Radio Show Hour 2 – 02/03/2025

[00:00:12] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Back with you live, ladies and gentlemen, Sam Bushman on your radio hard-hitting news. The network refused to use, no doubt, continues now. This is Hour 202. This is the broadcast for February the 3rd in the year of our Lord, 2025. And the goal always is to promote God, family, and country, protect life, liberty, and property,

[00:00:42] reject revolution unless it's a Jesus revolution. Then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace, celebrating the checks and balances that made America great and can do it again if we'd just adhere. We talked last hour in detail with Dr. Scott Bradley, and I was mentioning how the problem that I have with the tariffs that Trump is putting in place is they're being weaponized. Okay, the income tax has been weaponized, too. That's a whole other topic. My headline on that is the federal income tax,

[00:01:08] an insider political weapon used by Washington thugs since the 16th Amendment criminally and unconstitutionally passed back in 1913. Okay, tariffs on Canada and Mexico, Trump's putting them in place. You know what? Those three countries, China, Mexico, United States, account for more a third of the products that are coming into the United States right now. It's huge. But Mr. Trump issues the executive order under what I'm calling pretended legislation.

[00:01:39] The law he's using to make that happen by executive order. First off, executive orders are completely bogus. But in addition, it's pretended legislation. Why? Because they created the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. Folks, it's unconstitutional for Congress to turn their authority over to the President of the United States. Okay, if you change law, make law, that's constitutionally only in the legislative body, not the executive branch.

[00:02:04] And to add insult to injury, we pretend it's all legal and appropriate by executive order, by fiat, by pretend legislation. Okay, Donald, you've got to stop. Well, anyway, Canada and Mexico have already signaled possible retaliation. Now, that gets bad. But let me throw this out for you just for your understanding. I told you that what happens in the marketplace when you weaponize tariffs is you create all kinds of mischief, all kinds of moral hazard. Okay?

[00:02:32] The moral hazard right now is businesses don't know how to respond, they don't know how to react. Every business must comply. There's thousands of products and how to apply the tariffs and make sure that you comply and this and that. It's so complicated. How do you make a profit? You're bringing in containers from China right now. The law changes before it hits our port and boom. Boom. It's a whole different, what they call cost of goods, a whole different reality of a landed cost, a whole, okay? And this is creating turmoil and confusion in the market.

[00:03:01] I'm involved in consulting with these companies so I know. Now, listen carefully to what I just got at the top of the hour, whatever you want to say. Before the show started, in the middle of the show, second hour starts and I get this headline. Ready? U.S. tariffs on Mexico to be paused for a month, Donald Trump says. Well, that gives a little bit of relief for people. But will they really go into effect in a month or not? We don't know. This is what I mean. He's so fickle in his changes.

[00:03:29] Now, I'm not trying to attack the president. I think Donald's done a lot of good and I love him for the good that he's done. But at the same time, I've got to say, you just can't do this. How do businesses comply with that? How do businesses adapt and deal with that? And how much change is going to happen before the month ends, where people are going to import a ton of stuff and all to supposedly avoid the tariffs and get enough inventory to handle the weather and the negotiations? And I'm telling you right now, it's business whiplash. Anyway, Lowell Nelson's with me.

[00:04:00] CampaignforLiberty.org. Your quick thoughts on that, then a caller, then we've got a bunch of topics there. Welcome. Well, thank you, Sam. Good to be with you. I wasn't aware of this Emergency Economic Powers Act until you mentioned it, Sam, but I did look it up. It says it's a United States federal law authorizing the president to regulate international commerce

[00:04:22] after declaring a national emergency in response to an unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States. The act was signed by President Jimmy Carter, December 1977. So it's been around a long time. But, Sam, do you know what this unusual or extraordinary threat to the United States is?

[00:04:50] Yeah, they say drugs and illegals coming into the country is the big deal, and we need our partners to cooperate to solve that. And I agree with the emergency. I agree with the problem. What I don't agree with is that there are special emergency powers that can be given to one branch of government at the expense of the other branch. You can't mix up the separations of powers like that. The Supreme Law of the Land articulates who has what responsibilities, and this absolutely obliterates that is my problem.

[00:05:14] Yeah, I remember that in the 1800s, the Congress passed the Tariff of Abominations in 1828, which precipitated a lot of angst among the southern states, and actually precipitated the war of northern aggression because the southern states did not want their stuff taxed at a higher rate than goods going into the northern states. And that was done by Congress, not by the president.

[00:05:43] And so I think you're right that tariffs should be set by Congress, and I don't think the Constitution allows Congress to delegate their responsibility to the president. You know, they did it with a war-making power, basically. No, they don't have authority to do that. And if you read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers and get it broken down, the Founding Fathers were specific about that. There's just simply no authority. And that's the problem is I support tariffs, but I don't support them being abused and misused and wrongfully implemented.

