Radio Show Hour 2 – 10/03/2024

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[00:00:59] Welcome to the show ladies and gentlemen, man. Have I got an incredible guest today?

[00:01:04] And I don't really know how to describe this guy, but let me do my best here

[00:01:07] His name is dr. Tim Murphy. He's a PhD. He's a licensed psychologist

[00:01:12] He specializes in resilience. I dig it and recovery from psychological trauma

[00:01:19] And he's the author of several different books, but most recently the Christ cure

[00:01:27] Imagine that you ladies and gentlemen usually you don't see doctors that really believe in Christ

[00:01:31] Oftentimes, you know just by the very nature of a doctor you kind of trust in your own knowledge and stuff like that

[00:01:38] But he consults on mental health and public policy

[00:01:42] With all kinds of national organizations. He speaks extensively throughout the United States

[00:01:48] Dr. Tim Murphy comm is his website doctors dr

[00:01:53] Tim Murphy comm welcome to Liberty Roundtable live sir

[00:01:57] It's crazy with him. Thank you so much for having me on now just to build out your credentials you were in the Pennsylvania

[00:02:05] Congress and then eventually the United States Congress

[00:02:08] Yeah, he's Pennsylvania State Senator for elected twice and then elected to US Congress eight times representing Southwest in Pennsylvania

[00:02:17] What do you think a Congress sir? Just kind of it now that you're not there?

[00:02:20] No, what do you think are they just clowns up there or what's happening?

[00:02:23] It's interesting use that term when people ask me if I miss the place

[00:02:27] I said well, I don't miss the circus, but I do miss some of the clowns. It is

[00:02:33] it's changed a lot. I mean I left there in the

[00:02:36] years ago or seven years ago and

[00:02:38] It is at that time even ten years ago is getting more and more toxic on a couple lines one

[00:02:45] The media really feeds on looking for clickbait and they were constantly looking for ways

[00:02:51] if they could find

[00:02:53] anything to chase people on with cameras always look for

[00:02:56] Motion and gossip and personalities then they were in legislation

[00:03:00] And at the same time a lot of members of Congress played into that because they too were saying well

[00:03:05] How can I do more with Twitter and Facebook and get more hits and that became more of the interest

[00:03:10] Then it was really legislating for many members

[00:03:14] Plus there's been tremendous turnover in Congress which has

[00:03:18] Which means we've lost a lot of people with

[00:03:21] Some sort of historical knowledge of how things work to give you an idea that I think since in 2019

[00:03:28] since 2019 sit until now there's something like 200 some members have left and

[00:03:33] I think there's this year this election about 55 members of retirement and then maybe a turnover of another 20

[00:03:39] So it may be that after this election only 80 people who were in Congress in 2018 will still be there

[00:03:47] So you people who just don't know how to sit down and solve problems

[00:03:51] But what has also happened this whole thing is that the extremes have become more extreme

[00:03:57] that

[00:03:59] Issues that are out there with whose empower what we've faced the last four years with extreme liberalism

[00:04:05] The turning away from the Constitution looking more at just using a majority vote to change our Constitution

[00:04:12] And change the law to land to ignore application of the law to change the judicial system to be another brand

[00:04:18] Let me let me stop you there and ask a question though

[00:04:20] Isn't that criminal activity when you swore to note to uphold and protect the Constitution from enemies forn and domestic?

[00:04:26] And then you're literally all about that changing it manipulating it and perverting it beyond recognition

[00:04:31] It's almost like a criminal enterprise

[00:04:34] That's a great question. Sam. What happens is people see some people are the Constitution is a living document and subject to change

[00:04:40] Well, the documents don't written that way you have to have an amendment or change

[00:04:44] You can't just willy-milly do it and there have been some activist judges throughout the nation

[00:04:49] Particularly out West who have said well

[00:04:52] We're just going to change or ignore the law and interpret it another way

[00:04:55] And yeah, but if they do that though, isn't that like a mental illness bordering on criminal

[00:05:01] Activity or whatever I mean you look at the document contractually speaking if you're an attorney or some kind of an expert

[00:05:06] You look at it there's no living side of this thing anywhere in there

[00:05:10] There just isn't in fact the prohibitions in there prove that it's not right

[00:05:16] Right, there's no wording in the document which says it's a living document at all

[00:05:20] And instead what people do is they'll both go put money into programs or pull money away from programs

[00:05:26] It's a way of manipulating the system

[00:05:28] So for example the reason we're in a $35 trillion deficit now is because money continued to flow into programs

[00:05:35] Or go out to people particularly during COVID and post COVID but not looking at the long-term game of how we're going to pay for this

[00:05:41] And who's going to control our debt? And so

[00:05:45] It becomes an issue that they use the power of the purse to manipulate how

[00:05:50] people are gonna what programs are gonna be funded and

[00:05:53] Use that as coercion for states to move through plus states have a lot of power

[00:05:57] And I certainly respect the sense the member states should have that power

[00:06:00] But unless things go up to the US Supreme Court

[00:06:05] To determine whether or not what is being done as constitutional that's a problem and let's not forget that what

[00:06:11] Tom O'Harris is promised she wants to do is

[00:06:14] To change our Supreme Court so that it is

[00:06:17] And the makeup can go whatever way she wants if she becomes president of the United States

[00:06:22] And use the Supreme Court to just overturn a lot of the constitutional protections

[00:06:30] So doctor I look at this and I think for the most part there's been average congressmen and senators

[00:06:36] There's been horrible ones and then there's been a few good ones

[00:06:40] And I I just want to tell you a few of the people that I kind of think in Congress have done a good job

[00:06:45] And you know many of them aren't there, but I look at Steve King. I look at Steve Stockman

[00:06:49] I look at Raul Lavador back in the day

[00:06:51] I look at you know people like Justin Amash did a decent job in some ways

[00:06:55] I think Ron Paul was the one of the most constitutional congressmen, etc

[00:06:59] You know, who did you have respect for there?

[00:07:01] Did you did you really ever is there a lot more respect deserve that I'm giving credit or is it as bad as I'm thinking it is?

