Radio Show Hour 2 – 10/17/2024

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[00:00:31] This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for October the 17th in the year of our Lord, 2024.

[00:00:37] This is Hour 2 of 2 and the goal always is to protect life, liberty, and property,

[00:00:42] to promote God, family, and country, and to do so on your radio and the traditions of our founding fathers.

[00:00:47] Yes, indeed, we use the blueprint for liberty, the supreme law of the land,

[00:00:50] the constitution for the United States of America.

[00:00:51] That is our guide, and as you know, we reject revolution.

[00:00:55] Unless it's a Jesus revolution, then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:00:58] We also highlight the checks and balances brilliantly put in place by the founding fathers

[00:01:02] and one of the peaceful restorative solutions we still have at our fingertips.

[00:01:06] Man, there's so much going on in the news as I continue to play.

[00:01:11] Some of the interviews I did back at the Florida Conference for the Constitutional

[00:01:16] Cherish and Peace Officers Association.

[00:01:17] It was a great conference, man.

[00:01:19] We had a phenomenal time.

[00:01:21] And by the way, if you want to check out both conferences,

[00:01:23] the conference we had in April in Vegas and the one we had in Orlando, Florida in September,

[00:01:28] all you got to do is go to thelibertyconference.com, check them both out.

[00:01:32] All speakers are there.

[00:01:33] But remember, the interviews that we're playing now are not speakers necessarily.

[00:01:37] Some of them are speakers.

[00:01:38] Some of them were just great people at the event with important information for you.

[00:01:43] So what I'm playing back on the radio today are the interviews.

[00:01:46] They're just audio.

[00:01:47] The speakers, though, all on the stage were audio and video.

[00:01:51] So go for the speakers, both conferences, thelibertyconference.com.

[00:01:55] But Liberty Roundtable live for some of the commentary and interviews that I did,

[00:02:01] just audio available, and I'm airing them now.

[00:02:04] I got one coming up here in just a minute.

[00:02:06] But first, I want to tell you, there's so much going on.

[00:02:08] I had the opportunity to go on a cruise.

[00:02:12] And a couple of ports in Mexico headed out of Galveston, Texas.

[00:02:17] And it's just amazing some of these cruise ships, how big and how vast and how,

[00:02:24] I don't know what you want to call it, modern they really are in terms of,

[00:02:27] I mean, you can barely feel the ship moving oftentimes.

[00:02:31] You've got these nice estate rooms.

[00:02:32] They're tiny because they're on a ship.

[00:02:34] But, man, they're just, they're amazing.

[00:02:37] The accommodations that they have and the features that they have and everything else.

[00:02:41] And they've just got, I just, man, it's just a marvel to me how they power these ships.

[00:02:46] Obviously, I'm sure a lot of it's diesel power, generator power, et cetera.

[00:02:51] But I just, man, it's just incredible.

[00:02:54] The just, I mean, you've got lights, you've got internet, you've got air conditioning,

[00:03:00] you've got heating, you've got showers, you've got fresh, clean water,

[00:03:05] you've got food galore.

[00:03:06] And I get that they have to go port to port and get serviced at all the ports

[00:03:09] and all that kind of stuff.

[00:03:10] I mean, I realize it's not magic.

[00:03:11] I'm just telling you, it's just shocking at how efficient these ships run.

[00:03:15] You get, I don't know how many, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,000 people on a ship.

[00:03:20] You basically create a little city overnight.

[00:03:23] And then people are all just, you know, bunched together.

[00:03:27] The only real thing that I've noticed on cruise ships that I find a little bit annoying,

[00:03:32] one, it can get crowded sometimes.

[00:03:34] But I mean, what do you expect, right?

[00:03:36] But two, the elevators on the ships are the biggest problem of anything I've noticed, of anything.

[00:03:42] It's just shocking.

[00:03:43] You've got to take the stairs if you want to get anywhere.

[00:03:45] Otherwise, the elevators are just all gummed up.

[00:03:47] And at first we were thinking, why don't they just put more elevators in?

[00:03:50] Because then you just have less floor space for activities and entertainment and pools and slides

[00:03:57] and escape rooms and dining and anyway, all kinds of entertainment.

[00:04:04] It's just, it's pretty shocking to say the least.

[00:04:07] Anyway, all right.

[00:04:08] Let's get right into this next interview.

[00:04:10] And I'll continue to tell you about the cruise and some of the interesting things that I notice

[00:04:13] as it continues as well.

[00:04:15] But all I can tell you is we've got a great guest here.

[00:04:18] Interesting topic to say the least.

[00:04:20] And I met her in Florida.

[00:04:21] Here she is.

[00:04:22] Man, star-studded guest after star-studded guest.

[00:04:25] It's a delight to interview Kathy Chamberlain.

[00:04:27] Welcome to the broadcast.

[00:04:28] Hey, it's so good to be here.

[00:04:30] Thanks for having me sit down.

[00:04:32] You're very welcome.

[00:04:33] Before we get to your book and what you got going on, tell me who you are.

[00:04:36] Well, I'm actually, I'd like to say that I'm an activist first and foremost,

[00:04:41] before anything, a grassroots volunteer, but also a leader throughout the state.

[00:04:46] I'm the ambassador for Defend Florida, which is the largest grassroots organization on the

[00:04:53] election integrity, canvassing and whatnot throughout the state.

[00:04:58] I'm also the former campaign manager for J6, very highly decorated Jeremy Brown, who ran for office

[00:05:08] while he was in jail.

[00:05:10] That was quite the challenge.

[00:05:12] Yeah, yes, indeed.

[00:05:13] But we're going to have to see more and more of that.

[00:05:14] I hate to tell you that, Kathy.

[00:05:15] That's what we're looking at, right?

[00:05:16] Yeah, that's for sure.

[00:05:17] Sure.

[00:05:18] And also now I've most recently founded a group called the Pinellas Watch Dogs,

[00:05:25] which is really designed to take back control at the local level so that we can get our party

[00:05:31] back, get our lives back, and do things the constitutional way.

[00:05:36] Well, Watch Dog is a great name.

[00:05:37] I don't know if you know, but I'm an IT professional, so I make a living in tech.

[00:05:40] And there's a device, believe it or not, called a Watch Dog.

[00:05:43] And it literally gets connected to your computer and watches for certain things to happen or

[00:05:46] not happen, and then it takes action based on that to make sure that the system's up

[00:05:49] and running and secure and stable and right, flowing and everything else.

[00:05:52] And you guys do the same thing in your community, huh?

[00:05:54] Yeah, sounds like our group.

[00:05:56] Exactly.

[00:05:57] All right.

[00:05:58] And you also wrote a book, right?

[00:05:59] I did.

[00:06:00] Yep.

[00:06:01] Rules for Deplorables, a primer for fighting radical socialism.

