Radio Show Hour 2 – 02/18/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman, the good sheriff. Sheriff Richard Mack on your radio. Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, CSPOA.org. Become a member of the posse today. Last hour, we talked all about shame.

[00:00:43] Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco running for governor. First guy to announce, two years away. Man, he's sure got political aspirations, I'll tell you that. But the Venn Miller case is going to hunt him until the cows come home. We speak truth to power regarding the Venn Miller case last hour. Check it out. This hour, though, starting out with this interesting headline. UPI.com with this story.

[00:01:13] United Press International headline. UN calls for $6 billion to fight what they call famine in war, torn Sudan. There's all kinds of sex crimes in Sudan. It's out of control. War torn. They want $6 billion. Sheriff, $6 billion. The UN wants that kind of money to work in Sudan?

[00:01:41] That's not even one of the real hot spots that we've been talking about, whether it becomes, you know, the South Korea, North Korea discussions, whether it becomes Russia versus the Ukraine, whether it becomes, you know, all these different hot spots. None of that's even in the mix with this one. $6 billion. Yeah, I've asked that before, Sam. What is the United Nations doing about Ukraine-Russia war? You know, you never hear them say anything about them.

[00:02:11] In fact, they could have tried to kick Russia out of the UN or decrease their status in some way or try to put some pressure on them. They invaded Ukraine, you know, not the other way around. But still, Sam, you and I both know that the United Nations is a complete waste of time. In fact, maybe even worse. They create war. They create poverty. They create problems.

[00:02:40] And all they do is ask for money, and you never know where it goes. So who are they asking to fund that, first of all? And secondly, why is it so important to help Sudan when they're not helping some of these countries? Like Haiti? How about Haiti? Well, what about Haiti? What about the Gaza Strip? Donald Trump says, hey, should I just take over the Gaza Strip? The answer is a clear, resounding no. Should we give any money to the UN?

[00:03:08] No, we should back out of the UN immediately is why I bring it up. But Ron Paul asks an interesting related question that Doge should be digging into right now. Here it is. Ron Paul, quote, can we really cut half of the military budget? Ron Paul writes, you bet. And then he goes on and he explains a lot of the things that they've been spending money on that we can just get rid of the waste and probably chop the budget in half. Sheriff?

[00:03:36] Well, Sam, it's just another cog in the wheel because there are so many different facets of the financial corruption of Washington, D.C. Or Congress or even worse.

[00:03:58] And, of course, the Democrats' response is shoot the messenger because we want to keep our spending going. We want to keep these bribes and unconstitutional spending, criminal spending from Washington, D.C. politicians. And when you look back at the past, that same article from Ron Paul brings up during the Reagan administration that a toilet seat cover costs $650.

[00:04:28] Hammers cost $700 and so on and so forth. There was a bunch of corruption within the DOD. And there still is. And so I want these audits that DOGE is doing, Dash Musk is doing. I think he's doing tremendous work. And let's be clear for the record right now.

[00:04:50] Can a senator hire a CPA or a professional audit team to come in and audit their own office? Yes, they can. Of course they can. Of course. And that is what Trump has done. Trump is the CEO. He is the chief executive officer of the federal government. He is the president of the federal government.

[00:05:17] He can unilaterally fire people and change schedules. If he wants you to work a midnight shift, that is up to him. And he can demand it. And he doesn't have to ask permission from anyone. The Supreme Court or any other court cannot tell President Trump what he can or cannot do when he's issuing orders to employees of the federal government. They cannot.

[00:05:45] Are some of them protected employees? Yeah, like FBI agents at the lower level. They might be protected some. However, I would say that he has complete unilateral authority to discipline or fire anybody he wants. And that's just the way it is, civil service notwithstanding. He is the boss of federal employees and the federal government.

[00:06:11] So can he hire Elon Musk to do this? Yes. But he was a volunteer. He doesn't have to pay him anything. So Elon Musk and Trump have tried to get to the bottom of corrupt spending. And all the Democrats can do is say, oh, no, he's a fascist. He's a dictator. That is so stupid. And probably the stupidest comment was AOC, that he picked some dumb billionaire to do all this.

[00:06:39] Probably the most intelligent entrepreneur in the history of our country. But, yeah. Well, and here's my question for all these clowns. Doesn't Trump, and just so you know, I've been insurance licensed and I've been mortgage licensed. So I know a little bit about financial, you know, fiduciary responsibilities and stuff like that. But the president, if you look at the Constitution, one of his roles is to faithfully execute the laws of the United States.

