Radio Show Hour 2 – 11/18/2024

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[00:00:33] This is the broadcast for November the 18th in the year of our Lord 2024.

[00:00:37] The goal is to promote God, family, and country, to protect life, liberty, and property,

[00:00:41] to use the supreme law of the land, the Constitution of the United States of America as our guide,

[00:00:45] to reject revolution unless it's a Jesus revolution.

[00:00:48] Then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:00:51] We want to stand for peace, reject war at every turn.

[00:00:55] My fear is that we might have war the Republican style or the Democrat style.

[00:00:59] They both run for office on the idea that we want peace, but then they go hawkish on us in a hurry.

[00:01:06] And sadly, it seems like which flavor of war do you want?

[00:01:08] The Republican flavor or the Democrat flavor?

[00:01:10] Where will the war start?

[00:01:12] Well, interestingly enough, ladies and gentlemen, over the weekend,

[00:01:19] Joe Biden literally escalated the war in the Ukraine big time.

[00:01:23] Number one, going to send $7 billion plus in military capabilities to the Ukraine before Trump takes office.

[00:01:30] He doesn't want Trump to stop it, so he's putting $7 billion.

[00:01:33] Wow, taxpayer.

[00:01:35] You're getting assaulted by Joe.

[00:01:37] But I'm calling Joe Biden a war criminal personally, and I'll take that right to the bank.

[00:01:41] I think he's a thug.

[00:01:42] He's a war criminal.

[00:01:43] He has no authority to do this from Congress or anywhere else.

[00:01:46] Constitutionally, he's sidewise.

[00:01:48] Morally, internationally, he's sidewise.

[00:01:51] It's insane.

[00:01:52] But here's the thing, okay?

[00:01:55] Donald Trump putting Mike Huckabee in place to be the U.S. ambassador to Israel.

[00:02:01] If we're not very careful, the emergence of World War III is upon us.

[00:02:05] Yeah, that's a big concern.

[00:02:06] How do we respond?

[00:02:07] Well, Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, recently said that World War III has already started.

[00:02:15] You have battles on the ground being coordinated in multiple countries.

[00:02:21] Now, if that's true, my question for Jamie Dimon is we need to get this guy on the stand and say, listen, who's coordinating these wars on the ground?

[00:02:31] Yeah.

[00:02:31] Is it just Russia?

[00:02:33] Is it just the Ukraine?

[00:02:35] Is it just Israel?

[00:02:36] Is it just Hamas?

[00:02:38] Is it Iran?

[00:02:39] Is it North Korea?

[00:02:40] Is it Russia?

[00:02:41] Is it China?

[00:02:42] Is it the United States?

[00:02:43] Who is it that's coordinating?

[00:02:46] And by under what authority are they doing this kind of stuff?

[00:02:50] And so I wanted to bring Lowell Nelson, campaignforliberty.org into the mix because, look, Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty folks, they're some of the most peaceful people leading the charge for a humble foreign policy of anybody.

[00:03:06] And I commend them for their leadership and their efforts on this.

[00:03:09] But if we're not very careful, if you believe Jamie Dimon, we're already in World War III.

[00:03:13] If you're not very careful, though, you just switch from a Democrat style of war to a Republican plan.

[00:03:17] But both seem to be agitating for war and setting the stage for that at every turn, despite their cries for peace along the way.

[00:03:25] Lowell Nelson, welcome.

[00:03:26] And what do you say, sir?

[00:03:29] Well, Sam, whenever I talk about war, one of the sites I go to is antiwar.com.

[00:03:36] Antiwar.com has, you know, hard-hitting journalists, many of whom have lived in war-torn areas and they're very much in the know.

[00:03:48] I guess I trust them more than most.

[00:03:50] It turns out, Sam, that on Friday, Putin had a phone call with the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, and offered to end the war in Ukraine.

[00:04:00] And I don't know if that's what, I mean, I don't know if that's why the powers that pull Biden's strings decided to have him do what he did.

[00:04:11] Because I don't think Biden has the cognitive ability to actually, you know, make a decision like that.

[00:04:16] But I do believe he can be manipulated.

[00:04:20] But this, you know, this was really quite encouraging.

[00:04:23] On Friday, Scholz spoke with Putin for the first time in nearly two years.

[00:04:28] According to the Kremlin, the Russian president noted that the Russian side has never refused and remains open to the resumption of negotiations that were interrupted by the Kiev regime.

[00:04:40] Adding that Russia's proposals are well known and outlined, in particular, in a June speech at the Russian foreign ministry.

[00:04:49] You know, and so basically in that speech, Putin said, if Ukrainian forces withdrew from the Russian annexed territory, adopted a position of neutrality between NATO and Russia, agreed to demilitarize that area of the country, and lifted the Western sanctions, then Russia would bring the war to an end.

[00:05:08] So, I mean, we know what we need to do to bring the war to an end.

[00:05:12] And it seems reasonable, in my opinion, that we should have done this yesterday, right?

[00:05:19] I mean, like two years ago, when Putin first came to the peace table.

[00:05:24] But I suspect what happened, Sam, was that because of this phone call and because of the overtures for peace that Putin and Scholz were making, probably that is why, you know, Putin's handlers had him do what he did.

[00:05:42] And so, which is basically to okay the use of long-range U.S. missiles.

[00:05:49] These are not nuclear warheads.

[00:05:51] These are tactical rocket-launched systems that Ukraine would be firing into Russian territory.

[00:05:59] So, that's my take on it.

[00:06:03] I'm sad to hear that this is what Biden has done.

[00:06:07] But I do agree with you, you know, we can either, you know, greenlight this war, the Democrat war in Ukraine, and we can greenlight the Republican war in Israel and Gaza,

[00:06:20] neither of which are going to result in peace, and both of which would result in destruction on both sides.

[00:06:28] You know, any party that gets involved in war, they lose.

