Radio Show Hour 2 – 01/15/2025

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[00:01:10] We talked with gun owners last hour about the GOA-backed constitutional conceal carry reciprocity bill. Let's get that bad boy passed ASAP, shall we please? All right, we've got Steve Stockman, well-known former congressman with us. He's in D.C. now seeking a pardon from President Donald Trump-elect, and we pray that gets done. Welcome, Steve. Thank you for having me again on your show.

[00:01:38] And I used to have one of the staffers over at Gun Owners of America, John Vileko, on my staff. And I'll tell you, GOA, well, besides your show, are the two organizations you should give to. Your radio show and GOA are great use of your dollars. So both organizations are fantastic. And it's always a dry season after Christmas because everybody gives at the year end.

[00:02:07] So I know you're probably running on fumes. But Ben Sanderson, who we had on last hour, and he's the face of the GOA Minuteman YouTube show. It's pretty popular, by the way. The GOA Minuteman Moment Show. So he's also a lead federal lobbyist for Gun Owners of America as well. Gunowners.org, the only non-compromised gun lobby. And they're pushing for this reciprocity bill that I told you about, Steve.

[00:02:37] They're also working on their 2025 2A, Second Amendment legislative agenda. And we commend and support them and the work they're doing. And we wanted to bring that out kind of at the start of the year and say we'll be alongside for the right on that whole agenda to get that done. But, Steve, I'm all over the map right now on the show just talking about topic after topic because there's so many things happening at once that it's really hard to keep an eye on the ball for everything. But Pam Bondi is right now getting grilled. She's testifying today.

[00:03:06] And, you know, Trump wants her to be the attorney general. I can't support her. You know, I don't know what they'll do or not, but I can't support her. She's the one that basically said, hey, take the guns first, due process second. You just can't have that kind of a statement or an idea going on related. It's just crazy. So I can't support her. I would have put up a Michael Perutka, the guy that ran for attorney general in Maryland who's a constitutionalist to the core. That's who I would have put up for this position.

[00:03:36] Steve? Yeah, it's antithetical to the Constitution to say you're going to take guns first. That's the same. If that's, you know, what she said, that's not in the Constitution. And it runs counter to the whole philosophy of the Constitution, just the basic instincts. You can't do that because under that argument, Mao followed that argument. Take the guns away and suppress the people. Hitler did that. It was one of the first things he did.

[00:04:05] And you really, once you do that, their outcomes are horrible. I mean, Venezuela, they're taking away the guns. And you just over and over again, authoritarians do that. And it's wrong for someone that's in authority to suggest that. I'm rather surprised, to tell the truth. That's pretty outrageous. Yeah, I mean, it's outrageous. I wouldn't be too surprised, though. I mean, it's a, you know, we can get her voice that says that I've had all kinds of sound bites.

[00:04:35] I'd have to try to find one of them. But all I can tell you is that that's the problem with the Pan Bondi. Now, the other thing that I want to bring up to you, because I know you're kind of an international specialist when it comes to war and who's what. You know, you take that very seriously as well. And this is very interesting. I want to pick your brain on this. Solving Ukraine will take months. Trump aides now tell Reuters news service. Well, the interesting thing is I got that from Russia today.

[00:05:01] Well, Trump said he could solve the issue in 24 hours when he was on the campaign trail. And now they're saying solving Ukraine will take months. That's what the team closest to Trump told Reuters. I found out through Russia today. But here's the statement that I find the most interesting. And I want to get your take on this. Former Congressman Steve Stockman. Here it is. Donald Trump's election promises that he could end the Ukraine conflict in 24 hours.

[00:05:30] But that now they say was driven by a combination of campaign bluster. And the lack of appreciation of the intractability of the situation there. Now, that's what people closest to President-elect Trump just told Reuters. I found out from Russia today. It's interesting that you don't find out from your own news organizations and domestic. It's weird. But nevertheless, the point is, that's Donald's deal.

[00:05:59] I could solve this in 24 hours on the campaign trail. So now his aides saying it's going to take months. And when asked, wait a minute, Trump said 24 hours. That was campaign bluster. And Trump didn't realize how hard it would be, is what they're saying. Shame on them for this, sir. Yeah, I tend to agree. I put that, when I heard them say that, I said, well, that's the same thing as Biden saying he's not going to pardon his son. You know, it was just a throwaway.

[00:06:29] Sorry? Intentionally known lies. Unfortunately, I think. Trump knows he can't solve that in 24 hours. You can't even get a meeting in 24 hours, probably. Yeah, true. Yeah, that's absolutely true. And furthermore. Now, forget 24 hours. I'm not stuck on that either. My point is, he's making it sound like I can solve that by just snapping my fingers as nothing. Now he's coming back going, it's going to take months and it's really, really, really hard. An honest person would have said that at the start. Look, it's going to take weeks to months.

