Radio Show Hour 1 – 12/04/2024

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West.

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[00:00:24] All right.

[00:00:26] Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans, Sam Bushman live on your radio.

[00:00:31] Hard-hitting news the networks refuse to use, no doubt, starts now.

[00:00:35] This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for December the 4th in the year of our Lord, 2024.

[00:00:41] This is Hour 1 of 2, and the goal always to protect life, liberty, and property,

[00:00:46] to promote God, family, and country, and to do so on your radio in the traditions of our founding fathers.

[00:00:51] Yes, indeed, ladies and gentlemen, we use the Blueprint for Liberty,

[00:00:54] the Constitution for the United States of America as our guide.

[00:00:56] We reject revolution unless it's the Jesus Revolution,

[00:00:58] and then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:01:00] And as you know, the checks and balances brilliantly put in place by the founding fathers,

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[00:01:06] James Edwards with me.

[00:01:08] Race, politics, and hypocrisy of the 21st century.

[00:01:11] The political cesspool.org.

[00:01:13] He breaks it all down just for you.

[00:01:14] He's the author of a book called Racism, Spacism,

[00:01:17] that, by the way, ought to be updated in the modern era, that's for sure,

[00:01:19] but it's an incredible book, nevertheless.

[00:01:22] And he does an award-winning broadcast every Saturday night, three hours.

[00:01:25] It is considered my Saturday Night Live.

[00:01:27] I'll tell you that right now.

[00:01:28] And you can't sue me for that as my opinion to which I'm entitled,

[00:01:31] but there you have it.

[00:01:32] James Edwards with me.

[00:01:33] Welcome to the broadcast, sir.

[00:01:34] Always good to be with you, Sam, and especially this transitional week post-Thanksgiving,

[00:01:40] getting into the Christmas season.

[00:01:42] Definitely have a little more pep in my step as a result of us being now into December

[00:01:47] and the special time of hope and goodwill and focusing on Christ.

[00:01:51] And it's just been a wonderful year.

[00:01:53] It's for us here on the network, both of our programs.

[00:01:56] By the way, you had asked me something, Sam, if I may say this, a few days ago,

[00:02:01] and I don't know if I got back in touch with you personally on it,

[00:02:04] but I sure checked it out, and I want everyone else to do the same.

[00:02:08] There have been some great upgrades at LibertyRoundtable.com.

[00:02:13] Sam's doing these LRT videos now, and this is what I wanted to tell you, Sam, personally.

[00:02:18] We'll just share it with the entire audience.

[00:02:21] But the production quality of these videos is incredible,

[00:02:25] the way these graphics come in to reinforce what Sam's talking about.

[00:02:29] They're short, they're punchy, they're shareable.

[00:02:32] And I think this was the year, Sam, you've been talking about new media taking center stage for so long,

[00:02:38] but I think this was obviously the year with the most recent election where alternative news,

[00:02:42] if you even want to call it that, has supplanted the legacy-controlled press.

[00:02:47] And so with this happening to make great upgrades where everything looks better,

[00:02:53] where everything's more functional, it's just people should check it out, LibertyRoundtable.com.

[00:02:57] It's great stuff.

[00:02:58] Amen to that.

[00:02:59] I appreciate your kind words.

[00:03:01] I don't get credit for the production on this.

[00:03:03] I'm not the video guy, but I will say this.

[00:03:06] I've got a great team that's doing a phenomenal job.

[00:03:12] I'm grateful for all their work, all that's being done.

[00:03:16] There's several people involved in the project.

[00:03:18] As you know, video is not like radio, James.

[00:03:21] Sometimes it takes a lot of people to get this stuff done.

[00:03:24] Oh, yes.

[00:03:25] Oh, yeah.

[00:03:26] Well, whoever's doing it, I've got to say, because we do this professionally,

[00:03:32] and whoever's doing yours, it's as good as anything I've seen out there.

[00:03:36] I love it.

[00:03:36] In fact, we've been doing a little bit of comparison with some of the big boys out there

[00:03:40] to see how we compare and stuff like that, and I think we're really starting to take care of it.

[00:03:44] And, you know, people have asked me to do videos for a long time,

[00:03:46] and the reason I didn't do videos for the first longest time isn't because I'm afraid of it,

[00:03:51] isn't because I don't know how, but it's because I can't see.

[00:03:54] I'm a blind person.

[00:03:56] And so unless I can get the absolute staff that can do it affordably

[00:03:59] and do it appropriately quickly and all this kind of stuff and do it to my satisfaction,

[00:04:03] I don't want to come out of the gate doing it kind of half A, pardon the phrase,

[00:04:07] but, you know, there you go.

[00:04:08] I don't want to do it partially.

[00:04:09] And the problem with it is, James, a lot of these people just basically, you know,

[00:04:13] have a camera on themselves or they do their whole radio shows on video,

[00:04:17] and I'm just like, you know what?

[00:04:18] I don't want people just sitting looking at Sam in the studio watching Sam for two hours.

[00:04:22] I mean, that's just not only is it boring, but it's just it's degrading for everyone.

[00:04:27] Okay, I'm not that important.

[00:04:29] And, you know, so I didn't want to do it.

[00:04:32] And then when I decided I'm going to do shorts, I thought, okay, shorts are great,

[00:04:35] but, man, it just takes so much production value to get the footage that you need

[00:04:39] to kind of back what you're saying.

[00:04:41] Man, it's just time-consuming and expensive.

[00:04:43] Well, I finally assembled the team, the people, the technology, the AI,

[00:04:47] all the different things to really make that happen.

[00:04:50] And so now we've got videos out.

[00:04:52] We're starting to do several videos.

[00:04:53] We started out with a couple a week.

[00:04:54] We'll be eventually increasing to maybe four or five videos a week kind of a stuff on top of that.

[00:04:59] Let me just give you a couple of the video headlines to kind of double down on James's point here.

[00:05:04] In defense of Alex Jones and the sacred right of free speech.

[00:05:08] That's the latest one.

[00:05:10] In defense of Alex Jones and the sacred right of free speech.

[00:05:13] And it's kind of partly about Alex Jones, but it's more about free speech.

[00:05:17] Defending free speech.

[00:05:19] Alex Jones.

[00:05:20] Infowars.

[00:05:21] And the auction controversy.

[00:05:23] Sam Bushman takes a stand in defense of Alex Jones.

[00:05:26] Anyway, it goes on.

[00:05:27] But I'm really talking about free speech and really talking about your rights.

[00:05:30] Anyway, there that is.

[00:05:32] Well, and I'll say, too, you know, Sam, people prefer to receive their knowledge through different forms of media.

[00:05:39] Some people like to read.

[00:05:40] Some people, you've certainly got the radio program down.

[00:05:44] You've been doing it for almost 30 years.

[00:05:45] But I think complementing all of that with short videos, you know, just a couple of minutes, a couple of minutes.

[00:05:50] Not the full hour or two-hour live broadcast that you've patented.

[00:05:54] But, yeah, I think at this time now with things changing so much in media to double down and to level up.

[00:06:02] Fresh paint job there at LibertyRoundTable.com.

[00:06:05] And then now the videos, it just, you've got something there.

[00:06:08] Just, you know, however people choose to receive their information.

[00:06:12] That's the hope.

[00:06:13] And there's descriptions, too.

[00:06:14] If you just like to read, you can read the descriptions of what we talk about, too.

[00:06:17] We give enough of a description to actually take value from that.

[00:06:20] Justice and Mercy, Let's Talk Immigration is another one.

