Radio Show Hour 2 – 08/28/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans, Sam Bushman, live on your TV and radio, ladies and gentlemen. Hope you're absolutely doing fantastic. This is the broadcast for August the 28th in the year of our Lord, 2025.

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[00:01:07] We've got so much to cover, so little time. Last hour we had on Brian Rust, great interview. Honest Money Report talking about constitutional currency. Back when I was born in 1967, the average cost of a gallon of gas, 33 cents. Just saying 33 cents. In the late 40s, a gallon of gas cost approximately a quarter. Now, they're excited because it's down to what? Average of $3.15, 20 cents a gallon?

[00:01:37] Oh boy. Constitutional currency does quite well, doesn't it, ladies and gentlemen? All right. Our guest now, Mr. Tom DeWeese, friend from forever ago, been friends for a long time, have absolutely tremendous trust and respect for his work and what he's doing. Welcome to the broadcast, Tom. Good to be with you, Sam. Thank you. I know we don't have a lot of these people on video, folks.

[00:02:04] We're doing our very best and we're getting better at it, but a lot of these people are just so used to being on the radio with me that they're not quite ready for video yet. So we're working on that and we'll get better at it as we go along. But Tom DeWeese is the president and founder of a group called AmericanPolicy.org. American Policy does a phenomenal job. I first learned of Tom back in the 90s. We were talking about Agenda 21 back in the day.

[00:02:32] We were talking about, hey, they want to control all land and they'll go to all lengths to accomplish that goal. And for the longest time, they flew under the radar. For the longest time, it was hard to get people to understand what we were saying, to believe what we were saying had merit. They're kind of like, you guys are conspiracy nuts. But over time, everybody realizes now the score. And so they've been forced to move Agenda 21 to Agenda 2030. I don't think they're going to get their 2030 goal either.

[00:03:00] However, the battle has been on since Tom DeWeese and others, Henry Lamb and many other people, have started this fight dealing with property rights and more. And Tom DeWeese has been in the fight for a long time, doing a great job. I just wanted to get a hold of him and say, man, we've got to have an updated report from what's going on. Let's start there, Tom. How have you seen things change over the last several decades, first of all? Well, first of all, there are many more people who are understanding what we're talking about.

[00:03:29] When we first started, it sounded so crazy. People really weren't accepting it. The only people who did were ones who were starting to feel the effects of those policies. They became our peers as fighters. Now everybody is feeling it. And they want to know, what's this about? What's happening? Why is this going through all this? And now they're starting to listen as we try to explain it to them.

[00:03:52] And the assault on private property right now is probably the biggest thing that we're feeling from it all. The incredible attacks on our farmers and in the cities where they are literally taking away protections for single-family neighborhoods to build high-rises and apartment buildings and so forth. All of that is going on in almost every community across the country.

[00:04:19] And we're doing our best to try to explain to people and try to get local activists to stand up and fight it. We need to understand, ladies and gentlemen, private property rights are the key to freedom. And that's really where you guys started. You saw all kinds of questionable issues about private property and property and everything else. And you thought, you know what? This is what the Founding Fathers were talking about. If you don't have any property, you don't have any liberty at all, Tom. Yeah, it's true.

[00:04:48] I mean, if you don't have any private property, how do you have your First Amendment right to freedom of speech if all the property is controlled by some other force? And, you know, have you ever been to one of these places where they say, well, over here is the free speech zone? You know, this little spot over here, you can say what you want, but nowhere else. When you don't have private property that you own, you protect, then you lose freedom of speech,

[00:05:18] you lose the Second Amendment. I mean, the whole Constitution goes out the window at that point. And our Founding Fathers understood that. They knew that private property was the most important right. And this is also the way that individuals have to build their own personal wealth, is through private property ownership. And there is a major attack going on now to take that away.

[00:05:43] And, you know, the farmers who just want to farm. I've never met a farmer who didn't want to, you know, just be left alone and farm. They don't want to be political. But we've got the wind and solar thing that's coming in, taking over massive amounts of farmland. You've got these carbon capture pipelines that are using eminent domain as a power force to come in and say, well, if you don't like it, it's too bad. We're going to take it anyway. And we've got corporations that are doing that all over the country.

