Radio Show Hour 2 – 01/16/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Governor Ron DeSantis just announced the replacement for Rubio in the Senate. As you know, Rubio is headed to be, you know, in the administration there, right?

[00:00:36] Ron DeSantis announced that he is appointing Ashley Moody to replace U.S. Senator Marco Rubio. I just find this so interesting. I don't know who this person is. I don't know who Ashley is. Do you know who that is, Eldon? I don't. Ashley Moody.

[00:01:03] And I'm going to have to research who she is, but I just find this interesting how, you know, more and more and more of our elections are really selections. Because now Ashley Moody is going to, what? Serve until 26 when there's another election or whatever and then got incumbent status and everything else. Right? I just find the whole thing very, very strange. And I know you'd say, well, you got to do something because, I mean, come on, you got to fill this hole. I get it.

[00:01:32] She's an American attorney and politician. Born in 1975. That I guess she's been attorney general for Florida. I thought that was Pam Bondi. Anyway, I guess she's a Plant City, Florida Republican.

[00:01:54] And they say Florida's attorney general Ashley Moody is chosen to fill Marco Rubio's spot. But anyway, I don't know. I just don't know enough about these people, really. Now, wasn't Pam Bondi the attorney general of Florida? I guess I got to do some research here a little bit. Sometimes when you get these fresh news stories, you know, the mainstream press, all they do is they read whatever they're told about it. Right?

[00:02:24] I find it out from a line here and a line there. And so I can't just read the details like others can do without getting a lot of egg on my face. Right? Anyway, there you have it. I look at that and go, is she the attorney general? I guess so. When do you get that, Eldon? Yeah, I don't know. It looks like Pam Bondi is going to become attorney general.

[00:02:53] But, you know, one thing about this, I was surprised to see Marco Rubio tapped as the secretary of state nominee. You know, he's historically been one of the most prominent neoconservatives nationally.

[00:03:14] You know, when he ran for president, it was, you know, he had a slogan that was very, very much identifying with the neoconservatives. A new American century was his tagline. You've probably heard that. Is that a line before? Yes. I don't know. I don't know where this goes, really.

[00:03:42] Some of these people that are surrounding the administration seem to be people that have been on the radar. They've been in politics forever, but they've never been known as freedom fighters that I can see is the problem. Like, if we haven't heard of this person at all, then what? Right? Yeah, I don't know.

[00:04:03] Well, hopefully this person is going to be reliable in the U.S. Senate because we certainly need good people in the U.S. Senate. That's been a real, I don't know, seems like, you know, you try to get somebody good in the U.S. Senate and the National Senatorial Republican Committee moves heaven and earth to make sure that we don't get anybody that's actually going to rock the boat in the U.S. Senate.

[00:04:34] Anyway, I just find this very, very interesting. And I guess we'll just kind of keep an eye on the ball for some of this. But, man, I look at this and I think, who's Pam Bondi then? Well, I really haven't known much about her either.

[00:04:59] I thought she was the, you know, Attorney General for Florida for a while, but maybe it's, I think, former, maybe? I guess 2011 to 2019, it was Pam Bondi, and after that, it's this lady. So you're basically taking two Florida Attorney Generals and putting them in your administration. Well, you're kind of putting this person in the Senate seat for now, putting the other one in the administration. And you just kind of go, I don't know.

[00:05:29] You know, these Attorney Generals for Florida haven't been like super rock stars over the years, have they, for freedom? You've got the Attorney Generals from 2011 until 2024 now, two ladies, Pam Bondi and then this lady, Ashley Moody. And you're going to put one of them in the Senate, and you're going to put one of them in your administration. And I just think, really? I mean, every one of these people are attorneys and big-time politicians, been at it forever.

[00:05:57] And, I mean, you're either rich or we've gone over this. You're either rich or famous or, you know, been in government forever or whatever. Otherwise, you're just not even considered Eldon. I just find this so fascinating. And even Joe Biden's warning of a rich class taking over the country. And I'm not a Joe Biden fan, but I kind of have to go, he may be right. He may be right. What do you think of that, Eldon? It seems like Trump seems to want to keep sending people from Florida into his administration. I don't know why.

