Radio Show Hour 2 – 01/20/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news that I wish refused to use. No doubt continues it now. This is the broadcast for January the 20th in the year of our Lord, 2025. What does that mean? It means it's Martin Luther King Day, number one.

[00:00:40] Number two, it means the inauguration ceremony will be held today. High noon is when it all happens. Trump says the inauguration will be moved inside to the tundra, which means not very many people will be able to attend. They're going to broadcast it to the arena where everybody will be at inside as well. And I say that scaled down is a good idea. Richard Mack and I have been saying, hey, he needs to do that for national security. Now he's doing it because of the cold. Okay, whatever reason we got to have to do it, I'm in.

[00:01:09] And I think it's a wise, careful, good move. Meanwhile, it looks like Joe Biden just pardoned Anthony Fauci, Liz Cheney, General Milley, entire January 6th committee, thousands of criminals, J6 cops. I mean, it's his last criminal act, they say.

[00:01:37] Senator Rand Paul said Biden just admitted Fauci's guilt. This is serious. But then Mike Johnson comes on the scene, scariest thing I've ever seen. Mike Johnson says he's known about Donald Trump not being, Joe Biden, sorry, Joe Biden not being able to run the country for more than a year. That makes Mike Johnson part of the criminal cabal.

[00:02:01] Why would Mike Johnson know about this and not say anything before they put up Joe, skip the primary, switch to Kamala, and he kept his mouth shut this whole time? Criminal activity from the top of your government to the bottom is really the bottom line. Happy Inauguration Day, little Nelson. Welcome to the show, sir. Wow. Thank you very much, Sam, on that note of bad news and, well, sobering news, I guess. I appreciate the welcome here to Liberty Roundtable Live. Thank you.

[00:02:32] Interestingly enough, with all going on today, we've got to focus on some other topics a little bit, too, because they're in the news and they're important. First one is Ron Paul writes an incredible column, ronpaulinstitute.com, 2025 New Year's resolutions. And you say, well, Sam, why would you bring that up now? It's, you know, several weeks after the new year. Because it's Inauguration Day, people. Because Martin Luther King said, I have a dream. Well, lol, I have a dream.

[00:03:01] And that is we can abolish the Federal Reserve. Yeah, my dream, too, Sam. You know, it's Ron Paul. Well, and people make resolutions, you know, all during the month of January. Most people break most of the resolutions early in the year. But it is a time for a thought, for reflection, and an opportunity, really, for people to take another bite of the apple that they want to eat. He says, he writes this, quote,

[00:03:37] Well, that is his first and most important suggestion. Because, you know, without a fiat monetary system, meaning the U.S. dollar, the general government would not be the policeman bully of the world, which it is today.

[00:04:06] Nor would it be financing so many social welfare programs here at home. Yeah, we debate the debt ceiling right now. Donald wants to increase it, calls it ridiculous. Thank heavens Congress held him to account to some degree. But the debt ceiling, we're hitting it right now, by the way. And what I find fascinating about this is if you had constitutional currency, honest money, you wouldn't be able to even worry about a debt ceiling. Because, hey, whatever metal you have is the debt ceiling, right? That's right.

[00:04:34] Whatever you collect from the states, that's your ceiling. You can't spend what you don't have. I love telling our girls that when we go out and about sometimes, though, when they were small, they would say, can't we get that? And, of course, I could honestly say I don't have any money in my pocket for that. Because I didn't. And if you don't have money to spend on something, then you don't spend the money. Very simple. So it's important for our government to do the same thing.

[00:05:02] And that's one of the resolutions that Ron Paul suggests for the Federal Reserve. He says they should also resolve to refrain from developing a central bank digital currency, you know, the CBDC. A digital currency controlled by the Fed will give government new power to violate Americans' financial privacy. End of quote. So, you know, basically, if your money is electronically, it is electronic, then the government could restrict your use of that money.

[00:05:30] In fact, they could even shut it off. Just cause it to disappear. I'll make it zeros in your bank account. Well, Ron Paul suggests that the media... Yeah, you keep talking like that, and we'll make sure that happens to you, Lowell. That's right. I'll be target number one. He also wants the media to quit gaslighting us with misinformation.

[00:05:52] And finally, and most importantly, perhaps, Dr. Paul suggests that anyone, you know, like us, you know, soldiering on in the sacred cause of liberty should, quote, resolve to increase their understanding of the benefits of liberty and the dangers of authoritarianism. End of quote. And what he means by this is that we really ought to be studying the thinking of great thinkers like Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, and so forth.