[00:06:24] By Their Fruits, Shall You Know Them is another one.

[00:06:30] Anyway, I don't need to go on forever about it.

[00:06:32] But I'm telling you that it's a lot of fun.

[00:06:33] It's very interesting.

[00:06:34] And it is the latest that we're doing.

[00:06:36] And speaking of some of those latest things, we have another huge win to celebrate, James, that I called you yesterday.

[00:06:41] I know you were so swamped we couldn't talk about it.

[00:06:43] Sorry about that.

[00:06:44] Yeah, let's cover it now.

[00:06:45] No problem.

[00:06:46] I really want you to.

[00:06:47] James has been really busy, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:06:49] And, you know, he's got some family things to take care of.

[00:06:52] And that's great.

[00:06:53] But anyway, we're just giving you guys the behind the scenes now live on the radio is what's really happening.

[00:06:57] Because James and I would normally catch up, you know, with each other.

[00:07:01] But we'll just do it live.

[00:07:02] How's that?

[00:07:02] And then you guys, part of the big radio family, can be kind of part of the discussion.

[00:07:05] Listen in on the conversation.

[00:07:07] All right.

[00:07:07] You probably don't know about this guy, but there's a guy by the name of Chad Chronister.

[00:07:12] Chad Chronister is a sheriff.

[00:07:17] He's the DEA admin pick for Donald Trump.

[00:07:21] And Chad, I guess, has Tampa, Tampa, Florida in his county.

[00:07:26] And Donald Trump nominated him as the DEA head.

[00:07:31] And we went apoplectic.

[00:07:33] Is that the word?

[00:07:35] Yeah.

[00:07:36] We lost our minds over this thing.

[00:07:37] We just said, oh, my gosh, this guy is an absolute disgrace.

[00:07:40] No, no, no, no, no.

[00:07:42] So here's the deal.

[00:07:43] This guy is the guy that literally arrested a pastor for trying to hold church during COVID.

[00:07:50] I thought you were going to give me good news and this is one of your guys.

[00:07:53] Yeah.

[00:07:53] Well, no, hold on.

[00:07:54] So this is the guy that literally shut down the pastor, arrested him for trying to hold church in Florida.

[00:08:01] The pastor's name is Mr. Brown.

[00:08:04] Anyway, long story short, this pastor had helped the sheriff by having a big event at his church for the sheriff just a few months before that.

[00:08:11] Now, what is going on?

[00:08:12] I don't know.

[00:08:12] But then the sheriff had the audacity to brag about the arrest in the media.

[00:08:17] And it was clearly an agenda to try to, you know, elevate the sheriff's, quote, political status, in my humble opinion, to which I'm entitled.

[00:08:24] Nevertheless, we wrote a press release against this sheriff and said, Donald, how dare you?

[00:08:28] Don't you think of it?

[00:08:29] This guy's a clown.

[00:08:30] This guy's not qualified.

[00:08:31] This guy's.

[00:08:32] Well, here's the good news.

[00:08:34] Chad Chronister withdraws his name from Trump's DEA admin pick.

[00:08:40] So we got the guy shut down, buddy.

[00:08:43] Wow.

[00:08:45] Well, you know, this is another thing.

[00:08:47] We can't take singular credit for it, I might add, though.

[00:08:49] There's a bunch of people jumping on board with us, too, that are savvy about this.

[00:08:52] Christians.

[00:08:52] But I'm telling you, we had a significant role in this one, buddy.

[00:08:56] When you are operating on this level, everything's a collaborative effort.

[00:09:01] I mean, very few when you're talking about something.

[00:09:03] And I just want to be clear about that.

[00:09:04] A single person.

[00:09:04] But, but, but.

[00:09:06] Well, this is just another thing.

[00:09:07] And Sam and I didn't do any.

[00:09:09] Well, Sam did prep, obviously, for this show.

[00:09:11] But we didn't talk to each other in advance of this program about the things we would talk about.

[00:09:16] The things we're talking about so far with the comments that I made about the website.

[00:09:19] So this wasn't like some pre-planned, you know, skid or something.

[00:09:22] This is all coming from the heart.

[00:09:23] But, yes, I mean, Sam, what you're doing also with CSPOA is obviously so valuable.

[00:09:28] And then this is good news.

[00:09:30] This is very good news.

[00:09:32] So whatever led to the chain of events that caused this, you know, rogue sheriff to withdraw his name from consideration,

[00:09:40] to have played a role in that is something you can certainly take a victory lap on and well-deserved.

[00:09:44] Let's hope that the next choice is somebody a little more appropriate.

[00:09:50] But we know that Trump has traveled with some people that have worked with CSPOA in the recent past.

[00:09:59] And so hopefully, you know, he'll draw from that lot.

[00:10:04] Anyway, I'm telling you, it's huge news.

[00:10:08] We had a huge hand in it.

[00:10:12] And all I can say is we're excited about it.

[00:10:14] Now, here's the deal.

[00:10:17] Who is Trump going to pick now?

[00:10:19] And now we're trying to find a way to Donald Trump to give him our list of recommendation picks.

[00:10:24] But because so many people listen to this radio program and pretend they don't,

[00:10:29] I thought I'd announce those picks coming up here in a second of some of the people that we think Donald Trump ought to consider.

[00:10:34] And exactly why?

[00:10:37] It'll be in Rolling Stone.

[00:10:38] It'll be a Rolling Stone headline tomorrow, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:10:43] Rolling Stone.

[00:10:45] You know, my buddy Tim over there at Rolling Stone doesn't like to talk to me every recently.

[00:10:49] He's kind of backed off of me and left me alone.

[00:10:52] Maybe I need to call him again, huh?

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[00:13:03] Live and on your radio, ladies and gentlemen, is James Edwards, thepoliticalcessible.org and yours truly.

[00:13:09] Have you seen Sam's new LRT short videos?

[00:13:13] LibertyRoundTemple.com.

[00:13:13] Check them out.

[00:13:14] They are there.

[00:13:15] They are live.

[00:13:15] And we're doing more of them all the time.

[00:13:17] And I'm going to get better at them, by the way.

[00:13:19] I've been upgrading my camera.

[00:13:20] I just went and bought a new camera for, what do they call that thing?

[00:13:23] Black Friday, Cyber Monday, all that kind of stuff.

[00:13:25] I just bought me an updated new camera so that I can get better video.

[00:13:29] It's going to be one that will be auto-tracking and stuff like that so it can track me as I kind of move around and stuff.

[00:13:33] It will be a little more dynamic.

[00:13:34] And then I basically got rid of a bunch of stuff in my office so that I could redo my background with a nice chair and nice books and my eagle and all these kind of cool things.

[00:13:42] And so we're going to be upgrading the set, if you will, quite a bit over the next several videos.

[00:13:46] So keep an eye out for that as well.

[00:13:48] I'm telling you right now, man, we're coming out of the gate swinging for 2025, ladies and gentlemen, as the new media indeed takes center stage.

[00:13:54] And we're simply at the center of it.

[00:13:56] That's for sure.

[00:13:57] So we shut down Chad Chronister.

[00:13:59] That's good news.

[00:14:00] Now, James, I want to kind of recommend a couple of sheriffs to President-elect Donald J. Trump.

[00:14:06] And here they are, and here's why.

[00:14:08] The first one I would recommend would be Darleaf, current sitting sheriff in Michigan.

[00:14:14] He's been taking on election integrity issues for more than several years now.

[00:14:18] Basically five years he's been at it.

[00:14:20] And he has hardcore evidence.

