Radio Show Hour 2 – 12/09/2024

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[00:00:36] Hour 2 of 2, the goal always is to promote God, family, and country, and to protect life, liberty, and property.

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[00:01:10] Hey, this hour with us, well-known commentator, talk to our host in his own right, and more.

[00:01:16] Lowell Nelson, CampaignForLiberty.org, RonPaulInstitute.org.

[00:01:21] Lowell, welcome back to Liberty Roundtable Live, sir.

[00:01:24] Thanks for having me, Sam.

[00:01:26] Good to be with you.

[00:01:27] When I think of the great article that Ron Paul wrote this week that we want to break down and discuss,

[00:01:32] I think of a couple of slogans that I've heard throughout my life.

[00:01:35] One is none dare call it conspiracy, and the other one is none dare call it treason.

[00:01:41] And I look at that and your headline, Lowell.

[00:01:46] Okay, Sam.

[00:01:48] Yeah, I was just finishing up another meeting there.

[00:01:51] Yeah, so Biden's parting shot at America.

[00:01:53] Is that the headline you were talking about?

[00:01:55] Yes, sir.

[00:01:57] And it reminds me of none dare call it treason, none dare call it conspiracy.

[00:02:00] How dare you, as president of the United States, create a parting shot at America,

[00:02:06] trying to put Donald Trump in a very difficult position when people's or children's lives could be at stake with this discussion?

[00:02:13] I mean, this is criminal.

[00:02:15] Oh, yes.

[00:02:16] I'm with you now.

[00:02:17] I'm up to speed on the point you're getting at, Sam.

[00:02:20] Yeah, I totally agree, right?

[00:02:23] Because it's treasonous what, in my opinion, it's fairly treasonous what he's doing.

[00:02:29] He's trying to put Trump in a very difficult position because he wants the armament manufacturers to be benefited by continual war.

[00:02:39] And so he's taking steps to basically ensure that we're going to maintain this state of war with multiple countries around the world.

[00:02:48] And it's horrible.

[00:02:51] And, you know, Ron makes this point that historically, during the lame duck period between the general election and when a new president gets inaugurated,

[00:03:04] that, you know, historically nothing really happens except that, you know, the outgoing administration basically sits back and begins, you know, letting go.

[00:03:18] And the new administration begins taking hold and, you know, getting their people in place, making the transition effective.

[00:03:25] And nothing eventful, you know, happens typically in November and December.

[00:03:31] And, of course, historically it used to be the case that inauguration occurred on March 4th.

[00:03:37] But the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution changed that date, moved it up to January 20 because, you know, travel and communication is much faster now than it was, you know, 200 years ago.

[00:03:52] So basically it was just two months of this lame duck presidency that usually is non-eventful.

[00:03:58] But the Biden administration has made it very eventful.

[00:04:03] You know, they have not gone quietly into the night.

[00:04:08] Quoting Ron Paul, it has run roughshod over the will of the American people.

[00:04:15] Whoever is running Biden has decided to Trump-proof foreign policy to bring us to the literal brink of World War III with Russia.

[00:04:23] And to top it off, Biden's people this past week have again unleashed al-Qaeda-linked rebels to wreak havoc in Syria.

[00:04:33] And a president doesn't have the authority to try to hobble or try to manipulate the next president's authority or whatever else.

[00:04:40] That's criminal.

[00:04:41] You don't have any authority to do any of that kind of stuff in the first place.

[00:04:46] Exactly, Sam.

[00:04:48] You know, and so it's so out of left field for him to do this.

[00:04:54] And it's dangerous.

[00:04:56] I mean, he argued in two years ago, he was in 2022.

[00:05:00] He was arguing that, quote, sending offensive weaponry and U.S. troops to fight on Ukraine's behalf, end quote, was tantamount to World War III.

[00:05:13] By the way, he was right then.

[00:05:17] Yeah, he was right.

[00:05:19] And he said, make no mistake, that's called World War III, end of quote.

[00:05:25] And so, yeah, so two years ago, he said, look, sending weaponry to fight on Ukraine's behalf, that's called World War III.

[00:05:34] And yet that's exactly what he's doing now, right?

[00:05:38] You know, allowing those mid-range ICBMs to be fired into Russian territory.

[00:05:44] It actually killed, I believe, six Russian soldiers.

[00:05:47] All right, but let's be very clear, though.

[00:05:49] So the Biden administration gave the green light to missile attacks on Russia from Ukraine.

[00:05:56] Now, we need to understand something, though.

[00:05:58] Not only is it he already said two years ago that it was like, you know, putting us into World War III if you gave weapons.

[00:06:03] But not only are we giving weapons, we're giving very highly unique, capable weapons.

[00:06:09] They're so highly complex and classified.

[00:06:12] They can only be, believe it or not, operated by U.S. or NATO personnel.

[00:06:16] Now, what that means, ladies and gentlemen, is not only have we put weapons in there, but we've escalated it further in how we have to put military officers in this war to run this high technology we've given them.

[00:06:28] You couldn't even imagine this stuff.

[00:06:30] So basically what we're saying is our troops are literally not foot on the ground in Russia.

[00:06:36] We're not foot on the ground, but they're literally now what?

[00:06:40] They're in the war.

[00:06:40] They're actively taking part in the war, not just giving weapons, but our people have to run these complicated missile technologies to even get them fired into Russia.

[00:06:51] So not only have we we've added insult to injury here, we've gone World War III on steroids, according to us two years ago comments, Lowell.

[00:06:59] Yeah, exactly right.

[00:07:01] Now, fortunately, Sam, five of those six missiles did no damage.

[00:07:06] They were taken out by Russian defensive forces.

[00:07:12] One of the six did hit a target, and that's the one that killed, I believe, six Russian soldiers.

[00:07:20] And that's terribly unfortunate because, you know, that, you know, would normally elicit a pretty severe response from Russia.

[00:07:30] And I just hope and pray that, you know, they will be more sensible than we are.