[00:06:28] Why Florida? Maybe it's just he's gotten to know these people more. I don't know. But anyway, to fill Rubio's seat. I find that fascinating. All right. I want to play a soundbite. This soundbite is from Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Now, I don't know if you remember who Sarah Huckabee Sanders is, but Mike Huckabee's daughter is Sarah. Sarah served in the administration, did a great job for Trump back in the day.

[00:06:57] Now she's governor of Arkansas, right? Just so people kind of get the historical reality on this. She's concerned about education, Eldon. Okay. And she says something very interesting. Here's the news report, then we'll talk about it. Liz? The Arkansas governor has an issue with higher learning. Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders says college professors should be fired if they're indoctrinating students.

[00:07:22] She made the proposal during her State of the State address before a joint meeting of the House and Senate. Sanders did not elaborate on how the state would enforce such a restriction or what would be considered indoctrination. She mentioned it as a part of an effort to improve higher education in the state. Her comments echoed rhetoric by her former boss president-elect Donald Trump and other Republicans. Sanders served as White House press secretary for part of Trump's first term. John Scott reporting. Do you want to respond to this, Eldon?

[00:07:52] So she's saying, hey, if these college professors are caught indoctrinating students, and then we can go on. Race critical race theory, or that Johnny can be a girl, or any of these flat-out fake news, bogus indoctrinated, communism, socialism. And if you could prosecute these people and fire them for this, I think she's on to something. The question becomes, how do you make that happen and all those different things? The first thing to do, in my mind, is get government out of education. So I think she's right on the point.

[00:08:20] I don't know that her answer is the best way to go. Americans should start to jettison institutions that indoctrinate youngsters and young adults and stuff like that. But she's on to something, at least when it comes to a debate and kind of an education campaign that needs to be held in America, across the country, in town halls, everywhere, for starters, Eldon. I think she's on to something.

[00:08:43] Well, in a lot of ways, you know, you can't really separate education from indoctrination. There's going to be some sort of doctrine or teaching or worldview or values or morality taught in any educational system. And so the question is not whether there will be indoctrination, but who's going to control that?

[00:09:11] Who's going to have their hands on the levers that control what's put into the minds of young people? Should that be government? Well, government has a tendency to teach people things in its own interest, to serve its own interests. And so would, let's say, churches. If they're running an educational system, they will have – or parents.

[00:09:38] So which scenario would you prefer? Do you trust government to put things in your interests in the minds of your children or your grandchildren? Not a chance. We've gone a long time down that road.

[00:09:57] Yeah, not a chance, but we've got a long time allowing that and just sending our kids to be indoctrinated by government rather than being indoctrinated by somebody that's probably more toward our way of thinking. Well, and that's one thing people don't really understand. When you hear the word indoctrination, you really think of it pretty negatively. Sure.

[00:10:22] But there's a – you know, we teach our children Christianity from the cradle up, and somebody could say we've indoctrinated them into Christianity. So I think we need to take the negative connotation of what indoctrination means. You know, when are you brainwashing or deceiving somebody versus when are you educating them to the truth? And, you know, anybody who doesn't believe in Christ would say, well, you brainwashed them to believe in Christ. Okay, we've got to understand what is truth? What is freedom?

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[00:13:12] Hey, man, college professors should be fired if they're indoctrinating students. And the real problem with that discussion, I agree with her point that it's a problem. You know, her highlight in this reality check is good. But the problem is who decides what's indoctrination and who should decide? And that's really where the rubber meets the road, Eldon. Yeah, of course. It's kind of like the word propaganda. Well, what exactly does that mean?

[00:13:41] Propaganda isn't necessarily a bad thing, but its connotation and its use over years has been negative now. So that people think of propaganda as, well, some sort of information I don't like. Well, and then the other term to be used with this is rhetoric. What's rhetoric? You know, is that bad? Is that a bad word, rhetoric? It sounds bad. Listen to their, you know, off-the-rails rhetoric or whatever they want to say.