[00:06:05] It's actually the counter, for those of you who are familiar with Saul Alinsky, and

[00:06:10] his book Rules for Radicals.

[00:06:12] He's got 13 tactics in his book that basically are designed to take our country down, and they've

[00:06:19] worked very well over the decades.

[00:06:21] So what I essentially did, Sam, I took his 13 tactics, opened up a chapter with each one,

[00:06:28] using current events to kind of educate Americans on how to recognize what the commies use against

[00:06:37] us, and by using current events, I mean, so they get a real good feel so they can recognize

[00:06:42] it in the future, and then also to turn around and use it back against our enemies.

[00:06:47] And this is kind of hard to swallow, because I'm thinking, why am I following their plan

[00:06:51] of action, their rules there?

[00:06:53] Right?

[00:06:54] But when you think about it, it's a primer for fighting radical socialism.

[00:06:58] You kind of begin to understand that, look, they've tried and true these principles for

[00:07:02] literally decades, hundreds of years, and they work.

[00:07:06] And so they can be used for, look, knowledge is just knowledge.

[00:07:09] Knowledge isn't bad.

[00:07:10] It's either good or evil, depending on who's applying that knowledge, right?

[00:07:13] Well, yeah, and believe it or not, Saul Alinsky himself was the idol of Hillary Clinton.

[00:07:19] She wrote her thesis at Wesleyan College on the man, and also Obama, Barack Obama actually

[00:07:28] is known as one of the best community organizers we've ever had, and he learned everything he

[00:07:34] knows from community organizing, the father of community organizing, Saul Alinsky.

[00:07:39] And a lot of people believe that he wasn't an American citizen and all that kind of stuff.

[00:07:42] I don't believe that.

[00:07:43] I believe he was an American citizen.

[00:07:44] And the reason they didn't want to show his birth certificate is it turns out that Frank

[00:07:47] Marshall Davis, the communist leader, is his father.

[00:07:50] Well, you are right about that.

[00:07:51] So that's kind of an interesting twist when you think about it that way.

[00:07:55] But this kind of rules for radicals, and then your book, Rules for Deplorables, Encounter,

[00:08:02] if you will.

[00:08:04] Let's talk about some of the tactics used and how we can use them, because, you know,

[00:08:08] they want to use them for sinister purposes.

[00:08:09] We want to use them for good purposes.

[00:08:11] So we can take the principles that we know work, but then we apply it for good rather than

[00:08:14] evil.

[00:08:14] Tell me how that translates.

[00:08:16] Yeah, well, actually, and one of the tactics that I talk about a lot is Tactic 13.

[00:08:24] And that is pick a target, personalize it, freeze it, and then polarize it.

[00:08:32] Okay, so what does that really mean?

[00:08:34] That means pick a target like Trump.

[00:08:36] Let's just take him because he's been the target for the last number of years.

[00:08:39] You pick that target.

[00:08:41] You freeze it, meaning you keep it in the news constantly to really get the audience.

[00:08:47] And it's negative in the news.

[00:08:48] Trump has small hands, got a goofy haircut, cheated on his wives, whatever the case may

[00:08:52] be.

[00:08:52] You freeze it in a negative context, right?

[00:08:54] That's correct.

[00:08:55] Yeah, exactly.

[00:08:56] And then you personalize it by really bringing all that stuff out.

[00:09:01] Yeah, all those details about his personal life, about how he's a scandal in business.

[00:09:05] He's whatever the case, all these things, right?

[00:09:07] That's correct.

[00:09:07] And you freeze that narrative.

[00:09:08] Go ahead.

[00:09:09] Yeah, and then you polarize that target, meaning you make it so ugly, so unattractive, and so

[00:09:15] radioactive, really, that everybody wants to stay away from it and to avoid it.

[00:09:22] And I'm going to prove that with an example right now.

[00:09:25] Yeah.

[00:09:25] The issue they've done that to the most in America now is racism.

[00:09:32] Everybody's a racist.

[00:09:34] Everybody, okay, and so they've done this so much so to where you can literally murder

[00:09:38] a baby right when it's being born and you're fine.

[00:09:40] You can literally be anything you want to be and it's fine.

[00:09:43] But if you are even accused of being a racist, it's curtains.

[00:09:47] Yeah, they use Alinsky tactic number five a lot to make that point.

[00:09:52] That's ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

[00:09:55] And so when they call Trump all these names or anybody that they happen to be targeting,

[00:09:59] the misogynist, the racist, the homophobe, all that stuff, they don't really mean it.

[00:10:06] They just know that that's going to make that person look kind of attractive.

[00:10:10] They don't care if it's true.

[00:10:11] They probably don't even believe it's true.

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:14] In many cases, they know it's not true.

[00:10:16] But again, it doesn't serve their ends and therefore, okay, so let's talk more than how

[00:10:20] do we apply these principles?

[00:10:22] Because a lot of these principles, a lot of the ways they do this, demonize, destroy,

[00:10:25] all this stuff is really like anti-Christian.

[00:10:27] For Christians like me, that's really hard to kind of say, man, I got to do that back

[00:10:30] to them.

[00:10:31] No, you're exactly right.

[00:10:33] People do have a problem with that.

[00:10:34] And really, it's mostly about recognizing that they're doing it to us so that we don't fall

[00:10:40] into that trap.

[00:10:41] For example, you know, how many times did they say that Trump was unpresidential and that he

[00:10:48] was, oh my God, those kinds of, that he tweeted too much, right?

[00:10:53] Right.

[00:10:53] So the problem with that is that most conservatives even fall into the trap of hearing that so many

[00:11:01] times that they think it must be true.

[00:11:05] So another one, if you tell a lie often enough, right?

[00:11:07] Yes.

[00:11:09] That's right.

[00:11:10] Exactly.

[00:11:10] So if we don't recognize it for what it is, then we're going to fall into the trap of believing

[00:11:17] that the person is what the left is calling.

[00:11:21] All right.

[00:11:21] How do I apply this in a meaningful way?

[00:11:24] The Savior taught us, you know what, love one another as I have loved you.

[00:11:28] You know, turn the other cheek, be kind, put a kind face forward.

[00:11:32] How do I apply these principles but yet keep my Christian values intact?

[00:11:35] Boy, isn't it tough though?

[00:11:36] And interestingly enough, this is a war of good versus evil, as we all know.

[00:11:43] Even Alinsky actually dedicated his book to Lucifer, believe it or not.

[00:11:48] So often in my speeches, and I do go all around the state, I point out to people that this literally

[00:11:55] is the Bible of the left.

[00:11:58] And so one of the tactics, and this is the way we can use it in a Christian manner, is the

[00:12:06] best tactic is a successful attack that turns a negative into a positive.

[00:12:14] Now, they use that in a deceitful kind of a way.

