about Trump in 10 years, not one.

[00:11:10] Populate your newsroom, your White House press room with alternative media outlets.

[00:11:18] If not us, that's fine.

[00:11:19] Someone else.

[00:11:20] And you're going to do a lot more to further freedom of speech in this society than maybe anyone in the last century.

[00:11:33] March 4th, 2016, Donald Trump Jr. stumbles out of father's shadow and into the spotlight with white nationalist interview.

[00:11:46] I find that very fascinating because Trump and team melted down at the time because they didn't want to be considered white nationalists.

[00:11:55] They're like, hey, we don't associate with anybody that's a bad guy.

[00:11:57] They tried to paint me as a white nationalist.

[00:11:59] I pushed back CNN, finally got the story right.

[00:12:02] Donald Trump Jr. later said this interview is going to haunt me for the rest of my life.

[00:12:06] How does all that happen with these nobodies running around, James?

[00:12:09] These worthless nobodies that have like one listener and such, right?

[00:12:13] Come on.

[00:12:14] This is interesting is – hold on.

[00:12:17] I've got to find this.

[00:12:18] This is interesting.

[00:12:19] He actually said the exact word was it would follow him for the rest of his life,

[00:12:23] but I'm sure he meant that in a nightmarish context.

[00:12:27] Well, maybe he meant that in a positive view.

[00:12:29] Maybe he was just loving on us.

[00:12:31] But then why don't I have his phone number and all these liberals do is what I would ask.

[00:12:39] I think the context of that particular interview was a national news interview when it got brought up again after the election in 2016.

[00:12:47] They asked him about it.

[00:12:48] But this is interesting.

[00:12:50] Go to Donald Trump Jr.'s Wikipedia page, his official Wikipedia page,

[00:12:55] and there is a subcategory called race and immigration,

[00:13:01] and it reads on March 1, 2016, in an interview with James Edwards and Trump Jr.,

[00:13:10] the campaign initially denied the interview had taken place, Trump Jr., even though they solicited it.

[00:13:19] But in any event, this is the key thing.

[00:13:21] And this is the most ridiculous thing to do.

[00:13:23] How do you deny the interview takes place, first of all?

[00:13:26] Okay, you can literally listen to James and Jr. interact, number one.

[00:13:29] Number two, how do they – and I'm not trying to get credit for this, but I'm making a point.

[00:13:33] How do they leave me out of that?

[00:13:35] It was my show, for crying out loud.

[00:13:38] I was the core host.

[00:13:39] Now, I'm not trying to make me important.

[00:13:41] What I'm trying to get across is this is the way the mainstream press manipulates it.

[00:13:45] So on CNN, they're saying, hey, Sam's a good guy.

[00:13:47] We retract.

[00:13:47] On the other hand, they're adding to this Wikipedia crap, oh, James and Jr.,

[00:13:52] and they leave me completely out, which is fine.

[00:13:54] I don't need the credit, but I'm making a point.

[00:13:57] How does that all work?

[00:13:58] Well, I think in that –

[00:14:00] If Sam's a nobody, maybe it's because all the media leaves me out.

[00:14:04] Why do they leave me out, James, do you think?

[00:14:07] Well, I think in the case of why they were trying to play up my part,

[00:14:11] which was a smaller part in that interview than yours,

[00:14:14] was the fact that they thought that it could harm Trump.

[00:14:16] They thought that there was so much out at that time.

[00:14:19] But this is my point.

[00:14:20] This is how dishonest the press really is.

[00:14:22] But Donald keeps going back to those same press people over and over and over.

[00:14:27] Well, see, that's the thing.

[00:14:28] I mean, if they had said – you know, he did an interview with a constitutionalist radio host, Sam Bushman.

[00:14:36] That doesn't get the thing as white supremacist, Nazi, you know, all the things that the SPLC had called him to see back at you.

[00:14:42] Here's the point.

[00:14:43] If you continue to leave me out of a thousand articles, just say, does it affect Sam's popularity?

[00:14:52] The answer is it does.

[00:14:54] Now, it isn't about Sam Bushman.

[00:14:55] My point is they make or break people in terms of how relevant they are in this narrative.

[00:15:03] The reason that I bring this up is we manage over and over and over to force their narrative different from what they want, James.

[00:15:10] Well, listen to this, Sam.

[00:15:12] I'm talking about relevance.

[00:15:13] And, again, this is so-called mainstream sources.

[00:15:16] We were talking about the Washington Post and now Wikipedia, the official Wikipedia page for Junior.

[00:15:22] It's just two of many examples we could cite.

[00:15:24] But this is the key part of that, what I was going to read.

[00:15:26] Go to his Wikipedia page right now.

[00:15:28] You'll find it.

[00:15:29] As a consequence of the interview, talking about the interview on Liberty Roundtable with Sam and me, and Kirk Crosby was on that one, too.

[00:15:38] As a consequence of the interview, mainstream media outlets have accused Trump Jr.

[00:15:44] of being either a believer in the white genocide conspiracy theory, because, and they call it that.

[00:15:51] We were talking about illegal immigration.

[00:15:52] So they're going to, or white genocide conspiracy theory.

[00:15:56] We didn't word it that way, of course, but everybody understands that.

[00:16:00] As a consequence of the interview, mainstream media outlets have accused Trump Jr.