[00:07:05] That would mean if Congress appropriated money for something, Trump has an obligation to make sure that it's spent on that item or not spent at all. In other words, how much of this money is misappropriated or relabeled or spent under not the intention of Congress or that's been in a slush fund and repurposed? Trump has to manage all that according to his constitutional obligations, right? Right. Of course.

[00:07:35] Yeah, he does. And he is the chief executive, the chief executor of the laws and policies for employment or whatever. But every federal employee ultimately answers to President Trump. How much do we spend on the military yearly about? Oh, golly. Isn't it like $800 billion or something crazy? Yeah, I think that's – I was going to say it's just under a trillion. So I'm sure that's correct.

[00:08:07] Yeah. All right. I'm looking it up. How much does – okay. So if we could save half the money, Ron Paul's saying, if it's a trillion dollars a year, we could save, what, $500 billion? Yeah. That's not a small number. No. Yeah. That's the same amount we paid as Planned Parenthood with taxpayer dollars. Yeah. $823 billion. It's almost a trillion dollars.

[00:08:36] And so I'm saying we'd save about half that. I mean, I'm pretty – I'm highly interested in saving that, and especially if it's just on waste and other mismanagement, misspending and stuff like that. I think Trump has an obligation. When I say Trump, I mean and administration and team. They have an obligation to make sure whatever Congress appropriates for something that it's spent properly. $700 for a hammer? I mean, people should be going to prison for even charging the government those kind of prices, right?

[00:09:02] Well, Sam, that's my point on all of the spending stuff and these bribes and the USAID agency and all the money they've given, you know, Chelsea Clinton and many others. I mean, it's thousands and thousands of organizations that have been involved in this. Okay, let's be real clear on this one. New York Times got millions of dollars. Political got millions of dollars from taxpayer money.

[00:09:31] And why aren't people going to jail? People should be – Well, hold on. And why should they get money and I don't get any money? Now, I'm not asking for money. I'm just making a point. Why should I have to fund them with my tax dollars? And then, A, they go ahead and promote Chad Bianco, never mind the truth of the matter, right? Yeah, that's correct, Sam. And I do the – I've asked the same thing on your show. Why don't they fund the CSPOA?

[00:09:57] What difference is it between us and Planned Parenthood? They get $500 billion a year or $500 million, more than half a billion a year, and we get nothing. Well, I've never put in for it, first of all. But these are all political payments. They have no basis in sound government. They're not a government entity. They do not provide a government service. And even if they did, I would question that because it's a private company.

[00:10:27] So if the federal government sees a need to provide some service to people, they need to provide it, not hire a private company to do it for them. Well, we also have to look very clearly about what should they be providing and what's the authority for what. So I want to cut the military budget in half or even more. I want to get rid of the waste there. I think Donald Trump is on firm ground for doing so.

[00:10:53] But there is an issue that I think is really worthy because there's a balance here. You know, the Democrats are afraid of Trump going too far. And I think there's a legitimate concern there they have. And so let's talk about that and manage that in a meaningful way. The headline is called The Myth of Emergency Powers. Andrew Napolitano wrote the article about this on Ron Paul's website, RonPaulInstitute.com or whatever.

[00:11:19] And the question is, does the Constitution allow for the declaration of emergencies and for the use of emergency powers? And clearly the answer is a resounding no. Sheriff, your court case calls it the crisis of the day to make the point. Well, it does.

[00:11:36] And as soon as you said that you had an article about this from Judge Napolitano, I said, finally, we're going to get the existential opinion on this and view. And he's absolutely correct. And not only that, just as you alluded to in my Supreme Court case, Justice Scalia brings it up.

[00:11:59] He said, of course, if there's emergency powers, then we're going to have emergencies every day because government wants more power. And they will do whatever it takes to grab it and steal it. And they have. And we're seeing this with the DOGE evidence. Every day they're coming up with some absolute absurd criminal expenditures.

[00:12:27] These are criminal expenditures, Sam. If I'm bribing someone else to do something, the company that they're bribing is accepting it. Both parties are guilty of a crime. So I'm really glad to hear that Judge Napolitano finally weighed in on this, and he's absolutely correct. And I want to be very clear, ladies and gentlemen. I want to be very, very clear about this.

[00:12:55] I'm not saying President Trump is doing wrong here. I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is that we cannot use emergencies as our reason. What we've got to say, for example, is the president has every right to put a halt to spending, to review spending. He has an obligation to do so. Now, you say, well, what about the separation of powers, Sam? Well, that's exactly what we're talking about.

