Radio Show Hour 2 – 03/10/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news the network refused to use, no doubt, continues now. This is the broadcast for March 10th in the year of our Lord, 2025.

[00:00:39] Hour 2 at 2, promoting God, family, country, protecting life, liberty, and property, using the supreme law of the land, the Constitution, and the checks and balances, following the Prince of Peace, rejecting revolution, lessons to Jesus' revolution. Dr. Scott Bradley was with me first hour, doing a phenomenal job. Lowell Nelson, CampaignForLiberty.org, with me second hour. Welcome to the broadcast, sir. My pleasure, Sam. Good to be with you again. Thank you. So much going on. Such little time.

[00:01:07] We've got to rock and roll because we've got a lot to cover. Suddenly, leaving NATO is on the table. Ron Paul, now, great, great column. We talked about this column last week. However, there's a whole lot more as this continues to rumble, and we bring it up because this headline articulates the topic so well, Lowell. Well, it sure does, Sam. It all started when Elon Musk replied, I agree to a tweet that read,

[00:01:36] It's time to leave NATO and the UN. And so Ron Paul writes, Having someone so close to the U.S. president who advocates finally extracting the U.S. from these international organizations is a significant and a very positive shift for the United States. End of quote. So, you know, Ron Paul, as for decades, persuaded the United States to get out of NATO, but nobody listened, basically. I did not have been helping him promote that forever, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:02:07] That's right. As do I. NATO should have been dissolved at the end of the Cold War. Well, it should have never been created, but now we digress. Yeah, true. It stirred up enough trouble to justify its own existence that it had stayed in existence all these years after the end of the Cold War. I mean, it sounds like any other government body, right? They stir up enough trouble to justify their existence,

[00:02:34] and then they continue on spending your money. Ron Paul writes that, First, NATO involved itself in the first Gulf War, and then it decided its mission should be to bomb Serbia to smithereens in the name of human rights. He says, I agree with the late Senator Robert Taft, who argued at the time NATO was formed that we should not join the Atlantic Alliance. Well, end of quote there. Yeah, so Taft was exactly right.

[00:03:04] We should never have joined that alliance. But we did, unfortunately. And Ron continues here. He says it has become much clearer these past few months just how far NATO has shifted away from U.S. interests. Even though the United States funds a whopping 70% of NATO's cost, our own allies, NATO allies, are working against the United States

[00:03:31] as President Trump attempts to pull us back from the brink of war with Russia. End of quote. Well, Sam, I think this is a significant statement. NATO now works against the interests of the United States, and yet the U.S. still funds over two-thirds of NATO's costs. That's terrible. Well, a telephone call between Trump and Putin set the hair on fire among NATO member countries.

[00:04:01] And so while the U.S. and Russia diplomats were meeting in Saudi Arabia to look for a way back from war, our NATO so-called allies held their own summit in Paris to continue the failed war in Ukraine and to criticize the U.S. for working for peace. Even the Secretary General of NATO was there in Paris. And so the message coming out of Paris from NATO is very, very clear.

[00:04:26] We are pushing for more war while you in the United States are pushing for peace. But you've got to keep paying the bills here at NATO, they said. Well, also over the weekend, this is not just two days ago, but eight, nine days ago, Senator Mike Lee from Utah and Representative Thomas Massey from Kentucky, they echoed Elon Musk's sentiment. Senator Lee posted a chart showing how much money,

[00:04:56] the U.S. taxpayer money basically, goes to NATO. And he said, get us out of NATO. And Representative Massey added to Lee's comment saying, NATO is a Cold War relic that needs to be relegated to a talking kiosk at the Smithsonian. Amen to that reality check. Good for them. The other thing that Mike Lee, Senator in Kentucky, Representative Thomas Massey,

[00:05:22] they also introduced last Wednesday legislation to abolish the Federal Reserve. And I commend them for that, too. They're doing a tremendous job. And I don't mean to derail the conversation. I'm just saying, look, if we really were to abolish the Federal Reserve, 90 percent of this foreign aid slash warmongering would go away because there's no money for it. Lowell. And that's why I tie these two together. Yeah, and well that you did. I know that I have written to my congressman about that very bill to get us,

[00:05:52] well, to audit the Fed for sure. That's H.R. 24. We talked about that. And then this new bill, which would end the Fed, right? There's an audit the Fed bill and there's now an end the Fed bill, which is what you just mentioned. And so I need to add that to my list of things to discuss with my congressman. So, yeah, absolutely. Obviously.

