Radio Show Hour 2 – 02/12/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Welcome back to Liberty Roundtable Live with your host, the hardest working man in show business, Sam Bushman, and of course myself, Lance Migliaccio from the Big MIG Show. You know, we are live with the news the networks refuse to use.

[00:00:39] And of course, joining us today, we have decorated former U.S. Army Green Beret Jordan Goudreau. He was with us for the first hour, and we are discussing the Department of Justice's prosecution for him orchestrating Operation Gideon. Of course, we're talking about the Makuto Bay incursion, which attempted to remove the Venezuelan dictator, Nicolas Maduro, from power. Jordan Goudreau is a former U.S. Army Special Forces Green Beret and the founder of Silvercorp USA,

[00:01:06] a private security firm specializing in high-risk operations. Jordan, thanks for sticking with us for this second hour, and I'm going to start you off with this. How deeply were officials like Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Gina Haspel, Bill Barr, and Abrams involved in approving or later abandoning this coup attempt? And here's my second part of this question. Did you ever have any reason to believe this operation wasn't fully supported and sanctioned by the U.S. government?

[00:01:34] Let me answer the second question first. First, this is simple. There was never a time when I didn't believe that. I always believed this was sanctioned and ordered by the executive branch, the U.S. government. Nobody had ever come to me and tried to back me off of this. Now, the second answer to the question is this. An operation like this has— Hold on. Before you go to the second one, though, when you say the executive branch, though, that does not necessarily mean Donald Trump, right? It does not.

[00:02:03] I want people to understand that because when most people think, oh, executive approved it, that means Donald did, right? That's not true, and I want to make that clear. Right. Go ahead. Yes, exactly. And, you know, what's more is there is evidence to say that the vice president was the one spearheading this. But let me go back.

[00:02:23] So the second question—the first question you asked, an operation like this will only move forward and will only gain support if it's approved at the national strategic. It has to have visibility at these high levels. And this is—when you asked the last question, Sam, you said, well, how do we know if this was just—if this was—if they knew at all? Well, the reality is this, or if they sabotaged it.

[00:02:49] The way that I knew for a fact that my operation was sabotaged is the CIA, Bill Barr, these guys would have known the strategic importance of General Clifford Alcalá. And so the second that they snatched him off the chessboard, so to speak, they knew it would sabotage my operation.

[00:03:17] They also knew the location of my men because there were CIA assets in the camps. When Elliott Abrams was asked in the Senate subcommittee hearing if—the reporters said there have been reports that there were CIA assets in the camps, Elliott Abrams responds, I'm not able to talk about intelligence matters, as opposed to just saying, no, there were no CIA assets in the camps. And so let me stop you there.

[00:03:43] This is an example where we're using this classified or this, oh, we can't divulge that for whatever reasons wrongfully now. We've crossed the line from defensive, protecting America, America assets, people on the ground, da-da-da, to an offensive. We're going to save our own bacon, or we're going to go up with our own agenda here, and we're going to use this as our cover. Is this accurate? 100% right. Go ahead, sir.

[00:04:07] These agencies, like you said, are using classified information to protect themselves and to cover themselves and to cover their tracks, as opposed to giving the American people what they should have, which is full disclosure. Lance? You know, just as we discussed in that first hour, none of this ever surprises me.

[00:04:33] I think these covert operations have gotten out of hand, and I think the way they've been funded and hidden from the American people is the real problem, right? Because what it's created is this kind of outside network of, you know, deep. I don't even believe that they have full authorization many times from the highest levels. Again, in this operation, I think that Donald Trump probably only had some basic knowledge.

[00:05:00] I think Keith Schiller had all the best intentions in the world. I don't think he was part of the operation. But look what they did with the Russian collusion hoax, Aaron. Well, let me stop you there, Lance, and say this, though. That depends on what Trump does for our friend Jordan. That depends on what Keith does. You know, if we can get this truly to be accountable here and let the heads, you know, fall where they may, whatever you want to say. And I'm talking figuratively, not literally. But look, where does Keith stand now? What will Trump do now?

[00:05:29] So when you find out you've been played, what you've got to do is stick with the truth. And what you've got to do is defend those who are experiencing the brunt of this. And the character of a man, the leadership of a man has to do with extreme ownership, absolute hardcore responsibility. And so when we're talking about betrayal and cover up by U.S. intelligence and government officials, when you're talking about this kind of stuff, you've got to be a leader.

[00:05:58] And when you have the opportunity to say, hold on a minute, this is where whistleblowers really count and need to be protected. This is where Jordan got caught in this crossfire. But now he's coming clean and doing all that he can. The question is, who's with Jordan now, Jordan? Yeah, who's with me? Well, I think. I mean, am I crazy? Am I off base on this or what? No. I just think you've got to know who's going to stand up and who's going to save their own bacon and betray the rest.

[00:06:26] You don't do that if you're a real leader, right? That's a great question. And here's the truth. When my operation went to hell in a handbasket, it happened fast. I'm a soldier. And so I believe that I have to take care of my men. There's two things that matter to a soldier, the mission and the men. That's all that matters to us in the tactical space.