[00:06:31] Whether they win or not, they lose because it takes money and it takes lives, and it's destructive of families.

[00:06:39] And they lose because nine times out of ten, if you're in a war, it's an immoral war, okay?

[00:06:45] I understand defending one's, you know, family and wives and children and country and freedom to worship, however we are what we may, you know, freedom of worship.

[00:06:54] But rarely is that the case.

[00:06:55] When we get into wars, oftentimes it's a battle of immorality to decide who or what can be the top dog.

[00:07:03] It's usually over control and money and power and whatever, seeking to destroy liberty on the altar of control and power and to get gain and these kind of things.

[00:07:13] We've got to really understand it for what it is.

[00:07:16] But I'm afraid that we're, Dr. Bradley said last hour, based on J. Reuben Clark's kind of documented comments back in 1937,

[00:07:23] we're literally on the equivalent of like 1939 when it comes to war right now.

[00:07:28] We're on the brink of this thing.

[00:07:29] And everything that Donald and or Biden is doing seems to be escalating the likelihood of war.

[00:07:36] And when they start to literally in Congress say we want women to be in combat and we want to, you know, escalate the likelihood of conscription and these kinds of things.

[00:07:49] It seems like all heads are knowing and understanding and preparing to engage in war.

[00:07:57] Now, the people don't really realize it, but that's what's happening behind the scenes.

[00:08:00] Jamie Dimon saying we're already in World War III.

[00:08:02] Congress saying, all right, let's cue the death count, if you will.

[00:08:08] Now, let's, okay, I've got to just speak out about this, Lowell, and say we cannot go down this road.

[00:08:14] We've seen history on this and we can't let it repeat.

[00:08:18] Anyway, maybe I'm just too extreme on this, but man, I just feel like we cannot remain silent, Lowell.

[00:08:29] You there, Lowell?

[00:08:31] Uh-oh, we lost Lowell.

[00:08:32] We'll grab Lowell back here.

[00:08:33] We cannot remain silent on this thing, though, people.

[00:08:36] We just can't.

[00:08:38] It's too vital.

[00:08:40] Right?

[00:08:41] Right?

[00:08:44] It's something too critical.

[00:08:46] We cannot remain silent on this.

[00:08:49] This is really, really important, folks, and I wish there was a better way to articulate it for you.

[00:08:55] Lowell, I'm saying this is something that we cannot remain silent about.

[00:08:59] If we're not careful, we're going to basically have history of repeat itself, and we're going to run headlong into a war.

[00:09:04] Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:06] I wouldn't doubt the Democrats.

[00:09:06] I want no part of it.

[00:09:09] Yeah, neither do I.

[00:09:10] I bet the Democrats, they're going to do all the damage they can.

[00:09:14] Well, not the Dems.

[00:09:16] I mean, both parties are at fault here, but the powers that be that pull the strings on these guys, you know, the munitions, armaments, manufacturers, and so forth, they're the ones pulling the strings for these wars.

[00:09:27] They're going to do all they can to engage this administration and the future administration into war.

[00:09:34] There's no question in my mind that's what they're going to want to do.

[00:09:38] So we need to push back against that.

[00:09:41] We need to light up the switchboard at the Capitol.

[00:09:45] Let our members of Congress know this is just not satisfactory at all.

[00:09:49] We need to sue for peace, not for war, Sam.

[00:09:53] Amen to that.

[00:09:54] All right, ladies and gentlemen, the next topic of discussion relates to Ron Paul, who has an incredible play on words for his next column.

[00:10:02] But I dovetail this war discussion into this money discussion because, boy, how are they linked, Lowell?

[00:10:08] Well, yeah, absolutely, Sam.

[00:10:11] They're linked, as you know, because the ability to create infinite amounts of money just by adding zeros to your bank account allows the federal government, the general government, to spend money indiscriminately, right?

[00:10:28] They don't – there's no shortfall of money that they can spend, so they are able then to spend money on war and warfare.

[00:10:38] But right now we're talking about war, and because of the Fed, they're able to spend money indiscriminately and pursue this war.

[00:10:48] But, you know, Ron is saying in his column, he's usually springboarding off the slogan, Make America Great Again.

[00:10:55] His column is entitled, Make Money Free Again.

[00:11:00] And in this column, Sam, he rightly criticizes the Federal Reserve and encourages us to persuade Congress to audit the Fed and then end the Fed.

[00:11:09] He wrote this column because Jerome Powell held a press conference where he said he would not comply with any presidential request that he stepped down before his term ends in May of 26.

[00:11:21] In other words, he basically said he was not going to let Trump fire him because he believes Trump doesn't have the legal authority to do that.

[00:11:30] Well, does Trump want Jerome Powell to step down?

[00:11:33] Well, not necessarily.

[00:11:34] Trump just wants Powell to consult with him before changing interest rates or taking any other significant action.

[00:11:43] Well, you can bet that Powell will be persuading Congress not to give Trump any such authority.

[00:11:49] Powell will claim that the Fed must be independent of partisan influence.

[00:11:54] But, you know, Ron Paul correctly observes that the Fed has never been freed of political pressure.

[00:12:00] Presidents have attempted to influence the Fed ever since it was created.

[00:12:04] Quote, requiring the Fed to consult with the president would at least make the president's efforts to influence monetary policy open and transparent.

[00:12:13] End of quote.

[00:12:14] Yeah, I think that's true.

[00:12:16] But nothing's really going to change, though, Sam, even if Congress makes things more transparent.

[00:12:21] Why is that the case?

[00:12:22] Well, because every administration in government wants low interest rates.

[00:12:28] Why do they want low interest rates?

[00:12:29] Because that allows them, well, they equate low interest rates to the economic growth.

[00:12:38] And politicians, they like to be associated with economic growth because it makes their reelection easier.

[00:12:45] Right?