[00:06:12] I don't support the president changing and making law straight from the Oval Office or the executive branch. I don't support it. I do support tariffs, and if we really have an emergency, hey, you can put a temporary tariff on and then say I'm going to Congress to get this correct if you need to that, if it's that big of an emergency. Or you can go to Congress and go to the American people and make your case and say we really need you to drop everything else and work on this because it's a vital emergency. See, I support all those things. What I don't support, though, is to use this clown show grab of power by Carter

[00:06:39] to go ahead in a modern day and manipulate under this idea of emergency. So they say that he expanded his emergency powers under this, that he started out saying there was an emergency on the first day. Well, how far can it be expanded would be the next question. And we just go down a sad hill of destruction if we're not really careful. Let's take a quick call from Mike from Alaska. Mike, go be quick, sir. Good morning, gentlemen. Taking of our land is linked to this.

[00:07:07] It's directly linked to our resources being held back from us. It started with Alan Cranston. He started the land grab with the SR-71 desert grab, and then Feinstein and Boxer expanded it. I wanted to know, listen to these numbers real quick. I only need 30 seconds. The military base has $27 million. National Forest, $193 million. National Monuments, $15.5 million. Green New Deal, $100 million.

[00:07:34] Wild refugees, wilderness refugees, $150 million. National Parks, $85 million acres. Almost $600 million acres stolen from us without congressional acts. Like these last two months. And the congressional, hold on, just to be clear, I agree with you 100%, but the congressional acts don't give any greater authority. The Congress doesn't have authority to steal land either. So even so, it's completely unconstitutional. They've weaponized the land use against us,

[00:08:03] and we've criminally allowed it to occur, sir. And should it stop? Without question. Yes. But when we have politicians like, I remember McCarthy said, oh, the Navy, China Lake, they're flying over this area. Let's just take it out. Let's just add 25,000 acres here. Daryl Issa, the same way. They're both land theft, land thieving pigs. I can't stand them. But ever since they shut the forest down, now they shut down fishing. They shut down hunting.

[00:08:34] I told the hunters this. They're coming for you. You know, the fishing gamers? They were all la-di-da, conserve, protect. Now they're done. They're almost done hunting in California. So they're taking everything. Did Trump reverse the illegal monuments? No. Should he? Absolutely. Last time he was in power, he came to Utah and made a big old fanfare that he reduced the size and scope of some of that. But we never got rid of it.

[00:09:01] To me, the issue isn't how big these land grabs are. To me, the issue is the authority. You don't have the authority to do the land grab in the first place. So how big it is. It's kind of like, how much can you steal from Sam Bushman's bank account? Well, if it's under a million dollars, is it fine? And if it's over a million dollars, you can't do that. See, that's the debate we're playing, right? What they want to do is say, we can steal land. The only question now is how much, Mike. Right. And you know what? Let me tell you guys something. We built the Alcan Highway.

[00:09:29] And you know they will not let Americans sue Canada right now. If you've had a ticket or a DUI or anything, registration or anything, you know, they call their misdemeanors mischievousness. They sugarcoat everything up there. But down here, if you have a parking ticket that hasn't been paid, they will not let you use our highway that we built. I am disgusted with Canada all the way back to P-U-P-A-R.

[00:09:58] I can't take it. We need our highway back. Let's get that highway back with no passport required to go on our highway. Well, you're right on so many fronts. We could take hours discussing this. I'm going to let you fly, Mike, and let our co-host respond to this because I think you're spot on. Lowell Nelson, what do you say? I think he's bringing up valid points. Absolutely valid.

[00:10:27] Again, another example of irrigation of power by, you know, the president. It happens so many times. And Congress is just willing to give up their power to the president, to the executive, and he's abusing it and abusing that power. All right, let's skip the break. Sorry, go ahead, Lowell. Yeah, he doesn't have the power rightfully, and the states did not give him the power,

[00:10:55] did not grant him the power in their constitution. And Congress is just complicit because they're probably in the tank on these land grabs, right? They probably get a lot of money from lobbyists, probably fill their campaign coffers because of what they're doing and the way they're going about it. It's just sickening. And we need better people in Congress from all states. We really do, Sam. Amen.

[00:11:23] And we need states to stand up and exercise their sovereignty and say no more. We need governors with backbone. We need county clerks with backbone. We need sheriffs with backbone, right? We just need an overall increase in backbone among all public officials at all levels, Sam. Yes, you're right about that. And all I can say about this is we've got a lot to work on, people.

[00:11:51] And the problem is there's just so many things to work on, it's just impossible to even keep your arms around them all. But I want to switch to a column that Ron... Go ahead. Yeah, it's a target-rich environment, as they say, Sam. I hear that. Wow. And that's why I want to switch to Ron Paul's incredible column. He wants to talk about education. And, boy, is he spot on. Let's start there, Lowell. Well, very good, Sam. His most recent email to me, Sam, he wrote this.