[00:06:50] Now, I guess I could have cut and run and left and let the whole thing have my guys get captured and just leave. I didn't. I chose, planted my feet in, and I faced the fire, and I went on. In a real soldier's mind, that's not an option, is it, sir? No, that's what you do. And I got destroyed for it. They burned me at the stake. The media, the bought and paid for media burned me at the stake, and I was crucified in CNN and in the AP and in all these news outlets.

[00:07:18] But I just wanted my guys back. That's all I wanted because I'm a soldier. And so, you know, you stand there and you take the heat. And so I think what you just said is great. Let's see. Let's see who is going to stand up and say, you know what? Yeah, we misled it. Whatever it was, and that part of it I don't know. All I can do is stand up and tell the truth as I understood it and what was represented to me. So.

[00:07:44] Well, and if there was, for example, something different than we know it to where it's like, hey, there was higher intelligence than we had. Therefore, this was legitimate. What you don't do is sell our guys down the river. That's what you don't do in the process. You find a way to make people whole in spite of the scenario that may have unfolded beyond our understanding or legitimately classified or whatever else. What you don't do is betray your own countrymen over it. That's how we know this is a problem.

[00:08:10] It's kind of like when we find out that, hey, Joe Biden wasn't even, you know, didn't even have enough cognizance to run the country. Well, the person I criticize the most for that is Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House. He knew for a year and he said nothing. Okay, this guy's betraying his country. What the? Hold on a minute. It's one thing if he didn't know. But once we know that he literally admitted on national TV, Mike Johnson said, hey, I met with the president a year ago. I could tell he didn't even know what was going on. He didn't have a clue. Well, what happened then when those guys skipped the primary in the Democratic Party?

[00:08:40] What happened when those clowns literally tried to run him for office the second time? What happened when the media is all saying, oh, this guy's fine. How dare you guys even criticize Mike Johnson knew the whole time and didn't say a word? See, this is the kind of stuff we're talking about, right? Exactly right. Exactly right. You know, the founding fathers said you have a, you know, if Republicans can keep it. Right.

[00:09:02] And to be perfectly honest, I don't understand how people would go into the military knowing that their government will just betray them. And so you saw the recruitment from the last four years was abysmal because of the Biden administration. Soldiers need to understand they need to they need to believe in what they're fighting for.

[00:09:24] And so I guess that's a good dovetail to dovetail right into the law fair, because when I first experienced this, I believe there's a soldier naively that everything like the institution of justice was real. And it was truly where you could get to the heart of something and get the truth out of what happened. Man, I was in for a rude awakening.

[00:09:48] I didn't realize that when I took the oath to the Constitution, the oath that I took to the Constitution was valid. But the absolute destruction of the Constitution, I never understood existed until I was put into the whole justice system. I didn't realize that laws were put in place to degrade and erode the Constitution for the benefit of certain institutions, government institutions. The Constitution's in place to protect the people.

[00:10:15] I fought me and my brothers in the GWAT and soldiers before us. We fought to protect the people through the Constitution because our oath, obviously, is to the Constitution. Well, when I got put in jail, I understood very quickly that your constitutional rights are not what they should be. They have been eroded. They are attacked by prosecutors. They are withheld by judges.

[00:10:43] And so I guess that's the next I think you guys want to talk through. You've got two things here parallel that I think is clear. Law fair is at the heart of it. You're spot on about that. But let's be very clear, and we'll turn it over to Lance. Media manipulation and targeting of Jordan, along with many other people, I might say. They've targeted me. They've targeted Lance. Okay, that media manipulation. Well, we know with USAID they got a bunch of money to betray us all and go against us.

[00:11:09] But add to that media manipulation and targeting entrapment and prosecution to the mix. Lance. You know, for anybody that isn't familiar with this, and you and I are firsthand familiar with this, Sam, the way that we've had people attack us over the years. Of course, I think that just means we're over the target. I think that means we're doing our job. Yes, it does. Yes, sir. But listen, this is a really sophisticated operation, and the average American doesn't really know about it.

[00:11:39] They're not completely familiar with it. They don't recognize because maybe they aren't looking and sifting through the media and the stories as much as we are, but these are controlled narratives. So when you take even this operation, you look at the $1.4 billion in fraud that's been uncovered so far at USAID, and you look at the efforts they made to sabotage Jordan, and, of course, protect in opposite of what the operation was supposed to be, Venezuelan opposition figures.

[00:12:07] You start looking at this manipulation at that bait. But the next level of it is you have to have the press behind you. So you use these resources. You create the narrative, right? You've got this story that may or may not very well be true, but it's got the trappings of the story that they can use. With fake authenticity. Go ahead. Correct, because the best lies in the world are intertwined with shreds of truth. Anybody who goes against it, you demonize and destroy. Go ahead. Of course, right?