[00:14:09] But rhetoric is just basically you're expounding your views on something, right? Yeah, rhetoric is the art of persuasion through language. There's a study on that. My brother knows a lot about that. He teaches rhetoric. So it's not about that. And so you look at this and you just go, who's going to decide?

[00:14:34] And in my opinion, God put parents in charge of the decision of what their children are taught. I mean, they're the first teachers on the scene, right? Right, right. They should be. So it's a matter of really, are parents going to take responsibility and charge of that again?

[00:14:54] Or are they going to continue to let the state or whoever decide what's put into the minds of their sons and their daughters, their grandchildren, their nieces and nephews? And I think part of the problem is I think most Americans are having a tough time getting the real skinny on what's really happening in many cases. Now, I know they should research and do more like what we do and be on top of it or whatever. But, I mean, most of them are not.

[00:15:20] And that's why I say whether Sarah Huckabee Sanders has the answers or not, whether she can really implement something like that or not, is beside the point. The point is this discussion about, hey, are children being indoctrinated? The answer is clearly yes. By whom? Well, the enemies of liberty. And, you know, are we the parents going to tolerate that? And I think that's why this debate needs to go so viral because then parents can ask questions and get answers.

[00:15:43] And with proper information, not fake news, but real information, I believe most Americans, most parents can and want to make right decisions, Eldon. Sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, the problem is why are we spending so much money? Why do we have a government-run education system? That doesn't really make any sense. Of course, it's going to be used.

[00:16:11] That's going to be a prime opportunity for people that want to put their own values, their own ideas, good or bad, and force that into the minds of many young people and force people to pay for it that don't necessarily agree with whatever ideas those are.

[00:16:29] Would it make more sense rather than have kind of a one-size-fits-all policy and approach to say, you know what, let's allow the free market to operate in the realm of education rather than just plunder everybody's dollars and throw them in a big slush fund and then say, okay, we're going to have this massive bureaucracy, sort this out as to what these children are going to be taught. Well, then here's the question, too.

[00:16:56] I mean, they talked about abolishing the education department at the federal level. I've always warned. I appreciate that. I support that. But if you're not very careful and you take all these pieces of the education department, you move them to other government agencies, and then you foe shut down the education department. So it literally doesn't exist. But yet, hey, most of the functionality is in other areas of government. We can create a leaner, meaner, more evil, more in-your-face, more involved-in-your-life government.

[00:17:21] Just take the mental health of children, for instance, or vaccination of children. They've got you on both fronts. And then they basically move that into, say, the National Institutes of Health or even international, the World Health Organization or something like that. And so now you don't have that in the education department, so they can shut it down, they farm off all these. But the NIH will have a whole lot more ability to get into your personal life and dictate the health of your children and the details of your children than the education department ever was.

[00:17:51] So we need to be really careful here. But I don't see anybody even really trying to get rid of the education department now, are they? I think Thomas Massey is going to reintroduce his bill to abolish the Department of Education. But that would straight up do that. I commend him, but Mike Johnson just took Massey off some key committees. Well, yeah, he took them off the Rules Committee. But that was – anyway, another story.

[00:18:14] But, you know, funny you should bring that up because Senator Mike Rounds, I got to know him pretty well when I was in South Dakota when he was running for his first term. Okay? He said, I'm going to get rid of the Department of Education. We kind of laughed at that, you know, how many Republicans have claimed that. Now, he just introduced a bill that supposedly would get rid of the Department of Education. But it's just like you said, Sam. It's – yeah, we're not going to get federal government out of education.

[00:18:43] We're just going to move all these things that the U.S. Department of Education currently does into other departments. And then we'll close down the Department of Education and say, see, we got rid of the Department of Education. Wow. Okay. Well, what good did that actually do? It's such a sham. Well, and that's the point. And this is what we have to look out for.

[00:19:05] We saw the agencies might have more abusive strings attached than the Education Department ever did to the funding, to the money, to the control, to the – and so, you know, if we're not careful, we're from the frying pan into the fire, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's – I mean, we have to look out for these fake solutions that are come up.