[00:07:37] And I also got news over the weekend, Sam, that we don't have – that the administration withdrew permission to fire additional medium-range missiles at Russia.

[00:07:52] Now, whether that's true or not, I don't know.

[00:07:54] But that was encouraging to see that Biden is pulling back on that, right?

[00:08:00] And we hope he is.

[00:08:02] What we don't know is that propaganda in the news.

[00:08:04] For example, Chuck Baldwin just wrote a column that says Trump picks a war cabinet.

[00:08:08] And so you got Jamie Dimon whispering in the ear of Donald Trump.

[00:08:12] You've also got Jerome Powell whispering in the ear of Donald Trump.

[00:08:18] The Federal Reserve is the biggest mechanism for pro-war that we can get.

[00:08:22] And we talked last hour with Dr. Scott Bradley how Pearl Harbor was intentionally created by FDR and others.

[00:08:33] And we have plenty of evidence that they did it on purpose, literally treason.

[00:08:37] And I'm afraid history is going to repeat itself.

[00:08:40] Yeah, I'm worried about that very same thing, Sam.

[00:08:45] You know, anything – you know, FDR did that to get us into the war, right?

[00:08:50] He needed something to persuade the American people to support U.S. entry into World War II.

[00:08:56] And so they basically allowed and encouraged and cajoled and provoked, you know, Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, resulting in the loss of well over 1,000 lives.

[00:09:12] And, you know, it had the desired effect, you know.

[00:09:17] Americans then supported our entry into the war, as can be seen by the overwhelming vote taken in Congress to declare war, you know, on Japan.

[00:09:30] So, yeah, that's kind of what happened in 9-11, right?

[00:09:34] I mean, we needed a reason to go after these people in the Middle East.

[00:09:38] It didn't result in a declaration of war, unfortunately, but it did result in an administration that launched war, offensive actions against, you know, countries in the Middle East.

[00:09:49] And I just worry that that's going to happen in this case, too, whether it's Ukraine happening or maybe it's in Syria or Iran or North Korea.

[00:10:01] I mean, who knows, but it's not a good situation.

[00:10:05] And in Ron Paul's words, he says the Biden administration has been pouring gasoline on these two conflicts as it heads out the door, which, quote, puts each and every one of us in grave danger, end of quote.

[00:10:21] You know, and I was listening to a podcast just the other day or last night, actually.

[00:10:27] Tom Woods was talking to Scott Horton on this podcast, and Scott Horton was giving a very reasonable scenario about how it could be that we get involved in a thermonuclear war based on a very simple misunderstanding of, you know, say, North Korea.

[00:10:53] This was the scenario.

[00:10:55] I know I'm digressing far afield here, but this is really quite interesting to me.

[00:11:01] North Korea sends a missile at the United States, and they apparently have missiles that can travel all the way to Washington, D.C., by the way.

[00:11:12] They apparently don't have them armed with nuclear warheads yet, but they do have missile capability to send a missile, you know, halfway around the world and hit someplace, some target in the States.

[00:11:25] And our response is to send missiles at North Korea.

[00:11:30] Well, if we do that, they're going to go over the pole, Sam.

[00:11:34] They don't go longitudinally around the globe.

[00:11:38] That's a long way around.

[00:11:40] They go over the pole, the North Pole, and to get to North Korea, that's the shortcut, right?

[00:11:46] That's the shortest distance between two points on a globe.

[00:11:50] And now the Russians misinterpret that as being an attack on them.

[00:11:56] And so then they launched their nuclear warheads at the United States, and then all of a sudden everybody in the States is gone.

[00:12:05] Everybody in Russia is gone.

[00:12:08] And then you've got to ask yourself a question.

[00:12:10] Would it be an accident and a misunderstanding, or would it be an intent that will take advantage of that possibility, right?

[00:12:16] Yeah.

[00:12:18] Yeah, that's a very good question, Sam.

[00:12:20] And I don't like to think about that.

[00:12:22] I mean, these people who play war games, this is the kind of stuff that they deal with every day and all week long.

[00:12:29] This is their job description.

[00:12:31] If you're involved in war games, then this is what you do.

[00:12:35] I think that the Congress needs to prosecute Joe Biden big time by impeaching him and then filing charges against him as a war criminal for his actions.

[00:12:43] It isn't about left and right.

[00:12:44] It isn't about putting Donald Trump in a bad position.

[00:12:46] It's about putting America in the best position to advocate and promote peace, not the other way around.

[00:12:51] And the last thing we need is Jamie Dimon and Jerome Powell whispering in Donald's ear that it'll be pro-war, pro-war from the banking cartel and the Federal Reserve.

[00:13:01] We've got to back away from this big time.

[00:13:03] We pray that Donald Trump and those surrounding him are smart enough to avoid it.

[00:13:07] But as Chuck Baldwin wrote, you know, Trump's putting together a war cabinet.

[00:13:10] So beware, my fellow Americans.

[00:13:12] But this is the way the column ends.

[00:13:14] And I really commend this headline.

[00:13:17] Just think how much better the world would be had we followed the non-interventionist policies of our founding fathers and a Ron Paul of modern day lull.

[00:13:28] Oh, absolutely right, Sam.

[00:13:31] That is a policy that we need to embrace.

[00:13:34] We need to push our elected representatives, our public servants, to embrace it.

[00:13:40] And I will tell you, Sam, that I had a conversation with a newest congressman from Utah, Mike Kennedy.

[00:13:47] He's the congressman-elect.

[00:13:48] He won the election just last month.

[00:13:53] And he will be going back.

[00:13:54] He's already been back to D.C. two or three times.

[00:13:57] He visited with us on Saturday.

[00:13:59] And I, after he talked, I had probably a five-minute conversation with him privately, you know, with people standing around and stuff.

[00:14:08] It wasn't super private.

[00:14:10] But basically I pulled him aside and said, we need not – we should not be funding this war effort.

[00:14:20] We should not be sending money to Israel and Iran and Ukraine.