[00:06:15] So it turns out that, you know, President Trump has his instinct is to get, you know, an America first agenda. And we don't do that by putting NATO first. we've got to get out of nato let's let's end our support of nato let's get out of of that alliance and uh you know put america first again that's what trump wants to do and he needs congressional

[00:06:43] support to do that because most of the yay who's there in congress are accepting money from the military industrial congressional complex and um which which tends to influence the way they vote on defense spending which is really isn't defense it's military uh hegemony uh throughout the throughout the planet so i want to ring i want to bring this up in credit to donald trump he said hey why are we spending a trillion dollars on the military let's chop that in half and make it 500

[00:07:12] billion i support that 100 i don't think it's enough cutting but hey man it's a serious serious effort in the right direction president trump highlighted that and i agree with him but here's the question that i have okay the failed clown leadership wants to do another cr continuing resolution to get the can down the road to fund the government through september the 30th right

[00:07:36] the 99 page legislation would increase military spending by six billion dollars so if trump wants to chop that in half why are we sending him a bill that increases it by six billion because they're undermining trump at every turn that's why i think musk and lee and and massey and trump and musk and all these people ought to get together steve man and sam bushman and we got to

[00:08:00] absolutely educate the nation on why we got to jettison this continued military industrial complex it's the congressional military industrial complex folks the proof is in the pudding of the funding trump wants to chop it in half these clowns are sending him over a six billion dollar increase there's a disconnect here lull yeah big time disconnect and you're exactly right you know i think uh who was it fdr had these

[00:08:26] fireside chats with the nation i think trump ought to be doing that he should be explaining to the american people uh you know and he has the charisma to do this uh sam i think there'd be at least half the nation would half a country would be listening to him if he would educate us that you know the way you know with fireside chats or whatever he wants to call them but just speak directly to the american people you can put a lot of pressure on these congress critters uh by doing so i think that's

[00:08:54] something he could do you know the bully pulpit they call it uh he could talk behind that boy but get a lot of people on his side draw more pressure on the congress critters and then they wouldn't be so heavily inclined to to vote for these you know heavy spending bills well many people are advocating for what we're talking about it's not just us ladies and gentlemen and thanks to ron paul thanks to mike lee thanks to elan musk thanks to uh massey thanks to hopefully liberty roundtable can be included in that

[00:09:23] group but think about this headline from ron paul suddenly leaving nato is on the table and he advocates for it and then the next columnist writing about this general topic as well says this uh let's hope so lawrence vance lou rockwell.com doubles in on this very thing so it's kind of an answer to the question in a way but yet more detail lol that's right uh he says this quote the

[00:09:47] north atlantic treaty organization that's that's nato was established in 1949 by the north atlantic treaty known as the washington treaty with 12 member countries well since its founding nato has been enlarged 10 times and now has 32 member countries the principle of collective defense is enshrined in

[00:10:10] article 5 of the washington tree uh i'm now going to quote article 5 the parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in europe or north america shall be considered an attack against them all i 100 percent disagree with that i know you do as do i but uh this is what the treaty says folks and so i you know i don't think i'd ever read this article of the treaty so i thought it'd be

[00:10:38] worth our time to to just quote it so attack against one is a is considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree in other words all these members of nato they agree that quote if such an armed attack occurs each of them in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by article 51 of the charter of the united nations will assist the party or

[00:11:05] parties so attacked by taking forthwith individually and in concert with the other parties such action as it deems necessary including the use of armed force to restore and maintain the security of the north atlantic area or really to to guarantee the security of the gang because if you create this block and then you say you're not allowed to join now you've got a cartel gang against anybody who

[00:11:32] is forbidden from joining right so everybody wants to join and be part of the gang is the problem see what we've created folks it's a no-win situation and this uh is a springboard off of the charter of the united nations and so we if if united nations hadn't been around hadn't been invented then nato would not have come to pass either so you you know how

[00:11:57] one bad decision just precipitates another just one right after another uh and uh and that's bad news so what this really means is the united states is now obligated right to come to the defense of countries like albania estonia latvia luxembourg montenegro north macedonia slovenia all of which have armed forces that number less than 10 000 and even iceland which doesn't even have a military

