Radio Show Hour 1 – 11/30/2024

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[00:00:35] This is the broadcast for Saturday, November the 30th, in the year of our Lord, 2024.

[00:00:42] It is Small Business Saturday, by the way.

[00:00:45] Don't forget to shop and focus local, if you will.

[00:00:49] We were live on Thanksgiving, live on this sacred day.

[00:00:54] Happy Thanksgiving 2024 to all from Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:00:58] We talked about a day of public Thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts

[00:01:05] the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording us the opportunity to have government.

[00:01:13] You know, it sounds crazy when there's so much wrong going on in government, but we absolutely back and support the proper role of limited constitutional government.

[00:01:22] Yes, indeed, with all the checks and balances, what an opportunity that is.

[00:01:26] When it runs off the rails, it gets hellish, I understand.

[00:01:29] But I also understand the solutions.

[00:01:32] I understand the hopes.

[00:01:34] I understand the reasons the founding fathers understood this.

[00:01:38] And George Washington articulated that in his Thanksgiving proclamation.

[00:01:43] Welcome to the broadcast.

[00:01:44] Hope you're all doing absolutely fantastic.

[00:01:46] As you know, we reject revolution and stand for peaceful restoration of the greatest country on the face of the earth.

[00:01:52] But you know what?

[00:01:53] If it's a Jesus revolution, then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:01:56] Dr. Scott Bradley's with me normally on Fridays.

[00:01:59] We took a break yesterday and got a Christmas tree.

[00:02:01] And we're live on Thursday.

[00:02:03] We're live today.

[00:02:04] And we've got a guest with us, a man who has a lot of experience in the back rooms of politics, if you will.

[00:02:13] Charles Key is his name.

[00:02:16] Mr. Key served in the Oklahoma legislature for 18 years.

[00:02:20] Here's CharlesKey.com for more context.

[00:02:23] He served, believe it or not, from like 86 to 98 and then took a break and came back in 06 to 12.

[00:02:29] So he had kind of a stint in between, which is interesting.

[00:02:32] We'll be talking about when he came back were things different than the first go-round.

[00:02:37] He's the author of a book called Stolen Government.

[00:02:39] Boy, howdy, is that the fact, right?

[00:02:41] He also put together the final report on the Oklahoma City bombing reality check.

[00:02:46] We'll get into that.

[00:02:47] Mr. Key is a warrior for truth and transparency in government.

[00:02:52] He's a dedicated leader for grassroots activism as well.

[00:02:56] I mean, the guy's a financial advisor.

[00:02:58] He's done a lot in his life.

[00:02:59] And now he's on Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:03:01] Welcome, sir.

[00:03:02] And happy Thanksgiving extended to you and your family.

[00:03:05] Well, thank you for having me, Sam.

[00:03:06] I really appreciate it.

[00:03:08] Excited to be with you guys.

[00:03:10] There's so much to talk about.

[00:03:12] The first kind of question I want to talk about a little bit is you went to the Oklahoma legislative body from 86 to 98.

[00:03:19] Then there was a break and then you came back for a six-year stint the second time.

[00:03:23] And there's few people who have done that.

[00:03:25] Donald Trump kind of gets that.

[00:03:28] A founding father back in the day, a former president did that as well.

[00:03:33] Steve Stockman did that in Congress, too, kind of left Ron Paul a little bit.

[00:03:37] So what's it like when you go there, then you leave and come back?

[00:03:41] Is it way different the second go around?

[00:03:44] Well, I mean, you know, if it's a short period of time, not much changes in a short period of time except some people, you know, get changed out.

[00:03:53] But I had like eight years in between, and as a Republican, I was in the minority the first 12 years.

[00:04:01] And then when I came back, the Republicans had gone into the majority.

[00:04:04] So, you know, it was different in that respect, which was big.

[00:04:08] But in terms of the book, we're going to talk about stolen government.

[00:04:13] Yet that big change didn't make any difference when it came to wanting to be the people.

[00:04:20] You know, some people get elected, they want to be the ones that are controlling things, making the decisions, moving up the ladder, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:04:27] And that's one thing I realized after being there for 12 years, that that was not going to change.

