Radio Show Hour 2 – 06/20/2024

[00:00:12] Live from a top-ther Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. Ask you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Back with your live, ladies and gentlemen, Sam Bushman on your radio hard hitting news that I've ever used to use to note out continues now.

[00:00:33] This is the broadcast for June 20th in the year of our Lord, 2020. This is our two of two. We always promote God-pand the country and protect life-living property. Let me now, Elden Stahl, Field Coordinator for the John Burch Society, JBS.org,

[00:00:48] the new american.com, what a wonderful magazine. Excellent group of people doing a phenomenal job. And before we get to all the topics today, I heard John Burch's site is having a big old event coming up, Elden. Oh yes, they are. Yeah. How do you know?

[00:01:05] I'm going to make some noise. Sure. Yeah. It's Laguda Hills, California. Yes, sir. We're having what's called the leadership conference in September. And yeah, they put out all the details to it. There are supposed to be some incredible speakers. Yeah.

[00:01:29] If you go to JBS.org, you could find out the details and how to register if you want to go down there. The name is standing in the gap. September 20th and 21st Friday and Saturday. And you a great opportunity, everybody can go.

[00:01:45] You know, of course, along with their well-behaved. And you know, a great opportunity to learn to get to know fellow patriots. And just to really get maybe get to know about the John Burch Society if you're new to it too. That's a really good place.

[00:02:05] Now they do say to, there's an early board discount right now on tickets. The price goes up July 1. Yeah. That's why I want to bring it up this time because I don't think we'll be together before July 1 again. Yep. But there's early board tickets coming up. There's what?

[00:02:17] It's a whole event though. It's like a Friday night and an all day or whatever. Isn't it? Yep. All day Saturday. Right. The council dinners is Saturday evening. Friday. They're going to believe less.

[00:02:30] I saw they're going to view it and get to know the producer of the film called Fall of Minneapolis. So that'll be quite a thing. That's an amazing video, amazing film. There's a lot of stuff for that. You go into the door for a moment. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:49] There's, let's see who all is on there. Bring it up here. Fall Blair speaking, Pastor Paul Blair. Got CJ Wallace. Of course, Joe Wolverton, a great constitutional scholar, a juris doctorate, really, really good and also Bill Jasper, who's probably warned people spoken, wrote the most of anybody

[00:03:23] I know about the UN, the danger of the United Nations. And the world that he was speaking well. He's just writing on that. Right? Yes. Very, very well spoken. Great person to meet, get his books, learn from him. Then activist training as well from the field.

[00:03:47] That's very valuable as well. Yeah, I was with Bill. William Jasper last year and he had me on his program and everything else. So just great stuff. All I'm telling you is join us in Laguna Hills, California for our annual conference,

[00:04:07] featuring engaging speakers, workshops on key issues, great food and fellowship with Patrons. JBS.org. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't get a penny for this. I'm just telling you, it's a happening event that we really need to make sure people know about and aware of it.

[00:04:28] It's coming up fast and I didn't even know about it until I get sure that I got an email about it man. They're short time to take action. That's for sure. What are the dates against September? Yes. September 20th and 21st. That's a Friday Saturday. All right.

[00:04:42] There you have it ladies and gentlemen. Now I know a lot of people are hesitant to go to California. But you can just swoop in there and take care of business with the freedom fighters and then head out to save havens I guess, right?

[00:04:56] Actually, I'm not California's very liberal state but there's a lot of good conservatives there too. And that's why it's held there. There are. There are. Yeah. It's actually factual. Yep. Yep. And there are many good people in California.

[00:05:09] Jeff Landry, Louisiana, set to become the first state to mandate the display of the 10 commandments in public school classrooms under a bill signed by the governor. The associated press with the piece, that's number one before we get to the school choice, those questions.

[00:05:29] What do you think of that, Ellen? Well, it's encouraging at least that won't be a hostile environment for it. Somewhere posting the 10 commandments. I'm not sure what version of them if it's going to be a summarize form or the full. A full thing in full thing. Oh, okay.

[00:05:52] So they say it's the whole thing and then there's already lawsuits threatened against Louisiana and Jeff Landry, the governor down there. But what the governor says is so us all you want, it isn't about Christian religion per se.