[00:12:19] But we can use that in a way that we just keep playing their, having war with them, I guess

[00:12:27] you could say, in a sense, until we beat them at their own game.

[00:12:32] We have to beat them at their own game at this, because this is it.

[00:12:37] One of the ways I think we can beat their own game, and I've done this, as you know, I'm

[00:12:41] in the media and I've been attacked relentlessly as much as the next guy.

[00:12:45] I mean, they reported to me and put me on the congressional record twice saying that I'm

[00:12:50] the nexus of hate and anti-government in America.

[00:12:53] Think about that.

[00:12:54] The nexus of hate and anti-government in America.

[00:12:56] And I'm running around going, yeah, God, family, and country, people.

[00:12:59] It's just, it's insane.

[00:13:01] But here's the way I've learned to kind of deal with it.

[00:13:03] Don't even argue with them on the points that they know aren't true, because you're wasting

[00:13:07] your time, and that's exactly what they want to do, is just create a big old argument, drive

[00:13:11] away the spirit of God, focus on Satan, focus on division, focus on...

[00:13:14] And what I do is I just simply say, you know what?

[00:13:17] We're not going to play games with these ad hominem attacks.

[00:13:20] We're going to focus on the issues.

[00:13:21] Look, here's what we're talking about.

[00:13:22] We're talking about you people are murdering babies.

[00:13:25] Okay, you call it abortion to soften the blow, but the fact is it's murder and should not

[00:13:28] be allowed in this country.

[00:13:30] Or, you know, you can keep going with the topic.

[00:13:31] You know what?

[00:13:32] Call me a racist, but here's my statement.

[00:13:33] We're all God's children.

[00:13:35] When are we going to treat each other like it?

[00:13:36] And we can focus on these issues by just, hey, not taking the bait, not falling for it,

[00:13:42] if you will, and simply focusing on the issues at hand.

[00:13:45] What do you think?

[00:13:46] I'd love it.

[00:13:47] You've got it down there.

[00:13:50] Yeah, that's the only way that we can really fight back with them, for sure.

[00:13:53] The other thing that I write about in the book that a lot of people maybe not be aware of

[00:13:58] is Cloward Piven.

[00:14:00] And I don't know if you've ever heard of Cloward Piven, Sam.

[00:14:03] Some of them in your audience.

[00:14:04] You have not?

[00:14:05] No.

[00:14:05] Okay, well, it's Richard Cloward, Francis Fox Piven.

[00:14:08] And they lived right around the same time as Alinsky.

[00:14:11] Okay.

[00:14:11] And I write about them because it's so critical.

[00:14:14] They wrote a series of strategy papers back in the day.

[00:14:18] They were a married couple, sociology professors that taught at Columbia University.

[00:14:25] And the ideas that they taught, I say that they really pretty much built the blueprint to

[00:14:32] destroy our country where Alinsky really came up with the tactics or the vehicle by which

[00:14:38] to get us there.

[00:14:38] So they kind of partnered.

[00:14:39] They really did.

[00:14:40] And not many people have ever put the two together.

[00:14:44] Somebody once told me they read a lot of books about Alinsky, but they never read a book that

[00:14:50] intertwined the Cloward Piven strategies with Alinsky.

[00:14:53] But here's why I talk about that.

[00:14:55] Because of the conference that we're in right now.

[00:14:56] And I'm very heavily involved with election integrity in our state.

[00:15:00] Yes.

[00:15:00] And have been since the day after the election of 2020.

[00:15:05] And so it's funny because in my book, I write about one of the strategy papers that Cloward

[00:15:13] Piven wrote.

[00:15:15] One was on welfare.

[00:15:16] That's their most well-known one.

[00:15:18] And basically with the welfare system, their whole idea was to implode the welfare system,

[00:15:24] throw so many people onto it that we bankrupt our country, basically taking it down.

[00:15:30] Well, they did the same thing with elections.

[00:15:33] And in other words, overpower the system with so much, whether it's news, doesn't matter

[00:15:37] what it is.

[00:15:37] Just get flood too much to where nobody knows what to do.

[00:15:40] And the whole system just shuts down.

[00:15:41] Like a denial of service attack in IT is what we call it.

[00:15:44] But it just floods the system.

[00:15:45] Whatever it be doesn't matter.

[00:15:47] Whether it's money, overload the system to where the money just spends into oblivion.

[00:15:50] If it's whatever, news, information, just explode the whole system by just feeding it way too much.

[00:15:56] You're exactly right.

[00:15:57] And they talked about deadwood, which is a term that you may have heard of today.

[00:16:04] Okay.

[00:16:05] Deadwood essentially is just a lot of people on the voter rolls that don't make any sense at all.

[00:16:12] Either they don't live where there's...

[00:16:13] Yeah, my world is what you put on the fire when it's cold, but okay.

[00:16:16] Right.

[00:16:17] No, you're right, though.

[00:16:18] And that's what they do, right?

[00:16:19] That's what they do.

[00:16:20] And we've got a big...

[00:16:21] Because they love that.

[00:16:22] Just overwhelm the voter rolls with too many illegals, too many dead people, too many people

[00:16:25] in nursing homes, too many whatever, to where it's really hard to vote or to deal with it.

[00:16:29] And if you never clean the voter rolls, you've just overwhelmed the system with all kinds

[00:16:32] of fraudulent data.

[00:16:33] So, so true.

[00:16:35] And by the way, as ambassador to Defend Florida and as the leader in my county, Pinellas County,

[00:16:41] with the...

[00:16:42] One of the things we did was canvass the voter rolls.

[00:16:45] That was back in 2021 in the summertime.

[00:16:48] And we wanted to see if Florida was the gold standard as it brags to be.

[00:16:54] And sure enough, we were shocked because we found that 20% of our voter rolls were dirty.

[00:16:59] And to this day, I have not seen any indication that they've actually fixed it.

[00:17:03] But back to the Cloward-Piven strategy.

[00:17:06] So that was their plan.

[00:17:09] Flood our voter rolls so that they're stealable.

[00:17:12] So there's chaos.

[00:17:13] It's always about chaos and control.

[00:17:16] Chaos in our world, control in their world really is the bottom line.

[00:17:20] Kathy spelled with an I at the end.

[00:17:23] Kathy Chamberlain.

[00:17:25] Tell me your website again.

[00:17:30] It's rules4deplorablesbook.com.

[00:17:32] Dot com.

[00:17:32] And the four is spelled out.

[00:17:35] Rules4deplorablesbook.com.

[00:17:37] Really, the bottom line is, ladies and gentlemen, we've got to have an answer for this radical socialism

[00:17:40] because they're destroying everything.

[00:17:42] And we've got to really have a primer for fighting this radical socialism.

[00:17:46] And you learn their tactics.

[00:17:48] You learn how to apply them in meaningful ways.

