Radio Show Hour 2 – 11/19/2024

[00:00:14] From atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show.

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[00:00:36] This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for November the 19th in the year of our Lord, 2024.

[00:00:42] This is Hour 2 of 2.

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[00:01:10] Richard Mack is still with me.

[00:01:11] Welcome back, Sheriff Mack.

[00:01:13] Thank you very much, Sam.

[00:01:15] It's great to be with you this beautiful Tuesday morning.

[00:01:18] Thank you, sir.

[00:01:19] Last hour, we also had on Sheriff Eric Flowers.

[00:01:23] He's with Indian River County, Florida.

[00:01:26] He's the sheriff down there doing a phenomenal job.

[00:01:28] He just got reelected, so we're happy about all that.

[00:01:32] And there's a lot going on in the country.

[00:01:34] We're going to talk about it.

[00:01:35] Scott Horton with us now.

[00:01:37] Scott is the director of the Libertarian Institute.

[00:01:42] He's also the leader of the online written publication Anti-War.

[00:01:48] He's host of Anti-War Radio and the Scott Horton Show, ScottHortonShow.Substack.com,

[00:01:56] and his website, ScottHorton.org.

[00:02:00] I'm sorry, ScottHorton.org.

[00:02:02] He's a multi-serial author.

[00:02:04] He's written a lot of books.

[00:02:05] He's been standing for peace for quite some time.

[00:02:07] I guess we could say he follows the Prince of Peace, too.

[00:02:10] Welcome to the broadcast, Scott.

[00:02:12] Thank you very much for having me, both of you.

[00:02:15] All right.

[00:02:16] Let's talk a little bit about you and kind of your history.

[00:02:18] How did you get into all this stuff?

[00:02:19] I've watched your work for a long time, sir.

[00:02:23] Oh, you know, I'm just basically anti-government Ron Paul type, you know, from the 1990s.

[00:02:30] That means you're for the proper role of government.

[00:02:33] Yeah, that's right.

[00:02:35] All right.

[00:02:36] So you started your radio show in like 1998, right?

[00:02:41] Yes, sir.

[00:02:42] My first show was Say It Ain't So on Free Radio Austin starting in late 98.

[00:02:46] How did you know that?

[00:02:47] Because I'm a radio host, and I've been around since like 91.

[00:02:51] All right.

[00:02:52] Well, cool.

[00:02:52] Yes, sir.

[00:02:53] So, yep.

[00:02:53] I started a little bit before Alex Jones did, my friend.

[00:02:57] There you go.

[00:02:58] Yeah, he started in 95, 96.

[00:03:01] Yeah, I bought a radio station in 96, and I started in 91, 92 with the Bo Greggs campaign.

[00:03:07] Oh, cool.

[00:03:08] Very cool.

[00:03:08] So, anyway, Sheriff Mack is with us as well.

[00:03:11] You're familiar with Sheriff Mack's work, right?

[00:03:14] Yeah.

[00:03:15] I shared a dinner table with Sheriff Mack at the Libertarian Party convention 20 years ago in Atlanta.

[00:03:23] That was my question if we had ever met.

[00:03:25] And, yeah, I remember that.

[00:03:29] Michael Badnery won that, I believe.

[00:03:32] Yep.

[00:03:33] Yeah.

[00:03:33] And –

[00:03:34] Yeah, very much.

[00:03:34] But that's what I was going to ask you.

[00:03:37] Are you still Libertarian with a capital L, or is it a small L now?

[00:03:43] Well, actually, that's an interesting question.

[00:03:46] Back then, 20 years ago, my dinner partner with you that night was Anthony Gregory.

[00:03:53] It was at that time at the Independent Institute and at lourockwell.com.

[00:03:58] And we had just become good friends.

[00:04:00] And we had an in-depth discussion about this, and we had both decided not to join the Libertarian Party at that time because we thought that it was run by such out-of-touch people that the thing – that there was just really no mileage in it.

[00:04:15] That it would just be better to pal around with antiwar.com and lourockwell.com and the Mises Institute and the movement and do – because what – either of us are real electoral politics guys.

[00:04:27] We want to write and talk about the news and history and what's really going on in the world in that we're libertarians.

[00:04:37] But like Justin Raimondo, we don't want to just talk about libertarianism.

[00:04:41] We want to talk about the America that we live in.

[00:04:44] And so it just seemed like pissing up a rope, frankly.

[00:04:48] I remember the first thing that happened when I got there.

[00:04:50] I walked in a room, and they were giving a Lifetime Achievement Award to somebody I had never heard of before.

[00:04:56] And that's what they always do.

[00:04:58] That's the whole – that's the Libertarian Party in a nutshell, right?

[00:05:01] Well, this guy collected a lot of signatures on a ballot for a race you never heard of and the thing that already ended that nobody knows and didn't matter at all.

[00:05:09] But did he teach anyone anything about being free?

[00:05:12] It was a still open question.

[00:05:14] But then, as long as I'm rambling, to finish the point, something changed a few years ago, and it didn't work out perfectly.

[00:05:23] But basically the deal was I was the ringleader of the evil secret conspiracy to run Dave Smith for president as the Libertarian Party candidate.

[00:05:32] And we already had this guy, Michael Heiss, who was a hardcore Ron Paul guy who wanted to overthrow the very woke and horrible leadership of LP at that time.

[00:05:43] And we're talking late 20-teens.

[00:05:45] And so the let's run Dave Smith for president and let's get rid of these kooks movement came together as the Mises Caucus movement.

[00:05:54] And we did succeed in 2022 in kicking the wokest out.

[00:05:59] And, I mean, these are the kinds of people who wanted to run Joe Walsh for president because, get it, he's so principled that he's opposed to Donald Trump.

[00:06:08] And he's for gay marriage, so I guess he's a libertarian.

[00:06:12] And meanwhile, like the guy who's worse than I know, centrist, liberal, pro-government John McCain type that you can imagine.

[00:06:19] But they couldn't tell.

[00:06:20] They couldn't tell the difference because that's who was leading the LP at that time.

[00:06:24] So we did overthrow them.

[00:06:25] And now the truth is that the Dave Smith conspiracy to run him did not quite work out the way I had hoped.

[00:06:31] However, it's also true and very importantly true that all of the worst, whiniest, woke, little creeps in the LP, they left in humiliation and disgrace.

[00:06:45] They went and created the liberal party where they can go cry with each other about whatever their problem is.

[00:06:51] So we still won.

[00:06:53] We still won.

[00:06:54] And so people should not be disillusioned with that.

[00:06:57] The Libertarian Party is now run by Ron Paul guys, by real libertarians.

[00:07:01] And now, ladies and gentlemen, just to be clear, Scott Horton is the director of the Libertarian Institute, right?

[00:07:08] Right, which actually has nothing to do with the LP itself.

[00:07:12] That's an entirely separate project.

[00:07:16] But as far as the LP goes, I mean, you asked.

[00:07:20] So let me just wrap up on this point.

[00:07:22] Here's the thing.

[00:07:23] We all know, everyone listening to this knows, no series of events could ever happen that would make the Libertarian Party the second party in America, right?

[00:07:33] The right-wing coalition party.

[00:07:35] It's just not going to happen, okay?

[00:07:36] We're not replacing the Republicans, not by any form of magic is that ever going to take place.

[00:07:42] So instead, though – okay, wait, sorry.

[00:07:46] Therefore, the question, obvious question for everyone in your neighborhood, anyone would say, well, then why vote for you?

[00:07:53] You can't win.

[00:07:54] You get 3%.

[00:07:55] They're at like 50-50, and you're at like 2.

[00:07:58] Why would I bother to vote for you?

[00:08:00] And my thing is we have a real answer to that question, okay?

[00:08:04] And it's not just, oh, it's a protest vote.

[00:08:07] If you help us get the percentage high enough, say 5%, 6%, and we help the Republicans lose, might be in our short-term negative interest to help a Democrat win, and that would hurt.

[00:08:22] But then we would have a real leverage over the Republicans that, like, listen, we are in a reason.