[00:06:05] It's about these principles are key to a moral stable society. If we're going to be a modern society, if we're going to be, you know, we've got to have these guidelines up and available. Take it religiously.

[00:06:19] If you want ignore the religion part but take it as fact, you just can't steal and fight and you got to honor God's day on Sunday and you got to, you know, if we want to have a peaceful civilized society, that's what it takes.

[00:06:32] So the question is will they be able to withstand the lawsuits? Remember, join more judge right more. Try this back of the day and defend it in his courtroom and anything else but he just got obliterated.

[00:06:41] I still commend him for his stance, but I'm just saying, so I pray for Jeff Landry now. Enough states jump aboard to do this too. It might be a tsunami of success, but I'm afraid of Jeff and crew do it all by themselves.

[00:06:53] Now, probably if their heads handed to them, not I'm going to be negative, but I'm trying to be real about this, Ellen. Well, yeah, we've got to remember that the government school, it's also called public schools, we're designed specifically to basically root out Christianity.

[00:07:14] Root out, what's your total name? Communism, right? Well, essentially, I mean if you look at the communist manifesto, twank number 10 specifically says this is gold number 10 free education for all children in public schools. But does it take a little bit of time?

[00:07:34] That whole street, let's be clear about the wording. It says compulsory, right? In other words, forced education. Well, that's, that's of course the implied aim there to ideally require everyone to attend these schools as well.

[00:07:55] But you know, out in the open in the communist manifesto just says free education, but like if you go to, you know, Russia, technically they have, you can homeschool in Russia. You just have to follow the government's curriculum. You could do it at home if you want.

[00:08:13] Isn't that nice? So, you know, the really, they want the control. They want people to learn what the government wants and to learn. And that's the, the whole idea of the public education is control over the minds of future generations.

[00:08:36] Is it training them to be good obedient people to the government? What do you think about Jeff Landriez idea though? I mean that'll put a fly in the right mind for some degree?

[00:08:48] Well, and yeah, on a way, I mean that at least it can be a reminder to people in some degree that, you know what, this is a foundation that we could point to. Why do we have, what is the purpose of learning?

[00:09:08] Where is the foundation of law in our country or morality, which are always intermingled? Law is always an expression of a country's sense of what is right or wrong. And that stems out of religious belief.

[00:09:27] So, at least, you know, it's a, it's a little glimmer, you know, a folk there. I don't know where it's going to go, but we do know what happened with Roy Moore's efforts there in the, in the courtroom.

[00:09:46] But there's this joke that would always go around and says, well, why don't politicians want say the 10 commandments? I'm getting the, you know, and the legislative off. Well, also environment. And there's always some truth in the jokes, right? There's more than a grain of truth in that one.

[00:10:07] I'll tell you that right now. So Jeff Landriez not only says we're going to mandate the 10 commandments and government schools in Louisiana. They got to be put up before the start of the school year at 2024. So in a couple of months headline also says, Luzia governor.

[00:10:23] Jeff Landriez signs school choice legislation becoming the 12th state that has quote universal school choice. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm telling you right now, I appreciate his leadership, but I'm very concerned. We'll get into those concerns after this break.

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[00:13:27] in the Union to back school choice. They call it universal school choice now there's some strange details around some of this wording because school choice usually turned out to be only a partial

[00:13:44] choice so they had to add the word universal to the part you know part choice to now universal choice is supposed to be the whole deal but you say what is school choice? School choice allows public

[00:13:58] education funds or government stolen tax dollars to follow students to the school or services that best fit their needs whether that's a public school private school charter school homeschool or any other living environment the family's choose so the idea here is that you can choose

[00:14:18] where your kids want to go to school and money shouldn't hold you back. It sounds so awesome. Right, Eldon? Not. You know sometimes you need to read the fine print. You ever

[00:14:36] experience where the marketing is so good it sounds too good to be true or you know once you get through the fancy slogans that you find out what it really means there's so many things that

[00:14:52] are pushed legislatively that are like that. The marketing is one thing the reality is another. So let's take a little deeper look at this idea of school choice is it really equivalent to being free or having educational freedom? No, is that the same thing?