[00:19:27] And it's kind of a calling card for people that are so-called moderate conservatives. I call them neoconservatives. That's a real term. They always want reform. They want to reform the United Nations or reform, I don't know, health care or whatever. But it's never the constitutional principled solution.

[00:19:53] It's always compromising with socialism. You're right about that. But here's the deal. Marco Rubio and Pam Bondi and all these people are up on Capitol Hill testifying before the Senate and stuff like that. I don't know why they're having these different committees look at these different things. To me, what you should do is you should just put these people for straight up and down votes in front of the whole Senate. I don't know that we need to twist arms and have committees and play games before people can even get to the general Senate.

[00:20:22] What you give a special senator's special privilege to vet and control the outcome before you ever get to the rest of our colleagues and our servants in the Senate, the upper chamber. But nevertheless, I just find that interesting. But Marco Rubio is in the news because he was testifying. And he actually said some very fascinating things that I want to bounce off you, Eldon.

[00:20:44] Secretary of State nominee Marco Rubio warned during his confirmation hearing on Wednesday that it will take China less than 10 years to virtually control every aspect of Americans' lives if the U.S. fails to, quote, change course. Do you want to respond to this? Because I actually, I'm not a Rubio fan. He's too mainstream for me.

[00:21:13] But at the same time, boy, is he spot on on that, sir. Yeah. You know, it's become popular in the last number of years, especially since Trump started talking about China, for a lot of these so-called mainstream conservatives to start raising the alarm over China.

[00:21:33] But the problem is that you kind of have to question their sincerity on this concern because these are many of the same people who pushed policies for years and years to raise communist China to the situation where it is today, where we depended upon them for so many things.

[00:21:56] So what exactly would a State Department, Secretary of State Rubio do in this case if he were to probably will become Secretary of State? Is this just popular rhetoric where he's kind of echoing what Trump says? I don't know. I don't know.

[00:22:26] But I have a hard time buying into the idea that these folks are really going to turn this ship around, that they worked so hard to put in the direction it's in already. You're right about that. And it's taken us 50 years to break America. But Rubio says this.

[00:22:47] Rubio said the Chinese Communist Party, the CCP, and their stronghold over key industries and critical infrastructure and materials will leave Americans to become dependent on China for a wide range of products, ranging from medicines to everything else.

[00:23:15] Medicine to films is the example he gave. And so it goes on and says everything from the blood pressure medicine we take to what movies we get to watch and everything in between. I think it's a stark reality check warning, and I think he's right. Well, it is accurate. But, okay, what are we going to do about this? Is the Secretary of State Rubio going to say, you know what? Maybe the most favored nation status toward communist China wasn't the best idea.

[00:23:46] Maybe we shouldn't be part of the World Trade Organization. Maybe we shouldn't be borrowing so much money from China or trading with them so much. And maybe we should bring back our industrial base so we can produce much more and reduce all these regulations on domestic industrial production.

[00:24:13] Maybe we need to make Mr. Stahl Secretary of State, ladies and gentlemen. I'm just saying. We've got to have common sense on the table, that's for sure. Hank Tide, Eldon Stahl, field coordinator for the John Birch Society, jbs.org, thenewamerican.com, and you're clearly back in seconds on the one and only Liberty Roundtable Live.

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[00:30:13] Casting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Back with you live, ladies and gentlemen, Sam Bushman, Eldon Stahl on your radio. We're talking about a lot of topics today. It sounds like we're all over the map, but we're really not. It's just the target-rich environment. We want to get kind of a little bit of common sense on many of these topics at hand.

[00:30:41] Supposedly, right away, one of the first things he's going to do is pardon J6 prisoners. Political prisoners. And I think that needs to happen. I pray that it occurs. Donald Trump takes office, what, on Monday? Is that when he takes office? Yep. And so I'm hoping that he really does what he says about the J6 prisoners. But there's a debate. They're saying we're going to do it case by case. The violent ones we're not going to release. You know, the question becomes who is violent and who decides violence?