[00:12:25] aside from iceland how many americans even know where these countries are right i mean do you happen to know where slovenia is do you know where montenegro is no i have no idea i don't even yeah i don't know and i know that points to my ignorance i had i freely admit it but part of that problem is that you know what we believe in america and we focus on our lives and our world and our freedoms and you know we kind of let the rest of the world do their thing too you know they want to be left alone we want to be left alone that's fine i don't have to know every country in the world

[00:12:51] right right and why do i have to know that yeah and and so it's just a matter of interest but it's why it's not shouldn't be a matter of necessity and um the thing i like about this column by by lawrence vance is that he goes back to the wisdom of the founding fathers right and he quotes george washington in his farewell address now listen up ladies and gentlemen to this farewell address

[00:13:17] quote i'm sorry to interrupt lol but i want people to really pay attention to this listen carefully to what you hear from the greatest general that the world's ever known here it is he he uh he famously warned against permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world end quote he also said quote the great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial

[00:13:44] relations to have with them as little political connection as possible end of quote and then thomas jefferson comes along and he warns the very same thing quote i am for free commerce with all nations political connection with none and little or no diplomatic establishment and i am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of europe entering that field of slaughter to preserve their

[00:14:12] balance or joining in the confederacy of kings to war against the principles of liberty i have used my best endeavors to keep our country uncommitted in the troubles which affect afflict europe and which

[00:14:25] assail us on every side and since this happy separation our nation has wisely avoided entangling itself in the system of european interests has taken no side between its rival powers attached itself to none of its ever changing confederacies end of quote so sam great great wisdom from the founders here and of course vance concludes his column uh saying this if the

[00:14:55] countries of europe are that are not the countries of europe are that concerned about a non-existent russian threat to our their security then let them band together to fund and maintain nato they shouldn't expect the united states to join with them end of quote sam brilliant quotes important to understand folks that's what your first and third president of the united states doubling down on this thing i don't know that they could be more clear lull and i don't know that uh i don't know any way we could um

[00:15:26] honor them and or protect america than being serious about their counsel are we going to heed their counsel is my question i think we absolutely should now he says let's hope so i want to do more than hope so i want to pray for it i want to work towards it i want to do everything i can to make that happen ladies and gentlemen that's really really really critical what we need is an attitude

[00:15:49] adjustment lol don't we that's what uh james howard kunstler believes another related uh column there at lou rockwell.com and by the way sam there were probably a dozen great columns on on this nato question and i read through them all but then i just picked a couple that brought out some new points that i had never stungled on to uh one of them james kunstler writes quote as europe now flounders impotently

[00:16:18] and wrecks itself america and russia are motivated to avoid being snookered into an unnecessary world war over ukraine mr zelensky is but an anachronistic artifact of the color revolutions that finally sputtered out with joe biden who was himself in the vanguard of a colossal money-grubbing operation

[00:16:42] in that sad sack country i'd also venture to predict that uh that zelensky will before much longer get removed from his position by his own generals ukraine will return to its long-standing status as a borderland that poses no danger to the rest of the world america and russia will be poised to defend what remains of western civ from ambitia china mr trump is correct to avoid getting dragged into

[00:17:11] that we have enough on our own agenda for repairing the damage done to ourselves the past 30 years end of quote so they're just highlighting you know this counselor is just highlighting the fact that he he thinks the lens he's going down very soon and uh ukraine will again return to be a you know a borderland that that really you know we shouldn't be fighting over so i mean there's a lot of pragmatic

[00:17:37] solutions there's a lot of constitutional solutions being ignored here there's a lot of um diplomatic solutions that are being ignored by those currently in power primarily zelensky and and of course the europeans who uh plotted to you know in paris to continue pushing the the war in ukraine and so now we get to a column by paul craig roberts sam where he answers the question which i think this is just

[00:18:06] really an interesting observation he was being asked why is it that european leaders you know some of whom met in paris with nato leadership why in the world do they want to continue the war against russia over ukraine well and so he writes the following sam this is very interesting he says he writes quote perhaps what is going on with europe is that eu governments after sending so much money

[00:18:33] and weapons to ukraine backed by claims that ukraine was winning and would win they want to be able to say that trump sold out ukraine in order to avoid accountability to their own populations in europe they can blame trump for denying ukraine and nato a victory end of quote okay and that's where the lie starts that's where the lie starts because the ukraine cannot win uh and the fact is we should