[00:15:15] No you got to follow them on the front first of all. It's not so imagine the government says to you you know hypothetically hey instead of taking your money and giving it to only one outcome this government school government education will take your money

[00:15:35] and will give it to other entities. But of course just like any government funding of things it's with strings attached these you know schools that might receive taxpayer dollars after abide by the government's rules to get those to get that money. So now

[00:15:58] we have the the principal in place and it's expanded whenever government takes from one to give to another it gains control over both and that's the quintessential problem say it again. When the government takes from one to give to another it gains control over both.

[00:16:26] So this is why before that even to talk about it gains control over both when they take money from one to give to another it's literally violating the 10 commandments is it not?

[00:16:39] Well yes yes it would be it's kind of like the bully taking your lunch money and the bully says it's really nice to get the bad view. It's all kind and gentle and stuff. Oh yeah when they take

[00:16:51] really cares about us don't they? Yes you know one thing that people should realize is that despite all the fancy dancey things of government saying we really care about you what

[00:17:03] did they really care about ultimately money and power and that's kind of a hard thing for people to realize. If they're under the assumption the government really really cares about you then they'll be willing to give to government almost any type of power right so think government

[00:17:24] have their best interest in the heart right? Well when push comes to shove government really cares about money and power and you can test this idea over and over throughout history. So what do they gain when they're starting to give taxpayer dollars to private schools to home

[00:17:44] schoolers they gain power over what is thought and what is learned. Is that increasing freedom in educational freedom? Probably not probably not. Well here's the recent question why do they have to fault why do we have to fault for the lie that the government has to steal from

[00:18:06] everybody to get a big old war chest for education and then the government can under the idea of school choice decide you can decide where you go and where you put your money but they

[00:18:17] will then control you with that money they will control you with those stipends they will eventually it will backfire why don't we just simply say this you're gonna go to whatever school you want to

[00:18:29] and you're gonna pay for it yourself or you're not going to school now if you want to get you real and your education is very cheap then fine if you have money to get a better education

[00:18:40] fine I'm not against education if you want to have employers provide scholarships for education freely at their own discretion I'm gonna find with all kinds of creative ways to get this funded but I'm not fine with the government stealing from everyone having a word chest and then saying

[00:18:55] bygolly will give you choices on how you spend this forced extracted money will give you choices how you spend it well is that really a choice I don't think so what about my choice not to

[00:19:11] participate and to get my money back or to keep your money in the first place and not have a course shaken down from you and filtered through the bureaucracy with strings attached to come back maybe

[00:19:27] so yeah there's only one difference between make sense to me Eldon there's only one ready for it uh-huh if they're gonna steal our money anyway at least we can direct maybe a better place for

[00:19:39] our kid to be and it isn't perfect but it is in hey we're already so far down this road at school choice better than no choice even some choice better than you know it's hard to say

[00:19:52] isn't it and the reason I said that as you parallel this sex education you know the all the conservatives were like no we can't have government news sex education and then they said oh but

[00:20:02] wait a minute if we're gonna do sex education let's do abstinence education now you got the abstinence education people with a teeny piece of a very big pie but they're so desperate to hold

[00:20:15] on with that piece of the pie now you couldn't get them to let go of it if you like to depend on so they're advocating for sex education and government schools just as much as the other

[00:20:22] guys isn't that a pattern we can point out for this reality check yeah yeah very similar thing when people people end up fighting over a piece of the pie but they don't realize that it's

[00:20:35] shaken down from them in the first place you know people say well I want to get I want to get my money back at least and direct it where I'd like it to go well really okay for example in Wyoming they

[00:20:50] pass something like this okay i think it's up to $8000 that you can get that you can get well how many people are paying $8000 per year in proper tax so was it really their money if they choose to

[00:21:04] send their child to a you know private school or whatever and use some of that funds well probably not it's actually some of your money and some of your neighbors money and the guy across the street

[00:21:15] and the guy down the way they're all helping pay for your child too that's right and so if I decided to take school choice money and i just decided that limit around table live is the best education

[00:21:25] you can get two hours a day six days a week and what if i just basically direct the money to liberty around table live and fund the radio show and say hey we're providing incredible education

[00:21:34] set up take notice take notes and listen is that a choice well then of course naturally it comes to where somebody will complain and say well you know what I think these these public funds