[00:06:59] It's really hard to get done. But I do believe I can accomplish it. After all, I am the art of the deal, guys. So come on. But, you know, I think I can get this done. That's a big difference, truth-telling statement, rather than, boom, I can solve this in 24 hours. Now, I hope it takes weeks, not months. And at this stage, I support Trump in negotiations. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying I don't like this idea, this hyperbole to the extreme. Tori, you don't even know what you can count on. Is that true on the border now, too?

[00:07:26] Well, we can't really deport people because, golly, you know, it was campaign bluster. And I didn't realize it would be hard to deport all those people there. Well, he's already walked that back. Right? He's already walked that back. So what are we going to end up with, sir? He came out and said, basically paraphrasing them, they're going to only do convicted criminals first, which apparently there's over a million of them that have not been deported under Biden.

[00:07:53] But the first thing they're going to do is shut down the border, which I think they can do that relatively easy. Because 93 executive orders were vetoed or reversed under Biden. So I got to just reinstate those. But the mass deportation, which so many people really want them to do, I don't think it can be done right now because that would take legislation and money and everything.

[00:08:19] And I think that was also campaign bluster, to be honest with you. I'd be surprised. I want to be wrong. I agree with you 100%. And I'm not bringing this up to attack anybody. I'm bringing this up because Elon Musk said at Doge he was going to cut $2 trillion. He's already backed away from that and said, well, I might get a trillion. Well, when you do that before you start negotiating, sir, you've already dropped the top number in half. Yeah, and the thing is, I told someone.

[00:08:48] Now you're not even going to get a trillion, sir. He cut, what, 80% of staff at Twitter? Yeah, but I think he's realized he got a buzzsaw in government where there's all kinds of rules and legalities and complications. Yeah, exactly. That's his private company. It's not the same deal, people. He could cut $5 trillion if it was his, if the government was his. Maybe so. But I believe Rand Paul single-handedly put a trillion on the table. Yeah. I think, how many pages was it? It was quite a few pages.

[00:09:18] It was actually, yeah. For Rand Paul's thing? Yeah. Yeah, it was just a report release showing what he believed was just pork in government that could be shut down fairly easily. But, you know, why would you sit down if you're Elon Musk and start the negotiations by saying, yeah, I know I said when we were running for office $2 trillion. But now that we'll probably look maybe a trillion. I don't think $2 trillion. You've already lost your discussion points. You've already lost. I would have said, hey, man, I'm making it $4 trillion now.

[00:09:47] Maybe we'll settle on three or two and a half. But you've already made your top number a trillion. You'll be lucky to save a half a trillion dollars, which in the end of the day is not enough to do much. It's better than nothing. But I wouldn't call it doge. I wouldn't call it the Republican Revolution that we're looking for or anything like that in any stretch of the imagination. So now let me get this right. You back away from being able to stop the wars. Now you're going to back away from what? What? I got to tell you.

[00:10:17] This idea that we're not going to pardon anybody now, too? Are we going to back away from that? It was like, well, we're going to pardon 50 and call it good? Yeah. Well, they're going to do what's from what I understand. I don't know. This is, you know, talk, but they're talking about commuting instead of partying. And I can tell you a commutation is not the same as the part because that leaves the door wide open for the DAG. You still got the first one and you're still fighting for your life on the second one is the point right now. Steve Stockman with us. Hang tight.

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[00:13:05] We're talking about all kinds of things where there's a lot of promises, and those promises are evaporating so fast, it is shocking. And I'm not trying to attack anybody. I'm not trying to turn on Donald. I'm trying to basically say, listen, let's make these promises serious. Let's hold them to them. Let's, okay? That's what I'm talking about. So here's Pam Bondi. Listen to what she says when she's with Donald Trump, Steve, and then we'll talk about it. It's a little bit long, but pay attention. Here it is.

[00:13:35] Very talented people around this table to just introduce themselves quickly and say a few words, and maybe we can start off with Pam Bondi. Pam, thank you. I'm Pam Bondi, Attorney General of Florida. And Mayor, thank you. I know you're going through a lot now. President, she was there that night with me. I think you were there with me until 3.30 in the morning when all these families were being notified, and it was horrific. So I know you've been through a lot. So thank you so much. Sure. Great job.