[00:12:36] So you start with this, and you get these controlled operations, New York Times, Washington Post, AP, the Daily Beast, you name it. They've all gone after it. You know them all because they've all attacked you. And you think about it. Now, that's when the operation starts. But it starts at a much higher level, and then it gets sifted down to that level of marketing and advertising. You can call it Operation Mockingbird if you want. But it's much more sophisticated than the original CI plan. Yeah, Operation Mockingbird Plus, ladies and gentlemen. It is. It's 2.0.

[00:13:05] So you take that, and now you go to the social media. Nobody expected that online social media would be so useful for this. But, of course, they've taken advantage of it. They've got paid shills online. There's many of them that if they had been told it's time to come out with this is a genuine constitutional crisis. I guarantee you now on social media for the next couple of weeks, if we actually search that term, we're going to see it everywhere. And that's because that's how the operation works. It's the payment process.

[00:13:32] They made fun of us saying we created an echo chamber. That's the lie. They've created an echo chamber of their own making. It's bigger than us so they can flip the script and play games and misdirect and point the finger. But it's classic, classic, this idea that, hey, they're blaming us for what they're doing. Classic projection, Lance. Yeah, and, of course, and that's what they do, right?

[00:13:56] They have to do it because if we're over the target, I imagine after this story, and Jordan and I have been, we've been on a couple of different shows with this story, and I've been promoting it on my social media, I imagine it's not long before they'll come to attack you and I, Sam, that all of a sudden we'll show up in one of these AP articles. And, of course, the big, big show and Liberty Roundtable Live continue to perpetuate the narrative of lies surrounding this operation. I'll just punch back and say let's go ahead and put this in court on national TV then, you clowns.

[00:14:25] Let's have complete transparency. Let's go. Yeah, but they would run from that. Of course. I understand the – let me just pop on this for just a second. I understand that the top search term in Washington, D.C., in the District of Columbia right now is criminal defense attorney. That's the top search right now as of today. So it tells you they're preparing, but this is disgusting what they've done to Jordan. He's a true American patriot. He was hired by the U.S. government for this operation.

[00:14:53] How does the Department of Justice even get involved to prosecute him? Well, and that's the question. The FBI, too. What role did the FBI play in covering up evidence and stuff? It seems like all agencies, all unconstitutional, thug-controlled, overtaken agencies seem to be all pointing their turrets at Jordan. What the heck, Jordan? Well, that's the point. So they need somebody to go down. They need to have these news narratives that came out four years ago.

[00:15:23] They need them to be justified, and they need them to be credible, and the only way they can do that is if I don't push back. And thank God there's guys like you, Sam and Lance, that actually are taking up my fight, otherwise would be in deep trouble. But let's go back to the FBI. Their involvement starts at the very beginning. So there is a strategist. Wait a minute. Stop. Hold on. Hold on. We're talking about the Federal Bureau of Internal Investigation related to your international efforts as a defense contractor?

[00:15:52] Well, I don't even understand the connection. The FBI. You're right, and that's my point is, folks, they're so far out of their lane, it's not even funny, and that's the point. Hopefully, Cash Patel can get to the bottom of that. But this is what I mean. How are they even involved there? There's no logical reason they would be involved, right, Jordan? This is how.

[00:16:11] Okay, so a member of the IC, let's call it the IC, USIC, that's comprised of any agency or military unit that uses intelligence-based operations. Okay, so that includes the DEA, Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, obviously, NSA, and then you've got military units that are PSYOPs, individual special operations units, big army, you know, intel units.

[00:16:39] Now, all of these agencies, there are several, I guess you would call them task forces set up to do certain things in the U.S. government. That would be subsets of operators or agents from each of these entities. Now, the commonality between these groups, and these groups are heavily controlled. This is why I classify information. It's all there. Like, there are rosters of people who, you know, there's a guy who goes down the checklist and said, is this person here, is this person here?

[00:17:08] And you're going to have joints, you know, you'll have a guy from Homeland Security, you'll have a guy from FBI, you may have a special forces guy in there, but you're going to have a bunch of different people. You'll have several fixers in there that are great at lawfare. Yes, that's the key, right? You always have a lawyer. And those lawyers are there for a specific reason. They're there to protect the agencies. They're not there to make sure people are doing the right thing. They're there to protect agencies or units or whatever it is.

[00:17:37] Now, when you take it into a court of law, it's kind of the same thing, right? So, like, for me, in my instance, it's basically, you know, every officer of the court, their job, whether it's written down or not, what they do is they try to hide classified information. They protect agencies and agents because of their affiliation, A, with the government, and because they believe, I guess, that they're doing the right thing. And so it's very hard to get classified information out. It's really difficult.

[00:18:07] It shouldn't be. It should be very simple. If it pertains to the case and it makes something more believable in the case, then it should be disclosed. Yeah, but, Jordan, they can't perpetuate the lie and get away with it if transparency happens. That's the problem. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And so that's the fight, right? So that's – I mean, people think that these entities do not talk. They absolutely talk. And so here's what happens in my case.