[00:16:03] of either being a believer in the white genocide conspiracy theory or pretending to be an advocate for political gain.

[00:16:12] So in this piece, it questions whether or not he consciously made the appearance because they knew it would blow up

[00:16:21] and it would be a dog whistle to people who share these concerns, who are very marginalized in 2016, but not nearly as much now.

[00:16:28] All of this stuff has really gone mainstream.

[00:16:30] I mean, all of the stuff we were talking about years ago, you see now Charlie Kirk and establishment conservatives, even Fox in some cases.

[00:16:38] Tucker Carlson has taken it even further than me in a lot of things.

[00:16:41] So this has totally gone mainstream.

[00:16:42] But in 2016, it hadn't.

[00:16:44] But there was a very core group of people out there who really didn't have any representation and weren't engaged in the political process.

[00:16:52] And so they're saying, did he come on the show for political gain?

[00:16:57] And even though they maintain plausible deniability, that's the thing.

[00:17:00] So again, relevance.

[00:17:01] I'm going to take all the minutiae out from the New York Times or from the Washington Post or from the CNN or from the Wikipedia

[00:17:07] and all these clowns and from the Southern Party of the Los Angeles.

[00:17:11] I'm going to say this.

[00:17:12] What about this idea?

[00:17:13] What about Sam Bushman and James Edwards, a nationally syndicated talk show hosts, whose stature is so big,

[00:17:20] they have to put on the congressional record that we're the nexus.

[00:17:24] They use that word, the nexus.

[00:17:25] It sits on the congressional record.

[00:17:27] I call my congressman to say this shouldn't be.

[00:17:29] And my congressman says I can do nothing for you.

[00:17:34] I'm pausing to let that sink in, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:17:36] And then we sit here and go, okay, so they're so irrelevant that Steve Bannon praises the CSPOA and Sam Bushman.

[00:17:45] He didn't say Sam Bushman by name.

[00:17:46] He just said Richard Mack because that's who was on with him and your organization.

[00:17:49] But I don't see how you praise the organization without including me.

[00:17:52] I mean, I'm the CEO.

[00:17:54] Otherwise, you might as well just praise Mack and not mention the organization.

[00:17:57] Nevertheless, we get praised directly from the president through Steve Bannon.

[00:18:01] Donald Trump Jr. appears on the show.

[00:18:04] Okay.

[00:18:04] We're nobodies.

[00:18:05] But here's the interesting thing.

[00:18:07] We seem to somehow be at the center of everything that happens in America almost in a meaningful, productive way.

[00:18:17] Charlottesville.

[00:18:18] I mean, I literally helped you anchor and run that whole show.

[00:18:23] We had people on the ground there during the event, after the fact, everything else.

[00:18:27] You take January the 6th.

[00:18:29] I literally couldn't interview people on the air at the time because they jammed all the phones.

[00:18:33] But the next day, we had Victoria on and others who were literally in the rally.

[00:18:38] She got beat up by the cops and everything else.

[00:18:41] We've had those people on.

[00:18:42] We've managed to be...

[00:18:44] Well, let's just take this example.

[00:18:46] Antifa's getting their head handed to them and they're going to jail.

[00:18:49] Oh, man, they attack our own reporter.

[00:18:53] Think about that.

[00:18:53] They attack our own Casey Whalen.

[00:18:56] He's been on Liberty News Radio for quite some time as a colleague and a reporter and a filmmaker and an investigative journalist.

[00:19:04] Okay.

[00:19:04] It seems like every single story somehow, we're in the center of it.

[00:19:08] You get this Chad Chronister that gets shut down.

[00:19:10] He's called for the DEA and then they back off and shut him down.

[00:19:13] We wrote a press release and then get credit for being the ones to change Trump's decision.

[00:19:19] It isn't about Sam Bushman.

[00:19:21] It is about the work we're all doing together, James.

[00:19:23] And I'm telling you, isn't it shocking how every time this tiny network on pennies has literally got a hand in almost every story of significance?

[00:19:32] It's amazing.

[00:19:33] You listed just a couple of examples off the top of your head.

[00:19:39] There are dozens of examples like that over the years of this network punching above its weight class or at least its economic class.

[00:19:48] And I think that this network and Sam, what you've done with this network and your program between the two of us, we're about 50 years collectively on the radio.

[00:19:59] You're pushing 30 and I'm in my 20th right now.

[00:20:02] And, you know, you were really, I think, one of the first ones over the wall in terms of this new era of alternative media.

[00:20:10] And, you know, we've absorbed some punishing damage for many years while others were able to get into position.

[00:20:15] And I think it's important to make the enemy spend its ordinance.

[00:20:21] And every time they have to attack people with these hysterical terms, it becomes more numbing to the public.

[00:20:28] I mean, and by that I mean the general public just gets more and more used to it and it loses its stigma.

[00:20:33] It loses its potency until now where, you know, when somebody calls you the things they were calling us in 2016 and before, people just disregard it almost entirely now.

[00:20:43] And as well they should because it's not true.

[00:20:45] It's not honest.

[00:20:46] But now conservative media is sounding a lot more like Sam Bushman.

[00:20:52] And, you know, the...

[00:20:55] That's because they listen to our shows.

[00:20:57] They pretend they don't.

[00:20:58] But, I mean, even Steve Bannon comes out of the gate now saying, in the year of our Lord in 2024, wonder where we got that from.