[00:14:24] And, you know, I mean, that's all we do.

[00:14:26] We fund both sides of this war, Sam, as you know.

[00:14:28] So, you know, and the money we give to Iran, that's being used against the Israelis.

[00:14:34] And the money we give to Israel is being used against its enemies.

[00:14:39] And we need to stop the madness.

[00:14:42] We need to follow the –

[00:14:43] You're right about that.

[00:14:43] In fact, Ron Paul shouted out on X to Vivek and to Musk saying, hey, the biggest place we can cut is foreign aid.

[00:14:50] Let's get her done.

[00:14:51] And now they're talking about foreign aid thanks to Ron Paul.

[00:14:55] Yeah.

[00:14:55] Yeah.

[00:14:56] And because there is no constitutional authority at all.

[00:15:00] The states did not grant to the general government authority to send money to other countries.

[00:15:05] And we've gone way beyond that.

[00:15:08] Not only do we send money to other countries, but then we use that as a bribery and blackmail to get them to do what we want them to do, right?

[00:15:16] We coerce them.

[00:15:19] So it's worse than just sending money.

[00:15:21] We attach streams to this money that we send.

[00:15:26] And it's madness, Sam.

[00:15:28] And we need a Congress that will have the backbone to stop this madness.

[00:15:33] And I think Mike Kennedy will be one of the few, you know, along with Thomas Massey and Rand Paul and Mike Lee and others who are trying to pull back on this horrible direction.

[00:15:47] So anyway, there's that.

[00:15:48] Prince of Peace, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:15:50] And we want governments to do the same.

[00:15:52] A humble foreign policy is the solution.

[00:15:54] The sooner, the better.

[00:15:56] Hey, three cheers for Hunter Biden's pardon.

[00:16:01] Judge Andrew Napolitano, at first you go, what?

[00:16:04] Are you kidding me right now?

[00:16:06] But hear us out.

[00:16:07] Let's talk about it, Lowell.

[00:16:09] Yeah, I got the biggest kick out of this call.

[00:16:12] I said, have you lost your mind?

[00:16:15] You know, I said to myself when I read that headline, have you lost your mind?

[00:16:21] I better read his column because Judge Napolitano is always a thoughtful writer.

[00:16:27] And he's not going to say something that doesn't make sense.

[00:16:31] And so as I read the column, boy, then I began to understand.

[00:16:35] I mean, he starts out, he says, under the Constitution, the president can pardon any person for any federal crime.

[00:16:40] He does not need permission, nor must he offer a justification.

[00:16:44] Well, then Judge Napolitano explains that the essence of a pardon is mercy and forgiveness, not justice and punishment.

[00:16:51] So you might ask the question, well, when and how should forgiveness be granted?

[00:16:56] Right?

[00:16:57] That's an important question.

[00:16:58] A president should be asking that question.

[00:17:02] Of course, we're not talking about the forgiveness of God here.

[00:17:04] We're talking about civil forgiveness.

[00:17:07] Napolitano suggests an answer to this question.

[00:17:10] He says, quote, that is an ancient question, the short answer to which is when it is earnestly sought and least deserved.

[00:17:19] That also surprised me, right?

[00:17:21] I mean, obviously, any pardon would be earnestly sought by a person.

[00:17:25] But is a pardon granted to the least deserving?

[00:17:30] That's a very interesting perspective there.

[00:17:34] But he says, for if a pardon were deserved, then it would fall under justice, not mercy.

[00:17:40] Mercy is by its nature undeserved.

[00:17:44] It's just fascinating.

[00:17:46] Judge Napolitano, the thought that he put into this column.

[00:17:49] Well, and he taps into something really important to understand, Lowell.

[00:17:53] The reason for these pardons, and I think most people miss this, but I want to gain the knowledge here for people to understand this.

[00:18:00] I want you to gain this knowledge.

[00:18:03] What it really does is from the top of the United States, the chief law enforcement officer of the country, the CLIO of the country, the commander in chief of the greatest military in the world, the guy that should be leading with peace, the guy that should be the advocate for the country that's a light on a hill, looking to God, not government.

[00:18:21] Saying, we believe in the atonement of Christ, and we are going to lead by mercy.

[00:18:28] Yes, justice needs to be done.

[00:18:29] We get it.

[00:18:30] But if we're going to lean to one side or the other, we're going to lean towards mercy.

[00:18:33] We're going to trust in God for the rest.

[00:18:35] We can't let every criminal act go.

[00:18:36] But we can set a standard of mercy being the default.

[00:18:43] And, hey, we'll back into justice if we have to.

[00:18:46] And that ought to be the view of the leader of the free world.

[00:18:50] That ought to be the view of the freest country on the face of the earth.

[00:18:54] That ought to be the – and so Judge Napolitano speaking to this very eloquently, but I wanted to really highlight that point.

[00:18:59] If you think of the atonement of Christ, it leans towards mercy.

[00:19:05] And, yes, justice will be done.

[00:19:07] Justice will not be robbed by mercy.

[00:19:09] Don't misunderstand the point.

[00:19:10] But mercy is the default.

[00:19:12] Mercy is the goal here.

[00:19:14] And so this leads to the same idea.

[00:19:17] And at first when you think, Joe pardoning his son Hunter, what a bunch of thugs you can't do – I get the desire, folks, for retribution.

[00:19:25] But that's the Lord's, not ours.

[00:19:28] And so leading with mercy is the key here.

[00:19:31] And Andrew Napolitano teaching a real fundamental constitutional and look towards God idea here.

[00:19:38] Yeah, another point that is not in the column, Sam,

[00:19:41] but you've sparked it in my mind is this idea of nullification, right?

[00:19:45] I mean, if there –

[00:19:47] Yes, indeed.

[00:19:48] That was a fundamental concept where, you know, the founders were not in favor of democracy,

[00:19:53] so they did not promote the idea of people initiating law or changes to law,

[00:19:59] but they were very supportive of the idea of the people's ability and authority to nullify a bad law, you know,

[00:20:09] through a referendum process.