[00:18:35] So I was a target of opportunity that the FBI or the CIA or whoever had in their back pocket, somebody in the Biden administration who knew about this event. And then when the run-up to the election was about to happen, they pulled that card out and threw it. And their hope was that I was going to be in jail. I would plead out. It would be another mark against President Trump. And then they would have their little win because, if you remember, they were pulling at all the stops.

[00:19:02] Now, here's a tie-in between the lead FBI agent four years ago who was put on my case was the same – one of the agents who did the Russia collusion hoax against, obviously, Roger Stone and General Flynn. And she's the same person. So what is she doing in the middle district of Florida investigating a guy? Well, she's there because she's built cases like this before against guys like Roger Stone.

[00:19:31] She's built cases like this before against General Flynn. And why did they build cases against those men? To go after President Trump. My case is no different. It's the same thing. It's just, you know, it's a different time and place. And so that's what I've been dealing with. So let's talk about this betrayal and cover up a little bit more because there's details that really matter when people kind of start to ask questions.

[00:19:56] You know, when we talk about entrapment, prosecution, you know, the parallel to this is the U.S. aid scandals, ladies and gentlemen. You know, you got all kinds of money going all kinds of places, domestically, internationally, to all kinds of places where everybody would be like, what on earth? So why was the case against Goudreau reactivated four years later, number one? What political motivators are behind the timing of the prosecution? Is it Trump getting back in office?

[00:20:26] Is that the key? That is absolutely the key. They were the Democrats were pulling at all the stops. Let's find anything we can to drudge up. Let's drudge this old case up. It didn't work for whatever reason. I mean, this is not this is not a widely known case. But the timing is impossible. And my my lawyer even, you know, she said, wow, this is very strange. You know, four and a half years. And the judge in New York said the exact same thing. Why are you prosecuting this guy four and a half years later?

[00:20:58] So because this case has ties to President Trump, it has ties to government agencies. This is why this is why now. Why now? Four and a half years. This is why now. Well, direct ties to Mike Pence, who probably authorized the operation in the first place. What's it? Political payback against the Donald? Well, listen, I think that, you know, he was he was telling and there's there's a lot of messaging between me and his aides.

[00:21:24] They wanted me to meet with the aides wanted me to meet directly with President Trump. I declined on a couple of occasions because that's not how these things, you know, like I I need to give deniability. That's that's my job. That's what I you know, I don't want to be having. I have. In other words, you're trying to be an honorable, honorable American.

[00:21:48] And you're saying, hey, since I'm not privy to all intelligence here, I'm not going to try to run this to ground in a way that betrays others in the middle. That's not my responsibility. There is a chain of command that does deserve respect, regardless of it's being betrayed by others. What we really need is an independent investigation, ladies and gentlemen, into the CIA, FBI, DOJ. What would we find out if we did, sir? You would find out.

[00:22:16] And from what I've been seeing, that's open source on class. It's everything that I'm claiming. I mean, the CIA was working with Lopoldo Lopez's guys, Lester Toledo, George Betancourt. George Betancourt appears in no articles anywhere. He is a CIA asset. The reason he's not in any of these articles that show up about Operation Gideon is because he's protected. So what would we find? What we would find is all these deeper connections.

[00:22:44] I mean, like I said, I have a secret audio file where these individuals, they admit to working with the CIA for many years. Working with the CIA, they bragged me directly about working with the Rendon group with infrastructure attacks in Venezuela. So they have developed a deep relationship with the CIA and other offices. Obviously, the CIA uses companies, shell companies to do their work. So that's what we would find out.

[00:23:14] The point is the CIA has become above the government. It doesn't matter who's in power. None of those things matter. There's an absolute disconnect. And they basically become the shadow government around the world. That's what you'll find if you do an investigation, right? Exactly. These entities are there to facilitate the CIA's will. They can't be held – the feet of these agents, of these companies, these private companies, their feet can't be held to the fire because they're private companies. And there's different laws regulating these companies.

[00:23:43] The CIA is not able to work domestically. They are not able to work against U.S. citizens. But as we know now, ICD-191 doesn't really – I mean, it's just there, I guess. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we need an independent investigation into all these clown organizations that are literally using classified information as their cover as they betray their countrymen. It's an absolute disgrace. It needs to be stopped. We're blowing the whistle on it right here on Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:24:11] For example, if we did an investigation, I'd like to know what evidence would prove that weapons were planted by Colombian intelligence to frame Gaudreau, you and others. We'll come back with that question on our mind, Jordan. You're listening to the one and only Liberty Roundtable Live hard-hitting talk with Lance Meliatto, the big, big man, and yours truly on your radio.

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[00:30:25] Welcome back to Liberty Roundtable Live. Of course, we're here with your host, Sam Bushman. And myself, Lance Migliaccio from the Big Mig Show. You know, this is definitely a story we're digging in. We're diving into a story that if you just joined us, it doesn't even seem believable. It sounds like it's straight out of a Tom Clancy novel. Only this one is real. Decorated former U.S. Army Green Beret Jordan Gurdreau has joined us here. He's been we've been talking about it for the last hour and a half. And I'm blown away by what's being revealed.