[00:12:46] They can tout this.

[00:12:47] They can brag about this to their constituency that look how good the economy is doing because I'm in office and I'm here making things good for you.

[00:12:55] So that's why they want low interest rates.

[00:12:58] But those low interest rates just result in more money printing and more inflation, price inflation, which ends up hurting the consumer, primarily the middle class, who they want to destroy the middle class here in America.

[00:13:12] Well, Trump and most other politicians, they think they're wise enough to determine the correct interest rate, wiser than the Fed.

[00:13:21] But Dr. Paul wisely writes this, quote, this ignores the fact that interest rates are the price of money.

[00:13:29] And like all prices are shaped by a variety of constantly changing factors.

[00:13:34] When the Fed manipulates interest rates, it distorts the signal sent to investors.

[00:13:39] And the result is the boom bust business cycle.

[00:13:44] End of quote.

[00:13:45] So I want to repeat that statement, Sam, because it is the essential argument against the Fed.

[00:13:52] Interest rates are the price of money.

[00:13:54] And like all prices are shaped by a variety of constantly changing factors.

[00:13:59] When the Fed manipulates interest rates, it distorts the signals sent to investors.

[00:14:05] The result is the boom bust business cycle.

[00:14:10] End of quote.

[00:14:12] Well, Ron Paul then adds this sobering reality.

[00:14:14] He says the fiat system is also responsible for rising income inequality and the decline of the dollar's purchasing power, which has lowered most Americans' standard of living.

[00:14:27] End of quote.

[00:14:28] And finally, he explains what ought to be done because Ron Paul always has good answers.

[00:14:33] He has thoughtful answers.

[00:14:35] He says President Trump should work to eliminate the need for the Fed to keep interest rates low.

[00:14:40] He can do this by fighting for massive spending cuts, starting with the military-industrial complex.

[00:14:46] He should also push Congress to pass it.

[00:14:49] I'm going to stop you there really quick, Lowell, and say this.

[00:14:51] That's the tie I'm talking about.

[00:14:52] If we want to back away from wars, the first thing we need to do is chop off their money so they can't just randomly, willy-nilly.

[00:15:00] Look, Joe's going to send $7 billion before Donald takes office in a lame duck situation.

[00:15:06] Okay, that's criminal activity, folks.

[00:15:08] You can't just do that kind of stuff.

[00:15:09] Well, that's what's happening right now because they have endless money.

[00:15:12] Hey, we've got to stop that.

[00:15:14] This is the key to getting that done.

[00:15:17] Absolutely right, Sam.

[00:15:19] And so President Trump should also support the legalization of competing currencies.

[00:15:27] The forthcoming tax bill should include a provision exempting precious metals and cryptocurrencies from capital gains taxes.

[00:15:34] See, here in Utah, I know that we don't have capital gains on the exchange of money, you know, silver and gold for the fiat currency.

[00:15:41] But the Feds, apparently they still do.

[00:15:44] So, you know, there's still a choke on that.

[00:15:48] Money is not truly free yet.

[00:15:50] But the key to make America great again is to make money free again.

[00:15:55] In other words, Sam, the government should not be taxing the use of money, right?

[00:16:00] Trading gold and silver for other commodities, you know, even fiat currency should not be a taxable event.

[00:16:08] The government should not intervene in the marketplace by putting a price on money.

[00:16:12] That, really, should be set by individuals in the marketplace.

[00:16:15] In other words, if I'm going to borrow money from you, Sam, you and I should be able to agree on the price of interest, the price of my borrowing money from you.

[00:16:24] That should be our decision, not the decision made by some central planning agency.

[00:16:31] So, anyway, Sam, that's the essence of the call.

[00:16:34] Yeah, now let me make a couple of comments on this that I think are really relevant to this.

[00:16:39] Number one, if you want to reduce war, folks, the best way to do it is to chop off the unlimited money supply.

[00:16:44] Okay, that's how they're getting it done.

[00:16:45] It's unconstitutional, it's immoral, and it's got to stop.

[00:16:48] But it's also ironic, Lowell, that, you know what, free money would let the American people become richer.

[00:16:56] When I say free money, I mean not penalized by government, constitutional currency, would empower the American people to have plenty of money.

[00:17:03] The greatest economic engine of the world would continue to be unleashed in a very good way for all boats would rise with that reality.

[00:17:11] However, what they do is they charge for the cost of money, they create a monopoly on money, fiat currency, and then the American people suffer.

[00:17:20] They grind the face of the poor while they spend into oblivion with this plan in place.

[00:17:24] So government gains when they have fiat money.

[00:17:27] The people gain when we have honest money.

[00:17:30] Understand that reality check as we go into suppose a Donald Trump's plan to change the game and really restrict spending and shut down government agencies and everything else.

[00:17:39] The only way to really get a handle on this and empower the people and limit the scope of government is to return to honest money.

[00:17:44] There is no other way.

[00:17:45] I don't care what else you do.

[00:17:47] You might have a temporary help.

[00:17:48] You might look good.

[00:17:49] You might feel good for a while.

[00:17:51] But I'm telling you right now, as long as you leave that cocaine, that crack spending in place, it might get stopped on a Donald for two years and then just escalate again.

[00:17:59] Unless you chop off the head of that viper, in other words, audit and end the Fed, it's temporary in nature.

[00:18:08] That crack cocaine will come to play again and will fund the next war and will fund the next destruction of everything we hold dear.

[00:18:14] If you're not very careful indeed, I'm warning you now.

[00:18:17] Anyway, lol, there's my commentary.

[00:18:19] Well, I love that, Sam.

[00:18:21] And we need to be reminded that the Lord Jesus Christ in the Bible made it very clear that his people would have an honest and a sound system of weights and measures.

[00:18:36] You know, he's talking about money.

[00:18:38] And because we don't have that today, Sam, that's why we are suffering.