[00:06:14] And this is probably the fight that I'm most involved in right now, is trying to expose that and stand with the farmers. All right. Now, a lot of people are thinking, hey, you know what? That used to be the case, but now we're under Trump. It's all good, right? Well, first of all, he's one man. And the thing is massive. And one man cannot solve it all.

[00:06:36] He desperately needs people at the local level to begin to fight from that end of it while he's doing what he can from the top. And we can meet in the middle somewhere. But that probably is my greatest fear of people saying, well, he's in there now. I don't have to do anything. And that is a surefire way we're going to lose. And let's be clear, though. Let's be clear so everybody understands. We're not saying that Donald Trump's not doing a lot of good.

[00:07:04] We're not saying that he's not a lot better than predecessors because he is. But we are saying he's one man. We are saying he's one man. We are saying there's only so many things he can focus on. How much political capital does he have? He gets basically fought on everything under the sun, sued, judges blocking. So how much can he do? The answer is he can do a ton if we the people and folks like American policy get back. Behind what's being done. That's one aspect. Number two, he doesn't know everything, though.

[00:07:32] Many of us don't realize how bad this really is until we get involved in it. People like you, Tom, who, you know, you're neck deep in this thing. Every time you turn around, it seems worse in many ways. At the same time, we're gaining scores of successes, right? That's true. And the thing is, as I said, the government is so massive. And it covers, I mean, every aspect of our lives. And there are these monstrous forces, these non-governmental organizations, private organizations with billions of dollars.

[00:08:02] There is the World Economic Forum that is training them to even get involved at the local level and so forth. But they didn't say anything with Ronald Reagan. They surround Trump. And some of them are attacking with, you know, hate speech and all that. But others are putting their arm around them saying, hey, we can work together. And next thing you know, they're beginning to promote their policies and keep them in place.

[00:08:27] In October of last year, just before the election, the World Economic Forum held a summit in San Francisco. And the purpose of that was, okay, we know Trump's going to win this thing. How do we keep the agenda moving forward? And what they did was they put together a strategy to focus on the local and the state levels.

[00:08:50] And we are seeing now state regulations coming out, local communities that want to stand up and protect their property rights and so forth. In many states, they're putting out legislation saying, well, you can't do that. That has to come from the state. This is how they operate and, you know, keep the agenda moving forward and stop us from, you know, protecting our rights and our local communities. There's a lot to do in so little time.

[00:09:20] How come Trump hasn't moved more on property rights? You would think that he would back out of things. He would get rid of a lot of the, I don't know what you want to call national monuments that other presidents have, one, put in place and two, expanded. His first term as president, he came to Utah and had a big to-do where he shrank, whatever that thing's called, ears, whatever it is. And, you know, but yet we haven't really seen as much on it as I would like to think. And to me, this is one of the most critical issues where a lot of political capital should be spent, Tom.

[00:09:51] Yeah, I agree. But again, I mean, look how much, how busy it's in, you know, the summits and everything else he's doing. And the Republicans in Congress have not stood up behind him and tried to do these things. And I think he's got over 200 appointees that they have not confirmed and put in place. So his, you know, administration is not full.

[00:10:19] And a lot of these Obama leftovers and so forth are still there running things. And that's why I say there's only so much you can do. So, you know, I think that's part of the problem. The other thing, as you said earlier, he doesn't know everything. And a lot of these policies, the way they're worded, it can fool you. And you think, oh, you're doing a good thing. The whole thing about, you know, the real battle they've run on this whole thing is under the name of climate change.

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[00:12:13] If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief. But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible. Who are they? Republicans. Who are they? Democrats. Who are they? Virtually the whole body is careless and reckless with your money. So the money will not be offset by cuts anywhere. The money will be added to the debt and there will be a day of reckoning. What's the day of reckoning?

[00:12:42] The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market. The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar. When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency. All right, back with you live, Mr. Tom DeWeese with me, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:13:07] He's president and founder of the American Policy Center, AmericanPolicy.org. Tom DeWeese is one of the nation's leading experts, folks, and advocates of individual liberty, free enterprise, private property rights, personal privacy, back to basics education, not to mention American sovereignty and independence, ladies and gentlemen. Private property rights are the keys to freedom.

[00:13:34] Now, I want to bring up a story I talked about last hour with you, Tom, because I think it relates directly. I guess the American Dream Mall in East Rutherford, New Jersey was sued for allowing sales on Sunday. It's claimed to violate local laws. There was a law passed in 1798 that you can't buy stuff on Sunday.