[00:20:12] And when it comes to presidential pardons, that's effectively a nullification of prosecution.

[00:20:24] And, you know, later on after we go through this column, we'll be talking about the idea that we're all upset that the January 6th people who, you know,

[00:20:38] were prosecuted and thrown in jail, were all upset that Trump has been prosecuted, you know, by people who did not want him to win the presidency.

[00:20:48] Yeah, wrongfully.

[00:20:49] And we call that lawfare, right?

[00:20:50] That prosecution we call lawfare, and we know it's wrong, but this is where Trump could pardon those January 6ers,

[00:21:02] and he could pardon, you know, Tina Peters of Colorado who blew the whistle on Dominion on election tampering,

[00:21:08] and he could pardon – and see, this is basically a presidential nullification of a bad prosecution or of an illegal prosecution.

[00:21:17] So I like the founders putting that authority in the hands of the president, you know, 200 – over 200 years ago just for that reason alone,

[00:21:28] because it's another manifestation of this principle of nullification, Sam.

[00:21:34] Amen to that.

[00:21:36] And it brings up the real question about this.

[00:21:38] If we're saying hooray, hooray, three cheers for the pardon of Hunter,

[00:21:42] then the question becomes, Sam, do you think that Hunter should be pardoned?

[00:21:48] Do you think Hunter – okay, where does this go, right?

[00:21:54] Do you think Hunter Biden should be prosecuted for these two crimes?

[00:21:56] And the answer is clearly no, I do not think he should be prosecuted for these crimes.

[00:22:01] Okay, good.

[00:22:02] And let's dig into why, lol.

[00:22:04] Yeah, and let's dig into the crimes, because that's what I had not done either until I read this column yesterday.

[00:22:10] I had not thought about, well, what was Hunter guilty of, right?

[00:22:15] And it turns out that he was prosecuted for failure to pay income taxes in a timely manner.

[00:22:21] Think about that for a second.

[00:22:23] He actually paid his taxes with interest and penalties, but it wasn't timely, right?

[00:22:29] It wasn't on time.

[00:22:30] And so that was one charge against him.

[00:22:33] But that second charge, his second crime that he was prosecuted for was for lying about drug use on an application to purchase a handgun.

[00:22:47] And so –

[00:22:48] Okay, now let me just stop you there and say you have a right to keep and bear arms.

[00:22:51] That shall not be infringed.

[00:22:52] And they say, well, Sam, he's a felon or he lied on an application.

[00:22:55] He lied on an application, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:22:57] The government has no authority to force him to fill out to get a gun in the first place.

[00:23:00] All right?

[00:23:01] So let's not act like, oh, my gosh, the law is that you've got to fill out this thing and do some kind of thug background check.

[00:23:07] Or the law – you know, that, oh, a felon can't have a gun.

[00:23:09] Or, oh, this – oh, a drug user can't have a gun.

[00:23:12] Look, the Second Amendment doesn't clarify any of that.

[00:23:14] It says your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

[00:23:18] And so Hunter Biden's right to keep and bear arms to get a gun shall not be infringed.

[00:23:24] What more of that don't you understand?

[00:23:25] So should he be prosecuted for that?

[00:23:27] Absolutely not.

[00:23:28] Should he have had to fill out the form in the first place so that he would lie?

[00:23:31] Absolutely not.

[00:23:33] Okay?

[00:23:34] Your defense, ladies and gentlemen, your right to defend yourself from harm, whether it's a gun or a knife or bare knuckles or whatever it is, it doesn't depend on some government form.

[00:23:44] He should have never been asked to fill out the form in the first place, and then he wouldn't have lied.

[00:23:49] Should he have lied?

[00:23:49] Well, I never advocate for lying necessarily.

[00:23:51] But the point that you've got to understand is there should have been no mechanism in place to cause him to lie.

[00:23:56] You got it?

[00:23:57] Good.

[00:23:57] What's the other offense, Lowell?

[00:24:00] Well, the failure to pay an income tax in a timely manner.

[00:24:03] Right.

[00:24:04] Is the income tax even constitutional, ladies and gentlemen?

[00:24:06] No, it is not.

[00:24:07] It's criminal.

[00:24:08] It's direct tax.

[00:24:09] It's been used as a weapon against the people.

[00:24:11] And I don't want it to be used as a weapon against Hunter Biden either.

[00:24:14] Okay?

[00:24:15] Just because I don't like Hunter and I think he's a thug, and I think he's guilty of other crimes that should be prosecuted.

[00:24:20] Not these two.

[00:24:21] When we get back, Will Nelson breaks it down further in seconds.

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[00:30:24] Well, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:30:26] This is Lowell Nelson here on Liberty Roundtable Live,

[00:30:29] riding shotgun with your host, Sam Bushman.

[00:30:33] And we've been talking about this very informative column by Judge Andrew Napolitano,

[00:30:39] entitled Three Cheers for Hunter Biden's Pardon.

[00:30:42] And, you know, we looked askance at that initially, but boy, is there some wonderful wisdom in this column

[00:30:53] and in this particular stance, right?

[00:30:55] I mean, Hunter Biden was accused of two crimes which really ought not be identified as crimes,

[00:31:00] should not be defined as crimes.

[00:31:02] And so shouldn't we be glad that he's pardoned?

[00:31:05] I think so.

[00:31:06] I mean, I'm absolutely glad that he was pardoned.

[00:31:09] Now, he may, well, should be prosecuted for other crimes, more important crimes,

[00:31:14] but of these two, no way.

[00:31:16] He should not have been prosecuted for these crimes.

[00:31:19] And so I'm glad that he was pardoned for them.

[00:31:23] One was fired to pay income tax in a timely manner,

[00:31:25] and one was lying about drug use on an application to purchase a handgun.

[00:31:31] So Sam and I both agree that Hunter should not have been prosecuted for these two crimes,

[00:31:37] and we're both glad that he was pardoned.