[00:12:19] Quote, the U.S. Department of Education is failing. The nation's report card released last Wednesday shows American school children are not learning more. I knew it and you knew it. But now the press is reporting it. According to one news report, struggling students just posted their worst reading scores in over 30 years. Results from what's known as the nation's report card were released on Wednesday showing that students are falling further behind in reading. End of quote.

[00:12:48] That's how he started his email there, Sam. And then he goes on and talks about even the Department of Education admits its failure. Quote, the U.S. Department of Education says the results are heartbreaking and reflect an education system that is failing students despite billions of dollars in annual funding and billions spent on federal pandemic relief. End of quote. And, of course, these facts simply lead us to a question, Sam. What are we going to do about it?

[00:13:15] You know, about this tremendous failure of our education system? Well, Ron suggests that we end FedEd. I agree. Now, this is a movement, I don't know, 10, 20, 30 years ago. I don't know if you remember this, Sam, but there was a book written called Remove FedEd or Stop FedEd, something like that. And I just remember FedEd was right big prominent on the cover of the book.

[00:13:45] This department, the Department of Education, was created only 50 years ago, folks, 1970s. And yet the lamestream media wants you to believe that your children would be illiterate if it weren't for the Department of Education. So not true, right? I mean, the children grew up literate before the 1970s, right? Dr. Paul writes this.

[00:14:10] He says, quote, if you've ever wondered why bad schools cost so much, the answer is looking you right in the face. The federal government is in charge. Whether it's failing Common Core standards or forcing Washington, D.C., bureaucrats politically correct ideas of morality on local school districts nationwide, Americans are more fed up with federal education than I've ever seen, end of quote.

[00:14:33] And so it turns out, Sam, that U.S. Representative Thomas Massey reintroduced his bill to end FedEd just last week. It's H.R. 899. That's 899. H.R. 999, I'm sorry, H.R. 899 is a simple bill, Sam. It contains one sentence, quote, the Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2026, end of quote. How about that, Sam?

[00:15:03] A bill that you can read in less than five seconds and you can understand in a split second. I'm urging you and, I mean, our listening audience members or anyone who's listening, please encourage your U.S. House Rep to co-sponsor and support H.R. 899. I agree 100%, ladies and gentlemen. H.R. 899, end FedEd.

[00:15:32] I support it 100%, but here's the problem. I submit to you that the Republicans are all talk. And I don't think, even though the Department of Education literally admits its failure now, I don't really see that they're going to end government education. They may even pretend to end it. They may even shut it down, but they will take key components of it and move it to other governmental departments. Write it down. Remember who told you first.

[00:15:59] And many of those other departments that they'll put these, quote, line items in will be more hostile, more abusive than even the education department. Just take mental health for children. Oh, man, I've got to put that under the World Health Organization. By the way, that's coming back, even though Trump says he's getting out of it. It'll come back. You watch. Write it down. Okay. Or, you know, the National Institutes of Health, NIH or whatever. I'm telling you right now. And if it's under that, then they'll take a broader brush downstream and say,

[00:16:28] hey, we have authority to do this and this and this and this and this. You've got to be eternally vigilant, ladies and gentlemen. Do I support HR 99 and Fed Ed? Absolutely. But I don't see any move to get it done. All I see right now is talk. So Ron Paul says truth in education. Boy, howdy, do we need it. And boy, do we need it fast. Lowell. Absolutely right, Sam. And that leads us to the next really great article. I'm calling this a companion article, Lowell.

[00:16:59] Yes, it is. A great companion. And it's responsive to your comment earlier about the solution, right, to the problem. Because this email from Iron County News is a piece written by someone who calls himself a liberty advocate and is really, really good. I think he's spot on on this. Quote, education is one of the most misunderstood and manipulated aspects of human development. Many people equate education with schooling,

[00:17:27] believing that degrees and diplomas signify intelligence, wisdom, and preparedness for life. However, true education transcends structured classrooms and government-mandated curriculums. It involves the development of character, the ability to think critically, and the lifelong pursuit of knowledge. End of the quote. So this article, Sam, explores. It goes into why education is confusing for many people.

[00:17:53] You know, why the modern system fails to cultivate real thinkers and how individuals can reclaim the true purpose of learning. Right? So this initial confusion between education and schooling, they're simply not the same. Here's Mark Twain who said, he said, I've never let schooling interfere with my education. Obviously, to him, schooling is attending a formal classroom situation,

[00:18:19] while education is learning, you know, what goes on inside his head and in his heart. In fact, the liberty advocate defines education as, quote, a lifelong pursuit of wisdom, knowledge, and personal development. It requires curiosity, self-motivation, and a willingness to challenge existing ideas. End of quote. He also defines schooling, by the way, as, quote, the process of attending an institution,

[00:18:47] memorizing information, and being graded on performance. It is largely standardized, designed for mass consumption, and focuses on compliance rather than independent thought. He writes further that, quote, modern schooling systems often focus on indoctrination rather than inspiration, conditioning students to accept information without questioning it.