[00:07:09] Well, I mean certainly

[00:07:11] I mean, I know the ones who are pretty intelligent and knowledgeable

[00:07:14] I think Tom Cole was the current chair of the Appropriations Committee

[00:07:18] Is a brilliant person who really understands the history and how to move legislation through

[00:07:23] I think there's some people there who have sharp political minds

[00:07:27] And that is that they can they know how to

[00:07:30] Get things done get people elected

[00:07:32] And when the people that you mentioned there are folks that are more libertarian

[00:07:38] And look more some purest aspects of the Constitution

[00:07:41] But the thing that happens here, too

[00:07:43] I have a lot of respect for Ron Paul too as a matter of fact. He was interesting when he was a doctor in Pittsburgh

[00:07:48] He actually lived in a house just a couple streets over from me here

[00:07:51] Well, I live now but he

[00:07:54] well what happens is the

[00:07:56] When you're dealing with getting a majority vote in the house and that's where is a majority vote in the house the Senate has some other rules

[00:08:03] To keep things going you have to get people to work together

[00:08:06] And what happens is Congress is so fractured now people say unless it's my way

[00:08:11] I don't want to get it done

[00:08:12] And so you may see the block of Democrats saying no and the Republicans will fracture and say well

[00:08:17] We got to get something done

[00:08:17] Whereas I think if they stood together and say, okay, let's look at the long game here

[00:08:21] Let's go let's chip away at this with each time we have a vote for something else where appropriation will

[00:08:26] Ship away will go farther and farther and keep going with this and it has become

[00:08:31] Really a log jam in getting things done and people throw up their hands. Okay

[00:08:35] Well, we got to keep our department spent nothing's going so let's just vote to keep it

[00:08:39] So they do a lot of continuations and not really

[00:08:42] reforms that's more what's been happening in the last six to eight years as things are jammed up

[00:08:48] Agree a hundred percent, but let me give you a headline from speaker Mike Johnson right now

[00:08:54] Mike Johnson basically said hey the only alternative to a continuing resolution

[00:08:59] At this stage would have been a government shutdown and then he says this it would be quote political mouth

[00:09:06] Political malpractice to shut the government down. We can't do that. And so my question is hey make Mike Johnson

[00:09:13] Isn't it political malpractice to continue to fund unconstitutional government

[00:09:20] Over and over again with no end in sight. I mean if we're gonna about you know, political malpractice

[00:09:25] I mean that's a great term because there's no consequences for that, you know crafted term

[00:09:29] But but I look at that and just go

[00:09:31] At some point I think Congress has a mental crisis

[00:09:35] These people don't understand they're gonna run the country off the cliff, sir

[00:09:39] Well certainly with regard to the depth that it seems like it's going at high speed towards the cliff not already tumbled over

[00:09:47] I'm not sure exactly what he meant by that

[00:09:49] But there's a couple ways of looking at one is political malpractice if you have a vote or fail to keep something going and end up with

[00:09:56] Losing a majority and other side takes over then you have a disaster. So let's look at when you had

[00:10:04] The majority was President Obama and House and Senate were Democrat and it was a veto proof

[00:10:11] Senate I believe too at the time these 60 votes so they could move through with legislation didn't have to worry about a filibuster

[00:10:18] They moved through the Affordable Care Act the federal health care plan which has increased our deficit a great deal and

[00:10:26] Although many people think they like it

[00:10:27] Still I think of the problem to have the federal government run healthcare near then when the Democrats had the majority

[00:10:35] with a couple years ago what they moved through was the

[00:10:39] They call it the inflation reduction act which you know it was anything but that

[00:10:44] But that's what they did with the majority in the House and Senate and the White House and so

[00:10:49] What happens is the problems grew massively within that and I think what Johnson referring to is look

[00:10:57] We got to take this back

[00:10:58] But just saying we're going to shut it down means that the Democrats will have a big issue to run and see the Republicans are

[00:11:04] Incompetent now we know that you have to make some changes your deficit

[00:11:09] Having China own our bonds and our deficit is not a functional way to go having our

[00:11:15] Manufacturing done out of China into the nations is not helping our nation to sustain itself

[00:11:20] But in the context of this I believe you got to keep chipping away

[00:11:24] I mean really an axe to a to a sequoia well

[00:11:28] In those who are for national three zero, but certainly the big trees have continued to chop away and chop away and chop away

[00:11:34] Is a way to do this and I've been in some of those meetings the past where people just say I'm not going to do it at all

[00:11:40] No matter what you do. I'm not going to vote for this

[00:11:42] And then alright, where do you go then to keep the government going?

[00:11:45] So I think that's where Johnson may have been going with that comment

[00:11:48] But I agree with you that what has happened is because we have there's such a narrow majority a few votes

[00:11:55] All it takes a couple people to say they're not going along with it

[00:11:58] And then you have this long jam and crisis with them becomes a campaign issue

[00:12:03] Which then just goes and the majority flips

[00:12:07] Right the reason I bring this up is it just seems like Congress has kind of this I don't know what it is

[00:12:12] I don't know if it's like herd mentality. I don't know if it's just like

[00:12:16] Stockholm syndrome or what it is

[00:12:18] But it just seems like you know what we need to turn to more fiscally responsible and Rand Paul put together a penny plan

[00:12:26] I just want us to reduce by one penny

[00:12:29] Not

[00:12:30] Reduce the projected increase so it's still an increase. I'm talking about one penny reduction and spending

[00:12:35] And nobody would go for it

[00:12:37] They just said he's in that case forget it and they didn't even go along

[00:12:39] And at some point if you keep doing what you always done

[00:12:42] It's like the definition of insanity at some point we've got to change the game and all

[00:12:47] Um, Mike Johnson said was I'm gonna fund it till December and then I'm not going to go for the big spending bill

[00:12:53] So he's trying to save face here. And then he says let the people in the next congress 2025 deal with 2025

[00:13:00] But that's the ultimate refusal to take any responsibility whatsoever

[00:13:05] Yeah, that's that old saying of kicking the can down the road

[00:13:07] Which has been done many times this can get pretty beat up in this whole process going for in the last

[00:13:13] 47 years 44 years that kicked the can down the road many of those years more than once during the year

[00:13:19] indeed

[00:13:20] it is um

[00:13:24] Congress unfortunately and fortunately both both ways represents

[00:13:28] The people and I forget who said it's a people get the government they deserve