[00:14:22] The problem is his DE or his DA, that's the district attorney in his county, won't take action.

[00:14:27] And the governor and the attorney general won't take action.

[00:14:30] Therefore, he's stuck.

[00:14:31] Because remember, we don't think the sheriff is a god.

[00:14:33] There's checks and balances in America, right?

[00:14:35] And so anyway, he's stuck, but he's on it.

[00:14:37] He's got a lot of valuable information.

[00:14:39] This guy would be a hardcore sheriff.

[00:14:41] They've attacked him every six ways from Sunday.

[00:14:43] They've vetted him.

[00:14:44] They've tried to take him down.

[00:14:45] They've done everything they possibly can to no avail.

[00:14:48] And so I would recommend Darleaf as one of the greatest sheriffs to do so.

[00:14:52] The second one I would recommend is not a current sitting sheriff.

[00:14:57] And he's not only for one reason, because they have two terms where he lives.

[00:15:02] And so he was a two-term sheriff, and then he can't be a sheriff anymore.

[00:15:04] But he's currently, he moved from being a sheriff to a county commissioner.

[00:15:08] He's currently a county commissioner.

[00:15:10] His name is Brad Rogers.

[00:15:12] And the reason I'm named Brad Rogers is because Brad Rogers literally had an Amish farmer come to him and say,

[00:15:21] listen, the feds are beating me up, man.

[00:15:23] They're trying to destroy my farm.

[00:15:25] And Brad Rogers looked at the guy and said, are you really willing to take this on?

[00:15:28] And the Amish farmer said, absolutely.

[00:15:30] And so Brad Rogers wrote a letter to the feds and said, get the hell out of my county.

[00:15:33] And they mocked him and came back and said, we'll arrest you.

[00:15:36] Sheriff, shut up.

[00:15:37] And Brad Rogers just kind of smiled and got with Richard Mack and the CSPOA.

[00:15:43] And they put together a letter and they wrote the feds back.

[00:15:45] And they said, come into my county and let's see who gets arrested.

[00:15:48] They never came back.

[00:15:51] All right.

[00:15:51] These are the kind of wins, President-elect Donald J. Trump, that we need to see.

[00:15:58] These are the kind of stand-up accountable constitutional Americans

[00:16:01] that got duly elected by their citizens that we need to see in office.

[00:16:06] That's another example.

[00:16:07] Brad Rogers, Darleaf.

[00:16:09] These are two hero sheriffs.

[00:16:11] There's another sheriff that I just talked to the other day.

[00:16:14] He's a current sitting sheriff in Ketak County, Washington.

[00:16:17] And his name is Bob Songer.

[00:16:19] Oh, yeah.

[00:16:20] And Bob Songer is a hero sheriff.

[00:16:22] I just got off the phone with him the other night because we were having a conference call.

[00:16:25] And the question has been asked by the mainstream press.

[00:16:28] Since we wrote this press release getting rid of this bad sheriff, Chad Chronister,

[00:16:34] the media has been calling me left and right.

[00:16:36] The media has been calling Sheriff Mack left and right.

[00:16:38] I'll get into that in a minute.

[00:16:39] But here's the point.

[00:16:41] And I got on with Bob Songer and I said, Bob, what are you going to do?

[00:16:44] You know, you're in a blue as all get out state and your governor is like a thug guy.

[00:16:48] I mean, this guy won't even cooperate in getting rid of illegals and rapists and murderers and stuff in your society.

[00:16:54] This guy's got like a sanctuary state.

[00:16:56] And he said, here's what the deal is.

[00:16:57] I'm the sheriff of my county.

[00:16:59] I'm telling you, if you come into my county and you're not willing to obey the laws and you're not willing to work with the sheriff, I'll arrest you.

[00:17:04] And I got ice on speed dial.

[00:17:06] We will work with Trump.

[00:17:07] We will solve this.

[00:17:08] And the governor needs to get out of the way or he'll get arrested.

[00:17:12] And you say, Sam, wait a minute.

[00:17:13] You think the sheriff's a god here, do you?

[00:17:15] No, I don't.

[00:17:16] I just think there's checks and balances and there's jurisdictional overlap.

[00:17:18] And there needs to be coordination on this stuff.

[00:17:21] And the governor might be able to not help.

[00:17:23] He has every right, according to even Sheriff Richard Mack's Supreme Court case, not to help.

[00:17:27] He doesn't have to do anything.

[00:17:28] But if he gets in the way, he becomes part of the criminal cabal.

[00:17:32] And I'm telling you, Tom Holman has gone on record and said, look, you mayors think you want to stand in the way of this?

[00:17:39] If you get in the way and assist in an aid and abet criminal activity, we will absolutely arrest you.

[00:17:45] And so Bob Songer's virtually saying the same thing.

[00:17:48] You cannot disobey the law.

[00:17:51] The general government has authority in the border and the Congress has a stake in who comes into this country and who stays here and what the rules and guidelines are.

[00:18:00] And so a mayor, a governor who stands in the way can and will get arrested if they don't obey the law.

[00:18:08] Well, let me give you an example to prove the point because people think, oh, Sam, you're just talking babbly gook here.

[00:18:13] You just you think, you know, but you're not on legal ground.

[00:18:16] You're not an attorney.

[00:18:17] You don't really know, Sam.

[00:18:19] I agree that I don't know, except I'm pretty smart and I know where to look for the answers.

[00:18:24] I'm not an attorney.

[00:18:25] I'm not giving legal advice.

[00:18:27] But I do know.

[00:18:28] And the reason that I know is because I use court case examples.

[00:18:33] So when it comes to the general government forcing local people to do things, they can't.

[00:18:37] There's no authority.

[00:18:38] Richard Mack's Supreme Court case proves it.

[00:18:42] All right.

[00:18:43] Bill Clinton was going to arrest Sheriff Richard Mack and Sheriff Richard Mack never got arrested.

[00:18:47] In fact, Bill Clinton lost at the Supreme Court.

[00:18:50] So, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[00:18:52] It isn't a matter that Sam knows.

[00:18:53] He just knows where to look.

[00:18:54] Let me give you the second example to make the point.

[00:18:57] So there was a sheriff by the name of Nick Finch, and he was in a place called Liberty County, ironically enough.

[00:19:02] Liberty County, Florida.

[00:19:04] And what happened is his deputy arrested a guy for having a gun.

[00:19:08] Sheriff Nick Finch heard about it and said, we're not going to arrest that guy for having a gun.

[00:19:11] It's not wrong to have a gun.

[00:19:12] There's this thing called a Second Amendment, gentlemen.

[00:19:14] So the sheriff went down and unarrested the guy.

[00:19:18] And I'm telling you right now, the world went absolutely.

[00:19:21] They lost their minds over this.

[00:19:23] So the sheriff defended the Second Amendment and unarrested the guy.

[00:19:26] How have you unarrest somebody?

[00:19:27] He just released him and said, hey, I'm so sorry about my deputy doing this.

[00:19:30] And anyway, everybody went crazy.

[00:19:34] Eventually, the attacks against Nick Finch were so great that they arrested the sheriff.

[00:19:39] Who was they?

[00:19:40] The governor and team arrested the sheriff in Florida.

[00:19:44] Well, the CSPOA, the Constitutional Sheriff's and Peace Officers Association, got involved, baby.

[00:19:49] And we helped Nick Finch with some money and some guidance and direction of how to do and what to do.

[00:19:53] And he got some attorneys.

[00:19:54] And Nick Finch literally sued the governor.

[00:19:57] And eventually, they had a court case.

[00:20:01] And there was Liberty in Liberty County.