[00:31:11] Let me give you an example. If the government launches incendiary devices and rubber bullets at me and then I retaliate, am I the violent one? Or I protect myself or protect somebody? Am I the violent one? Or is the government that, you know, started that thing? The debate rages. That's the problem with a little bit of this. Well, anyway, the reason that I bring this up is because Stuart Rhodes, our dear friend, who's in prison for 18 years. I am defending Stuart Rhodes and I always have, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:31:41] And I'm telling you right now that Stuart Rhodes was on my program, Liberty Roundtable Live, the day before January the 6th. And he broke it down. He said, listen, we're going in. Our goal is to keep the peace. Our goal is to be at Donald Trump's service. If Donald calls on us, we'll do whatever he asks us to do. In the meantime, we're here peacefully. And we're going to peacefully take care of people. And you've got all kinds of videos of the Oath Keepers doing just that. They've got years of experience, years of going around the country, helping local communities.

[00:32:09] I mean, you've got community after community that would testify to the great work they've done. Stuart Rhodes has no criminal record of any kind until this, et cetera. But here's the deal. There's an article written in thegatewaypundit.com. Good for our buddies over at the Gateway Pundit. They are true patriots. So they put this exclusive article from Oath Keepers founder Stuart Rhodes. It's a great article that's there. And the title is, quote, no man left behind. No man left behind.

[00:32:39] Why President Trump should pardon all. He says all J6 defendants, including the, quote, so-called violent ones. And I really agree with Stuart Rhodes on this. Now, it's hard for me a little bit. I am case by case. The ones that really, truly committed violence. You know, maybe there needs to be accountability for some of them. But I believe most were not violent. And most, for example, listen carefully to me.

[00:33:08] Stuart Rhodes was sent to prison for 18 years after the Biden DOJ invented charges against him. And his, quote, patriotic men's group following the events on January the 6th, 2021. Stuart, by the way, never went inside the U.S. Capitol. He never participated in any violence of any kind.

[00:33:31] Stuart also told his men to leave their weapons outside of the District of Columbia on that day. But for this, Merrick Garland, Joe Biden, and the corrupt D.C. courts sent Stuart to prison for 18 years. Now, here's the problem. Will they somehow dupe Donald into believing that Stuart Rhodes was one of the violent ones because he runs the Oath Keepers?

[00:33:58] Or will Donald Trump be savvy enough to understand the nuances here? January 6th was flat out a manipulated event, a form of entrapment. And you know what? Former J6er, John Strand, put it appropriately like this.

[00:34:20] Every case was prosecuted by the same government that facilitated and instigated the J6 event in the first place. Nobody should be prosecuted by a government that's facilitating and instigating a, quote, criminal event. That's what happened here. And I agree with all that. They're right.

[00:34:45] J6 was obvious entrapment with a dereliction of duty, of abuse by cops. The list goes on and on and on and on. The article continues by Stuart Rhodes and says, We all had our rights grievously violated by a highly weaponized, corrupt DOJ, FBI, DHS.

[00:35:12] Because we loved our country enough to go on January the 6th to try to have an accountability. Anyway, the article goes on and Stuart Rhodes says, I'm a nonviolent J6 political prisoner and I refused to plead guilty to crimes that I did not commit. They basically threw the book at him. It's a big, long, incredible article. And he talks about how he had to serve or had to basically be in solitary confinement.

[00:35:41] He talks about all kinds of different things in the article. It's a great, great article. Finally, entry into the Capitol facilitated their insurrection false narrative, they claim. Anyway, it goes on and on. It's a great article. Eldon, do you want to talk about this, though? This is, I really believe that we can look at what's happening here to Stuart and to some of these people. And if Trump really releases them, that's a feather in his cap. It's going to go far.

[00:36:10] If he doesn't release people like Stuart Rhodes, though, he might release a few if we're not very careful, low-level people or whatever else and make it look good. But we've got to hold him to a couple of these key promises, abolishing the Education Department, freeing the J6 prisoners, literally shutting down or getting rid of the FBI for their criminal activity, redoing the Justice Department in a meaningful way. Cash Patel being there might help with the head of the FBI.