[00:17:50] You can do so following the Prince of Peace, though, folks.

[00:17:53] It is possible.

[00:17:54] So understanding how they do it is one way to stop it.

[00:17:57] But then, in my opinion, switching from these issues, they're clown show issues is what I call them.

[00:18:02] They're sideshow clown issues.

[00:18:04] Oh, Sam's a racist.

[00:18:05] Oh, by the way, Sam's a totally blind person.

[00:18:07] He doesn't even know what race you are.

[00:18:08] Think about that for a minute.

[00:18:10] I teach that we're all God's children.

[00:18:12] When are we going to start to act like it?

[00:18:13] When are we going to be kind to one another and start to stop this stuff?

[00:18:16] Let's focus on the real issues of the day.

[00:18:17] And if you can focus on the real discussion points and not get derailed,

[00:18:21] I don't care if you call me a racist, I don't give a rip what you think.

[00:18:24] And the reason I don't is because if Americans see me for a few minutes, they'll know that I'm not a racist.

[00:18:28] If they see me for a few minutes, they'll know that I'm not delusionary or crazy or extreme.

[00:18:33] They'll be persuaded by the power of my logic.

[00:18:36] They'll feel my presence of kindness and love and delivery.

[00:18:40] They will understand who I am.

[00:18:42] Because you know what?

[00:18:43] When you look people in the eyes and when you meet people and shake their hands and hear them speaking,

[00:18:47] people have a sense for this kind of stuff, Kathy.

[00:18:49] They really do.

[00:18:50] Yeah, well said.

[00:18:52] Boy, you really get this topic so well.

[00:18:55] And I love talking to somebody like you.

[00:18:57] We've got to wake people up so that more people understand.

[00:19:01] It's hard for especially Christians to believe that there's such evil out there

[00:19:07] that could actually really deliberately try to destroy people's lives.

[00:19:13] But they are, and we have to be ready for it.

[00:19:15] This is the battle that we've all prepared for such a time as this.

[00:19:22] And so we can sit back and do nothing, which most people choose, unfortunately.

[00:19:28] Or we can get into this battle and save our country for the better.

[00:19:33] So Rolling Stone wrote an absolute dishonest, hate-filled hit piece on me.

[00:19:39] You want to know what I did?

[00:19:40] What?

[00:19:41] I called up the reporter and I invited him to lunch.

[00:19:44] There you go.

[00:19:45] You know what he said?

[00:19:46] How'd it go?

[00:19:46] He said, I can't go out to lunch with a terrorist like you.

[00:19:49] Oh my gosh, yeah.

[00:19:50] I said, okay, the offer stands.

[00:19:51] When you want to change your mind, let me know.

[00:19:52] We'll sit down.

[00:19:53] We'll get past the divisions.

[00:19:55] We'll humanize the discussion.

[00:19:56] I'll learn about you.

[00:19:57] You'll learn about me.

[00:19:58] We might walk away disagreeing on politics.

[00:20:00] People can at least leave saying, you know what?

[00:20:03] He's a good guy.

[00:20:04] And that's what I hope to come out of the lunch meeting and I'll pay for the lunch.

[00:20:07] He still refuses, but I'm still leaving that open, you know.

[00:20:11] And I have to tell you, Sam, I mean, I think that we need to preserve our energy

[00:20:16] for those that we can help through this period.

[00:20:20] And there are just such a number of people that I don't have time for anymore.

[00:20:25] And I don't kill myself over it because there are so many people that are really crying out for help and guidance.

[00:20:32] Amen.

[00:20:32] I look at it kind of like missionary work, though.

[00:20:34] You know what?

[00:20:34] I'm going to offer Jesus Christ.

[00:20:36] If you're not going to spend time with me working on it, then I'll go my way.

[00:20:39] But I've given you the opportunity.

[00:20:40] And so I look at it like that.

[00:20:42] And so I made him this offer, and I'm not going to spend my whole time on him.

[00:20:44] But the offer still stands.

[00:20:45] Let it just be that way.

[00:20:46] You're saying I'm a bad guy and you can't even sit down and talk with me.

[00:20:49] I'm saying I'm willing to sit down and talk with anybody.

[00:20:52] And I believe that the viewpoints that I have, if communicated patiently, kindly, appropriately,

[00:20:57] you know what?

[00:20:58] That wins the day every time among honest people.

[00:21:01] Yeah, I do agree with that.

[00:21:03] And plus, it's not sometimes the target that God has put you in front of right at the moment.

[00:21:11] It's those around that target that are seeing how you have reached out to him and he's closed the door.

[00:21:19] Yeah, and at first they think I'm the bad guy, and then they're going, wait a minute.

[00:21:22] It isn't as I thought.

[00:21:23] What's going on?

[00:21:24] And then they start to learn, and that's what we pray and hope for.

[00:21:27] Kathy, thank you so much for your time.

[00:21:29] Give me your website once again.

[00:21:32] rulesfordeplorablesbook.com

[00:21:33] There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:21:34] Kathy Chamberlain, thank you so much.

[00:21:36] Thank you.

[00:21:37] You are listening to Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:21:39] All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:21:42] A couple of hard-hitting quick stories before the end of the segment I wanted to get to.

[00:21:47] Real-time news.

[00:21:48] More than 1,000 intel workers to be laid off.

[00:21:52] They say Oregon, the state of Oregon meaning, in sight.

[00:21:56] Latest news from UPI, California-based Intel Corporation, announced earlier this week that more than 1,000 of its Oregon workers will be out of a job after an early round of company-wide layoffs.

[00:22:11] Now, I find that story fascinating.

[00:22:13] You know, back in the day of Ross Pro, back in the early 90s, I remember on TV, Ross Pro would say, you know, you're going to hear this sucking sound.

[00:22:20] It's going to be horrible.

[00:22:21] And they'd draw, you know, all these things on the screen like an Amway salesman.

[00:22:26] And it'd tell you how horrible things were going to be and everything else.

[00:22:28] It was kind of interesting.

[00:22:29] But he did a great job, and he was right then.

[00:22:31] Let me say that again.

[00:22:32] He was right then.

[00:22:33] And he's correct now as well.

[00:22:36] What they said back then, though, and this is the reason that I bring up Ross Pro in that little story,

[00:22:40] is because Ross Pro said there was going to be a sucking sound like he wouldn't believe jobs leaving the United States.

[00:22:44] And what they came back and said was, oh, my gosh, this guy's goofy.

[00:22:47] And then the second thing they said was, don't worry, high tech will save us.

[00:22:51] Now, a thousand jobs at Intel in Oregon, gone.

[00:22:56] High tech is going to save us, huh?

[00:22:59] What about the other big companies?

[00:23:01] Wasn't there a space manufacturer?

[00:23:03] I'm sorry, an airline manufacturer having a little bit of trouble, too?