[00:30:54] He's facing prosecution by the Department of Justice. Of course, for his alleged role, if you guys are just tuning in to the Makuto Bay incursion, that operation was aimed to remove the Venezuelan dictator, Nicolás Maduro. You know, even now there's a $25 million price by the U.S. government on Maduro's head. But what we're trying to figure out is what really happened here. And of course, what does this mean for U.S. foreign policy and private military operations?

[00:31:19] You know, government contractors, the black ops operation that the U.S. government normally does all the time. It's one of their standard operating procedures. And why is the DOJ pursuing a man once committed to defending the American interests in an event that appears to have been sanctioned and promoted and supported by the U.S. government? Jordan, I know they've been bringing out lots of evidence, and I want to make sure the audience catches some of this.

[00:31:45] What evidence exists to prove that those weapons were planted by Colombian intelligence? I know they wanted to frame you. I know you've spoken many times about this, that there was a difference between green bags and black bags. And I want to make sure that we let the audience really understand about what they've been using to frame you and what really isn't true that's been in the news cycle. Yeah, so let's start with Anna Parenteau wrote a book about this stuff, I guess, a couple of years back.

[00:32:15] Anyways, in her book, she's talking to – she references a source, a Venezuelan source working with Guido administration. And this guy basically says that Colombian intelligence were involved with this whatever – you know, this weapon seizure. Sure. Now, I wasn't there. I don't have a lot of the details on that part of it. But what I have seen, which, again, the government hasn't disclosed any of this yet. They have access to the information. They haven't given it. They haven't given this evidence.

[00:32:45] They're going to hold back, and they've been carefully curating all of this evidence. Yeah, that's what they love to do. A well-curated discovery is one of their top tools, where they only give you the inculpatory evidence, but none of the exculpatory evidence ever gets provided, huh? No, absolutely. And so in this instance, I have seen my co-defendant. She has an ongoing case in Colombia. She's an incredibly brave woman, by the way. She did some incredible things inside Venezuela. She's one of the heroes of this story.

[00:33:13] And so obviously the Colombian president, and he's involved in this also. He needed to get her in jail, but I'll go back to that. So I've seen some of the stuff that she has, and it's in black and white. I mean, it's reports that the bags begin at one color in her apartment, and then they show up after they get seized, and the bags are a completely different color.

[00:33:40] I mean, it's one of those things where it's pretty obvious. And then mysteriously, the driver of the car, he dies of, I guess, mysterious or natural causes or whatever. Yeah, dead men don't talk, sir. Was Hillary Clinton around him anywhere? Was she involved in any operation? Yeah, they don't have Arkansas in Venezuela, at least the ones that they tell you about. No, sir. Exactly.

[00:34:07] And so going back, it's an obvious cover-up because the government knows. Like these prosecutors, they know what the evidence is. They know how one of these CIA assets bragged about shipping guns and talking about infrastructure. Like they have access in place and the ability to export whatever they need to in – whether it's Colombia or Venezuela. It's kind of like Iran-Contra, modern times, huh?

[00:34:36] Right, but they're going to protect – so the CIA are going to go after the good guys. They're going to destroy them to cover their ass, and they have to protect these villains that they've been working with. Obviously, Lester Toledo owns a humanitarian company. He's been siphoning USAID for decades. He's a close associate of Juan Guido. He has a lawsuit in Delaware for over billions of dollars. So these are the people who are involved in this that the CIA are protecting.

[00:35:05] One of the ways they curate the releases and the evidence and the details is with deleted messages, altered testimonies by heavily leaning on witnesses, classified meeting discussion details that you only get part of because it's redacted. What does the timeline of all these manipulations tell about the cover-up?

[00:35:29] Because really that's where I think we can gain ground in terms of the truth if we fill in those holes, if we say, hold on a minute, deleted messages, altered texts, leaning on witnesses. I mean all you've got to do is find the right strings to pull on, and before you know it, they start to scramble if we're good, right? Right. No, absolutely. And so if you look back, I gave up my phone immediately. I had nothing to hide, did nothing illegal.

[00:35:59] They let everybody – when you learn of these other individuals, especially the Venezuelan contingent, the CIA guys, they gave them about a year or so before they came knocking. And when I read the discovery, the first thing is, well, I deleted my messages because I was scared. So you have a bunch of people who are surrounding this, the guys in global governments, the Venezuelan component who have deleted the messages, the guys in D.C.

[00:36:27] who I was liaising with between them and Mike Pence, and everybody's deleted their messages. But here's the other part. One of the aides, one of Mike Pence's aides was drafting an email. Now, this email was basically – this email goes something like, I don't know who he is. The second draft goes something like, well, I met him one time. The third draft goes something like, well, I met him three times, but I had nothing to do with anything. Right?