[00:13:59] And the interesting thing is they accused the mall of selling lumber and all this different kind of stuff, just stuff at the mall. The mall, which openly advertises being open on Sundays, argues that these laws do not apply to it. Why? Because the mall was built on state land. Now, I'm kind of thinking, I think me and you should get a bunch of government land for our projects, right?

[00:14:24] But think about it, a mall built on state land so they don't have to obey local laws in the community? Actually, Bergen County, I guess, is where it is. And they had a chance to vote on these laws back in 1980. And they basically voted, yes, let's keep these laws in place because we want to control the traffic. We don't want too much traffic on the weekends. But the reason I bring it up to you is this property issue. You've literally got the state that gave land or leased land.

[00:14:53] You know, I don't know how the agreement works, but they're saying we're not going to obey local law. Tom, we've got state property we're built on. And I'm thinking about that and going, if that's not fascist, I don't know what is, Tom. Wow. I had not heard about this. You say it was the local law that said they couldn't open on Sunday? That's right. Local community? Yeah. Yeah. But that's what we're running into. But mall is saying, hey, we're built on state land. We don't care about your local laws. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what we're running into.

[00:15:22] And, you know, taking all this tokenism and making all these little rules and so forth that, you know, it's – you've got a whole bunch of these power forces. I mentioned these NGOs and World Economic Forum, people like that.

[00:15:39] They are slowly but surely putting those kinds of things in place at the state level and taking away – you vote on your local city councilmen, your county commissioners, because, you know, you want to control how your community is, what it's like. That's how our founders set up this country, that the local level was supposed to have the most influence on you, and you were to have the most influence on it for that reason.

[00:16:06] And step by step, they have moved to take that away. Now that they're looking at what Trump is doing at the federal level, knocking down a whole bunch of this stuff, how do they keep the agenda going? And going into the state and doing exactly what you just described is one of the kind of things that they're doing to keep the agenda moving. Ladies and gentlemen, this is something really that is baffling to me.

[00:16:30] So, you know, hey, we're doing the very best we can, and I don't mean to bring up a story Tom's not aware of, but think about how vast this country is, 350 million people or whatever the number is. You've got one guy who's president that means well. I truly believe Trump means well. And I doubt Trump knows about this. I doubt – but why on earth do we have a mall built on state-owned land? I mean, I'm debating state-owned land in the first place, but I digress from there.

[00:16:55] The point is, hey, I mean, are those folks paying massive taxes to lease that land? So you've got to pay a lease and taxes? Or are they getting kind of a special privilege, you know, with this deal? It's very interesting. There's issues like that all over this country, and every one of them has a unique twist. Every one of them has local laws, state laws, general government laws, agendas, many of them even international.

[00:17:24] You've got Chinese police stations right here on American soil. You've got Chinese purchasing property right near military bases. I mean, isn't that where Americans start to really go, whoa, wait a minute. Hold on. What's happening here, Tom? That's where they all start to say, well, it's just too big. There's nothing I can do about that, which is the worst part of the whole thing. But, you know, the interesting thing is all of these things all lead to one thing.

[00:17:53] The government's saying, I can't, you can't, we can't. You know, they control that. And another part of that is what we're dealing with now, it's becoming a major issue across the country, is property taxes. Here you have, you are paying for your property. You have all the responsibility there. If anything happens on your property, you're responsible, how you deal with it and so forth. And yet you have government at several different levels, whether it's a state level, the county, city level.

[00:18:23] But they're dictating to you that you are going to pay these taxes on it. And if you don't, even if you got the property paid for, we're going to take it away from you. And so here again, is it yours or isn't it? What stake do your elected officials have in your property? What gives them the right to tell you what you can and can't do on that property that you're paying for? Now, I'm not saying if you're doing something that's affecting somebody else's property, yes, that needs to be stopped.

[00:18:54] But, you know, that's nuisance laws and so forth. But the government starts to dictate to you what you're going to do. And then they say, well, we need this property right here to put a pipeline in. Or we need to widen the roads. We're going to take this much of your property and all that. What right do you have to that property when they have all those kind of regulations? And property taxes is number one on it. And that is a growing movement across the country.