[00:18:43] We have allowed this government to impose fiat currency upon us and have that monopoly.

[00:18:50] And that's why we are suffering the consequences of that.

[00:18:55] You know, it's a 100-year-old decision now to have done that.

[00:18:58] But we are suffering the effects of that decision.

[00:19:02] Let's remember that God forbade the use of fiat currency.

[00:19:06] If you want to put it in plain economic modern terms, Jehovah himself forbade the use of fiat currency and fractional reserve banking.

[00:19:17] And yet that's what we've got today.

[00:19:18] And that's why we are suffering so much today.

[00:19:22] We need to get back to a sound and honest system of weights and measures, Sam.

[00:19:27] And we reject a fiat currency, reject fractional reserve banking.

[00:19:31] And, you know, if we did that, and if this federal government only had at its disposal the gold and silver that it collected through the use of tariffs and, you know, and so forth,

[00:19:42] then this government would be, you know, a fraction, a hundredth of its current size.

[00:19:46] It would be a constitutional government.

[00:19:48] We wouldn't be involved in war, killing and destruction of people around the world and the destruction of their families.

[00:19:54] It would be a much better place to live, Sam.

[00:19:57] We're praying that we can advocate for that every day of our lives, ladies and gentlemen, and we pray for success in our efforts.

[00:20:03] We need to turn to God Almighty if we want to realize the effects of those efforts, by the way.

[00:20:08] One of the great ways that we can understand the future is to look back.

[00:20:12] And as we look back and study history, we can apply those principles to make sure that the negatives of history never repeat,

[00:20:19] but that we go forward and learn from history in meaningful ways.

[00:20:23] And one of the great ways to look back is to talk about Forgotten Patriots, Lowell.

[00:20:28] And the Forgotten Patriot I want to talk about today, Sam, is John Dickinson, also known as the Penman of the Revolution.

[00:20:37] Well, it was his birthday last week, November 13th.

[00:20:41] He was born on November 13th in the year 1732.

[00:20:47] And the 10th Amendment Center honored John Dickinson last week in their email.

[00:20:51] If you're not getting emails from the 10th Amendment Center, you're really missing out.

[00:20:56] You've got to visit 10thamendmentcenter.com and sign up today if you'd like their emails.

[00:21:02] They're very informative.

[00:21:04] And so, you know, talking about John Dickinson is just a great example of the type of emails they send out.

[00:21:13] And I was fascinated, Sam, to read about this founder.

[00:21:17] I learned so much about him just from this one email that I had not known.

[00:21:22] And his life is exemplary, Sam, well worth knowing about.

[00:21:27] I can't believe I didn't know much about this awesome founder.

[00:21:31] Because in the 1700s, Sam, John was almost as famous as Benjamin Franklin.

[00:21:37] He was a fierce defender of natural rights.

[00:21:40] He was the father of the Articles of the Confederation, a leading opponent of the Stamp Act, an influential framer of the Constitution, and so much more.

[00:21:51] I mean, he wrote these letters entitled Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania, first published in 1767 in response to the town send duties and the Quartering Act and other, you know, oppressive actions of Parliament from Great Britain.

[00:22:10] And Dickinson put a real heavy emphasis on liberty, on property rights.

[00:22:15] He said this, he wrote, let these truths be indelibly impressed on our minds that we cannot be happy without being free.

[00:22:24] And that we cannot be free without being secure in our property.

[00:22:29] That we cannot be secure in our property if without our consent others may, as by right, take it away.

[00:22:36] End of quote.

[00:22:37] So, Sam, isn't it interesting that our founding fathers owned their property, or at least I'm pretty sure they did, right?

[00:22:44] In a freehold type of ownership.

[00:22:47] And nobody could tax it or take it away from them.

[00:22:49] And yet, today, you'll lose your house, Sam, if you fail to pay your property taxes on it.

[00:22:55] Me too.

[00:22:56] I mean, if I fail to pay property taxes on my property here in Highland, then the government will come and just take my property away from me.

[00:23:05] And so, you have to ask the question, do I really own my property here in Highland?

[00:23:10] Do you really own your property, your house, Sam?

[00:23:13] Sam, there in American Fork?

[00:23:16] I mean, this is upside down.

[00:23:18] And the founders would not have stood for this situation, Sam.

[00:23:23] I just don't believe they would have tolerated it.

[00:23:28] Anyway, John Dickinson spoke out really strongly about property.

[00:23:34] His letters, by the way, were published in pamphlet form and reprinted in almost all of the colonial newspapers.

[00:23:40] They were read widely both in the colonies and in Europe, primarily in Britain and France.

[00:23:46] I didn't know that.

[00:23:47] But this quickly made Dickinson possibly the second most famous American after Benjamin Franklin at the time.

[00:23:56] Pretty amazing man, Sam.

[00:23:58] He was excellent at warnings.

[00:24:00] He provided some critical warnings, ladies and gentlemen, that helped frame our constitutional republic in very meaningful ways.

[00:24:07] He was not a signer of the Declaration of Independence.

[00:24:10] That doesn't mean he was against it necessarily.

[00:24:13] But anyway, we'll get into that.

[00:24:14] But this guy was an American hero and you've got to know about him.

[00:24:17] Tenth Amendment Center.com gets the credit.

[00:24:19] Lowell breaks it down more in seconds as we continue.

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[00:26:32] The smoke has been blamed on emissions from industries and vehicles and illegal farm fires in neighboring states.

[00:26:38] The BBC's embarrassing Eddie Roshan.

[00:26:40] A typhoon has left at least seven people dead in a landslide, destroyed scores of houses,

[00:26:46] and displaced large numbers of villagers before moving away from the northern Philippines.

[00:26:51] It intensifies a crisis brought on by multiple back-to-back storms.

[00:26:56] News and analysis at townhall.com.