[00:36:55] And so that's – these are the remnants, the little pieces of evidence that tell the story because I'm just going to tell the truth. It's simple. One of my lawyers, I was in a civil hearing the other day. I'm suing one of these guys, one of these – the contract because he had a promise during those. And my lawyer says to me, well, you're really great on the stand. I said, well, all I have to do is tell the truth. It's not that hard. But these guys are all proffering. They just want –

[00:37:25] Yeah, what they're really doing is they're basically playing the Hillary – or I'm sorry, Bill Clinton thing where – I just don't really recall. I don't remember, Jordan. Right. I'm just not – I can't remember. I deleted those messages. I don't know what happened. I lost my phone. Whatever they got to do to not perjure themselves, they're going to try to do. And at some point, it turns out they seem to be subverting justice on that altar, right? Absolutely.

[00:37:55] And so here's the really crappy thing. A guy like me who soldier fought for the country for two decades, I think, well, the justice system, it's like real and it's going to get the truth. But now I realize that it's not. It's just a bunch of people who are going to take the witness stand and they're just going to say what the prosecutor tells them to say and they're going to be coached by the prosecutor. And I see that in the 302s. I see the coaching process. It's obvious.

[00:38:21] Well, in the cover-up portion of this, I mean, let's face it, destroying text messages or destroying your cell phone or destroying hard drives, this is right out of the Hillary Clinton playbook, right? Bleach bit and a hammer. So let's get rid of the evidence that supports the truth and that would actually prove that Jordan Gaudreau is innocent and didn't commit any of the claims they're making in the DOJ indictments.

[00:38:44] And then let's demonize and destroy in the court of public opinion using the media as our in-bed partner to make sure the narrative goes against him by default, right? Exactly. Exactly. That's it. It's the name of the game. What do you think is going to happen? So did you go to jail over this already? How did this case come back? Give us kind of a thumbnail of kind of that and then where we are now. Yeah, that's the crazy part. So I went and I was in New York City. I get pulled in.

[00:39:13] You know, the whole bunch of dudes in the street come and arrest me. Okay, I go. I get a. Hold on. Start again, Jordan. You're breaking up. Go ahead and try and make sure you're breaking up a bit. Go ahead. Yeah, no switch. So I get arrested in New York. The judge kind of sees through the government's case. It's been four and a half years. The election's coming. He realizes it's a big publicize. It's a case that involves the president of the United States and a lot of government people. So he sees through it.

[00:39:42] He grants my bail. Well, I still I'm still now in jail because they have to transfer me. And the bail was stayed by the Middle District of Florida. The Middle District of Florida, you'll know, because the exact same prosecutorial team that's going after me went after Jeremy Brown. And they joked. By the way, Jeremy needs to be released, right? Right. Exactly. Well, the Middle District, man, but these guys, these guys hate soldiers.

[00:40:11] These prosecutors joke that I would be the third Green Beret that they would put in jail. That's exactly what, you know, some kind of joke. Anyway. Not a very good joke, in my opinion. Not a very good joke. That's what you get for serving your country, sir. But that usually comes from people that have never served their country, that have never done time in the military. And the kind of people that get installed into these positions. And in my opinion, they're the bullies of high school.

[00:40:38] They get in there with a certain amount of power and then they abuse that power, Sam. No question. Go ahead and skip the break. So keep going. So they arrest you. Then you don't have to post bail, but you get out, right? Yeah, barely. I mean, barely. My lawyer said they want to keep you in here. And the bail is interesting. Okay, let's talk to bail. My bail was $2 million. Okay? Now, Patrick Scruggs, one of the prosecutors who built the case on me, it took him three years or whatever.

[00:41:07] He ended up stabbing a guy in Tampa on, you know, Tampa highway. And let me point out a very publicized event that was all over social media, a video with him stabbing the victim over and over and over and over again, Sam. Yeah, but the mainstream press was derelict, right? Yeah, no, they protected him. In their duty. This guy's going to walk on assaulting somebody, Sam. He's going to walk. Yeah, he better not.

[00:41:36] He will. Go ahead. Keep going. Well, his bail was $65,000. His lawyers are now this other guy he stabbed against is in jail. So he'll cut a deal to get out of all of it if this guy gets out of jail. They'll make a deal, and Patrick Scruggs will walk. But his bail for attempted murder, which they – if it was anybody, it would be attempted murder. But because it was a USAG, two-tier justice system, he's in jail.

[00:42:06] It was assault. So if it's you or me, Sam, it's going to be attempted murder for us. But because he's a USAG, it's assault. Anyways. And we're just demonstrating the two classes of people, folks. You know, you've got the Hillary Clintons and clowns, Barack Obamas and whoever. They're all above the law. The rest of us, a different ballgame. Absolutely. So I get out. A good friend of mine, Green Beret, he stands up and says, I will take care of, you know, Jordan.

[00:42:34] The judge didn't want to rule against the New York City judge. And so by the skin of my – you know, hair of my chinny-chin-chin, I got out, and then I started reviewing the discovery. And it was mind-blowing. It was mind-blowing. When I realized – well, so now when I started reviewing the discovery – they don't expect you to get out, by the way. The whole plan of the prosecutors, what my lawyer told me was basically that they wanted me to go in jail and to plead out.