[00:06:21] We ought to stay up to date with current news and try to find the truth behind the lies of the mainstream media and the political class. You know, we should be asking ourselves, what can I do in the cause of liberty? Should I run for public office? Should I run for political party office? Should I work to offer? Yes, you should, Lowell. You should do both of those things. Yeah.

[00:06:45] Well, you know, I'm certainly in party office right now, but I don't know about running for public office yet. But, you know, we have great people in public office in our legislative districts right now. And maybe I would have run if Kristen had not. But she's going to be great as one of our reps up there in the Utah House.

[00:07:08] We need to ask ourselves about maybe authoring books or authoring articles posted on the Internet. Could I be a writer? Could I be a talk show host like Sam here? Could I be an entertainer? You know, make movies. Some of the great movies. There are more and more great movies coming out. And I just saw, we just saw, my wife and I saw the Brave the Dark made by Angel Studios just a couple days ago. Maybe it was yesterday?

[00:07:38] It was Friday night. So another great movie. That one's about Homestead, right? No, we saw Homestead. That's the ambition to Brave the Dark. No, we haven't seen Brave the Dark. We want to. We saw Homestead, the movie. That's helpful, right, to get people thinking about liberty topics. And so, anyway, Ron writes this great column. He says, at the end of it, he says, quote, I've always believed music must be a part of any successful liberty revolution.

[00:08:07] Anyone who doubts the importance of culture should consider how many people were introduced to the ideas of liberty through Ayn Rand's novels, and how many people came to understand the evils of authoritarianism through the novels of George Orwell. End of quote. Yeah, very important writers. He also wrote of the need for people to fund candidates with character.

[00:08:31] And those candidates with a solid understanding of the proper role of government and to invest in organizations that spread the ideas of liberty here, like Liberty Roundtable, and that warn of the dangers of all forms of authoritarianism. So today, folks, is today now is the time to decide to do something in the sacred cause of liberty.

[00:08:54] As Ron Paul says, let's resolve, quote, to make 2025 a year of liberty, peace, and prosperity. End of quote. So, you know, like Sam said, we need to be involved in the cause of liberty. We need to be thinking and learning all the time and then doing something every day, you know, in the cause of liberty. And if everybody did that, Sam, it would be – we'd be there.

[00:09:21] We would have this dream of peace, prosperity, and liberty right here in our day. It would make a big, big difference, Sam. Amen. Folks, you've got to understand we've got a role to play in the republic. That's you and me. And it doesn't mean you vote in November and then you're done. It means you get involved in as many meaningful ways as you possibly can. Get on your knees and ask God how, and then get up and go to work.

[00:09:50] I happen to be a, you know, talk show host. Been so for 30 years. Everybody says, Sam, you need to run for office. No, I don't. I believe I do more good on the radio. And now I've added short videos, by the way. Check out my short videos. LibertyRoundTable.com. You might like some of them. One of them is called Shame on – or, yeah, Shame on You. Shame me once. Shame on You. Shame me once. Or twice. Shame on me. You know, I've got all kinds of videos up there that are making a big difference.

[00:10:18] Like the Lord's called me to do. You need to do the same. And there you have it. Lowell, any final word on that one? No. I just really feel that – I feel deeply what you just said, Sam. Each one of us has different – well, we all have different talents. We have a multitude of talented people in the liberty movement. And finding what you're really, really good at and what you most enjoy, that –

[00:10:47] And then go on to work. Hang tight. We've got a quick break. Yep.

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[00:13:15] We all know that. He is to be inaugurated as the 47th President of the United States. And Paul Craig Roberts says he has a litmus test on his desk in the Oval Office. Well, what is this litmus test, you might ask? He answers in his column that he posted at lourockwell.com. Quote,

[00:13:56] Sounds pretty harsh, eh? Well, actually, I don't think he would lose the support altogether, but he would lose some support. And I pray that Donald J. Trump will do the right thing. He'll do right by these J6ers. Amen. Let me tell you why I believe that he's calling this the litmus test, though. Yeah, sure. Because of all the things that Trump promised. You know, he can skip a lot of the promises. A lot of people promise things when they get elected. And, you know, they don't accomplish them for various reasons. One, they're not able to. They thought they could.

[00:14:27] They partially get it done. They have too many things on their plate. I mean, there's a lot of reasons. And there's a lot of... I don't think people should make promises they can't keep to the best of their ability. And Trump literally kind of alluded to that. You know, he talked big and promised he'd do all these different things and stuff. For example, he said he could solve the war between Ukraine and Russia in like, you know, 24 hours or whatever. Now they're saying it's going to take months to resolve. And when asked why, they said, well, he was running for election.