[00:08:29] You know what's coming, Scott Horton?

[00:08:30] I'm convinced that's going to happen.

[00:08:33] Yeah.

[00:08:34] Because, see, if we're – think of the right-wing spectrum, okay?

[00:08:37] And part of that right-wing spectrum includes the Libertarian Movement and the Libertarian Party and includes, say, the Constitution Party, right?

[00:08:47] So for members of the Constitution Party and members of the Libertarian Party, why should we vote Republican?

[00:08:55] We already have our own party.

[00:08:58] So, in other words, the GOP better really suck up to us if they want us to vote for them instead of our own guy.

[00:09:08] They better – or they're going to lose because we have somewhere else to go, and we know it, and we like it, and we're willing to use that against them.

[00:09:18] And look at how the Republicans –

[00:09:21] The largest third party in America is the Libertarian Party already, right?

[00:09:25] Of course.

[00:09:27] And look at – you know, in Texas two years ago, they spent like $10 million trying to keep the LP off the ballot.

[00:09:33] Okay?

[00:09:34] Now let me tell you.

[00:09:34] I can tell you because I'm from here.

[00:09:36] The Texas Libertarian Party had no idea that they were that dangerous.

[00:09:40] They didn't even know why this was happening.

[00:09:42] They didn't understand what was the problem.

[00:09:44] But think of it from the Republican Party's point of view.

[00:09:47] This is your margin of victory here, and it can be taken away from you.

[00:09:51] To them, it's a deadly threat.

[00:09:53] Think about the way the Democrats talk about Ralph Nader and the Green Party and Jill Stein.

[00:09:57] Ooh, that Schrader, Jill Stein.

[00:09:58] Because they hate the idea of third parties being able to cut their margin of victory.

[00:10:05] And that means that the small minority, us, we have the leverage if we're willing to use it.

[00:10:12] Can you tell he's a talk show host, ladies and gentlemen?

[00:10:18] He's also an author and really speaks out on antiwar.com.

[00:10:24] He's done so for a long time, and I've followed his work there for quite some time as well.

[00:10:29] And the book is called Provoked, How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in the Ukraine.

[00:10:39] Scott, let's talk a little bit about that because Joe Biden's actions over the weekend, in my opinion, are disastrous.

[00:10:47] Literally trying to push $7 billion to Ukraine before Donald takes over and then basically authorizing or whatever you want to say, pushing for long-range missiles to be fired into Russia.

[00:10:59] I mean, he's going to launch World War III if we're not careful, sir.

[00:11:04] It's certainly – I mean, it's criminal, frankly.

[00:11:09] The fact is he just lost an election to a man who ran avowedly on ending this war.

[00:11:16] You might remember in the debate they said, you say you want to end the war rather than win it?

[00:11:22] Are you going to sell out the Ukrainians?

[00:11:24] They really challenged him.

[00:11:25] And he said, you heard me.

[00:11:28] We're going to end this war.

[00:11:30] That's what I'm running for president on.

[00:11:32] For Joe Biden, who has no political capital whatsoever, who just – his successor just lost every single swing state in an electoral college landslide, however you define that, but in a severe defeat.

[00:11:51] It's essentially –

[00:11:53] Yeah, 312 to 226 or whatever you want to say, right?

[00:11:55] Yeah, I mean, seriously.

[00:11:57] I mean, obviously there are other things, other issues at play.

[00:12:01] But all other things being equal, Biden should be impeached and removed from office for this.

[00:12:05] This is absolutely an outrage for him to escalate the war like this.

[00:12:09] But let me build in a couple caveats for you here about the danger because I know some people are really scared.

[00:12:14] And the fact of the matter is these missiles don't make that much of a difference.

[00:12:19] They make a difference politically because Putin said you better not do this.

[00:12:24] And they do bring more targets into range.

[00:12:27] Okay?

[00:12:28] It's not nothing.

[00:12:29] But it is not a threat to the Russian war effort.

[00:12:33] And it is not a threat to Moscow or the Russian state.

[00:12:36] So the idea that Russia is now going to panic and reach for atom bombs is not right.

[00:12:42] And I know that there are people – and especially there's a political motive to attack Biden to say that he's putting us in that much danger right now.

[00:12:50] But it's important that people understand the true context of the risk of nuclear war.

[00:12:56] It has increased.

[00:12:58] Over the past two and a half years, it has increased.

[00:13:00] And Biden has increased at maybe another point.

[00:13:03] But it is unlikely to break out into that for the main reason – and this is probably why Biden did it, right?

[00:13:09] It's because they're betting that Putin is thinking, well, I better just buy my time and wait until Trump comes.

[00:13:18] So therefore, he's going to take it on the chin, and they can go ahead and help the Ukrainians get a little bit further ahead before the change of power comes.

[00:13:28] Right? That's the thinking in the White House is that Putin – now that Trump has won the election, Putin will be politically constrained from going too far in his reaction, which I think is a safe bet.

[00:13:41] And it's why they did this, and it's why they're scum.

[00:13:44] It's why – it's absolutely horrible and wrong of them to do.

[00:13:48] But I just wouldn't want people to be panicked and afraid because I know – I can see on Twitter some people are really afraid that this is going to get out of control right now.

[00:13:56] And I think – my bet is not.

[00:13:59] It's very bad, but it's not quite that dangerous yet.

[00:14:02] Well, they're also hoping that it makes it harder for Donald to back away, right?

[00:14:07] Right.

[00:14:08] And, yeah, and make it harder for Trump – harder for Vladimir Putin on the other side to deal as well, to constrain his politics.

[00:14:17] After they just got, you know, pummeled in this way, now he's going to sit down.

[00:14:22] But, you know, the thing is about these Democrats – I mean, you guys know this about them – is they're completely stupid.

[00:14:28] I mean there are – so many of the judgments that they make are just based on, like, the same lies that they tell us.

[00:14:36] Like, they really believe it.

[00:14:38] Do you guys remember in December of 2016, the Clinton campaign truly – they really did, and I got a ton of sources for this because it sounds so crazy.

[00:14:48] They're like 10 footnotes for us.

[00:14:49] They really tried to get the CIA to brief the Electoral College that Russia had stolen the election for Trump and that they ought to give it to Hillary.

[00:15:00] Or if not, they ought to at least tie it up and give it to the House of Representatives so the House of Representatives could give it to someone responsible like Colin Powell or Paul Ryan.

[00:15:10] Right?

[00:15:11] Like this – or John Kasich.

[00:15:14] I mean this is insane.

[00:15:15] And there's no way – like, I mean, doesn't that sound completely ridiculous?

[00:15:20] Don't they know who the Electoral College is made up of?

[00:15:22] These aren't cocktail party people from Georgetown.

[00:15:25] The Electoral College are representatives from the state parties from the 50 states.

[00:15:30] You think they're about to sell out Donald Trump over some stupid lie about Vladimir Putin fixing the election?

[00:15:38] But they really pursued that because they didn't seem to understand how stupid it was.

[00:15:45] You know what I mean?

[00:15:46] It's the same kind of thing here.

[00:15:48] I even considered that maybe they're trying to bait Trump into intervening so that then they can try to use the Logan Act against him.

[00:15:56] And say that he's a private citizen and has no right to intervene.

[00:15:59] But that's just not true.

[00:16:01] He just won an election repudiating this, repudiating them on this point almost equal to the others with immigration and the economy.

[00:16:10] Right up there with those is ending this war.

[00:16:13] And he's the current president-elect.

[00:16:16] And Biden, again, is at his absolute lowest point.

[00:16:20] And where even the New York Times and Foreign Affairs magazine and everyone says, the game is up.

[00:16:25] The Wall Street Journal, the game is up.

[00:16:27] Ukraine lost.

[00:16:28] The only question is how much they're going to give up in the negotiation.

[00:16:31] All this pipe dream stuff from two years ago about how they're going to force Russia out of every last square inch of Ukraine and including Crimea.

[00:16:39] Yeah, right.

[00:16:41] Nobody believes that lie anymore.

[00:16:43] Everybody knows that it's going to come to negotiation now.