[00:43:03] Yeah, because you can't prepare for your defense once you lose hope and faith, and then they put you in solitary for a while and everything else. They're hoping to break you and have you kind of come out and go, okay, okay, okay, okay, right? In fact, they just did this to Steve Bannon, and now he had to plead guilty to fraud not to go to jail, even though, hey, we can't get out all the evidence in that case either. But that's how they play. Absolutely. And that is not what guys like me fight for.

[00:43:29] If prospective recruits in the Army knew that the justice system was so crooked and so unfair against defendants, they would never even – they'd be like, I'm not doing – why would I fight for this? It's not – in my opinion, it's probably the most corrupt institution in the United States, and it should not be. But for a soldier, it's incredibly disheartened because you expect that it's going to do its job.

[00:43:58] God knows we do, like the military does its job. We go and we fight. I expect that the courts do their jobs, and they actually bring about law and truth, and let's get the truth. It's not that. That is absolutely not true. I justified in court several months ago, and the judge literally kicked the jury out, said, Sam, you can't tell the whole truth like that. I said, I thought you swore me in to tell the whole truth. Sam, you're understanding the whole truth and ours are not the same.

[00:44:26] Brings back in the jury and says, don't listen to a word this guy says. Can you believe this? Okay, that really happened to me, people. So when Jordan says this, it's absolutely double-down reality check. So you got out. You're preparing for your defense. You realize it's a scandal. They wanted just to shut you down and have you cop a plea. You're not doing that because you believe that you're honorable. Your oath to the Constitution matters. Your job is critical, and you want to be true to that and true to the people that worked with you in this project. Now what happens? Where are we now? Wow.

[00:44:55] Now we're just trying to get evidence. I guess the trial is going to take a while to get all this. We'll see. We'll see what the judge's hands. I mean, we have a ton of classified information that we're requesting. We can't even get through just the regular discovery, never mind the classified information. I mean, they won't even give us just regular discovery that they have. They've been withholding it. They won't give it to us. So that's where we're at, just fighting it. Do you think Donald is going to give you a pardon?

[00:45:25] I don't know him. I'm not sure. Well, and we don't want to admit any guilt because there's no guilt to admit. That's part of the other problem with some of the pardons and stuff that are happening here. But there's movies made about this stuff, believe it or not, even, that can kind of catch people up further. Right, Jordan? Wow. Yeah, there's – I don't – it's not my place to talk about it because it's – but yeah, there's a documentary that was made by Neon. They're a well-known distributor.

[00:45:52] It doesn't have a place yet, but it went to Toronto Film Festival. There's another large project that I – that's in the works that was just told me – to me yesterday that is pretty mind-blowing. I don't want to talk about it. Obviously, I'm not a part of – you know, I would give my life rights and whatnot, but that's somebody – it's, you know. Lance, why don't you jump in really quick and tell people about these projects. The reason why is because it's really going to tell the other side of the story.

[00:46:18] The mainstream press in bed with the government betrayers have told their side for years now, right? Now it's time for us to tell the real tale of truth. Now is the time for truth-tellers to stand up, for whistleblowers to call a count. And I believe your story along with hundreds of others could culminate into a class action against all these criminals. That's really where we need to go. Lance? Yeah, and I think it's always good – we have to have independent parties like documentarians to tell these stories because at the end of the day, it's just like, you know, alt media, right?

[00:46:48] The investigative journalism that now the deep state is so in fear of that they want to ban us and suspend us on every single platform. They want to stifle our voices. But I think this documentary is really going to expose some of the really dark underbelly of what happened with this operation. And that's why I think it's exciting that somebody has taken the time to do it. And I think it's an opportunity to clear the story and put out the actual information. Now as far as Donald Trump, yeah, I hope he figures this is out there.

[00:47:18] Jordan is working on a report right now that I'm going to try to get to Kash Patel and others. And of course Jordan's been telling the same story. The great thing about the truth is it's easy. He's been doing it on multiple platforms, getting out there. And I've checked even before I started to support Jordan in trying to really help him with what they're doing to him. I looked around. I couldn't find anything that was in conflict with what he presented, at least from valid sources. Of course, mainstream media had a bunch of garbage out there that I don't ever buy into.

[00:47:45] But when you start looking at the credible sources and the information that's going on in this court case, everything matches up. So I think this documentary is going to do the same thing and it's going to do a great job of exposing the actual story for what it is. Now it's called A Hall of Mirrors, right? Correct. A Hall of Mirrors, ladies and gentlemen, which is going to lay this out. There's also Men of War. Is that another film? Right. So Men of War is the documentary. The upcoming untitled, I'm not sure what they're going to call that.

[00:48:13] But Men of War is the documentary. Like I said, it did very well in Toronto. It premiered when I was in jail. So I haven't seen it, but it's very well received. And obviously, this is a left artistic community who is watching it. And the overwhelming message back to the creators and the producer of the film is,

[00:48:38] wow, this guy really, I didn't want to like him. I don't typically like guys like this, but he is incredibly likable and tried to do a good thing. And the government burned him at the stake. What's the liberal that started exposing vaccines? What's his name? Lance, his name slips my mind right this second. He's a liberal and he's exposing the vaccine scandal. Oh, you mean RFK? No.