[00:21:03] I mean, I'm telling you, I've been the only one saying that for literally three decades, buddy.

[00:21:08] But look, I mean, you said before, I mean, you did have...

[00:21:12] We were at the Republican National Convention in 2016.

[00:21:15] Yes.

[00:21:15] You had a parade.

[00:21:16] You had a parade.

[00:21:16] Water, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:21:18] A parade of not just there, but that whole year.

[00:21:21] Literally they were, right?

[00:21:22] Well, they did.

[00:21:23] And we ate there and sat at the table and sat at their anchor desk, actually.

[00:21:27] I even busted out and got a photo in the CNN booth, man.

[00:21:29] We did.

[00:21:30] I got it.

[00:21:30] I've got it here, actually.

[00:21:32] I still got it on my desktop.

[00:21:33] But after that, before, during, and after that, that whole year, you had on a parade of surrogates that would rival any network.

[00:21:43] But you're saying that some of that's changed, I think, maybe for one reason.

[00:21:49] Now everybody's saying what we're saying, and so it just, I mean, there's a lot more places to go, maybe.

[00:21:54] But the, I mean, you were just talking about Mac with Bannon.

[00:21:56] I mean, Bannon ran Trump's campaign in 2016.

[00:22:00] And you're talking about just in the last few days, that sort of access and totally different from eight years ago.

[00:22:07] Yeah, so with that blow up with Donald Trump Jr. and stuff, Steve Bannon had to be aware of that, right?

[00:22:13] Well, I mean, they've all been through a lot.

[00:22:16] I mean, Bannon went to prison, and who knows what people remember, and that was a long time ago now.

[00:22:21] Well, I don't think Bannon should have went to prison.

[00:22:22] I think they ought to give reparations to people like Bannon who went to prison wrongfully.

[00:22:26] Otherwise, hey, you know, you've got Maricas, and you've got some of these other clowns that, you know,

[00:22:32] others that have ignored court subpoenas, and they're not going to jail.

[00:22:36] Well, you know what?

[00:22:37] God's will be done.

[00:22:38] And I believe this.

[00:22:39] I think had Trump won re-election, you would have seen more of the same.

[00:22:43] Had he won re-election in 2020, you would have seen more of a disappointing administration.

[00:22:48] I think it has been good.

[00:22:50] God uses crises sometimes to harden us.

[00:22:54] And I think to have people like this who have seen how diabolically evil the left is in terms of going after their enemies,

[00:23:04] I think it's good now that you've got these people like Bannon who perhaps have been made tougher.

[00:23:08] And if Donald Trump goes in there with a righteous sense of vengeance, and there can be a righteous sense of vengeance.

[00:23:16] Amen.

[00:23:17] I agree.

[00:23:18] And go in there and really deal with these people.

[00:23:21] I don't know.

[00:23:21] I know that that wouldn't have happened in 2020.

[00:23:23] I think now you have a punished Trump re-esuming the White House.

[00:23:29] He may really go after these people.

[00:23:31] Well, that is actually one of the best scenes in all of TV, in all of movie history,

[00:23:36] when Wyatt Earp has that reckoning at the end of the 1993 movie Tombstone.

[00:23:42] And, you know, so maybe something like that, but without the murders.

[00:23:45] But we're not suggesting murder.

[00:23:48] We're just saying, hey, prosecute to the fullest, extend the law, let's get her done.

[00:23:51] Now, I find this interesting, though, ladies and gentlemen,

[00:23:53] and the goal isn't to just be on the radio and tell you how awesome Sam or James are.

[00:23:56] What we're trying to get across is how the media has changed and how true reporting is starting to matter.

[00:24:02] The who, what, when, where, why of a story.

[00:24:04] And we're kind of chiding people in our camp like Trump.

[00:24:09] How does Stephanie Ruhle get his phone number?

[00:24:11] How does Mika and Joe just call up Donald?

[00:24:15] Okay.

[00:24:16] And, you know, hey, if Donald Trump stumbled out of his father's shadow,

[00:24:19] there's a good chance he'll be the presidential nominee in 2028 even.

[00:24:22] I guess we broke that story, didn't we?

[00:24:24] Not to mention we are live at the Ammon Bundy takeover of the National Wildlife Refuge.

[00:24:28] We didn't take part in it, but nevertheless, we were at that as well.

[00:24:33] I'm just telling you, we're everywhere, baby.

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[00:31:08] I don't care.

[00:31:10] What I want for Christmas is to abolish the IRS.

[00:31:12] Shut that sucker right on down.

[00:31:14] It's been a criminal enterprise for decades, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:31:17] Judge, jury, and executioner got to stop that.

[00:31:19] Hopefully, Cash and the Donald can go ahead and get her done.

[00:31:22] I'm telling you that right now.

[00:31:24] Anyway, they say Donald Trump stumbles out of his father's shadow.

[00:31:27] That's because he came on Liberty Roundtable Live with Sam and James.

[00:31:32] I'm just saying, welcome, Donald.

[00:31:34] We love you, brother.

[00:31:35] I don't know that you should be hesitant to double down with us.

[00:31:40] What you need to do is tell those folks to fly a kite.

[00:31:42] The new media is taking center stage, and you're willing to join us anytime.

[00:31:46] That's what you need to tell them.

[00:31:47] And then when they push back, just send them to Sam Bushman,

[00:31:49] and I can talk to these clowns for you, buddy.