[00:19:13] Governments and corporations benefit from this model as it produces obedient workers rather than independent thinkers. End of quote. You know, and I must say in the long run, Sam, that a country without independent thinkers will never innovate much of anything at all. This became clear to me when I was listening to Alvin Gould talk about conformist practices in China.

[00:19:40] He says there, you know, the children are not allowed to think freely, and so there is precious little entrepreneurial spirit there. You know, if you're raised in an environment where you are publicly shamed for thinking outside the box, then your entrepreneurial spirit is going to be crushed, and you'll grow up, and you'll just want to be a robot.

[00:20:07] You'll want to conform, which is why their progress, I'm talking about in China, their progress in technology depends more on the practice, I'm sorry, depends on the purchase or the theft of technology from America than on the development of technology in China, right? And so any country, I'm not, it doesn't matter, China, any country in the world, I don't care what country you talk about, any country that suppresses independent thought

[00:20:37] will eventually suffer the same outcome that North Korea is suffering, that communist China is suffering, that Cuba is suffering. They just don't innovate. They don't have the entrepreneurial spirit. They don't have the businessmen. They don't have the spirit of innovation in that country. And so the only way they can compete technologically is either to purchase that technology from countries

[00:21:03] who do lots of innovation or steal that technology from such countries. So that was kind of a major digression away from what the Liberty Advocate was writing, but I just thought that was an important point to make, that if you want entrepreneurial activity and innovation, then you need to allow for creativity among our children in their education.

[00:21:29] And some of the greatest innovators have never even graduated high school. And he mentions this in his article, The Liberty Advocate does. He says many parents and students assume that acquiring a diploma means they're educated, but a certificate does not equate to wisdom. Some of history's most brilliant minds, like Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, and Steve Jobs,

[00:21:55] thrived because they pursued self-directed learning, not because they followed a rigid curriculum. End of quote. See, Albert Einstein said, quote, education is not the learning of facts. It's rather the training of the mind to think. End of quote. End of quote. And, you know, as I thought about that quote from Albert Einstein, Sam, I was thinking about my own university experience. And I think the value, you know, I went to BYU.

[00:22:25] I think the value of my going there was not in learning facts and formulas and equations, but in my ability to solve problems, right? I employ problem-solving skills every day in my work at a software company. And I don't resort to memorize facts or memorize formulas, right? I resort to my own problem-solving ability, my own creativity. That's what I rely on.

[00:22:54] And that was the value of my university experience. The piece of paper, you know, doesn't mean anything. But, boy, the wealth of information, I mean, the wealth of experience that I got going through that university experience is worth a ton. Yeah, and I want to remind everyone, Jesus Christ didn't have a single degree. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and he's the most influential person ever lived on the planet. So, yeah.

[00:23:22] And the most really, though, I mean, he stumped all the educated people. He went to the temple. He stumped every single one of them every time they tried to trap him over and over and over and over. Mm-hmm. To the point where even, you know, Pontius Pilate said, I find no fault in this man. I mean, he literally schooled every single one of them, and he had not a single degree. Let's just be clear about that and kind of highlight. This is critical. The problem with the current propaganda system disguised as the education system in my mind, Lowell Nelson, is this.

[00:23:52] Look, education systems prioritize memorization over comprehension. Students are trained to pass tests rather than to understand the meaning behind complicated subjects. The result is we have a complaint. People that obey, and they look towards external authorities for answers, not with their own internal guidance by God and knowledge. That's the problem. When we come back, Lowell Nelson continues to break things down just for you.

[00:24:21] He is our Utah State Coordinator for CampaignForLiberty.org. RonPaulInstitute.org. Check them out. They're full of incredible educational guidance. Speaking of education. Hang tight. More in seconds. Sam and Lowell on your radio.

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[00:25:05] Following a phone call with President Trump, Mexico's president says U.S. tariffs on her country, which were to take effect tomorrow, are being put on hold for one month. Claudia Scheinbaum also says Mexico will dispatch some 10,000 troops to help secure the border with the U.S. President Trump acknowledges the tariffs aimed at cracking down on the flow of deadly drugs and illegal aliens into the U.S. could cause some pain for Americans.

[00:25:32] With tariffs against Canada, Mexico, and China taking effect this week, the emerging trade war could lead to higher prices. The president admitted that Americans could feel some pain in the short term, but he claimed it will all be worth the price that must be paid. He repeatedly bashed Joe Biden for high inflation, and now the Trump tariffs threaten to raise the price of cars, gasoline, clothes, toys, and avocados. Greg Clogston, Washington.

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[00:30:14] From atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to Liberty Roundtable Live. I am Lowell Nelson, co-hosting with your host this morning, Sam Bushman here. And we've been talking about education, how important it is. It is the most powerful tool for societal change, right?

