Radio Show Hour 2 – 11/30/2024

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West.

[00:00:18] You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show.

[00:00:23] All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Scott Radley, freedomsrisingsun.com.

[00:00:28] With me, we're interviewing Mr. Charles Key.

[00:00:31] He's been in the Oklahoma government, if you will, for 18 years.

[00:00:38] CharlesKey.com, his website.

[00:00:41] Author of a book called Stolen Government. Incredible book. Check it out.

[00:00:45] Highlighting the reality check that we, the people, have got to demand accountability and transparency.

[00:00:50] And if we don't, we're in serious, serious trouble.

[00:00:52] They've stolen our government, and they aim to just get rich and gain power.

[00:00:57] And if we don't seek to pull it down, we're in trouble.

[00:01:00] Anyway, also the final report on the Oklahoma City bombing he was highly involved in.

[00:01:06] And there's so much to the Oklahoma City bombing, it could take hours to break down.

[00:01:10] I used to interview J.D. Cash and other people about this and stuff like that.

[00:01:13] All I'm telling you is this.

[00:01:15] Government was involved.

[00:01:17] It was a scandal.

[00:01:18] It was a false flag.

[00:01:20] And there's evidence everywhere to prove it.

[00:01:22] But some of the strongest evidence that I had, and I want to get Charles Key's take on this, Charles Key's take on this in a second.

[00:01:29] But you know what?

[00:01:32] I interviewed this guy, Jesse Trinidue.

[00:01:35] And his brother was Kenneth Trinidue.

[00:01:37] And Kenneth Trinidue was in an Oklahoma City jail.

[00:01:40] And the government said there was John Doe No. 2, and then they claimed, oh, nobody else was with Timothy McVeigh.

[00:01:45] And it kind of raged on.

[00:01:47] Well, anyway, Jesse Trinidue died.

[00:01:51] They say he committed suicide.

[00:01:53] His brother is convinced he was murdered.

[00:01:55] His brother, Kenneth Trinidue, is from Utah and is a well-known attorney who took this on.

[00:02:00] And here's what Kenneth Trinidue said.

[00:02:03] I did not start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:02:06] I started out for justice for my brother's murder.

[00:02:11] Yeah.

[00:02:12] Then he says this.

[00:02:15] But along the way, every path I took, every lead I got took me to the bombing.

[00:02:25] That is a serious statement from an attorney that was at it for literally years.

[00:02:31] And he basically said, hey, so I'm kind of wondering, well, why this Jesse Trinidue's death, this simple suicide in prison?

[00:02:39] Why would there be this massive battle of government by his brother, Kenneth Trinidue?

[00:02:44] Why would there be all these cover-ups?

[00:02:45] Why would all roads lead to the bombing for this guy that supposedly had nothing to do with it?

[00:02:50] Well, Jesse Trinidue was murdered.

[00:02:54] They got back the body and had proof of all that kind of stuff.

[00:02:57] Well, to make a long story short, then Kenneth basically said, hey, all these roads lead to the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:03:03] How can that be answered?

[00:03:04] Well, Jesse believes that, hey, I'm sorry, Kenneth believes that Jesse was John Doe No. 2.

[00:03:12] Charles Key, tell me the details on that real quick, will you?

[00:03:16] Well, you're saying that the brother told you that he believes his brother that died was John Doe No. 2?

[00:03:24] That's what he's saying, yeah.

[00:03:26] He didn't tell me that, but that's in the news, that that's what he thinks is the case.

[00:03:32] Well, I don't believe that's the case.

[00:03:34] Here's what I think the case is, and it's been a long time since I've talked to Jesse Trinidue.

[00:03:40] Kenneth, you mean?

[00:03:42] Yeah, it's easy to get confused real quick.

[00:03:44] I agree, yes.

[00:03:44] I made that mistake, too.

[00:03:45] Sorry.

[00:03:47] So my understanding, and by the way, he was held in a federal transfer system here in Oklahoma at the airport, a big facility there.

[00:03:57] We're right in the center of the country, so they fly people back and forth.

[00:04:00] Here's the real quick story.

[00:04:01] As my understanding, Kenneth Trinidue didn't have anything to do with this.

[00:04:06] He had been a bank robber in his past.

[00:04:09] He was caught, convicted, and then out on parole.

[00:04:13] He changed his life.

[00:04:14] He got married.

[00:04:15] He had one or two kids.

[00:04:16] He was living in the southern part of the U.S., I think Arizona or California.

[00:04:22] He was close to the border down there.

[00:04:24] His wife was Hispanic, I believe.

[00:04:26] These are just little facts I'm throwing out that I think I remember.

[00:04:30] And so he stopped with those little back story, side story.

[00:04:34] He stopped checking in with his parole officer, and his wife had actually said to him at one point,

[00:04:39] I wish you'd get back in contact with him because I'm afraid someday we're going to get pulled over,

[00:04:44] and they're just going to take you away from us.

[00:04:45] Well, that's what happened, as I understand the story.

[00:04:47] He had a pickup that was the same model year and colors as one of these domestic Midwest bank robber guys

[00:04:57] that J.D. Cash used to really be focused on.

[00:05:01] And I believe it was Richard Lee Guthrie was the one.

[00:05:03] Had the same kind of pickup in the year and everything.

[00:05:05] I think it was white and blue, two-tone Chevy pickup.

[00:05:09] They pulled him over, and a lot of things didn't add up, so they took him right there,

[00:05:15] and they thought he was supposedly, the story I understood was they thought he was Richard Lee Guthrie.

[00:05:21] Well, as his brother says, and the family said, he was a tough guy.

[00:05:25] He wasn't going to put up crap with anybody, so they got rough with him,

[00:05:29] according to the inside sources that whistle blew on the situation.

[00:05:36] And he got into fighting, and they just beat him to death, literally.

[00:05:39] When you look at the pictures of his body, there's no question he was beat to death.

[00:05:43] He did not commit suicide.

[00:05:45] And that's what I understand the Trinidue case is really about.

[00:05:49] So let me clarify then.

[00:05:50] So Jesse Trinidue is the attorney.

[00:05:52] Kenneth is the brother.

[00:05:54] And he said, I guess he looked so much like Richard Lee Guthrie that they thought he was John No. 2.

[00:06:01] And it turns out that Jesse's saying, you know, hey, we might have thought that,

[00:06:04] but it turns out it isn't true.

[00:06:06] So I think you're absolutely right on that.

[00:06:08] And I apologize for getting it mixed up.