[00:13:33] And that that goes a couple ways when you look at the number of people actually vote

[00:13:37] You know, it's a it's a minority of those who are eligible to vote

[00:13:41] And then there's some or not out

[00:13:43] But let's let's say those who are

[00:13:45] He goes in that direction and then you have people who run in primaries. So they end up having um

[00:13:51] a micro

[00:13:53] Micro minority that end up getting elected

[00:13:56] In things in such as the case when you have something like a democrat district where a very liberal member

[00:14:01] Will be someone else in a primary but even that is a

[00:14:05] Minority of the people in the district and then the person gets in there

[00:14:08] And I'm sure you can you're aware of the kind of members are in there who are extremely liberal in congress

[00:14:14] Those then on that side will control some of the mood and the spending there

[00:14:19] On on the republican side

[00:14:21] What is also important is that people are

[00:14:24] I could get in there elected who say I am really going to put my

[00:14:28] My nose the grinds in here and work hard at this and and get people together

[00:14:33] But it is something of a herd mentality because you get you need out of 435 people

[00:14:37] You need what 218 votes to make something happen

[00:14:40] That's 218 votes of people who are saying I got to represent my district wants this from my district

[00:14:45] Um, and it is I think those kind of things where you have to be an individual to represent your district

[00:14:51] But also to sit back and say what is the good of the nation today and tomorrow to make things happen

[00:14:56] And when you have people who quite frankly don't know how to sit down and and work these out and and often can't be done

[00:15:03] Plus remember this whatever bill comes out of the house the senate now with the 5050

[00:15:09] split and

[00:15:10] Vice president harris is the tide breaker vote and it has to go to biden for the signature

[00:15:15] These things are they're not going to move

[00:15:17] You know, it's whatever the house does and whatever purist form

[00:15:20] It's not going to move and what'll happen at the senator will and the president will say see that's the republicans fault

[00:15:25] Don't vote republicans. Let's get another democrat majority in there and

[00:15:29] That's where I think more trouble will become with regard to massive spending and deficit

[00:15:35] All right, I want to apply this to uh all kinds of things ladies and gentlemen

[00:15:39] I've set the stage really by painting a pretty dire picture intentionally so

[00:15:44] Because I believe the only real answers we have

[00:15:47] Are not in washington dc

[00:15:49] They're in individuals looking at god family and country and through that lens. I believe we can change the game

[00:15:57] And uh, so tim is the author of a book called the christ cure

[00:16:01] 10 biblical ways to deal

[00:16:03] from trauma tragedy

[00:16:06] and

[00:16:07] ptsd

[00:16:08] He's written a couple of other books as well about anger and about children and stuff like that

[00:16:12] He's been published in journals everywhere

[00:16:14] um

[00:16:16] He's also been in the military

[00:16:17] So we got to give him credit for having all kinds of experiences everywhere

[00:16:21] But let's now talk about your book and these 10 principles related to not only congress

[00:16:26] Because I think a lot of people have their eyes on congress right now

[00:16:29] A lot of people have their eyes on the presidential battle right now

[00:16:31] But I want to talk about it from that point of view a societal point of view and an individual point of view

[00:16:37] Is that taking on too much?

[00:16:39] Oh, no, we can we can head that direction. Where do you want to go with this?

[00:16:42] All right, so you guys you call it the handbook for the broken. Let's start there. Yes

[00:16:47] Okay, well in the navy I served eight years as a navy psychologist and worked out of a unit at uh, Walter Reed Bethesda hospital

[00:16:56] That it was a traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder unit for those with moderate just to their head injuries

[00:17:02] and

[00:17:04] In there, certainly saw a lot of people with physical and psychological trauma in a major way and now I'm

[00:17:09] Back to my psychological practice where I focus on working with veterans and first responders policemen firefighters ems people

[00:17:17] Who have experiences trauma?

[00:17:20] Let's keep in mind about 70 percent of the population maybe more have faced some trauma

[00:17:25] Which is really life threatening to themselves or witness or some other devastating trauma in their lives

[00:17:30] It could be financial disaster. It could be losing a home in a tornado. It could be flooding

[00:17:35] It can be all sorts of things but we face trauma

[00:17:38] Question is what we do about that

[00:17:41] Now in my years of practicing, I know that there's a lot of psychological techniques

[00:17:45] They're used for this in terms of talks therapies in terms of helping people

[00:17:49] Understand better their goals and you know that life is not always fair and we have to adapt to those things and teaching people

[00:17:55] exercises to relax and

[00:17:56] Calm their mind because biologically speaking the parts of the brain that they're the fight flight sections of the brain when they are

[00:18:04] alerted with the trauma they go on

[00:18:07] Just hyperdrive and the hormones are run through a system in our brain

[00:18:11] That can affect us massively even deteriorating our health from a single traumatic incident, but here's what happens to us

[00:18:18] We end up doing a videotape replay

[00:18:21] A memory loop of that traumatic event over and over and over again

[00:18:25] And of the of the seven and let me stop you to kind of clarify sometimes we do that consciously

[00:18:31] Sometimes it's happening subconsciously, right

[00:18:34] Right, right sometimes it just goes on and that's why many people they don't want to go to sleep necessarily because then the thoughts come up

[00:18:40] They would have pushed them aside during the day

[00:18:42] But they linger there and here's what happens the brain cells are still aware that there's traumatic events in one's life

[00:18:48] And it's still trying to make sense of it because the brain the amygdala in particularly the fights like some of the brain

[00:18:53] Its job is to act like a smoke alarm in our head to say something's wrong

[00:18:56] Going to action and what that does without us even being conscious of it

[00:19:01] We'll dump at durenland or epinephrine in our system that affects other stress hormones called cytokines and cortisol

[00:19:07] And all those things um having a number of effects one is it actually causes inflammation in parts of the brain

[00:19:13] Which leads to a feeling of depression and or anxiety

[00:19:16] So these things keep going as we're running this continuous memory loop, but here's the third level of this

[00:19:22] That sometimes we have in those reactions you refer to it as maybe we're not being conscious

[00:19:26] But one day starts with a panic attack or start to get anxious or depressed

[00:19:29] So we don't know why and what we say oh my gosh, I'm not getting better

[00:19:33] I'm not healed something's wrong with me. And then we dump on ourselves and begin to doubt and say

[00:19:38] I don't know if I can ever get better

[00:19:39] And certainly the military members I work with the police officers people who have involved in deadly battles they remember

[00:19:46] the awful unspeakable

[00:19:49] memories of of war

[00:19:51] Some will put it as I cannot unsee what I have seen

[00:19:56] And I know that doing a lot of the other techniques that I've learned over the years

[00:20:00] Tell people calm and look at these and visit it are helpful

[00:20:03] But even the veterans administration says that two or three years out from a traumatic event and be someone being a counseling

[00:20:10] About two thirds of people will still have significant symptoms to the point. They saw the diagnosis

[00:20:15] Something what is wrong?