[00:14:05] I have a couple issues that I'll wait. Do I'm talking about them now? Talk about them. You can talk. Well, one, it addresses some of the things you said. In Florida, it's called the Baker Act, but it's our Civil Commitment Act, and it's weak. And it's about 1,000 pages long, and I've had my Solicitor General on it for four days, three days now working on it. We're rewriting it along with Governor Scott, who you're going to meet with him. He's going to give you a ton of good information.

[00:14:31] We've been rewriting it, and we are going to bring in something called the Gun Violence Restraining Order. So if someone is civilly committed, and typically you can hold them for up to 72 hours, but people are getting out within 24 hours, the majority of them. So what we want to do is let law enforcement come in and take the guns. Good. They're a danger to themselves or others. Which you can't do right now. Well, because without being adjudicated. So because they're a danger to themselves.

[00:14:57] You want them to take the guns and not go through six months of legal trials and everything else. Exactly. But we also have to give the mentally ill the due process in which they deserve, President. So what we're doing is they're going to be able to take the guns when they're taken into custody or into the hospital, and then when they're released within 24 hours or 72 hours later, typically it's 24 hours, but law enforcement will have 72 hours to determine whether they

[00:15:26] should give those guns back or they can go to a judge and say, Your Honor, please keep these guns. We feel this person is still a danger to himself or others. So this would not have worked the way it's currently constituted? This would not have worked with Cruz as it's currently constituted? As it's currently written. So you're going to make changes? We're going to make changes, and one other thing we're doing about the reporting, President, which is huge. This is a big issue.

[00:15:54] We need a clearinghouse, and that's what we've all been discussing. And we have created, and several of my counterparts have done it around the country, but we're the biggest state doing it. It's an app, because kids now are on social media. And there were so many warning signs on Snapchat, on Twitter, on Instagram, and they were posting them. They were sending them, but to all different sources. We're going to have, and we just got it written in our House and Senate budget. It'll cost at least half a million dollars a year to fund this.

[00:16:22] But what it does, kids, and so I met with 10 students, and they loved it. And they said, I'm empowering them. Three of them are my graphic designers. They're going to design the icon. Some are going to name it. They're helping us with it. But it'll cost probably about $100,000 maximum to develop. That's all in our budget. So what kids can do now, they can automatically send something that says, I'm going to buy a gun, just like Cruz was doing. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this.

[00:16:49] And one of the girls who I met with, one of the students, told me he had been doing this since middle school. He had bullied her. And she reported it. So it will all, they can instantly, and they can do it with anonymity. Put it in this app. It'll go in the app, and it'll go to one clearinghouse with state law enforcement in Florida. Well, you mentioned the internet. We have to look at the internet because a lot of bad things are happening to young kids and young minds, and their minds are being formed.

[00:17:16] And we have to do something about maybe what they're seeing and how they're seeing it, and also video games. I'm hearing more and more people say the level of violence on video games is really shaping young people's thoughts. And then you go the further step, and that's the movies. You see these movies. They're so violent. And yet a kid is able to see the movie if sex isn't involved, but killing is involved. And maybe they have to put a rating system for that.

[00:17:44] And you get into a whole very complicated, very big deal. But the fact is that you are having movies come out that are so violent with the killing and everything else that maybe that's another thing we're going to have to discuss. And a lot of people are saying it. You have these movies today where you can go and have a child see the movie, and yet it's so violent and so disgusting. So we may have to talk about that also. Well, thank you very much, Pam. Thanks, Pam. Thank you very much, Jeff. Well, it's much better. All right. There you go.

[00:18:14] We can stop it there. So I want you to think about that. I mean, basically, she said we're going to basically take the guns. You know what? We have 24 to 72 hours to decide if we're going to give them back to you. What year was that, Cass? What year was it? I can't remember. It was a couple of years ago. I mean, she referred to it as Governor Scott. Governor Scott has not been governor for quite some time. I'd have to look up. Maybe it was 17. I mean, it's relatively recent, though.

[00:18:44] It's not like 40 years ago or something like that, right? I'd have to look it up exactly when. But the point I'm driving at is that's what she basically said. And there is a spot where she literally says, yes, take the guns first, do process second. I haven't found that. Well, I'm worried also about the database she's talking about. But here's my point, though. They're going to have a database with law enforcement. They're going to give an app to kids to report on one another. And so I just report and say, Steve's a dangerous person. You've got to grab him. Boom. They come grab Steve. They take away his guns. They've got 72 hours to decide if they're going to give your guns back, Steve.

[00:19:13] You think they're giving them back to you? Oh, you can't have them right now anyway, because of the fraudulent actions against you, right? Yeah. I want to know if she followed up on that. That would be interesting because creating a database like that, it comes sounds innocuous until it's used against you. And it always expands. Every time there's a database, they always expand it. And it's really horrible. In fact, they did this with the no-fly list.