[00:06:11] This story hasn't been around for a while, and it's hard to get.

[00:06:14] But Jesse's the attorney.

[00:06:15] Kenneth was the one that looked like Mr. Guthrie.

[00:06:18] And that's where the confusion came.

[00:06:20] And I think he just said, look, I didn't do it.

[00:06:21] I'm not involved in it.

[00:06:22] And he stood his ground and said, look, I'm not going to tolerate this.

[00:06:25] And they beat him up.

[00:06:26] They were hoping to get him to confess.

[00:06:28] And what really happened is they killed him.

[00:06:29] And then Jesse pushed it so hard.

[00:06:32] See, at the least, Donald Trump needs to get that out, right?

[00:06:36] The truth about that.

[00:06:37] Mm-hmm.

[00:06:39] Yeah, it's crazy what goes on.

[00:06:42] You know, when I got involved in Oklahoma City bombing in those first couple years or three years,

[00:06:48] I mean, people were coming out of the woodwork to try to help us in many ways.

[00:06:53] And, I mean, not just how can we help, but a lot of these were people that had been involved in other cases with the federal government

[00:07:00] or other levels of government in which it was a big deal, and there was all kinds of corruption and cover-up that went on.

[00:07:07] And some of them were federal cases, like back in the Boston area and in that part of the country.

[00:07:12] There was a lot of, you know, they were always looking at trying to get the mob for doing different things.

[00:07:17] And some of those agents got hooked up with the mob, and then they became, you know, it became a big tangled web.

[00:07:24] And then they were trying to get people.

[00:07:26] And that's what I think a large part of the Oklahoma City bombing case is.

[00:07:29] They had confidential informants these people were telling us.

[00:07:33] I'm not talking about the bombing now.

[00:07:34] I'm talking about these other cases.

[00:07:35] And that they would push people, kind of like the Gretner, which, Gretner, whatever her name is, Whitmer, governor up in Michigan.

[00:07:43] Yeah, Gretchen Whitmer.

[00:07:44] Yep.

[00:07:45] They'd fake that case out, kind of like that.

[00:07:47] So, anyway, we had a lot of people come and trying to help us on stuff and be prepared for it, you know,

[00:07:52] what kind of crap we were going to get thrown our way.

[00:07:54] And it was an interesting ride, to say the least.

[00:07:58] What we did in our report, and it's chalk thick of stuff that will just blow people's mind.

[00:08:04] And this thing's been out there for 25 years.

[00:08:07] Nobody sued us or anything.

[00:08:09] And I wondered if that was going to happen.

[00:08:10] Well, that's because if they do, then more evidence will come out in court, and they don't want that at all.

[00:08:14] So, Dr. Bradley, I mixed this up a little bit, and I apologize for that.

[00:08:18] So, Jesse Trinadue, I'm just trying to be clear, is the attorney.

[00:08:20] Kenneth is the one that died.

[00:08:22] They claimed he committed suicide in an Oklahoma City prison.

[00:08:25] He didn't.

[00:08:26] They beat him to death.

[00:08:27] Jesse virtually proved it.

[00:08:29] But yet, A, you know, the evidence is still out there.

[00:08:32] The FBI lying and covering it up.

[00:08:34] Merrick Garland involved in the whole thing then, and he's still wreaking havoc today, Dr. Bradley.

[00:08:40] Well, these guys just don't go away.

[00:08:42] I mean, the guy that ran the Trump impeachment thing, I mean, I first ran into him in 2004,

[00:08:51] testified against his position about the USA Patriot Act when we were having a U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee meeting.

[00:08:57] And, I mean, these guys keep coming back like a bad penny.

[00:09:02] And I'd like to hear some more from Mr. Key.

[00:09:07] But I'm wondering if there's strings you have that tie this thing into federal agents like the Gretchen Whitmer thing that we feed,

[00:09:17] where they actually were the key players, the instruments, the encouragers, the facilitators, the payers, whatever it took,

[00:09:26] to make that happen if there was some tie-in to this thing in Oak City that the federal agents, you know,

[00:09:37] that had basically caused it to happen.

[00:09:41] And McVeigh and Nichols, you know, just happened to be patsies.

[00:09:45] I mean, is there real strong evidence about that?

[00:09:48] I'd love to see that come out, tying it directly to the BATFE and their people that were handlers.

[00:09:57] Well, there's tons of evidence.

[00:09:59] I mentioned the category of prior knowledge.

[00:10:01] There is a ton of evidence on prior knowledge.

[00:10:04] I mean, there's a document I can pull up on my computer while we're doing this interview.

[00:10:08] It's heavily redacted, but enough of it's there that it shows they say blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:10:14] You know, it's like an agent giving a report.

[00:10:16] And he goes, you know, talk to this agent, talk to this, and it's redacted.

[00:10:19] It says clearly and indicates, this agent indicates that this was a fake sting operation that was put together ahead of time and da, da, da, da, da.

[00:10:28] Well, that's not the only thing.

[00:10:29] That's just one thing I'm mentioning.

[00:10:31] There's a ton of prior knowledge, evidences.

[00:10:37] Go ahead and skip the break.

[00:10:39] Here's a story.

[00:10:40] This is going to be a story.

[00:10:41] We've got about three or four minutes.

[00:10:43] Here's one.

[00:10:44] We call it Black Forest.

[00:10:47] So I created this organization.

[00:10:49] A lot of people came to help.

[00:10:51] At the time, we called it the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation and Oklahoma County Grand Jury,

[00:10:58] which we forced a grand jury at the county level to be put in place.

[00:11:02] That's another long story.

[00:11:04] So, gosh, I'm trying not to lose my train of thought here.

[00:11:07] But so we – the people that became – we formally created an organization through the IRS, you know, a nonprofit, blah, blah, blah.

[00:11:16] And I had several people that were on there, members of it and board members like myself.

[00:11:20] One of them was a survivor of the bombing, a guy named VZ – V as in Victor, Z.

[00:11:26] Lawton.

[00:11:27] He worked for HUD at the time.

[00:11:31] He was in the building.

[00:11:32] He was saved because he was behind a column or he would have probably been killed easily.

[00:11:38] But so VZ was German descent.

[00:11:41] He had one son that was in the Air Force station in Germany.

[00:11:45] He had been there forever.

[00:11:47] VZ had gone over there and liked going over there back and forth to visit his son.

[00:11:50] But also he'd found old German relatives from the past, and he liked – he was a real social guy.

[00:11:57] So he goes over there in – oh, I think it was something around March or April of 97.