[00:16:46] And the only question is how much money do we have to spend and how many lives do we have to have lost in the meantime, Sheriff Mack?

[00:16:52] What do you think?

[00:16:52] Do you think that Joe Biden is going to try to get us into a war, though?

[00:16:55] To somehow – I think it's too quiet on the home front, though.

[00:16:58] I think they want to somehow put a fly in the ointment for President Trump, Sheriff Mack.

[00:17:04] Well, I'm more interested in – well, I don't want to downplay the Ukraine thing or international wars because I've assailed every one of them.

[00:17:13] And I'm totally with you on all of that, Scott.

[00:17:17] And so, yes, I've always described myself, even though I joined the Libertarian Party for a little bit, I've joined them all.

[00:17:25] I've been a Democrat.

[00:17:26] I've been a Republican.

[00:17:27] I've never changed my constitutional views.

[00:17:32] And the only reason I was a Democrat is because I had to be a Democrat to win in my home county.

[00:17:37] And people said, oh, you shouldn't have compromised.

[00:17:39] I didn't.

[00:17:40] I just put a D next to my name so I could become Sheriff.

[00:17:44] And that was my goal was to win, not to stay loyal to the Republican Party and the rhinos and John McCain's that I cannot stand.

[00:17:54] So, anyway, but like I say, I've tried every party, Independent American, Constitution, Libertarian, Republican, Democrat, Independent, no party, whatever.

[00:18:08] And I still haven't found what I'm looking for.

[00:18:12] Even the Constitution Party stays too loyal to its party.

[00:18:16] And I said, that's exactly what we don't like about the Democrats and Republicans is they are disloyal to the party and not to principles or the Constitution.

[00:18:26] But my question to you would be, is there an issue with the with the Libertarians that you really find repulsive that said, like, no way.

[00:18:38] Like mine would be abortion, that abortion was OK, that they don't understand the principles of freedom of choice means accountability and freedom means accountability.

[00:18:50] If I choose something and I and I made it my choice out of my own free will, then I must accept the responsibility for that choice.

[00:19:00] Did that ever really get to you or is there another issue that's even more blatant than that?

[00:19:09] Well, in fact, when the Mises Caucus took over the LP that same day, they removed the abortion plank from the platform.

[00:19:17] And they said this is comes down to the individual candidates can take their own position on it.

[00:19:24] And it's one of these issues that's complicated even for libertarians because you could have a pure libertarian philosophy to the letter and argue either case.

[00:19:37] But with from libertarian principles.

[00:19:41] And so there's legitimate disagreement about at what point because it really is, frankly, like a matter of opinion when we believe natural rights kick in.

[00:19:54] If there's such a thing, you know what I mean?

[00:19:56] So, like, these are things where people can find a place to differ, even if they accept the absolute inherent right of life to be protected.

[00:20:07] They could still argue at what point that starts, this, that, whatever.

[00:20:11] So this has never been my issue.

[00:20:13] I think it's a horrible thing, a horrible part of society.

[00:20:19] But I've always, even since I was a kid, I've just hated it as a political issue because of just this thing.

[00:20:26] That it's just purely divisive and essentially unsolvable by argument or consensus of any kind.

[00:20:35] You have, it will always be a fight to have.

[00:20:40] And then that means powerful people can always just dangle it in front of people and say, yeah, but what about abortion?

[00:20:46] And get everybody all distracted when we were all on our way to crucify a banker together.

[00:20:51] And then we, now we all turn on each other again.

[00:20:54] And it happens over and over.

[00:20:56] They do this when, you know, not to sound too commie about it, I'm a free market guy, but I'm just saying real politics are about economics.

[00:21:04] Right?

[00:21:04] Politics is about who government allows to control which resources.

[00:21:11] Right?

[00:21:11] That's what's really going on here.

[00:21:13] And when, that doesn't mean I would support any kind of commie government redistribution of things, something.

[00:21:20] That is what is at issue.

[00:21:22] And when especially right-wingers and left-wingers react to financial crises and oppose bank bailouts.

[00:21:30] I mean, is there anything more insulting?

[00:21:32] Forget abortion.

[00:21:33] Is there anything more insulting than a billionaire getting a welfare check?

[00:21:37] When mom and pop have to go out of business, the Goldman Sachs get saved?

[00:21:42] Like, that is sort of like Biden's age.

[00:21:45] You don't have to have politics.

[00:21:46] You could be anyone in an age group and look at that and know how wrong that is.

[00:21:51] You know?

[00:21:52] They say this if you're a libertarian.

[00:21:54] They say, hey, how long will it be until you're, you know, what's the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist?

[00:21:58] According to Ernie Hancock and some of these other guys, they're like, ah, a couple of election cycles, Scott.

[00:22:03] Right.

[00:22:04] So I bring that up to say, I bring that up to say, though, the new libertarian party would have a different view, right?

[00:22:12] Well, look, yes.

[00:22:13] I mean, well, I don't know.

[00:22:14] I mean, there's quite a bit of anarchism in the libertarian party.

[00:22:18] I think you could be an anarcho-capitalist in theory and also argue from constitutional minarchy or argue from all other things being equal on whichever different topic we're talking about.

[00:22:32] Right.

[00:22:32] So I can make, like, just a philosophical case for abolishing welfare.

[00:22:36] I can make a constitutional case for it.

[00:22:38] Or I could just make all other things being equal.

[00:22:41] We're better off without this for the following 17 practical reasons.

[00:22:45] Right.

[00:22:45] So it's the same kind of thing with everything.

[00:22:47] And I'm, you know, I personally have no use for government.

[00:22:50] To me, Waco is still burning and I'll never get over it.

[00:22:53] That's it.

[00:22:54] I hate them.

[00:22:55] Like a child, I hate them.

[00:22:56] So I'm never going to argue for the state.

[00:23:01] But I can argue from, yes, we all agree that the USA exists under what was George Washington's constitution and pseudo post-World War II system of law since then and whatever kind of thing.

[00:23:16] And, yes, under that, what we should do is abolish the ATF and FBI and bring the troops home from wherever and whatever without – I don't have to argue for abolishing the Congress every time.

[00:23:27] Right.

[00:23:27] I don't have to argue for – I mean if it comes up, but I don't have to argue for abolishing the central bank and abolishing your local sheriff's department every time I open my mouth.

[00:23:39] There are other things that are important.

[00:23:42] And most of the time no one will know what we're talking about if we're just talking about anarchism.

[00:23:46] Most of those discussions are for people inside libertarianism.

[00:23:50] I understand.

[00:23:51] Scott Horton with us, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:23:53] His latest book is called Provoked, How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in the Ukraine, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:24:04] Over and over, the U.S. government officials and their, quote, mainstream media allies have literally called the Russia invasion of Ukraine an unprovoked attack.

[00:24:19] Let's get into the meat and the details of this because that lie has been told for too long.

[00:24:23] Sheriff Richard Mack, yours truly, and Scott Horton continue in seconds on your radio.

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[00:30:18] you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable radio talk show.

[00:30:23] All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen, Scott Horton,

[00:30:26] our guest, the Scott Horton Show, scotthorton.org,

[00:30:31] or scotthortonshow.substack.com to check that out.

[00:30:35] Scott is a well-known author.

[00:30:37] His latest book is called Provoked,

[00:30:40] How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia,

[00:30:44] and basically the disaster in the Ukraine.

[00:30:47] Over and over, the U.S. government officials have lied and said,

[00:30:49] hey, it was this unprovoked attack.

[00:30:52] And, man, they've peddled it so long.

[00:30:53] Now people say, why do you protest so much?

[00:30:58] Because people are starting to kind of get it.

[00:31:00] And thank heavens for people like Scott and antiwar.com

[00:31:03] and others speaking out on this.

[00:31:05] Quickly, Mike from Alaska has a comment.

[00:31:07] Mike?

[00:31:09] Yes, good morning, gentlemen.

[00:31:10] Thank you for your excellent broadcast.

[00:31:13] You fill in some very important time.

[00:31:15] I love it.

[00:31:15] I love this show.