[00:31:39] Now, Judge Napolitano writes, he says, the thing that we have to really examine when you think about a crime,

[00:31:50] when you're trying to determine whether a crime is a crime or not, worthy of prosecution,

[00:31:54] he says, every classic definition of the concept of crime has three characteristics.

[00:32:01] The first is that the criminal behavior is proscribed by a legitimate authority.

[00:32:08] And that's where we claim both of these crimes against Hunter don't apply.

[00:32:11] Okay?

[00:32:12] Exactly.

[00:32:12] There are other crimes he's guilty of that they seem to be ignoring.

[00:32:16] They love to ignore the real crimes,

[00:32:17] and they love to focus on the ones that divide conservatives or divide constitutionalists

[00:32:21] because people are ignorant of the Constitution.

[00:32:23] Clearly, there's no authority relating to these supposed crimes, right?

[00:32:28] There's very few crimes available on the general or federal level in the first place, Lowell.

[00:32:34] Right.

[00:32:35] And we'll get to those in a second here.

[00:32:37] So there's got to be a rule against some activity, right?

[00:32:43] That's the first hallmark of a crime.

[00:32:46] There has to be a rule against it, right?

[00:32:49] I mean, like God said, thou shalt not kill, right?

[00:32:52] That's a rule proscribing the murder of another person, right?

[00:32:58] By a legitimate, recognized authority.

[00:33:00] Absolutely.

[00:33:02] The second element of a crime is that the behavior in question caused palpable harm, right?

[00:33:08] And so, right, I mean, so you may have a rule in your town that says that you may not jaywalk across the street.

[00:33:16] But if you end up jaywalking across the street and get accused of committing a crime,

[00:33:22] that's really not a crime because there's no palpable harm done by you walking across the street, you know,

[00:33:28] outside of the crosswalk.

[00:33:30] And so because there's no palpable harm, there is no crime.

[00:33:34] So that's the second hallmark of a crime.

[00:33:37] The third is that the behavior in question produced an articulable victim.

[00:33:43] And these are Judge Impolitano's words, articulable victim, right?

[00:33:49] Basically, you have to have a habeas corpus.

[00:33:51] You have to have some damage done that's visible, right, that's also palpable.

[00:33:57] So those are the three.

[00:33:59] In other words, if, let's see, if there's no harm, right, done to anybody because, and no victim when, just because you jaywalked, there's no victim, right?

[00:34:11] And it didn't hurt anybody.

[00:34:13] And there's no victim.

[00:34:15] Therefore, that also fails the test of a crime.

[00:34:19] The only victim here right now is Hunter in these two examples.

[00:34:24] Yeah, absolutely right.

[00:34:26] And so now...

[00:34:28] Now, don't get me wrong.

[00:34:29] That doesn't mean I'm defending Hunter Biden.

[00:34:30] I'm just breaking down constitutionally the truth.

[00:34:32] I think Hunter Biden is a criminal.

[00:34:34] I think we ought to prosecute him on the real criminal activities.

[00:34:38] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:34:39] And so the reason we're spending so much time on this, folks, is that this is a fun...

[00:34:45] We're getting to the point now where we're going to talk about the Constitution.

[00:34:50] Because Judge Andrew Napolitano, he elaborates on this point.

[00:34:53] He says the Constitution only permits the Congress to enact and prescribe two crimes.

[00:35:00] First, treason, which is defined in the Constitution as waging war on the states or giving aid and comfort to America's enemies.

[00:35:07] And number two, the investment of the money supply that is passing off a forged coin as if it were genuine gold or silver.

[00:35:15] End of quote.

[00:35:16] Now, I don't know why he didn't mention piracy here, because that, too, is a crime specified in the U.S. Constitution.

[00:35:21] In my opinion, there are three crimes defined in the U.S. Constitution.

[00:35:25] But the fact of the matter is, Sam, that the Constitution did not give to Congress the authority to define crimes.

[00:35:35] That was left up to the states.

[00:35:38] And so, in other words, this is another reason why Hunter Biden should not have been prosecuted by these two federal crimes.

[00:35:47] This is a study to pay income tax and this lying on an application to get a handgun, right?

[00:35:53] Because Congress did not, even in the beginning, have the authority to define those as crimes.

[00:35:59] That's the point.

[00:36:00] And so, Judge Napolitano explained what has happened or why everyone thinks Congress has the authority to prescribe more than the two or three crimes identified in the U.S. Constitution.

[00:36:11] Quote, for all other crimes, Congress has given itself the power to articulate and punish.

[00:36:19] End of quote.

[00:36:21] In other words, Congress arrogated authority to itself.

[00:36:24] Authority the states did not give to it, right?

[00:36:26] That is the important point.

[00:36:29] And so he elaborates first with a question even further.

[00:36:34] He says, can Congress give itself powers that are not delegated to it by the Constitution?

[00:36:38] And then he answers, he says, the Constitution itself says that it cannot.

[00:36:44] The Tenth Amendment teaches that the powers non-delegated to the government are reserved to the states.

[00:36:51] Congress cannot just assume those powers.

[00:36:54] End of quote.

[00:36:56] Well put, Judge Napolitano.

[00:36:59] Now, so, Sam, I think that the judge, the good judge, really nails it.

[00:37:04] Just like you said, he nails it.

[00:37:05] He nails it from two or three vantage points.

[00:37:09] And this last point, in my opinion, is the strongest.

[00:37:12] Because if the Constitution did not give authority to Congress, right, if the states did not agree that Congress had this authority, then Congress has no business whatsoever in defining these, you know, the income tax.

[00:37:26] And that is the quintessential point.

[00:37:29] So the question that Lowell asked me is this.

[00:37:31] Do you think Hunter Biden should be prosecuted for these two crimes?

[00:37:36] And I say resounding, absolutely not.

[00:37:38] Do I think Hunter Biden should be prosecuted for a lot of other things?