[00:12:04] He calls me while he's over there, and he goes, Charlie.

[00:12:07] I said, yeah, what's going on?

[00:12:09] He goes, you will not believe what I found while I was over here.

[00:12:12] And I said, what's that?

[00:12:14] He goes, well, I can't tell you over the phone.

[00:12:16] And I kind of laughed.

[00:12:17] I said, well, thanks a lot, and I've got to wait for you to get home to find out what it is you're talking about.

[00:12:22] When he gets back, he tells me this story.

[00:12:24] So VZ's over there, and while he's visiting or whatever, he took some little jaunts, little tourist jaunts.

[00:12:30] And they took one down the Rhine River.

[00:12:32] You know, there's a bunch of other tourists there, and they had a dinner set up afterwards.

[00:12:37] And so they're at this restaurant afterwards, and he's at this one round table.

[00:12:42] There's various round tables sitting around.

[00:12:43] And there's two women, about 40-ish, from America that are there.

[00:12:47] They're cousins and some other people.

[00:12:49] And so they're all talking, and VZ had lost his hearing largely because of the bombing.

[00:12:55] And so he was doing a lot of, huh, excuse me, repeat.

[00:12:58] And so one of those ladies spoke up and said, well, VZ, you've got to get your hearing fixed, you know,

[00:13:03] or something like that in kind of a good-natured way.

[00:13:05] And he laughed.

[00:13:07] He said, well, this is when they found out he was in the bombing.

[00:13:10] At that time, he told them, he goes, well, I was in the Oklahoma City bombing and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:13:14] And everybody wanted to know.

[00:13:15] Well, tell us.

[00:13:16] Tell us all about that.

[00:13:18] So he starts telling them some pretty big stuff like we're talking about here.

[00:13:22] And at one point, one of those ladies, who I'll tell you, she was actually employed at Walter Reed Army Hospital.

[00:13:31] And she actually was employed within a unit, a department, a little small unit within Walter Reed Army Hospital

[00:13:38] that specialized in blast wave, blast overpressure.

[00:13:44] How do you say that?

[00:13:45] Blast wave overpressure victims.

[00:13:49] How do you treat people that are victims of blast wave overpressure, meaning explosive devices?

[00:13:56] I didn't even know there was a department like that.

[00:13:58] She says – so she speaks up and she goes, oh, I bet that's why we got that call.

[00:14:02] And he said, what call is that?

[00:14:04] She said, well, it was either – she said, I can't remember for sure.

[00:14:06] It was either the day before the bombing is on a Wednesday.

[00:14:09] It was either the Tuesday or the Monday before the bombing.

[00:14:11] We get a call from a person that said they were a liaison, a congressional liaison working with the Oklahoma governor's office,

[00:14:22] and they were inquiring about the proper treatment of blast wave overpressure victims.

[00:14:26] I've talked about this so many times, I've got that mouth full down.

[00:14:31] If you think about that, they happened to just be having this meal in Germany, and she says, yeah, we got this call.

[00:14:40] Well, we got the name and number and continued to follow up and met with her.

[00:14:46] Somebody that worked for us, one of our investigators that lived up there actually met with her and went and met with –

[00:14:53] and talked to her supervisor, there was like either – there was either a total of three or four people in there.

[00:14:59] There was one male doctor that was the head of that department.

[00:15:03] And our guy, Roger Charles, he also – who also worked with J.D. Cash and other – and ABC News for a while,

[00:15:11] he's the one that went and interviewed those – both of those people, the woman and the male doctor, in which he confirmed.

[00:15:17] He goes, yeah, we got that call, said the same story that she did.

[00:15:20] And Roger asked him, he said, did you by chance take any notes or anything like that?

[00:15:27] And he goes, yeah, as a matter of fact, I did.

[00:15:28] I did take some notes.

[00:15:30] And he said, well, would you see if you can find those and share them with us?

[00:15:33] And he said, sure, I'll be happy to.

[00:15:35] So I don't remember how long it was afterwards.

[00:15:39] Yeah, then the notes are gone, aren't they?

[00:15:41] Well, then the people clam up.

[00:15:43] The lady was talking to him again also.

[00:15:45] And then after that conversation with the head guy about checking the notes out, they all went silent on them.

[00:15:53] So that's in our book too, but that's a prior knowledge book.

[00:15:56] Here's another one.

[00:15:58] Talk about how these agents operate and everything.

[00:16:01] These two deputy reserve officers that worked the Oklahoma County Fair every year, Oklahoma State Fair every year, contacted me in year number two.

[00:16:10] That would be 1996 as the federal trials were starting to come together.

[00:16:16] Their story, long story short, I'm going to give a couple of details too.

[00:16:20] Their story was that they immediately came to the scene because they're deputy reserve officers with their uniforms on to help with whatever's going on there.

[00:16:32] So they were put at the northwest corner of the building to keep people out from coming, souvenir collectors or whatever.

[00:16:40] And so here comes our congressman, one of our congressmen at the time.

[00:16:44] His name is Ernest Istook.

[00:16:46] And a somewhat famous local attorney named – I had her name and she just dropped – a female.

[00:16:54] And they pull up and get out of a car, and they're walking up towards these guys at that part of the building.

[00:16:59] And she has a camera.

[00:17:00] She's starting to click, click, take pictures.

[00:17:02] So one of them right away says, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[00:17:05] You can't take pictures here.

[00:17:07] And she says, oh, well, I'm here with congressman Istook and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:17:10] We just wanted to take – so they start talking.

[00:17:13] And they say, okay, look, you can take pictures.

[00:17:15] Just make sure you take them up.

[00:17:16] Don't take them – don't let any people get in the pictures.

[00:17:19] They didn't want agents' pictures and whatever.

[00:17:21] So then they kind of separate.

[00:17:24] One stands next to the congressman, and about 30 feet away, the other guy is standing next to the female attorney, Lana Tyree.

[00:17:32] She is her name, Lana.

[00:17:34] And the conversations – here's the conversations of each one individually, the two guys together.

[00:17:40] And so the guy standing next to the congressman was named David, and he had a big wide-brimmed hat on, looks like a highway patrolman.

[00:17:50] That's why they thought these guys were more than deputy reserve sheriffs.

[00:17:53] So he's standing there shoulder-to-shoulder talking to the congressman, and they're talking about how bad it was and terrible and all that kind of stuff.

[00:17:59] And then Ishtuk speaks up and says, yeah, we knew this was going to happen.

[00:18:02] We had a warning on April 9th that a radical Islamic blah, blah, blah group was going to try to blow off the building.