[00:31:18] Sam, I have two comments, a split level.

[00:31:20] When was mandatory jury duty tied to voting?

[00:31:24] And I want to see all land grab acts reverse,

[00:31:27] congressional reversals of every land grab

[00:31:30] performed by crooked administrations

[00:31:34] like the SR-71 Desert Conservation Act

[00:31:37] and Gates of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge up here

[00:31:40] that we can't even get into it.

[00:31:42] Only rich people can see it,

[00:31:44] and only natives get to enjoy it.

[00:31:45] That's BS.

[00:31:47] Anyway, those are my statements.

[00:31:48] Thank you for your excellent show.

[00:31:49] I'll take my answer off hook.

[00:31:53] All right, there you have it.

[00:31:54] My answer to that is this.

[00:31:55] We've got to decrease the size and scope of government.

[00:31:58] Hopefully, Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy

[00:32:00] will really get that done.

[00:32:02] I have my doubts of how far they can go.

[00:32:04] I think most of the country is really wanting handouts

[00:32:07] from the government at this point,

[00:32:08] so I think we're in a serious crisis.

[00:32:11] Scott, do you want to speak to this too?

[00:32:12] Because we might end up with international war

[00:32:14] and civil war at the same time if we're not careful.

[00:32:17] Yeah, no, I'm sorry.

[00:32:19] I have had my nose in Eastern European issues

[00:32:22] for a couple of years straight here

[00:32:24] and I'm not nearly well-educated enough

[00:32:27] on what you guys are talking about there.

[00:32:29] I'm happy to ask you and listen, though.

[00:32:31] I want to know.

[00:32:32] Well, he's just basically saying,

[00:32:34] hey, you know what?

[00:32:34] They're doing all these land grabs.

[00:32:36] They're tying this forced jury service to voting.

[00:32:41] They're doing all these different things internally.

[00:32:44] Go ahead.

[00:32:44] Land grabs.

[00:32:45] Eminent domain, or what are we talking about?

[00:32:47] Well, all kinds of land grabs,

[00:32:49] different ways, different places.

[00:32:51] You know, we look at Russia and Ukraine, for example.

[00:32:54] Hey, are we just protecting our labs in the Ukraine?

[00:32:58] Is that what this is about?

[00:32:59] You know, why are we even involved over there

[00:33:00] would be the question that I would have.

[00:33:03] It sounds more like he's dealing with

[00:33:06] Bureau of Land Management and Forest Service

[00:33:09] and they come in and take,

[00:33:11] they think they own every open range in every state,

[00:33:15] especially in the West.

[00:33:17] And they just simply don't.

[00:33:19] And some states have been pushing back

[00:33:21] and that's what his state needs to do.

[00:33:24] And that would be right in accordance

[00:33:26] with my Supreme Court victory.

[00:33:28] So, Mike, check that out.

[00:33:30] But if you don't have local officials, Mike,

[00:33:33] that are willing to stand and make sure

[00:33:35] that open land is public land,

[00:33:38] it's actually called public land.

[00:33:39] But the only thing the federal government wants

[00:33:41] for public land is that the public stay off

[00:33:43] or it's only for the elites, as you mentioned.

[00:33:47] There has to be a governor and other,

[00:33:50] and the legislature in Alaska,

[00:33:53] where they have no sheriffs, by the way.

[00:33:56] They've got to fight back and do, as Madison said,

[00:34:00] erect the barriers against the encroachments

[00:34:03] of the national authority.

[00:34:05] And so that's really the issue that he's talking about.

[00:34:08] And then, like Sam reiterated,

[00:34:11] the voting means you're on the jury list.

[00:34:15] That's where they get the list for jurors.

[00:34:17] And so if you don't want to be on a jury,

[00:34:23] you know, you probably need to not vote

[00:34:25] because that's where they get the list

[00:34:26] to send them out to people to be on juries.

[00:34:30] I believe that we all should.

[00:34:33] I don't know if it should be mandatory

[00:34:35] because who do you want on a jury?

[00:34:37] Yeah, it's like conscription though a little bit, right?

[00:34:39] But who do you want on a jury when you go?

[00:34:42] The people that are all unemployed

[00:34:43] and don't have anything else to do

[00:34:45] or successful doctors

[00:34:47] and other successful businessmen,

[00:34:51] people who are actually too busy to be on a jury.

[00:34:54] But people who are busy are required to be there.

[00:34:57] And so I really wonder the caliber of people

[00:35:01] if we don't vote and we're not busy

[00:35:04] and only get people who want to do it.

[00:35:08] I think I'm not,

[00:35:11] I don't have too much of a problem

[00:35:12] with the mandatory jury process.

[00:35:13] I have a problem with it because it's like conscription.

[00:35:16] It's like conscription.

[00:35:17] It hasn't been the case in America.

[00:35:19] It got widespread in 1968,

[00:35:21] just so everybody understands.

[00:35:23] It was called the Jury Selection

[00:35:25] and Service Act in 1968.

[00:35:27] That's when it became widespread

[00:35:29] when you force a jury to be selected

[00:35:31] from this fair cross section of the community

[00:35:33] based on rotor roles and stuff.

[00:35:35] It wasn't that way before.

[00:35:36] So I don't like the conscription nature of it.

[00:35:39] Scott, that's my concern.

[00:35:40] And if we're not careful,

[00:35:42] you'll be conscripted into being on a jury,

[00:35:44] conscripted into being in a war,

[00:35:45] foreign or domestic.

[00:35:46] And that's where we're headed.

[00:35:48] They want to put women in the military

[00:35:49] now to deal with these wars.

[00:35:51] And I'm concerned Joe Biden's leading us to a war,

[00:35:53] but I'm also concerned that if we're not careful,

[00:35:55] Donald Trump will escalate in Israel.

[00:35:59] Yeah.

[00:36:00] Well, it's a mess.

[00:36:03] I'll tell you,

[00:36:03] I just skipped jury duty

[00:36:04] when they asked me to do it.

[00:36:07] But, you know,

[00:36:08] I don't know.

[00:36:08] It's,

[00:36:10] yeah, look,

[00:36:10] it's,

[00:36:12] it's,

[00:36:12] well, if I'm ever arrested,

[00:36:13] I want you on the jury.

[00:36:16] Well, I mean,

[00:36:16] this is the thing, right?

[00:36:17] We give the government the authority

[00:36:19] or we somehow allow them

[00:36:21] to continue to hold the authority

[00:36:23] to hold these trials and prosecutions

[00:36:26] and put their hands on people's bodies.

[00:36:28] And so then as part of that same bargain

[00:36:33] is that you get people from the community

[00:36:35] to be the final say,

[00:36:37] not just the government employees,

[00:36:40] but mostly their wives, right?

[00:36:42] Like government employees,

[00:36:44] you know,

[00:36:46] family members are the ones

[00:36:47] who sit on the juries

[00:36:50] and find people.

[00:36:51] Well, they won't let guys like me

[00:36:52] and Scott be on the jury.

[00:36:53] The second they probe us

[00:36:54] and find out we're talk show hosts,

[00:36:55] we're gone.

[00:36:56] We're ditched deep sixed

[00:36:57] in the first place.

[00:36:59] Yeah, seriously.

[00:37:00] Or anybody with a strong opinion

[00:37:01] about liberty.

[00:37:03] But, you know,

[00:37:04] it is,

[00:37:05] it's,

[00:37:05] look,

[00:37:06] once you accept a system

[00:37:08] of civil government

[00:37:10] and civil rights

[00:37:12] and criminal justice

[00:37:13] and what have you,

[00:37:14] then,

[00:37:16] again,

[00:37:17] all other things being equal,

[00:37:19] geez,

[00:37:19] there is sort of

[00:37:21] more like

[00:37:21] a good argument

[00:37:23] for the right,

[00:37:24] the power to subpoena

[00:37:26] people to come

[00:37:27] and testify

[00:37:27] in your defense

[00:37:28] even if they don't want to.