[00:14:57] And that's a lot harder to get done than he first anticipated. Okay, well, but the reason that I focus on this is because this is something that, you know, hey, Joe set the standard. Joe can pardon anybody he wanted to. He just pardoned Fauci and everybody and their dog, which is a huge problem. I believe that the pardons that Joe gave could be unwound because you could prove that Joe was incompetent. Mike Johnson even said that he knew about that for over a year. So you can unwind that.

[00:15:22] If I if you, you know, sell my house and this and that and have me sign these documents and then you find out that I wasn't even competent to sign giving my house away or doing all these different things. You can unwind those transactions. So I believe we could clearly unwind this for Joe if they have the guts to. But nevertheless, they probably won't. But the reason I bring this up is because everybody went on January 6th to the Capitol because Donald Trump said so. Their president said so. And the president said, listen, we believe there's a problem with election integrity. And as a result, we need you to go and ask Congress to look at this.

[00:15:52] They peacefully did so. Was there a few people that caused problems? Yes. But for the most part, it was very, very peaceful. And the government is guilty of their provocateur agents actions. Ray Epps comes to mind firing incendiary devices into the crowds and everything else, you know, allowing people to go in, making people believe that they could go.

[00:16:13] You know, one of my friends went there, went into the Capitol peacefully to go to the restroom, asked for permission to go in, went in, went to the bathroom, marveled at how beautiful it was and left. Didn't do a single thing other than that. Well, he got prosecuted and he got convicted and went to prison for 10 days. Federal prison, 10 days. And why? Well, when he was in court, they asked, were you guilty of anything? No, no, no, no, no, no, nothing. And then, hey, why are they prosecuting? The judge said because you were a drop in the flood that day. What the heck does that mean?

[00:16:42] Well, he went to prison for 10 days over this. Anyway, I digress, except the reason I'm telling you this is when so many people completely did what Donald Trump peacefully asked them to do. And then we find out things like, hey, they knew full well that Trump provided for security and they disobeyed his direct orders. Now that's come out when. OK. And so this is the litmus test, because are you going to stand for the average American that can't stand up for themselves or not?

[00:17:12] And if you don't, then we can never trust you again on any topic. This is about we, the people. We don't have the clout Trump has. We don't have the clout Biden has. We're not part of that elite class. And so if Trump does not double down in defense of we, the average American. Then he's broken that trust with we, the people. I do believe it will be a litmus test. Now, he doesn't care because he's already a lame duck president, right? The second he gets sworn in this time, he's a lame ducker.

[00:17:41] And I don't mean to use that against him, but I'm just making a point. So maybe he doesn't care. But that's the whole reason this lame duck thing ties into this litmus test thing. When you don't need to care, do you still care? And if you do, good on you. If you don't, nothing but quadruple shame coming your way. And so that's why I believe this is such a quintessential issue.

[00:18:03] Sorry to spend so much time on it, but I really think it's important for people to kind of understand why is this such a center, third rail issue? Because everybody peacefully did what their president asked them to do. And many people have been in jail this whole time since. Now he has a chance to do something about it. Will he? Does he have our back like we had his? We're going to find out, Lowell. Yeah, yeah, we're going to find out, Sam.

[00:18:29] And what you just described is what I call integrity, right? Honesty is fessing up to something you did. But integrity is doing something that you said you would do when nobody's looking, when you don't have to, right? That's integrity. So we're going to find out if President Trump will actually keep his promise. And I think he – there's another reason this is different from like making peace with the Russians.

[00:18:54] Well, making peace with Russia is also very important, but it's also somewhat dependent on Russia and other surrounding nations. Whereas this, the freeing of political prisoners is simply something he can do with a stroke of a pen. And it doesn't depend on Russia. It doesn't depend on Israel. It doesn't depend on any lobbyist.

[00:19:20] It depends on his pen, where his pen goes after he is sworn in as our 47th president. And that's why it's easy for him to do. He knows he should do it. He's promised to do it. He's got thousands of family members praying for these hundreds and hundreds of political prisoners that he will do it. And so you're spot on, Sam. I just pray that he'll do it.

[00:19:46] He shouldn't wait because if he waits, then there will be other distractions that will arise. And those distractions would just stack on top of the pardon paper that he should have on his desk. Well, he promised over 100 executive orders first day. And he promised J6 pardons first day. See, last time go around, he promised that he would get rid of gun-free zones first day. And he failed and didn't do it.