[00:20:17] but what happened is

[00:20:18] I began to really research this in part the reaction to my own difficulties in life

[00:20:23] And said I've got to find some answers here. So I knew a lot psychologically and I pushed a lot of psychological change in legislation in congress

[00:20:30] But I really went into the bible full force

[00:20:33] Reading a lot about the apostle paul now think about this

[00:20:37] Here's a guy who was out hunting down Christians seeing them

[00:20:43] persecuted prosecuted executed even admits that in the in the bible

[00:20:47] And he switches religion he has the aspect here of the

[00:20:56] Robed at the baskets where he changed everything and the people before

[00:21:00] The other jews of Pharisees Pharisees who are on his side and now turned against him and the christians who me

[00:21:07] Persecuted don't trust him and he went blind for well

[00:21:10] And he had to escape some town in a basket out of window and he was beaten with rods three times

[00:21:15] He was given 39 lashes five times

[00:21:18] He would have to be chased out of town. He was in debates and prisons in rome

[00:21:21] To prison he was in shipwrecks for two weeks. He floated around the Mediterranean sea for a day and a half

[00:21:27] He was bitten by a poisonous snake the list goes on and on and i'm thinking here's a guy who any one of these events

[00:21:34] Should have made him

[00:21:37] Really overwhelmed with trauma to be depressed and suicidal perhaps alcoholic

[00:21:42] Isolate no social relationship. Here's the thing I kept saying

[00:21:46] He actually wasn't he was um

[00:21:48] Arguably one of the most influential people in the history of civilization

[00:21:53] What was it about him? So I really searched for a book and you wrap it up just to start the conversation in a word called

[00:22:01] Resilience and what does that really mean doctor right?

[00:22:03] Well, the resilience is that is that skill set we build within ourselves made up of strengths

[00:22:09] Made up of making sure we don't isolate ourselves, but we know how to handle solitude making sure we have goals in our life

[00:22:16] and

[00:22:17] And in those directions, but also build up skills of how we handle the battle where we have to make sure we have

[00:22:24] endurance and persistence

[00:22:27] encourage

[00:22:28] And vigilance and all of those things are a big part of that for the other part that he was really good at

[00:22:33] It's recovery from trauma because he maintained tremendous hope throughout

[00:22:38] He also

[00:22:40] There was a difference between guilt and shame and when we experience trauma sometimes we feel guilt like I shouldn't

[00:22:45] I shouldn't have done this or that happened because of me or something if we have shame that means i'm broken god made a mistake

[00:22:51] There's nothing I can do about this guilt is you know, I messed up and I need to make

[00:22:57] Reparation to this I need to apologize. It's almost like shame is guilt without hope sir because there's no faith

[00:23:02] There's no opportunity. There's no solution, right?

[00:23:05] Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, shame is uh

[00:23:07] God doesn't look kindly to shame because that means you're saying that god

[00:23:10] Saying there's no way out, but here's the key and that is forgiveness

[00:23:14] And paul really had to forgive himself for what he did

[00:23:18] And otherwise we condemn ourselves and when I'm looking for forgiveness

[00:23:21] There's six important words and that is that god forgives

[00:23:24] Others might I must and when we're wrapped up with shame and hopelessness and weakness

[00:23:31] And uh, and and we don't have much courage

[00:23:34] We end up saying I can't get out of this at this and there's no way I can do it and we end up reinforcing our own trauma

[00:23:40] But what I found it's a impossible what I write about in this book to christ cure is there's every reason to hope

[00:23:46] You're never alone. You're not isolated god's always with you

[00:23:50] Uh, and even at those times you feel I don't know if I can get out of this

[00:23:53] We really can't do a lot. There's a many many reasons to hope and see how we can get better in our lives

[00:23:59] All right sir stay there ladies and gentlemen tim murphy with me

[00:24:04] He's a phd licensed psychologist. He's written three incredible books

[00:24:09] dr tim murphy dot com to check them out

[00:24:12] He's the author of the christ cure

[00:24:14] 10 biblical ways

[00:24:17] To deal with trauma tragedy and more how do we do it?

[00:24:20] We follow the example of apostle paul apostle paul who is tremendously resilient

[00:24:25] We think about faith over fear strength instead of weakness courage over fear

[00:24:32] Eternal vigilance over vulnerability

[00:24:35] Hope over despair and more will talk with dr tim in seconds

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[00:30:23] Back with you live ladies and gentlemen, this is the broadcast for october the third in the year of our lord

[00:30:29] 2024 i.m. Sam bushman and with me dr tim

[00:30:33] murphy

[00:30:34] dr tim murphy dot com for the website and dr murphy

[00:30:38] Is the founder and clinical director of fordus future

[00:30:43] Near pittsburgh pennsylvania and he specializes in the care of veterans

[00:30:49] military and first responders with a comprehensive brain and behavioral health treatment program for ptsd

[00:30:57] It's incredible. He's also a board member of national and local organizations advocating for approved treatment for mental illness

[00:31:07] And for the care of veterans and first responders

[00:31:11] Now he's written three books the book we're talking about today is the christ cure

[00:31:15] And he's talking about following paul a very resilient person who had every reason to be depressed and completely melt down in life

[00:31:22] but faith

[00:31:24] Made paul whole through christ

[00:31:27] We're talking about building strength instead of weakness courage over fear

[00:31:32] This is just tremendous the words we're using here to describe

[00:31:36] This healing but guilt over shame is what we ended up on at the end of the last segment