[00:27:01] Supplementing human intelligence with artificial intelligence,

[00:27:04] a Biden team out with a new set of rules governing the application of AI in crucially important infrastructure.

[00:27:10] The Biden administration says the guidelines are aimed at using artificial intelligence in the power grid,

[00:27:16] water system, air travel network, and more.

[00:27:19] Private industry would have to adopt and implement the guidelines,

[00:27:23] which were developed in consultation with the Artificial Intelligence Safety and Security Board.

[00:27:28] Now, the framework recommends AI developers evaluate potentially dangerous capabilities in their products,

[00:27:35] ensure their products align with human-centric values, and protect users' privacy.

[00:27:41] Jason Walker reporting.

[00:27:43] Think slips have gone out to more than 400 Boeing workers.

[00:27:46] The aerospace giant initiating a round of drastic job cuts.

[00:27:49] Boeing plans to let as many as 17,000 people go in the months ahead.

[00:27:54] More on these stories at townhall.com.

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[00:30:12] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains,

[00:30:16] the crossroads of the West.

[00:30:18] You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show.

[00:30:22] Well, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:30:28] My name is Lowell Nelson.

[00:30:29] I'm riding shotgun this morning with your host, Sam Bushman.

[00:30:33] And we're happy to be talking about the forgotten patriot, John Dickinson.

[00:30:38] He's known as the penman of the revolution.

[00:30:42] And the French philosopher Voltaire, by the way,

[00:30:46] after reading the letters that John Dickinson wrote,

[00:30:50] he compared Dickinson to Cicero, the celebrated Roman statesman and philosopher.

[00:30:55] That's how good a writer John Dickinson was.

[00:30:59] He was so well known because of his letters, by the way,

[00:31:02] that he became the leading penman of both the first and the second continental congresses,

[00:31:10] 1774 and 75.

[00:31:12] And he wrote most of their major documents.

[00:31:15] This included petitions to the parliament, to the crown, the British people,

[00:31:19] the Olive Branch Petition, and with Thomas Jefferson,

[00:31:22] the incredibly important Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms.

[00:31:28] We don't often talk about that declaration,

[00:31:30] but it was instrumental in helping people in the colonies

[00:31:38] move toward their resistance, armed resistance, to the British crown.

[00:31:45] Passed unanimously by the Second Continental Congress in July of 75,

[00:31:50] this declaration, I was just talking about,

[00:31:53] Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms.

[00:31:56] This declaration explained to the world the reason why the people were fighting back against the British.

[00:32:02] And remember, folks, this was just over two months after Lexington and Concord, right?

[00:32:08] The shot heard around the world.

[00:32:10] That happened in April of 75.

[00:32:13] And so very, very significant declaration.

[00:32:17] It pointed out that despite their dedication and allegiance to the mother country, England,

[00:32:23] quote, our attachment to no nation on earth should supplant our attachment to liberty, end of quote.

[00:32:31] In other words, nothing should be more important than liberty, basically is what he's saying there.

[00:32:37] And so here now is some biographical background on John Dickinson.

[00:32:42] He was born in Maryland in 1732.

[00:32:46] His family moved to Delaware soon thereafter.

[00:32:48] And get this, Sam, he was homeschooled and was educated deeply in the classics,

[00:32:54] which is reflected in many of his writings that cite people such as Aristotle, Cicero, John Locke, and others.

[00:33:02] Right?

[00:33:03] He was homeschooled, but then he went to London to study law.

[00:33:06] He returned home to win a seat in the Delaware Assembly at age 26.

[00:33:13] And by the way, Sam, I find that that's pretty common among our founders.

[00:33:18] They were very young, young men, very wise, though, for their years.

[00:33:23] Many of them were homeschooled, and many of them went to Europe for their study of law

[00:33:30] and returned and formed this cadre of patriots, this liberty-loving group that was really the genesis of the freedom movement here in the colonies.

[00:33:43] Anyway, John Dickinson went on to law practice in Philadelphia.

[00:33:47] He won a seat in the Pennsylvania Assembly.

[00:33:50] And that's where his first important stand began.

[00:33:53] Well, at the time, Ben Franklin and Joseph Galloway were pushing to revoke the Penn family charter.

[00:34:00] Right?

[00:34:01] Remember, the Penn family got a charter for Pennsylvania.

[00:34:06] That's how Pennsylvania got settled.

[00:34:08] And so Ben Franklin was wanting to turn Pennsylvania into a royal colony.

[00:34:14] In other words, he kicked out the Penn family and bring in the parliament, King George and Great Britain.

[00:34:22] Well, Dickinson did not want Pennsylvania to become a royal colony.

[00:34:27] Yeah, there were problems with the Penn family, but the people could not trust the king and his ministers to do the right thing either.

[00:34:34] And Dickinson reasoned that a far-off government would be more dangerous than a local one.

[00:34:41] And, you know, I think that's an important lesson for us today, Sam.

[00:34:45] I think it's better to have a local siren than a distant one because correcting a local one is easier.

[00:34:53] Yeah, that's a good one except tyrants at all.

[00:34:56] But I agree.

[00:34:57] I reject tyrants of all kinds, local or foreign.

[00:35:00] But the more distant they are, the harder the tyrant is to deal with.

[00:35:03] That's for sure.

[00:35:05] Right on.

[00:35:06] And so, anyway, Dickinson got crosswires with Ben Franklin at this young time of his life.

[00:35:12] And it made Dickinson really quite unpopular because Ben Franklin was very popular at the time.

[00:35:19] I mean, in Pennsylvania, you couldn't find anyone who, you know, more popular than Ben Franklin.

[00:35:25] And so, when Dickinson, you know, lobbied against Ben Franklin's proposal to make Pennsylvania part of the royal, make it a royal colony, it was not a popular thing to do.

[00:35:39] And Dickinson's popularity took a big hit at the time.