[00:21:49] are being misdirected and misuse from what they were intended so now we have a card of religion he's a fake news propeller he's a this guy's crate you can't be doing that see

[00:22:01] and so what i mean is school choice only goes so far to the quote government approved acceptable choices this universal school choice is a lie universal means i can say i don't want

[00:22:11] to even participate in it don't come and extract my money in the first place just leave me the heck alone right yeah and there's people say oh the government would never do that this school choice is

[00:22:22] just you know where everyone directed oh not really look at the recently the governor of Arizona Arizona is touted as this you know pioneer in school choice and all this well now she's she's pushing hard to have new regulations on making accountability for where these school

[00:22:45] choice so called dollars go yeah yeah all those dollars run out the rails and stop people from becoming socialist for crying out loud you can't be doing that kind of stuff well i mean

[00:22:56] in a way she does have a valid argument but at the same time the problem is that it's it's the mindset of uh rather than rather than having rights the idea that rights come from god for

[00:23:10] example the right to decide how to educate your child um it rights in the minds of you know it goes down this road in the in the world of the school choice and people don't like to

[00:23:23] they'll probably upset me saying this but it's based upon the idea that rights including the right to choose how to educate your child come from the government and that the way to ensure that those rights are exercised is to take a bunch of money away from

[00:23:40] people and dole it out back to the people with strength attached that's not how rights work work there were this school choice idea is embracing it really fundamentally an embrace of the

[00:23:53] idea of privileges coming from god for rather than rights let's say that i say i want my kid in the government school right downtown right here the nearest government school to me and i put my

[00:24:04] money there then covid hits they decide they won't educate then what do i have choice well i mean you can uh withdraw your your child from the government school right there and they

[00:24:18] just close down to the covid con you know i want to put my kid in there but they're closed down and they say i gotta stay home now they say the only option is homeschool yeah right right your

[00:24:29] forced to homeschool wow that's a universal choice there folks guys would be led like a lamb of the slaughter i'm telling you right here you will have a good boy fine you will get it justifiably so

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[00:30:35] idea of that's marketed under the banner of school choice it sounds so good on the surface it's something that boy who wouldn't want that more choices all these good things right

[00:30:47] but you dig a little deeper into it you find out maybe this isn't quite what I thought it was maybe this isn't something that I should jump on board with so tuck a little bit more about that

[00:31:02] what that actually means for us in practical situations so many states are jumping on board with this and it's becoming quite a lot of headlines for it. By the way I wrote my own

[00:31:14] outline and I want to tell you what my headline is real quick for this ready we discuss the hidden in plain sight dangers of the public school choice movement isn't it kind of hidden but in plain

[00:31:29] sight the dangers yeah it really is I mean all these people weigh these slags they were for school choice and you can now you can decide what what school to send your child to you know frankly

[00:31:46] you always had this choice this choice was always available to you. I mean if you want to home school you can do that for like 500 bucks a year and probably less if you really want to.

[00:32:02] So isn't it in a waterway to the country movement by the way held in just to be clear? Well as you got to add to the government control school choice movement right it's government

[00:32:12] control is it not sure the government comes to you is says you know you can choose any of the fruits and vegetables in this produce aisle but we stock the produce section there you go

[00:32:30] I know but I want so Bob joy on mine. Bob joy is not available to you. In fact I don't want to go produce aisle. Well no money you need to improve choice. So you have choice but it will all be government approved choices. Come Rad is that?

[00:32:51] Ah seducing freedom we discussed the hidden in plain sight. Garment controlled dangers of the school choice movement. Yeah it is serious ladies and then now a lot of people are for it because they believe that it's just a battle they can't win they can't

[00:33:08] homeschool their own kids they feel like they're just hamstringing can't do anything but you know what technology in society has changed so much there's so many curriculums out there now. Rod Paul has the credible curriculum and there's so many options and support that you can get

[00:33:23] it's just it's not even funny when you really study it when you got free choices everywhere. It really is. In expensive choices right? Yeah a lot of people are still convinced that you know educating your child yourself is something that's beyond their abilities either the

[00:33:39] intellectual abilities or financial abilities they're not in time. Yeah you're no an expert you can't possibly teach your five-year-old how to read what really? So so that speaks volumes about the educational system yourself you know think it.