[00:04:33] Even though we'd taken over, and I believe things are better because of the Republicans, no doubt in my mind.

[00:04:39] Yet there are some things that never change, and the lust for power is maybe at the top of the list.

[00:04:45] Well, and that's why I kind of asked the question, because a lot of times people believe there's a massive difference

[00:04:49] between the Republicans and the Democrats.

[00:04:51] Others say there's not a dime's bit of difference between the two.

[00:04:55] Pat Buchanan referred to it as the left-right wings of the same bird of prey.

[00:05:01] And so it's really hard for me to kind of understand this.

[00:05:04] I agree that they're different in terms of what they say, what they run on.

[00:05:09] You know, you can talk about fundamental differences, pro-life, pro-death, or, you know, pro-war, pro-peace kind of thing.

[00:05:14] But they run on things, and then they govern on different things.

[00:05:19] And then they, you know, it's very mixed up and hard to kind of understand.

[00:05:23] What do you say?

[00:05:24] I mean, party matters on one hand.

[00:05:26] On the other hand, the founding fathers weren't just against parties.

[00:05:29] What do you say to all that?

[00:05:30] Because your experience really is kind of a case study in this, right?

[00:05:35] Yeah, it's kind of – it's not easy to just kind of put your finger on one thing or one primary thing

[00:05:41] and say this is kind of the sum of it all described simply.

[00:05:46] But, you know, it's human beings being thrown together, you know, in one place and one time to make decisions,

[00:05:53] and that's never a pretty thing, and it's difficult, and it can get crazy.

[00:05:58] But, you know, really what happens – the core of what we're talking about today is people don't understand,

[00:06:05] and I didn't going in my first time, even though I was extremely well-educated about our country,

[00:06:12] the form of government we had, and all that kind of stuff.

[00:06:14] I was just really focused on that most of my life.

[00:06:17] And I knew that, but I didn't know the legislative rules,

[00:06:21] the rules that when we sit down on the floor of the House or Senate, you know, you've got to raise your hand,

[00:06:26] you've got to push a button to get recognition, you've got to say things a certain way and, you know, be – et cetera, et cetera.

[00:06:32] And so those are the rules, and I think everybody kind of takes those for granted.

[00:06:36] They're boring, and they're very, you know, very boring.

[00:06:40] I'm not really one into the rules, but this book is about one particular rule, the book Stolen Government,

[00:06:47] and it will make a huge, giant difference in the kind of government that we actually get.

[00:06:53] And it's actually more like a lack of a rule.

[00:06:57] There are 30 states plus the federal legislature that allows the Speaker of the House

[00:07:03] and the Speaker Pro Tem of the Senate, the two guys that are at the top,

[00:07:07] to have effectively all power about what goes on in those bodies.

[00:07:11] They choose the vice chairman and the chairman, both, of every committee.

[00:07:15] They choose the whole membership of every committee.

[00:07:18] There's nothing that makes them do it a certain way or they have to let the minority party, you know,

[00:07:23] do this or that or the other.

[00:07:24] They'll usually accommodate that.

[00:07:26] But my point here is they do all of that.

[00:07:29] They choose where every bill gets assigned.

[00:07:32] There's not anything that says – not in Oklahoma.

[00:07:35] There may be in somewhere else.

[00:07:36] I haven't found it – that says a bill about agriculture, go to agriculture, education, go to education.

[00:07:42] They usually do.

[00:07:44] But the point here is the control, the ability to control who gets to see, talk, and vote on things

[00:07:53] and be heard even by bringing legislation.

[00:07:57] All of that power is concentrated up to the Speaker.

[00:08:01] He creates his team to get elected to that position, and then that team becomes the, quote, leadership team.

[00:08:08] And they literally control almost everything.

[00:08:11] The only time they can't really control things is when there's issues that are big enough in the public

[00:08:17] that they can't just deny it being heard outright, which we've all heard of that.

[00:08:22] They won't hear the bill, blah, blah, blah.

[00:08:24] The power in that, people misunderstand how much power there is in that simple act.

[00:08:31] And if we can just simply defang these people, take away that power, we will get a much better government.