[00:35:43] But then, it didn't take long for his views to be seen as almost prophetic as the British soon after passed the hated stamp act.

[00:35:52] And then Dickinson's popularity began to rise again.

[00:35:56] You know, the people realized that Dickinson was right and that Ben Franklin's proposal turning Pennsylvania into a royal colony was probably not the right direction to go.

[00:36:07] And so, Dickinson became the primary drafter of Pennsylvania's anti-Stamp Act and became a delegate to the Stamp Act Congress.

[00:36:18] Very skillful speaker, skillful writer.

[00:36:22] And, anyway, very instrumental.

[00:36:25] I'm going to have to skip because I'm running out of time here.

[00:36:28] Let's talk about Dickinson's, you know, support for the Declaration.

[00:36:33] He actually voted against the motion to declare independence from Great Britain.

[00:36:41] Because why?

[00:36:43] Well, he didn't like the timing.

[00:36:45] He said that, basically, look, I know our passions and our prejudices right now are very strong in favor of independence.

[00:36:55] But he says, I know, too, that I have acquired a character and some popularity with them, both of which I shall risk by opposing this measure.

[00:37:05] But I'd rather risk both than speak or vote contrary to the dictates of my judgments and conscience.

[00:37:12] There's a man, Sam, who listened to the light of Christ inside of him, listened to his heart, listened to his conscience.

[00:37:18] And so when the vote was taken, Sam, rather than voting against his conscience or impeding the efforts of the cause,

[00:37:25] Dickinson left the proceedings so that the vote for independence would still be unanimous,

[00:37:31] even though he did not personally support the motion at the time.

[00:37:35] He supported independence, just not the timing of the Declaration.

[00:37:40] So very, very, very thoughtful.

[00:37:42] And despite his refusal to sign the Declaration of Independence, Sam,

[00:37:46] he was one of the few members of the first and second continental congresses to take up arms in the American Revolution.

[00:37:54] He had already organized a battalion of troops in Philadelphia.

[00:37:58] He led a detachment of 10,000 men supporting George Washington.

[00:38:02] And just days after the signing of the Declaration of Independence in July of that year, 76,

[00:38:09] Dickinson resumed command of his battalion and his regiment, marched to Elizabethtown, New Jersey,

[00:38:14] to help protect the area from a British incursion from Staten Island.

[00:38:19] He later, Sam, did get this, reenlisted as a private in the Kent County militia.

[00:38:24] This was something almost unheard of at the time for a man of his stature.

[00:38:28] He was soon offered a promotion to brigadier general, but he turned that down.

[00:38:33] And so despite claims that he opposed independence, his actions tell an entirely different tale.

[00:38:40] He worked as a private on the front line, Sam.

[00:38:44] And that action there alone proved his desire for independence.

[00:38:49] And if that wasn't enough, the British thought Dickinson was enemy number one.

[00:38:53] Near the end of 77, when British took Philadelphia, Dickinson narrowly escaped with his family before the British,

[00:39:01] believing Dickinson was the ruler of America, as John Adams put it.

[00:39:05] The British burned his estate to the ground in Pennsylvania.

[00:39:11] And also Dickinson took another highly unusual step in 77.

[00:39:16] He liberated all the people who were enslaved to him.

[00:39:19] At first it was a conditional freedom and later an unconditional freedom.

[00:39:23] He was the second founding father to free his slaves prior to 1786 when everybody was doing it.

[00:39:30] Ben Franklin did it before 1770, and Dickinson followed suit in 77.

[00:39:36] And then a decade later, almost all of the founders freed their slaves.

[00:39:40] So very interesting that he was one of the leaders in that respect, too.

[00:39:45] Boy, what else can we say about him?

[00:39:47] He was an influential framer of the Constitution Convention in 1787.

[00:39:53] There were a number of things that he proposed that were adopted by that convention.

[00:40:00] Basically enumerated powers rather than general powers.

[00:40:03] The selection of senators by state legislatures.

[00:40:06] Restriction on states issuing paper money.

[00:40:09] Guarantees of trial by jury and habeas corpus.

[00:40:12] And equal representation for the states in the Senate.

[00:40:16] These are all Dickinson's ideas.

[00:40:18] And so he had a very influential effect there on the Constitutional Convention.

[00:40:25] A great man, a marvelous contributor to our republic.

[00:40:29] It's no wonder they don't talk about this guy in the government schools.

[00:40:32] They don't want you to know about this guy.

[00:40:33] Now, you know, you could say he was wrong on the Declaration of Independence,

[00:40:36] or you could say he was right, that timing might have been a better thing to contemplate.

[00:40:41] Either way, the sad part is somebody does something that, you know, puts them out of favor.

[00:40:45] And so you kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater on this thing.

[00:40:48] You can't do that with this guy.

[00:40:50] This guy brought up one other fundamental principle that I think is really critical for our day.

[00:40:55] Constitutions don't enforce themselves.

[00:40:58] Which is why he strongly emphasized that it's up to the people of the several states to oppose and get the jobs done.

[00:41:05] Okay.

[00:41:06] This is where we can come in and where we can take his guidance and his leadership in our day.

[00:41:11] Look back.

[00:41:12] Go forward, Lowell.

[00:41:14] That's right.

[00:41:15] Because even a good government, if you have a bad administration, it ends badly.

[00:41:21] And so what he said is the people have the answer.

[00:41:25] The supreme sovereignty of the people is where the answer lies.

[00:41:28] He says it is their duty to watch and their right to take care that the Constitution be preserved

[00:41:35] to provide that the republic receive no damage.

[00:41:39] And by the way, Sam, this particular quote is in all capital letters.

[00:41:44] And that's the way he wrote it in the original, in all caps.

[00:41:48] Underscoring the importance of what he was saying.

[00:41:51] Yeah, absolutely, Sam.