[00:13:22] So the president has every right not to use emergency powers because they don't exist. It's a myth. But he has every right as the president to say this is a serious issue. And in order for Congress to get time to work on this, I'm going to set the standard. I'm going to start to investigate these expenditures from an auditing point of view. I'm going to stop expenditures that I know clearly are outside of Congress's authority. Congress can't just spend money on anything it wants to.

[00:13:49] If something is unconstitutional or something doesn't have the rule of law behind it or something is misappropriated, Congress can't authorize that. So the president can stop it. Well, here's where the rubber meets the road now. Now, what is happening under President Donald Trump Jr. is a matter of a dramatic draining of the swamp?

[00:14:16] However, radicals may have found a way to stop President Trump in his tracks. Nineteen Democrat state attorneys general submitted a lawsuit against Trump and team and got a radical judge to block. Elon Musk from finding ways to taking action per doge. Well, there's a way to stop this nonsense, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:14:39] During the upcoming Budget Reconciliation Act in March, Congress can eliminate the spending identified by doge. So I support Trump in doing all that he's doing. What we need now is Congress to act. If Congress doesn't act, they'll get away with stopping Trump. It is time for Congress to act. Okay. With upcoming funding being debated in the House and Senate, it gives us the opportunity to completely wipe out this immoral spending.

[00:15:12] We've got to use the CRs, the continuing resolutions, to wipe out this out-of-control spending. We have a narrow opportunity to get the budget cuts passed through Congress. We only need a majority approval to get this done, Sheriff. Congress needs to make permanent and sweeping changes here and back the president. That's what's got to happen. And if not, we need to make them pay dearly at the next poll, Sheriff.

[00:15:40] Well, some other top Democrat strategists have told them that. James Carville, probably the main one. If you're going to continue to be on the wrong side of these things, it's going to cost you. And the Democrat Party is in such disarray right now. They don't know what to do. They don't know what to say. All they are is the resistance party. No matter what the Republicans do, even if it's good and people of the country like it, they have to resist. They have to.

[00:16:09] Politically, they think they have to, which is really ridiculous. If they would take the Fetterman approach, which I've been totally shocked by. He's been fair and honest about all this. And, yeah, there's certain things we should be doing. And finding out what's going on with the finances of America? Absolutely. But I think that they're going to find that the Democrats have been really culpable in all of this. And so they're trying to get in the way of it.

[00:16:35] And then they, of course, can always find a stupid partisan judge that will go along with all of it and say, oh, yeah, I'm going to tell Trump to stop that. He has no authority to tell Trump to do anything. He can. The only thing he can decide on is, is Trump doing something unconstitutional? He can let him know about it. But Trump doesn't necessarily have to do that. We got that lesson from Joe Biden because he lost it to the Supreme Court several times and still ignored them.

[00:17:04] Well, if Trump says, that's really nice that the judge said that, but he's not my boss and he doesn't run this country and he has no authority to tell me to do anything unless I'm doing something illegal or unconstitutional. And I'll run this office however I want because the judge isn't the one that ran for office. I did. And, you know, that's another thing they could say to to that they were saying about Elon Musk.

[00:17:33] He's not elected. Of course not. There's a lot of bureaucrats in Washington, D.C. that are not. So anyway, the whole thing is really stupid. And I think I think if the if the if the Democrats stay hooked on this and just be in the resistance, no matter what, they're really going to be in trouble. And I really thought it was comical that a reporter is following Elizabeth Warren in the halls in the long, long hall in Congress.

[00:18:03] And she's walking down the hall and he's asking her all these questions. Well, don't you want to stop the horrible spending? Don't you want to stop the fraud and the bribes? And all she does, Sam, is keep herself surrounded by staff members who are trying to get the reporter to get out of the way. And she never said a word. She's just smiling and walking along, refusing to answer, won't answer.

[00:18:28] Like she's just a statue and this robot walking down the hallway and just smiling. If she if she can't have her own agenda in front of her or a teleprompter, she can't answer. She can't answer on her feet. She doesn't want to answer. But she knows the things she's been saying are so stupid that she doesn't want to open her mouth and do another Kamala Harris thing and and prove people right that thinks she's a dummy.

[00:18:58] And she doesn't want to open her mouth and prove them correct. And so this whole thing is so bogus, Sam. And we finally have a president who's done more in one month than most presidents have in their entire tenures as president to try to clean up Washington, D.C. Especially every president in our lifetime. Right. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. So we want to restore faith and trust in Washington, D.C., folks.