[00:19:43] They have so many people on a no-fly list now, it's really difficult to find out who's actually should be on that list. I mean, they put me on it and they put some other people on it. A lot of the J6ers are on it. And it's, you know, mothers that are nonviolent. You had Antifa breaking the windows, yet every pro-Trump person is getting blamed for what Antifa, it clearly was Antifa. And they bragged about it. One of the Antifa people go, we did it, we did it.

[00:20:13] And from what I understand, this, what she just said, is a foundation which we oppose. I mean, it's something that Democrats propose all the time, and we fight in Congress and everywhere else to stop it. And so it was kind of unusual to hear that coming from an about, or what she claims being about, conservative. It's really alarming.

[00:20:43] Sorry, my mic was muted there. Thanks, Steve. You're still there. So, you know, I don't know where we go with some of these people. I don't know. What do you expect from the administration? Do you really think we'll get the pardons we hope for, for J6ers and people like you and Tina Peters? And, I mean, I'm starting to get a big list, sir, of people that need pardons. And I'm starting to get a big list of people that are getting passes. You know, is Joe Biden and Hunter going to get a pass? What about the criminals that went after us all?

[00:21:10] Well, you know, I could tell you on July, January 20th, I would not be surprised at 8 o'clock in the morning that Biden signs a pardon for a free pardons, Jack Smith, and that loser congresswoman from Wyoming, Liz Cheney, all getting these pardons. But we need to go after Jack Smith and Liz Cheney, especially for their involvement in all kinds of things. I know. If he pardons them, this would be really the biggest crime Biden commits.

[00:21:40] Again and again, he's protecting. If you look at the list of people that he's done, he's done pedophiles. He did Chinese spies. He's done everything in the book possibly that would, you know, be horrible that no one would want to pardon. He's doing the dregs, a lot of the dregs of society that he's letting go. It's pretty outrageous. Well, I don't expect it to change anytime soon. And the problem that I see here is, you know,

[00:22:09] I think that all the bad guys are going to walk. All the good guys are going to continue to get prosecuted and abused and everything else, you know. Unfortunately, I think you're right. Like what do they call them? Commutations. That's what you got. It's not. Yeah, I got a commutation. Joe doesn't do commutations. He just goes all the way to full pardon for everybody. Right. Well, no, he does both. He's done both. But still, it's it's really. I'm just joking because the worse the crime is,

[00:22:37] the more he's likely to pardon, not commute the sentence. Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. But where are we going to go, though? Is Trump going to be real on this? Is he going to really pardon the right people? I mean, are we going to be serious about this? Well, we got a lot of people praying that he will. But I suggested, in fact, I wrote an article about this, is that on Fridays, which represents, you know, when Christ was on the cross, he pardoned one of the convicted criminals.

[00:23:06] I thought on Friday he should start every Friday pardoning people that are wrongfully in prison. There's a lot of political prisoners in prison that I met, and they need to be let go. I mean, an African-American I met in there who switched parties and then started attacking Obama, they found trumped up charges to get him in trouble. And it's because he left the plantate, the Democrat plantation.

[00:23:31] That's the biggest threat to Democrats is if blacks realize and say, hey, we're being used and abused and we're not getting anything from it. And so they'll quickly go after an African-American pretty quick that turns into a conservative. It's pretty alarming, actually. All right. When we come back, I'm going to play another Donald Trump clip on this gun thing. This is really important, people, as they take office.

[00:23:59] You got to be really watchful that they don't try to destroy our gun rights. And when you're starting to talk about putting Pam Bondi in place and some of these other clowns, your gun rights are in serious question. Oh, did you know the GOA wrote a document telling you why Pam Bondi's got a Second Amendment problem? There's an article about that, too, written by gun owners. Just thought you should know. All right. Hang tight. When we get back, we'll play this talk to Steve Stockman more. We're hoping for a pardon for our dear friend Steve Stockman.

[00:24:27] Donald Trump, hashtag, are you listening, sir? We really need your help on this one, my friend. And I don't mean to attack you in office. What I mean to do is take these windows of opportunity, try to keep our agenda on the rails. All right. All right. Hang tight. Quick pause. Liberty Roundtable live. Protecting your liberties. You're listening to Liberty News Radio.

[00:24:59] News this hour from townhall.com. I'm Rich Thomason. With President-elect Trump due to take office next week, the Senate schedule is packed with confirmation hearings for his cabinet nominees. Attorney General Pick Pam Bondi is before the Senate Judiciary Committee this morning, vowing to restore confidence and integrity to the Justice Department. She identifies her priorities, as including the prosecution of violent crime in gangs.