[00:30:43] It can be used for control, as it is used in communist China, or it can be used to liberate us. Hopefully, that's happening here in America. But truly, we are burdened in America with our current education system. There are a few, right, maybe 5%, 10% of our population who do, you know, homeschool and self-directed learning and education. And that is awesome. We need to expand that.

[00:31:11] When people are truly educated, right, then they're able to think independently. You can question authority. You can recognize manipulation. And you can seek truth beyond propaganda. And so, really, what are we to do? Well, we must continue learning our whole lives. That's our mandate, right? In fact, we love to do that just naturally. We love to learn. That's born into us. We just love to learn, whether it's reading or experiencing.

[00:31:39] Or, you know, we might not be out building something in our garage or in our carpenter shop or something like that. That's a great learning experience. We might be welding. We might be talking with people and learning. But no matter what we do, this love for learning must be cultivated within ourselves and within our children, a thirst for learning.

[00:32:06] We must be familiar with classic literature, philosophy, and history. We must develop critical thinking skills, logic skills. We've got to question mainstream narratives and seek alternative perspectives. And, you know, we support homeschools, support co-ops, get out of the public schools, these government indoctrination camps. And, of course, we must develop character in ourselves and in our children, right?

[00:32:36] Because true education, as David O'Macay said, true education does not consist merely in the acquiring of a few facts, but in the development of character, end of quote. So let's teach our children how to think, not what to think, right? Government schools, they want to teach them what to think. And we instead should be helping our children know how to think, and that is to think critically, to question authority,

[00:33:03] recognize manipulation when it comes, and always be seeking the truth, ever having a thirst for knowledge, a thirst for wisdom, and a thirst for learning. I believe that's the real answer to our problem, Sam. And, Lola, it's important to understand that facts are facts, but facts out of context are manipulated. Propaganda, even though they may have a fact embedded, the story is a lie. And I bring that up because all facts are not equal either.

[00:33:32] All knowledge is not equal. The knowledge of God, family, and country is probably some of the most important knowledge you will ever have. Okay? The knowledge of God, your relationship to him, what he wants you to do, understanding that he's the author of your liberty. Keeping his commandments brings blessings. The turning your back on his commandments brings nothing but turmoil and trouble and eventual destruction. Okay? We need to understand that. The God-ordained traditional family, the fundamental leader of society, the knowledge about the family,

[00:34:02] and what a proper family is, and the safety and the stability and the prosperity that that brings. Okay? These knowledge points are greater than almost all other knowledge things you can look at. When I say almost, because, I mean, some things overlap. But at the end of the day, if you promote God, family, country, protect life, liberty, and property, I mean, those six words really highlight what knowledge is most important. If you don't have property, you don't have the ability to prosper. You can't pursue happiness.

[00:34:30] If you don't have, okay, it's all fundamental to your liberty. And religious liberty is at the top of that stack, the cornerstone of that heap, if you will. You've got to understand these things. And all facts are not equal. All information is not that important. We see thousands of stories every day, and I only bring to you, you know, 5, 10, 15, 20 stories every day with the radio and the videos that I'm doing and everything else. Okay? I try to pick out the things that matter the most. And I try to let all the rest just, you know, it's like sifting wheat.

[00:34:59] I try to bring to you the best stuff. And that's why Lowell's on your radio. I digress a little bit, Lowell, but I think it's important to really understand that principle as well. Yeah, it reminds me of a biblical verse, ever learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth. Right? And so, yeah, I totally agree, Sam. There are some things that are trivial, right? Now, Trivial Pursuit, for example, or Jeopardy! is a fun game to play. Right?

[00:35:25] But it's not something you want to devote your life to because it's just trivial knowledge, facts and figures. And so, yeah, you might learn lots and lots and lots by playing those games. But what does it really matter? I mean, you know, never learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth. Well, what we attempt to do here on Liberty Roundtable, and I so appreciate what you do, Sam, is that we try to get at the fundamental issues.

[00:35:52] And so in every news story that Sam brings up, there is a gem, a principle embedded somewhere in that news story, the reason why he brings it up, to help us learn, help us recognize truth when it's before our face. And so I really appreciate that, Sam, and that's exactly what we need to do is seek for wisdom and true knowledge, not just trivial facts and fun information.

[00:36:19] Wisdom is properly applied knowledge, ladies and gentlemen. Wisdom is properly applied knowledge. It's knowledge that has faith component in it. It has the sixth sense in it. It has the Holy Ghost and revelatory guidance in it. It has the proper application of knowledge. It's true wisdom, ladies and gentlemen. And anyway, I just wanted to really get that out because I hope that we focus on the things that matter most to you as well. We don't care about getting a huge audience.