[00:20:03] Not only was the sheriff correct, the governor lost in court.

[00:20:09] And the county sheriff was restored to his office and given back pay.

[00:20:15] We had Liberty in Liberty County that day.

[00:20:18] And Sheriff Mack was there on the Supreme Court steps after attending the court case live on Liberty Roundtable.

[00:20:24] This talk show, this radio network.

[00:20:27] Okay.

[00:20:27] Now, I'm not trying to make us bigger than we are, but I am trying to highlight some fundamental deals.

[00:20:32] When people get involved, good things happen.

[00:20:34] When we go to work together, ladies and gentlemen, you see success after success after success.

[00:20:39] Okay.

[00:20:40] So, Chad Chronister's gone.

[00:20:41] Great news.

[00:20:42] Let's now find a good person.

[00:20:43] Well, anyway, so I recommend this Nick Finch guy or Bob Songer.

[00:20:47] Bob Songer said, I've got ice on speed dial and I will work with the president.

[00:20:51] And anybody who doesn't obey the law, get out of the way.

[00:20:53] And if you impede what I'm doing, I will arrest you.

[00:20:56] That's a current sitting sheriff right now.

[00:20:58] So I recommend Bob Songer.

[00:20:59] I recommend Darleaf.

[00:21:01] I recommend Brad Rogers.

[00:21:02] I recommend Nick Finch because Nick Finch literally took on the governor of Florida and won.

[00:21:08] These aren't sheriffs that are faint hearted.

[00:21:10] These aren't sheriffs that are wimps.

[00:21:12] These aren't sheriffs that back down.

[00:21:15] I got another one.

[00:21:16] And I don't have his name at my fingertips, but he's the sheriff that was in New Mexico.

[00:21:20] And Liz, can you look this up?

[00:21:21] But if you go to thelibertyconference.com, thelibertyconference.com, and you choose either

[00:21:28] of the conferences there, there's videos.

[00:21:30] There's a pastor's name there and a sheriff's name there.

[00:21:32] And I don't have them right in front of me right this second.

[00:21:34] I'm hoping you can give me the sheriff's name.

[00:21:35] The problem is I'm doing this all from my mind.

[00:21:37] I don't have a single note, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:21:39] So that's why I'm having her look this up.

[00:21:41] Normally, people have a big staff.

[00:21:42] And when you talk about this, the staff just goes and looks it up.

[00:21:46] Liz's hands are too full for all that.

[00:21:47] We don't have that many people.

[00:21:48] You know, when you hear the credits for most shows, they got like 30 people listed.

[00:21:51] We've got like three.

[00:21:53] Anyway, I digress.

[00:21:54] I'm just telling you, we run things on a shoestring comparatively to these other people.

[00:21:58] Nevertheless, this sheriff in New Mexico is absolutely the opposite of what happened in Florida.

[00:22:06] When Chad Chronister heard, you need to look for either conference.

[00:22:10] You need to look for the sheriff that worked with the pastor.

[00:22:16] Anyway, and so what happened was this Chad Chronister guy arrested the pastor for trying to hold church.

[00:22:22] What a disgrace.

[00:22:23] That's why we pushed to get rid of the guy.

[00:22:25] But there's a hero pastor in New Mexico and a hero sheriff.

[00:22:30] And they worked together.

[00:22:31] The pastor came to the sheriff and said, hey, man, can you help me?

[00:22:34] They're trying to shut down my church.

[00:22:36] And I don't want to.

[00:22:37] I believe that we need God more than ever in the middle of the pandemic.

[00:22:40] And the sheriff said, I will absolutely back you.

[00:22:42] You're right.

[00:22:43] The pastor goes, yeah, but the state police are coming down my throat here.

[00:22:48] The sheriff said, I don't care.

[00:22:49] State police don't have jurisdiction in my county.

[00:22:51] I will absolutely stop them.

[00:22:53] So they got together and they did it.

[00:22:55] And believe it or not, the state, New Mexico state police came to the church and tried to shut down the church.

[00:23:00] You know what the sheriff did?

[00:23:02] James Edwards.

[00:23:03] He deputized parishioners.

[00:23:07] And he said, you will not come in my church.

[00:23:09] You will.

[00:23:10] Yeah.

[00:23:11] Glenn Hamilton.

[00:23:12] All right.

[00:23:13] So I'm recommending Glenn Hamilton.

[00:23:15] And I apologize.

[00:23:16] I just don't have all these names in front of me, folks.

[00:23:17] There's just too many stories and too much work we're doing to have it all.

[00:23:20] Anyway, this is live radio and I'm just a one man band kind of thing.

[00:23:23] Anyway, thank you, Liz.

[00:23:25] I'm now a one man man backed by a great producer.

[00:23:27] But anyway, Mr. Hamilton is a great sheriff.

[00:23:32] And he said, I will defend you.

[00:23:33] So when the state police came, he shut them all down.

[00:23:35] He said, leave gentlemen or I'll arrest you.

[00:23:37] You will not shut down this church.

[00:23:38] The church never closed.

[00:23:42] Do you read me loud and clear?

[00:23:43] Ladies and gentlemen, the church never closed.

[00:23:46] And this pastor and the sheriff are running around the country together now telling their

[00:23:50] story.

[00:23:50] And they've told it at both of our conferences.

[00:23:52] We are making a difference.

[00:23:54] Ladies and gentlemen, I kid you not.

[00:23:55] They pretend we're nobody when they want to shut us down and, you know, dismiss us.

[00:23:59] They know we're everybody when it comes to action and solutions and involvement.

[00:24:03] And I'm getting call after call after call on the two press releases that we just released

[00:24:07] over at the CSPOA.

[00:24:08] First one is to shut down this clown, this sheriff that's in the Hall of Shame, Chad Chronister.

[00:24:14] Shame on Chad.

[00:24:15] And the Hall of Fame, Mr. Glenn Hamilton.

[00:24:18] Listen, I'm telling you right now, there's a big difference in how we act and what we

[00:24:22] do and who we back.

[00:24:23] You need to get involved.

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[00:26:09] Cheshire police say Letby was questioned in prison over baby deaths and neo-fatal collapses

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[00:26:21] The 34-year-old nurse was sentenced to life with no chance of release for killing seven babies and trying to kill seven others

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[00:26:36] Letby has continued to proclaim her innocence and has tried unsuccessfully to appeal her convictions.

[00:26:41] I'm Charles Dillard.

[00:26:43] Hungary's foreign minister says a meeting of his counterparts from NATO member countries in Brussels

[00:26:48] has produced no consensus on the prospect of inviting Ukraine to join the Transatlantic Military Alliance.

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[00:27:00] Joe Manchin urging President Biden to pardon Donald Trump.

[00:27:04] The independent West Virginia senator told CNN now that President Biden has pardoned his own son,

[00:27:09] he should also pardon President-elect Donald Trump.

[00:27:12] He says his advice to Biden would have been, quote,

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[00:27:18] Trump made history in 2024 by becoming the first former president to become a convicted felon

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[00:27:30] In the final House race to be called has been called for a Democrat by a razor-thin margin.

[00:27:37] Democrat Adam Gray has won election to the seat representing California's Central Valley,

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[00:27:44] Gray's win in the Farm Belt District means that Republicans won 220 House seats this election cycle.

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[00:28:59] I believe there will come a time when we are all judged on whether or not we took a stand in defense of all life

[00:29:06] from the moment of conception until our last natural breath.

[00:29:11] As a teenager, I gave my first public speech in my church.

[00:29:15] My hand shook.