[00:37:29] But if you can compel them

[00:37:31] to tell the truth

[00:37:31] that you really weren't

[00:37:33] the guy they saw that night

[00:37:34] or whatever it is,

[00:37:35] that your life

[00:37:36] is on the line

[00:37:37] or,

[00:37:38] you know,

[00:37:39] whether we're going to have

[00:37:40] juries.

[00:37:40] See,

[00:37:40] they say,

[00:37:40] well,

[00:37:41] we should have

[00:37:41] professional juries.

[00:37:42] That doesn't sound right.

[00:37:43] That just sounds like

[00:37:44] a bunch of government

[00:37:45] employees.

[00:37:45] We do have

[00:37:46] professional juries.

[00:37:47] They're part of the DA's office.

[00:37:48] They're called

[00:37:49] fully informed juries.

[00:37:50] And when people

[00:37:51] understand the topic

[00:37:51] at hand

[00:37:52] and they realize

[00:37:52] that they can judge

[00:37:53] the law

[00:37:54] as much as judge

[00:37:54] the person

[00:37:55] brought before them,

[00:37:56] then when they're

[00:37:57] fully informed,

[00:37:57] that's as professional

[00:37:58] as it gets,

[00:37:59] Scott.

[00:38:00] Yeah,

[00:38:00] well,

[00:38:01] that's what I'm talking about.

[00:38:02] You want to go that way.

[00:38:03] And I think,

[00:38:04] you know,

[00:38:04] again,

[00:38:05] it's just like

[00:38:05] with all this stuff,

[00:38:06] you got to pick

[00:38:07] your battles,

[00:38:07] man.

[00:38:07] I mean,

[00:38:08] for you guys out West

[00:38:09] fighting land wars,

[00:38:10] like you obviously

[00:38:12] have to put that first.

[00:38:13] You can't just let the feds

[00:38:15] walk all over you

[00:38:16] like that.

[00:38:16] There are other people

[00:38:17] got their kids

[00:38:17] at school

[00:38:18] and they got to

[00:38:19] protect their kids

[00:38:19] from the worst

[00:38:20] of the government

[00:38:21] education coming

[00:38:22] down the line.

[00:38:23] The other people,

[00:38:24] kids getting out of school

[00:38:25] afraid their son's

[00:38:26] going to get sent off

[00:38:27] to some horrible war

[00:38:28] that he shouldn't

[00:38:29] be fighting.

[00:38:30] And,

[00:38:30] you know,

[00:38:31] some of us have

[00:38:32] maybe broader

[00:38:33] like political interests,

[00:38:35] but everybody's

[00:38:37] life and liberty

[00:38:38] is at stake

[00:38:39] under this regime.

[00:38:40] It's the most

[00:38:41] powerful government ever.

[00:38:42] Not to quote Ayn Rand

[00:38:43] because I would never

[00:38:44] quote her philosophy

[00:38:45] at you,

[00:38:46] but I do like this quote.

[00:38:47] She said,

[00:38:47] oh,

[00:38:48] you're not interested

[00:38:48] in politics?

[00:38:49] Well,

[00:38:50] politics is interested

[00:38:51] in you.

[00:38:52] And yes,

[00:38:53] it is in a meaningful

[00:38:54] way.

[00:38:54] They want to control

[00:38:55] you 66 ways

[00:38:57] from Sunday.

[00:38:58] Scott,

[00:38:58] do you think that

[00:38:59] this is going to

[00:38:59] turn into a

[00:39:00] World War III scenario?

[00:39:01] I don't mean just

[00:39:02] this Joe Biden move.

[00:39:03] I mean,

[00:39:04] look,

[00:39:04] we're in 131

[00:39:05] or 130 plus

[00:39:06] nation's

[00:39:07] militarily speaking

[00:39:08] right now.

[00:39:09] We spend more money

[00:39:10] on military efforts

[00:39:12] than all other

[00:39:13] nations combined.

[00:39:14] I appreciate that

[00:39:15] Donald is more

[00:39:16] peaceful compared

[00:39:17] to,

[00:39:18] say,

[00:39:18] a Joe Biden

[00:39:18] or a Kamala Harris

[00:39:19] maybe.

[00:39:20] I don't really see

[00:39:21] any of them

[00:39:22] de-escalating war

[00:39:23] to the level

[00:39:24] that you and I would.

[00:39:25] We want anti-war.

[00:39:26] We want to follow

[00:39:26] the Prince of Peace.

[00:39:27] I don't know that

[00:39:28] any of them are

[00:39:29] talking about that.

[00:39:29] And a bunch of hawks

[00:39:30] are being put into

[00:39:31] Trump's administration

[00:39:32] right now.

[00:39:33] So I'm really concerned

[00:39:35] that at some point

[00:39:36] we're just going to

[00:39:36] have rumors of wars

[00:39:38] and perpetual wars.

[00:39:39] And I hope this ends

[00:39:41] but don't think so.

[00:39:42] What do you say?

[00:39:44] Well,

[00:39:44] I mean,

[00:39:45] overall,

[00:39:45] I agree with you

[00:39:46] that times are dark

[00:39:47] and I wish that

[00:39:48] Trump was better.

[00:39:49] I mean,

[00:39:50] and to put it

[00:39:51] in American historical terms,

[00:39:53] I think of it

[00:39:53] like we need

[00:39:54] Jefferson Ron Paul

[00:39:56] and we get Jackson

[00:39:58] who's what?

[00:39:59] Like Rudy Giuliani,

[00:40:00] right?

[00:40:00] He's not Ron Paul.

[00:40:03] He's somewhat

[00:40:04] of a wingnut.

[00:40:05] He colors outside

[00:40:07] the lines

[00:40:07] on some things.

[00:40:10] You know,

[00:40:11] he's willing to make

[00:40:12] a deal with North Korea

[00:40:13] which could be as important

[00:40:14] as anything else

[00:40:14] in the world

[00:40:15] right now to do.

[00:40:16] I won't sell him short

[00:40:18] where,

[00:40:18] you know,

[00:40:19] sometimes he really

[00:40:19] does the right thing

[00:40:20] and he's clearly

[00:40:21] not a son of a bush

[00:40:23] like we all thought

[00:40:24] we were just going

[00:40:25] to be stuck

[00:40:25] with these people

[00:40:26] the rest of our lives.

[00:40:28] So there is

[00:40:29] something there

[00:40:31] but he,

[00:40:32] as a populist

[00:40:32] right winger,

[00:40:33] he is not a libertarian.

[00:40:35] He is not

[00:40:36] a Ron Paul guy

[00:40:37] and quite frankly,

[00:40:38] he's not a reader

[00:40:40] and he's not even

[00:40:41] really interested

[00:40:41] in hearing a lecture

[00:40:42] either, right?

[00:40:43] Like he said,

[00:40:44] I want to know

[00:40:45] about the Golan Heights.

[00:40:46] You got five minutes

[00:40:48] and then he,

[00:40:48] who is he asking?

[00:40:49] He's asking Miriam Adelson

[00:40:50] who's got him a check

[00:40:51] for $100 million

[00:40:52] who was born in Israel

[00:40:54] who's not even

[00:40:55] really an American

[00:40:56] other than for ceremonial

[00:40:57] lobbying purposes

[00:40:58] who says,

[00:40:59] here's the five minute story

[00:41:00] on the Golan Heights.

[00:41:01] We stole it,

[00:41:02] we won it,

[00:41:03] God says we can

[00:41:04] and we'll give you

[00:41:04] a bunch of money

[00:41:05] and what do you care?

[00:41:06] And that means

[00:41:07] he's a war criminal then.

[00:41:09] You've never heard of him

[00:41:10] and he said,

[00:41:10] fine,

[00:41:11] go ahead,

[00:41:11] you can have it

[00:41:12] and he recognized

[00:41:13] the seizure of the Golan Heights.

[00:41:15] That's just like

[00:41:15] one example

[00:41:16] of the way he thinks

[00:41:17] and the way he operates.

[00:41:18] It's extremely transactional

[00:41:20] and extremely incurious.