[00:08:38] Looks like the rules are built on seniority.

[00:08:41] Oftentimes the rules are set to give the very few absolute dictatorial control.

[00:08:47] They do it with a velvet hammer kind of thing.

[00:08:50] If you go along, you gain power.

[00:08:53] Or if you don't go along, the velvet hammer hits you hard, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:08:57] They come to you and say you're a great Republican or a great Democrat freshman.

[00:09:02] But you know what?

[00:09:02] You got to leave this item alone.

[00:09:04] It'll do you so well if you focus over here or look over there or do this or do that.

[00:09:08] And those who buck the system, they're rambunctious, and they might be heard because they're forcing something

[00:09:15] that they ought not by either violating the rules or going to the media or doing something that's just unacceptable.

[00:09:20] They will be punished by not getting specific positions.

[00:09:23] They won't be on certain committees.

[00:09:25] In other words, they won't share in any of the power.

[00:09:27] They'll just kind of languish out there, and then they hope to get rid of them next election cycle.

[00:09:32] And it goes on and on.

[00:09:34] Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking to Charles Key.

[00:09:36] He's a warrior for truth and transparency in government.

[00:09:41] His book, Stolen Government, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:09:45] Dr. Scott Bradley is with us as well, freedomsrisingsun.com.

[00:09:48] Dr. Bradley, do you want to pick up on this conversation right here?

[00:09:52] Well, sure.

[00:09:52] You know I've always got plenty to say, so there's no lack of thoughts I have.

[00:09:57] You know, I might just before, as a preface to anything I'd say, Mr. Key, I'd say it's an honor to be able to visit with you this morning.

[00:10:10] I followed you to some degree years ago.

[00:10:13] The Oak City bombing was what I had a great deal of focus on.

[00:10:17] And I believe you had quite a bit of interaction with a friend of mine that I've known for decades, Bill Jasper, and he wrote an awful lot about it and stirred the pot a lot on it.

[00:10:28] But the Oak City bombing was one of those watershed moments in history.

[00:10:33] Go ahead and skip the break, Liz.

[00:10:35] So anyway, it's good to have you on.

[00:10:38] I'd love to talk in detail about that.

[00:10:40] But right now we're talking about your book, and that sounds fascinating to me.

[00:10:44] It highlights a challenge that I've ground my teeth over for decades.

[00:10:51] You know, about 80 years before the U.S. Constitution Convention in 1787, Daniel Defoe said all men would be tyrants if they could.

[00:11:02] And about 100 years after the convention, Lord Acton said power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[00:11:09] And I found this to be a human nature.

[00:11:12] Anybody gets in a position of power, they accrue and then ultimately begin to abuse power.

[00:11:18] And while the Constitution allows both houses of Congress to write their own rules, I think it's time for them to rewrite the rules.

[00:11:27] It's time to replace the people that are there that are insistent upon a policy that basically is a gatekeeper, narrow pass or whatever people have got to go through.

[00:11:42] And these people currently and in the past have been these people that Defoe and Acton warned us against.

[00:11:51] And they have wielded that, you know, iron fist in a velvet glove, if you will.

[00:11:59] So I'm all for changing this.

[00:12:02] It's a problem, though, because the establishment holds the power that would have that happen.

[00:12:08] And I've always been an advocate that we the people have a responsibility.

[00:12:13] You say, oh, yeah, this is so big in the public that they just can't ignore it.

[00:12:18] Well, I believe that everything should be big to the public.

[00:12:21] That First Amendment, the freedom of speech and press, ought to be exercised more voraciously by we the people so that we can.

[00:12:32] And this changing that single rule, if you will, I really do believe would facilitate a better form of government.

[00:12:42] But they have written the rules.

[00:12:43] It's become institutionalized.

[00:12:45] And those guys do wield a iron fist in a velvet glove.

[00:12:50] I mean, sometimes it's not so velvet.

[00:12:52] You watch some of these guys operate.

[00:12:55] But I'd love to.

[00:12:57] I mean, I haven't.

[00:12:57] This is the first I've heard of your book.

[00:12:59] I have not read it.

[00:13:00] I'll admit that up front.