[00:36:46] We care about getting a dedicated audience, an audience that will actually apply the things that we talk about, embrace the principles. We're preparing a people for Christ to return is who we are and what we do. That's our goal, our mission on the radio. That's why we talk about God, family, and country so much. And I know it isn't, you know, as popular as other topics, you know, like the Grammys and the Super Bowl coming up. But I'm telling you that the critical discussion points we have here truly will help us prepare people for the Savior to return.

[00:37:16] And that's our quest. That's our goal. Speaking of that, the Tulsi Gabbard hearings are quite fascinating to say the least, Lowell. Boy, they held my attention last week, Sam. I really enjoyed it. It was a two-and-a-half-hour hearing, and I went through the whole thing. In fact, I replayed certain parts of it. I was fascinated by how Tulsi answered the very pointed questions.

[00:37:42] It was interesting to hear the perspectives of the senators on the Senate Intelligence Committee as they asked her. Each of them had five minutes. They could ask anything they wanted during the five minutes. They had a two-and-a-half-hour public session, and then they went into closed session where they discussed, you know, questions and details that are not public, right? And so, you know, most of those questions, Sam, were quite hostile to Tulsi Gabbard.

[00:38:11] By the way, she is a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve, and I think all of them thanked her for her service, you know, to the country, which I thought was nice and civil. But after thanking her for her service, then they just really, you know, drove home these dagger-like questions, trying to get her to, you know, to stumble, I guess, because a lot of them don't want to confirm her.

[00:38:40] I suppose they have a slim majority of Republicans on that committee, but even some of the Republicans were stabbing at her in ways that really, you know, made you doubt that they were very sincere in their questions. There are some who doubted the depth of her experience with the intelligence community. Some doubted her sincerity. Even some doubted her loyalty to the U.S. government. Pretty incredible.

[00:39:07] I mean, Tulsi Gabbard is President Trump's nominee to serve as the Director of National Intelligence. That would mean, Sam, that there would be 18 intelligence agencies that would be reporting their information to her and to her office, and her job would be then to put that information together in a daily brief for the President, for President Trump.

[00:39:32] Well, she pledged that she would ensure that politics, biases, and personal views were checked at the door, you know, should she be confirmed. See, and I reject that notion. My personal views will never be checked at the door. Okay, excellent. But should she say that, you know? No, she shouldn't. I agree.

[00:39:57] Unless she intends to do that, then that's a disgrace on the office that she holds and on the Constitution because she's sworn to uphold the supreme law of the land. So if her views align with the supreme law of the land, she should never back away from those. And so, no, you should never say that because it isn't true. And if you do, you might violate your oath to the Constitution. Because if you say I check my views at the door and your views are the same as the Constitution, then you've got to jettison those too, right?

[00:40:25] Oh, no, Sam, I can uphold the Constitution even though that's my view, but I'll check my view at the door but uphold the Constitution. Now we're just playing games with words. We're getting to be a slippery politician is all we're saying there, right? Go ahead and skip a break. Go ahead, Lowell. Yeah, and that's kind of the feeling I had. You know, I felt like she compromised some of what made me admire her, you know,

[00:40:48] switching parties and taking the Democrats to task and also her stubborn refusal to take, you know, to support additional U.S. wars. I mean, those are some of the reasons why I liked her. Yeah, so here's my response and here's how I think she should have responded. We're not discussing my personal views. We're talking about the oath of office, ladies and gentlemen. And absolutely, I will carry out my oath of office to a T.

[00:41:18] Your darn rights, I will. And we're not talking about my views, okay? If I think you're ugly, that isn't important, okay? We're not talking about me and my views. We're talking about the supreme law of the land, and I'm telling you right now that I will absolutely have fidelity to my oath. Next. Excellent. Excellent. So, Sam, let me jump now to just bring up a point that Andrew Napoli brought up in his 2013 column because it fits so well right here.

[00:41:48] That is, he said that Edward Snowden took two oaths. The first oath was to maintain the secrets of the U.S. regime, right? Basically, be a spy and don't reveal the contents of whatever you learn, right? That was the first oath. It was really to the spying apparatus of the U.S. regime.

[00:42:16] It was to keep secret the classified materials to which he would be exposed in his work as a spy. And his second oath was to uphold the Constitution. Now, Napolitano claims that, you know, he believes that as Snowden began working with the NSA, he came to the realization that he could not comply with both oaths, right?

[00:42:39] He realized that by keeping secret what he learned, he was keeping the American public in the dark about what his government is doing outside the Constitution in order to control the public, right? And so let's bring that back now to the Tulsi Gabbard confirmation hearing, right? Tulsi has sworn an oath, and she said this during the hearing over eight times.

[00:43:01] She has sworn an oath to the U.S. Constitution, and she would continue to have complete fidelity to the U.S. Constitution if she were confirmed as Director of National Intelligence. But what about this other oath that you take to the spy apparatus, right? I mean, Snowden did what he did because the U.S. regime was violating the privacy of U.S. citizens, right? The NSA was spying on Americans, and that's what Snowden revealed.