[00:41:22] Like I'm not going to call him

[00:41:22] George W. Bush stupid

[00:41:24] because he's not,

[00:41:25] but he's,

[00:41:25] he doesn't care

[00:41:27] the way that Ron Paul cares.

[00:41:29] Hell,

[00:41:30] he's not even Rand Paul, dude.

[00:41:31] He is.

[00:41:32] I don't even know that he,

[00:41:33] I don't even know

[00:41:34] that he understands though

[00:41:35] is the problem.

[00:41:36] I don't even think

[00:41:36] he grasps the complications

[00:41:38] of this moral high ground

[00:41:39] that we need to have

[00:41:40] when it comes to

[00:41:40] an anti-war agenda

[00:41:42] or a humble foreign policy

[00:41:44] or whatever you want to call it.

[00:41:45] I don't even know

[00:41:45] that he understands that.

[00:41:47] To him,

[00:41:47] it's like,

[00:41:47] hey,

[00:41:47] I got a good deal for y'all.

[00:41:49] You know what?

[00:41:49] That's right.

[00:41:50] It isn't about that.

[00:41:51] It's the moral high ground, Scott.

[00:41:53] That's right.

[00:41:54] That's right.

[00:41:54] He's saying we're wasting money.

[00:41:56] So just like,

[00:41:56] remember in Syria,

[00:41:57] he goes,

[00:41:58] well,

[00:41:58] look,

[00:41:59] if we can steal the oil

[00:42:00] then we should stay.

[00:42:02] I can't believe

[00:42:03] George Bush went

[00:42:03] and did Iraq War II

[00:42:04] and he didn't even

[00:42:06] take the oil.

[00:42:08] That's what Trump said.

[00:42:09] Should have done better.

[00:42:10] Should have got a better

[00:42:10] art of the deal

[00:42:11] out of that sucker

[00:42:11] while we were there.

[00:42:13] It's that kind of mentality.

[00:42:14] Sheriff Mack,

[00:42:15] what do you think?

[00:42:15] Do you think we're going to end up

[00:42:16] in a World War III?

[00:42:17] I pray we don't,

[00:42:17] but I just see that

[00:42:18] everything we're doing

[00:42:19] is moving us towards war.

[00:42:21] Congress is literally

[00:42:21] trying to get females

[00:42:22] to be in combat

[00:42:24] and they're trying to put

[00:42:26] inscription back in place

[00:42:28] and everything else.

[00:42:28] It seems like

[00:42:29] we're going on

[00:42:29] a psychotic tilt

[00:42:30] as far as I can see.

[00:42:36] Sheriff?

[00:42:39] I think,

[00:42:40] Sam,

[00:42:41] we've been,

[00:42:42] no, no, no,

[00:42:42] I'm here.

[00:42:44] I was getting another call

[00:42:45] and I quieted it

[00:42:46] there for a minute.

[00:42:47] But it's this.

[00:42:50] We've been screaming

[00:42:51] about World War III,

[00:42:53] not screaming,

[00:42:54] but we've been suspicious

[00:42:55] of about,

[00:42:56] ever since World War II.

[00:42:58] And certainly,

[00:42:59] the Cold War,

[00:43:01] as such that it may have been,

[00:43:04] we were worried about that.

[00:43:07] I remember in grade school

[00:43:10] doing atomic bomb exercises

[00:43:13] and crawling under our deaths.

[00:43:15] Like,

[00:43:16] that's going to help us

[00:43:17] be protected

[00:43:17] from an atomic bomb.

[00:43:19] And I don't think that,

[00:43:23] I think most people know

[00:43:24] that an atomic war

[00:43:26] is going to annihilate the Earth

[00:43:29] and annihilate most population.

[00:43:31] And there's some people

[00:43:32] that actually want to do that.

[00:43:34] But,

[00:43:35] for now,

[00:43:37] 60,

[00:43:37] 65 years,

[00:43:39] we've been very suspicious

[00:43:40] of anyone and everyone

[00:43:42] that does war.

[00:43:43] Now,

[00:43:44] don't get me wrong.

[00:43:45] I hate war

[00:43:46] and the United Nations

[00:43:48] has been

[00:43:49] the opposite of peacekeeping.

[00:43:52] And why the United States

[00:43:54] still is participating

[00:43:56] with the UN

[00:43:56] is flabbergasting

[00:44:00] because we pay it all.

[00:44:01] I appreciated what Trump

[00:44:03] did the first time

[00:44:04] in diminishing our role

[00:44:07] in the UN.

[00:44:08] But,

[00:44:08] you know,

[00:44:10] it's either a good thing

[00:44:12] to be in there

[00:44:12] or it's a bad thing.

[00:44:13] And it's obviously horrible.

[00:44:16] And so,

[00:44:18] the United Nations

[00:44:19] has not been diminishing wars.

[00:44:23] Far from it.

[00:44:24] Just the opposite.

[00:44:25] I don't believe

[00:44:26] that we're really headed

[00:44:28] for a World War III

[00:44:32] or nuclear war,

[00:44:33] atomic war.

[00:44:34] But,

[00:44:35] we do have some stupid people

[00:44:37] out there

[00:44:37] that would love

[00:44:39] to have atomic weapons

[00:44:42] and that they would use them.

[00:44:45] So,

[00:44:46] we have to walk

[00:44:48] a fine line

[00:44:48] in making sure

[00:44:49] that countries

[00:44:50] that are going

[00:44:51] to use them

[00:44:52] don't get them.

[00:44:53] And,

[00:44:54] that's one thing

[00:44:55] is that,

[00:44:55] well,

[00:44:56] we're not supposed

[00:44:56] to be interfering

[00:44:57] with other nations.

[00:44:59] And we have atomic bombs,

[00:45:01] so why can't they?

[00:45:02] And,

[00:45:04] there needs to be a push

[00:45:05] to diminish

[00:45:07] atomic weapons.

[00:45:08] We need to get rid of ours.

[00:45:10] Russia needs to get rid of theirs.

[00:45:12] China needs to get rid of theirs.

[00:45:14] And so on.

[00:45:15] I'm more of the idea

[00:45:16] let's bring all of our troops home

[00:45:17] and just defend America first,

[00:45:19] Scott.

[00:45:19] Let's just stay out

[00:45:20] of everybody else's business

[00:45:21] and let's protect our country

[00:45:22] and our people

[00:45:23] and let's promote God,

[00:45:24] family,

[00:45:24] and country

[00:45:25] and be a light on a hill

[00:45:26] and stand for peace

[00:45:27] and be anti-war

[00:45:28] and just say,

[00:45:29] hey,

[00:45:30] don't mess with us

[00:45:30] or we'll clean your clock

[00:45:31] when otherwise

[00:45:32] they were chill.

[00:45:33] What about that idea?

[00:45:34] I totally agree.

[00:45:37] Absolutely.

[00:45:37] Me too.

[00:45:38] And look,

[00:45:38] I agree too

[00:45:39] with the sheriff

[00:45:40] that I don't think

[00:45:40] we're really headed

[00:45:41] toward world war

[00:45:42] just because

[00:45:43] even if,

[00:45:44] like worst case scenario,

[00:45:46] Trump just does

[00:45:46] whatever Netanyahu wants

[00:45:48] and launches a full-scale war

[00:45:49] against the Shiites

[00:45:50] in the Middle East,

[00:45:50] Iran,

[00:45:51] Iraq,

[00:45:52] Syria,

[00:45:53] Hezbollah,

[00:45:54] Houthis in Yemen,

[00:45:56] Russia and China

[00:45:56] aren't going to jump into that.

[00:45:58] They don't give a damn

[00:45:58] about that.

[00:45:59] You know,

[00:46:00] Iran,

[00:46:00] they're supplying

[00:46:01] Russia with some drones,

[00:46:03] supposedly some missiles.

[00:46:04] I don't even know

[00:46:04] if that's true.

[00:46:06] But they're not

[00:46:07] tight allies.

[00:46:08] Russia and Iran

[00:46:09] are,

[00:46:09] you know,

[00:46:10] centuries-old enemies

[00:46:12] and at best

[00:46:12] frenemies

[00:46:14] who keep each other

[00:46:15] at arm's length

[00:46:16] and cooperate

[00:46:16] and cooperate

[00:46:17] sometimes.