[00:37:41] Absolutely.

[00:37:45] And I agree totally with Sam on this.

[00:37:48] I don't think he should be.

[00:37:49] And I'm glad he was pardoned for those two crimes.

[00:37:51] But are there other crimes that he committed that are far worse and that prosecutors are ignoring on purpose?

[00:38:00] Absolutely.

[00:38:01] Absolutely.

[00:38:01] And they don't want to talk about those because then they know it'll generate a real discussion about the constitutionality.

[00:38:06] And if Hunter goes down, Joe goes down.

[00:38:08] If Joe goes down, others go down.

[00:38:10] And that's why I think that Donald Trump and I think that Kash Patel and many others, by the way, should double down and really switch this focus.

[00:38:20] And they should applaud Joe Biden getting off on this.

[00:38:22] But then we should say, but the real issues still stand.

[00:38:25] And here they are.

[00:38:26] And Joe can't pardon these issues.

[00:38:29] And here's why.

[00:38:29] And then we can go into, hey, Congress decides a lot of these things.

[00:38:34] The president can't just pardon anybody for anything, anytime, all the time.

[00:38:38] Right?

[00:38:41] Yeah.

[00:38:41] Can the president pardon anybody for anything, anytime, anywhere?

[00:38:45] Otherwise, you could just have a thousand assassins run around and kill everybody, and the president can just pardon them every day.

[00:38:50] Yeah.

[00:38:51] That wouldn't be good.

[00:38:53] So there's limits to the amount of pardons, too.

[00:38:55] I know people believe it's like absolute.

[00:38:56] It's not 100% absolute, though, people.

[00:38:58] There are still rules and guidelines and God's laws that apply.

[00:39:03] Anyway, we digress.

[00:39:06] But the good news is a friend of ours got elected, lol.

[00:39:10] That's right.

[00:39:11] I just need to make a couple more comments about this column, Sam.

[00:39:15] I'm sorry that I just – this column for me was like Christmas morning.

[00:39:19] That's a great column.

[00:39:21] No question.

[00:39:21] Christmas morning.

[00:39:22] And, you know, he goes on – Judge Knapp talks about the whiskey rebellion.

[00:39:28] Remember the farmers in Pennsylvania that were prosecuted and convicted in the state court in Pennsylvania for failure to pay federal taxes?

[00:39:36] Well, guess what?

[00:39:37] President George Washington, who we all venerate, right?

[00:39:42] George Washington pardoned those farmers.

[00:39:45] And so, you know, I just love the fact that Judge Knapp threw that into his column because we get this, you know, this sour case in our mouth when Joe Biden pardoned somebody because we think, well, he shouldn't be doing that.

[00:39:59] Right?

[00:39:59] Well, just think, George Washington, the very first president of the state, he is the one who issued the first pardon.

[00:40:06] And he pardoned farmers in Pennsylvania who are basically the subjects of lawfare in their day.

[00:40:13] And then he goes on and talks about the lawfare that's happening to Trump and the J6ers and, you know, election whistleblowers like Tina Peters of Colorado and said, look, wouldn't we be happy if Trump got into office, was inaugurated, and he pardoned those guys?

[00:40:32] Absolutely.

[00:40:33] We'd be excited about that.

[00:40:36] Go ahead and skip the break.

[00:40:38] And let me clarify my statement when I said that you can't pardon anyone for anything all the time.

[00:40:44] Here's the quote from Judge Napolitano on this.

[00:40:47] Listen carefully because it's in this article.

[00:40:49] Under the Constitution, the president can pardon any person for any, quote, federal crime.

[00:41:01] He does not need permission, nor must he offer a justification.

[00:41:06] But he said federal crime.

[00:41:08] That's very few things he can pardon for.

[00:41:11] Now, the reason I say Joe should be able to pardon him for this is because these other ones aren't crimes.

[00:41:16] So if they claim you're guilty of a crime you're not, the president can say there's no crime here.

[00:41:20] Therefore, I'm pardoning somebody.

[00:41:21] That's legitimate as well.

[00:41:22] What's not legitimate is when you create crimes against the world and crimes against the states, that's a different discussion.

[00:41:29] The president doesn't have authority over those things.

[00:41:31] Lowell.

[00:41:33] Right.

[00:41:33] Right.

[00:41:34] And if the Constitution defines only three crimes, you know, piracy, counterfeiting, and whatever the other one was, then those are the only pardonable offenses.

[00:41:47] Right.

[00:41:47] A president cannot pardon any federal crime.

[00:41:54] Just those three that are defined as federal crimes.

[00:41:57] So it's really a very limited power.

[00:42:00] When understood properly, the presidential power of pardoning is very, very limited, Sam.

[00:42:06] The only reason it's got broader is because we make so many things federal crimes that now we say, well, it's a, you know, it's a federal crime.

[00:42:15] And so we can do it.

[00:42:16] But, you know, so I say the insurrection being claimed, he can.

[00:42:20] And President Trump can pardon those people.

[00:42:22] Yeah.

[00:42:23] The Tina Peters thing, I think, could be, you know, that could be pardoned.

[00:42:28] I think there's very few things because every one of them relates to these kind of discussions about the short list constitutionally here.

[00:42:38] And we need to be very careful of that.

[00:42:39] You can't just pardon for anything, anytime, anywhere, all the time.

[00:42:41] You can't just get your buddies off all the time.

[00:42:43] But there are legitimate reasons that relate to this.

[00:42:47] And we need to understand that.

[00:42:48] So Judge Napolitano clearly said federal crimes.

[00:42:50] What are those really supposed to be?

[00:42:52] And that's really where we should start the discussions, not just think it's this broad brush.

[00:42:59] Yeah.

[00:42:59] And he ends his column with these words.

[00:43:02] I hope the debate produces a commitment to the recognition and enforcement of constitutional principles that limits Congress to its constitutional role and limits prosecutions to those who have harmed others as the drafters of the Constitution clearly intended.