[00:23:07] Just wondering if that comes to mind for you.

[00:23:11] There you go.

[00:23:12] Next story of interest that I find fascinating.

[00:23:16] SpaceX sues.

[00:23:17] What they call California Coastal Commission, alleging political bias against Elon Musk.

[00:23:24] I find this interesting.

[00:23:25] Latest from UPI News again.

[00:23:27] SpaceX sued the California Coastal Commission Tuesday by alleging bias against Elon Musk.

[00:23:35] They say right wing politics in a decision to not let the company launch more rockets from their state's airbase.

[00:23:45] Now, I find that fascinating.

[00:23:47] I don't mean to be rude, but you think you're going to go ahead and get into that political moray against Elon Musk?

[00:23:51] And then you're going to win?

[00:23:52] All you're going to do is drive more jobs away from California.

[00:23:56] I mean, the West Coast is so whacked out, left liberal crazy.

[00:23:59] They're losing all their jobs.

[00:24:02] As you know, Elon Musk and other companies have bailed California and gone to Texas, gone to Florida.

[00:24:06] There's been a big battle between whacked out Gavin Newsom and, let's see what the other guy's name, Ron DeSantis about which coast makes more sense.

[00:24:15] And all I'm telling you is Florida and Texas cleaning up on jobs and California and Oregon losing jobs.

[00:24:20] And to tell the truth, Ross Perrault was correct over 30 years ago when he said there's going to be a big sucking sound.

[00:24:26] You hear it, and it's more than ever.

[00:24:28] And high tech ain't saving us, people.

[00:24:30] All right, hang tight.

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[00:30:18] you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show.

[00:30:22] Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans, back with you live, hard-hitting talk at your fingertips.

[00:30:27] So we asked the question the other day, can radio talk show hosts be replaced by AI?

[00:30:32] And I think it's a very interesting question, to say the least.

[00:30:35] Michael Harrison answered that question in a speech before several people, talkers.com.

[00:30:42] If you want to check out what he had to say about that, or you can go back and listen to the broadcast a couple of days ago,

[00:30:47] look at the show notes for Michael Harrison.

[00:30:50] And Michael Harrison basically said, yes, you know what?

[00:30:53] AI could replace talk show hosts.

[00:30:55] And, you know, you could have AI talk to callers, AI talk to guests.

[00:30:59] You could even have AI bot against AI bot in a conversation, a debate, a, you know, talk show, back-and-forth discussion on political issues,

[00:31:07] because all the talking points can be discussed and discovered by these new generated voices and AI bots that have intelligence that can make this stuff happen.

[00:31:16] And he's right on that fact.

[00:31:17] I agreed with him 100%.

[00:31:18] But then he highlighted, you know, what the difference is if the talk show hosts up their game, then, you know, hey, he doesn't believe that talk show hosts be replaced.

[00:31:29] The ones that don't up their game will be, but the ones that do up their game will not be replaced by AI bots.

[00:31:34] And I guess the question becomes is what does it mean by up your game?

[00:31:38] And I think that's an interesting question that I've been pondering for the last couple of days in relation to what he had to say.

[00:31:44] Because up your game doesn't just mean know the points better.

[00:31:47] As I mentioned in the last conversation about this, you know, it means up your game in terms of, hey, do the research.

[00:31:56] Okay?

[00:31:56] There's a difference between a good talk show host and a great talk show host.

[00:31:59] That is those who do their research become great talk show hosts.

[00:32:02] And those who are just good at talking and don't take the time and put the time in, they're good.

[00:32:06] They're not great.

[00:32:07] And the difference is how holistically you cover a topic.

[00:32:10] The difference is how much you, you know, break down a topic, how deep you dig, et cetera.

[00:32:17] Oftentimes, you know, all the points can be covered by AI bots.

[00:32:20] But, you know, overlapping points are hard sometimes for AI bots to get.

[00:32:24] Points that refer to emotions more than facts are hard for AI bots to get.

[00:32:30] Well, anyway, I digress in the conversation.

[00:32:32] Go back and listen if you want to hear more about Michael's comments and my comments about that.

[00:32:36] But the reason that I bring it up now is because there is one other critical aspect on AI versus humans.

[00:32:42] You know, AI is going to report what those who program AI to report.

[00:32:48] Let's take a given topic.

[00:32:53] Mr. Lyman, Phil Lyman of the great state of Utah, ran for governor.

[00:32:57] And in the caucuses in the state of Utah, he won like 68%.

[00:33:02] It was incredible.

[00:33:05] Well, Governor Cox, the incumbent, didn't like the fact that he lost the primary.

[00:33:09] He got spanked, in fact.

[00:33:11] So he, using some manipulated laws as of recent times in Utah, he put a bunch of ballot signatures together, or signatures together, I should say, so that he could become on the ballot, which he did.

[00:33:24] So the primary was virtually circumvented by Cox.

[00:33:26] Well, the debate rages on, and now there's an update to that story.

[00:33:30] Well, here's the point that I'm getting at.

[00:33:31] If those who control the bots don't want that story reported, no amount of AI coaxing or AI knowledge will make that happen.

[00:33:41] So it's going to take a talk show host like myself to think outside the box and say, listen, I'm reporting this because it needs to be reported.

[00:33:48] It's news.

[00:33:49] And even if the mainstream press decides it's not news and they're going to jettison that, I say shame on them.

[00:33:55] But, you know, if they jettison that news, the AI bots won't cover it.

[00:34:00] Neither will controlled talk show hosts.

[00:34:02] So I always tell the story about how, you know, they wanted to control me.

[00:34:05] They said, Sam, if you quit talking about God so much on your broadcasts, we'll make you a rock star.

[00:34:11] We'll put you on a bunch like 300 plus radio stations.

[00:34:14] And I refused then, and I would still refuse now.

[00:34:17] But that's the point.

[00:34:18] You can't control humans like you can control bots.

[00:34:22] Now, you can control humans sometimes with money.

[00:34:26] You can control humans sometimes by bribing them or, you know, blackmailing them or something like that, no doubt.

[00:34:33] But many of us can't be bought, can't be bribed, can't be belittled into their agenda.

[00:34:40] And so folks like me will report this news, even though others will not.

[00:34:45] So can AI talk show hosts be replaced by AI?

[00:34:49] Not the good ones that report the news the networks refuse to use.

[00:34:52] I'll tell you that right now.

[00:34:53] AI might not report it.

[00:34:55] But I, on Liberty Roundtable Live, will indeed report it.

[00:34:59] And I've been doing this kind of hard-hitting news the networks refuse to use reporting for 9 to 30 years now, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:35:06] Now, that's something to say for what we do here on the radio.

[00:35:10] Headline says this, to make the point.

[00:35:13] Legislative audit confirms.

[00:35:16] Lyman's claims.