[00:31:51] I'll get her done.

[00:31:52] I'll take those people on like you've never seen in your entire life, my friend.

[00:31:56] By the way, I'm taking on a sheriff right now.

[00:31:58] His name is Chad, Chad Bianco.

[00:32:01] He's the California Riverside Sheriff there,

[00:32:05] and he's been beating up a gentleman by the name of Ven Miller.

[00:32:08] And the problem is Ven's got all the video footage and everything else,

[00:32:12] and so all the lies are being exposed one by one that Chad's telling.

[00:32:15] The sheriff's out of control over there.

[00:32:17] And he's mad at me because he says I'm taking Ven's side.

[00:32:20] And my response is I'm just responsible to drive all facts to ground, Sheriff.

[00:32:24] I'm not here to pick sides.

[00:32:26] You know, if Ven's guilty of something, prosecute.

[00:32:29] So he says, well, there's gun charges.

[00:32:30] There's this.

[00:32:31] I called up the docket myself.

[00:32:33] There ain't no gun charges.

[00:32:35] He's lying to you, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:32:37] He's not telling you the truth.

[00:32:38] Fact is, they've still got it under review.

[00:32:42] They haven't filed any charges at all.

[00:32:44] So when the sheriff says there's charges, he's lying.

[00:32:46] In the mainstream press, they have all kinds of lies about Ven Miller.

[00:32:49] And I'm here to defend the innocent, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:32:52] Ven is innocent until proven guilty.

[00:32:54] So far, there's not even charges.

[00:32:55] How do you prove him guilty?

[00:32:57] The sheriff needs to be honorable and tell the truth.

[00:32:59] Now, I get that the sheriff was put in a bad spot.

[00:33:02] And I feel bad about that.

[00:33:04] And I get that he overreached.

[00:33:05] And he shouldn't have done it.

[00:33:06] But I also think he could have quickly dismissed this by admitting, hey, you know what?

[00:33:09] We were so scared that somebody might try to assassinate Trump.

[00:33:14] We kind of went a little bit overboard.

[00:33:16] We're so sorry.

[00:33:16] We apologize to this gentleman.

[00:33:18] No harm, no foul.

[00:33:19] We could have got out of this easily.

[00:33:22] But the problem is the sheriff wants to take his, what, fame?

[00:33:29] National.

[00:33:30] And so he's using this as a stepping stone.

[00:33:32] And he's not going to get away with it.

[00:33:34] We're going to stop him.

[00:33:35] It's not happening.

[00:33:36] Okay?

[00:33:36] And the problem is this sheriff has so much pride that he won't even back off.

[00:33:42] So we're going to go ahead and take that to the next level.

[00:33:45] I'll keep an eye on that ball just for you.

[00:33:46] We're going to have a two-hour episode with Vem Miller on.

[00:33:49] And Vem's agreed to come on the radio with me.

[00:33:52] The sheriff chickened out and said, why would I do that?

[00:33:54] You've already picked Vem's side.

[00:33:55] And it would be a waste of my time.

[00:33:57] And my response to that is, sheriff, we can either do the show without you or with you.

[00:34:01] You can either tell your side of the story or not.

[00:34:03] It's up to you.

[00:34:04] The problem is he doesn't have a side of the story worth telling because he basically, I said,

[00:34:10] hey, did you say this, sheriff, that Vem Miller was trying to assassinate the president?

[00:34:14] He said no.

[00:34:15] And I sent him back the soundbite where he said it.

[00:34:17] He said, whose soundbite is this?

[00:34:18] Is this you or not?

[00:34:20] And he hasn't answered me.

[00:34:22] Then I basically sent him a mainstream press article, LA Times.

[00:34:25] And I said, hey, sheriff, they're claiming you said this.

[00:34:28] Are you saying the LA Times is lying?

[00:34:30] Because if they're lying, maybe me and you should sue them.

[00:34:32] If they're telling the truth, though, you're going to have to admit it.

[00:34:35] Which is it?

[00:34:36] I still don't have an answer from the good sheriff on that either.

[00:34:39] So see, that's the problem, folks.

[00:34:40] We want to defend the constitutional sheriff when they're honorable.

[00:34:44] But when they're not, when they're too full of pride, when they want to move their, quote, fame to the next level or whatever and take their campaigns national,

[00:34:52] we don't seek for power, people.

[00:34:53] We seek to pull it down.

[00:34:55] Got it?

[00:34:56] Good.

[00:34:57] Anyway, I digress a little bit, but I wanted to hammer these things home.

[00:35:00] We're at the center of all the critical stories happening in the country, that's for sure, including this one.

[00:35:04] Senate Democrats are moving to try to abolish the Electoral College after their party suffered defeats up and down the ballot in November, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:35:14] I guess they call members of the Senate Judiciary Committee released what they call SJRES 121 on December 12th, which proposes a constitutional amendment, ladies and gentlemen, to do away with the Electoral College completely altogether and go to a, quote, single national popular vote system.

[00:35:40] It's a disgrace what's going on here.

[00:35:44] They don't like the laws, so they're trying to manipulate and change them.

[00:35:47] They'll never get very far on this right now, but it is a threat.

[00:35:51] Hopefully it'll just be shut down before the end of the year, but we are in a lame duck session.

[00:35:54] James?