[00:46:18] So there's no

[00:46:19] alliance system

[00:46:20] there to trigger.

[00:46:21] And in fact,

[00:46:22] even if America

[00:46:23] went into real war

[00:46:24] with Russia

[00:46:25] or with China,

[00:46:26] I think the other

[00:46:27] would probably

[00:46:28] stay out,

[00:46:29] sensing their advantage

[00:46:30] in staying out.

[00:46:32] I hope you're right.

[00:46:33] kicked off the face

[00:46:34] of the earth.

[00:46:34] Not that I'm recommending it,

[00:46:36] but I'm just saying

[00:46:37] they don't have

[00:46:37] a strong military alliance.

[00:46:39] They talk a lot about

[00:46:40] At some point,

[00:46:41] though,

[00:46:41] the other nations

[00:46:42] of the world

[00:46:42] are going to gang up

[00:46:43] on us and say

[00:46:44] your hegemony's over.

[00:46:46] Well, look,

[00:46:47] I think that day

[00:46:48] is coming

[00:46:48] and the thing is

[00:46:49] is they don't

[00:46:49] have to kill us.

[00:46:50] All they've got to do

[00:46:51] is just lose faith

[00:46:52] in our currency

[00:46:52] and that's the end.

[00:46:54] And at this point,

[00:46:56] the only thing

[00:46:57] to believe in

[00:46:57] is the gun

[00:46:57] to their head.

[00:46:58] The Star Destroyer

[00:46:59] will pull into orbit

[00:47:00] offshore their country

[00:47:02] if they don't do

[00:47:03] as they're told.

[00:47:04] But that wears thin

[00:47:05] and that wears off.

[00:47:06] People start calling bluffs.

[00:47:08] And the only problem

[00:47:09] with that, though,

[00:47:10] is, guys,

[00:47:10] as you know,

[00:47:11] is that every other

[00:47:12] government in the world,

[00:47:13] they also don't know

[00:47:14] how to do anything

[00:47:15] except print money all day.

[00:47:17] And so there is

[00:47:18] no real alternative

[00:47:19] to the U.S. dollar.

[00:47:20] When it comes

[00:47:21] to price inflation,

[00:47:23] monetary inflation,

[00:47:25] it is one of the

[00:47:26] soundest currencies

[00:47:27] in the world.

[00:47:28] And so when they,

[00:47:30] you know,

[00:47:30] back after the last crash,

[00:47:32] they tried to do

[00:47:32] this market basket

[00:47:33] of currencies.

[00:47:34] And it's like,

[00:47:34] really?

[00:47:35] Based on the renminbi?

[00:47:37] And you know what I mean?

[00:47:38] Like, yeah, right.

[00:47:39] I saw a funny thing

[00:47:40] that said everybody

[00:47:41] is a multilateralist

[00:47:43] until someone's

[00:47:45] trying to call in

[00:47:46] their debts

[00:47:46] in renminbi's.

[00:47:48] And then they're like,

[00:47:48] no, we're actually,

[00:47:50] we want

[00:47:52] Benjamin Franklin

[00:47:52] on our currency,

[00:47:53] please.

[00:47:54] So they know

[00:47:55] that they can count on,

[00:47:56] you know,

[00:47:57] not that it'll be worth

[00:47:57] the same in a year

[00:47:58] or two years,

[00:47:59] but it'll be worth

[00:48:00] the same next week.

[00:48:01] You know what I mean?

[00:48:02] It's not going to

[00:48:03] completely collapse

[00:48:04] or hasn't yet

[00:48:05] come to that

[00:48:06] in, you know,

[00:48:07] in its whole history,

[00:48:08] not since what the

[00:48:09] Civil War was the last time

[00:48:10] we had a currency crisis

[00:48:11] at that, I guess.

[00:48:12] What role do you think

[00:48:13] bricks will play though?

[00:48:14] Because they're starting

[00:48:14] to kind of gather

[00:48:15] around that thing

[00:48:16] and at some point

[00:48:17] that might be backed

[00:48:17] by gold partially

[00:48:18] and have a real

[00:48:19] role to play.

[00:48:20] Yeah, that's true.

[00:48:23] That's true.

[00:48:24] And especially

[00:48:24] when you're just

[00:48:25] talking about

[00:48:26] more and more

[00:48:27] and more of the world

[00:48:28] joining up,

[00:48:29] even if they have

[00:48:30] somewhat inefficient

[00:48:31] mixed economies,

[00:48:33] you're just talking

[00:48:33] about overall manpower

[00:48:35] and engineering power

[00:48:36] and material resources

[00:48:37] where America

[00:48:39] is just overmatched

[00:48:40] by the rest of the world.

[00:48:41] And by the way,

[00:48:42] like this was going

[00:48:43] to happen anyway,

[00:48:44] right?

[00:48:44] At the end

[00:48:45] of the Soviet Union,

[00:48:48] you know,

[00:48:48] the Chinese,

[00:48:49] we'd made friends

[00:48:50] with the Chinese,

[00:48:51] but they were only

[00:48:51] really just getting

[00:48:52] into market capitalism

[00:48:54] right at the turn

[00:48:55] of the 80s

[00:48:56] into the 90s.

[00:48:57] The Soviet Union

[00:48:58] was just falling apart.

[00:48:59] They had to go

[00:48:59] through 10 years of hell

[00:49:00] before they could really

[00:49:02] adopt the market economy.

[00:49:03] India was not part

[00:49:05] of the Soviet Union,

[00:49:06] but they had a basically

[00:49:07] pretty commie economy

[00:49:09] in terms of the way

[00:49:10] it was run.

[00:49:11] A real wreck

[00:49:12] in so many ways.

[00:49:14] And then the whole

[00:49:15] rest of the world

[00:49:15] is just everybody's

[00:49:16] coming from poverty

[00:49:17] because that's

[00:49:18] the planet Earth,

[00:49:19] right?

[00:49:19] So there's been

[00:49:21] this huge explosion

[00:49:23] of wealth

[00:49:23] since the adoption

[00:49:25] of mixed,

[00:49:27] more or less,

[00:49:28] market capitalism

[00:49:29] around the world

[00:49:30] since the 1990s

[00:49:32] in such a way

[00:49:33] that, yes,

[00:49:34] all of the

[00:49:35] mid-ranking powers

[00:49:37] like Brazil

[00:49:37] and India

[00:49:38] and even China,

[00:49:40] you know,

[00:49:42] might have used to count

[00:49:43] as a mid-rank power.

[00:49:44] China is now

[00:49:44] a first-rate power.

[00:49:46] India and Brazil

[00:49:47] are much wealthier

[00:49:48] than before.

[00:49:49] Russia is up

[00:49:50] off of their knees

[00:49:51] and now,

[00:49:52] you know,

[00:49:52] not that they're

[00:49:53] a global power,

[00:49:55] they certainly

[00:49:56] have regional weight

[00:49:57] to throw around

[00:49:58] and that has to be

[00:49:59] taken into consideration.

[00:50:00] And so,

[00:50:03] I mean,

[00:50:03] what do we prefer?

[00:50:04] That everybody

[00:50:05] in the world

[00:50:05] still suffer under

[00:50:06] Maoist communism

[00:50:07] and starve and die

[00:50:08] so that we can be rich

[00:50:10] but they all have to be poor?

[00:50:12] No,

[00:50:12] we want,

[00:50:13] you know,

[00:50:14] Chinamen got a right

[00:50:15] to eat too, man.

[00:50:16] We want the world

[00:50:17] to be wealthy.

[00:50:19] The only problem is

[00:50:20] that we,

[00:50:21] our government

[00:50:22] is this corrupt

[00:50:23] world empire

[00:50:24] and

[00:50:24] they stand

[00:50:26] in its way.