[00:19:28] And this has been a long time coming. And of course, the Democrats, Elizabeth Warren, especially Pocahontas, wants to hang on to this because it feels so good to not have to report to anybody or be accountable for anything. But it's time for Congress to act, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:19:46] Congress needs to make permanent sweeping changes to zero out the wasteful funding and basically close many of these damaging agencies, ladies and gentlemen. We need to demand Congress and non-essential spending support Doge and kickstart the golden age of America. Okay. We've got to do that. And I don't know any other way to say it.

[00:20:15] And really, President Trump has done tremendous in the last five weeks. Is he perfect? No. Are there concerns that I have? Yes. Like we don't need to take over the Gaza Strip, that kind of stuff. But at the end of the day, Trump's done a marvelous job. What has Congress done? They've been in, what do you want to call it, session or whatever else, since like January the 3rd, Sheriff. And so what is it, six weeks now for them or something like that? Yeah, I think so. What have they accomplished? What have they done?

[00:20:44] They pushed through a couple of President Trump's, you know, people for his administration. They did do the one bill about the border or about, you know, stopping illegal aliens to some degree. The Lincoln-Riley Act or whatever it was. Lincoln-Riley Act. Okay. Other than that, what have they accomplished? What have they done? I keep getting emails from Mike Johnson. He's like, hey, take a poll, Sam. What should we be working on? What should we do? And you don't need to take a poll, Mike.

[00:21:10] What you need to do is pass teeny up and down single subject bills and fund the proper role of government. By the time we get to March, instead of having this big old meltdown and a continuing resolution, why haven't we spent the last month and a half and now we're quickly approaching March, so we're going to be forced to deal with the debt ceiling and everything else, why haven't we been passing little piecemeal bills, little bills that could move us more towards that, hey, we don't need to debate the spending now.

[00:21:40] We've got most of the appropriate funding for the proper role of constitutional government taken care of by now. But what Mike Johnson's done is betrayed Trump and left that for a later discussion. A big, beautiful bill, they call it. It's disaster and it's going to result in failure, Sheriff. Yeah, it is. And, you know, of course, the people's response to Trump wanting to abolish the Department of Education, they scream, of course, Trump is anti-education.

[00:22:10] Trump wants to hurt our kids. But then you show the statistics that America out of the top 40 countries in the world is number 40, but they're number one in spending money per student. And they're number one in promoting DEI policies, the agendas that don't even have anything to do with the proper role of education, right? Of course. And so that's just like the other thing the reporter asked Elizabeth Warren. Aren't you concerned about some of the spending, the problems with spending?

[00:22:38] And, of course, she sits there and smiles and never answers a single question. That's why these resistance people, if you're going to be screaming and hollering and resisting and protesting, you have to be accountable for what you said. And answering questions from the press is how you do that. And, of course, she refuses. And the six or seven people she had surrounding her were trying to block the reporter, of course. And he said, don't put your hands on me.

[00:23:07] And so finally somebody from the press is doing their job, too, Sam. And so that's another strong point in favor of President Trump. This brings up our friend Caroline Levitt doing a phenomenal job. She's been spanking the press left and right. I don't know where Trump got her, but she is fantastic. And I had her on the radio with me a couple of months ago. Man, she is good, Sam. Oh, yeah, she's very good. I commend her. She's for real.

[00:23:36] She's polite and kind, but she won't take your crap. She does a great job. Yeah. Yeah, she is phenomenal. 27 years old and that polished. And wow. She's very articulate. She's very professional. And, yeah, you're absolutely correct to bring her up. She's amazing. Well, there's a report about Trump's first 100 days. It's very good.

[00:24:06] Very glowing, in my opinion. Justifiably so. Congress's first 100 days? I know. I understand all that. I'm just telling you. That's what they're saying. So it's kind of a report card of where he's at towards the first 100 days. And it's very good. My question is this, though. What the heck happened to Congress? Their first whatever days have been, in my opinion, nothing but a clown show. What have they accomplished? All right. Hang tight.

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[00:25:05] America's top diplomat says ending the war in Ukraine will require concessions from all sides. Secretary of State Rubio spoke following today's meeting with his Russian counterpart in Saudi Arabia. Hamas says there will be another hostage release this week. Planning to free six Israeli captives on Saturday. In addition, the bodies of four deceased hostages will be turned over to Israel on Thursday, according to Hamas.

[00:25:29] Turning its attention to the Social Security Administration, President Trump's Department of Government Efficiency. Panel chair Elon Musk says millions in the Social Security database range in age from 100 to 159. Some even older than that. Posting on X, Musk writes, maybe twilight is real. And there are a lot of vampires collecting Social Security. Meanwhile, there's a legal victory for Doge.