[00:41:53] What a man.

[00:41:54] You know, and Thomas, when he died in February of 1808, the news of his passing reached Congress.

[00:42:02] President Thomas Jefferson wrote the following tribute, just really short, Sam.

[00:42:07] Quote, a more estimable man or true patriot could not have left us.

[00:42:13] Among the first of the advocates for the rights of his country when assailed by Great Britain,

[00:42:18] he continued to the last.

[00:42:20] The orthodox advocate of the true principles of our new government,

[00:42:23] and his name will be consecrated in history as one of the great worthies of the revolution.

[00:42:30] End of quote.

[00:42:31] Sam.

[00:42:33] It's important to understand who these people are, ladies and gentlemen,

[00:42:36] because they help us kind of get courage on what the future looks like and what we could become.

[00:42:41] You've got to look at our day and who are those people?

[00:42:43] Who are the movers and the shakers that are making a difference?

[00:42:45] RFK-JR is one of those people.

[00:42:47] Now, by far, I don't agree with him on a lot of topics.

[00:42:49] He's pro-abortioner.

[00:42:50] At least he has been in the past and everything else.

[00:42:53] He's been kind of an insider, elitist family.

[00:42:55] You know, those are concerns.

[00:42:56] But the fact is, when it comes to our food, when it comes to the pharmaceutical companies,

[00:43:02] he has pointed out something that very few have the guts to deliver on.

[00:43:06] And he's basically said, look, these clowns have the pharmaceutical companies in their pocket.

[00:43:11] Therefore, you know, their interests get promoted and the people get sidelined.

[00:43:15] We've got to turn that around.

[00:43:17] And our prayers are that he gets that done, Lowell.

[00:43:20] Right, Sam.

[00:43:21] He blamed America's unhealthy diet on corruption by the very institutions who were tasked to protecting the public.

[00:43:30] Quote, pharmaceutical, hospital, and medical school industries make more money when there are more interventions to perform on Americans.

[00:43:40] And every major pillar of the U.S. health care system makes money when Americans get sick.

[00:43:46] The most valuable asset in this country today is a sick child.

[00:43:52] End of quote.

[00:43:53] Now, hold on.

[00:43:54] I want you to repeat that quote, Lowell, because that is something when you really ponder this.

[00:43:59] Say that again.

[00:44:00] Yeah.

[00:44:01] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:44:02] He talked about the various industries who make money when people are sick and when they have to perform interventions.

[00:44:08] And then he said the most valuable asset in this country today is a sick child.

[00:44:15] End of quote.

[00:44:16] And therefore, for us, if we're interested in liberty and we're interested in God, family, and country, the greatest asset for us is a healthy child.

[00:44:27] Is a healthy child.

[00:44:29] Absolutely right, Sam.

[00:44:30] I mean, you know, if Big Pharma can hook, you know, get a child hooked for life on drugs, you know, like the medicines for ADHD and Ritalin and other, you know, pharmaceutical drugs, which they're dispensing in the schools at alarming rates, then they've got, they just keep the money flowing, Sam.

[00:44:51] It's a moneymaker for Big Pharma.

[00:44:54] And we know that, you know, the conspiring men in the last days, that's what they do.

[00:45:00] They want to make money.

[00:45:01] But they do it at our expense, ladies and gentlemen, whether it's, you know, the fast food industry or all of the additives that they put in our foods nowadays or the pesticides that they spray on our crops.

[00:45:14] They are making us sick.

[00:45:17] Because why?

[00:45:18] Well, because they make more money when the population is sick.

[00:45:23] And so I, like you, Sam, I hope that RFK Jr., as the Director of Health and Human Services, can take a sledgehammer to this corruption.

[00:45:32] I mean, I don't know if he will or can, but I sure hope he will, and I hope that he can.

[00:45:38] This article, by the way, Sam, I really appreciate it so much because of my interest in health.

[00:45:43] It's published in the New American Magazine, the November 25th edition of the magazine.

[00:45:48] The cover story is entitled Making America Sick One Bite at a Time.

[00:45:53] Sam.

[00:45:55] And you and I both know, Sam, that, you know, if I were the great deceiver, right, if I were the adversary, I would try to corrupt every single aspect of life on earth.

[00:46:07] I would target religion, philosophy.

[00:46:10] I would target science and medicine.

[00:46:12] I would target politics and law.

[00:46:14] And I would definitely target agriculture.

[00:46:18] Because, you know, if, you know, I want to make life miserable for people here on this planet.

[00:46:24] I would try to corrupt every single industry.

[00:46:28] And I just appreciate so very much the New American Magazine highlighting the corruption that exists in our food industry.

[00:46:36] Because, you know, sick people, you know, are not able to promote liberty.

[00:46:44] If you don't feel well, you're not going to be out there promoting liberty.

[00:46:47] And if they can make us sick, then they can really put a damper on this movement toward liberty.

[00:46:58] So it's a great article in the New American Magazine talking about how addictive our food is, how processed it is, how many additives and preservatives are put on into our foods.

[00:47:11] And they really say, Sam, that the longer the shelf life, then the shorter the consumer's life.

[00:47:17] Amen to that reality check.

[00:47:19] And, folks, I always want to look back to look forward.

[00:47:20] We need to look back to World War II and Victory Gardens, Lowell.

[00:47:24] Oh, yeah.

[00:47:25] Yeah, because, you know, if we would be growing our own food in our own gardens and husbanding our own orchards, harvesting our own fruit from our own trees,

[00:47:36] then we would be in much, much better health today, much better, better shape.

[00:47:41] We wouldn't be at the mercy of the big ag, they call it, big food, right?

[00:47:46] Because, you know, when everybody buys their food from supermarkets, then they become dependent on this food chain, this supply chain.

[00:47:55] Food stuff coming from commercial, you know, businesses, enterprises.