[00:36:35] But this is serious, and we've got to put some milestones that Trump has got to accomplish or else he's not keeping his promises to the people. Do you think he'll really accomplish these things? Do you think Stuart's going free? Yeah, I think Stuart Rhodes is going to go free. That's a pretty egregious case right there of abuse.

[00:36:59] Whether Trump is going to pardon everybody, I have my doubts. Although, you know, the president does have the power of clemency as well to reduce somebody's sentence. So there may be a few cases like that where, yeah, okay, they committed some sort of crime that they should be held accountable for. But should they have the book thrown at them? So, you know, add them no.

[00:37:30] And a lot of these cases seem to fall under that scenario. You know, and also they've been put in situations in confinement that is really bad, just really bad. And so that needs to be taken into account as well.

[00:37:52] Of course, we need to get rid of so many of these people that are in the Justice Department that have committed such egregious abuses. Well, unless we go after the people in prosecute. For example, some of the leaders of these things just resigned and said, we're out. You know? Are they off the hook now? And is it behind us? Or are we going to really double down and prosecute? Where's Jim Jordan when you need him, right? Right. Right.

[00:38:19] So, you know, it's a multi-pronged attack that needs to take place. But, yeah, certainly the power of pardon and clemency was put into the Article II of the Constitution for the president for cases like this.

[00:38:38] It's based upon really the biblical idea of mercy, of forgiveness, and to invest that in, you know, somebody at the head of state to be able to exercise that power. Of course, yes, it can be abused just like any power. But that's kind of a unique thing that, you know, is in our system.

[00:39:08] I look at it and just say we've got to put some milestones for Trump. You know, the easy things like, hey, let's get rid of daylight savings time. We're on standard time. Let's just stay there. Things like cutting government spending. I mean, the best place to start is cutting foreign aid. Right? The best way to start is packing out of the U.N. Stop shipping money, pallets of money off to other countries. That would be a great start, wouldn't it?

[00:39:36] You know, abolishing the education department, getting rid of the daylight savings time, reducing spending, starting with Rand Paul's trillion-dollar savings. I mean, he highlighted wasteful spending. Talking about the penny plan. Now, dubbed the nickel plan to reduce spending actually not in theory or in whatever precept, but actual reduction in spending, not a reduction in the increase. But when they're all looking for a big omnibus spending bill and they're all, I don't really, you know, I don't know.

[00:40:04] I'd like to see the names of people that Trump's about to pardon. Yeah, me too. Me too. You know, by the way, a lot of this foreign aid in a big way started with the Marshall Plan back in the – after World War II. And it just expanded from there. Well, if we're going to fund this country, we're going to fund that country. Now we're funding just about every other country.

[00:40:31] You know, we need to maybe say, okay, World War II's been over for how many years? How about we back off a bit? That countries – if we're going to say countries can be independent, they've got to be economically independent. They shouldn't be dependent on the U.S. perpetually for military and financial aid, at the very least. Amen. Elden Stahl, Sam Bushman on your radio. Have you ever had great honey?

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[00:43:03] All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen. Eldon Stahl, Sam Bushman on your radio. So, you know, you and I want to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, the IRS, right? Shut that clown show down. It's been a criminal enterprise for decades. My dear buddy Steve Stockman went after Lois Lerner for her criminal activity. Lois ran free. Steve Stockman went to prison. See how they do it? Now, Steve Stockman has a committed sentence by Trump now, but he needs it completely fully pardoned because it still hangs over his head.

[00:43:31] And the enemies of Liberty and the enemies of Steve Stockman are really trying to, you know, harass him and cause all kinds of problems for him. We've got to get a complete pardon for Steve Stockman, for Stuart Rhodes, for many, many others. But I digress. When people bring up, let's abolish the IRS to Trump, Trump doesn't say he's going to abolish the IRS. I wish he would, but he doesn't. Here's what Trump does. He always deflects. And this is not an attack on Trump, but it is a reality check on Trump.