[00:33:57] You put in a soccer floor call as the now you're smart enough. If you put me in that soccer for 13 years from kindergarten all the way through high school and then

[00:34:05] you put me in there for collegiate days and when I get done I can't teach somebody to read and do masonic bath or basic math then they have failed me so miserably I'd never want to repeat it.

[00:34:15] Yeah why would you want to send your child through that system? That doesn't exactly speak well for a desert and so you know but but the reality is you know well for one thing okay Wyoming for example we're spending what

[00:34:35] $15,000 per student per year probably more in public education and if you do the school choice things supposedly you can get up to $8,000 so obviously you know you do the math that there's $7,000 that is still staying in the public education arena.

[00:34:56] I choice taking out of there I don't want them to have any of it. Yeah well nope nope they get to keep the money so what if I want to hold my kids for a

[00:35:07] hundred bucks a month just say or five hundred bucks a month whatever and I keep the 15 you know or $1,000 a month that it costs or whatever and I keep the you know $900 or whatever difference and just pocket the money can I do that

[00:35:21] Something that would help my savings well and education there's it's right It's always going to be a debate about what is proper use of that money Well the thing is that debate ends if you keep your money in the first place

[00:35:38] Wait a minute if it's like choice I decide that don't I um Ellen Well not really so we like to say that we get our money back and therefore we can decide how it's used but the

[00:35:49] government sees it a bit differently it's kind of like the bully so that bully says Yeah it's in my hands so it's not your money it's my money That's that's their thinking and it's really my money that mom gave you to bring to school for me anyway

[00:36:07] Yeah, yeah, yeah, so There's that right But you know the same one we're talking about anything and think about this Ellen you and I bring up all the Folli of this but they're literally having discussions thinking that they're on solid-sound World ground and they're clearly

[00:36:27] Beyond out in the weeds on this thing yeah well Think I think about it this way okay people a lot of the people that describe themselves as conservatives Well obviously yes, the public school system is a socialist system a Marxist system

[00:36:46] That is something we don't want to have we don't want to be a part of that and it's an injustice that we're shaking down for money just to fund it and to

[00:36:55] You know teach things that we disagree with and all that okay. That's I can appreciate that sentiment But then they jump on board with this false solution and they say You know it's in just that it we're shaking down

[00:37:09] But instead of decreasing socialism what the school choice idea does it expands Socialism Well, it's just that that happens let us just participate in the injustice because that'll fix yeah I'm right let's just participate in the spoils then That's really

[00:37:27] So that expands the plunder of our of our wealth and it's just now okay So now you get more people with Like your example of You know people just wanting their piece of the pie It's just they think it's maybe

[00:37:46] They have a better chance of directing it where they would like but there's like Republicans on the vote They're like hey you can't do Ballet harvesting and then they said that for years now. They're like hey we better battle harvest

[00:37:59] We're gonna get beat it this we get about our threat away. Well if it was wrong then it's wrong now how do you justify doing it now? Well there's no other way for us to win Okay, but yeah, exactly

[00:38:10] We want to throw out on the altar of winning the trap is set right? Yeah, trap is that so And I can kind of appreciate their argument in a way

[00:38:22] But at the same time the left out of the argument is controlled argument left out of the argument is Like with with a school choice idea. Why don't we just keep our money or why don't we just get rid of ballot harvesting and you know

[00:38:36] Push well here's what I'm saying for that at the very least If it's really universal choice I choose to stay out of the system entirely and I want you to quit rap in my wallet Please

[00:38:48] That's what I'm saying right is that a fair choice I can make or what? There and well you're really good Not an option If you pay for your own kids to attend private school at your own you know

[00:38:59] Round you can take our government money to do it or you can just Ten your kids to government school or you can in other words they've already laid out the choices because they control the money

[00:39:09] That's what I'm getting at and there's no way really around that that I can think of Eldon Not unless we keep our own money We've got to really have and and if we spend our own money on education keep it

[00:39:23] Then we can decide where it goes but filtering through the government is going to be the idea of our Rights are boiled down to privileges at the whim The discretion of some sort of government bureaucrat That's what it comes down to and so

[00:39:45] I just say folks, you know don't fall for this. This is this is a false solution Don't jump on board with the idea of the vouchers Because This is this is a way of getting more government control over education not less and that means that it's

[00:40:07] Less control over Education for you and your family Plus it doesn't even put it puts an upward It might say pressure on prices rather than downward pressure on prices if you're at why would private schools Lower their tuition costs

[00:40:25] If they know they're gonna get money from the government which people are forced to pay Why would they do that? Of course, they're gonna keep their tuition rates going up federally funded sex education Absent is only programs how much money we spend on that huh?