[00:29:16] My heart pounded.

[00:29:18] I thought to myself, I can't do this.

[00:29:20] But somehow I did.

[00:29:21] And because I wanted to talk about things that were important, I persisted.

[00:29:25] I chided my church as a senior in high school for not seeming to care about the not yet born,

[00:29:31] for looking the other way, and for not taking a stand on life.

[00:29:35] I will be in earnest.

[00:29:37] I will not equivocate.

[00:29:39] And I will not excuse.

[00:29:41] I will not retreat an inch.

[00:29:43] And I will be heard.

[00:29:47] One thing I promise you, I will always take a stand for life.

[00:30:14] From atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West,

[00:30:18] you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show.

[00:30:23] All right.

[00:30:24] Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans.

[00:30:27] Sam Bushman and James Edwards live on your radio.

[00:30:30] Hard-hitting news that Edwards refused to use, no doubt, continues live.

[00:30:34] Move over, Pete Henseth.

[00:30:37] Yes, indeed.

[00:30:38] Half of Donald Trump's inaugurative folks are not getting picked.

[00:30:42] Okay, you got Matt Gaetz that had to step down.

[00:30:45] Now you got Chad Chronister to step down.

[00:30:48] I hope we can get this clown Pete Henseth to step down, too.

[00:30:51] Trump considering Ron DeSantis for U.S. Defense Secretary.

[00:30:56] James, your response to that?

[00:30:58] Well, I think it was the last time I was on with you a few days ago

[00:31:03] when we had Congressman Steve King and Steve Stockman on.

[00:31:06] I think it was one of them who suggested that Trump may be nominating some of these people

[00:31:12] knowing full well that they are going to have a tough time getting in

[00:31:16] because it makes it easier for him to get what could be,

[00:31:20] this is all speculative, of course, but it's a theory and it's plausible,

[00:31:24] what could be his real choice, a clearer path.

[00:31:29] Once you kind of make the enemy use their ordinance to stop either Gaetz

[00:31:34] or potentially Hegseth, then it's easier to get a Ron DeSantis in

[00:31:41] or Pam Bondi out of Florida in as Attorney General.

[00:31:45] I think that that holds water.

[00:31:46] If that's what's going on, we don't know for sure,

[00:31:48] but if it is what's going on, it does make sense.

[00:31:50] This is politics.

[00:31:51] These are king moves.

[00:31:53] And I wouldn't have, listen, I mean, say what you will.

[00:31:58] If people are hell-bent on finding things to hold against someone in politics,

[00:32:08] there's always going to be material out there.

[00:32:10] You want to find things to complain about Ron DeSantis over, you can find it.

[00:32:16] But by and large, as a sitting governor and trying not to let perfect be the enemy of the good here,

[00:32:23] he did a good job in Florida.

[00:32:24] He just absolutely did.

[00:32:26] You can find things, you can have areas of disagreement with him on, but he did a good job.

[00:32:30] I would not mind at all him being the head of, you know, taking Hegseth's part there,

[00:32:40] being sort of the head of the military.

[00:32:42] I would not mind that one bit.

[00:32:44] So if that's what's going on, it's power politics.

[00:32:47] These are interesting moves.

[00:32:49] Amen.

[00:32:50] And, you know, how many of these people are put up as, you know, sacrificial lambs or whatever,

[00:32:55] I don't really know whether Donald's doing this on purpose.

[00:32:57] I don't really know.

[00:32:58] Some of the picks he's made really concern me big time, though.

[00:33:01] I'm not a fan of Pam Bondi, for example.

[00:33:04] Pam Bondi is the lady that basically said,

[00:33:07] first, take the guns, second due process.

[00:33:10] Shame on that clown.

[00:33:11] That's unacceptable.

[00:33:12] This is America, not China, Pam.

[00:33:14] Okay?

[00:33:15] It is, but I would say just very quickly about her,

[00:33:18] she is, as the media likes to call it, a Trump loyalist.

[00:33:21] And listen, yes, again, now she's a little bit different than DeSantis.

[00:33:25] There might be some more material there,

[00:33:27] but she will probably go in and do his bidding, which is what he's wanting.

[00:33:32] Yeah, but Donald said take the guns first, due process second also.

[00:33:37] So there's a serious second-level concern there, ladies and gentlemen, right?

[00:33:41] You don't take the guns and due process second.

[00:33:44] That's, you know, third world country status kind of stuff.

[00:33:48] Nevertheless, there are people who we've had on this program.

[00:33:51] What's the guy's name?

[00:33:52] Steve Miller?

[00:33:53] Yeah.

[00:33:54] Stephen Miller, basically, is one of them.

[00:33:57] And he says everything in the world is going to change on January the 20th.

[00:34:04] There's a video about this.

[00:34:06] Gateway Pundit Christina Layla has the piece.

[00:34:09] And it's very, very interesting.

[00:34:11] Here's what Stephen has to say, then we'll talk about it.

[00:34:17] But everything in the world, everything in the world is going to change on January 20th.

[00:34:22] Because the President of the United States is going to use every single legal,

[00:34:28] diplomatic, and financial tool to halt the entry of all illegal aliens into this country.

[00:34:34] There will be no benefits.

[00:34:35] There will be no entry.

[00:34:36] There will be no asylum.

[00:34:37] There will be no admission.

[00:34:39] You may be prosecuted.

[00:34:40] You will certainly be arrested.

[00:34:41] And you will absolutely be deported.

[00:34:44] The entire world, Mexico, Northern Triangle, Central America, South America, Africa, Asia,

[00:34:50] the Middle East, will get this message.

[00:34:52] There is no unlawful route to enter the United States of America.

[00:34:56] Every presidential authority, including his absolute authority under Article 2

[00:35:01] to defend the territorial sovereignty of the United States, will be used.

[00:35:05] From the Department of Defense to the Department of Justice to Homeland Security

[00:35:08] and every single other lawful authority at his disposal.

[00:35:12] It will be the end of the evasion.

[00:35:14] It will be the beginning of the liberation.

[00:35:17] James, let's let you respond first.

[00:35:21] Well, what do you say in response to that, Sam?

[00:35:23] That's a pretty pointed statement.

[00:35:24] I say more power to him.

[00:35:26] 100% support.

[00:35:28] We actually issued a press release, James Edwards,

[00:35:30] in support of the President of the United States on his immigration plans.

[00:35:35] We issued a press release over at the Constitutional Sheriff's and Peace Officer Association.

[00:35:38] Now, I will be the first to say this, though.

[00:35:40] I want to lock down the border tight where there's no illegal entry.

[00:35:43] I agree.

[00:35:44] Stop the invasion.

[00:35:45] That's first.

[00:35:45] Foremost, done.

[00:35:47] Secondly, we want to work with sheriffs that will absolutely get this done.

[00:35:50] Now, I do believe in a little bit of a justice and mercy plan, though.

[00:35:54] Okay?

[00:35:54] The person that is a hardened rapist or murderer that left a prison in their foreign country to come here or somebody that's a terrorist is not the same as a child that got brought to the United States as a kid.

[00:36:07] And, hey, they're a DACA kid or whatever they are, and so they grew up in America, and they're not really a citizen, but yet that's all they know is America.

[00:36:13] They know English better than Spanish or whatever, and they don't have a criminal record.

[00:36:18] Those two aren't the same at all.

[00:36:19] And so I do think we need to understand and realize that there's going to eventually become a nuanced justice and mercy plan put in place that makes sense on this thing.

[00:36:29] Okay?