[00:13:01] But it sounds like the premise of it has it sure it sure should grow legs, according to what I'm hearing at this point.

[00:13:09] So thank you for being on.

[00:13:11] I I'm interested in hearing more so I can get educated on how we can change this policy that seems to be a bane to the whole process of good government.

[00:13:22] So basically, you've got a situation where it permeates government.

[00:13:25] You've got a few in control of the many.

[00:13:27] They they use it based on senior seniority and the rules.

[00:13:31] And, you know, by the rule of law, they have the right to make their own rules.

[00:13:34] And the problem is that sets the stage to jettison anything.

[00:13:38] They don't want to gain power.

[00:13:40] Now, guys like me, they always say, Sam, you should run for president.

[00:13:43] You should run to be in the legislature.

[00:13:44] Folks, I don't seek for power.

[00:13:46] I seek to pull it down.

[00:13:47] That's the problem.

[00:13:49] With that, Charles, key.

[00:13:51] Yeah, we've got to keep doing that.

[00:13:53] And that's what not just the founders told us through their experience, but people throughout history have told us you got to keep an eye on government because like the doctor.

[00:14:03] And thank you for your comments.

[00:14:07] Like he said, you know, there's too many examples of government getting out of control.

[00:14:13] But let me say this real quick.

[00:14:15] You know, by the way, to talk about the Oklahoma City bombing, we probably need a whole hour to do that.

[00:14:20] I remember I did so much.

[00:14:24] It got so involved being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:14:27] I was invited everywhere to speak and on a jillion radio shows and what have you.

[00:14:33] And I was invited to come up there to Denver.

[00:14:35] I believe it was the winter of 96.

[00:14:38] And I think we drove up there.

[00:14:40] We might have flown.

[00:14:41] But we were at a hotel.

[00:14:42] I believe it was a Holiday Inn.

[00:14:45] It was snowing and just, you know, wasn't good for Okies.

[00:14:49] We couldn't move if it snowed like that in Oklahoma City.

[00:14:52] But there was a giant crowd.

[00:14:55] There was a giant crowd of people there, bigger than any crowd I think I've ever gone to, to speak on an Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:15:02] I think it was way over 200 people.

[00:15:04] And I really always remember that.

[00:15:07] But back to the stolen government, this one issue, when I first got elected as a member of the minority party in the Republican Party back in 86,

[00:15:18] 86, 86, you know, in those years that followed, it shocked me when I was not having a bill put on a committee agenda.

[00:15:26] And it shocked me when I went to the committee chairman.

[00:15:29] I said, hey, I want to have my bill heard.

[00:15:30] Are you going to put it on the agenda?

[00:15:31] And he just said, no, I'm not going to.

[00:15:34] And frankly, I don't remember what excuse he gave me then because that became a series, not just for me, but I found that it happens to many legislators,

[00:15:42] especially like you said earlier, if you're a member of the minority party or you don't come into the system and get along and play the game,

[00:15:52] then you'll be marginalized.

[00:15:54] And so it just shocked me that they could just outright deny that one duly elected member telling another duly elected member,

[00:16:03] regardless of what kind of title somebody gave them, that they could deny another duly elected member from speaking, just basic free speech.

[00:16:13] It's really not saying no to that legislator.

[00:16:16] It's not just somebody like me that's got a burden to their saddle because they're really ticked off because they wouldn't hear certain bills or whatever.

[00:16:23] They're saying no to the people that sent them up there and not just from that district, but they're telling all the people in that state, we know better.

[00:16:32] We're putting our hand on the scale, as the saying goes, and we're going to decide because we know better.

[00:16:38] But what it really is, it's special interest groups that donate lots of money and large donors that donate lots of money,

[00:16:46] especially to those in leadership.

[00:16:47] leadership, and they're almost always those who are trying to move up the ladder that have a strong ambition on a personal level.

[00:16:56] They're backing those people.

[00:16:58] They're chiming in on what bills they do and don't want to be heard.

[00:17:03] And that's the bottom line.

[00:17:04] And that's why our government's turned into a money machine to the degree that it has because we, the people, aren't controlling it only a little bit.