[00:35:56] Well, it's always interesting to watch the Democrats at work because when they had control of Congress,

[00:36:02] one of the things that they were talking about needing to have done and certainly one of the things that they would have done had Kamala Harris won and the Democrats had taken back the House and kept control of the Senate,

[00:36:20] you would have seen, I think, almost certainly them move to abolish the filibuster.

[00:36:26] Now, with the election turning back the way it did, and this is related to what you're talking about, they don't like the Electoral College now either.

[00:36:34] They might not even like the popular vote anymore because they lost that too.

[00:36:38] But I think you're going to see them fall in love with the filibuster now.

[00:36:42] When the Republicans were using the filibuster to block Biden's agenda, it was an archaic tool of white supremacy and a threat to democracy.

[00:36:51] But now that the Democrats are back in the minority and they are struggling in Senate races,

[00:36:57] they're not going to hesitate to use the filibuster to obstruct Trump's agenda.

[00:37:02] And the Senate has been a graveyard for legislation for over a decade, and that's unlikely to change in Trump's second term.

[00:37:08] He's going to have to use budget reconciliation bills to pass his agenda.

[00:37:12] But here's one thing I wanted to tell you, Sam, that I don't think anybody else is looking at really right now,

[00:37:18] and that is what does the future look like, especially now that you've got Hispanics breaking for Trump.

[00:37:25] I think the conventional thinking of conservatives was that it's just a matter of time before demographic displacement makes it

[00:37:37] where a Republican can never win the United States ever again because you're having all of these people coming in,

[00:37:44] and it's like a voter registration drive for the Democratic Party, these people that are coming in from third world places.

[00:37:53] But now the left went so woke, the Hispanics are breaking for the Republicans.

[00:37:58] But bigger than that is this.

[00:38:01] Think about this.

[00:38:02] I haven't seen this talked about anywhere else.

[00:38:05] Maybe it has been.

[00:38:06] I haven't seen it.

[00:38:07] But I think by 2032, let's say, that a Democratic nominee for president won't even be able to win the Electoral College

[00:38:17] even after winning all three so-called blue-wall states due to reapportionment.

[00:38:26] So Florida is already larger than New York, and the South already has a population twice the size of the Northeast.

[00:38:33] So more people now live in the South than in the Northeast and Midwest combined because, of course, COVID accelerated the exodus from the blue states.

[00:38:43] So that gives more Electoral College weight to red states.

[00:38:47] And so I think, you know, you might begin to imagine sort of a Gilded Age Part II but set in the Sun Belt,

[00:38:54] which is rapidly becoming the dominant region of the country.

[00:38:56] You already have Tesla, SpaceX, and Twitter are now based in Texas.

[00:39:02] And the demographics of the Northeast were irreversibly changed by the migration of conservatives out of the blue and into the red.

[00:39:11] So the reds are going to have more Electoral College weight in the future.

[00:39:16] And as the North and the blue states become less populated, it may be impossible for a Democrat to win the presidency in the future.

[00:39:24] Everything has been turned on its head since 2020 because of wokeism and COVID.

[00:39:29] And the left was too clever by half, and it's going to come back and maybe render them impotent for a generation to come.

[00:39:38] We'll see.

[00:39:39] I mean, that's a best-case scenario.

[00:39:40] We'll see what happens.

[00:39:41] One of the things that needs to happen, too, though, is they need to do a census between now and the next election.

[00:39:49] But that needs to happen because you guys could be appropriated a bunch more congressmen as well.

[00:39:55] Well, exactly.

[00:39:56] Exactly.

[00:39:56] Yeah.

[00:39:57] So you're going to have a more Electoral College weight, and you're going to have more congressmen.

[00:40:03] Yeah.

[00:40:03] So it's just, again, because the left went so radical, it's come back.

[00:40:07] So if we can stop the illegal immigration from turning it blue, we might have a red surge, huh?

[00:40:14] I think it's looking inevitable.

[00:40:17] It just took a...

[00:40:18] But the race is on.

[00:40:18] If they import too many blues, then it'll circumvent it, right?

[00:40:23] Well, I mean, again, the blues are content to stay in New York and California, it looks like.

[00:40:29] And again, even with immigration, the Hispanics are going conservative now.

[00:40:33] So it took about four years for all this to flesh out.

[00:40:36] But the left was so radical, it's come back to really hurt them.

[00:40:40] You know, and I don't know if that's a good thing because the Republicans would love to go back.

[00:40:44] We'll see what happens with the Republican Party post-Trump, but they would love to go back, I'm sure, and just become milquetoast.

[00:40:52] No, they better double down.

[00:40:54] Even Mitt Romney now admitting that, hey, you know, the party's gone MAGA, so there you have it.

[00:40:59] Good riddance.

[00:41:00] Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord splits you, Mitt Romney.

[00:41:03] We're glad you're the heck out of there.

[00:41:05] You manipulated it.

[00:41:06] You were a carpetbagger in Utah in the first place and everything else.

[00:41:09] What a disgrace.

[00:41:10] Nevertheless, there's several things that you ought to know about before the end of the hour that I want to highlight and get James' take on.

[00:41:15] Headline says this, few Trump picks have been met with more enthusiasm from supporters than this one, the one of Harmy Dillon,

[00:41:24] who President-elect Donald Trump selected to run the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division.