[00:19:20] I'm working with some folks to, you know, begin to get rid of property taxes. Well, that brings up a fair question. What's worse, income taxes or property taxes? I'm having a hard time, but both are just as dangerous. And most states either have one or the other. They claim, oh, we don't have a property taxer. Oh, we don't have an income taxer. But it just means they have more of the other one typically, right? I want to find the first state that has neither. Right. Well, I mean, it's a means of control is what it is.

[00:19:50] And, you know, you're seeing all these people are posting and so forth all over the place on social media about how they tax your income as you earn it. And then everything you spend it for, they tax you again on and on and on. You end up with about 10 percent of your money and the government ends up with the rest of it. And, you know, this is just a tyranny that is, you know, completely wrong to do to people.

[00:20:17] But this is what we said at the very beginning about people starting to wake up to this stuff. That's one of the things I'm seeing of people starting to ask those questions and getting involved in these things. And, you know, whether you feel like you've been beat or not on this, whether you feel like it's too big to handle or not, asking questions is the start of hope. It is the start of saying, well, if I ask some questions, maybe we can make a difference. Isn't asking questions kind of the first sign of hope? Yes, absolutely.

[00:20:46] This is one of the new tactics that we're really building on. And, you know, as I said, people going into their local governments sometimes feel intimidated by it all. But you start to ask certain questions. One of them is, you know, by what right? Who do you represent? In other words, by what authority are we talking about, right? Exactly, yeah.

[00:21:09] You ask your local city council and county commissioners, whatever, is they're putting it in there going to say, well, they call them the stakeholders. We had a meeting with the stakeholders. And, well, this is just the way it's done. There's nothing we can do anymore. Wait a minute. Can you provide a list of stakeholders, please? There are thousands of them. But they begin with a lot of the environmental movements.

[00:21:38] You've got the Nature Conservancy and the Sierra Club and groups like that. You've got Planned Parenthood. All of these are, you know, and they have their people go into your city councilman and surround them. I have talked to city councilmen all over the country who will say maybe a hundred of these organizations are there all the time. They bring them policies. They bring them all, you know, in the proposals of the policies.

[00:22:05] They bring them the here's the grant money we need to apply for to get this. The grant money is how the poison is spread because you may get a grant in your community maybe to repave Main Street. Maybe it's something you need to do. But that grant comes with all kinds of details in it like, well, you're going to need to put roundabouts on each end of the Main Street. You're going to need to use these kinds of building materials.

[00:22:30] You're going to have – this is how they move the agenda forward when you think you're just doing this one little thing. We've got to teach local elected officials to stop taking the federal grants and, you know, keep it all local and make sure it's local. But they keep thinking these policies are local and they're not. I can take you to Dubai or Jamaica or anywhere like that and find the exact same language and the exact same plans. It is an agenda for control.

[00:23:01] One of the things that Tom is doing is some tremendous things you probably haven't heard about, folks. So the real question that we're asking today is how do you make a difference? It's one thing to hear about it and go, man, it's a lost cause. This thing's big. It's another one Americans start to say, no, I want to ask some questions. And you need to ask some questions in your local community meetings and they'll be mad at you for sure. But you can be civil and polite and kind and respectful and decent. You just got to stick with the truth.

[00:23:28] So you first, you know, hey, by what authority are you doing this thing? Secondly, hey, I want to talk about who your stakeholders are. If you have this plan, this agenda, this focus, this funding, where does the money come from? Who created the plan? Oftentimes you'll find that it comes to national or oftentimes even international levels of where this comes from. When we get back, we're going to talk with Tom DeWeese about how do you make a difference? We're going to talk about have you heard of Freedom Pods? Right.

[00:23:58] We're also going to talk about some of the tremendous work they're doing called Catching Fire News. There's a lot going on with Tom DeWeese and the folks over at AmericanPolicy.org. We're talking to Tom DeWeese, president of the American Policy Center. Incredible work about property rights. Hey, property rights are the key to freedom, everybody. Remember that. Tom DeWeese with me. Hang tight. Back in seconds. You are watching and listening to the one and only Liberty Roundtable Live.

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[00:30:12] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Sam Bushman back with you live. Tom DeWise on your radio. He's the president and founder of AmericanPolicy.org. The American Policy Center doing a phenomenal job standing for property rights for more than 30 years.