[00:20:16] So I'm hoping he gets that done today as well. Right? We need to abolish gun-free zones. That's right. And these should be already written up and sitting on his desk awaiting his signature as president. Right? Yeah. If he swears in at noon by 1, they should be rolling out, baby. That's right, man. Well, he's not. I'm not an executive order guy. I don't believe in executive orders. I think they're criminal and wrong, and they violate the checks and balances of the U.S. Constitution. So I'm not fond of these executive orders at all.

[00:20:44] The reason that I'm waiting on them, though, is because he's promised them. And no matter how I feel about them, they're going to come out. So we've got to analyze them on the other side of the discussion. I'm not an executive order guy. I reject them. I think they're criminal, and they ought to be stopped. So if I were president, the only executive order I'd write is all executive orders are abolished, and I will issue no more executive orders. Thank you very much. That's all I would do. Well, on that, we might get for a little bit. I think an executive order from the chief executive makes sense.

[00:21:11] He's just directing people to do what they ought to do in his administration. But the executive orders I think you're talking about are the ones that affect people outside of the general government. Yeah, so if you want to create an executive order that says, listen, we've got to have people get the Charmin monthly so we have TP in the White House. Okay, I get it. Administrative executive orders in your own department are fine. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about executive orders that make law, change law.

[00:21:37] It's called pretend legislation or that circumvent the courts or that mandate international agreements that normally would be required to have advice and consent from Congress or the Senate. And you circumvent those things, those are the things that I'm talking about. If you say, hey, because there's a big threat, I'm going to write an executive order that says we're going to have guards posted at the doors for the Capitol for the next two weeks because it's dangerous. I get executive orders that are executive in nature, and I don't have a problem with that.

[00:22:04] What we're talking about is executive orders that simply circumvent the proper rule of separations of powers and the proper rule of checks and balances. That's really what I'm referring to. Yeah, absolutely right. And the reason for that is really in the first words of the Constitution, which say all legislation, you know, is in Congress, right? That's all legislative power, rulemaking, so forth, is in Congress.

[00:22:30] That's what could go outside and affect citizens outside the government. But executive orders, you know, that are truly executives in nature, then, yeah, we're okay with that. So very, very good. Now, here's something I didn't know, Sam, until I read about it yesterday and listened to the Ron Paul Liberty Report on the topic. There are organizations, Sam, waiting to help these prisoners get home to their family.

[00:22:54] Gary Haven is working with American Patriot Relief, which is a 501C4 foundation, and has marshaled private jet airplanes to return to their homes the pardoned Americans from prisons located at great distances from their homes. In other words, there are some of these police officers that are in prison or in jail in their own community, right? Very few of them are that way.

[00:23:23] Most of them have been transported all over the country, around the country, and they're very distant, very far away from their home, which has been another form of torture, mental torture on them, because they don't get the support from home, you know, like visitation and so forth that they would normally get if they were located near their homes, you know, in communities and prisons near their homes.

[00:23:48] And so this Gary Haven, he's got over 100, what he calls ambassadors, but they're volunteers waiting outside of 75 prisons in 35 states to deliver over 300 J6 Patriots to their homes. In cases where imprisonment caused the loss of their homes, housing will be provided until they are back on their feet. We'll break this down right after the break, but I want you to know I know Gary Haven personally, I think he's a wonderful gentleman doing a phenomenal job,

[00:24:17] and I support him a thousand percent, and I actually called him on his personal cell and said, I'm Sam Bushman, and you know who I am, and I'm here to help in any way I possibly can for you to carry this out. We're waiting on Donald right now, ladies and gentlemen. Gary Haven, a phenomenal man doing a great job partnering with those people, and I commend them for their work. Hang tight, quick pause, Lowell and Sam back in seconds on Inauguration Day. This is the one and only Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:24:43] Pursuing Liberty. Using the Constitution as our guide. You're listening to Liberty News Radio. Breaking news this hour from townhall.com. I'm Greg Kluxton at the White House, where President Biden hosted President-elect Trump this morning for the traditional pre-inauguration tea.

[00:25:11] When Trump got out of the vehicle, Biden said, welcome home. It was one of the last events leading up to the noontime swearing in of Trump as the 47th president. After the tea, the two presidents shared a car ride to the U.S. Capitol. For the first time in 40 years, the inauguration ceremony will take place indoors because of the cold weather. I'm Rich Thomason. Mr. Trump bowing to hit the ground running, signing scores of executive orders upon his return to the White House later today. Perhaps as many as 200 orders.