[00:18:12] And the guy turns and looks at him, just turns his head and looks at him and goes, excuse me, sir?

[00:18:15] And he said, yeah, we had knowledge about this since April 9th.

[00:18:19] And then he stopped.

[00:18:19] The congressman said, aren't you highway patrolman?

[00:18:23] And David says, no, I'm deputy reserve officer.

[00:18:26] And the congressman didn't say bye, thank you very much or anything.

[00:18:29] He just turned around and walked away over to the other two people.

[00:18:32] Like, I shouldn't be talking to this guy.

[00:18:35] In the meantime, the attorneys over there are having – it's actually the same conversation with the other guy.

[00:18:40] His name is – I won't tell his name right now, but he's having a conversation with her, and they're doing the same thing, talking about how terrible it is and everything.

[00:18:47] And then they say – and she expounds a little bit on – yes, the congressman told us they found out that on April 9th that there was a threat against the building, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:18:57] Well, they waited to tell us because they said they felt like they wanted to let the feds do their thing and whoever else was investigating.

[00:19:04] And after a year, they could tell it was going away from what really happened, and that's why they contacted us.

[00:19:11] So we did this interview with them and video, audio, tape, the whole thing, and asked them what they wanted to do, what they thought ought to be done with it.

[00:19:20] We never did try to push anybody or make anybody do anything.

[00:19:24] And they said, well, we think there ought to be like a press conference or something like that about it.

[00:19:29] So we talked it through.

[00:19:30] We said, well, are you sure you guys want to do a press conference?

[00:19:32] It's going to be a big deal.

[00:19:34] And they said, yeah.

[00:19:35] So we had a press conference at the site of the bombing right there by the famous tree, and it was carried by every media in the state of Oklahoma except the Daily Oklahoma, the main newspaper.

[00:19:47] They would not carry it live, but it was covered live by TV stations, radio, and print media.

[00:19:54] And it was a big deal.

[00:19:56] There's more to that story, but there's a couple of hot stories right there.

[00:20:02] All right.

[00:20:03] Go ahead, Dr. Bradley.

[00:20:04] I was just going to say, could you expound just briefly on the McVeigh-Nichols connection?

[00:20:12] And if there was simply, I mean, a railroad job, a patsy job, whatever, you know, the Oswald story, whatever.

[00:20:21] I mean, these guys took the whole fall as basically lone wolf.

[00:20:26] You know, they weren't quite lone.

[00:20:28] But tell us a little background, and I know we're running out of time.

[00:20:31] You've got to fly pretty quick, I think.

[00:20:34] But is there anything, any elucidation you can do on those particular guys?

[00:20:39] You know, there's nothing we can do about not knowing really the final details.

[00:20:44] I think everybody's kind of figured out that this was, you know, a fake sting operation or worse maybe, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:20:52] But what we don't know is who changed the deal at the last minute there.

[00:20:56] You know, was it McVeigh or what?

[00:21:00] You know, what was going on there.

[00:21:02] And then there's also information you guys probably have heard this, maybe talked about it on your program before.

[00:21:07] Jennifer McVeigh allegedly, and this is pretty good information.

[00:21:11] The problem is back, you know, finding the backup source to it or getting further confirmation from Jennifer herself.

[00:21:18] But she said allegedly, and I believe this is true from everything we've been able to get,

[00:21:24] that they actually said this, that Tim McVeigh, her brother, told the family that he was not actually leaving the military.

[00:21:31] He was going into a kind of a covert type of military group that was going to do, you know, secret or whatever you want to call it,

[00:21:39] covert kind of drug interdiction, maybe even go after drug warlords and people like that.

[00:21:45] And so there's a question whether or not he was still working for the government or not when the bombing happened.

[00:21:54] So he and Terry Nichols were friends and everything, but it's, you know,

[00:21:59] with the things that have been written out there about McVeigh and Nichols and them

[00:22:04] and what was going on in Tim McVeigh's mind, in my opinion, I feel very strongly about this,

[00:22:10] what a lot of people have done is that they've just jumped on the –

[00:22:14] they've just basically attached themselves to the government story,

[00:22:18] which was a couple of domestic disgruntled guys, blah, blah, blah,

[00:22:22] and maybe a couple, three other people out there, and that was it.

[00:22:26] And then they've just written a book or done a video on that.

[00:22:30] The only stories that I think really have merit, the investigations, is ours.

[00:22:35] Of course, I would think that.

[00:22:37] But you also have J.D. Cash.

[00:22:39] He's got a lot of information also, and so does Jaina Davis,

[00:22:43] who was a NBC reporter for a local affiliate here in Oklahoma City.

[00:22:47] The difference between the investigation is J.D., he gravitated and focused on the domestic part of it

[00:22:57] pretty strongly to where he was very – he would get very angry if somebody tried to suggest

[00:23:02] there was any Middle Eastern or foreign involvement.

[00:23:04] Yeah, which is wrong.

[00:23:05] And then Jaina was the opposite.

[00:23:07] She was trying to say it was all Middle East and all this domestic stuff is a bunch of baloney,

[00:23:12] and she got real – they both got really kind of worked up mostly against each other.

[00:23:16] Well, and it makes you wonder where the truth really lies

[00:23:19] and what agendas they had there at the end as well.

[00:23:22] And even though I used to interview J.D. Cash and everything else,

[00:23:24] I kind of question drawing those kind of conclusions too early on this thing.

[00:23:29] But look, Liberty Roundtable Live, and I want to see if you're involved in this, Mr. Key.

[00:23:33] We want to issue a clarion call for President Donald J. Trump to declassify all information related to the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:23:42] What do you say?

[00:23:43] I agree a thousand percent.

[00:23:45] I mean, why in the world can we not do that?

[00:23:47] You know, there's not any good reason not to do it.

[00:23:50] People deserve to know the truth.

[00:23:52] So, yes, thank you for that.

[00:23:54] All right, where do people get your book?

[00:23:57] And where do people get the – if they want a copy of this incredible report on the Oklahoma City bombing,

[00:24:02] where do they go?

[00:24:02] CharlesKey.com?

[00:24:04] They can go to CharlesKey.com or they can go to Amazon.

[00:24:06] Get it on Amazon.

[00:24:08] God bless you, brother.

[00:24:09] We'll have you back soon.

[00:24:10] Thanks so much for your work.

[00:24:11] If you get this letter written to President Trump, we'll back it a thousand percent.

[00:24:15] Okay, I'll let you know.