[00:41:34] Now, this is interesting because Harmy Dillon, it's a lady, has a lot of experience as an attorney.

[00:41:40] She's defended families against the same-sex, or I'm sorry, transgender mutilations and everything else.

[00:41:49] And so she's done a pretty good job, and so she's the pick.

[00:41:52] Everybody's excited about her.

[00:41:53] I got my own personal running with her, though, James.

[00:41:57] Do tell.

[00:41:57] Remember how we're at the center of every story on the planet?

[00:41:59] Oh, yeah.

[00:42:01] Okay, so now she's announced everybody thinks she's awesome.

[00:42:03] Here's what happened.

[00:42:04] She said that they were attacking Donald Trump, and people have been wronged, and this and that, and everything, and that she was going to take this case.

[00:42:12] And anyway, I approached her and called her and said, hey, I'd like to participate in the case.

[00:42:16] I've been wronged by the Southern Poverty Law Center and wronged by all these people just like Trump has.

[00:42:21] And, you know, my buddy James Edwards has been defamed and everything else.

[00:42:26] And, you know, they claim we're celebrities, and so it doesn't count, and this and that.

[00:42:29] And at first she ignored me and everything else, and then she kind of engaged with me, and we had a couple of emails back and forth.

[00:42:34] But at the end of the day, she just said, you know what?

[00:42:36] Go somewhere else for help.

[00:42:38] I can't help you.

[00:42:38] I don't want to talk to you.

[00:42:39] And then I said, well, hold on.

[00:42:40] You don't understand.

[00:42:41] Do I get to tell you the rest of my story?

[00:42:42] And she basically just shined me on and rudely said, go away.

[00:42:46] You're nobody.

[00:42:50] Well, again, I mean, we can be whoever they need us.

[00:42:53] We can be whoever anyone needs us to be.

[00:42:55] We can be villains.

[00:42:56] We can be really big.

[00:42:58] We can be really small.

[00:43:00] We are shapeshifters in that regard.

[00:43:03] Well, I'm just a truth teller.

[00:43:04] That's all it is for me, and so that's why I'm telling you this about her.

[00:43:06] So I'm not saying that she would be a bad pick.

[00:43:09] She might actually accomplish quite a bit.

[00:43:12] I'm just telling you that I don't like these rock star people.

[00:43:14] You can't get a hold of them.

[00:43:16] When you do, they treat you like nobody.

[00:43:17] And I'll give you another quick story to make the point.

[00:43:20] I met a doctor who sells a lot of products.

[00:43:23] And when I first met him, he didn't know who I was because I didn't announce who I was.

[00:43:29] I just walked up out of the blue, out of the crowd, and said, hey, I'm learning about your products.

[00:43:33] And he literally didn't have the time of day for me.

[00:43:36] He walked over and said, oh, hey, let me pass you off to this person.

[00:43:39] She can take care of you.

[00:43:40] Who is this again?

[00:43:42] A doctor.

[00:43:42] I don't want to name him.

[00:43:43] Okay.

[00:43:43] All right.

[00:43:44] All right.

[00:43:45] But so I was a nobody.

[00:43:47] So then I got past this person.

[00:43:48] And I just got some information left.

[00:43:50] And I thought, man, what a jerk.

[00:43:51] You know, I was going to tell him who I was and see if he wanted to do an interview and help promote him.

[00:43:55] And I was going to start taking his products.

[00:43:57] And I just I walked away thinking, I'm not I'm just not doing that.

[00:44:01] And he treated me kind of worse than a guy on the street.

[00:44:04] And I assume it's because he thought I was a blind person.

[00:44:07] He's just like, you know, hey, this blind nobody guy.

[00:44:09] I don't have time for this guy.

[00:44:10] I got to focus on people at my booth, you know, that's going to matter to me and everything else.

[00:44:14] Well, long story short, later, I met this guy under a different scenario.

[00:44:20] And I was broadcasting live at a booth for a convention.

[00:44:23] And I was one of the only people live there.

[00:44:25] And so, hey, I had all kinds of people around my booth.

[00:44:27] James, you've been there and you've seen people at the booths and stuff.

[00:44:31] There's a lot of people around and a lot of people watch.

[00:44:33] And anyway, so we're doing this show.

[00:44:36] He wants to be a guest on my show.

[00:44:38] And so, you know, I say, oh, well, let me come over and talk to him later and stuff like this.

[00:44:42] And so then I go over and talk to him and he sees me.

[00:44:46] And I don't think he remembered me from before.

[00:44:48] He must not have because he walked me into his booth.

[00:44:51] I was the rock star.

[00:44:53] He said, my head girl, Brandy, can make sure that you're set up with everything.

[00:44:57] And hey, this is Sam Bushman.

[00:44:58] And they're just being everybody in the staff.

[00:45:00] And I mean, buddy, I was a rock star of the parade then.

[00:45:03] Now, here's the point.

[00:45:05] Am I any different in either case, ladies and gentlemen?

[00:45:08] I think not.

[00:45:09] I think I'm just the same hard-hitting Sam Bushman that I've always been.

[00:45:13] And I'm the same in private as I am in public.

[00:45:15] And I don't believe in this rock star status stuff.

[00:45:17] I don't believe in this.

[00:45:18] Okay, so when Army treated me that way, I guarantee if she really understood who I was,

[00:45:23] and I'm not trying to say I'm important, but hey, man, just like that doctor,

[00:45:29] I think she would have treated me differently.