[00:19:02] have never been involved in that foreign conflict in the first place and the taxpayers of america and europe and everywhere else have been robbed on this altar and now they perpetuate and spin the line try to pin it on donald trump uh and in my opinion what we should do is get out of it entirely now donald wants to be the the guy that resolves it he wants to be the man on the global stage that resolves it i think trump should just simply say we're going to defund it we should have never been in it in the first place and i know a lot of people disagree with me they're like sam if we don't contain

[00:19:30] that it's going to blow up in the whole world look we've been telling you that every they've been telling us that every conflict uh is going to just you know take over the whole world if we don't get involved it isn't true in fact nine times out of ten that lie gets us involved and a minor skirmish could be resolved uh but yet we get in the middle of it and it magnifies and becomes the military industrial complex we fund both sides of it and it never never seems to end that's why we need an attitude adjustment lull we need to basically say hey you know what we don't need to be involved in

[00:19:58] these wars we agree with general george washington we agree with president george washington we agree with president thomas jefferson we agree with taft we agree with ron paul we agree with elon musk we agree with and i can start naming all these authors right um we agree we've got to get out of this lawrence vance writes about it um james howard kunstler over at lou rockwell again writes about it

[00:20:25] um and paul craig roberts chimes in and asks a very critical question to add to this lull well he he's really and and that question is you know why is europe making itself irrelevant right i mean and and so i think he brings out a very important point there they're going to want to shift the blame for this loss of ukraine to trump they don't want to take responsibility for it

[00:20:52] it's that the politicians are so devious fam and and um yeah and they want to be able to to shift the blame they don't want to take responsibility for the failure the so-called failure in ukraine they want to blame it on trump and um and and so you know the good another great observation from roberts uh paul craig roberts the writing there for um for lou rockwell.com is this he he writes quote

[00:21:20] trump sees economic growth as said by opportunity he sees more opportunity in business deals with russia india china and the rest of asia and africa than he sees in europe trump understands that it was sanctions and the weaponization weaponization of the dollar that produced bricks um and the search for an alternative for central bank reserves and international payments to save the dollar's role

[00:21:47] as reserve currency washington needs to stop bullying and trump like putin wants deals that work for everyone not wars in a world in which the dollar is not used as a weapon against other countries bricks is not necessary end of quote and so sam i just think it's so refreshing to hear talk about voluntary exchange again instead of compliance through coercion which is what we've had the last 70

[00:22:14] years right the u.s hegemonically right has forced nations around the world with economic uh uh coercion and military coercion to get you know to go along with whatever the u.s wanted done and that's you know that's like enforcing liberty with a barrel of a gun you just can't do it you have to allow other countries to exercise their liberty and and and so that that's why this is

[00:22:43] so encouraging sam to to think about that wow we actually could get out of the nata we could stop this funding we could i mean stop funding the united nations we could let uh countries be independent and sovereign countries again without being the world's bully uh i just i mean i just thrilled to think of the possibilities um in in this uh you know if if this will really happen sam i sure hope it

[00:23:10] does sam i pray that it does amen couldn't agree more and you got to ask yourself why is europe making itself so irrelevant in this question i think what they're trying to do is you wisely pointed out hey they are trying to say hey um you know we're we're right on this trump's wrong on this they'll never make ground doing that my response to the europeans if they want to basically attack trump my response is hey we've bared the weight um and the funding of this forever why don't we go

[00:23:39] ahead and quit funding it because we don't believe in it you guys double down and believe in it why don't you guys just fund it all and uh we'll jettison the united nations we'll jettison nato we'll jettison all these places right we'll get out of these foreign alliances we'll basically bail right leaving nato leave the u.n leave everything and let them just go ahead and run it and we'll just sit on the sidelines and watch yeah and we'll see how well it goes for them pretty soon their country will be

[00:24:08] blood dried just like we are 36 trillion in debt and not a not a plan to stop it that i can see there's talk to stop it but there's not a real plan in place to stop it at all when we get back lul nelson and yours truly break it on down hard-hitting news at your fingertips we stand with

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[00:25:04] ending the war in ukraine that will be the focus of talks planned for tomorrow the discussions involving secretary of state rubio and high-ranking ukrainian officials being hosted by the saudis marco rubio lands in jeddah tonight ready to press the ukrainians to sign president trump's minerals deal mr zelensky is also in saudi arabia to meet the crown prince but is not expected formally to take part in talks with the americans instead leaving that to his senior officials and that's the bbc's