[00:49:09] I'll have to find it. My point is, he's a filmmaker too. Oh, Ryan Madda. No, no, no. Anyway, he basically stood up and said, look, I was a liberal, but when they went too far, I just couldn't take it anymore. And the truth has to mean something. Anyway, I've interviewed him on the radio several times. I'll look up his name if I can find it. But he's basically gone against the vaccines and told the truth about a lot of this kind of stuff. Anyway, he's an American hero too.

[00:49:35] And what you're saying is this left-right paradigm lie is getting obliterated with these films, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. People just want to be free. You know, they want to know that they can trust their institutions, which right now they cannot. I believe the president is doing everything he can to change that, which is hope, right? I mean, people want hope. People want to believe they're in their institutions, that they're actually trying to protect Americans, not destroy Americans. I think people are desperate for honesty, Sam.

[00:50:04] You know, we've dealt with it for so long, the dishonesty of our executive branch of government. I think they're at the point. And I think what, you know, and Jen Gadion was the director on this film. I think, you know, she spent four years creating it. And she's just trying to provide what I think people want, which is the, you know, the honest story and the truth. They don't, you know, people no longer trust mainstream media. And I don't care. You know, even the far left has decided that who do you really go to for the truth? And I don't think there's anybody.

[00:50:33] The American public is desperate for that. And I think it's proven by just the mandate they gave Donald Trump in this new administration for his round two. Yeah, absolutely. And I know for Jen's part, she is being harassed by the prosecutors. The prosecutors have threatened to put her in jail. They have, they're trying to seize her footage from this film. I don't know.

[00:51:02] This stuff is more like stuff that happens in Nazi Germany or, you know, China or Russia and communist countries, not the United States. Well, and that's what we really got to say. The reason for all this is because they want communism in the region. We started out at the first hour talking about the Monroe Doctrine, talking about saying, hey, we've got a viewpoint that's liberty minded, free market oriented, et cetera, et cetera. Communism wants to destroy all that.

[00:51:28] This whole battle is about the communists in the deep state or the shadow government around the world making their play to stop anything good that could possibly happen as we protect the United States of America. That's really the bottom line with this thing, right, Jordan? Absolutely. I mean, look at the geopolitics of South America after this operation.

[00:51:50] After this operation was sabotaged, all of a sudden the, you know, the Argentine, the trees between Argentina and like the trade between Argentina and China starts ramping up. Brazil, member of the BRICS nation, precursor to probably military alliance. China has a ton of mining and trade deals with China. And so the region and obviously President Bolsonaro leads and now you've got somebody in there who's on the left.

[00:52:19] You have second, third order effects that happened just because of this operation and dominoes fell. And so now Donald, you know, President Trump is in a position where he has to try to reassemble and realign these countries. To a more democracy based system. So it's, I mean, it was a brilliant move by the CIA to sabotage this operation because it had. All right.

[00:52:48] Mickey Willis, Plandemic is who I was thinking about, by the way, gentlemen. Oh, yeah. Mickey Willis. That's right. Anyway, sorry for the derailment. Bottom line is, do you think you're going to see truth on this or do you think that the system is so corrupt we'll never get to the bottom of it? Jordan? I think if it's up to the courts, there's no way. I think if it's up to, if, you know, people push really, push hard enough, maybe Pam Bonney pushes hard enough, then yes, absolutely. But I think the middle district of Florida is going to try to protect themselves and cover their tracks.

[00:53:16] The FBI, CIA, they're trying to protect themselves. At some point, though, ladies and gentlemen, let me explain this. You create a moral hazard. You do this to private contractors. You do this to military men that have served their country to the best of their ability and kept their oaths of office. And you betray them. You will create a moral hazard in the country. The greatest military in the world will be undermined to the extent where nobody will want to serve and no one will have the willingness to take on anything on behalf of the greatest, freest country on the face of the earth.

[00:53:44] Communism will take over with that undermining if we allow it. Jordan, your final thoughts on that? No, I just, you know, I just want to give a shout out to, you know, Gendation, Men of War. And Lance and you, Sam, for just supporting me and Big Migs show and your show, Sam. Thanks a lot. I really appreciate the support. God bless you, sir. Keep us posted on things as they unfold. We shall follow this story, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, Jordan. Thank you, Sam.

[00:54:13] Lance, final thoughts from you. 20 seconds. Listen, God Country family, we've got to get the honest truth out there. And the way to do it is to listen to Liberty Roundtable Live and the Big Migs show on Rumble. That's how we do it. Truth Telling Talk Radio, ladies and gentlemen, I'm Sam Bushman. This is the one and only Liberty Roundtable Live hard-hitting talk at your fingertips. Spread the word, share the love, and God save the Republic of the United States of America.