[00:31:40] Really shame is guilt without hope folks guilt without christ is shame

[00:31:45] Okay, we need forgiveness

[00:31:48] over condemnation

[00:31:49] We need acceptance of faith

[00:31:52] trust

[00:31:53] And there's options for us and this book paints this picture and provides solutions and hope and courage and opportunity

[00:32:02] Dr tim getting back to the discussion now

[00:32:05] Whether we're talking about the nation as a whole suffering through the coven crisis

[00:32:08] Whether we're talking about individuals and personal crisis that we all tend to deal with in mortality

[00:32:13] Whether it be a physical health problem or uh financial or relationship problems or whatever

[00:32:18] Really the the solution the resilience factor based on faith in christ

[00:32:23] Even though the problem seems so varied and so I mean it doesn't end of the problems you can name

[00:32:28] But the solutions

[00:32:30] Are very consistent in their application. Is that right?

[00:32:35] Yes, I mean we

[00:32:38] people look for um

[00:32:39] Look everybody has failed someone in their life. Everybody has messed up

[00:32:44] uh, nobody is without sin

[00:32:46] and

[00:32:48] We have to keep that in mind for ourselves not worry about other people

[00:32:52] But god has used to said you're he came to show forgiveness

[00:32:56] We don't do a very good job of forgiving each other and we certainly do a lousy job at forgiving ourselves

[00:33:01] And so we linger on with anger and depression and knowing the way at ourselves

[00:33:05] And not being willing to make some changes. So what do people do? Well, we don't like to feel miserable and stressed

[00:33:11] And we recognize now a huge number of people on medication for depression anxiety and other problems

[00:33:17] Now I certainly know that depression can be real and anxiety attacks can be real

[00:33:22] But we also have a lot of people who don't understand they have the strength already within them

[00:33:27] We were designed god designed us to be able to handle problems

[00:33:31] Not to collapse from them and the way to handle problems is actually

[00:33:35] Work through them. Don't give up. Don't blame somebody else and above all else

[00:33:40] Don't turn towards advice but that's what we tend to do people seek pleasure

[00:33:44] To overcome their negative feelings about themselves

[00:33:47] So that could be name the addiction name the problem to be alcohol drugs or or gambling or or

[00:33:53] Autography whatever it is people have food sex doesn't matter. Whatever your vice be right

[00:33:58] Yeah, and and people keep trying that because momentarily you feel better

[00:34:02] But that's not the answer another level that's even better is happiness

[00:34:05] What you get from good relationships with other people learning

[00:34:09] Good values yourself and working hard and and seeing the benefits of that and and knowing that life can be a struggle

[00:34:15] But you keep working but the highest level is joy joy comes in the morning now joy has been turned into a slogan

[00:34:22] Uh as the democrat convention

[00:34:23] As if somehow just saying the word is going to make it happen

[00:34:26] The joy really comes in a strong relationship with your faith with god

[00:34:31] And what I work when I work with people who are struggling with trauma and feeling I can't be forgiven. I'm broken

[00:34:37] No one can ever help me. I can never get rid of this dragon on my back of sadness

[00:34:43] So well, yes, you can and there's lots of stories about people who have done that in my book

[00:34:47] I tell lots of those stories and uh of people who have struggled with immense trauma

[00:34:52] You know the personal things of my own too. I don't want to sound like I'm perfect

[00:34:56] But to give examples of how people broke through

[00:35:00] and

[00:35:01] What I see here is there's a thing that paul had

[00:35:04] They said do not be conformed to this world

[00:35:06] But be transformed by the renewing of your minds so that you may discern

[00:35:11] What is the will of god what is good and acceptable and perfect not that yet? That's it

[00:35:16] That we can transform our minds. We don't have to have our thoughts eating away at us. We can really

[00:35:22] Got to understand that god's already forgiven us and stop trying to fight that stop trying to say god

[00:35:28] You're not good enough for me. You know my problems are bigger than you

[00:35:31] Because that's not true

[00:35:32] And doctor murphy I want to toss in the agency factor because you know what we need to realize that we have

[00:35:38] Choice that's one of the unique things that separate us as humans from the animal world is that we have the ability

[00:35:45] To to have agency to choose and to be accountable for those choices

[00:35:50] And the reason that I bring this up is you know god says be of sound mind god says, you know what you're put on the earth to have joy

[00:35:58] God says, you know what you're okay

[00:36:00] And and we need to understand this from an agency point of view

[00:36:03] It's all how you look at things your altitude equals your attitude or your attitude equals your altitude

[00:36:09] I should say because what happens is is that you can take a situation and depends on how you look at it now

[00:36:16] We don't want to be foolish. You can't look at it as

[00:36:19] You know pretending things are true that are not you can't deceive yourself in this process

[00:36:24] But you can look at things

[00:36:26] positively

[00:36:28] And you can look at things in ways that are unique that empower you

[00:36:32] Instead of degrade you and and my whole point is it's a choice every time every day

[00:36:38] It's a wake up and it's a and every time when you're discouraged at night and you go to bed

[00:36:42] And you pray to god and say please watch over me and then you wake up and say i'm going to praise you all the day

[00:36:46] long lord

[00:36:47] It's an attitude and a choice. I think that really is it the fundamental core

[00:36:53] Of resilience and of the ability to to follow the apostle paul's example and to follow ultimately jesus christ

[00:37:00] and to gain that

[00:37:03] Peace

[00:37:04] Am I off am I off track here? I'm not even a psychologist

[00:37:06] I'm just a redneck talk show host, but I'm telling you i'm 57 years old and i've learned that choice really undergirds

[00:37:14] everything sir

[00:37:16] Well, it's well said

[00:37:17] Proverbs 23 says as a man thinketh in his heart so he is

[00:37:23] It is tough sometimes to change our thoughts. So it's a the triangle of

[00:37:27] Our thoughts or beliefs our feelings and our actions. They're tied together

[00:37:33] And what we get caught up in is wanting to feel good and we say I feel good

[00:37:38] I don't want to feel good, but I feel anxious. I feel miserable

[00:37:41] And so i'll take some medication or advice to overcome that

[00:37:44] But really a lot of this is changing the way we think as a man think us in his heart