[00:25:26] Also today, hearings for nominees, Kristi Noem for Homeland Security Secretary, and Marco Rubio for Secretary of State. Another round of dangerous fire weather today for Southern California. National Weather Service meteorologist Todd Hall in California. We're still looking at critical fire weather conditions. The wildfire is killing more than two dozen and destroying thousands of homes and buildings. We're going to have some better conditions for late weekend.

[00:25:52] Winds are forecast to switch between Thursday and Friday, blowing from the coast to the desert, bringing more moisture, but presenting challenges on top of what already exists given the topography. Officials warning residents to be ready in case of additional evacuations. I'm Julie Walker. Poland's prime minister accusing Russia of plotting acts of sabotage worldwide, including acts of terror against airlines. President Biden lifting Cuba's designation as a state sponsor of terrorism.

[00:26:20] The move by the outgoing administration to ease sanctions is part of a deal facilitated by the Catholic Church to free political prisoners on the island. According to senior officials, many dozens of political prisoners and others considered by the United States to be unjustly detained would be released at noon next Monday, Inauguration Day. Back in 2017, then-President Trump toughened the U.S. posture toward Cuba, and Joe Biden's decision could be reversed as early as next week, with Donald Trump back in the White House.

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[00:30:13] Casting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen, Sam Bushman, Steve Stockman on your radio. Hard-hitting news the network refused to use always when we're on the radio. I'll tell you that right now. Um, listen, this is a serious problem, this Pam Bondi thing. When you get Trump and Bondi in a room, it doesn't go well.

[00:30:43] Here's Trump on your right to keep and bear arms. Listen up. We're going to get this done in a bipartisan manner. I'm not even worried about 60 votes. I think you underestimate the power of the gun lobby. No, no, I'll tell you what. The reason I had lunch with the NRA on Sunday, and I called him, I said, you got to come over. I said, fellas, we got to do something. And they do have great power. I agree with that. They have great power over you people. They have less power over me. I don't need it. I don't, what do I need? It takes so long to go to court,

[00:31:11] to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida. He had a lot of fires. They saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you're saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second. There's your quote, Jagan McDowell. Again, here's, I don't know how you, I don't know how it's a way.

[00:31:40] So that was Trump saying, but Pam Bondi, I've heard her say it in a meeting with Trump too, and I can't find all the clips, but you've got Trump saying that, Bondi basically virtually saying that in the other clip, and Bondi said it blatantly like that first. But this idea of it takes too long to go to court, we're going to create a database of kids, you know, ratting on one another. You know, I went to jail for 10 years because the FBI and my buddy in school snitched on me. We used to take hunting rifles to school

[00:32:08] in the back of our pickups and racks, and we'd go to school and never even touch the gun, but it was just life. Now we've gotten to this idea that they want to mentally evaluate you and have a mental plan and take the guns for 24 to 72 hours, take the guns first, do process second, and then we'll decide if they're going to give the guns back. They made that point. This kind of stuff worries me, Steve Stockman. Yeah, in fact, that bill actually passed, and you can thank John Cornyn, who thankfully didn't get any power.

[00:32:38] I mean, he's still in the Senate. I don't know if he's going to run again, but John Cornyn's the one that put that gun control bill through, and it's an abomination. They need to repeal it, and I just, yeah, that's pretty disturbing. I was upset when that thing passed. It was a knee-jerk reaction. I'd like to sit down with Donald Trump with several sheriffs, which I could make happen in a heartbeat. I could get me and 20 sheriffs and the man who beat Bill Clinton

[00:33:08] at the Supreme Court over the Brady Bill, Richard Mack, with us, and we could all sit down and talk about this and just say, President, I know what you're saying, but you've got to understand if you have multiple prosecutions of crimes, people are already felons and they can't have guns anyway, but you can't just do due process first. I mean, due process second and take the guns away first. Okay, you can't violate people's free speech rights. You can't, okay, I'd like to sit down with President Trump on that, but you and I, you needing a pardon from Steve, or I mean Steve, needing a pardon

[00:33:38] from Donald Trump right now, you'd love to sit down and make sure he's aware of the circumstances so that he can appropriately make a pardon. The problem is you can't sit down with Trump, neither can I, but hey, Monica, and Joe, morning Joe, Joe Scarborough, okay, he can do it. He can sit down with Trump at a moment's notice. Calls him up, hey man, coming on down to Mar-a-Lago, are you going to be there? Cool, we'll eat lunch and hang out and they did that in less than 24 hours, speaking of the less than 24 hours quote, right? So,