[00:36:30] The first thing you've got to do is separate the criminals from the non-criminals.

[00:36:33] When I say non-criminals, I know they came to America, and they're here illegally.

[00:36:36] So, in effect, they're all criminals.

[00:36:38] But if your only offense is coming to the United States and you don't have a criminal record, that's not even close to the same as some of the hardened criminals that we're discussing right now.

[00:36:47] First, let's get rid of the hardened criminals and get rid of the danger.

[00:36:50] Okay?

[00:36:50] And the only reason I say that, I know Tom Holman and some of these people have pretty bold statements, and I think they're really trying to use kind of fear to get a lot of people to self-deport,

[00:36:59] fear to get a lot of these countries to sit up and take notice, and it's not clown show Biden anymore.

[00:37:04] It's Trump, and he means business, and I support all that.

[00:37:07] But I do want to back off a little bit, though, and say, hey, you know what?

[00:37:10] Let's just take a family A.

[00:37:12] You know, if you've been in this country, and you're a family, and you, you know, came to the United States, and you're here illegally, it's wrong.

[00:37:18] You shouldn't be here illegally.

[00:37:20] But how do we remedy that?

[00:37:21] There's got to be a way forward for peaceful people that aren't lawbreakers other than that.

[00:37:25] And you say, well, Sam, they broke the law to come here.

[00:37:27] I know, but stealing is wrong.

[00:37:29] Thou shalt not steal is a commandment, and I think that stealing is wrong.

[00:37:31] However, if you're starving and you steal food, is it as wrong as just generally stealing?

[00:37:36] If you're literally starving, okay, some of these people really have left their foreign countries because of hostility and gangs and violence and trouble and turmoil,

[00:37:44] and some of these people really came here as young people, and they didn't have a choice.

[00:37:48] They're just here.

[00:37:49] That's all they know.

[00:37:49] Okay, so we've got to be smart about this.

[00:37:52] And I think a real plan would have kind of a balance between justice and mercy.

[00:37:56] We first would have the illegals that are criminals, and we would be hardcore.

[00:38:01] There'd be justice for those people.

[00:38:02] Clear justice, prison, deportation, prison in the foreign nations, or prison in the United States if we must.

[00:38:08] And then we would kind of back off and take the mercy plan with some of the most peaceful people, people who came here as children.

[00:38:14] You know, we could debate if they should be citizens or not and how the citizenship could, you know, we could build a plan for that.

[00:38:19] But they can't be treated the same if they don't have a criminal record and if they didn't come here on their own volition.

[00:38:23] It's not the same.

[00:38:24] Let's not pretend that it is.

[00:38:25] That doesn't mean amnesty.

[00:38:27] We need to also stake out amnesty for no one, period.

[00:38:29] You're not going to just get, boop, you're a citizen.

[00:38:32] You get all the benefits, okay?

[00:38:34] And we could evaluate and put together a plan.

[00:38:35] How long have you been in America illegally?

[00:38:37] The longer, the greater the penalty.

[00:38:40] Have you committed any crimes?

[00:38:42] You know, that has an effect.

[00:38:46] How much have you been on the dole?

[00:38:47] And there's ways to come out of this.

[00:38:49] For example, let's say, James Edwards, you own a business and you have some illegals working for you.

[00:38:53] Could you bring them forward in a productive way and then you guarantee the sponsorship of them so they're not using any government funds to stay here?

[00:38:59] If they don't have an illegal record, could there be a way forward with some penalties that could allow them to stay and eventually become citizens?

[00:39:06] What's the real plan?

[00:39:07] So that's where the rubber meets the road.

[00:39:08] So what do I think?

[00:39:09] I think I support them 100%.

[00:39:11] But we're going to at some point have to back off and be realistic about all cases are not the same.

[00:39:17] And it's going to have to be a case-by-case discussion.

[00:39:19] It's going to have to be Congress that lays out how this is going to work.

[00:39:22] We need to have amnesty for no one.

[00:39:24] We need to have appropriate penalties along the way.

[00:39:26] And, for example, if you want to self-deport and leave and get in line, we'll give you some credit for that.

[00:39:31] If you want to help build the wall, and this is what, believe it or not, I've got a personal, I won't even say the relationship because I don't want to give them away.

[00:39:38] But they're Mexican, and they are an United States citizen.

[00:39:41] And what they told me is they said, why don't you just have them build the wall?

[00:39:44] And the harder they work on the wall, the less their penalty will be to stay here.

[00:39:47] Oh, that's a great idea.

[00:39:49] Wow.

[00:39:49] Okay, this is a Mexican that told me this, and it's a person very close to me.

[00:39:53] I don't want to, okay, all I'm saying is, you know what, I get it.

[00:39:56] I agree.

[00:39:57] So he's even saying, look, we don't want criminals here.

[00:40:00] This is not a race thing.

[00:40:01] None of us want rapists running around the country.

[00:40:04] None of us want murderers running around the country.

[00:40:06] Let's start there, and let's get absolutely hardcore heavy-handed.

[00:40:11] Okay, the military could be on the border.

[00:40:13] The 3,000 sheriffs.

[00:40:15] We can have three in a box, a single point of contact.

[00:40:17] Whenever you contact one, you contact all three.

[00:40:20] One would be the local sheriff in 3,000 counties.

[00:40:22] The next would be the state, 50 states.

[00:40:24] The third would be the general government, whoever's on Tom Holman's team.

[00:40:27] And every time you were to deal with somebody, you would go with those three.

[00:40:31] Go ahead and skip the break.

[00:40:31] This is too important.

[00:40:32] And you could literally use those three in a box.

[00:40:35] The local sheriffs know the bad guys in their communities.

[00:40:37] They have the ability with this coordination now to basically take care of business,

[00:40:41] not put troops in the streets or anything like that, not violate posse comitatus,

[00:40:45] but absolutely surgically remove the worst criminals among us.

[00:40:49] They need to get that done right away.

[00:40:51] And I would submit while we're deporting people, hey, the hardened criminals that are Americans

[00:40:55] that are in the catch and release program over and over and over, toss those suckers in the clink.

[00:40:59] Let's get that done at the same time.

[00:41:00] So we've got a lot of work to do, James, and we're ready to sit down with Donald Trump

[00:41:04] and talk about a real plan, brother.

[00:41:07] Well, going back to something you said in the last segment,

[00:41:10] then I would comment on the issue of deportation, which is a winning issue now.

[00:41:15] This is how far the Overton window has shifted from the pre-Trumpian era,

[00:41:20] where it was all about amnesty.

[00:41:23] It was all about nobody was really serious about shutting the border, controlling the border,

[00:41:29] much less deportations.

[00:41:31] And now this has become a big-time winning issue for a Republican presidential candidate.

[00:41:38] So that's a lot of movement in less than a decade.

[00:41:42] So that's encouraging.

[00:41:43] Going back to the staffing of this administration, you mentioned sitting sheriffs like Bob Songer

[00:41:50] and Dar Leaf, who I don't know.

[00:41:52] I've never met them or spoken with them, but I've seen videos of them.

[00:41:56] And I think, again, if Trump is having to staff his administration,

[00:42:00] we had Lou Moore on, who was Ron Paul's presidential campaign manager in the mid-2000s.

[00:42:09] He was last week on my show saying he's got thousands of administrative posts to fill,

[00:42:16] 10,000, maybe 20,000.

[00:42:20] And you've got sitting sheriffs here.

[00:42:23] If Trump is really looking for game changers, people who are battle-tested

[00:42:29] and are going to stand up to the media, going to stand up to lawless government,

[00:42:34] they're really going to go in there and put in people who are going to get the job done.