[00:43:31] And so he broke the lesser oath in order to keep the greater oath to the U.S. Constitution. Now, let me stop you there because I disagree with that 100%. Okay, yeah. Let me tell you why. I don't believe he broke his lesser oath. They, who created a conflicting oath scenario for him, broke their oaths. He kept his own because if there was something secret to the United States that legitimately had a legitimate reason for classifying

[00:43:59] or for withholding from the public for safety or security reasons, that is in conjunction with the oath of office. That doesn't break that. It's when they created two oaths that oppose each other, they broke their oaths. So he did not break his oath at all. In fact, he kept his oath to the supreme law of the land. And if there's an oath that conflicts with that, it's not an oath. It's pretend oathing, if you will. It's bogus. It's a lie. Okay, so I'll give you an example. If I swear to uphold the Constitution and protect us from enemies foreign and domestic,

[00:44:27] then you come back and say, Sam, I want you to take $10 billion and you made a note to keep quiet about this and you're going to do this, this, and this. No, if those things are unconstitutional, my oath is to uphold them. Now, I still kept my oath to hold secrets that were congruent with the oath. I still kept that. I didn't break anything. You forced me to keep my supreme law of the land oath.

[00:44:53] What the real halt of the con game is, is this other oath that you manipulated against the supreme law of the land. You war criminals created a conflict. And in my opinion, Stoughton's an American hero and he chose the better part. And he kept both of his oaths. They're the ones that broke the oath. I know that sounds a little crazy for people to understand, but you got to realize, when they have you keep secrets that actually protect and uphold the supreme law of the land, you can keep that oath. And he did.

[00:45:22] When they create destructive, conflicting reasons to keep an oath, when you call a halt to that and blow the whistle, you are not breaking an oath. In fact, you're being true to both oaths in the real sense. And those who created the conflict are the ones that broke their oaths. I know that sounds weird, but think about it for a second, Lowell. He did not break any oath to anybody. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, I like that. I like that very much.

[00:45:52] You know, and I think back like Nathan Hale. He served as a spy for George Washington, right? Now, he was maybe America's first spy. Who knows? But he had secrets. And as long as he did nothing that violated the Constitution, he kept his oath to both.

[00:46:16] And of course, I think he was true to his oath to the Constitution and to George Washington, right? I mean, but if he had revealed secrets to an enemy that put his own countrymen in jeopardy, then he would have been a traitor, I guess. And if the secrets were congruent with his oath to the supreme law of the land, we'll hold it and protect it from enemies born and domestic, we have no issue.

[00:46:44] When they create disagreement or internal turmoil where you cannot keep one oath but the other, then you're forced to choose. And when he chose, he chose the supreme law of the land, rightly so. And when he rightly chose that, he did not break his oath. Neither of them. Yeah, cool. Yeah, yeah. You cannot. Okay, what if I said, hey, your oath is to the Constitution. Now, just so you know, I'm going to swear you to secrecy. I'm going to murder all these people.

[00:47:10] And you've got to keep both these oaths because you won't let anybody know that these murders are classified. No, you've got to blow the whistle and say, wait a minute. You don't have any authority outside of the Constitution to murder these people. I'm going to blow the whistle on that because you're acting outside of the scope of our oaths. See, do you get who's breaking the oath here? It's critical to understand this fundamental. This is where education separates from indoctrination, ladies and gentlemen. I'm telling you right now, Snowden didn't break either oath, and I call him an American hero.

[00:47:38] And where's Trump to get this guy to safety immediately? Well, let's go back to the Reuters reporters that were killed by that helicopter. And Bradley Manning exposed that, right? Gave to WikiLeaks that video of the helicopter about the U.S. helicopter just shooting civilians on the ground, right? And so that's just what you said, Sam. There's no way to protect that. What are you talking about?

[00:48:08] That's crazy. Well, yeah, yeah. And so that is a secret that Bradley Manning exposed. And so everybody calls him, well, her, I guess now. It's a dude. I'm going with who he is. Okay. Bradley Manning, he exposed that. And so that's an example of him being true to his oath to the U.S. Constitution, not his oath about keeping that stuff secret. We do not have an oath to uphold secret combinations, ladies and gentlemen. That's not true.

[00:48:38] We do have an oath to protect America and support the Constitution and protect from foreign enemies and domestic. And when you create an oath that conflicts with the supreme law of the land and try to hold somebody to it in a secret combination, they need to be exposed. You're keeping your oath. They broke the oath and got called on the carpet, and they don't like it. Yeah, yeah. And so that's how I wish Gabbard had answered those questions. Yeah, just so you know, I supported Gabbard. I met Gabbard in person. I have my photo taken with her.