[00:35:18] Spencer Cox falls short on signatures.

[00:35:22] What an incredible headline from Phil's team.

[00:35:25] I got an email from them.

[00:35:27] And so the bottom line is, you know, they've been mocking Phil and mocking all of us saying, oh, you guys have no election fraud proof.

[00:35:32] You have no results of the claims you make.

[00:35:35] You have no.

[00:35:35] Okay, lies stop.

[00:35:37] The lies now.

[00:35:38] Headline again.

[00:35:39] Legislative audit confirms.

[00:35:42] Lyman's claims.

[00:35:43] Spencer Cox, listen, falls short on signatures.

[00:35:47] And we're talking about a legislative audit here.

[00:35:49] Are we not?

[00:35:50] Yes, we are.

[00:35:51] October 16th, 2024, I got this piece.

[00:35:55] The legislative audit committee, I guess now is saying, they ordered an audit to say, hey, were all the signatures Spencer Cox gathered to qualify for the primary election?

[00:36:09] Were they legitimate?

[00:36:10] Well, some of them might be legitimate, but the fact is he didn't get enough signatures.

[00:36:15] Although the audit is still in progress, auditors have now informed the legislature that Cox likely failed to collect the required number of signatures.

[00:36:27] As with most audits, the statistical review was conducted before or to prime, if you will, the full investigation on the topic.

[00:36:40] And this initial review by the office of the legislative auditor general strongly suggests that Cox did not.

[00:36:50] You heard me did not meet the necessary threshold.

[00:36:55] In stark contrast, ladies and gentlemen, I add that Phil Lyman clearly qualified for the general election ballot.

[00:37:04] And Spencer Cox did not.

[00:37:06] Not only did he not get enough signatures, but he failed in the caucuses by 68%.

[00:37:11] He lost 68% to Phil Lyman, less than half that to Spencer.

[00:37:17] By winning the Republican state convention with 68% of the delegate vote, Phil Lyman should be the only man on the Republican ticket for governor.

[00:37:30] Right now, Phil Lyman, because the way they've manipulated it is a write in candidate only.

[00:37:35] And the one who stole the election from Phil Lyman is one Spencer Cox.

[00:37:41] Now you can say, Sam, how do you dare say stole the election?

[00:37:44] That's not news.

[00:37:45] No, that's my opinion.

[00:37:46] To which I'm entitled.

[00:37:48] And an AI bot will not tell you that opinion.

[00:37:50] But when you have the auditors now saying that he didn't get enough signatures, when you have the caucus completely won by Phil Lyman, then you virtually manipulate the primary.

[00:38:00] Right?

[00:38:01] And then you, okay, now the general election got the candidate on there that did not win under all circumstances.

[00:38:07] It's completely ironic that those who basically try to disqualify candidates over technicalities and reject thousands of ballots based on, quote, questionable postmarks, etc.

[00:38:23] They're now bending over backwards to excuse Cox and his circumstances, who appears to have failed to meet a fundamental legal requirement.

[00:38:35] The media and some elected officials are rushing to make excuses for Cox.

[00:38:42] And they couldn't be more blatant in their bias in doing so.

[00:38:45] To those defending Cox, we say, stop it.

[00:38:50] Knock it off.

[00:38:52] Stop distorting the audit findings.

[00:38:56] Stop gaslighting the public.

[00:38:58] You heard me.

[00:38:59] Stop gaslighting the public.

[00:39:00] Quit lying to everybody and deceiving people and bullying and belittling and manipulating when the truth needs to be told.

[00:39:08] Why was Lyman rejected for so long?

[00:39:11] If an audit could have mentioned this way earlier.

[00:39:15] Stop pushing false narratives.

[00:39:17] Okay?

[00:39:18] You got to stop it.

[00:39:19] The auditor's findings are clear.

[00:39:23] Spencer Cox likely failed to gather 28,000 ballot signatures.

[00:39:29] That was the legal requirement.

[00:39:31] Claims that Cox did everything asked of him or that he couldn't submit more signatures after allegedly reaching the threshold.

[00:39:41] Well, that fact is undermining the people of Utah.

[00:39:44] It doesn't matter the reasons, the opinions, the excuses.

[00:39:48] The fact is he didn't get the 28,000 required signatures and therefore legally he does not qualify.

[00:39:54] Do you read me loud and clear?

[00:39:57] When we hear, quote, we'll fix this in four years?

[00:40:00] Oh, yeah.

[00:40:02] So it doesn't happen again?

[00:40:03] Uh-huh.

[00:40:04] Or better luck next time?

[00:40:06] Or, you know what, we've got it now solved.

[00:40:08] We had a blip, but oh, by golly, it wouldn't have changed the election anyway.

[00:40:12] Anyway, it's nothing but political deflection.

[00:40:15] It's lies.

[00:40:16] It's compounding voter fraud, in my humble opinion, to which I'm entitled.

[00:40:20] Cox, the first incumbent governor on the state of Utah in Utah history, failed to qualify for the primary at the convention.

[00:40:30] Let me repeat that because it's really critical.

[00:40:32] Cox, the first incumbent governor ever in Utah history, failed to qualify at the convention for the primary.

[00:40:43] He opted to gather signatures instead because he knew he lost and it was his end run round again.

[00:40:48] But now he's lost that.

[00:40:50] But the fact that he could have submitted more signatures if he knew he was short is irrelevant.

[00:40:55] He didn't.

[00:40:58] Okay?

[00:40:59] And when you say if he knew he was short, well, they should have known he was short.

[00:41:02] An audit proved it.

[00:41:04] Right?

[00:41:05] What happens when we ask for simple counts and they say, no, you don't need to count them.

[00:41:08] No, that can't be.

[00:41:09] No, that's not legitimate.

[00:41:10] Well, now an audit shows what Bill Phil Lyman has been saying all along is correct.

[00:41:16] Is correct.

[00:41:17] Right?

[00:41:18] The fact is Spencer Cox failed to meet the legal requirement.

[00:41:24] I'm going to say that again.

[00:41:25] Spencer Cox failed to meet the legal requirement.

[00:41:31] We are thus baffled by the statements from legislative and executive leaders that Cox fulfilled the requirements to qualify to be on the ballot.

[00:41:42] By which standards, by which legal precedent, by which evidential.

[00:41:46] Okay.

[00:41:46] They're making these claims that he fulfilled the requirements without evidence.

[00:41:51] The evidence shows to the contrary.

[00:41:55] This audit shows precisely the opposite, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:41:58] At this point, it is evident.

[00:42:01] Cox did not qualify.

[00:42:04] And the ballots simply need to be reprinted.

[00:42:08] If they carry forward, in my humble opinion, it's election fraud, pure and simple.

[00:42:12] We call on the Utah GOP and Cox's supporters to prioritize transparency and accountability in our elections.