[00:30:42] Property rights equals freedom, ladies and gentlemen. You cannot overlook that reality check. And we're talking about this issue is not too big for we the people. There's nothing too big for the American people to handle. And Americans are starting to take interest asking the right questions and getting involved. And for years, they had their way with us with Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030. And they were stealing property rights left and right. But we're pushing back in very meaningful, productive ways. It's incredible to see.

[00:31:07] Tom DeWise is one of the nation's leading advocates for individual liberties, free enterprise, property rights. The list goes on and on. Check out the great work at AmericanPolicy.org. How do you make a difference is the question I asked before the pause. And we'll go back straight to that. First off, I want to ask people, have you heard of Freedom Pods? If you go to AmericanPolicy.org, you can learn about them. But a quick briefing from Tom DeWise. What on earth are Freedom Pods, sir? Yeah.

[00:31:36] Well, first of all, when, you know, local activists from our side, people who believe in limited government and so forth, we don't like government. That's why we don't want to have a lot of it. And we don't say we don't like government. We realize government's a necessary evil. We do support the proper role of limited constitutional government. What we really hate or don't like at all is unconstitutional, immoral government where they don't have any authority. That's what we really don't like. We just want to be left alone, Tom.

[00:32:06] Exactly. So what happens is when something does come up that we feel, oh, my gosh, we've got to do something about this, we're not organized to do anything about it. So we start calling our friends saying, you know anything about this? What do we do about this? And by the time you've asked all these questions, they've already got it in place. A Freedom Pod is a concept I came up with a couple of years ago that we're organizing in your own community

[00:32:33] and a permanent infrastructure so you're watching what's going on. You're staying on top of it watching. As I mentioned earlier, your elected officials are surrounded by these non-governmental organizations. That's all they're hearing. And once in a while, one of our people walk in and say something, and it's so out of ordinary for these elected officials that they say, oh, my God, what's that about? And they don't get you. They don't listen to you.

[00:33:01] They have got to feel pressure from our side. And that's the point of a Freedom Pod. The first thing in a Freedom Pod, first of all, you have to understand you cannot save the republic in one day. I have so many people say, well, we've got 100 people who show up at our city council meeting. I say, what happened? Well, nothing. They didn't listen to us. And I ask them this question. What did you do the next day? Well, nothing. It didn't work. Yep, they were looking at their watches.

[00:33:29] They knew exactly what you were going to do. Go away. Freedom Pod, you don't go away. You're there. The first thing in building a Freedom Pod, putting a team together, you'll have your leaders. You need to figure out in the people that you have. You can have this with 10 or 15 people. You can be effective with it. Some people love to do research. Very, very valuable people.

[00:33:53] To get in there, start looking in your community to your comprehensive plan that every community is putting together now. And you will begin to find policies that have been put in place. You'll see the grant programs that they've gone for. You need to find out who the NGOs are working in your community. Your research will show you that.

[00:34:18] And very interesting, talking about these comprehensive plans, when you ask your elected officials why they're doing that, they'll say, we want to make sure there's no chaotic growth for the future. Let me share this quote with you. The chaotic growth of cities will be replaced by a dynamic system of urban settlement. The region is formed in the economic interdependence of its development.

[00:34:45] The region has a single system of transportation, a centralized administration, and a united system of education and research. This was written in 1968 by a Soviet Russian architect named Alexei Gutinov in a document called The Ideal Communist City. We didn't have comprehensive plans 30 years ago. We just had elected officials that were elected to do the right thing to move our community forward the way we wanted it to be.

[00:35:14] These came together as a tool to completely change the whole system of our government and take away local control and put all this stuff in place. And I think that pretty well says it right there. But as you're building that team... It's important to understand, ladies and gentlemen, look, how do you make a difference? That's the first question people should ask. The answer is Freedom Pods are your local solution.

[00:35:42] You can create a team of people that keep an eye on city council, keep an eye on your county commissions, and report back. But in companionship with the Freedom Pods on the local level is Tom DeWeese's organization, AmericanPolicy.org. And in American Policy, they have a term called Catching Fire News. What is Catching Fire News? In my mind, it lets people know what's going on everywhere else to keep you up to speed so you know what to watch for.

[00:36:10] If you pay attention to Catching Fire News, you can say, hey, you know what? Steve just called me and said this happened at our city council meeting last night or our county commission last night. Hey, man, Catching Fire News is talking about pretty soon you're starting to put the things together. Tom? Exactly. That's the point of it. It's our online system. We had to curtail doing it for a while, but we're getting ready to reestablish it and going with it again. And very, very popular.