[00:48:01] And if they can then interrupt the supply chain with some event, you know, some reason, you know, even something like COVID,

[00:48:09] then they can control the amount of food that gets shipped out and distributed to supermarkets around the country.

[00:48:15] And if they can put a chokehold on that, then they can control people, right?

[00:48:20] If you have a hungry people, you can control them because, you know, that's what Stalin did with the people living in the Ukraine in the winter of 31 and 32.

[00:48:32] And that's what could happen here in America if we become so dependent on big food and big pharma for what we eat and for the medicines we get.

[00:48:43] Folks, we simply cannot do that.

[00:48:45] We've got to get back to gardening and to raising fruit in our own orchards.

[00:48:52] And also, Sam, not putting pesticides and using so many pesticides.

[00:48:58] You know, I attended a lecture by Dr. Don Huber, a professor emeritus at Purdue University.

[00:49:05] This was just a couple of weeks ago.

[00:49:07] And I felt I didn't remember talking about this until last night.

[00:49:11] But he explained the impact of glyphosate on the soil, the crop, animal, human and environmental health.

[00:49:19] It was a fascinating lecture.

[00:49:21] And I got a handout from him that I received at the lecture because it went into much, much more detail.

[00:49:29] And we don't have time to talk about everything he said, but basically this glyphosate pesticide, meaning Roundup specifically,

[00:49:39] Roundup is the big problem, biggest problem because everybody uses Roundup to, you know, kill weeds.

[00:49:47] And not only in your own garden and patch your grass, but Big Ag uses Roundup to, they spray their crops with glyphosate, with Roundup.

[00:50:01] And what happens is that this lowers nutrient density in the plants.

[00:50:07] It increases disease.

[00:50:09] It stresses the plants and the need for more pesticides.

[00:50:15] It makes weeds resistant to glyphosate-based herbicides.

[00:50:19] It complicates our abilities to control the pest.

[00:50:22] It adds additional toxic pesticides that our children and our pets are exposed to that are hugely detrimental to our health.

[00:50:32] What does it result in?

[00:50:34] It results in cancer, premature death, kidney and liver failure, infertility, autism, allergies, inflammatory bowel diseases,

[00:50:42] blood disorders.

[00:50:44] And, in fact, Sam, there are no peer-reviewed scientific studies showing that glyphosate is safe for human or animal consumption.

[00:50:53] He even gets into the fact that there's 4,000 times as much glyphosate that's allowed, Big Ag is allowing, than his healthy force.

[00:51:05] Right?

[00:51:06] Some studies show that as little as 0.1 part per billion in drinking water increased infertility, breast cancer, kidney failure, liver failure, and other problems like this.

[00:51:18] I'm just trying skimming here.

[00:51:21] Glyphosate is not safe.

[00:51:23] And, basically, future historians may well look back on our time.

[00:51:29] Speaking of looking back to look forward, they're not going to write about how many pounds of pesticides we did or did not apply.

[00:51:37] They're going to write about how willing we were to sacrifice our children and to jeopardize future generations with this massive,

[00:51:45] indiscriminate use of glyphosate just to benefit the bottom line of a commercial enterprise.

[00:51:52] So it all comes back to money, Sam.

[00:51:55] It comes back to the amount of money that commercial enterprises can make at the expense of the citizens of this country and of other countries.

[00:52:05] You know, a lot of these toxins are outlawed in Europe, but they're not outlawed in the U.S.

[00:52:11] Right?

[00:52:12] Where is the USDA when you need them, Sam?

[00:52:16] It's the kind of thing where we, the people, can take control, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:52:19] This is what I like about schools and, you know, gardening or, you know, whatever, taking care of yourself, victory gardens or whatever else.

[00:52:26] With school, hey, you can individually just yank your kids out, teach them yourself, put them in private school, whatever you got to do.

[00:52:31] You can do it individually, single-handedly.

[00:52:33] It doesn't take a lot of money.

[00:52:35] It takes some dedication and some grit and some sacrifice, but it can be done.

[00:52:38] Same thing with this, Lowell.

[00:52:40] I love this because it doesn't take waiting for Congress, waiting for this, conjoling for that, getting a big enough group for this.

[00:52:46] You can just do it yourself.

[00:52:49] Yeah.

[00:52:50] And it's becoming very popular.

[00:52:52] Homesteading is becoming popular again.

[00:52:54] Raw milk is becoming popular again.

[00:52:56] Organic foods are now the, they're the in thing to do.

[00:53:02] And so, but if you grow your own foods, then you don't have to buy them, right?

[00:53:08] You're not dependent on the supply chain.

[00:53:10] And so right now, it's getting cold.

[00:53:14] We're turning toward winter in North America.

[00:53:17] And so now's not the time to go plant a garden, but you can do a garden if you have like a, what do you call those things?

[00:53:27] Where, oh man, where the sun comes in.

[00:53:32] And so even in the wintertime, if you have the right setup, you can grow vegetables.

[00:53:39] I know that Caleb Warnock, he grows vegetables year round because of, can't even think of the name of this thing anymore.

[00:53:51] But it's warm.

[00:53:53] It's a hot house.

[00:53:55] It's a greenhouse.

[00:53:56] That's why you call them, greenhouse.

[00:53:58] Even in the winter, you can grow gardening vegetables and so forth in your greenhouse, Sam.

[00:54:03] So don't wait for government to get involved today in your own garden and orchard, Sam.

[00:54:09] There is hope in America, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:54:11] There is hope in we the people taking action, turning to God Almighty, getting on our knees and repenting,

[00:54:16] and then standing up and going to work for God, family, and country.

[00:54:18] You can do it via teaching your children yourself.

[00:54:21] You can do it via Victory Gardens in modern times, baby.

[00:54:24] Thank you so much, Lowell.

[00:54:26] You're welcome, Sam.

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