[00:25:41] Among his priorities, securing the borders north and south, regaining American energy independence, getting the U.S. economy back on track, and making American cities safe again. President Biden has issued 11th hour pardons. Pardons that have been the subject of much speculation since Donald Trump's election victory. Those pardoned include Dr. Anthony Fauci, retired General Mark Milley, and members of the House Committee then investigated the January 6th attack, like Benny Thompson and Adam Schiff.

[00:26:09] In a White House statement, Biden says he fears they might become targets of unjustified and politically motivated prosecutions. Fauci helped coordinate the nation's response to the COVID-19 pandemic and has been targeted by those who blame him for mask mandates. Milley, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, once called Trump a fascist. Jennifer King, Washington. The Gaza ceasefire is holding and the three Israeli hostages released by Hamas being cared for at one of the Mideast's premier medical centers near Tel Aviv.

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[00:30:18] you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is Lowell Nelson writing Shotgun this hour with your host Sam Bushman here on Liberty Roundtable Live. At the break, just before the break, we were talking about Gary Haven. Sam mentioned that he's friends with Gary, and I didn't know that. I think what Gary is doing is fantastic.

[00:30:44] He and over 100 volunteers are waiting outside over 75 prisons today in 35 states to deliver over 300 J6 patriots to their homes. We're banking on the hope that Trump will pardon them and that these J6ers will be released from prison. And so, you know, in some cases, these prisons are way outside of a community.

[00:31:11] They're out, you know, located miles away from their homes and maybe mass transit. You know, prisons are not downtown of these cities. They're usually way out. And so if a prison releases somebody, they just release them to the open road, right? They kick them out and say, look, you know, good luck, right, buddy? And so there's no way for them to get anywhere. They have to bum a ride or hitch a ride with somebody.

[00:31:41] And as you know, most of these prisons, they have signs along the roadways that don't pick up, you know, hitchhikers, because it might be a, you know, violent criminal who just got away from the prison. Yeah, and so it's tough. It's tough on people who get released from prison to get back to, you know, civilization, so to speak. And so recognizing this, Gary, you know, put together this alliance with a number of other patriot organizations,

[00:32:10] such as the J6 Pardon Project, American Gulag Chronicles, Stop Hate, J6 A Road Home, Stand in the Gap, Patriot Nell Project, and Condemned USA, to name a few of the organizations he's working with, and put together this operation called Operation Airlist. So Gary has volunteer jet aircraft and crews standing by, you know,

[00:32:38] waiting to take home the J6 prisoners who are incarcerated at a place that's a long way from home, right? So J6 might be, you know, have a home in Georgia and yet be incarcerated in the Washington, D.C. prison. Well, how's he going to get home, right? No money, no car. And so, well, Gary's going to solve that problem for him. And I think this is a fantastic idea.

[00:33:07] You can donate money to help these captives. There's a website, givesendgo.com slash freedomsambassador, where you can donate money to help these captives. Money will be going to the meals, hotel, and clothing and so forth for these political prisoners.

[00:33:23] It's not a moneymaker for anybody, but just a way to mitigate the monetary burden that these J6ers have in getting out and getting back into society. And, you know, I listened to the Ron Paul Liberty Report where Daniel McAdams and Ron were interviewing Gary Havens.

[00:33:49] And one of the things that Daniel did was he read a post by one of the prisoners. This one came from somebody named Jake Lang, who wrote this, quote, Last week I was shuffled like an animal, chained like Hannibal Lecter with my hands in a black box handcuffed torture device that left my wrists bleeding.

[00:34:10] I was moved from the number one worst prison in America, Brooklyn Federal Prison, to Washington, D.C. jail, the Gulag, for my upcoming November 12th. So obviously he's writing this a couple of months ago. Continuing his quote, he says he writes, Four years, a Democrat political hostage.

[00:34:33] Four long years, our families have desperately clung to one idea that God is still good and he isn't done with America yet. The promise has helped our communities to fight through the insurmountable odds. Our lives have been destroyed by the very tyrannical government that usurped power over our nation. The hydra of all evil known as the feds, taking over state sovereignty and bloating America into a despotic police state, end of quote.

[00:35:02] And Sam, this is just one representative sample of hundreds of such letters from hundreds and hundreds of such prisoners. And so Paul Craig Roberts, who wrote this column about this litmus test that Trump is facing today, he goes on and says, you know, a full pardon for these people is just one third of what needs to be done.

[00:35:25] Another one third is restitution for all expenses, lost income and stress from being wrongly prosecuted and locked away from family, friends and career in prison. Many of them great distances from their communities, thus depriving them of support from visits from family and friends. Some were kept in solitary confinement. Others were tortured. The remaining one third is actually the most important one third, he writes.