[00:24:17] Thank you, Charles Key, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:24:19] Dr. Scott Bradley continues with me.

[00:24:20] Charles Key's got to fly, but he's doing a phenomenal job, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:24:24] I'm telling you right now, hey, why are all roads leading for Jesse Trinidue to find out his brother's murder?

[00:24:31] Why do all roads lead to the Oklahoma City bombing?

[00:24:35] Huh?

[00:24:36] Also then, hey, we're calling for a clarion call for President Donald J. Trump.

[00:24:40] Release all the information.

[00:24:41] Declassify it all.

[00:24:42] Why not?

[00:24:43] Don't we deserve the truth, President?

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[00:30:12] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show.

[00:30:23] Back with you live, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:30:26] We're talking about the Oklahoma City bombing we had on.

[00:30:28] Charles Key doing a phenomenal job.

[00:30:31] Go to CharlesKey.com if you want to get Charles Key's incredible book.

[00:30:35] His timely book is A Clarion Call for Open Government.

[00:30:39] The book is called Stolen Government.

[00:30:40] Check that out.

[00:30:41] Also on his website, CharlesKey.com, you can get a copy of the Oklahoma bombing Alpha Pete Murrah Federal Building Report.

[00:30:50] It's 555 pages of incredible information.

[00:30:54] And look, Kenneth Trenadu was murdered.

[00:30:58] Jesse ties everything to the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:31:00] I mean, why is my first question.

[00:31:02] The prior knowledge that Mr. Key has put together and the evidence therein is incredible.

[00:31:09] We haven't gotten to the bottom of this whole thing, though, and my question is why.

[00:31:12] So Liberty Roundtable Live, along with Mr. Charles Key, issue a clarion call for Donald J. Trump to declassify all information relating to the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:31:25] That's something President Trump should be able to do very easily, Dr. Bradley.

[00:31:30] Well, it would sure seem so.

[00:31:32] And it seems like there's kind of a movement to have something like this happen.

[00:31:39] I mean, you know, when you start talking about releasing the, you know, the JFK assassination material that should have been released when it is during Trump's first administration, you talk about the Robert F.

[00:31:51] Kennedy assassination.

[00:31:53] And the JFK assassination in 1968.

[00:31:55] I mean, I am, like I said earlier in our discussion, these kinds of things are just, they're very frustrating to me.

[00:32:06] These things that happen that have monumental consequences.

[00:32:11] I mean, whether, you know, it was John F. Kennedy's assassination that was lies, lies, and more darn lies.

[00:32:17] With Alan Dulles being the true de facto chair of that committee.

[00:32:22] Dulles and Kennedy hated each other.

[00:32:25] Kennedy had fired him.

[00:32:26] And to make him in charge of the investigation.

[00:32:29] Absurd.

[00:32:30] The Gulf of Tonkin thing in August of 64.

[00:32:35] Tens of thousands of Americans killed.

[00:32:37] Hundreds of thousands of them maimed.

[00:32:39] Millions of Vietnamese killed.

[00:32:41] I mean, these things are hinge points.

[00:32:44] You look at Bobby get killed in 68.

[00:32:47] And this stuff with the Oak City bombing in 95.

[00:32:51] You look at the 9-11 stuff.

[00:32:54] I mean, we have one lie after another that's promoted.

[00:32:59] And Charles Key mentioned something.

[00:33:01] The government's story.

[00:33:03] The government's story.

[00:33:05] That seems to have been raised to ascendancy.

[00:33:08] When every single step of the way, there's cause for concern about not just the completeness of it, but the accuracy and the honesty of it.

[00:33:18] I mean, when you have university architectural organizations looking at the structure of the trade towers in 9-11,

[00:33:27] and how it was impossible that they be brought down that way.

[00:33:31] We have physics professors talking about it.

[00:33:33] And the government just says, oh, no, that's how it happened.

[00:33:36] And everybody just accepts it.

[00:33:38] It's unacceptable.

[00:33:39] I think that with Trump coming in, we've got to put a full court press on exposing some of these, what shall I call them, rumors and propagandas?

[00:33:49] Or, I don't know.

[00:33:51] Well, potential false flag operations.

[00:33:52] Let's be clear.

[00:33:56] Oh, absolutely.

[00:33:58] And if, in fact, the Oklahoma City bombing was a follow-on for the Waco fiasco that happened to try and put a spin on the ATF about they're really the good guys, guys.

[00:34:12] I mean, but then you get this stuff like the fast and furious gun-running stuff that Obama pulled off during his presidency.

[00:34:21] I mean, at every step of the way, these guys are stepping on Americans' rights.

[00:34:28] I mean, and it's just astounding to me when you think about how they use all sorts of angles.

[00:34:37] They don't care who gets killed.

[00:34:38] They don't care how many.

[00:34:40] If you haven't gone back and looked at the Oklahoma City bombing and seen the tragic pictures carrying little baby bodies out of there.

[00:34:48] I mean, there was a daycare center there, of course, that was destroyed during the blast.

[00:34:54] I mean, the people that do these things have absolutely no care.

[00:34:59] There's no virtue they wouldn't steal.

[00:35:01] There's no life they wouldn't take in their diabolical efforts to completely destroy what this country was to begin with.

[00:35:09] And it's interesting.

[00:35:12] Charles made a little interesting side comment about friends of Bill and Hillary.

[00:35:16] Did you catch that?

[00:35:18] I mean, some of these people.

[00:35:19] Yeah, I caught that.

[00:35:20] I was just trying to say I appreciate the shout-out.

[00:35:23] I just didn't want to interrupt him, so I kind of let it go at the time.

[00:35:26] But there you go, you know.

[00:35:28] It's one of those things.

[00:35:29] There's so many ties to people that have held very senior positions in this nation.

[00:35:36] And like I say, the – what's his name?

[00:35:41] Orrin Hatch.

[00:35:41] How quickly I forget.

[00:35:42] And his efforts to get the Patriot Act passed, you know, in 2001, I mean, that was passed through the Congress at cyclonic speed.

[00:35:54] And it was signed by George W. Bush.

[00:35:57] I mean, this is boom, boom, boom, all the way across.

[00:36:00] I'm probably the only American – well, there's got to be somebody else – but the only regular guy that's read every word, cross-referenced it, annotated it, highlighted it.

[00:36:13] Now, by the way, I've got to tell you that I did things all manually, read it myself.

[00:36:19] It's unbelievable.

[00:36:20] And so here's what I'm going to say, that I could not cross-check every single other U.S. code area.