[00:34:07] what gives Steve? I, so often, I see a lot of people that attack Trump, particularly the last time he served, he put people and listened to like Rice, you know, the former, I guess she was the UN, Condoleezza Rice, he trashed him throughout the whole thing, was giving advice who he should put in different positions, which is kind of ironic

[00:34:36] because here's a woman that was trashing him and he ended up, that's how he ended up picking the former head of Exxon to be the Department of State and then he realized his mistake and he got rid of the guy but it is wrong to, people that treat you wrong like that, they're not going to treat you better when you're in office, they'll undermine you, they always will and yet he's still trusting a lot of these people. So why is he hanging out with Joe and, you know, this clown? Well,

[00:35:06] Joe used to be a congress critter that many people don't realize and he wasn't the same as he is on TV at all, right? No, in fact, I serve him. He represented what we call the Redneck Riviera, it's up in the panhandle there, it's a really pretty area and, in fact, that's where, what you call it, represented, the one that was going to be our former, was going to be Attorney General Gates and he had to step down but that area is very nice, a great district, very conservative, actually in a different

[00:35:36] time zone in the rest of Florida and he undermined conservatives but by and large he got up there and just railed against liberalism and it was shocking. I almost think I would like to go on, if I ever were on a show I'd get some of those quotes that he said and try to change it but he was also, there's something going on because he got in trouble with a mysterious case in which his girlfriend died and he ended up hiring a Clinton attorney and that's when he

[00:36:05] flipped to the dark side so I don't know if there was Usually I can make a difference wherever I'm found. Yeah. I don't know how she died or what happened. Yeah, women die around us quite often. Yeah. They don't talk when that happens just so you know. When I started going after Hillary, Dana Roebuck was a great congressman from California, a really good guy. He said, Steve, you better stop me so you'll either end up in prison or in prison or kill because you don't

[00:36:34] know the Clintons and actually I do know the Clintons. I served on the Lightwater Committee in the 90s under Jim Lynch and that's where the Clintons first started not loving me. It's a little crazy so I don't know about President Trump I just think you're going to meet with Joe and Joe was supposedly conservative in Congress he's liberal as all get out now he's back swung conservative because he's got to be in Donald's good graces he's kind of seen the light or whatever this guy would literally publicly using the mainstream

[00:37:04] liberal media call Donald Trump Hitler and stuff right? I mean this guy is okay and I'm just saying and now they're going to sit down together but yet former congressman Steve Stockman who wanted to create accountability on Lois Lerner over at the IRS for her criminal activity who exposed all kind of things in Congress you're not going to sit down and talk with Stevie's in Washington right now and you're not going to sit down with the leaders of the Constitutional Sheriff's and Peace Officers Association the ones who know more about the Constitutional Sheriffing in the

[00:37:34] country even more than Bill Clinton that's why Richard Mack won and Bill Clinton lost and Trump's not going to sit down with any of us but yet he'll sit down with these clowns something is wrong and that's what you know people could say all day well no Sam we see it this way or we see it that way but to me that's where the buck stops it's who you will meet with you won't meet with a former congressman that was ready to take down Lois Lerner Lois Lerner and her compadres are the ones that have been attacking Donald from the IRS releasing his own private tax

[00:38:03] returns and everything else right I mean you would think Donald would have a bone in this fight too Steve yeah I think I don't know understand his logic and some of this stuff and I can't speak to his motives but I'm hoping that he's you know committed to the agenda for which he you know portrays but I don't know the second term you know there's there's no

[00:38:33] you know he doesn't have to run it for re-election so I don't know you're a lame duck if you will and you can do whatever you want to without repercussions I mean it might have downstream repercussions on your party but individually or whatever else that's all gone right I think he's only got unfortunately he was elected for four years but I think he's got one year to do the whole agenda which means it's going to be very very challenging yeah but congress hasn't even done anything in the first six days the debt ceiling is about to hit us now we're battling over Pam Bondi for crying out loud I mean I don't know

[00:39:02] solving Ukraine is going to take months that's going to take at least as you told me on the break you think that's going to take at least a year to do so I mean we're not even getting close Steve yeah you watch when we I was in office during the you know the hundred days of contract with America and what we did and it's funny because Newt Gingrich is purporting something different but what we did is we kicked out bill after bill after bill and passed them individually and

[00:39:32] we never I mean we literally um because they were voting like three in the morning to get all these votes done and so some of us myself included end up sleeping in our offices or even on the floor and uh at that time Tom DeLay great whip from Texas um cooked up food and stuff so we didn't even have a time to leave to eat but we went into his office to eat well that's what I think they should do now but according to Mike Johnson