[00:35:53] The DOJ, FBI and White House officials responsible for the indictments, prosecutions and imprisonments must be indicted, prosecuted and sentenced. By weaponizing law for propaganda and political purposes and by using false indictments for the purpose of suppressing the powerful evidence of massive vote fraud in the 2020 presidential election, high law enforcement officials committed felonies. They must be held accountable for their crimes.

[00:36:22] Otherwise, legal precedents are created that are fateful for democracy, for the rule of law and accountable government. Once precedents are established that high officials have immunity for using law not to enforce justice but to create injustice, the rule of law and accountable government cease to exist. End of quote. Well, I couldn't say anything better, Sam.

[00:36:44] I mean, like how in the world can Trump let public servants who intentionally framed innocent people as criminals walk away unpunished? Well, it's hard to even fathom is the problem with this discussion. It's like I cannot believe that a president of the United States, which is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution,

[00:37:10] would literally, you know, just leave many Americans in this this quandary. Where's the justice system that would basically say, hey, we're going to evaluate each case individually? You know what? Just take Stuart Rhodes, my dear friend, one of the most important people in this that got 18 years. He never even went into the Capitol for crying out loud. He didn't commit any act of violence. They just say, because he's a leader of a massive organization known as the Oath Keepers, that, hey, to Biden, that's a terrorist organization.

[00:37:40] How dare you think that you can come home from the military and create a peaceful organization to defend Trump and those kind of people, which Oath Keepers did in many, many, many cases. And so it was an Operation Takedown by Joe. And now Operation Pardon by Joe. And so I commend Gary Haven, Donald Trump, all the people involved. I hope to be helpful in some way. I commend every one of them for their work.

[00:38:06] What I wrote about this headline is, dear friend Gary Haven leads massive effort to make sure any J6 protesters, pardoned by incoming President Trump, are in good shape. Meaning that they're simply not dropped off into the street with no food, clothing, etc. Or shelter that they've got a place to be, a place to go.

[00:38:30] So he's either going to take them home if possible, or he's going to provide means for them to make adjustments and time for them on the outside to be able to handle these things. I mean, Gary's a hero, Lowell. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if there's somebody in a federal prison near, like around here, like in Salt Lake City, or, I mean, I don't know if we have a federal prison, but maybe we do. I don't know. If we do, though, and they need a ride home, then, I mean, sign me up.

[00:38:58] I mean, we need to, I mean, I think of some of my dearest friends who went back to that rally and were interviewed by the FBI after they came home, like a year after, in fact, after the rally. And we were interviewed by the FBI, probably searching for dirt on them. I mean, we're talking like Tina Horlacher and Chris Kimball and some of our dearest friends, Sam.

[00:39:21] If they were in prison, if they'd been stuck in prison all this time, you know, for the past two or three years, I mean, and they were finally let out, I would be on the doorstep to that prison waiting to get them home, right, to take them home. That's what we, you know, and so I really applaud Gary for putting this Operation Airlift together to make it happen for these J6ers. It's phenomenal. Amen.

[00:39:48] Man, anyway, a big shout out to Gary Haven and everybody that's working with him. Like I say, I've offered my services. Right now they haven't got back to me, but you know what? I'm sure they're super busy, so I'm not critical of that either. I'm just saying, hey, you know, anything I can do to help, and so that's why I'm covering this on the radio with Lowell now. We want to help. Dear friend Gary Haven, in my opinion, an American hero, is making sure that any J6 prisoners pardoned by Donald Trump, they have a place to go.

[00:40:17] That they're not left on the streets with no food, no clothes, no shelter. That's not happening. Thanks to good philanthropists like Gary Haven, good moral Christian people. You got to shout out to them and support them in every way you possibly can. I love it. All right, let's skip the break. We got to talk about Martin Luther King before the day's out, because after all, it is Martin Luther King Day. Well, that's kind of what I was thinking, Sam, because one year before he was assassinated, Martin Luther King Jr.

[00:40:46] delivered a powerful anti-war speech entitled Beyond Vietnam, A Time to Break Silence, wherein he decried the United States' genocidal war on the people of Vietnam. King linked the state-sanctioned oppression of the blacks with the suffering of the Vietnamese at the hands of the U.S. military, right? So he compared the two. The lamestream media denounced King for speaking out against the war on Vietnam.

[00:41:13] But what he said here, I'll just quote him in part, part of his speech, just one paragraph here. He says, quote, now as I read this, think of Martin Luther King Jr.'s voice, the way he would say this. I mean, I can't say it the way he would. But what he said was, as I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problem.