[00:36:32] By my count in the – and this is a manual count, so I didn't do it by computer or anything.

[00:36:40] As I read it, I stroke-tallied it, 214 other aspects of U.S. code, 200 other 14 sections of U.S. code that were affected by the USA Patriot Act.

[00:36:53] I mean, these are encompassing.

[00:36:56] And basically, the only way I can net it out is we don't have a Fourth Amendment anymore.

[00:37:01] Well, and the reality of this is this was Republican-controlled, Republican-passed, Republican-promoted, and everything else, this scandal.

[00:37:08] The Patriot Act, all this stuff.

[00:37:11] And so how much will Donald Trump get to the bottom of these things?

[00:37:13] I don't know, but I have my suspicions that he won't get to the bottom of very much of it.

[00:37:18] We'll be lucky to get him to even release the JFK files, much less – I don't think he'll do the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:37:24] If JFK was in, what, 62? 63?

[00:37:28] 63.

[00:37:28] 63.

[00:37:29] And he's struggling to release that.

[00:37:32] You think he'll release something in 95?

[00:37:35] Well, that's the problem.

[00:37:36] What about 9-11?

[00:37:37] What about – okay, are we going to get to the bottom of how many of these things?

[00:37:40] And as you mentioned, what about the Waco scenario?

[00:37:43] What about all these things?

[00:37:45] And so I have a clarion call to go ahead and do it, Donald Trump.

[00:37:48] Let's get to the bottom of this.

[00:37:49] Let's get to the bottom of the Barack Obama virtual certificate scandal.

[00:37:51] Let's get to the bottom of the Barack Obama scandal that you mentioned, Dr. Bradley.

[00:37:57] Okay?

[00:37:57] But look, all I can tell you is I don't really see any solutions on any of this.

[00:38:03] And I'll tell you why.

[00:38:04] There's a headline right now in the Gateway Pundit.

[00:38:08] Headline says this.

[00:38:09] JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon is secretly advising Donald J. Trump on policy and agenda after his massive win.

[00:38:21] So you're telling me that you've got this big JPMorgan Chase banker Jamie Dimon now whispering in Donald's ear?

[00:38:28] You're not going to get to the bottom of any of this stuff or that kind of stuff going on, doctor.

[00:38:32] Well, if you remember, I mean, I know it was a movie, but you remember Wormtongue and the Lord of the Rings and Theoden, you know, Rohan.

[00:38:42] I mean, maybe it's ancient history to most people.

[00:38:45] But these kind of things, these behind the scenes whispering in the ear.

[00:38:50] I mentioned the lobbyist during the first hour that whispered in the ear to the chair changed the whole tenor of the committee hearing.

[00:38:58] And these guys that are whispering in the ear.

[00:39:01] And this Diamond guy, think about it for a second.

[00:39:04] This guy's an insider insider on the money side.

[00:39:07] And when we talked about this a week ago or so, there was, I brought up the fact that that's exactly how they got the creature from Jekyll Island past.

[00:39:18] Yeah, I mean, Jamie Dimon, when you think about JPMorgan Chase, I mean, that was the Illuminati bank cartel centerpiece.

[00:39:28] Yeah, the Rothschilds and everybody got nothing on these guys.

[00:39:32] The Warburgs, we go on and on.

[00:39:34] Adam Weissop, all these people, right?

[00:39:36] Yeah, and here Trump's, you know, he's appointing people.

[00:39:40] You know, we've got to watch it very carefully because in his first administration, he appointed more deep staters than Barack Obama appointed.

[00:39:48] His full eight years.

[00:39:50] So, you know, there are some people that have got, you know, they've got the limelight, the headlights, the flashlights, whatever is flashing on people that have got the big press on it.

[00:40:01] But, by the way, Pam Bondy, the gal that's replacing the nomination of Matt Gaetz.

[00:40:07] Yeah, she's for red flag laws and everything else.

[00:40:09] Take me on the first due process, second.

[00:40:11] She's a nut.

[00:40:12] Half, I mean, think about, if this is the chief law enforcement officer, so to speak.

[00:40:18] In the United States.

[00:40:20] And they have a heartburn over the Second Amendment.

[00:40:24] How good is that going to turn out?

[00:40:26] What could go wrong here?

[00:40:27] I mean, holy cow.

[00:40:29] These are great concerns.

[00:40:31] Go ahead and skip this break.

[00:40:32] We've got too much to talk about.

[00:40:33] But I want to mention this.

[00:40:34] The other day, I guess it was live on Thursday.

[00:40:37] Dr. Bradley and I were literally talking about George Washington's Thanksgiving proclamation.

[00:40:43] We read the whole thing.

[00:40:45] We discussed it in depth.

[00:40:46] It was very, very good.

[00:40:47] And, man, what a patriot's patriot.

[00:40:50] What a God-fearing leader George Washington was.

[00:40:54] And, now, he's still a man.

[00:40:56] Don't misunderstand me.

[00:40:57] We don't worship the guy.

[00:40:58] I'm just telling you.

[00:40:59] He was true blue.

[00:40:59] Did the very best he could.

[00:41:01] Was he perfect?

[00:41:01] Far from, like the rest of us.

[00:41:02] But, you know what?

[00:41:03] He did a tremendous job.

[00:41:04] And his Thanksgiving proclamation was absolutely inspired and incredible.

[00:41:10] Well, at the time, I said, Dr. Bradley, you know, if I was president, here's what I would do.

[00:41:13] I would basically echo that document.

[00:41:16] I would read it.

[00:41:16] And I would say, I can't improve on this.

[00:41:19] This is so good.

[00:41:19] So relevant.

[00:41:20] So that, anyway.

[00:41:23] And then I said, I wish we could have a president do something similar.

[00:41:27] Well, Trump, I guess, gave his own, I don't know what you want to call it, shout out is the only thing I can call it.

[00:41:34] Because he did it on social media.

[00:41:35] He did it on his Truth Social.

[00:41:37] So Trump wrote on Truth Social, basically, for Thanksgiving.

[00:41:41] He also wrote it on X, so you can't leave Musk out, right?

[00:41:44] Happy Thanksgiving to all, including to the radical left lunatics who have worked so hard to destroy our country.

[00:41:55] But who have miserably failed and will always fail because their ideas and policies are so hopelessly bad that the great people of our nation just gave them a landslide against them.

[00:42:12] All right, anyway, Donald Day Trump.

[00:42:14] Okay, that's what Donald Trump literally said on Thanksgiving.

[00:42:18] And I get that he feels they're destroying the country.