[00:50:26] it's determined

[00:50:28] to deny independence

[00:50:29] to every nation

[00:50:30] on the planet

[00:50:30] but every nation

[00:50:32] on the planet,

[00:50:32] certainly the ones

[00:50:33] that can afford it,

[00:50:34] want to assert

[00:50:35] their independence

[00:50:37] and of course

[00:50:38] they do

[00:50:39] and every day

[00:50:41] more and more

[00:50:42] of them

[00:50:42] are able

[00:50:42] to figure out

[00:50:43] ways

[00:50:44] to just go around us.

[00:50:45] You do see,

[00:50:47] for example,

[00:50:48] in Asia,

[00:50:49] deeper and deeper

[00:50:50] trading relationships

[00:50:51] between these countries

[00:50:53] that used to just

[00:50:53] mostly just trade

[00:50:54] with America a lot.

[00:50:55] Now they're trading

[00:50:56] more and more

[00:50:56] with each other

[00:50:57] in as many

[00:50:58] different directions

[00:50:59] as they can

[00:51:00] to diversify their risk

[00:51:01] because you know what?

[00:51:03] The Americans

[00:51:03] might get all totalitarian

[00:51:04] and put a bunch

[00:51:05] of sanctions on you

[00:51:06] and you want to make sure

[00:51:07] that you have

[00:51:08] other alternatives

[00:51:08] and so you do have

[00:51:10] in,

[00:51:11] you know,

[00:51:11] like for example,

[00:51:12] Russian China,

[00:51:13] you have the Chinese

[00:51:14] buying Russian

[00:51:16] oil and gas

[00:51:17] in Chinese currency,

[00:51:19] not in American dollars.

[00:51:21] Yeah,

[00:51:21] and I think

[00:51:22] it's going to continue

[00:51:23] to escalate

[00:51:23] and I hope

[00:51:24] the American people

[00:51:25] can back off

[00:51:26] in a meaningful way.

[00:51:27] I hope we can

[00:51:27] back out of the dollar

[00:51:28] and replace it

[00:51:30] with constitutional currency

[00:51:31] or something like that

[00:51:32] that would be stable

[00:51:32] and I hope

[00:51:33] we don't just see

[00:51:34] the crash

[00:51:34] but I think

[00:51:35] they're going to push us

[00:51:36] to a digital currency

[00:51:37] as well.

[00:51:38] Sheriff Mack,

[00:51:38] do you think

[00:51:39] that's going to be

[00:51:39] a threat?

[00:51:40] Pretty soon you won't

[00:51:41] be able to buy

[00:51:41] or sell anything

[00:51:42] and they'll just

[00:51:42] reprogram your money

[00:51:43] because you're

[00:51:43] on the radio

[00:51:44] with me,

[00:51:44] you know?

[00:51:45] Obviously,

[00:51:45] that is a threat

[00:51:47] but I would like

[00:51:48] to ask Scott

[00:51:48] before we leave

[00:51:49] and you know Sam,

[00:51:51] this is my favorite question.

[00:51:52] Scott,

[00:51:53] what is the number one

[00:51:55] worst thing going on

[00:51:57] in America?

[00:51:58] What is the first thing

[00:51:59] that we've absolutely

[00:52:01] got to change?

[00:52:02] The worst thing

[00:52:03] happening in America

[00:52:04] or the world

[00:52:05] that we've got to stop?

[00:52:07] The number one

[00:52:07] on the list

[00:52:08] that we can change

[00:52:09] and we must do so now.

[00:52:11] What is it?

[00:52:12] I think it's support

[00:52:13] for Israel.

[00:52:15] I think Israel

[00:52:16] is the worst thing

[00:52:16] about America.

[00:52:17] It's an absolute

[00:52:18] moral stain

[00:52:19] in this country.

[00:52:20] It's equivalent

[00:52:21] to like if we just

[00:52:21] still allowed slavery

[00:52:23] in Texas.

[00:52:24] Like, well,

[00:52:25] in this one state

[00:52:26] in the Union

[00:52:26] we still have slavery

[00:52:27] and you're an anti-white-ite

[00:52:29] if you want to stop it

[00:52:31] and we're just

[00:52:32] going to refuse

[00:52:33] and we're just

[00:52:33] going to give them

[00:52:34] billions of dollars

[00:52:35] and we're just

[00:52:35] going to look

[00:52:35] the other way

[00:52:36] and we're just

[00:52:36] going to pretend.

[00:52:37] We're just

[00:52:37] going to go on

[00:52:38] like this.

[00:52:39] It's an absolute

[00:52:40] abomination

[00:52:40] and the thing is

[00:52:42] for people

[00:52:42] who disagree with that

[00:52:43] it's only because

[00:52:44] of your emotions

[00:52:45] from lies

[00:52:46] that you believe

[00:52:47] from earlier.

[00:52:48] Right?

[00:52:48] There's no real case

[00:52:50] for this

[00:52:50] that you could justify.

[00:52:52] People are talking

[00:52:53] about their feelings

[00:52:54] left over

[00:52:55] from what they thought

[00:52:56] they learned

[00:52:56] in Sunday school

[00:52:57] but like quite frankly

[00:52:58] your Sunday school

[00:53:00] teacher was just

[00:53:01] some lady.

[00:53:02] What the hell

[00:53:03] does she know

[00:53:03] about any of this?

[00:53:05] Nothing.

[00:53:05] You know,

[00:53:06] but the truth is

[00:53:07] by their fruits

[00:53:08] you shall know them

[00:53:09] and the level

[00:53:10] of cruelty

[00:53:11] that they inflict

[00:53:12] upon the people

[00:53:13] of Palestine.

[00:53:14] Listen,

[00:53:14] Ben Shapiro

[00:53:15] who for some reason

[00:53:16] somehow is the leader

[00:53:18] of the conservative

[00:53:19] movement in America

[00:53:20] I guess

[00:53:20] he claims

[00:53:22] that

[00:53:22] well what would you do

[00:53:24] if Mexico

[00:53:25] was shooting rockets

[00:53:26] across the river?

[00:53:27] Don't

[00:53:27] doesn't Texas

[00:53:28] and America

[00:53:29] have the right

[00:53:29] to defend themselves?

[00:53:30] But he's just

[00:53:31] lying to you

[00:53:32] right there

[00:53:33] right in your face

[00:53:34] and spitting

[00:53:35] in your eye

[00:53:36] when he frames it

[00:53:37] that way

[00:53:37] because

[00:53:38] the thing is

[00:53:39] about Palestine

[00:53:40] is it's not

[00:53:41] Mexico.

[00:53:42] Palestine

[00:53:43] is an Indian

[00:53:44] reservation.

[00:53:46] Palestine

[00:53:47] was already

[00:53:48] conquered

[00:53:49] all of it.

[00:53:51] Well one thing

[00:53:51] I agree with

[00:53:53] it's an epic battle

[00:53:55] and I stand for peace

[00:53:55] here.

[00:53:56] I love to be on your show

[00:53:56] sometimes Scott.

[00:53:59] Well let's talk.

[00:54:00] It's an epic battle

[00:54:02] and I stand for peace

[00:54:03] and I say we back

[00:54:04] out of Israel

[00:54:04] and every other

[00:54:06] country

[00:54:07] that we seem

[00:54:07] to be the provocateur in.

[00:54:09] The book is called

[00:54:10] Provoked

[00:54:11] ladies and gentlemen

[00:54:11] Scott Horton

[00:54:12] is your author.

[00:54:13] Check it out

[00:54:13] on Amazon

[00:54:14] and everywhere

[00:54:15] you possibly can.

[00:54:16] 690 plus pages

[00:54:17] incredible

[00:54:18] detailed book

[00:54:19] scotthorton.org

[00:54:21] to learn more.

[00:54:21] Thank you Scott.

[00:54:23] Thank you both

[00:54:24] so much.

[00:54:25] Sheriff Mack

[00:54:26] with me ladies

[00:54:26] and gentlemen

[00:54:26] you should become

[00:54:27] a member of the

[00:54:28] Constitutional

[00:54:28] Sheriff's and Peace

[00:54:29] Officers Association

[00:54:30] you can get that

[00:54:31] done at cspoa.org

[00:54:33] and I'm Sam Bushman

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