[00:42:23] If they fail to do so, ladies and gentlemen, the actions of the legislature, judiciary, state records committee, and all those continuing to push the false narrative that Cox qualified should be recognized for what they are a flat out farce.

[00:42:46] We committed to verify in the election before accepting the results.

[00:42:51] And we stand by that commitment.

[00:42:55] We hope Utah and Utahns stand with us.

[00:42:59] One way to do that is to contact your elected officials and urge them not to certify the election until these critical questions are answered.

[00:43:08] Here's the problem.

[00:43:09] Whenever people try not to certify elections, if you're not very careful, what they do is they go after you and try to make it criminal.

[00:43:15] And they try to put people who won't certify elections in jail, even though elections should not be certified.

[00:43:20] In this case, the election should not be certified because the evidence shows that Cox gamed the system.

[00:43:28] OK, but I hope we can get people not to certify the election.

[00:43:33] Right.

[00:43:34] Until these critical questions are answered.

[00:43:37] I hope we can do that.

[00:43:38] But I know from experience, whenever folks have tried to do that in Arizona or other states, they have absolutely been slaughtered and threatened with jail time and everything else.

[00:43:45] See how far they'll go to commit election fraud, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:43:49] Another way, by the way, is for us to write in Phil Lyman for governor.

[00:43:54] It's it's a long shot because write ins are always difficult.

[00:43:57] But it happened in Alaska.

[00:43:59] They had a writing candidate that won.

[00:44:00] Right.

[00:44:01] So we can do it if enough Americans get the word.

[00:44:05] If enough Utahns double down and say, look, you know what?

[00:44:08] Like or dislike Spencer Cox.

[00:44:10] He did not fulfill the legal requirement.

[00:44:13] And therefore, we cannot move forward with his appointment.

[00:44:15] Just can't.

[00:44:16] Can't move forward with positioning him on the ballot.

[00:44:18] Just can't.

[00:44:19] As always, by the way, the Phil Lyman campaign appreciations appreciates any amount you can give to get this message.

[00:44:27] Out across the state.

[00:44:30] We cannot let this stand.

[00:44:32] Now, that's all from the Phil Lyman campaign.

[00:44:34] But I absolutely endorse, if you will, and agree with every bit of this.

[00:44:42] We cannot let this stand, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:44:44] This just cannot be tolerated.

[00:44:47] We just can't do it.

[00:44:49] We have got to stand on legality.

[00:44:53] We've got to back and promote and protect the rule of law.

[00:44:58] And you know what?

[00:44:59] You can take item after item, issue after issue, election after election.

[00:45:04] Now you got a big old battle going on in Georgia.

[00:45:06] They first said, hey, you guys are going to have to certify your results with hand-counted ballots.

[00:45:12] And now they're saying, oh, no, that's been overruled.

[00:45:14] And so now you've got this big battle going on in every single state.

[00:45:17] You know, this big election fraud stuff has been going on for decades, for centuries.

[00:45:22] Since the beginning of our republic.

[00:45:24] But it's gotten worse and worse and worse over time.

[00:45:28] Remember back in the hanging Chad days when the George Bush campaign won and went to court?

[00:45:33] Okay.

[00:45:34] It's been a battle ever since.

[00:45:38] And a battle of epic proportions, I might add.

[00:45:41] And it's in every municipality in the country.

[00:45:43] You can say some aren't as intellectually, was it intellectually or o-lectually?

[00:45:51] With the elections and intellectually, you can't say they're intellectually honest.

[00:45:55] And you can't say they have honest elections at all.

[00:45:58] What they do is they just say, hey, if we can beat you somehow, find another trick up our sleeves to game the system and let us win.

[00:46:06] And you look at this and you think about the mail-in balloting as an example.

[00:46:11] The Republicans are now going, yeah, you know, kind of a problem.

[00:46:14] We should have promoted mail-in balloting.

[00:46:17] We don't really like it.

[00:46:18] We think it's fraud.

[00:46:18] But we must do it or else we can't compete on the shame on the Republicans for going down that road.

[00:46:23] But that's where they are.

[00:46:24] Same thing with ballot harvesting.

[00:46:27] The Republicans said, oh, that's fraud.

[00:46:28] You shouldn't do the ballot harvesting.

[00:46:30] It's not honest.

[00:46:31] Now they're going, yeah, we've got a ballot harvest.

[00:46:32] We'll never keep up with the Democrats.

[00:46:34] Okay, it reminds me of the battle where they said we shouldn't have abstinence only and sex education.

[00:46:42] And then we shouldn't have sex education at all.

[00:46:45] But, you know, if we're going to have it, we might as well have abstinence only.

[00:46:49] Well, now the abstinence only people are promoting sex education just as much as everybody else because they want their piece of the money by.

[00:46:55] Well, the same thing is happening in elections.

[00:46:56] Oh, man, you know, we shouldn't have these mail-in ballots and we shouldn't have these ballot harvesting scenarios.

[00:47:03] And the Republicans were right on that.

[00:47:04] But then they're going to go, well, we have to.

[00:47:06] We have to play by the new rules.

[00:47:08] Hopefully if we get elected, we'll fix them.

[00:47:09] We'll change them.

[00:47:10] We'll put them back the way they ought to be, the way they should be.

[00:47:13] No, you won't.

[00:47:14] History shows you won't.

[00:47:16] History shows you haven't and you won't and you didn't.

[00:47:20] Right.

[00:47:21] OK.

[00:47:21] Same thing with the don't ask, don't tell policy about gays and lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders in the military.

[00:47:28] You know, the Republicans are like, no, we can't have don't ask, don't tell.

[00:47:31] The Democrats are like, yep, got to have it.

[00:47:32] And then later, the Democrats are blatantly promoting this kind of perversion in the military.

[00:47:38] And the Republicans are like, hey, we got to be strong on don't ask, don't tell.

[00:47:41] We got to stick with that.

[00:47:43] You know, don't ask, don't tell is kind of key.

[00:47:46] OK, 20 years ago, you guys were against that.

[00:47:48] You see how that slippery slope works, ladies and gentlemen, as we edge our way further and further and further to the left.

[00:47:53] It's a crime.

[00:47:55] And it's not only happening in our morals as a country.

[00:47:59] It's happening with regards to honesty.

[00:48:01] You know, it's like, oh, so and so did this.

[00:48:03] Yeah, but it wasn't as bad as the other guy.

[00:48:05] Leave him alone or everybody does it or.

[00:48:08] OK, we can't let that happen.

[00:48:10] Same with election issues.

[00:48:11] We need to not vote early and vote often.

[00:48:13] That's a criminal activity.

[00:48:15] We need to not just claim there's election fraud and do nothing about it.

[00:48:18] We need to create accountability.