[00:42:21] I get it.

[00:42:21] But this divide, this lack of civility, this, and then you're having Jamie Dimon whisper in your ear.

[00:42:29] You're literally putting a Pam Bondi in place.

[00:42:32] You're literally putting a Marco Rubio in place.

[00:42:35] I mean, I can keep going, right?

[00:42:37] Shall I?

[00:42:37] Anyway, you're putting these people in place, and I go, and you're going to literally shut out this divide saying we're saving the country from these radical, whacked out people.

[00:42:46] Now, I agree they're radical and they're whacked out.

[00:42:49] But I don't see how we're saving the country with this plan.

[00:42:52] What we should be doing is appealing to God and his mercy.

[00:42:54] What we should be doing is repenting on our knees.

[00:42:57] What we should be doing is using language that brings us together at this juncture.

[00:43:03] He did just the opposite, doctor.

[00:43:06] Well, it's a big na-na-na-na-na.

[00:43:08] I mean, you know, you do that on the elementary school playground, you know, when you get some ascendancy over the bully or whatever that just kind of fell from grace.

[00:43:19] But, you know, to be magnanimous in victory and to take a time which should be a solemn remembrance of how blessed the country is and to rub somebody's nose in it and to increase the divide that's within the nation already.

[00:43:35] I mean, half the nation hates the other half is what's really come down to.

[00:43:40] It's wrong, and we shouldn't be doing that.

[00:43:44] There should be something to bring us together with principles-based solutions, reminding us of the goodness of God, the hand of providence, as Washington talked about it in his Thanksgiving address.

[00:44:01] And it just kind of appalls me that the schoolyard bully never quite walks away from the microphone at a little bit of magnanimousness.

[00:44:13] And he wrote it on Truth and X, and I just think, you know what?

[00:44:15] This isn't getting any worse.

[00:44:17] You're literally going to have all the liberals go to this Blue Sky app or whatever it is, and the conservatives will be on Truth Social and on X, and those other guys will be on Blue Sky.

[00:44:26] And you'll just have – I mean, pretty soon we won't even get our information from the same places.

[00:44:30] Truth will be just according to whoever delivers it to which side, and that's their truth, and it's disaster.

[00:44:35] And the reason that I bring this up is because the education department is one thing that, I mean, they've been talking about getting rid of since it was put in place.

[00:44:43] They never did it.

[00:44:44] They never did it at all, and now I don't think they're going to do it again either.

[00:44:52] Marriott Lordi, I think is how you say her name, over at TheBlaze.com put a piece together, says here's what getting rid of the education department could look like.

[00:45:03] Anyway, and it goes on.

[00:45:04] And it's a big old article about, look, all they're going to do is they're going to push all the duties of the education department to other departments, and then they're going to get rid of it.

[00:45:12] So you feel like it's gone, but it's really funded and rebudgeted and repurposed and reconstituted in a bunch of other government agencies.

[00:45:22] So they didn't really get rid of it at all.

[00:45:24] They got rid of the name of it to make you feel good.

[00:45:26] They didn't really get rid of the fundamental core or control in any way, shape, or form.

[00:45:32] And she's predicting that's what's going to go on, and I've been saying that ever since the Republicans have been claiming they were going to get rid of it.

[00:45:39] I've been saying that's what they're going to do.

[00:45:40] They're not going to get rid of anything, Dr. Bradley.

[00:45:42] In fact, I submit it's going to be worse because most people are going to be going, hooray, we got rid of it and look in the wrong direction,

[00:45:48] while they go ahead and push harder in very fundamental choke point ways that will be disastrous.

[00:45:54] I'm just telling you, write it down and remember who's saying this, people.

[00:45:57] What do you think, Dr. Bradley?

[00:45:59] Well, they could very well do that approach.

[00:46:02] And actually what it'll probably do is strengthen the stranglehold that they have on it because what it'll do is it'll bring the education department into other aspects of government intervention at the state levels.

[00:46:18] I mean, first of all, we need to understand that the general government has no authority to be involved in anything whatsoever in an education situation.

[00:46:28] May of 1787, the first draft of the Constitution had a federal government involvement in it.

[00:46:34] By the time they signed it in September of 1787, the federal government had no authority.

[00:46:39] The Tenth Amendment says if we didn't give you the authority, you don't have it.

[00:46:43] So it's an unconstitutional process.

[00:46:46] But we can see, and this is maybe something that the so-called conservatives are happy about.

[00:46:53] Let me just use an example.

[00:46:54] But it shows how the leverage is obtained and then utilized.

[00:46:59] So here's what's being said to these states or cities that don't want to help with the deportation of illegals.

[00:47:07] They say, well, we'll withhold federal funding.

[00:47:10] And, you know, every state has, oh, probably the lowest state is 30% of their baseline budgets for the state come from the federal government.

[00:47:20] It's a huge amount of state government.

[00:47:23] And so it's a leverage.

[00:47:24] You know, they've accepted their nickel.

[00:47:26] We accepted their noose.

[00:47:28] And people are saying, ah, yeah, we got them now.

[00:47:30] They're not going to get any more federal funds if they don't cooperate with us in the deportation of illegals.

[00:47:36] But that happens across every single department.

[00:47:40] The state, I mean, the general government.

[00:47:43] It does.

[00:47:43] Let me give you an example of how they'll move things around just to play games with you.

[00:47:47] So let's just take sex education.

[00:47:49] They'll take it out of the education department and put it into the Department of Health and Human Services, don't you know?

[00:47:54] And therefore, hey, it won't be part of the.

[00:47:56] And they'll do that across the board to where, hey, they'll abolish the education department.

[00:48:00] Everybody will be running around going, woo-hoo, we got it done.

[00:48:02] It's incredible.

[00:48:02] But this same sex education plan, probably an increased plan on transgender and everything else, will be put under the Department of Health and Human Services or, you know, whatever.

[00:48:13] The National Institutes of Health or I don't know where it'll go, but something like that.

[00:48:17] And then what they'll do is because it's a health issue now, they'll have much more teeth than they had before.

[00:48:22] Because now you're dealing with children's health, for crying out loud, not just education, see?

[00:48:26] And so what they'll be able to do is take it 10 times further than they could before.

[00:48:30] So if you're not very careful, they're going to take 1,000 agencies.

[00:48:33] They're going to get rid of 900 agencies.

[00:48:35] They're going to make you believe it's incredible.

[00:48:37] Wow, look at this.

[00:48:38] And now you've got 100 agencies that are 10 times more abusive, 10 times more powerful, 10 times more teeth and funding and everything else to literally hone in and go after you.