[00:25:54] Monday evening, a federal judge declined to block Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency from gaining access to Education Department data on student borrowers. U.S. District Judge Randolph Moss ruled that the University of California Student Association, which brought the lawsuit, had not shown sufficient irreparable harm to receive such immediate relief. Doge has moved rapidly to install employees at federal agencies with the aim of cutting trillions of dollars in government waste. Tasha Stevens reporting.

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[00:30:14] From atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right, back with you live, the good Sheriff Richard Mack. Yours truly, Sam Bushman on your radio. Hope you're all absolutely doing fantastic. There's so much news, so little time to discuss it all. Well, President Trump has every right to control spending.

[00:30:43] But Congress needs to stop this nonsense. Okay? They have got to double down and back President Trump. And if you say we don't have enough of a majority or whatever else, look, the Republicans just need to stick together. And there should be Democrats. There's a huge contingent of Democrats, believe it or not, that are kind of old-style Democrats. They're known as, what, the yellow dog Democrats or whatever. Those are the guys that want to really, really control spending as well. And so that's one thing if we're wise about.

[00:31:08] We can say, listen, set aside your left-right partisan garbage politics stuff and double down on decreasing spending. It's time for Congress to act. But it's time for Congress to make permanent sweeping changes to reduce, reduce, reduce spending. All right. Enough of that. Next article that I found fascinating is in the New York Times, believe it or not. I'm not a fan of the NYT, but they bring up something very interesting.

[00:31:35] You know, Sheriff, you had an argument with a Wired reporter. And you were basically saying, hey, you know what? Sheriffs are backing President Trump in this deportation effort. And then a couple of sheriffs don't like you and me. And so they went against us and said, oh, you know, Mac means nothing. Who cares? No one believes in what Mac has to say. It's not really true. Sheriffs aren't doing that, right? Well, now we have a New York Times article that proves our point beyond a shadow of a doubt. So, Wired reporter, put this in your pipe and smoke it, buddy. Here it is.

[00:32:06] Sheriffs bearing costs of deportation. Eileen Sullivan writes this for the New York Times. And here's what it basically says. The Trump administration is counting on the nation's sheriffs to assist in enforcing its immigration policies. But holding illegals in jails comes with a price tag.

[00:32:28] President Trump and his team are looking to, quote, state and local law enforcement to help them arrest and deport illegals who are in our country without authorization. Many of the sheriffs. I'm sorry. Many of the nation's sheriffs have responded with enthusiasm. They are thrilled to work with the Trump administration. They said, well, wait a minute.

[00:32:58] How does that work when I thought that what Sheriff Mack had to say wasn't valid or whatever? They say they want to once again, quote, have a seat at the table after four years of what they have described as being ignored by the Biden administration. So now you've got the New York Times saying, listen carefully. Many of the nation's sheriffs have responded with enthusiasm. They are thrilled to work with Donald Trump.

[00:33:27] And they want to see at the table. They've been denied. By Joe Biden. I mean, doesn't that vindicate us more than you could possibly imagine with the points that you made with this clown wired reporter? Yeah. Yeah. It is, Sam. And it's great to be vindicated by the New York Times. I'm just saying it's kind of interesting.

[00:33:54] Now, I know they didn't mean to vindicate you, but they literally say, hey, many. Not just a few. I mean, I don't know how many you would call many. But many of the nation's sheriffs are ready to go. They've been denied a seat at the table for so long. They're sick of it. They're happy to work with Trump. And it's not just Sheriff Richard Mack. But then they say this, which I find interesting. But the sheriffs say they need something in return. That is money.

[00:34:18] And they mean lots of it to cover the costs of what it will take to refocus scant resources. On what is inherently a federal responsibility. So they're saying we want to help. We're all about it. But we need the funding because a lot of this is federal responsibility, not ours. We don't have the funding for it. The federal government will have to dedicate substantial resources and able to cover the costs. And that's no secret, many sheriffs say.

[00:34:50] They know that, meaning the federal government knows that. The federal government said Jim Skinner, he's the sheriff in Collin County, Texas. He says they know that. They're aware. Where the money would come from is not yet clear, they say. But the sheriff's role would be part of a larger effort to crack down on immigration violations, all of which will cost a bunch of money.

[00:35:17] Tom Holman has said that mass deportations will cost upwards of, what, $86 billion. And so, you know, we need to talk to the Wired reporter and just say, listen, we're not debating if the sheriff's board for this now. Many of them are. The New York Times admits it. The only question left is where's the funding going to come from? How do we partner on this thing? How do we put together a more meaningful plan than we've got thus far? It's a great question. Great plan.