[00:37:48] So he is now it's not easy to do

[00:37:50] But we generally will rehearse negative thoughts. I can't I can't do this

[00:37:55] We think with misinformation and lies with irrational thinking where we over generalize or we catastrophize

[00:38:01] Not people never go well. This is the worst thing in my life or we do something called it call feel think we assume

[00:38:08] If I my anger is proof that i'm right or I know you don't love me because I don't feel your love

[00:38:13] Or if I feel anxious, there must be something out there making me anxious or

[00:38:17] And and so we we confuse feelings with thoughts or we personalize it my buddies were killed in an explosion

[00:38:22] It's all my fault

[00:38:23] I was abused

[00:38:26] But those thoughts only exist as thoughts. They're not facts anymore

[00:38:30] And what we have to do is actively dispute them actively fight them and instead of rehearsing our misery

[00:38:38] Rehearse instead hope and opportunity and part of that is what I mentioned before it's it's being able to slump off

[00:38:44] The overwhelming shame and being able to forgive ourselves. Listen, that's tough sometimes with what we've done

[00:38:50] It is very tough to do all right

[00:38:51] I want to use an interesting story to prove the point to you

[00:38:53] This is a very unique story, but it kind of relates to what we're talking about see if this fits for your logic

[00:38:59] I'm a totally blind person

[00:39:02] And I've got eight children

[00:39:04] And my wife can see and I can't I can't see anything

[00:39:07] But I but I've raised these eight children with my wife five of them are already married and six of them

[00:39:12] Or seven of them are already over 18. So I've got one child left in the house or whatever

[00:39:17] And what'll happen is my son or daughter will get in a fight with each other and my son my

[00:39:21] My son will say you know what? I don't know why she's glaring at me

[00:39:24] She's looking at me and it just bugs and so I'm ticked off and I dad she's glaring at me and I say you know what?

[00:39:30] So what?

[00:39:31] Yeah, but dad I gotta do something. No, you don't you can just ignore it

[00:39:34] You can just make a choice to choose to do something different

[00:39:36] And the proof is that my daughter glares at me and it literally has no effect on me, sir

[00:39:42] And I don't give a rip if she glares at me or not

[00:39:44] I completely ignore it because I don't even know right

[00:39:46] But the point is if you know or don't know that's not the point

[00:39:49] The point is you can make a choice though to say i'm just going to ignore that

[00:39:53] All right, and so I say to my son the reason she glares at you is because you're so good looking

[00:39:57] She doesn't know what to do about it

[00:40:00] And so then we go through this kind of thing

[00:40:01] But at the end of the day my whole point is whether you know or you don't know

[00:40:05] If it's not a choice you can make then how can I as a blind person who doesn't know she's glaring

[00:40:10] How can I make the choice to ignore it? Then if it's not a choice you can make

[00:40:14] Right, so the fact that I don't know

[00:40:17] Well, you can move ahead with your mind and say I'm going to ignore that right now

[00:40:22] So that's a little example of the point. These are choices even though we oftentimes try to

[00:40:28] Justify ourselves and pretend they're not go ahead and skip the break list. Go ahead doctor tim

[00:40:33] Well, you know what you're gonna have to great example. It's a beautiful example because when people

[00:40:37] Will say there's something out there that's triggering them

[00:40:40] You just say this makes me feel and they fill in the blank

[00:40:43] And I say well, what do you mean it makes you feel?

[00:40:46] You mean if someone says that you're automatically you're you're like a robot

[00:40:49] It's like flipping a switch

[00:40:50] If glaring at someone made them feel irritable then

[00:40:55] It should make you feel that way too regardless of being blind. That right

[00:40:59] It's a great point to say no the thing is

[00:41:02] When people say this makes me feel and it's a hold on let's let's word that instead of when this happens

[00:41:07] I choose to feel now we oftentimes have experienced so many

[00:41:12] Almost so many reactions becomes reflective and say no no it

[00:41:16] Automatically does that to me and yes with trauma these subconscious thoughts these terrible things go on

[00:41:21] If as long as we say there's nothing I can do about it, then nothing can happen

[00:41:25] Nothing that's it. Nothing comes of nothing as shakespillin said instead of you say, you know

[00:41:30] I'm making a choice somewhere here and even though I don't feel confident or rehearsed or I don't think I can do it yet

[00:41:36] As long as I tell myself I am making a choice then I can start to fight it

[00:41:41] I I bring the power back to me

[00:41:45] And little by little more and more personal will say

[00:41:48] I'm getting more control of this

[00:41:50] I do not have to let these thoughts or feelings or senses control me anymore

[00:41:55] But it takes work, but it can't be done

[00:41:57] And this is where the words of

[00:41:59] Christ and the the biblical words tell us on and on I mean look something like giddy

[00:42:04] And here's the guy who got that okay, you're gonna go up and beat the

[00:42:06] It's other army is I can't I'm the weakest of the week of a weak family. I can't do it

[00:42:11] And the Lord says no you're gonna do this you're gonna do it

[00:42:13] And so giddy came up with these silly games

[00:42:15] So I tell you what I'll believe your god if you could wet this fleece in the morning

[00:42:19] But the grounds dry next morning was there's okay

[00:42:21] I gotta come up with another magic trick how about tomorrow the police has dried with the grounds wet

[00:42:25] And it's silly things and and the race at army and the Lord says no

[00:42:29] You'll need that many get out of there and finally giddy began to get courage and realize

[00:42:34] This was no magic feather remember when dumbo could fly he had a little magic feather in his nose

[00:42:39] This is no magic feather. It's understanding to trust

[00:42:42] To have faith and trust and God's grace is what has given us

[00:42:46] The strength and the ability to do things and stop our stop wallowing in the arrogance of self pity

[00:42:52] Now I want to be sensitive here because I know there's some listeners who are thinking

[00:42:55] Yeah, but I get this terrible trauma. I lost my wife or my husband or my child died or I saw these awful

[00:43:01] Or my limbs right? Yeah, and the limbs in my eyes. I get that

[00:43:06] But what's done is done and the question is what I can do going forward

[00:43:10] God doesn't want us to dwell in ag and he wants us to move forward

[00:43:14] That's why the message of the new testament with Jesus constantly said is one of love