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[00:30:24] welcome back ladies and gentlemen hi this is lowell nelson riding shotgun with sam bushman your host this morning here on liberty roundtable live um we've been talking about nato getting out of nato giving the united states to exit nato this north atlantic treaty organization that has got us into so much trouble in europe and russia and and uh asia um now everybody's talking about the need to get out

[00:30:51] and along comes david stockman who at the uh whose column is posted at ronpaulinstitute.org now who's david stockman well he was a congressman from michigan in 1976 he joined the reagan white house in 1981 and he served reagan as there as the budget director he was one of the key architects of the reagan revolution

[00:31:15] uh the plan to reduce taxes cut spending and shrink the role of government uh david appears on the tom woods podcast fairly often so i'm really quite familiar with him but i rarely quote his articles or cover his articles here on on liberty roundtable because they're so long one reason they're so long is because they're detailed david stockman is a detail-oriented person he knows the nuts and bolts of the

[00:31:43] federal budget he knows where the cuts ought to be made in other words he knows where the fat is he and and then he talks about cutting the fat 100 of the fat and then he talks about cutting into the flesh you know where it's going to hurt and people would begin to notice the cuts and then he also talks about cutting into the bone you know about hurting uh some really uh you know uh you know social and

[00:32:11] programs and warfare programs that where things would really hurt but he's able to do that i mean he'd be a wonderful asset for doge um and so i hope that doge listens to to him david stockman has a ton of answers but i just wanted to introduce him to your audience be clear he also he also brings the historical kind of context to things as well which which gives you a broader understanding if you read what he has to say that's exactly right for instance as we've been talking about the trouble we got

[00:32:40] ourselves into in uh eastern asia um uh he he talks about how that happened you know the history behind this idea of the domino theory you know if we don't stop the commies in korea then they're going to overrun the continent they'll overrun the world uh the same with uh you know korea and vietnam both of those countries war started because of this so-called domino theory and also a misunderstanding

[00:33:07] of kane of economics you know this keynesian economics that that led to that so there's two or three key myths and misunderstandings that led the united states uh well you know just yeah justified their entry into those wars and you know we got the same thing going on they're trying to spin the propaganda again right now that if we don't stop you know putin from invading ukraine he's going to

[00:33:32] overrun europe yeah yeah right now it's a big lie folks uh big lie and and and anyway so david stockman not only does he give you the historical background and the context for the decisions that were made and and and that are about to be made but he gives you the actual numbers and explains how cuts can be

[00:33:57] made where they can be made and he does it in great detail just so i'm going to hit just a few of the highlights of this column uh it's well worth reading the whole thing it'll take you you know a good 20 minutes to read the whole thing but you'll come away with a wealth of knowledge a wealth of information again by the way before you get started on the numbers this is an example where i talk about the national taxpayers union our dear friend pete sepp and others a great think tank they've partnered

[00:34:24] with people like ron paul and rand paul and and others who have really documented i mean rand paul just came out with how to save a bunch of money elon musk you can put all these people together in a great think tank and come back and say hey we could i don't know why we need to increase the debt ceiling and i don't know why we need to see our resolution by the end of the week why can't we just cut enough to make the budget sail through well yeah exactly right sam uh so first uh off david stockman

[00:34:52] gives four fundamental propositions uh related to getting out of nato number one the federal budget has become a self-fueling fiscal doomsday machine even as boy howdy is that true look at the end of the week you're going to hear all week long by the way propaganda about oh my gosh it's going to be horrible the government's going to shut down you won't even be able to walk to the park anymore it's going to be horrible okay it's a lie it isn't true in fact if they quit playing games and cutting

[00:35:18] things closest to the people first and cut things that are big expenditures that aren't directly related to the people foreign aid is a great place to start uh the military budget's a great place to start and the american people wouldn't feel any of those things in fact if we brought a lot of our troops home the american people might feel a whole lot more independent lol absolutely right secondly his second proposition is that the nation's elephantine warfare state needs to be cut at least

[00:35:46] by 500 billion per year that's half a trillion and by the way that's all fat third the route to be to the end is a return to the no entangling alliance wisdom of the founders which means bringing the empire home closing the 750 u.s bases abroad scuttling much of the u.s navy and army and withdrawing from nato and similar less commitments elsewhere by the way let's be clear we're not even supposed