[00:44:01] Okay? Trump announced plans to create a new government agency. Now, I know it's not Doge this time. This is a new one. It's called the ERS. Yeah. It's called the ERS. External revenue service. They're calling it the ERS now to collect tariffs and other duties from foreign nations. And I don't necessarily disagree with that. I don't know that we need a new agency to do it.

[00:44:28] But again, we're going to abolish the IRS and create the ERS, or are we going to keep the IRS and then add a new government agency to the ERS? See, this is where Trump, you just don't know where the guy's ever even headed. Eldon, what do you say? Create the ERS? You're for it? Somebody would have to administer that if we're going to, especially if we're going

[00:44:50] to expand greatly the use of tariffs and other, you know, taxation of foreign entities in foreign countries. You know, the founders actually debated tariffs quite a bit. And they eventually came to the conclusion that, yes, tariffs are, yes, obviously they're

[00:45:17] a tax, but they're one of the least intrusive upon our liberties. You know, you compare that to an income tax, which is very intrusive upon our liberties, isn't it? Yeah, the term the founders used was direct versus indirect. They didn't want direct taxes that interfered in your personal life. Yep. Yep.

[00:45:42] And they didn't actually per se, they didn't per se outlaw income tax. But what the 16th Amendment said is that it has to, it does not have to depend upon an enumeration or apportionment of each state that the federal government could be empowered

[00:46:05] to just do what is now what they call a progressive income tax and is directly levied to the individual. And it goes up as your income goes up. So that, the 16th Amendment opened up all this social engineering that, of course, is the goal of Marxism, socialism. The founders were very much against what they called leveling at the time, but it was, of course, socialism.

[00:46:35] And just leveling out the income of people through things like the income tax that we have today. So, you know, having an external revenue service, well, somebody has to do it, whatever you want to call it, whether it needs to be a new agency. But don't we already collect tariffs, sir? Yeah, we do. And how do we collect them now? Do we need a new agency, the ERS, to do that?

[00:47:06] Well, that's an interesting question because it's, I guess, a matter of how much are you bringing in? Well, yeah, and the more you bring in, the more nuanced the tariffs are and the more, whatever, people got to administer it. But I'm just saying, are we going to get rid of the IRS and turn that into the ERS? Leave these people alone? Are we going to go ahead and just expand however we're taking the tariffs now? It's already, you know, there's already tariffs. I mean, I'm involved in businesses where I have to deal with tariffs all the time.

[00:47:35] Yeah, I mean, the question is, if you could go two different ways, okay? You could have the, you could have more and more tariffs brought in at the same time you have taxes on the people. And that's a dual income stream, and the government probably likes that, another income stream, and be able to spend more money. But at the same time, the people could look at that and say, you know what? We're bringing in all this money externally.

[00:48:03] How about we phase out the income tax? Well, whatever happens, it's got to be pressure from the people. Well, and whatever happens, it's got to be lower amounts of money to government. That's one thing people are like, well, how are you going to pay for it? The answer is we're going to reduce the expenditures of government substantially, number one. And so we can reduce these taxes. But if you're not very careful, here's my whole point for this.

[00:48:30] If you're not very careful, you're going to end up with an IRS and an ERS, and they're going to get you coming and going, baby. And if you're not very careful, I mean, Donald, under the guise of shaking it up and Doge and everything else, he'll put this in place. We have got to say, fine, take the IRS agents that they all hired, the 87,000, whatever, put them over at the ERS or whatever. We don't need a new government agency, though. I don't know what it would be called or how we collect the tariffs now.

[00:48:57] And do we need a greater, I don't know what you want to say, kind of agency or Gestapo group to do it? Yeah. Yeah. But if we have it internally and externally, I'm telling you right now, it'll be the destruction of our economy entirely. We have got to wisely figure out everything Donald wants to do is create a new agency and spend that I can see. And have you seen anything that he's really got rid of? Yeah.

[00:49:24] His record on fiscal stuff is pretty poor. He just really hasn't wanted to touch that. And so. I mean, he added first round 8 trillion to the debt. You think he'll do that again? He doesn't seem to be pushing back on it on the spending too much. So that's that's the thing. He's kind of caved on that.