[00:17:14] The elected officials are just kind of looking over their shoulder from time to time and worrying about maybe occasionally what the people want or don't want.

[00:17:23] But in the meantime, it's those special interest groups that are filling up their campaign coffers with lots of money that they listen to the most.

[00:17:31] Well, a lot of people want to, you know, they say we've tried everything.

[00:17:34] It's now time to secede from the union.

[00:17:36] It's now time to declare war.

[00:17:37] It's now time to whatever.

[00:17:38] And I reject all that, Charles Key.

[00:17:41] And what I say is this, you know, until the people get involved enough to demand change, it isn't going to happen.

[00:17:46] I mean, literally every two years, you know, they claim we need term limits.

[00:17:49] They claim we need this.

[00:17:50] They claim we need that.

[00:17:51] Look, every two years, we can literally route the whole 435 members of the House.

[00:17:55] Gone.

[00:17:56] Every two years, we can route one third of the Senate.

[00:17:59] Gone.

[00:17:59] Gone.

[00:17:59] Every four years, we could get rid of the president.

[00:18:02] Gone.

[00:18:02] And literally a six-year term, everybody could be gone if we demanded it.

[00:18:05] And so the problem is that the people are not involved and engaged enough, and you're going to end up with the government that you, by not willing to do anything, end up with that you get.

[00:18:17] So we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

[00:18:19] And I know people get really, really, really frustrated.

[00:18:22] But our system is designed on purpose that way, right?

[00:18:27] Yeah, exactly.

[00:18:27] Exactly.

[00:18:28] And we do have that ability.

[00:18:30] I mean, I've heard it for decades now.

[00:18:33] You know, when I got elected the second time in 06, the Republicans had taken over.

[00:18:38] And I remember sitting on the floor of the House that first day as we were getting ready to take our oath of office.

[00:18:45] We did, and there were speeches and all kinds of things that go on.

[00:18:47] And I was sitting there reflecting at age – I think I was 50 at that time.

[00:18:53] And I was reflecting on not just my past experience but growing up and going to so many meetings.

[00:18:59] I was real fortunate to have a connection with people at my church and elsewhere that were strong patriots, very well-educated.

[00:19:09] And they conducted public meetings and invited speakers in to help educate the public.

[00:19:13] I thought back then as I went to some of those meetings when I was in, you know, my very early 20s approximately.

[00:19:19] And I heard people in Q&A sessions during meetings like that say, well, look, you know, we don't turn things around in 10 years or 20 years, 30 years.

[00:19:30] Sometimes they say 40 years, it's going to really be bad.

[00:19:34] And as I sat there on the floor, I thought, you know, it's been that 20 and 30 years since I heard people say that.

[00:19:39] And you can just look back at the huge difference in our country.

[00:19:44] But we really can change it.

[00:19:47] It's not hard.

[00:19:48] Here in Oklahoma, this election cycle that we're just completing right now, we turned out a bunch of incumbents and ones in leadership like I've never seen anywhere.

[00:20:00] It's the largest candidate ever in my history.

[00:20:04] And we had the incoming pro tem of the Senate beat out by grassroots.

[00:20:10] We had probably – I've lost track, but it's about 10 or 11 other incumbents that were beat out because of the people came to the battle, so to speak,

[00:20:24] and they made it aware through the various campaign, you know, ads and materials and stuff.

[00:20:29] They really got out there, went door to door and made the constituents aware of how these guys had voted.

[00:20:34] The point is we can get involved and we can make it too big to rig.

[00:20:38] We can get involved.

[00:20:40] And look, we can have our say.

[00:20:42] But if there's only a few of us, though, you know, if there's a Taylor Swift concert, hey, the place is just overwhelmed.

[00:20:48] You know, if it's a football game, the place is overwhelmed and support's crazy.

[00:20:52] And if it's some clown show idea, there's plenty of money that rolls in it.

[00:20:56] But if it's about the proper rule of limited constitutional government, the morality of the people or anything that has teeth for solutions, man, it's very sparsely attended, Dr. Bradley.

[00:21:07] Well, I'm always and we've talked enough about this, Sam, over the years that I'm an advocate of we the people and that the institution that we started, we didn't.