[00:36:13] to have a standing army for more than two years go look at your constitution people if you don't believe me you're absolutely right sam and lastly uh last proposition here jettison nato requires debunking its origin story and the false claim that it brought peace and security to post-war america when what it actually did was transform washington into the war capital of the world dominated by a panoptic complex of arms merchants neocon warmongers and a vast warfare state

[00:36:44] nomenclature off under the guise the lie of promoting peace lol yeah that's all a big big lie so um i you know so let's get into the numbers here he says on the eve of world war one these are interesting figures by the way um on the eve of world war one the u.s military budget was just 11 billion dollars okay

[00:37:08] that's expressed in in current present day dollars and let me be clear and now it's a trillion dollars and donald wants to chop it in half and he gets my support yeah absolutely right well and that 11 billion amounted to 0.9 percent of gdp okay not even one percent well after wilson plunged us into world war one

[00:37:34] military spending soared as you might expect it and amounted to 194 billion at the war's end that roughly 15 percent of gdp but by 1924 that's about 20 times people yeah 20 times it just ballooned 20 times bigger because of the war okay but by 1924 this is like five years after the end of the war

[00:37:58] 100 percent of troops came home and military spending bottomed out at just 12 billion dollars remember that was only one billion dollars more than in 1914 right so and and and actually it was a 0.8 percent of gdp so as a percentage of gdp we were spending less in 1924 than in 1914 just 10 years

[00:38:25] earlier so we had this huge blip right we ballooned it to spend 20 times more than we had but then we brought it back down to what it was before world war one okay this is important data i have never read this data before sam but this is very illuminating i mean we could we if we did it then we could do it now and and the world doesn't hasn't changed that much in fact with a lot of our technology and

[00:38:52] everything else um i think we could do it easier now than it was to do then lol yeah absolutely now the same thing a similar happiness thing happened that world war ii david stockman goes into that he he talks about military spending skyrocketing when we entered world war ii uh but it dropped from 1.7

[00:39:13] trillion in 1945 to just 125 billion by 1948 this again is in present day dollars and so look at that 1.7 trillion in 45 back down to 125 billion in 48 just three years later this is stunning data sam but the war hawks were not content with that they spun their tale of needing to bulk up

[00:39:43] militarily lest the commies take down country after country right and this is the domino effect that we just mentioned earlier and yet russia was never a threat to the united states following world war ii and nato just laid the groundwork for the spread of a u.s hegemonic regime i mean and and that's and that's what we have seen ever since so you know david stockman goes into great detail in his column

[00:40:07] sam which is long but highly informative but i want to skip toward the end where he outlines our current deterrence this also is really quite interesting talking about our current deterrence the u.s has 3,700 active nuclear warheads of which about 1,800 are operational at any point in time

[00:40:29] in turn these are spread under the seven seas in hardened silos and among a fleet of 66 strategic bombers all beyond the detection or reach of any other nuclear power see that's pretty interesting for instance he says the ohio class nuclear submarines each have 20 missile tubes with each missile carrying an average of four to five warheads that's 90 independently targetable warheads per

[00:40:58] boat at any given time 12 of the 14 ohio class nuclear subs are actively deployed and spread around the oceans of the planet within a firing range of 4 000 miles so at the point of attack that's 1080 deep sea nuclear warheads cruising along the ocean bottom that would need to be identified located and neutralized before any would-be nuclear attacker or blackmailer even gets started even russia's vaunted

[00:41:26] hypersonic missiles couldn't find and take out by surprise the usc-based deterrent and then there are roughly 300 nukes aboard the 66 strategic bombers which are also are not sitting on a single airfield pearl harbor style waiting to be obliterated they're constantly rotating in the air and on the move end of quote well am i happy about all this military firepower well not particularly i'm happy because it's a deterrent

[00:41:56] i'm not happy that it's out there but you know i guess i'm i'm glad that we have this deterrent now russia knows this um north korea knows this china knows this that we have this huge deterrent force out there and um and stockman is making a point and that's why they haven't retaliated already lol exactly so we can get out of nato we can drop the budget we can cut it to half a trillion bucks