[00:40:02] this guy's he's putting one big beautiful bill that he's working on he's going to send it to Donald by Memorial Day and they're going to go ahead and to me that's the recipe for disaster isn't it well that's what I'm one of the unusual persons I don't agree with that but you know they know something I don't know but if you recall uh Schwarzenegger tried the same thing where he put it in one big beautiful bill and it had to have a voter's consent and so it united all the

[00:40:32] opposition because he put everything in there right why don't you just do single issue bills that's what I'm telling Mike Johnson anyway you got a chance to be with Mike Johnson the other day right well yeah I gave it well yes all right we'll talk about that in just a second hang tight quick pause come back uh Mike Johnson Steve Stockman meet in DC we'll tell you about it hopefully it'll bear fruit have you ever had great honey no I mean really good

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[00:43:05] all right back with you live steve stockman with me we were talking about this idea that a he wants to be pardoned and he's got all kinds of paperwork showing his innocence showing the truth of the matter when they literally barbecued him and turned him into a political prisoner that was a disgrace to say the least but he got a commutation from trump which means hey they suspend the sentence but it still hangs over you like a dark cloud what you really need as a pardon steve asking for that from president trump uh

[00:43:34] now but you're able to meet with mike johnson in your effort to get this information to trump maybe you need to go to joe scarborough he can help you he can get to the donald's right anyway but you went to mike johnson and how'd it go sir well i was just briefly i hand him off a packet describing uh the commutation just lets you out of prison the sentence actually still there and it gives the doj great latitude in fact i i think that once you're sentenced the doj should no longer have anything to

[00:44:04] do with it because they also run the prison so they can end up punishing individual political prisoners themselves and i think they really need to separate the prison out from from people that prosecute you it's really quite evil that they still have control of you and and that's what they've done to man particularly lois learner who was had the rs the rs is also uh still active so it's it's a

[00:44:32] it's a very great concern for me and for anybody else that just got a commutation that if you're a political prisoner i think if you look at a lot of these people like bannon and others who have been um you know convicted or whatever and then uh the president's pardon they end up still getting harassed and and try they try to still throw him in jail which by the way you're going to watch republicans will not do that to the people that i mean i

[00:44:59] hope they would but they won't you know like if it was hunter was a republican they would they would uh keep going after him even after biden gave him a pardon which by the way they won't do that to the democrats though that's the point that i have is that the republicans have no guts no well yeah i mean whether the problem is the democrats have no ethics and they're they do some stuff that's outright just what they did to me was criminal i broke the

[00:45:29] law to uh really put me in jail i mean violate a lot of my individual rights and stuff and they they have no qualms about that well wasn't the same guy jack smith involved so see in my mind you take a jack smith you use a steve stockman case and you use a donald trump case and you say listen we're going to prosecute this clown of the fools extended the law we're going to sue this sucker this can't happen yeah i agree well he actually at the end of the case of robert eberley one prosecutor said to his other prosecutors he said uh oh

[00:45:58] this is great stuff we can use against trump and they end up actually using some of the stuff in my case uh it was it was so similar in so many ways i mean they started out with just charging a few charges then they stack the charges it's all it's all wrong and then they have this idea that no matter what we'll get you on something if we throw enough spaghetti against the wall something will stick and something whatever i mean in trump's case they didn't no jury members agreed even on a single specific charge enough to convict him but yet they went ahead anyway to make your

[00:46:28] point right yep yep yeah it's pretty bad and it's getting worse similar thing to you they basically leaned on all kinds of witnesses and jury tampered manipulated and tampered with witnesses to the point where they got you over and over and over and over i mean is that really what happened yeah it took it took uh four years four grand juries by the way if you're if you're guilty it doesn't take four grand juries for i don't care what you do it's ridiculous it took four

[00:46:56] grand juries 22 million dollars in over four years in fact i'm going on my 12th year of prosecution and persecution by the doj and and actually you know i went after lois learn she wrote the memo she's an attorney um and she wrote the memo on how to prosecute conservative non-profits and i think uh one of these non-profit organizations uh uh tom tom over

[00:47:25] there fenton uh has the actual memo of uh lois learn how to prosecute and i i would hope that tom would i wish he would send it out to every single conservative non-profit it's pretty alarming uh non-profits can be easily prosecuted as i found out real easy anybody any any church any non-profit can be taken and be charged with a felony because they have such a narrow scope of operation based on their laws and

[00:47:54] guidelines and reporting and the list goes on and on i mean it's complex it's like taking it well yeah but fraud is public equivalent it's complicated right but fraud is not determined by the church it's not determined by the non-profit it's determined by the people prosecuting you so anything you do if you say well we're going to buy drape red drapes and they said no you bought blue drapes you just committed in their eyes a felony because you didn't spend the money the way they thought so then they charge you with with fraud