[00:40:42] Well let Eldon finish this will ask and answer that question And then we got an incredible article over at the new american i want to talk about well do it seconds on your radio

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[00:43:12] We're talking about solutions that's what we do on this radio program. Anyway we're exposing the farce, Elvin Yeah, yeah, it's you know It's not too hard to expose actually on this one, but the thing is people have dug in their heels

[00:43:31] You know that once people are bought in adults are like this we're all prideful Once once you've bought into something it's very difficult to say you know what I never thought of that

[00:43:44] Maybe I didn't get the full story on this maybe I need to look more deeply into this That's not easy to do hard to do yeah, but it needs to be done so it has yes Yeah, it needs to be done

[00:44:01] Sometimes we jump on board with things too quickly We get emotionally involved And so many decisions are based upon emotion And we need to you know take a deep breath and say hmm I wonder If there's something more to this that I'm not seeing

[00:44:28] The only part you might not be seeing is how duped people are about this, Elvin Well the marketing is very very sophisticated You got all these yellow What is it scarves or something you know all this you know

[00:44:49] Slogans with school choice and backpacks and the money follows the child and all these things that are kind of these bumper stickers type slogans And all that works really well For the people that are wanting to just you know Look at the superficial

[00:45:07] Well for the question how much money has been on abs and it's only a vacation and it all depends on how you define it So you can look at it at the state level you can look at it at the federal level

[00:45:16] You can look at it when they talk about you know absidence only is one choice But absidence only until marriage is another statement Anyway, and then they go into all these other programs about this and that they talk about how effective or ineffective they are

[00:45:28] There's a big all debate but it's millions to some say it's over 2.2 billion So my question for you is do you think the abstinence only people that were saying no government education in sex

[00:45:41] And then they got brought to the table where they're like hey, I guess if we can have absinence only We're for it now they add them it's only people are getting millions Perhaps billions of dollars You think they're gonna be like

[00:45:53] Yeah, now we got the opportunity to get rid of it. We're just shutting her down What do you think now they're on the cash and they're gonna keep it going as much as the next guy See that's the problem with school choice It'll fall that same pattern right?

[00:46:06] Yeah, it's true. I mean You look at the history of a public education in the United States What they did is they pitted the the Protestants against the Catholics and They got the Protestants committed or convinced that well You can teach of your Protestant theology

[00:46:27] in the public schools and get rid of the Catholic Theology well eventually it ended up where the secular humanists drove out both the Protestants and the Catholics And then now they have control over what's taught in the public schools So it was really you know, it's It's appealing

[00:46:50] It was sold to people as well. We can get rid of sin Well, what Christian doesn't want to get rid of sin I've been paying attention to church right Through forcing everybody to be educated in these Government schools

[00:47:05] Well, that was the hook but I didn't pan out very well did it But it is then it all comes down to who who whose idea of you know what should be taught? Is forced upon the youth and people are forced to pay for it and all this

[00:47:23] Well really that should be a power that nobody should be And Left with except for parents of their children People are gonna just agree I got a bit of on this since since 1981 the United States government has spent over 2.2 billion dollars on Abbed that it's only programs

[00:47:44] So there you have it It's just in Yeah, billion They don't want to give that up big big big money and those guys aren't gonna back out me like oh yeah We want to shut down they wanted to be poor

[00:47:56] They're into the end of the hill then they got all these They got condone of the reservations as far as I can tell Ellen Yeah, yeah, they they have you know their

[00:48:07] Piece of the pie they want to keep keep that rolling and all these other interests do whether it's that I don't know the contractors that build the schools or You know the people that are

[00:48:21] You know supplying the food for the lunch or whatever they have their pieces of the pie and so it's it's difficult for them to say you know what Maybe we should back away from this

[00:48:33] All right, it's also yeah over at the new American wrote a great article that I want to kind of finish on Go to the new american dot com the check it out john stossel headline says this