[00:35:46] But we've got to work on this. While the Trump administration is looking to all state and local law enforcement for help, the country's sheriffs are a logical place to start, says the New York Times. Now, listen, as elected officials, they operate with more autonomy than police chiefs.

[00:36:13] And they control thousands of jails. Sheriff's officers are typically funded through county governments. And for many of them, taking on extra duties is difficult to do financially, even in the good times. This means sheriffs who want to cooperate with the federal government often say they don't have the manpower to spare, but they'd love to be part of it and are looking forward to the opportunity if funding can get done. Now, then they say this.

[00:36:39] Many of the sheriffs, though, are restricted by local laws restricting cooperation with federal immigration enforcement. And then they go on. But all I can tell you is this article is very, very telling of the truth on the matter, right? Yeah, well, remember Sheriff Martinez, Kelly Martinez in San Diego.

[00:36:59] She responded to her board of supervisors, the county commissioners, when they said no resources from the county will aid ICE, Tom Homan, President Trump, in rounding up illegal aliens and immigrant criminals. She said, I don't report to you and you're not my boss and I'll participate however I want.

[00:37:26] Every sheriff in this country could tell their state, their governors, their mayors or anyone else, legislatures included, that you cannot tell me how to do my job. I don't care if you pass legislation. You do not tell me how to do my job. And I can and I will continue to do my job according to my oath of office and the laws of this nation and state. If I have to choose between the two, I will always side with the Constitution.

[00:37:56] And so every bit of that is stuff, everything that you quoted, Sam, from New York Times. And by the way, you need to send me that article. Are the exact points that I've made on your show numerous times, but on probably about 100 different shows the last three months all across this country. Same thing. People wanted to know all across this country. What are sheriffs going to do to help with the deportation? Deportation.

[00:38:23] And I said on every one of them, I don't see how deportation could work without the sheriffs involved. And not only that, I included every sheriff in this country, just about every sheriff, 98 percent of them, run a jail. And so they already have a holding facility to help this happen. Yes, it does take a little bit of money.

[00:38:46] You know, we're talking about feeding every prisoner and that can get the budget strained on the sheriffs at the sheriffs and county levels. But in the meantime, he can still do it. And then hopefully get some reimbursement from ICE or the United States Congress if we can ever get them to do their job. Well, and I just say this. I mean, it puts a reality check on this. Plenty of sheriffs are willing to help, but we're going to have to find funding for this.

[00:39:16] And most of the local sheriffs don't have the funding. So in my mind, we need to create a partnership that makes sense. And people say, well, Sam, you know, we don't want to take federal government money and put, you know, the sheriffs on the dole. I agree. That's something we've got to be very careful of. The difference here is we never want to put local people on the dole or with strings attached financially, especially when it's not the proper role of limited government. But this is a delegated responsibility to the general government. And if they want local support, they cannot force it because they don't have authority.

[00:39:45] But they can offer it and they can put together a plan that makes sense for all these local municipalities, right? Yeah, of course. And it's just part of the process. And most of the sheriffs saying, why do they want to cooperate with ICE? Why do they want to round up the illegal aliens and deport them? Because it's been a huge impact on crime in their jurisdictions. And, of course, the sheriffs are saying they're thrilled.

[00:40:15] Yes, because our job is to keep our people safe and to have a reduction of crime. And so, of course, they want to do that. And that's exactly what they're doing. I agree. And I think it's a great start. And I think this is the clarity that we need to have. And so we need to literally – I mean, I'm not trying to be rude, but we need to put this in this Wired reporter's face a little bit. Because he literally wrote an article claiming, oh, the sheriffs aren't really aboard. Mac's out in the weeds. It's crazy.

[00:40:45] It's not really true. Sheriffs aren't going to help with this. They don't have any reason to help. They don't have any authority to help. And the New York Times takes an absolute 180 different approach. They say sheriffs have much more autonomy than police chiefs. Sheriffs run the jails. Sheriffs are the most logical place to start. What more do you want? Yeah. Just saying. All right.

[00:41:09] Sam, I really want to – I'm actually surprised that New York Times didn't call me for a comment on that. Because they're literally quoting me and what I just said. Virtually, yeah. Yeah. But more power to go. And I bring it up because, you know what, I don't really like a lot of what the New York Times does. But again, you know what, they deserve credit on this one. Because they're literally pointing out something that's critically valuable and true for the solutions regarding America.