[00:36:37] And I have four different people who do programming on it. And we will bring it on. We might be able to help make some of those things happen, my friend. Yes. I've heard that. You were on my list to call today, believe me. But, yeah. He and Tom met back in, I think, 92 or 3 or 4, something like that, at a Burt Smith event. And we met with some people with money. And we were both trying to promote what we were doing. And we've been fast friends ever since.

[00:37:06] But this Catching Fire News really lets people know kind of whenever we get a new piece of news about their new twist, they change names, they play games, they hide money, they hide plans and relationships. It's up to us to dig and expose those. Well, Catching Fire News is your national counterpart to help you with your local created Freedom Pod. I mean, that's really the way it works, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm going to tell you, one of the most important parts in doing this is communication.

[00:37:35] It's easy for us to sit around people we know and we like and we talk about these problems. But the majority of people in your community do not know what we know. And we have got to communicate with them and get that out. One of the tools that you can really easily put together is a grading system. You look at those policies they put in place and grade them 1 to 10. 1 is total communism, 10 is freedom's heroes.

[00:38:01] And then you look at how your elected officials voted for it and you grade them the same way. When you put this out and get it out all over the community, they're going to do you a big favor. They're going to respond. Now you've got a public debate on these issues. And that's one way to really get it going and get your Freedom Pod operating. So, yeah. And take an issue with when they respond. One of the things that you need to clearly document at literally every city council,

[00:38:31] every county commission, every local meeting. And here's what you need to say. It's not your money to give. Guys, if you want to go ahead and write a check out of your personal pocket, Steve, Larry, Joe, whoever you are, by all means, start writing and just start with a positive number and add zeros. Have fun. When it comes to our money, we the people's money, the taxpayers' money, you have limits and bounds of what you can do. It's not your money to give.

[00:38:59] And that's one of the big ways that you can stop them in their tracks because, hey, once Americans are calling for that, then they have to show line items of what they're spending and why and how and justify it. And then I would say, hey, if you're going to justify your spend, remember it's not your money to give. But now let's use the state constitution, the general constitution. Let's talk about what you really have authority to do as a legislative body. You don't have the right to pick my pocket.

[00:39:25] You don't have the right to and see how these conversations just start like that. And then the whole idea is if you can hold your elected representatives personally, personally accountable, personally accountable. What does that mean? It means you can't pretend you're somebody else because you're a legislator or because you're a whatever the case may be. You're still you as a person. And yes, you have authority to represent me. Oh, that's what you were elected to do.

[00:39:54] So now we're going to hold you personally accountable at the elections, personally accountable with it's not your money to give personally accountable. And we can keep going. But I mean, I know it gets personal and scrappy and people get mad in a hurry. But if we just stand by the rule of law, stand by the proper rule of limited government, stand by tracing the money, tracing the plans, using our pod to get the word out. Americans believe in property rights. They've just been disenfranchised for so long. They don't know how to react.

[00:40:22] It's almost like you and the communist Chinese people freedom tomorrow. They'd lose it in a second because they don't know how to handle it. They don't they're not. They don't know what to do with it. When we get back, I want Tom Deweese to kind of respond to some of these tidbits because we want to hold them personally accountable. You've also got this domestic terrorism stuff. If they start to lose, what they do is they result in domestic terrorism to try to get you back in line. Folks, that terrorism in America has got to stop. Tom Deweese with me.

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[00:42:58] Back with you live, ladies and gentlemen. Tom DeWeese with me, president and founder of AmericanPolicy.org. We're talking about the American Policy Center setting up for property rights everywhere. I brought up several different tidbits, ladies and gentlemen, but we have got to push back and ask some of these hard questions. We've got to follow the money. We've got to follow who's involved. You know what? Get a list of who's doing what. You know, where did you get this plan from?

[00:43:27] And they're going to avoid you. They're going to try to give you sidestep answers. No, no, no. Real answers. It's not your money to give. We're going to hold you personally responsible, folks, when it comes to election time. There's no threats here. There's just reality. I'm going to talk about communication because you just say holding them responsible.