[00:42:22] easy that's just a fat and the stockman goes into great detail about all the flesh and the bone that could also be cut and uh it is the thing to do i mean stockman needs to be part of doge ron paul needs to be part of doge let's let's you know get the uh the the people who knows where the cuts can be made let's get them in touch yeah they they need to create a doge board so that you can't just put all the attacks at elon and you can simply say hey you know what bright minds or the here's where the think tanks are leading and

[00:42:51] here's why and look they're making the case to get out now and boy howdy do i support that case big time and i believe if we reduced our budget to you know a half a trillion i'd even like to go lower than that but just say and uh i i think if we brought our troops home i think would actually be more battle military ready for a real need than we are now spread out thin around the globe and and and stockman by the way this this last comment from his article i talked about his cutting

[00:43:20] the fat the flesh and finally the bone he says the core component of america's military security requires only seven percent of today's massive military budget which we know is like 1.4 trillion only seven percent of that is required for america's essential military and what's that seven billion then

[00:43:45] yeah yeah if you say it's a trillion it would be seven billion and we even talked about world war one it was 11 what was it billion um yeah 11 billion or they even had way too they even had way too much then right yeah seven percent of a trillion is going to be 70 billion right right because oh yeah because 10 percent would be 100 billion yeah yeah i'm sorry 70 billion okay so my point is to put that in perspective compared to the way it was before it was like 11 billion now it'd be 70 billion but trump

[00:44:14] wants 500 billion that's way off from a trillion see we've got to really push on this folks there's so much money we could save but what they want to do is they want to save all the money over a 10-year period which means just so you know every con every year there's a new congress a congressional session right every two years there's actually new congressional reps either you retain the same one or you get a new one but it's a new guy every time same guy 10 times new guy each time because it

[00:44:40] could have been somebody else they're newly placed there if you will and you got to think about it that way because that's how we um don't have to push term limits but yet we can have term limits at the same time right just basically say you're here fresh we put you here again you better in this two years do the same job we expect you to do last two years and we need to look at rewarding them every time or you know hey you're gone every time based on the two-year stint right now i'm not pleased with any congressman except for a couple like thomas massey uh or you know a couple of

[00:45:09] senators mike lee rand paul for the most part though i'm not pleased with anybody in congress low even people who i thought would do a great job just take mike kennedy he's my local rep freshly there been there for a couple of months i like the guy i think he's a great guy but man i've called him and asked him to help me so you've got josh holly senator in uh missouri who put a bill together to defend defund planned parenthood so i called him said hey um mike is there uh mike kennedy is there a

[00:45:38] companion bill in the house he said no i said will you create one we'll get back to you haven't heard a word called several times left messages can't get anybody on the phone can't talk to anybody can't get anybody back to me or whatever else okay how pleased am i and this is a no-brainer to defund planned parenthood now he's gonna either vote for or against the budget coming up that i tried to get a companion bill in the house to push this discussion but it's gonna go nowhere lol yeah yeah and i'm

[00:46:07] pushing on mike too um we just need to keep up the pressure i mean he's got a he should be a co-sponsor of audit the fed he should be a co-sponsor of defund the fed or end the fed he should be a co-sponsor of ending our relationship with nato so but but remember politicians respond to pressure so the more people who call them the better the more pressure they feel and they do respond to pressure politicians are so predictable uh maybe we need a whiskey rebellion lol

[00:46:38] that's right i threw this article in here sam to tell in because it's a great lesson for us uh the the great uh whiskey rebellion truth is the name of the column non-compliance resistance and federal retreat because we're told this story when we went to the public government schools and i i swallowed that story hook line and sinker and it's a lie about the risk of rebellion

[00:47:04] and and what really happened is fascinating and so i think michael bolden from the 10th amendment center.com comes out with this uh the true history behind the whiskey rebellion i mean what we were told what we learned in school was that there were some bunch of farmers that didn't want to pay a tax and so they refused to pay the tax and then george washington urged by alexander hamilton personally

[00:47:29] led a massive military force into pennsylvania and crushed the insurrection that's what we learned in school but that's a lie that's a myth and and and and and believing this myth is bad because it suggests that any resistance to federal authority is futile that centralized power cannot be challenged that's the myth in reality the whiskey rebellion was far from a quick federal victory instead

[00:47:56] it was an eight-year saga of mass non-compliance that exposed the federal government's inability to enforce its own laws and eventually repealed the tax wow that's not what i learned in public school but michael bolden walks right through the facts and history here he talks about north carolina where the resistance the whiskey tax was immediate and intense he talks about uh the border counties in