[00:21:17] Our founding fathers did every step of the way.

[00:21:21] It was done through a representative form of government, a Republican form of government.

[00:21:25] And the people choose their trusted representatives.

[00:21:30] And we've come to be complicit and complacent in so many ways in America today that we basically turn our whole future over, our future of our grandchildren over to people that, as Mr. Key pointed out, the lobbyists have inordinate amount of influence.

[00:21:49] Now, I'm not so worried about lobbyists as I am the actions of the representatives.

[00:21:55] And if the representatives are listening to the lobbyists and doing the wrong thing, we the people can remove them.

[00:22:02] And so I don't care if a bazillion dollars go into the lobbyists, through the lobbyists, as long as we know our representatives are actually holding the tiller, if you will, on a steady course based upon principles.

[00:22:16] But the problem is that we have allowed these lobbyists such an inordinate amount of power because our representatives are unprincipled, I believe.

[00:22:26] Now, just as a quick example, and I know we've got to take a break for the bottom of the hour, but for many, many years, decades, literally, I've been involved in these efforts to influence and make sure principles are abided by.

[00:22:40] And I was in a committee meeting at one point.

[00:22:43] And, you know, you look around, you get to know some of the people that are, well, like me, that seem to be junkies on this stuff.

[00:22:51] Then you get to know the lobbyists, too.

[00:22:53] And I knew this one lobbyist quite well.

[00:22:55] And he, you know, his eyes were rolling back in his head as the committee droned on with his business and everything like that.

[00:23:02] And he kept looking at his watch and and probably about halfway through the committee meeting, he got up and he walked to the front and he tapped the chair on the shoulder.

[00:23:15] And they leaned over and whispered together for a while, had a little chuckle together.

[00:23:20] And then he walked out.

[00:23:22] The whole tenor of the meeting changed because the decision had been made based upon the input of that input of that lobbyist.

[00:23:29] And it just it just boiled me.

[00:23:32] I mean, it was so amazingly blatant about how this thing was was turned around based upon a lobbyist position.

[00:23:39] And we, the people, need to recognize that these representatives are selling themselves to these people.

[00:23:47] And we need to recognize that that, you know, we mentioned earlier this process with the seniority.

[00:23:54] But this is a problem.

[00:23:56] The good Dr. Scott Bradley's with me.

[00:23:58] His website's freedomsrisingsun.com.

[00:24:00] Check on his weekly webinars, Q&As on the Constitution and more at freedomsrisingsun.com.

[00:24:05] You can also check out his collegiate series to preserve the nation.

[00:24:09] Charles Key with us as well, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:24:12] He served in the Oklahoma legislature for 18 years.

[00:24:15] He's written a book about it called Stolen Government.

[00:24:18] He also wrote the final report to the Alfred P. Mirup building on the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:24:24] We want to dig into that, too.

[00:24:25] To learn more, charleskey.com.

[00:24:27] He's a warrior for truth and transparency in government.

[00:24:31] And he's basically got a clarion call for open government.

[00:24:35] Boy, do we need that as well.

[00:24:36] Charleskey.com.

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[00:30:23] Back with you live, ladies and gentlemen, our guest today, Charles Key.

[00:30:28] He was in the Oklahoma legislature for 18 years.

[00:30:31] He's the author of a book as a result of his experiences called Stolen Government.

[00:30:36] It's a clarion call for open government.

[00:30:39] It's a clarion call for we the people to get involved and take our country back.

[00:30:43] We're under siege by these people that literally sell themselves out for power, control, and filthy lucre is the bottom line.

[00:30:51] And ladies and gentlemen, all I can tell you is this.

[00:30:53] We mentioned in the last half hour all the details of how we the people can claim our country.

[00:30:58] But we've got to get involved and there's nothing else that will take its place.

[00:31:01] Nothing else will get it done.

[00:31:03] You can put a law in place, won't help.

[00:31:04] You can do this, that, because they can make up their own rules and they can circumvent the law.

[00:31:08] And they can literally, as Dr. Bradley pointed out the example,

[00:31:12] hey, somebody comes up, a lobbyist and whispers in somebody's ear and changes the whole outcome of a meeting.