[00:48:20] And the only way to solve this election crisis, ladies and gentlemen, is get rid of this early voting and mail voting scenario.

[00:48:26] Get rid of this ballot harvesting scenario in the first place.

[00:48:29] It's OK to have these absentee ballots if somebody requests one first.

[00:48:36] In other words, very limited in scope.

[00:48:39] Right.

[00:48:40] Right.

[00:48:41] The other way to deal with this is to not have early voting and not do ballot harvesting to vote on a single day and have hand counted ballots.

[00:48:50] Right now, what they do, though, is even if you hand count the ballot, there's laws on the books now that say if you hand count the ballots, you can count them to make sure the numbers right.

[00:48:57] But you can't decide how many ballots go to each candidate and all kinds of weird logistics like that that make the hand count of ballots inert or ineffective.

[00:49:06] We cannot let these things stand, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:49:09] And what we call election fraud, they claim and say, no, it's not.

[00:49:13] And sadly, they're probably right because the bar of election fraud is very high.

[00:49:18] In other words, fraud requires that not only that you commit these acts, but you did so knowingly, willingly and intentionally.

[00:49:24] It's going to be very hard to prove that in the case of these things, just like Spencer Cox.

[00:49:29] Go back to that, for example.

[00:49:30] Hey, did he get enough ballot access or enough signatures to get on the ballot?

[00:49:34] No, he didn't.

[00:49:35] OK, so that's a factual legal failure on his part.

[00:49:38] Therefore, he needs to be dismissed from the ballot this go around.

[00:49:41] OK, but setting that aside.

[00:49:43] Hey, they made new laws that said we're not going to accept the results of the caucus.

[00:49:46] If you have enough money, you can get enough signatures, get on the ballot anyway.

[00:49:50] OK, that's how he gained the system.

[00:49:52] He rejected the caucus voting in the first place, forced himself onto the primary ballot.

[00:49:58] And then, hey, with enough media and enough money and enough signatures, boom, he's in.

[00:50:02] Problem is, he claimed he got enough signatures and factually, based on the audit, he didn't.

[00:50:07] Phil Lyman is correct to say, you know what?

[00:50:10] I will concede the election once I know the truth, right?

[00:50:14] But I'm not going to concede the election until I really know if we have an accurate ballot count.

[00:50:19] And the auditors are now saying, hey, there's not enough signatures.

[00:50:24] OK, the fact is, Phil Lyman legitimately needs to be on the ballot because he won the primary in Utah by 68 percent.

[00:50:32] The only way around that would be for Phil Lyman.

[00:50:34] And I mean, I'm sorry, for Spencer Cox to get enough ballot signatures.

[00:50:39] He failed at it.

[00:50:41] Therefore, are we going to have honesty and integrity in this election?

[00:50:44] Transparency?

[00:50:45] Are we going to go down the road and say, oh, we've already printed the ballots and Spencer's fine and Spencer's a good guy.

[00:50:50] And he didn't mean any harm or any foul.

[00:50:53] You might say it doesn't rise to the level of fraud.

[00:50:56] That's a debatable term.

[00:50:57] But you can absolutely say, hey, this is not acceptable in our elections.

[00:51:05] OK, whether we accept the new rule that you can put enough signatures up to get on the ballot in the first place.

[00:51:10] That's a whole other topic.

[00:51:11] And I think we should reject that, too.

[00:51:13] But in the meantime, though, the rules as they currently are, are being violated by Spencer Cox and his campaign.

[00:51:19] And the audit team now has caught him at it.

[00:51:21] Thanks to honest Phil Lyman standing up and pushing hard for the truth to come out.

[00:51:26] And I commend him for doing so.

[00:51:27] I think we need more of that, not less of that.

[00:51:30] I think we really need to push on this.

[00:51:32] I think we really need to understand it.

[00:51:34] All these nuances of the election in every county, every state, every municipality are the problem.

[00:51:40] It's very difficult to get your arms around what's really happening.

[00:51:43] But the answer is same day voting, hand count the ballots, no mail-in ballots of any kind, verify the voters, put it all on video so that we can revisit any election and view the results.

[00:51:56] And most importantly, have counters that certify their local count by their precincts.

[00:52:04] And then they certify that under the penalty of perjury.

[00:52:07] And you could have vote counters and vote watchers that all certify.

[00:52:10] So you can have some Republicans, some Democrats, some Independents, some, you get enough, you know, broad spectrum of people to where they're all going to go on record under the penalty of perjury, put it on video so no one can lie.

[00:52:20] And that's the way we need to get it done.

[00:52:21] And until we get there, you're going to continue to have frauds in elections, folks.

[00:52:25] Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, the bar is set so high for fraud that, you know, when we call it vote fraud, we almost do ourselves a disfavor.

[00:52:35] Because even though we may be right on the facts, it's something that until you prove in court, it's a claim that's very, very, very difficult to sustain, to uphold or whatever you want to call it.

[00:52:44] We need to talk about election integrity in meaningful, productive ways.

[00:52:47] And we need to point to example after example after example where there is election integrity questions and problems.

[00:52:55] You look in Georgia to make the point.

[00:52:58] I mean, the judges are battling back and forth over this.

[00:53:00] But why is it just in the courts?

[00:53:02] Okay, we don't want this just to be in the courts.

[00:53:04] Okay, the courts shouldn't decide everything in America.

[00:53:07] We the people should decide this and it should happen precinct by precinct at a time.

[00:53:12] We shouldn't let them circumvent the precincts and go straight to the county or straight to the state for elections.

[00:53:18] What they really want to do is wrap up all the elections and move them all to become federal issues where they have absolute control.

[00:53:24] And then you and I can't even discover the truth.

[00:53:26] We need to force it down to the precinct level.

[00:53:28] And we need to have every single battle straight at the precinct level and say, listen, we're not going to let you have election integrity problems by mail-in ballots, by early voting, by and we can go on and on and on and on of the issues.

[00:53:43] But let's remember the answer is to force this to the most local of all levels, your precinct, your neighborhood where you know people, people know you, right?

[00:53:52] Where you can really get to the bottom of this stuff in a meaningful way.

[00:53:55] And you can have your neighbors and friends and people that you know personally, hey, stand together and say, look, I don't care who wins or who loses.

[00:54:03] We're not going to have these transparency problems, these accountability problems on our watch in our local precinct.

[00:54:10] It's not happening here.

[00:54:11] And then if you can certify those results under the penalty of perjury with video and everything else.

[00:54:17] So it's just not debatable.

[00:54:18] Here's the ballot.

[00:54:20] And we'll make sure that every level then reports the precinct numbers as they were certified.

[00:54:25] That's the way we need to get it done, folks.

[00:54:28] Okay.

[00:54:29] All right.

[00:54:29] Thanks for being alongside for the ride.

[00:54:30] That's a wrap.

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