[00:41:41] I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they ask, and rightly so, what about Vietnam? They ask, if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted,

[00:42:02] their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today, my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of the hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent. And I want to be very clear about this.

[00:42:31] I'm not a Martin Luther King fan, ladies and gentlemen. You know that I've been critical of him over the years, justly so. Hopefully Donald Trump will get the bottom line on that. Release it all. Declassify it all. Release it all. Our prayers are that we get the truth on every bit of that. However, you know, I'm always a guy that's based on principle, and it's not about individuals. And so when King does wrong things, I criticize it. I say, hey, here's the right way to go, and here's why. When he does right things, I support it.

[00:42:58] So when Martin Luther King says, I have a dream, that we're all judged on the content of our character, amen, brother. I agree a thousand percent. When he opposes these unconstitutional, abusive, war mentality agendas, the military-industrial complex, and when he challenges that, I concur with him, Lowell. Well, I do too, Sam. I applaud his speaking truth to power on this occasion. I really do. And so, like you, we don't want to kill the messenger.

[00:43:27] We don't want to shoot the messenger. What we are interested in is the message. And his message is spot on. Our own government, the U.S. regime, the hegemonic regime, is one of the biggest bullies, one of the greatest purveyors of violence in the world today. And he spoke this, what, 50, 60 years ago. It's still true today. It's even more true today. And Joshua Schultenfeld brings this out in a very bold way, courageous anti-war speech. Boy, do we need more of those, Lowell.

[00:43:58] That's for sure. And as the U.S. dollar falls in value, then I am hopeful that the U.S. hegemonic regime will also decline in power and will become, you know, I'm okay with defensive power. Defensive military might, but I'm not in favor of this offensive stuff we've been doing for the past five or six or seven decades.

[00:44:22] Speaking of war, speaking of war and wars we ought to back away from, Israel against the whole world. John Duncan, USA rep, right? That's right. Representative John J. Duncan, Jr. in a column posted at ronpaulinstitute.org. You know, Sam, every Sunday in church, we think of and we sing of that joyous day when the Savior will return to the earth. The Prince of Peace, right? He's returning.

[00:44:50] And on that day, right, peace will pervade. A world will be filled with wonder and with peace and happiness that we will experience, right? We do that every Sunday. And then we read of the wars being fought in Europe and in Asia and elsewhere. We read and talk about the death and destruction being wrought upon mankind. And my heart grows sad that we allow our government to be the purveyors of this death and pain upon humanity.

[00:45:19] I just marveled, Sam, that we haven't learned how to live together in peace yet. And so you take this column by Representative John Duncan, who on November 20th, the U.S., he writes this, on November 20th, the U.S. cast the only no vote in the U.N. Security Council against a call for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Why would we do that? Why wouldn't we support a ceasefire in Gaza?

[00:45:47] Why wouldn't we support, you know, a decision that would stop the killing and stop the loss of love? I'm for a ceasefire everywhere, lol. Oh, everywhere, absolutely.

[00:45:58] And we might add here, Sam, what the U.S. is doing in the Ukrainian or doing to the Ukrainian and the Russian people by continuing to fund an unwinnable war, which puts these young military men and now conscripts, because that's the only way Ukraine can get men onto the front lines now is they kidnap them and conscript them into their meat grinder, right? Like we're about to do. See, my prediction is they're going to turn Trump into a war president. I pray it doesn't happen, but predict it will.

[00:46:27] Yeah, well, we I worry about that, too. Representative Duncan writes, my own Christian beliefs lead me to believe that God will punish those who have killed and are still killing thousands of little children in Gaza. Israel killed another 28 people in Gaza on New Year's Day. And Defense Minister Israel Katz announced on January 2nd he was going to increase the number of bombing raids. And then 65 more were killed on January 4th. End of quote.

[00:46:57] So where does Israel get the bombs and other munitions, Sam? Well, from armament manufacturers in the United States, of course. And so this money that we're sending to Ukraine and we're sending to Israel, most of it goes not to Ukraine and Israel and certainly not to the people of those countries. But that goes to the armament and munitions manufacturers here in the United States. And we're saying President Trump in a couple of minutes, stop it. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:47:26] Just stop the flow of money to these or to these. Yeah, these organizations that are creating the bombs that are being rained down on the people of Gaza and on the people in Russia. And then this, who wrote this?