[00:41:38] Okay. Many of the sheriffs' nations have responded with enthusiasm. The federal government will have to dedicate substantial resources to this. I mean, Tom Holman said massive deportation is going to cost like $86 billion. Well, all you got to do is defund the U.N. and you got the money, right? Yeah, no kidding, Sam. All right. I want to move to a topic that's dear to our hearts and we're working on this behind the scenes.

[00:42:06] We can't give you all of it, but we can give you enough of it. As you know, Sam Bushman, Sheriff Richard Mack have been absolutely pro-life. We think that the murdering of babies is an abomination that must stop. We spoke out about it on this program. Literally everywhere we go, we speak about this topic. It's one of the most important topics that we've focused on. Well, the latest headline says this. 1,500 to 2,500.

[00:42:35] So 1,500 to 2,500 little babies are murdered every day in abortions. Believe it or not, they say that's 20% of the pregnancies, of all pregnancies in the United States, not counting normal miscarriages or whatever else. So 1,500 to 2,500 a day. And this is a serious problem that we have got to start to speak out against and stop.

[00:43:04] If Doge is going to get anything done, in my opinion, defunding Planned Parenthood or any organization that murders the most innocent among us, the whole purpose of government is to be pro-life, not take life. And we have got to work with churches and nonprofits and pro-life groups and everybody we can. If there's one thing Doge needs to get done, it is to defund murder and abortion. Trump can get it done. Elon Musk can get it done.

[00:43:33] Headline says Elon Musk is going for the head of Planned Parenthood. Going to take him out. I pray he does, and we're going to do all we can to afford this reality. This is serious, folks. And I mentioned back in even 2016 when Trump was running for office, and I said if Trump wins and if the Republicans take control, the first thing you need to do is quadruple down for pro-life. There's nothing more important than that. If you can't protect the lives of the most innocent among us,

[00:44:02] what good is government at all, Sheriff? So this is a key point we need to get done. And we can talk about the target environment is rich for Doge. Yes, but we need a laser-like focus in on defunding murder. Sheriff? Well, of course, I mean, you and I have been very preoccupied working on this. And so far I'm a little bit disappointed in the support that we've gotten from groups that are claiming to be pro-life.

[00:44:31] And I don't know if it's, oh, they read about you and me on the Internet, because you're going to get a lot of horrible stuff, but you need to remember the source, you know, who's attacking us. And the communist groups that have formed in America that want to attack anyone that's defending life, and as you alluded to, life, liberty,

[00:44:58] and the pursuit of happiness, the three basic tenets of our entire country's existence is to protect those three tenets and principles. And so, yes, in a country where our foundation is based on protecting life, then why are people being reluctant to say anything? Martin Luther King said, to say nothing is to support.

[00:45:25] And that's what really worries me about many of the churches in America. They say they're anti-abortion, but when given an opportunity to actually take a stand, many of them are not. And that is what, that's probably what has disappointed me the most. This is an issue, ladies and gentlemen, that I don't really know how we should deal with, because every time, here's what's interesting,

[00:45:53] every time Richard Mack and I think something is super important and we want to go after it, when we reach out to the people who we think would be no-brainers to be part of it, they always have some weird, nuanced reason why they can't be part of it. Oh, we this, oh, we that, oh, we, you know, it's just interesting to me. And pro-life, look, what's more important than pro-life? What's more important than defunding the murder of babies?

[00:46:20] I mean, they call it abortion, but it's really murder of the most innocent among us. We've got to call it what it is. Thou shalt not kill. This is blatant killing. I mean, they even literally deliver partial babies so that they can harvest their organs before they murder and sell them on the open market. That's been proven in court, Sheriff. Yeah, of course. And the government's part of it. Our taxpayers are part of it by force. Of course. And that's so sad.

[00:46:50] And Sam, we've got to do more. And I was at a meeting just a couple of weeks ago with Shane Krauser in the northwest part of Maricopa County. And they actually announced that Sheriff Jerry Sheridan would be appearing there, I think, this week in the same place. But we started talking about this abortion and this abortion issue and Planned Parenthood and funding Planned Parenthood, which is if we defund Planned Parenthood, we're not stopping abortion,

[00:47:19] but we are stopping the forced taxation dollars going there. Taxpayer dollars going to Planned Parenthood, paying for abortions. And Planned Parenthood bragged years ago that they would have wholesale distribution of abortion anywhere for any time, any place, and that the Christians of America would be paying for it. And sure enough, we are. And that should be the first thing to stop.

[00:47:50] Then we'll address the issue of abortion and how we move forward. But almost every state in this union has criminal laws against if you kill or even if you commit an act of manslaughter in a vehicle accident and you're drunk driving, you get charged with manslaughter for the baby within that womb and for the mother. And so we already have laws protecting life in that manner.