[00:48:48] If you're not careful, I'm telling you, I'm predicting this right now, Dr. Bradley.

[00:48:53] Well, absolutely.

[00:48:54] It's a very, very high-risk situation.

[00:48:57] And it's the old magician.

[00:48:59] You watch what his left hand's doing because he's, you know, waving his right hand in the air.

[00:49:04] And this could be a sleight of hand kind of thing that's very easily carried out.

[00:49:08] And basically all of these alphabet soup organizations, whether it's the BATFE or the FDA or the USDA or whatever, they're all unconstitutional.

[00:49:21] They just are.

[00:49:23] And we need to get more principles based to the point that the general government goes out of business, basically.

[00:49:30] I'm not saying for the ones that are foundational to the, you know, establishment of the nation.

[00:49:37] But the rest of them have just been accoutrements that are hanging like chains from the wrists of the Americans.

[00:49:45] And it's a terrible kind of thing.

[00:49:47] We're a mother-may-I society.

[00:49:49] And another example of this is if we're not careful with the tariffs and everything else.

[00:49:53] Donald's planning to put 25% tariffs on Mexico and on Canada.

[00:49:57] Well, the Mexican president just had a big old talk with Donald.

[00:50:00] Donald comes back and says, man, I got her.

[00:50:03] I brought up tariffs.

[00:50:04] She panicked and called me.

[00:50:05] And she's going to stop all the border problems.

[00:50:07] And it's going to be great.

[00:50:09] And she's kind of saying, I didn't agree to any such thing.

[00:50:11] But we sure had a great conversation.

[00:50:12] And now whose story do you believe?

[00:50:14] And now there's migrants coming to the border.

[00:50:16] And we'll see if they get shut down, turned away, stopped, or if they, you know, whatever.

[00:50:20] So we're going to see the truth on that.

[00:50:22] But even Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau visits Trump to talk tariffs.

[00:50:27] In an unplanned meeting, he flew to Mar-a-Lago and they hung out for a while.

[00:50:31] So now you're hanging out with Trudeau, literally, and talking to the Mexican president a day after your announcement.

[00:50:36] Are we going to have these tariffs or not?

[00:50:38] What's it going to do to the American people?

[00:50:40] Unless you get rid of massive taxes on the American people's backs, it'll be disaster.

[00:50:44] So we're seeing half-baked plans and propaganda everywhere.

[00:50:47] And you don't even know who to trust.

[00:50:48] Trust.

[00:50:49] And this confusion is not by accident, doctor.

[00:50:52] Well, I don't trust anybody.

[00:50:54] You know, Reagan used to say trust but verify.

[00:50:57] I say distrust until verified.

[00:51:00] And part of the problem is that, a big part of the problem, is I've said it before, Trump is a pleaser.

[00:51:07] He wants to make the deal.

[00:51:09] They're generally not principles-based.

[00:51:12] When they put the USMCA, the United States-Mexico-Canada agreement, in, Trump was all in.

[00:51:18] So were most of the conservative Republicans.

[00:51:20] And it violates the Constitution.

[00:51:25] So the trade with foreign nations is no longer handled by Congress.

[00:51:28] It's handled by bureaucracies.

[00:51:31] Okay, so these kind of deals, cutting deals, is not how it's done.

[00:51:36] And if Trudeau, the Mexican president, I can't think of her name right now, came and they had a cup of tea and a few cookies with the president-elect,

[00:51:46] and now everybody's saying kumbaya, we're all good buddies, what got sold out at that time?

[00:51:54] I mean, you can't cut deals that are outside the principles.

[00:51:58] And if Trump thinks that cutting a sweet deal makes him a success, it doesn't if you violate principle.

[00:52:06] And that's what's got to be brought to the forefront in every aspect.

[00:52:10] And we're going to, I mean, we've been, shall we say, distrustful, distrust until verified.

[00:52:18] And that's why I bring this up, though.

[00:52:20] We know nothing about the call.

[00:52:21] The Mexican president and our president-elect are coming away with different stories.

[00:52:26] They both praised each other and said they had a great meeting.

[00:52:28] But they have different stories on what it really means or what they've committed to or what they'll do.

[00:52:32] Trudeau flies down on an emergency, but yet we don't have a clue what was discussed in any of those meetings as well.

[00:52:38] I'm a little bit concerned about the president-elect having these private meetings with other nations when he's not even the president.

[00:52:44] And I'm not comfortable with that either, are you?

[00:52:47] He's cutting deals, maybe.

[00:52:49] I mean, we aren't in the meeting.

[00:52:50] I mean, but you're right.

[00:52:51] I'm concerned distrust until verified.

[00:52:53] And I think everything's got to be under a microscope.

[00:52:57] You can't just let the magician work their magic at the superficial level.

[00:53:03] And then behind the scenes, we're getting sold out in a major way.

[00:53:06] Now, I hope and pray, literally pray, that all of my concerns are basically foundless.

[00:53:15] I just pray that they are.

[00:53:17] It was secret meetings and everybody walking away praising the deal.

[00:53:19] It can't be.

[00:53:20] They were enemies before these meetings.

[00:53:22] Basically, Donald's saying, I'm going to slap tariffs.

[00:53:24] And they're going, oh, my gosh, no, you don't.

[00:53:25] We'll have a tariff war if you do.

[00:53:27] And how dare you?

[00:53:27] And I mean, they're angry as all get out.

[00:53:29] Either that's a lie or the meetings are a lie or the backroom dealing is such that we would be shocked if we knew what was going on.

[00:53:36] It can't be any.

[00:53:37] It's got to be one of those scenarios.

[00:53:39] Right.

[00:53:39] And none of it's good.

[00:53:41] Yeah, logs get rolled and we might just get rolled over.

[00:53:45] I mean, that sounds like a, you know, that's a poor image probably.

[00:53:49] But the fact of the matter is that there's a lot at risk right now and we need God's help in sorting things.

[00:53:56] And we've got to never stop asking for that.

[00:54:00] We need transparency and accountability.

[00:54:02] We need repentance for the nation.

[00:54:04] I'll tell you that.

[00:54:05] You know what?

[00:54:06] The solutions are very simple, very easy to do.

[00:54:08] But it takes enough of the American people.

[00:54:11] It takes a humble society.

[00:54:13] And either we will be a humble people by choice or God will make us humble.

[00:54:16] But he will have a humble people.

[00:54:18] Make no mistake about that, ladies and gentlemen.

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