[00:31:17] They change the whole outcome of bills by arm twisting and everything else that way.

[00:31:20] They decide who can be heard and who won't be heard, which bills come up for discussions or even to be passed and which ones don't.

[00:31:27] Okay?

[00:31:27] They've got so much control.

[00:31:29] And the only way is for enough Americans to get involved to demand accountability and transparency.

[00:31:34] The only other solution that I know of, and then I want to go to Mr. Key on this,

[00:31:40] is we need to turn to God Almighty.

[00:31:41] You know what?

[00:31:42] With God, all things are possible.

[00:31:44] Without God, we're in trouble.

[00:31:46] The founders knew it.

[00:31:47] We should understand it and know it as well.

[00:31:50] If we turn to God, he will heal our land and protect us, we're promised in the Bible.

[00:31:54] So, Dr. Key, I think getting involved is one, but turning to God is another.

[00:31:57] That's the two-pronged solution.

[00:31:59] Without that, I don't know that there's any other option that has any validity.

[00:32:04] Your thoughts?

[00:32:05] No.

[00:32:05] Prayer is definitely extremely important, but I will have to say this.

[00:32:09] I'm a member of the church, have been my whole life, brought up in it, still go to the same church I've gone to since I was about six or seven years old.

[00:32:17] People pray a lot, and some don't.

[00:32:20] We need more prayer.

[00:32:21] But a lot of people aren't doing anything else.

[00:32:23] They're actually praying, and then they're going and voting for the wrong people.

[00:32:28] I wanted to tell one or two stories on stolen government where we got into the bombing, but this makes me want to tell another quick story.

[00:32:34] I'll never forget about probably 15 years ago.

[00:32:37] I go to church on a Wednesday night.

[00:32:39] The previous day of Tuesday was an election day.

[00:32:42] A lady that is like my parents' age, and I grew up with their kids.

[00:32:46] She's passed away now.

[00:32:47] She stopped me in the foyer before church got started.

[00:32:50] She goes, hey, Charles, hey, it looks like we did real good in the elections and this, that, and the other.

[00:32:54] And she goes, yeah, we were kind of talking about that.

[00:32:56] And she goes, oh, and I voted for that so-and-so guy, a county officer that was a very outward homosexual rights guy, and he got elected.

[00:33:06] And she says, oh, and I voted for so-and-so too.

[00:33:09] And I said, what?

[00:33:09] You voted for him?

[00:33:10] She goes, yeah.

[00:33:11] And I said, well, did you know he's an activist, homosexual politician, blah, blah, blah.

[00:33:17] She goes, she almost had a heart attack.

[00:33:20] She goes, what?

[00:33:20] I didn't know that.

[00:33:22] So the point here is prayer is number one.

[00:33:26] But number two, and it's on the list, it has to be done like prayer, take action.

[00:33:33] And the first action is get informed and make sure you know what's going on so when you cast a vote it's informed.

[00:33:39] All right, I don't want to miss your other story on stolen government.

[00:33:42] Give me another one real quick, then we'll move to the bombing here.

[00:33:44] There's just too much to talk about with good guests like this, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:33:47] Yeah, here's the deal with these leaders having the power to just deny the right to have a bill heard.

[00:33:54] It means you, the listener, people that are listening.

[00:33:57] It means you elect people to go up there.

[00:33:59] You might elect really good people, which a lot of them go up there all the time.

[00:34:02] And then they can't do what they say they're going to do, what they told their constituents.

[00:34:09] And then what do they do next?

[00:34:10] Some of them actually get assimilated into the system, kind of like the board on Star Trek.

[00:34:15] They just get brought in.

[00:34:16] They become part of the system and the problem.

[00:34:18] A lot of them just try to stay silent, try to get what they can done, try to vote right with what they can vote on.

[00:34:25] But then, you know, the bottom line is the constituents aren't getting to see voting records on things that don't get brought up.

[00:34:33] Pick whatever is the most important stuff there in Colorado right now.

[00:34:37] Would you want someone to bring a bill that actually just fixed that issue?

[00:34:41] Well, you can't if the special interest groups and the leadership don't want you to.