[00:47:47] Yeah, Representative Duncan goes on and talks about a number of people and organizations who have detailed the genocide in Gaza. He quotes Mearsheimer, a Chicago professor, John Mearsheimer, who wrote on Substack about the 179-page report from Human Rights Watch issued a few days earlier detailing Israel's genocide in Gaza. Right. This came out just last month. Well, here's the point.

[00:48:16] When it's Israel against the world, Israel needs to stop their war mentality, stop being a warlike people, stop their military industrial complex and the tapping in by the U.S. taxpayer, et cetera, et cetera. They need to stop it, then it won't need to be Israel against the world. That's really the quintessential point of this great article. We've got to talk about Thomas Jefferson's first inaugural address, though, because it is inauguration day for the president, President Trump. And what a pattern to follow, sir. Absolutely right.

[00:48:44] You know, this came to me in another great email from Michael Bolden at the 10th Amendment Center dot com. Thomas Jefferson followed, of course, two presidents of form. George Washington, the first. John Adams was the second. Thomas Jefferson was the third president of our compound constitutional republic. And on March 4th, 1801, he delivered his first inaugural address, something that President Trump will be doing later today. Right.

[00:49:10] And Jefferson's address is one of the most significant presidential speeches in history. In it, he laid the groundwork for a system dedicated to the limits of the Constitution, rooted in individual liberty, fiscal responsibility, and the sovereignty of the state. It really, Sam, is a roadmap that should be followed today.

[00:49:32] I mean, if it were, then we would be in a far different world today if the general government simply follow that blueprint for liberty. Jefferson said that a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. End of quote. Right?

[00:50:02] And so he's talking about don't steal money from people. Don't tax. You write the income tax. It was unthinkable in Jefferson's day. The whole general government was run on the small tariffs that were imposed upon goods that came into this land, this country. And it was designed that way to make sure that the government never got too big. Absolutely right.

[00:50:25] So his view, Jefferson's view of the role the government should have differs tremendously from the role it plays today. And he outlined 13 principles, essential principles in that inaugural address, Sam, to guide his own administration, forming what he called a bright constellation to steer the union. And so what were some of those principles? Well, peace was high on the list.

[00:50:51] Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none. Right? So that's like echoes of George Washington's farewell address where he said exactly the same thing. And so Jefferson picked up the torch and he's carrying it on into the third administration as the third president of the country. Federalism, he talked about that.

[00:51:17] Support for state governments as the most competent administration for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against anti-Republican tendencies. End of quote there.

[00:51:58] That's just not right. Federalism was the design, the architecture, the underlying principle of our Constitution, and it's the most fundamental building block. It's the foundation of our Constitutional Republic. He talked about the right to keep and bear arms. He talked about freedom of speech, fiscal responsibility, paying down the debt, individual liberties, equal and exact justice. Boy, howdy. We certainly need that today. It's equal and exact justice.

[00:52:29] Regardless of a person's persuasion, whether that's religious or political. I mean, that would go a long way in today's world, right? All these J6ers that got thrown in prison, that would certainly not equal justice. And so even our own Pledge of Allegiance talks about justice for all. Well, I like to say justice for all who will fight for it when I say the pledge because we certainly don't have justice for all.

[00:52:55] When hoodlums that overturned cars and set them on fire in downtown urban cities of our country get away with that and the police protect them and allow them to do that, facilitate their doing that. In contrast to the J6ers who peacefully rally in defense of election integrity. They get thrown in jail. They get incarcerated.

[00:53:21] They get indicted and thrown into prison for just peacefully walking into the Capitol and back out again. That is not equal and exact justice. That's not what Thomas Jefferson envisioned when he gave this inaugural address. Amen to that. But what a pattern for President Trump to follow. Those 13 principles come to mind for President Trump as well. And we end this show today. Trump swearing in in just a couple of minutes.

[00:53:47] We pray for the peaceful transfer of power. We pray that as Trump gets in office that he will use the supreme law of the land with all checks and balances as the guide. As he turns to God Almighty and says, we the people want to change. We want to repent and we want thy blessings once again. We look to the Savior Jesus Christ. He is our only Savior. We will not save America in Washington.

[00:54:12] Although, hey, a good leader turning us to God would be a wonderful blessing. But we got to realize it's looking to God Almighty that's the real solution. Not looking to Washington. Lowell Nelson, thank you so much. So you do a phenomenal job. We're grateful for you. Amen, brother. Thanks for having me, Sam. All right, there he goes. Lowell Nelson, CampaignForLiberty.org, doing a phenomenal job. We end. The Trump inauguration starts now.

[00:54:41] Thanks for being alongside with the ride. LibertyRoundtable.com. LovingLiberty.net. God save the republic.