[00:43:56] If you just go in and talk to them and try to, you know, pressure them that way, you're probably not going to – they're just going to shut the door on you. But if you're getting it out all across the community of what they're doing, if you have talked to them and they have said some really stupid things, you know, about what, you know, what they are doing and, well, it doesn't matter. I'm just – we're going to do it anyway. It's just the way it's done. You need to quote them. You need to name them. You need to get it out across the community.

[00:44:24] And if they're doing something – one of the most horrible things they're doing right now in the cities is they're going into single-family neighborhoods and they're removing protections. You have in your neighborhood the protection where they can't build high-rises in there or a shopping mall in the middle of your street or, you know, things like that.

[00:44:45] And they are now saying that, well, that's people – that's racist and that is people trying to keep away from living next to people they don't want to live next to. No, you bought that home as a means for an investment, as a way for your family to live. It's what you want. And they're going into that and they're taking that away. One of the things I've been telling people across the country – What do you mean that's racist? That was what the – You've just gone so far with this I don't even comprehend it. What do you mean it's racist? Yeah.

[00:45:15] The mayor of Minneapolis said that about zoning protections for single-family neighborhoods. That's what he said. It's racist because there's people moving into these neighborhoods that don't want to live next door to people that they don't want to live next to, you know, that they can keep them out, which is completely nuts because we have the civil rights legislation from the 60s that made it illegal to do anything like that. So that's not what it is. Nobody's blocking people from living there.

[00:45:42] They're just trying to keep from bringing in – what they've said is that we have a housing crisis in this country, which we don't. We have a government problem. But you have people living in public housing, and these guys are using this. They're saying, look at those people living in those single-family neighborhoods where they have all the best schools. They have the closest to jobs and all of that.

[00:46:07] If these folks in these public housing could move into that neighborhood, they would get a better job and make more money. But where they have – with this housing crisis, where people have four people living in that area with a backyard and so forth, we could put 100 families in that space by building a high-rise. And this is – Well, this is all about property and control, though. West of the Mississippi, the government owns most of the land. Why doesn't the government sell off most of the land?

[00:46:37] And we have plenty of room to spare. Tom, that's number one. And number two, hey, everybody can obtain the American dream, can't they? And if they can't, then we've got to discuss the reasons why. Maybe education has something to do with it. Maybe people's willingness to work has something to do with it. Maybe getting people off the dole has something to do with it. Maybe keeping families together has something to do with it. It shows – I mean, you see statistics that show families that stay together and pray together and eat together.

[00:47:04] And, hey, they have better outcomes for women, men, children, everyone. We can't ignore those debates. And what we seem to do is let them have their way with the debate and use the calling cards for the discussions. We need to bring up these issues and say, no, no, no, no, let's talk about this. Why can't you build your houses over here? Why can't you – so, yeah, we've got a problem in many fronts. I mean, how many illegal aliens are in the country? Say 30 million.

[00:47:33] Well, what's that, 7, 8 million households? If there's three, four people to a house, 7, 8 million households that are controlled by illegals that shouldn't even be here? Okay. Hey, the black guy down the street could get a house if an illegal didn't have it. So we can go down all kinds of roads with these discussions. But at the end of the day, government needs to obey the proper rule of government. There are laws that they're literally circumventing and changing before our very eyes, right?

[00:48:02] I mean, that's just what we're dealing with here. Portland, Oregon was the poster child under the environmental issues of we don't want to have any building outside of the community there. So we put a border around the community, no growth outside of that. And now, 20-some years later, the border has not moved at all, but the population has grown by 80%. Suddenly we have a housing crisis. No, we don't. We've got a government crisis.

[00:48:31] And this is what they do across this country. And now you have young people, 30 years and younger, who are not able to buy a home because of the inflation, because of the rules and regulations on the prices of it. And they aren't able to have children and start their families. And this has become a crisis across the country as well as one of the results of all this.

[00:48:55] The good news is, ladies and gentlemen, there are talk shows like Liberty Roundtable Live telling the tale of truth so you can know what's going on. The greater news is, people like Tom DeWeese over at AmericanPolicy.org and others are providing guidelines for solution. Think about that. Guidelines, ideas, recommendations, collaboration for solutions. You can set up a local pod in your area. You can then work with the national group and get ideas and recommendations.