[00:45:31] But that's kind of what I mean.

[00:45:32] You find out people's characters when that happens.

[00:45:35] And so, you know, hey, Harmony Dillon, I hope the best for her.

[00:45:38] I'm not here to attack her.

[00:45:40] I am here to say, though, you know, we've got to get these people that have this mentality out.

[00:45:47] We can't have them involved because it's disaster.

[00:45:51] Because it's an attitude that they have that's the problem, right?

[00:45:55] Now, if I get introduced to Donald Trump as just a blind guy on the street, Trump won't give me the time of day.

[00:45:59] But if I get introduced as the guy that interviewed his son and took his son out of his shadow, now what is?

[00:46:05] That is a great point.

[00:46:07] I really love how you framed that discussion.

[00:46:13] And working together is essential if you want to accomplish anything.

[00:46:20] And I'm not saying any of us or anyone, you know, has a right or is good enough to be put on some sort of a short list of people who are kept in the loop or whatever.

[00:46:33] But what I do know is this.

[00:46:34] At the end of the day, I mean, we're talking about, you know, what is the reality of where we're at?

[00:46:41] And the reality is I'm the biggest nobody and you're the biggest nobody there ever was.

[00:46:46] The reality is that there is a tree here that has separate branches.

[00:46:52] And if you put it all together, you're dealing with enough people to to make a difference through your connection.

[00:47:00] I mean, to say you're connected, you're the CEO of the CSPOA, which is a vitally important organization that has made a lot of news and is working with elected officials.

[00:47:11] And obviously, Steve Bannon is, you know, complimenting Richard Mack on the air just this last week.

[00:47:16] And so that's an important organization.

[00:47:18] And then I network with with different organizations.

[00:47:22] But collectively, you have you're cooking with grease and it's important to build those relationships.

[00:47:30] And I have tried to do that throughout my career, Sam, to your point earlier about how you treat someone regardless of status or who they may or may not be.

[00:47:41] If somebody is sending five dollars in the last 20 years, they've heard from me.

[00:47:46] They've gotten either a thank you email or a note.

[00:47:48] And I always take the time to try to build relationships and grow the community, grow the the the I was going to say network.

[00:47:58] But I don't want people to think, you know, literally talking about the radio network, but to grow our circle of friends.

[00:48:05] And it's that's important, not just because it's the right thing to do or the golden rule or anything like that.

[00:48:10] But it's important if you want to win politically to to cast your net as wide as you can and try to bring as many people in as you can.

[00:48:16] And you do that in by establishing trust and building loyalty.

[00:48:21] And I think anybody who's actually worked with us, whether it's people like Congressman Steve King or or Steve Stockman or some of these other folks who have certainly been there and done that in Washington.

[00:48:33] I think it'd be very interesting to see, you know, to hear their personal recollections.

[00:48:38] Oh, I just got a little James out of the blue.

[00:48:40] You have it.

[00:48:41] Hey, Sam, do you want to do an interview with Trump's attorney, John Eastman?

[00:48:47] Yeah, I'll email back, see if we can put that together.

[00:48:49] Just saying, huh?

[00:48:50] While we're talking, that came in.

[00:48:52] Come on, sir.

[00:48:53] I kid you not.

[00:48:54] It's true.

[00:48:55] I promise.

[00:48:56] I don't want people.

[00:48:57] Yeah, I tell you.

[00:48:59] So there you have it.

[00:49:00] I like it.

[00:49:01] You wished it into being, Sam.

[00:49:02] We put it in.

[00:49:03] We're not trying to make ourselves rock stars, folks.

[00:49:06] What we're trying to say is that we make a difference.

[00:49:10] The new media is taking center stage.

[00:49:12] We do need your financial and otherwise support, though.

[00:49:15] I mean, every penny you give us.

[00:49:17] I've literally spent on my media career probably $2 million on the media.

[00:49:22] You know, compared to Musk, that's a nothing.

[00:49:24] But for me, that's the widow's might.

[00:49:26] I'll tell you that right now.

[00:49:27] And so we got to really realize who we are and the impact we're having.

[00:49:30] And you're getting a lot of impact with who we are and what we do.

[00:49:33] That's what we're really trying to tell you.

[00:49:34] And we're trying to tell you that we're involved in some meaningful ways.

[00:49:37] That's why we're getting attacked.

[00:49:39] But we're upping our game with my new video shorts.

[00:49:42] We're upping the game with what's going to be happening in 2025.

[00:49:45] For example, James, I don't know if you know this, but Argentinian president.

[00:49:48] We've been liking him because he's the guy that said he was going to cut taxes 90% in his country.

[00:49:53] He's the guy that's turned this thing around.

[00:49:55] His name is Javier Millet, I think that's how you say it.

[00:49:58] He confirmed on Tuesday that he will be at the Donald Trump inauguration on January the 20th.

[00:50:04] He's coming.

[00:50:06] I think this is an excellent case study in what can be done with regards to an economic turnaround.

[00:50:14] I mean, what that guy has done down there is almost unbelievable.

[00:50:20] It is.

[00:50:20] It's incredible.

[00:50:21] And what one man can do, another can do.

[00:50:23] So we'll see.