[00:43:18] That's what paul always talked about love and have hope and faith

[00:43:21] That that dwelling on the negatives could get us anywhere

[00:43:25] We can be transformed when we change and look instead about a healthy attitude change

[00:43:29] So give us the freedom to grow

[00:43:32] All right, doctor a lot of naysayers say, you know words of affirmation

[00:43:37] That's just a bunch of hocus pocus. Woo. Woo. You know, whatever ignore it

[00:43:42] I'm convinced words of affirmation

[00:43:46] Done consistently correctly with real hope behind them

[00:43:51] I say that that alone is more powerful than almost any drug

[00:43:56] Oh, that's a good point. Actually, we know that even such things as exercise and sleep and eating right

[00:44:02] Uh, regular exercise, which means you have to have the discipline to do it

[00:44:06] But you also I'm going to keep doing this because I believe in fixing my body and working these things

[00:44:09] We know that can be more effective in many cases as a prevention against depression and as a treatment for mild to moderate depression

[00:44:16] But the parts what you're talking about is when the words of affirmation

[00:44:19] They have to have hope behind it can't just be awake up to morning and look in the mirror and say

[00:44:22] I'm a good man. The day is going to be okay

[00:44:25] You have to look at some other things with that. There's a great

[00:44:28] story in in mathu 6

[00:44:30] I don't know exact verses, but it was when the the lord says I tell you don't worry about your life

[00:44:35] Which would eat or drink or about your body what you're gonna wear

[00:44:38] Life is more than food then body eats more than clothes

[00:44:41] And remember the lord says look at the birds of the air. They don't sew a reap or stow away in barns

[00:44:47] And yet your heavenly father feeds them and and what Jesus when I just say

[00:44:51] You're much more valuable than they can any one of you worry

[00:44:54] Worrying at a single hour to your life. Don't worry about tomorrow tomorrow's going to take care of itself

[00:44:59] Each day has enough trouble of its own

[00:45:01] So what Jesus is saying is stop worrying about the future

[00:45:05] Do what you got to do to prepare for tomorrow, but living in tomorrow isn't going to work and living in yesterday

[00:45:11] It's not going to work anxiety. I look at the negative emotion about yesterday, which is gone

[00:45:16] You cannot unset the sun it's gone and worrying about the future has no point because you cannot make the sunrise

[00:45:22] It's going to happen

[00:45:23] But what you can do is deal with the thoughts you have right now

[00:45:27] But by couple those thoughts with they we know that people who are regularly attend church poor religious

[00:45:33] So not just those that say yeah, I believe or something like that

[00:45:36] But those are regularly attended

[00:45:38] The rate of improvement of healing from PTSD is much higher than those who may be a little bit spiritual or have no faith at all

[00:45:46] And at the beginning of the show you mentioned, you know, here's a doctor writing about

[00:45:50] faith in bible most psychologists will declare that they are

[00:45:54] agnostic or atheist and

[00:45:56] And it's almost forbidden in our field even talk about religion

[00:46:00] You don't talk about religion and politics, but I make a point of always asking my clients

[00:46:04] Are you a believer what religion you practice?

[00:46:07] Can we use biblical examples as we talk?

[00:46:10] And in the island that i'll come across someone who may be a soldier says, you know, I gave up on god long ago

[00:46:14] I'm a atheist now and it's okay, but can we still use a story from the bibles that okay? Yeah, I'll go along with it

[00:46:20] Because what happens is those stories in the bible?

[00:46:23] From the scripture give us real examples of people who have overcome things

[00:46:28] But it wasn't just turning things over, but it's also the faith and look what joked it

[00:46:33] He was pretty badly beaten up

[00:46:36] And he has um

[00:46:38] He had this saying which I love because he would confront god sometimes that why you're doing this to me

[00:46:42] And he said at least there is hope for a tree

[00:46:46] If it is cut down it will sprout again and its new shoots will not fall

[00:46:51] Its roots may grow what students new shoots will not fail

[00:46:54] Its roots may grow all over the ground and it stops dying the soil

[00:46:57] Yet at the scent of water it will bud and put forth shoots like a plant

[00:47:02] Wow, that is what we need to be doing as well

[00:47:06] And thinking how when we are pruned by life by life's problems much of jesus talks about pruning

[00:47:12] It actually allows other branches to bear more fruit

[00:47:16] And and that's why the pruning takes place

[00:47:18] So if we lose a limb or our eyes or hearing or something else there there's lots of reasons to hope as we go forward

[00:47:27] I want to talk about your other books here for a second before the end of the hour because they deal with children

[00:47:32] And and you know what the debate always is nature versus nurture and

[00:47:36] How does this all play into it and by golly things weren't great when I was a kid and now i'm an adult and

[00:47:41] I just can't get past the fact that you know, I was so wrong when I was a kid

[00:47:44] And none of it's my fault and on and on and on your books tie together quite nicely as well, don't they

[00:47:50] Yeah, so the book here referred to there is called the angry child

[00:47:53] uh, and in that book um, I write about

[00:47:57] The characteristics of angry children and what are the stages of anger which are called the build-up

[00:48:02] Before things happen to spark the explosion on the aftermath and to help parents and ourselves see

[00:48:10] That anger is not just a reaction

[00:48:11] There's something that came before and that somebody comes after if you don't work on it

[00:48:15] It's going to come up again because I want parents to understand that they don't have to be victims

[00:48:21] Of their child's anger one of the problems we have in our society today

[00:48:24] And this emerges I guess more in the self-esteem movements of the 70s and 80s and then became the bulldozer parents of

[00:48:30] The part of this century is parents feel I shouldn't let my child suffer at all. So i'll give into them

[00:48:36] so you see quite frankly spoiled kids

[00:48:39] But slow in the sense that they don't know how to handle stress if their cell phone doesn't work or something

[00:48:43] They fall apart

[00:48:45] I gave a

[00:48:46] Teenager a map of the day and I said can you tell me how to get from this place to this place?