[00:49:23] Hey, Tom, how do I deal with this? Hey, so-and-so, can you come and speak on this? Hey, how do I hold them accountable? Hey, they said this. I'm not sure how to respond. All that material has been built by the American Policy Center, and you can bring it to your freedom pod. You can use Catching Fire News to keep up with the issues of the day. You can use their training videos and guidelines. We've got to stop this domestic terrorism.

[00:49:49] When you literally put a fence around everybody, not physically, but by law and say we can't grow out of this area, it's almost domestic terrorism. Everybody's forced to live on top of each other. No wonder it all goes to crime and all goes south. The people who have the wherewithal get the heck out. The rest are left. It's a disaster. But it's all created by government. It's all created by government overstepping its authority. Tom? Tom?

[00:50:15] If you go to our website at AmericanPolicy.org, and we have a section there marked Freedom Pods, and you click into there, and we've got a lot of the tools. We've got resolutions, things like that, answers for an awful lot of things. We've created a local activist handbook that people are using all over the country as a guide. It tells you exactly how to organize and a lot of the background information on these issues and that sort of thing.

[00:50:45] And you can go in there, and you can communicate with me on there if you want to organize something. Some of the things I've been doing with some of the communities, they'll bring four or five of their leaders on. And we'll have a Zoom call, and we'll talk about things and give them ideas and help them move along. So that's all the things we're trying to do is help people get this underway. Ladies and gentlemen, on a personal note, I don't know if the best thing about Tom is that he's been fighting for liberty for more than 30 years.

[00:51:12] I don't know if it's the best thing about him that he's a prolific writer and educator. I don't know if that's the best or if it's the fact that he loves disco and has his own disco ball. I'm not sure which is the most important, Tom. I do have my own disco in my basement. I was a DJ back in the disco days, a private entity I had. And I had all this equipment left over. And when I built my house, I thought, what do I do with it? Oh, I know.

[00:51:39] So I have a DJ booth and a mirrored ball and the lights and everything. Yep. It's incredible. So there's a little personal tidbit about Tom that I think is really worthy. You know, we are staying alive, ladies and gentlemen. Americans are really understanding who they are. And Donald Trump is really, in his defense, changed the game to where Americans are realizing we can take back America. Look at one man. Donald Trump's what he's done. And you can say, well, he's got a lot of money. He's got fame. He's got fortune. He's got... I know.

[00:52:07] But you've got your ability to make a difference where you are, too. All we're asking is that you stand where you are and lift. All we're asking is that you reach out to others and believe you can make a difference. And you can. And then you've got people to give you the support that you need to make your stand. You have a question you don't know the answer to? Hey, AmericanPolicies.org's got you. AmericanPolicy.org. Or, hey, you want to come on Liberty Roundtable Live and talk about it? You want to see what's going on in your area? We're all here to help.

[00:52:37] And that's what really, in my opinion, is the genius of America is we can all participate wherever we are with our own sphere of influence. Big or small doesn't matter. Find out where you need to be and get involved. Get her done. Do something. Do you find that over the last 30 years things have been growing, Tom? I do. I do. And I just want to say what you just said about Donald Trump is a perfect example here of what they did to him over the last four years before he got in office. You know, all the charges and everything like that.

[00:53:06] And he fought back and he pushed them back. And we need to take, you know, that as an example. Don't be intimidated by your local community. If you start doing what we're showing you here how to do and so forth, you will begin to push back. I've got people around the country who have, who have succeeded at this. And don't be intimidated by them. Stand up and fight. And take him as an example and, you know, get some strength in you.

[00:53:34] You've got to stand up to this and you can win. They will back off. They will because they have to. Once they get exposed, then they've got to deal with it personally. And they've got friends and associates in the community. They're going to say, hey, what's going on here? Why is this happening? That's what we need to do. We don't need to be belligerent. We don't need to be rude. We don't need to be offensive. We do need to stand our ground. Tom, thank you so much, my friend. We'll have you back soon. Thank you. Appreciate it. There he goes.

[00:54:03] Tom DeWeese, ladies and gentlemen, president and founder of the American Policy Center. Incredible organization doing a phenomenal job standing up for your property rights. Remember, property rights equals freedom, ladies and gentlemen. You cannot have freedom without property. Private property rights. Okay? Americanpolicy.org. Check it out. Get involved. They're part of the solution today. That's for sure. I'm Sam Bushman. You are watching and listening to Liberty Roundtable Live, syndicated by the Loving Liberty Radio Network. Spread the word. Share the love.

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