[00:48:25] virginia hotbeds with anti-excise sentiment in fact a tax collector there named william mccleary received a letter warning his property would be destroyed if he didn't resign well he fled the country he fled the county kentucky was the heart of mass resistance resignations among tax officials outpaced new appointments very few willing to enforce the unpopular law and i love this fact sam

[00:48:49] quote for four years kentucky's grand juries refused to bring any charges even in the face of widespread blatantly public non-compliance end of quote i i point that out sam because grand juries have the power if they would simply use the power they have the power not to bring charges and they also have power to bring charges against people who are actual criminals so maybe we could do something like that with irs because

[00:49:19] trump won't get rid of it yeah so uh well so bottom line here of the story sam is that no reputable lawyer wanted to be associated with enforcing the excise tax you want to get run out of town you try enforcing this excise tax on whiskey um and the almost the entire population of kentucky successfully resisted and defied the federal law for eight full years right and so congress backed down they passed a

[00:49:48] law in 1792 that reduced the tax well that wasn't good enough congress took another step backward in 1794 just two years later further easing compliance requirements that didn't do the job so finally in 1802 after you know eight years later congress repealed the tax entirely a clear admission of failure despite public claims of federal power crushing the opposition what lessons can we learn from this uh

[00:50:17] well this story is not about federal dominance it's about successful resistance through non-compliance and nullification this story really isn't even about whiskey at this point i'm not really a fan of whiskey or whatever right but this is about we just want to be left alone well this is about people making their own choices about local autonomy about jurisdictional boundaries i mean the list goes on and

[00:50:43] it's about nullifying now it's all kind of those things right right yeah powerful reminder sam the liberty often hinges not on uh who's in and congress or who's in the legislature or who's the judge but on individuals and communities willing to refuse compliance with unconstitutional or unjust laws

[00:51:05] and that's the key sam you and i both know we would not uh encourage non-compliance with just laws we only encourage non-compliance for unjust laws so if it's not lawful right if it's not in alignment with god's law then it's unjust it's immoral and those are the ones we really need to uh to nullify sam i just want to say about this you know um i'm not really into rebellions

[00:51:35] um and so sadly the victors usually get to to kind of you know write the history right but the fact is in my mind the people that were rebelling was the government when the government literally created this you know belligerent out of control tax or whatever else they did right non-compliance resistance is the answer north carolina set the example on this thing here in north carolina

[00:52:00] resistance to the whiskey rebellion then the tax was immediate intense they said that it would be unenforceable in the frontier and we think that's that turned out to be the facts right yeah um congressman john how do you say his name severe i think so or severe anyway severe probably uh this guy you know he he predicted it and he's right so i don't want to really promote any uh

[00:52:27] out of bounds resistance or breaking the law but at the same time we got to think hey the constitution is sacred but the constitution without the declaration of independence doesn't have a whole lot of validity right you got to put the declaration of independence and the constitution together and look at its holistic reality about free people and about the right to be left alone and about jurisdictional boundaries and about who has what authority and really that's something that people

[00:52:56] need to understand too low speaking of this uh point about the constitution right yeah because power is divided among jurisdictions right the state has its jurisdiction the counties you know the sheriffs in the counties have their jurisdiction and so you don't want to be out there alone man just you know nullifying or non-complying with everything but you get your local sheriff involved and then you then you have some weight to throw around then you have then you have then you have uh real resistance

[00:53:25] yeah and you get your county commission involved or your state legislative bodies involved and you get some of these other branches of government before you know it it becomes a trifecta for solutions we need to remember with the declaration of independence and the constitution working together the reason you can't leave the declaration of independence out is because the declaration of independence documents before god and a candid world that hey we the people have the authority under god

[00:53:52] almighty that's something that is getting lost if we're not careful final word to you lol well and that's right sam i uh just really appreciate the example of these uh framing era patriots who successfully resisted an unconstitutional law and uh and got it repealed you know it took them eight years but they resisted and they got it repealed we can do the same for unconstitutional laws today if

[00:54:18] we would simply you know put some elbow grease into it decide what's important and and go after it so thank you lol gotta nullify now campaign for liberty dot org this broadcast is brought to you by loving liberty dot net our nationally syndicated radio leader loving liberty dot net spread the word get involved share the love and god save our republic