[00:48:50] Who's I don't know how to read this with 18 didn't know how to read a map

[00:48:54] Well, it's gonna be a problem if your gps goes down

[00:48:57] But that's what happens in our lives. We don't know how to do things

[00:49:00] So the point of my book the angry child is to teach parents and teach

[00:49:03] How to make sure

[00:49:04] They are helping their child be stronger faster better smarter and help to detoxify the angry reaction to kids have

[00:49:11] It can be pretty scary for parents

[00:49:14] I think one of the things that we need to do is understand personal responsibility as well

[00:49:19] You know what you can't be responsible

[00:49:21] For your

[00:49:23] History the past you can't change it and you can't be responsible for it when you're little

[00:49:27] Okay, well what you can do is own it and say, you know what I'm going to learn from it

[00:49:32] I'm gonna make sure that I don't repeat that cycle

[00:49:34] I'm gonna make sure that I learned from it

[00:49:36] I'm gonna make sure that I help and bless others as a result of my

[00:49:39] Experiences and knowledge of it and so I'm going to own it

[00:49:43] And going forward what I'm gonna do about it is I'm gonna say

[00:49:47] To myself. Hey this occurred in my life. I'm aware of it

[00:49:51] But I'm not gonna let it define me

[00:49:53] I'm going to realize who I am a son or a daughter of god almighty

[00:49:58] And he loves me and he wants me to succeed and therefore I will

[00:50:03] Succeed and so I think you can take those experiences and channel them

[00:50:07] In very meaningful ways if one is willing

[00:50:12] Yes, they can be a source of strength

[00:50:14] To learn from that and I had an alcoholic father and there and he would

[00:50:18] Strike my mother another time and it was certainly not physically kind to us to say the least

[00:50:23] And for years that's something that gnawed away at me

[00:50:25] But it became you said a key word that we have to acknowledge it and be aware of it

[00:50:29] Not pretend it and certainly doesn't help to simmer with anger for years

[00:50:32] A lot of kids who grow as adults now they grew up in alcoholic families and abusive families

[00:50:37] And some do very well and some continue to say I don't think I can get over this because of what I face

[00:50:42] Well, it does you have to attack the problems. You cannot ignore them

[00:50:46] You can't delay them or deny them or or drink them away

[00:50:49] It really is a matter of confronting it that takes some courage on a part to do that

[00:50:54] But it is an important to do that if I can tell a real quick story about a soldier

[00:50:58] That I met in hospital and I'm going to change some of the details so it's not evenifiable

[00:51:02] But he had pretty significant head injury on the left side of his brain

[00:51:05] And I was sitting down with his wife to go over

[00:51:07] His problems. He couldn't use his hand to his right hand anymore

[00:51:10] He could walk he couldn't even move his right foot anymore

[00:51:14] So he was struggling to walk his speech was now slurred. He had a hard time understanding words

[00:51:19] His personality had changed so much and as we went through each one of these I said, you know

[00:51:24] He won't be able to write with his right hand

[00:51:25] But maybe work just left and he won't be able to run anymore

[00:51:28] But you'll be able to move around we don't know how sooner how much but we're hoping he gets better

[00:51:32] And his word and his understanding of language

[00:51:34] We don't know how sooner how much will improve but we'll keep hoping he'll get better

[00:51:38] And understanding his wife had of the severity of his injury when

[00:51:43] Strapinal in his left side of his head hits so much destroyed so much brain tissue

[00:51:47] She began to cry and said, you know

[00:51:49] I'm jealous of those wives whose husbands don't come home because they can start all over and I can't

[00:51:54] And I kind of feared what she was going with this

[00:51:57] Then she said but let me tell you this I made a promise on my wedding day

[00:52:01] And if it takes me 50 years, I will teach him to laugh and love again

[00:52:07] So she could have gone down the road of despair. She had that choice

[00:52:10] But she chose instead to have hope

[00:52:13] To have belief to maintain her faith in god and her faith in her husband and her relationship there

[00:52:18] And that has made a world of difference for both of them

[00:52:20] And I tell people if she can do it, we can do it no matter what our problem is

[00:52:25] No matter how big it is there are things we can overcome

[00:52:28] Giving up is not an option

[00:52:30] And I hope people see that they don't have to resort to anger

[00:52:33] They don't have to resort to passive aggressive behavior

[00:52:35] They don't have to be attacking everybody

[00:52:37] But we look at the hope and the and things that can come in a relationship strong relationship with god and use

[00:52:43] Applied psychological principles too. So we're not doing this

[00:52:47] Without knowledge, but we really can't overcome a lot. I've seen it time and time again

[00:52:52] All right, I want to end on I want to end on a question. I know we're about out of time doctor

[00:52:56] I don't mean to interrupt, but I really think this is critical. Can anyone

[00:53:00] Choose

[00:53:01] To forgive

[00:53:04] I believe we can and I believe we must if we're going to find peace

[00:53:08] That's why I say god forgives others might get in the line other people

[00:53:11] But I must and whatever thing has happened to us if someone is done

[00:53:16] As long as we carry around tremendous condemnation and resentment for them

[00:53:19] That doesn't mean they're off the hook. That doesn't mean the justice isn't done

[00:53:22] That doesn't mean you get out of prison

[00:53:23] But that means we don't have to continue to carry away carrying around with us that condemnation is going to destroy our own heart

[00:53:31] That's what's important and when you forgive it doesn't mean forgetting either does it

[00:53:35] All right, does it know that person still has they still have to face god

[00:53:40] They have they have judgment upon

[00:53:42] But when we maintain

[00:53:45] Intensive bitterness and say if that person still lives up there not destroy that can never be happier

[00:53:50] That's not gonna work

[00:53:51] We can have hope and uh

[00:53:53] And when we say you don't have to forget ladies and gentlemen

[00:53:56] That doesn't mean you have to continue to subject yourself to that kind of abuse or that kind of a situation at all going forward either

[00:54:03] Okay, so you can change the game

[00:54:05] You can never forget but you absolutely can

[00:54:09] And if you believe god almighty and the savior jesus christ, you must forgive for the lord

[00:54:14] He'll forgive whom he will forgive it for us. It's required that we forgive all men

[00:54:18] I know it's hard doctrine but folks in that

[00:54:22] Is peace

[00:54:24] All right, dr. Tim murphy was with me ladies and gentlemen drtim murphy dot com the website is incredible three books

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