[00:48:45] Success in classrooms and he goes on to say government runs schools keep failing It shouldn't surprise us Monopolis rarely serve customers well People call them public schools But government run is much more accurate After all charter schools are available to the public

[00:49:10] Private run supermarkets are available to the public for more hours than the government schools are What do you say to that? Yeah, he makes some very Interesting, I'm sure there's then he points to real solutions right? Yeah, it's always amazing to me how

[00:49:25] Publicans especially have this blind spot when it comes to education Public education they'll rail against socialism and Marxism and communism and you know all these big government things But they have this blind spot when it comes to public education

[00:49:41] Oh, no we got it we got to maintain that well why That's straight up Marxism That's what it is It's it's model it I mean tomorrow marks specifically called for this system Why do we need to defend this to death?

[00:50:04] We need to faith it out why do we want to why do we want to advocate for ways to keep the system going That's what absolutely education does that's what school choice does it continues to deceive people but keep the government at the center of it, right?

[00:50:21] Right, right it's it's still controlled debate and saying you know what Government should be teaching our children Well why have the government shown that they are that is a You know good quality low price type of thing when they teach our children No quite the opposite

[00:50:44] Over and over so why do we keep defending this system? We should we should not be defending it It should be something where we're finally free to educate our children as we wish and also be able to spend our dollars as we wish

[00:51:01] Which would probably be much less let people want to spend more okay? Fine, but you look at what's being spent for student per child in each state You could send your kid to a quite good private school for all that money and get a better education

[00:51:18] By more people problem part of the problem that I see is they they've kind of had this mentality Well, we've already lost the fat lady's son if you can't beat him join them

[00:51:27] Yeah, I don't take the money somebody else will and and we we dilute ourselves on this topic with all kinds of arguments Eldon yeah There's a lot of rationalization that goes on and said people say well if my money's already gone

[00:51:41] I might have spoiled directed to where I'd like it to go or something like that Rather than searching for real solutions, but You know that people are I often scared to take a stand and say you know what we've tried this experimental public education with government running education

[00:52:02] It's a unique thing it throughout history most of humanity in history It's been Not government No one sites it's all type of things for education and this discovery model has proven to not work very well at all

[00:52:21] So why don't we admit that it was a bad idea and back away from it That would be the prayer that would be the hope that's what we advocate for I have eight children

[00:52:30] I've never put a single one of them in government school and I never will and I've only got one kid left with one year I'll have to graduate from home school and private school and I've never taken a government penny for education at all and I never will

[00:52:44] How do you like that Wow, that's impressive Very good set the standard for people and let people know it can be done and you say well Can't be done okay, okay. Well, I'm a blind person So you know Just take it out

[00:52:59] Yeah, my life and do the blind guy He just kids had a read. I'm just now you got me curious Well

[00:53:07] Think about how to read so your wife and you can partner in it. So when they're soon oh there you go early and they don't know the shapes Shapes then you know my wife who can see can keep them teach them the visual shapes

[00:53:20] But once they can bear you read we can just take one page and spend an hour on it and they can spell me everywhere They don't know What are they doing that way? They're working on their spelling They're learning how to read. They're learning how to pronounce

[00:53:36] I can explain the rules as we go You know, hey, why does this say this and what's the rule behind that? So we're doing English We're doing reading but working on spelling and then when they start to read more and more flu

[00:53:48] Then I start to work on how to pause at the right spots and all this kind of stuff and It actually works incredibly well and you want to know where it starts? It starts in the grocery store

[00:53:59] It starts going to the restroom and find in the men's restroom when you're a boy taking that to the bathroom after we eat right It starts with real life education ladies and gentlemen try it cuz it works

[00:54:11] Just saying oh this is redneck radio ladies and gentlemen. We don't have a clue what we're talking about except if you pay attention to study hard You'll come to the conclusion that we're right Elden stall with me ladies and gentlemen the John birch society

[00:54:22] He's the field director in my area contact the field director in your area JBS.org The new american.com John Stossels articles incredible and check out their incredible event coming up in September at jbs.org Speakers in the Elts in laguna California, Elden thank you sir

[00:54:41] Oh thank you so much Sam as well and Look forward to chatting with you again