[00:42:39] He needs to look at some of these CSPOA guys, quite frankly,

[00:42:43] because they have done it without backing down.

[00:42:45] The media doesn't cow them.

[00:42:47] And how about Mark Lamb?

[00:42:48] It's just a wonderful thing.

[00:42:49] Well, that was one that was –

[00:42:51] How about Sheriff Mark Lamb?

[00:42:52] That's the name I was searching for in the previous segment.

[00:42:56] Yes, Mark Lamb was actually traveling on the all-star, conservative all-star tour

[00:43:01] that Trump was on in 2022 while he was Biden this time before announcing.

[00:43:05] So, yes, and this is somebody associated with your organization

[00:43:07] or has worked with you in the past.

[00:43:09] So there are people out there.

[00:43:11] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[00:43:11] If he's serious about going –

[00:43:13] He's partnered with us on his organization that no longer exists now on True the Vote.

[00:43:17] We've worked together on a variety of things.

[00:43:18] He's spoke at many of our conferences.

[00:43:20] In fact, I was just at a conference with him a month and a half ago –

[00:43:22] or two months ago, our September conference he spoke at.

[00:43:25] But these are the people you're going to have to have to really make change happen.

[00:43:30] There's just no doubt about it.

[00:43:31] So, anyway, I just wanted to circle back to that very quickly.

[00:43:34] With regards to deportation, yes, it's got to be done.

[00:43:37] I think the hardened criminals, of course, people who have not just come here illegally

[00:43:42] and broken that law but have committed violent crimes above and beyond that,

[00:43:47] they just have to go in no uncertain terms.

[00:43:49] And I think with people like that, you can do like a SWAT team deportation type of thing

[00:43:54] and just very – remove them with a great deal of vigor.

[00:44:00] Now, the – and that should be done right away.

[00:44:03] The people who are here, as you mentioned, who have not committed any crimes other than coming here,

[00:44:09] I understand everybody's going to have a sob story, but a sob story alone doesn't really change the fact

[00:44:16] that America cannot be the dumping ground for the rest of humanity.

[00:44:20] And it is sad.

[00:44:21] I know kids were born here.

[00:44:23] It wasn't their choice.

[00:44:24] But they have to go to, quite frankly.

[00:44:26] And I know that this is going to be something where the media – you know what the media is going to do with this.

[00:44:31] They're going to try to play on the sympathies.

[00:44:33] They're going to try to pull on the heartstrings of the American public.

[00:44:36] And they're going to show boxcars to Auschwitz and things like that and liking it to all of that,

[00:44:42] which it's not at all, but that's what they'll do.

[00:44:44] And I think you can get away with that – I think the way you mitigate that, let me put it this way,

[00:44:50] is you do something like your friend suggested, Sam, which is a wonderful suggestion.

[00:44:55] I mean, these are the kind of brainstorming ideas that can just change the world.

[00:44:59] Yes, let's let them earn, you know, perhaps some citizenship by working on building the wall.

[00:45:04] You know, we have all this money to give away to Zelensky and to all of these other countries,

[00:45:09] but we can't secure our own borders.

[00:45:10] Well, let's circumvent that with some good old-fashioned hard work.

[00:45:13] Yeah, and the more days you put it on the wall, we'll reduce your penalties to be here.

[00:45:16] Like, we're not going to grant amnesty, but we'll reduce your penalties,

[00:45:19] and we'll give you an opportunity forward.

[00:45:21] And then the – I think you can circumvent some of the things.

[00:45:26] I do still think, frankly, that these people have to go if they came here illegally,

[00:45:31] even if they were fleeing something and even if it's – you know, their kids are going to be sad about it.

[00:45:35] You just – if you make an exception for these people, how do you not make exception for all of humanity

[00:45:41] that would still want to come over here because there's something, you know, not right in their country?

[00:45:45] That's just not America's problem to solve.

[00:45:47] We don't have the resources to do that for everyone.

[00:45:50] And so, I mean, certainly you've got to just put an iron grip, a vice grip on the border.

[00:45:56] No one else comes here illegally, nobody in.

[00:45:59] But for the people who are already here, maybe you give them a stipend.

[00:46:02] I mean, again, we have all this foreign aid we can give to Israel.

[00:46:04] We can give it to all these – you know, I'm talking to the tunes of, you know,

[00:46:08] hundreds of billions of dollars and more.

[00:46:10] Why not give these people a stipend to go back home and say, hey, you can't stay here,

[00:46:14] but we understand this is a difficult thing.

[00:46:16] We're not just going to aggressively remove you.

[00:46:19] You are going to leave, but we're going to give you X amount of money to help facilitate your travel back

[00:46:24] and, you know, best wishes and God bless you.

[00:46:26] You could do something like that.

[00:46:27] I wouldn't even be opposed to that.

[00:46:28] And your point's well taken.

[00:46:29] The question becomes how far can you go in terms of what will the American people's stomach handle?

[00:46:33] Sometimes it's 100% the right thing to do even though you're right on the point.

[00:46:37] Exactly.

[00:46:37] It'll never fly.

[00:46:39] And so here's another example.

[00:46:40] Let's say that you own a business and you have some illegals because you're a farmer

[00:46:43] or whatever the case may be.

[00:46:44] You know, hey, I agree right now.

[00:46:46] We've had Americans not do certain jobs long enough to where we've given special farm subsidies

[00:46:51] and, hey, you don't farm and you get paid money and, you know, you do this and you do that.

[00:46:56] We've created farm wages that don't have the same, you know, wage as everybody else.

[00:46:59] You know, we've created these special to where, hey, if we were to deport everybody right now,

[00:47:03] you'd literally be $35 million, $40 million, whatever the number is, gone.

[00:47:08] Literally that much of your country.

[00:47:09] And you would have a job crisis instantly.

[00:47:12] And Americans aren't willing to do those jobs.

[00:47:14] So the question is, how do you balance all that, though?

[00:47:16] How do you keep businesses running?

[00:47:18] How do you keep – we've created this crisis over 30 years.

[00:47:21] I'm not defending where we are.

[00:47:22] I'm just defending that you can't get out of it tomorrow.

[00:47:26] I mean, I think – you know, I know people have always said that.

[00:47:29] I've probably said that to Americans aren't willing to do this.

[00:47:32] I don't know.

[00:47:33] I mean, I haven't ever really talked to people.

[00:47:35] I think anybody's willing to do just about anything for the right amount of money.

[00:47:38] So I don't know what these people are – these, you know, laborers on the farms are making if they're illegal

[00:47:43] and what that compares to what – God only knows.

[00:47:47] I mean, how much money does an average American need now to even get by in this economy that Biden has thrust upon us?

[00:47:53] But, I mean, that's a whole other issue.

[00:47:55] But I think Americans – I mean, I would drop what I'm doing and be a farmer if I had the training

[00:48:01] and if it provided for my family and, you know, gave me a standard of living better than what I've got.

[00:48:07] What if you make a third less than you're out in the apple orchards, buddy?

[00:48:10] You ready?

[00:48:12] Well, there would be something – I mean, there is something sort of beautiful and, you know, romantic and nostalgic about out there doing that.

[00:48:20] I mean, not everybody – obviously not everybody has the Constitution to do everybody's job.

[00:48:24] Yeah, no, see, every job in the world.

[00:48:25] I'm just saying, so that's kind of part of the dilemma and there's businesses and there's all kinds of situations

[00:48:30] where this is stickier than we think and you're going to have to have Congress navigate that

[00:48:34] and come up with a solution that can fly and you've got half the country that hates it and wants the borders open.