[00:48:23] because you fraudulently said one color you bought another and then any checks you got towards the grape it's called drapes was called money laundry and wire fraud so you can real quickly add it up and that's what they do they did similar to trump they created the you know they create it seems like they always use the federal election commission in fact that the one in new york they use the federal election commission and it wasn't even a federal case it was a new york state case they don't have jurisdiction over federal law and

[00:48:52] yet the supreme court voted uh to allow that occurring and that's just it's unbelievable that i'm disappointed in our supreme court justice that we're reluctant and i mean we're we're put up there by trump that turned around and you know voted that way and they Amy Cormac barrett seems to keep voting that way all right what's your hashtag on twitter and everywhere else you are steve sorry

[00:49:21] what's your hashtag wherever you where people can find you now oh it's at at steve the number four steve works for you and all written out except for the word for is a number for steve works for you at sign steve uh-huh works w-r-k-s for y-o-u number four yeah well right there you have it folks steve works for you and it really

[00:49:50] though you know you're a political prisoner still and i know that you've got a committed sentence but you're still a political prisoner until you're completely free right yep yeah i still i can't vote and i can't uh own a uh a gun to name just a few first due process second you know and i got financial restrictions i can't my question is why would this hang over your head forever now is that justifiable see what a fully informed

[00:50:18] jury does ladies and gentlemen is they judge the law as much as they judge the breaking of the law to say hey you know what um whether you even claim steve did or didn't do this or that making him a felon making it to where he can't have a gun for the rest of his life making it to where he can't vote i guess you could still run for office though right yeah but i can't vote for myself yeah see that's what i'm talking it's like what on earth is happening okay trump needs to

[00:50:45] understand this help steve and then we need to go to work to change this ladies and gentlemen all the good guys are getting the passes and the bad guys i'm sorry all the bad guys are getting the passes and all the good guys are just languishing wondering what and when waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting all right now it looks like ted nugent got a front row seat at the inauguration but he decided that he didn't want to go because he listens to when

[00:51:09] we uh at the cspo have an open call for a security-minded humble trump inauguration and uh carrie underwood's gonna be there the village people's gonna be there this thing is huge um but ted nugent by the way said i don't know that i want to sit there it's too dangerous um we're making a mistake to hold this big pump event steve do you want to speak to that are you gonna be at the inauguration are you getting a front row seat i don't know i do not have a front

[00:51:36] row seat um it's also the low i think that day is gonna be 12 degrees which is about it's gonna be as cold as it was in that year that reagan got sworn in where it was real cold and um it's not just worried about security but you know the temperature's gonna be really cold and to sit there for two three hours you gotta remember you gotta wait in line and everything else to get in oh yeah it's huge i i think what they ought to do is just have a humble one swear it in do it on the biggest event

[00:52:05] in the world on tv and new media taking center stage and change the way the press corps works dismiss all those clowns and have a national press corps from good why is ted nugent yeah why is ted nugent not gone i'm curious i just told you he believes it's too big of a security threat and he thinks it's unwise really wow and i agree with him and this is i don't mean to you could say well nothing let's say we get through it in a few days and nothing happens then they'll say see sam there was nothing to it my

[00:52:31] response is you're lucky don't don't count don't put that in my face it and abundance of caution in this case is the wise course no one can argue with that if they're really security minded and so i'm not going to back way even if it is peaceful i'll be by the grace of god did you get released from prison and by the grace of god does it go smoothly i pray that's true but at the same time i don't think it's security from a security point of view i don't think it's wise it just doesn't make any sense

[00:52:57] well i have a lot of friends that are in the cryptocurrency business or activity or space whatever and um they're all almost all of them are leaving on the 19th which is the day before the swearing in i mean they're going to a lot of these functions and stuff but they're not staying for the for the same reason that they're concerned they just don't see this uh somewhere that's well what happens if it goes south what if there is another kind of insurrection or uh enemies that take

[00:53:27] advantage of something and blame it on us and everything else i mean look we reported yesterday that trump uh in january the 6th trump didn't just offer military protection at the capitol he ordered it and he was disobeyed by his own acting defense secretary a guy by the name of christopher miller literally defied trump's orders and but yet that's a fact that just came out

[00:53:56] uh and and i look at that and i go what on earth steve um how come we didn't know that the last four years so see trump doesn't have control of that and then the cia made their mistakes or the fbi and trump almost got assassinated and trump can't trust these people steve final word you got about 10 seconds well we you're absolutely right listen to this show and pardon steve stockman thank you so much god bless you amen prayers are with you sir keep me posted we'll keep an eye on the ball just for

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