[00:43:20] End of quote.

[00:43:21] And so, folks, in our conversations with our people, our, you know, colleagues around the water cooler, you know, let's, you know, instead of complaining that Hunter Biden got a pardon, let's elevate the conversation.

[00:43:33] Let's ask, you know, should Hunter have been prosecuted for those two crimes in the first place?

[00:43:38] And even before that, should Congress have defined those two things as crimes, right?

[00:43:44] I mean, we could really elevate the Constitution.

[00:43:46] We could educate people around us big time just on this one simple point.

[00:43:52] I mean, people are upset, understandably upset that Hunter Biden got this pardon.

[00:43:56] Well, now let's elevate the conversation and let's develop understanding about what Congress truly has, you know, power to do, has authority to do, and what they don't have authority to do.

[00:44:10] So, Sam, there you go.

[00:44:12] You know the way we can start the best volley to prove the point?

[00:44:15] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:16] Have Donald forgive all gun crimes and all tax crimes for everybody and let them all out.

[00:44:21] Oh, wow.

[00:44:22] That would be awesome.

[00:44:24] That would be so awesome.

[00:44:24] Just say if Hunter walks free, so do the rest of y'all.

[00:44:26] Welcome back to the society.

[00:44:28] We're going to stop these tax, you know, laws abused by the government.

[00:44:31] They're committing crimes.

[00:44:32] We're going to go after them if they don't quit.

[00:44:34] And same thing on your right to keep and bear arms.

[00:44:36] We're not going to infringe that sucker.

[00:44:37] And so, hey, Biden set the pattern.

[00:44:40] Hunter's free.

[00:44:40] And so is everybody else.

[00:44:41] We're just going to call it the Hunter Freedom Act.

[00:44:43] And we're going to go ahead and do it.

[00:44:45] Or Hunter Freedom, whatever you want to call it.

[00:44:48] You know, we could do that.

[00:44:49] And Trump should just absolutely jump through that hole like you wouldn't believe.

[00:44:55] Wow.

[00:44:57] Now you can see why I was so excited to talk about this column, Sam.

[00:45:00] Because it is pregnant with possibilities.

[00:45:03] Couldn't agree.

[00:45:04] Big time.

[00:45:05] All right.

[00:45:05] We've got a friend that got elected.

[00:45:06] That's fantastic news.

[00:45:08] Yes.

[00:45:09] On Saturday, just two days ago, the Utah County Republican Party held a special election to fill the vacancy in House District 54.

[00:45:16] That happens to be my district.

[00:45:18] Three candidates threw their hats into the ring.

[00:45:21] And one emerged victorious.

[00:45:23] Her name is Kristen Chevrier.

[00:45:24] She is the co-founder and director of Your Health Freedom right here in Utah.

[00:45:29] She's been an advocate for individual, family, and parental rights for over 20 years.

[00:45:33] She has served in numerous political leadership positions.

[00:45:36] And I have served with her in many of those positions.

[00:45:38] She is the co-founder and director of Your Health Freedom right here in Utah, which is an informed consent advocacy group here in Utah focused on health freedom and consumer rights.

[00:45:49] She serves as education officer of the Utah County Party from 2013 to 2015.

[00:45:54] I did from 2015 to 2017.

[00:45:56] She developed many of the training materials used today by the state and county parties.

[00:46:01] She has been up at the legislature actively lobbying for you and me, Sam, and for all the citizens of Utah for the past 10 years.

[00:46:09] She knows most, maybe all of the legislators up there, and they know her.

[00:46:13] She will most assuredly, Sam, hit the ground running because our legislative session here in Utah begins in just about one more month.

[00:46:23] Amen.

[00:46:24] So that's a huge congratulations to her.

[00:46:26] That's a huge win in my view for a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of reasons.

[00:46:29] We need to get her on the radio with us and talk about some of those things going forward.

[00:46:33] She's a wonderful lady, does a phenomenal job, and she speaks truth to power.

[00:46:38] I'll tell you that right now.

[00:46:39] By the way, in Utah, there's a leader of the Eagle Forum.

[00:46:42] Her name is Gail Rizika.

[00:46:43] Her husband, Don, passed away, and our prayers are with Don and his family, or I should say Gail and her family.

[00:46:49] We've lost a freedom fighter extraordinaire to say the least, and rest in peace, Brother Don.

[00:46:54] Just thought I'd throw that out as well, Lowell.

[00:46:57] Well, and thank you for that.

[00:46:58] Don was the lead chair when I first got involved as the education chair in our house district, and I've learned a great deal from Don.

[00:47:07] He was right up there with his wife, Gail, in promoting constitutional principles.

[00:47:14] And so my heart goes out to her and her family, and I really appreciate the schooling and the tutelage I received from Don and Gail.

[00:47:27] They both continue on.

[00:47:28] He was a loving liberty hero, that's for sure.

[00:47:31] All right, final story of the hour.

[00:47:32] This one's awesome.

[00:47:34] Hey, it is awesome.

[00:47:35] And by the way, Sam, just a side note here, but I'm going to be out of the country for the next two or three Mondays, and so you might want to get Kristen on during my hour.

[00:47:49] Have her email me.

[00:47:50] We're good.

[00:47:50] I call it my hour.

[00:47:51] Okay.

[00:47:52] It is your hour.

[00:47:52] Come on now.

[00:47:54] Okay, yeah.

[00:47:55] It's the Campaign for Liberty Hour.

[00:47:57] Lowell Nelson, baby.

[00:47:58] Come on.

[00:47:59] Okay, man.

[00:48:00] So this last article is great because it talks about the four forgotten principles that fueled the American Revolution.

[00:48:07] This, again, was an email.

[00:48:09] It's a podcast from Michael Bolden at the Tenth Amendment Center.

[00:48:13] And basically, you too can be getting these emails, folks.

[00:48:18] If you're not getting them, you're missing out.

[00:48:19] Because remember that Thomas Jefferson said that the Tenth Amendment was the foundation or is the foundation of the U.S. Constitution, right?