[00:48:40] So I'm not disagreeing with some of the points you're making as much as I'm saying what is a realistic plan forward?

[00:48:45] Well, that's the thing too because –

[00:48:47] If you're willing to leave willingly, then we'll give you a better chance at coming back to America if you do it right.

[00:48:52] We need to shut the illegal door 100%, but we do need to increase the appropriate legal door.

[00:48:56] I know a lot of people that want to come to the United States or who are already here who can't get citizenship

[00:49:01] and they want to do it right.

[00:49:02] They've been trying to do it right for 20 years, James.

[00:49:04] Well, if you got rid of all of the people who crashed the gates, you would have a lot more room for people who are trying to do it the right way.

[00:49:12] That's one thing.

[00:49:13] And I understand we always want to have these purest ideas and ploys that aren't political reality.

[00:49:23] The political reality is the media is going to – if you come too hard too fast, you're going to lose public opinion

[00:49:27] and it's not going to get done at all.

[00:49:29] Politics is what the – you know, you have to – politics is just a world in which there's a certain reality

[00:49:37] and the reality isn't 100% of everything you want on every issue.

[00:49:41] So while we would say, hey, look, yeah, if you came over here, you broke the law, everybody's got to go

[00:49:44] and they've got to go no matter what.

[00:49:46] But then there are optics that you have to take into account.

[00:49:49] That is just the political reality of any issue.

[00:49:51] So I think there are ways to do it.

[00:49:53] You can definitely go after the violent folks first, get them out of no-and-sort terms.

[00:49:57] For example, what do you do with private property?

[00:50:07] That allowed you to break the law and say, listen, I'm sorry that our predecessors were asleep at the wheel,

[00:50:11] but you knew you were breaking the law and they've – all of this has been a –

[00:50:16] So now what do you do with the house, though?

[00:50:17] You force me out of the country now.

[00:50:20] My wife doesn't have a place to live.

[00:50:21] She's a citizen now, but, you know, she can't pay the rent, so she loses the house.

[00:50:25] Do they just take the private property away and the wife's just – now what does she do?

[00:50:28] Go on the public dole?

[00:50:30] I'm sure this happens all the time when people die without wills.

[00:50:33] I mean, there is a process.

[00:50:34] Oh, it does.

[00:50:34] It does, but –

[00:50:35] So, you know, so we've got a lot –

[00:50:37] We've got a lot to work to it.

[00:50:38] I mean, they came over here knowing that it was illegal, but –

[00:50:41] That's right.

[00:50:42] Here's the last question for you on this topic, James, then we've got to move along.

[00:50:45] Would you swim the river and come to the United States illegally if you lived in some of these other countries?

[00:50:53] Yeah, probably.

[00:50:54] All right.

[00:50:55] You know, I would.

[00:50:56] I mean, we've got to be honest here.

[00:50:58] I agree, and I would too.

[00:50:59] Don't get me wrong, and I'm not trying to trap you with that question, but this is how sticky that it gets.

[00:51:03] And this is my point.

[00:51:04] If you steal, it's wrong.

[00:51:06] But if you're starving and you steal, is it the same?

[00:51:09] Well, this goes back to, I think, too – and I understand all of that.

[00:51:12] Yeah, I mean, listen, all I can do is be honest.

[00:51:14] If it was me and my family, and I was – you know, in some – one of these, as Donald Trump calls it, you know, third world blank holes.

[00:51:20] Yeah, amen.

[00:51:21] And you had oppressive government.

[00:51:22] And, you know, some people are coming over here, again, to take advantage, to leech.

[00:51:26] But if you are, let's just say you're that head of household who just wants to give his family a better way of life.

[00:51:31] Yeah, I would do that if I was in their position.

[00:51:34] But then it just gets down to the situation.

[00:51:36] So, you know, liken your country, your government, to your home.

[00:51:43] And, you know, as the head of household, Sam, you and I provide for our wives and for our children.

[00:51:48] And we have these resources that we give to the people who are under our authority.

[00:51:54] And, you know, it would be like opening up your home and having everybody in the neighborhood, you know, come eat out of your refrigerator.

[00:52:00] At some point it just becomes untenable, and I'm not so sure that it has become that way.

[00:52:04] Out of my refrigerator, the first thing I say is, hey, do you have gainful employment here?

[00:52:07] Or do you have somebody who will sponsor you?

[00:52:10] In other words, you're not going to use any government resources anymore.

[00:52:12] Your sponsor will take care of you, or you will provide for yourself, one or the other.

[00:52:16] That's a huge, you know, if you have no criminal record and you've got a sponsor.

[00:52:21] In other words, someone that will testify to your character and guarantee that, you know, you have the funding to actually be here.

[00:52:28] In other words, they'll be responsible for you.

[00:52:30] Those kinds of things start to change the game.

[00:52:32] It's not amnesty, but it is a way forward, right?

[00:52:35] There's got to be a way forward for some of these people.

[00:52:37] The reason I brought up that analogy, comparing it to our home, is that's something we can all relate to.

[00:52:41] While we would have sympathy for some starving person, we just don't have the resources to let them eat our food, basically.

[00:52:48] And so, I mean, you don't go around Salt Lake and I don't go around Memphis picking up everybody on the street and letting them eat our, you know, take away from our own family.

[00:52:55] And I think as a government, you have to look at the country as your national family.

[00:53:00] And while it's sad, these other people are sad, we don't do it on a personal level.

[00:53:05] I don't think a government can do it on a national level.

[00:53:07] And it just has to be stopped.

[00:53:09] A yes and sad, I would probably try to do.

[00:53:11] The other thing we need to change instantly, too, is this.

[00:53:12] If you somehow get to the shores of the United States and have a baby, they claim it's a citizen baby now or whatever you want to say, an anchor baby.

[00:53:18] That's crazy.

[00:53:18] I think that needs to stop yesterday.

[00:53:20] That ought to be day one for Donald Trump.

[00:53:21] There's only about, by the way, you're talking about birthright citizenship out of the entire collection of humanity.

[00:53:30] Of the illegals.

[00:53:30] All of the nations in the world.

[00:53:32] And I can't remember how many there are.

[00:53:34] A couple of hundred, two or three hundred.

[00:53:36] I'd have to get the exact count of how many existing nations there are.

[00:53:39] But I think only about five of them have that.

[00:53:41] And the United States is one of them.

[00:53:43] Nobody in the world does that.

[00:53:44] It's insane.

[00:53:45] It's crazy.

[00:53:46] The United States and a couple of others.

[00:53:47] It needs to stop.

[00:53:48] And if you I don't even know legally if you could do retroactive where it's like, hey, you know what?

[00:53:53] Since Donald Trump has been out of office and Joe Biden was a clown.

[00:53:56] How many anchor babies do we have?

[00:53:58] We're going to retroactively say that you can do it.

[00:54:00] You can do those things.

[00:54:01] You can do anything.

[00:54:02] I mean, the government has done.

[00:54:03] Look at all the laws that have been changed since our inception.

[00:54:06] And most of them.

[00:54:06] And believe it or not, I would support that.

[00:54:08] I don't believe these anchor baby scenarios.

[00:54:11] No, it's great.

[00:54:11] Yeah.

[00:54:11] If I if I take my wife on vacation and she has a baby in France, he's French.

[00:54:15] You know, no.

[00:54:17] That's right.

[00:54:18] Crash the party.

[00:54:19] Go somewhere.

[00:54:19] All right.

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