[00:48:18] But yet if you want to go and get an abortion because you're embarrassed by not being careful or you just decide you don't want the baby and you don't want to go through it, whatever the excuse is, that needs to be addressed. It's wrong. It's immoral. It's the antithesis of the existence of our constitutional republic.

[00:48:46] And so the destruction that has happened because of this to our society and the indifference that our country and politicians show towards protecting life is absolutely abhorrent and an abomination. And we've got to do something as a people to turn this around. And I don't care if it's just you and me, Sam. I want to continue to move forward with this and do what we're supposed to do.

[00:49:17] I concur a thousand percent. So we're going to be working with churches. We've compiled a list of pro-life organizations. We have over 50 of them. We're going to be reaching out. We're going to be writing an open letter to President Trump, to Dodes, to churches, to Christian groups, to pro-life organizations everywhere to say, hey, we have got to take this seriously. Look, there's no more important issue. If we want God's protection, if we want our land to be healed, it starts with turning to God Almighty and protecting the most innocent among us, doesn't it?

[00:49:46] But is there any more quintessential item that you could say, hey, this item tops that? I can't think of a single one, Sheriff. Yeah, I can't either. And the numerous times that we've had people on where I've asked them, what's the worst thing going on in America? It comes up a lot that our disrespect for the innocence in our country, the disrespect for life,

[00:50:11] and our ridiculous policies of allowing abortion for any time, any place, and sometimes even after birth. So it is, I think it's the scourge on America. I think God's wrath cannot be held back. And if America is going to be great again, America has got to be good.

[00:50:40] And the first thing of being good is protecting life at its most defenseless, innocent stages. And that's this. Anyway, all I can tell you is this is one of the most important issues we're focused on. That doesn't mean we're dropping prison reform or prison, political prisoner issues. We're going to keep on that. We're going to keep on the Second Amendment. We're going to focus on this pro-life issue. I mean, man, we've just got more and more and more to focus on.

[00:51:06] What we really need, Sheriff, is more funding to put more hands on the till, if you will. Yeah, absolutely. I look at what we're trying to do, and maybe we need to really make that an issue and let people know what we're doing. But I really believe we have to be careful how do we use the name CSPOA in this. But I also believe that it would be easy to send this to our membership and say,

[00:51:36] we've always been pro-life. And there's nothing greater that any sheriff could do, any peace officer could do, than protect life at its most innocent and defenseless stages. So we are pro-life, and now we're making it a headline issue for the CSPOA. And we're not going to apologize if somebody gets offended. We're not going to apologize.

[00:52:03] We hope you're not offended because you understand the urgency of taking back America. And the first thing we do when we take back America is we protect life. And the innocence of a baby that has just been born, how that baby cannot survive without the care of a mother and a family, both parents hopefully.

[00:52:28] But the thing of it is, Sam, if the baby needs that type of nurturing outside the womb, it most certainly needs it inside the womb. And I will say this, Sheriff. I think this is really important for people to understand. Anybody who has a nuanced difference from us. So I talked to a group yesterday. They're like, you know, we're focused on the pro-life issue, but we're not really focused on the funding issue. Okay, I don't really get that.

[00:52:56] But what I find interesting is people don't want to touch this. Either one, they think Sam and Mac are too controversial, or maybe two, they think that the topics are too controversial. But we can't think of these as controversial political discussions. We have got to think about these as moral, critical moral issues, that if we ever want America to be great again, right, we're going to be forced to deal with this in a meaningful way. There's just no other ifs, ands, or buts about it.

[00:53:25] You cannot, I don't know how to say this, you cannot separate the moral imperative on this from political issues. You've got to just simply say the moral imperative is ever present in this discussion. Right? Yeah, and I've said a similar thing, Sam. When, look how debased politics has gotten on this issue. They literally, especially Obama, really pushed this. They literally called killing a baby in the womb

[00:53:54] a constitutional right of the mother. They actually used the term constitutional. How absolutely absurd can it be? Anyway, very crazy. Our prayers are for success. And if we want success in America, I'm appealing to President Trump, Elon Musk over at Doge, and everyone else. You have got to defund murder. I'm talking murder medications across borders.

[00:54:24] I'm talking about the selling of baby parts. You've got to shut down that whole criminal, satanic enterprise. And you've got to do it now. For Sheriff Richard Mack, become a member of the CSPOA today. We need you in the posse. CSPOA.org. For yours truly, nationally syndicated by lovingliberty.net. God save the republic. Have a look. Have a look.