[00:48:29] This understanding that all authority except those specific authorities enumerated in the U.S. Constitution are reserved by the states and to the states, to the people of the several states.

[00:48:43] And, boy, that is foundational to a proper understanding of the U.S. Constitution just as we've been talking about it this morning.

[00:48:49] So Michael Bolden at the Tenth Amendment Center, which the website there is 10thamendmentcenter.com, every week he puts out a great email talking about the Tenth Amendment in some aspect.

[00:49:03] And this email this last week was the four forgotten principles that fueled the American Revolution.

[00:49:09] We won't have time to go into them in detail, but we're just going to hit the highlights here.

[00:49:14] And basically, these principles were articulated by John Dickinson.

[00:49:20] And another one you might call a forgotten founder, right?

[00:49:24] Everybody remembers George Washington, but very few people remember people like George Wythe and John Dickinson.

[00:49:31] And who is that other gentleman we talked about a couple weeks ago?

[00:49:37] Oh, escapes me at the moment.

[00:49:39] But, yeah, these are the forgotten founders.

[00:49:41] And John Dickinson, he said slavery is ever preceded by sleep, right?

[00:49:50] Just another way of saying that, you know, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, the cost of freedom is eternal vigilance.

[00:49:58] Anyway, John Dickinson was incredibly influential.

[00:50:03] He wrote these letters, and he entitled them Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania.

[00:50:09] First published in 1767.

[00:50:11] These are essays, basically, and they became so popular that they were reprinted and circulated for years among the colonies, you know.

[00:50:23] And they even went to Europe.

[00:50:27] Voltaire compared Dickinson to Cicero, folks.

[00:50:30] Can you believe that?

[00:50:31] Voltaire, who is very well known, compared John Dickinson to Cicero.

[00:50:37] And his influence, speaking of John Dickinson's influence, almost rivaled that of Benjamin Franklin.

[00:50:43] So you talk about a forgotten founder, you need to put John Dickinson there in the circle.

[00:50:51] Okay, so what did he talk about?

[00:50:53] These four forgotten principles that fueled the American Revolution.

[00:50:57] Well, liberty, the first one is liberty is the foundation, right?

[00:51:03] Liberty is the foundation.

[00:51:05] John Dickinson wrote, let these truths be indelibly impressed on our minds that we cannot be happy without being free, and that we cannot be free without being secure in our property, and that we cannot be secure in our property if without our consent others may, as by right, take it away.

[00:51:23] End of quote.

[00:51:24] Right?

[00:51:25] That's basically property taxes.

[00:51:27] That's income tax.

[00:51:29] I mean, anytime we get a tax...

[00:51:30] Asset forfeiture.

[00:51:31] The list goes on and on.

[00:51:32] Yeah, forever, yeah.

[00:51:33] Next point, division of power.

[00:51:36] This is a forgotten principle.

[00:51:38] Federalism, right?

[00:51:39] This is the fundamental building block of the U.S. Confederacy, right?

[00:51:44] The thing that binds the states together, this division of power.

[00:51:49] And the most important check and balance, folks, is the check that we, the United States, exert on the general government, right?

[00:51:57] And so that is just so key to understanding our confederacy and our confederate republic here.

[00:52:05] The third point, danger of precedent.

[00:52:08] And this is very important.

[00:52:10] He said, this is the very circumstance most alarming to me, for I am convinced that the authors of this law would never have obtained an act to raise so trifling a sum as it must do, had they not intended by it to establish a precedent for future use.

[00:52:27] He's talking about the power to tax, right?

[00:52:31] And so he argued that the Townsend Act taxes were minor and not worth resisting.

[00:52:38] I'm sorry, he didn't argue.

[00:52:39] Some people in his time argued that the Townsend Act taxes were minor and not worth resisting.

[00:52:45] But Dickinson pushed back against that, saying we can't even allow a precedent to be established, even a small one, because that lays the groundwork for far greater abuses in the future.

[00:52:57] And boy, has he been proven right on that fact, Lowell.

[00:53:00] I'll say, you give it in, say take a mile.

[00:53:03] And then the last point, the last or the fourth principle, the forgotten principle that fueled the American Revolution was the right to resist, right?

[00:53:13] Given the threat to liberty and the danger of allowing the government to get his foot in the door, it's not surprising, really, that Dickinson emphatically supported the colonists' right to resist unwarranted measures.

[00:53:25] He went on to assert that a free people, therefore, can never be too quick in observing nor too firm in opposing the beginnings of alteration, either in form or reality, respecting institutions formed for their security.

[00:53:40] Right?

[00:53:41] Fantastic article.

[00:53:42] I just love the writing of John Dickinson, Sam.

[00:53:46] And again, commend him to our listeners.

[00:53:51] Amen.

[00:53:51] And the one that I think relates to we, the people, the most is understanding the checks and balances, the separation of powers, due process, and then the right to resist.

[00:54:01] We have the right to resist unconstitutional abuses, ladies and gentlemen, and we must.

[00:54:05] I know some are saying, Sam, you're advocating breaking the law.

[00:54:08] No, I'm not.

[00:54:09] I'm advocating resisting when the laws are manipulated wrongfully against the people.

[00:54:14] If enough people stand up against it, it would stop.

[00:54:17] And that's where we play a significant role.

[00:54:19] So, Lowell, we know you're going to be out of the country, and our prayers are with you as you serve others.

[00:54:24] We'll talk to you in January.

[00:54:26] Will do, Sam.

[00:54:27] Thank you.

[00:54:28] God bless you.

[00:54:29] Stay there for a second if you can, Lowell.

[00:54:31] All right, ladies and gentlemen, two hours of hard-hitting talk in the can.

[00:54:36] freedomsrisingsun.com for Scott Bradley.

[00:54:38] Right?

[00:54:39] You've got the incredible website, campaignforliberty.org for Lowell and company.

[00:54:44] And God save the republic.