[00:49:07] And I was going to support her for this. But when she decided that she was going to go back on this, oh, what is the thing she changed her mind on? It's the... The sexual 702. Yeah, the 702. When she first was against that, I supported her. Now she says she's okay with it, and I say she's gone rogue. You can't be okay with that and be fine. You're upholding a secret combination that violates your oath. You tell me how 702 upholds the supreme law of our land and protects the American people from government. It does not.

[00:49:38] No, it does not. And if you agree to that, it tells me that you're willing to take that secret combination oath above the Constitution oath. I can't tolerate it. Won't do it. Don't believe in it. Stand against it. Sorry, Tulsi. You blew it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, could any... You know, taking the high road, what you just said, speaking in the manner that you just spoke about,

[00:50:03] keeping the U.S. Constitution paramount, could she have, you know, taken that road, taken that direction, could she still win the approval of that committee, do you think, Sam? That is a debate I don't know. And it depends on how criminal the secret combinations are and how much our representatives are willing to stand up. But again, we the people have a responsibility. If they reject Tulsi because she stood correctly on this and said, I reject 702, it's unconstitutional. George Bush shouldn't have done it.

[00:50:33] He's a criminal for doing it. Why we gave him a pass then, I don't know. But he won't get a pass under my watch. Or, you know, the future people won't get a pass under my watch. She would have stood tall even if she did lose that confirmation. She would have her honor, sir. Yeah. Yeah. So I think you're right. Based on the questions and the tone that they used with her, Sam, I don't think that they would have approved her had she responded the way I wished that she had responded.

[00:51:00] But what if everybody Trump puts up and said the same thing? Then what do you do? And what if the American people push back by the millions saying, you guys have lost your minds? We're not doing that. We're not creating secret combinations that conflict with the Constitution. We're not doing that. Shame on you. If you don't put through Tulsi for standing for what's right, we will absolutely remove you from office. And I'm telling you, even if 100,000 Americans stood together and said that, they would change their tune, buddy. And it would have been public. The hearing that Tulsi Gabbard did was very, very public.

[00:51:30] You can still find it on the Internet today. You can watch it. You can listen to it. And you can hear what we've been talking, what Sam and I have been talking about. But you're right, Sam. If she had stood up and called out the U.S. regime for the crimes that it has been committing for decades upon the American people and peoples in other land, then she would not have been approved. Right? She would not have been confirmed. Trump could have found somebody else to speak up.

[00:52:00] And even if he went through five or ten people, if they all said the same thing, pretty soon the American people would realize, hey, there's something rotten here in Denmark. And we need to change out these senators who think that they are above the law, above the U.S. Constitution. Yeah, so sadly I don't support Tulsi because if she'll agree in public and cave on that just to get confirmed, what will she do in secret, Lowell? Yeah. Yeah. Yep, yep. Or in private or whatever word you want to use for that, right?

[00:52:30] Okay. The Constitution's got to mean something. Got to stand for something, sir. Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, I really enjoyed listening to the hearing. I was so disappointed all the time. I thought she had great opportunities to stand up and speak the truth. I mean, she says that she speaks truth to power. And she did several times. I mean, she's pretty adamant about certain things, about obeying the Constitution and about... Except for 702 there.

[00:52:58] She'll, you know, let that run. How is 702 obeying the Constitution? Right. Well, she said that the congressional reforms made to Section 702 made it better now than when she opposed it, which, of course... Maybe true, but it doesn't change my fundamental point. They have no authority whatsoever. Right. Yeah. It's kind of like saying, I'm going to change the income tax to be a little nicer to you. Okay, that doesn't change the fact that it's criminal and unconstitutional.

[00:53:28] We've got to get rid of it today. Donald Trump has an incredible opportunity right now while we're talking about tariffs to increase tariffs and abolish the income tax. Get her done. Amen, brother. That's what I'm saying. Hey, one last question. Yes, sir. She was asked a question. What would you do if President Trump ordered you to withhold congressionally approved funds? You know, they were in the context of the inspector general, right? Yeah, and I can't answer that question. It depends on what the funds were for and how they were derived.

[00:53:57] Yeah, but if Congress approves the funds, does the executive have to spend the money? No, absolutely not. That's my question. No, certainly not. The president has a choice. If the president says it's unconstitutional to spend this money or you didn't have authority to pass this expenditure, I'm rejecting it. He has every right to do so. Excellent. That's the question. Yep. I think you've answered the question then, Sam. I appreciate it. Congress has limited authority. They can't pass a law. What if they said we're going to pass a law that says put all the money in Sam Bushman's bank account? The president said no, can't do that. He's right.

[00:54:27] They're wrong. They can't do that. There's limits, ladies and gentlemen. There's checks and balances and limits on power. Go read your supreme law if you don't believe me. For Lowell Nelson, CampaignForLiberty.org and yours truly nationally syndicated by the loving Liberty Radio Networks. God save the republic.