[00:49:48] But yeah, if we take the opportunity, if this happens, you know, ERS is created, we're bringing in a bunch of tariffs. Then the people have to insist. You know, you can't argue that, oh, where are we going to do to replace the so-called lost income? Well, OK, we've got a solution for that. Let's get let's finally phase out, get rid of the IRS and the tax.

[00:50:14] Anyway, I just look at this thing and I'm not that happy with everything that I hear from Trump. I mean, I want to boss the IRA pretty soon to be like, yeah, we'll create an external education department. OK, but I don't see how we're taking on the issues at hand here. I understand. We're going to educate the people in India, too. Yeah. How are we going to get rid of all these wars? How are we going to get rid of all these expenditures? And we're just pushing to spend more money and more government and more. Man, Doge, it's a new government agency. Well, it's not really an agency, but it's this.

[00:50:44] And we're going to do the E.I. ERS. And we're going to do. Man, what is reducing? I just can't see what's reducing right now. And, you know, you say, well, Sam, Trump hasn't taken office yet. I get it. We don't have a clue what Trump's going to do on any topic. Really? None. And he's going to be what? Not kind of the weekend elected in just a couple of days. Or I should say inaugurated in a couple of days. Congress has already been at it for 10 plus days. And what are they doing?

[00:51:14] I don't know. It's just a clown show over there. I mean, they show up at noon, leave at five, go on recess. But I don't know. But I don't think they're doing anything over there of any value. Are you? Yeah. I mean, it remains to be seen what Trump would actually do once in office. So at what point do we say it's not yet remained to be seen? Let's ask that kind of question. What time frame will we go? We know what he's done. Do we have to wait the whole four years?

[00:51:44] No. But, you know, strong indications, I would say, is the personnel. Right now we've got a, you know, he's announced so many of these personnel changes and nominations and things. And a lot of these people, we can look at their history and say, you know, probably they'll continue to act similarly if they're, you know, come in office. Yeah, like Pam Bondi and Donald Trump say take the guns first, due process second, for example.

[00:52:14] Yeah, that's a concern, right? So you got to look at that. I don't know. That's, that's, uh, every, there's not perfect people, of course, but, uh, you want to look out for the ones that are real, um, uh, what would you call it? Uh, red flags. Yes.

[00:52:45] Anyway, I don't know. I just look at this thing and I'm, I'm, I'm quite disappointed already. I'm losing faith rapidly and I don't mean to be the negative guy. I don't mean the guy, but I just, uh, this, this idea. Until they get something solid under their belt. I don't have a lot of faith. Give me some hope. I put a solid, something that I can look at and go, you know what? There it is. We're making progress, but just take abortion. We wanted to abolish Roe versus Wade. Never realizing it went downstream to the States.

[00:53:14] Now, even the States that are trying to fight abortion, Hey, they're shipping literally abortion medication across state lines with federal government approval. The States can't stop it. And now you've got murder medication and everybody's home. And we think we've gained ground. Uh, to a certain extent. Yes. But, you know, a lot of people did not realize that getting rid of abortion is much more than, um, uh, you know, overturning Roe versus Wade.

[00:53:44] Uh, but Hey, that is a significant step that this should not be a one size fits all solution. Uh, in our government. Well, and I agree, but we, the people better take steps and take actions to stand for pro-life because before we were born into it, we didn't have any control and it was on the national level. Now that each state has to decide, I believe God's going to measure out according to what we choose folks, pro-life or pro-death.

[00:54:12] And I'm not saying it's a bad thing for us all to decide. I'm saying we're not deciding wisely. And when we turn our backs on God and when we murder the most innocent among us, I don't see how it's going to go well. I want to make America great again, but to do that, it's going to take making America moral again for starters. Just my two cents. Thank you, Eldon Stahl. We appreciate all you do, sir. Oh, thanks so much, Sam. Great to be on and great to chat. John Birch Society. Become a member today. JBS.org. The new American.com.

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