[00:50:25] Well, if Donald Trump's trying to decide he's going to go ahead in that venue,

[00:50:29] hey, having that guy show up at the inauguration and maybe sitting down with that guy,

[00:50:34] have good old Vivek and Musk sit down with Javier and they can go ahead and chat for a little bit.

[00:50:40] That would be pretty wise.

[00:50:41] What do you think of that?

[00:50:42] I hope I can be the guy to set that meeting up, James.

[00:50:45] I got to say, I mean, it's not perfect.

[00:50:48] And too often times we, not we, not me and you, but people in general,

[00:50:53] let perfect be the enemy of the good.

[00:50:55] But I certainly like, I mean, you were talking about Kash Patel earlier.

[00:50:59] This guy coming up to the inauguration, I certainly like the, while it's short of perfect,

[00:51:07] I certainly like the people Trump is surrounding himself with and stalking his administration with much more now than I did last time.

[00:51:14] Well, it's better than last time for sure.

[00:51:16] And I want to hammer this point home before the end of the show.

[00:51:18] You alluded to it, James, but I want to give it full voice before the end of the hour.

[00:51:22] And that is this.

[00:51:23] You said, hey, you know, if Trump got elected right after the first time, two terms in a row,

[00:51:27] his impact would have been minimal.

[00:51:28] It just would have been kind of more of the same ho-hum, attack, minimalistic, a combo.

[00:51:32] But with the break in between and people seeing how evil some of these people are and everything else,

[00:51:38] and for Trump to kind of reassess, hey, he got betrayed by the deep state the first time,

[00:51:42] and he's not going to let that happen again.

[00:51:44] And I talked to a gentleman, a former FBI agent just last night about this.

[00:51:48] And he says, Sam, do you agree with me?

[00:51:50] Which is James's point that, hey, that break in the middle is going to give 10 times the mojo,

[00:51:55] 100 times the mojo to Trump than he had last time?

[00:51:58] And the answers are resounding yes, James, to both your points.

[00:52:01] I believe it.

[00:52:02] And, again, we're not going to get everything.

[00:52:05] Politics has got to be based in reality.

[00:52:07] But it will be interesting to see.

[00:52:11] And we're still in this honeymoon stage, I guess,

[00:52:14] and where our hopes can be projected upon this blank canvas that is this incoming administration

[00:52:21] come Inauguration Day and beyond.

[00:52:23] I guess we can brace ourselves for some disappointment.

[00:52:26] But I would love to see him clean house of some of these criminally corrupt organizations in the federal government.

[00:52:32] We'll start with these funding Planned Parenthood and abolishing the IRS.

[00:52:33] Come on.

[00:52:33] Well, what about – yes, and Elon – if Elon and Vivek can do any of the things that they're saying,

[00:52:40] we're going to be all better for it.

[00:52:42] All Americans are going to be better.

[00:52:43] And you saw Elon was saying, hey, Ron Paul, you want to come on and give me some pointers

[00:52:46] about how to trim the fat here in the – I mean, can you imagine?

[00:52:50] And now Rand Paul's sending out emails saying he's working with Vivek and Musk as well.

[00:52:55] So, see, I mean, you couldn't do – if they're serious, you couldn't do any better

[00:52:58] to arrest a bloated government spending than putting Ron Paul in there

[00:53:02] and getting him back off the bench, you know, out of retirement and back in the game

[00:53:07] in a hugely important capacity.

[00:53:09] And by the way, we were on an X Spaces event together a couple months ago.

[00:53:15] I remember that.

[00:53:16] Yeah, I sure do.

[00:53:16] I sure do.

[00:53:17] Just saying, nobody James, nobody Sam, just irrelevant as possibly –

[00:53:22] Richard Mackey, irrelevant as could be.

[00:53:24] We'll just run around with our irrelevance and see what we can get done, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:53:27] Well, speaking of –

[00:53:28] And we enlist your help.

[00:53:29] James?

[00:53:30] Vivek, you know, Vivek solicited the endorsement of Steve King.

[00:53:34] He asked Steve King to endorse him in Iowa, and they traveled the state together with Candace Owens.

[00:53:39] And I think about two weeks after that, back in February, I was in a broom closet with Steve King,

[00:53:47] and we were doing live radio from an event that we both spoke at in Orlando.

[00:53:50] And we had to go in the broom closet to get away from the noise, but we were live on this network.

[00:53:54] So, yeah, I mean, there are connections.

[00:53:56] We need to make more and work together for the greater good of all.

[00:54:00] I know this sounds like it was a James and Sam, you know, promotion of ourselves at Fest.

[00:54:05] We don't mean it to be.

[00:54:06] What we mean it to be is average Americans, and the impact they can make can never be underestimated.

[00:54:13] If you take that away, you've done right by the intent of our show today.

[00:54:18] Thanks for being alongside for the ride.

[00:54:19] We the people can and indeed will make a difference.

[00:54:22] How successful the Trump administration will be?

[00:54:25] Everybody's sitting back thinking they want to watch and find out?

[00:54:27] No, I think you need to get off your derriere and get involved and see how much impact you can have.

[00:54:33] Surrounded by people like Cash Patel, Donald Trump, Baveik Ramaswamy, Elon Musk, James Edwards, the list goes on and on and on.

[00:54:41] Let's see what impact you can have, huh?

[00:54:43] God save the republic.

[00:54:45] Thanks, James.

[00:54:46] Thanks, James.