[00:34:47] If they don't want you to bring that up, you're not going to bring it up.

[00:34:50] Your constituents aren't going to see a vote on it.

[00:34:52] And during a campaign, there's not going to be a contest where people are going, this guy said he was about this, but he voted this way, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:35:00] Things are being hidden behind the scenes.

[00:35:04] Another quick story.

[00:35:05] Earlier this year, we had a bill called Patience Bill of Rights here in Oklahoma.

[00:35:09] It went through the House.

[00:35:11] The special interest groups have always tried to fight it and keep it from going in, and it's usually the hospital association and people like that.

[00:35:16] Well, they got it through the House because the guy that was carrying it had a leadership position, and he could force it through.

[00:35:23] But it gets over to the Senate.

[00:35:24] They get it out of the committee, but then they won't let it go forward because special interest groups don't like it.

[00:35:29] And they keep trying to – this big group of constituents that had loved ones that died in hospitals want this patient's bill of rights.

[00:35:37] And so finally they're at this meeting where a whole bunch of people are there.

[00:35:40] It's open, and the Senate author that had been trying to tell these people, look, they're trying to make us change this to let it go forward, or they won't let it go forward.

[00:35:50] And the people looked at the bill that they changed, and it just had the name on it, Patience Bill of Rights still, and all the stuff inside.

[00:35:56] It was gone.

[00:35:57] It was just gobbledygook talk.

[00:36:00] It was nothing like we've seen so many bills like that.

[00:36:02] And they refused.

[00:36:03] They said, absolutely not.

[00:36:04] We're not going to go along with that.

[00:36:06] And the senator says out loud to everyone, well, if we don't make these changes, it's not going to get heard because the hospital association doesn't want it heard.

[00:36:15] So we're seeing legislators start to say things publicly and out loud, like they cast secret votes for who their next speaker was.

[00:36:24] Well, a lot of them chastised their own constituents for telling them they wanted to know who they voted for and wanted to direct who they voted for.

[00:36:31] So they're getting real arrogant at the state level and federal level more and more because there's not really accountability there.

[00:36:39] So we – in Oklahoma, one last thing on this issue.

[00:36:42] We are certain it's not going to be changed by the legislature.

[00:36:46] They are not going to change the rules.

[00:36:49] So we're going to run a petition, a citizen's petition in the state of Oklahoma that's going to say any duly elected member of the House or Senate cannot deny another duly elected member the right to have their bill heard if they put it in writing to be heard at the committee level and then likewise the same thing at the floor level.

[00:37:10] It has to be heard if they put it in writing, and they have to cast a vote on it up or down.

[00:37:16] And so we're going to make it happen because we know they are not going to do it.

[00:37:20] They're just never going to take away their own power.

[00:37:22] Amen.

[00:37:23] That's a good blueprint for across the nation.

[00:37:25] Dr. Bradley, quickly, you have the final word on this before we move to the Oklahoma City bombing and the summary report that was released by Mr. Key and others about this.

[00:37:35] Most people don't even know really the final summary of it and then the future.

[00:37:39] This issue isn't dead, the Oklahoma City bombing issue.

[00:37:41] But finish up, Dr. Bradley, on this real quick, then we'll move to it.

[00:37:44] Well, you know, I don't want to take away from the discussion on the Oak City bombing.

[00:37:49] I've been following government Bravo Sierra since 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin and, of course, even before that, the Kennedy assassination, the Bobby Kennedy assassination, the Oak City bombing, the 9-11.

[00:38:04] I mean, I've got all of these reports on the credenza of my desk in back of me all the time.

[00:38:10] I mean, these kinds of things, hinge points in America.

[00:38:14] And I'd love to hear his inside story on that.

[00:38:17] But he's right.

[00:38:18] They need to take the power back.

[00:38:20] The people need to compel the legislature to say this is how we are going to do business.

[00:38:27] They're in a group of equals.

[00:38:30] They're not nobody's more elite than anybody else.

[00:38:34] And for somebody to say, oh, no, because of the title I have in my job, I'm going to prevent the hearing of something that your people sent you here to discuss.

[00:38:45] And I think that we've got to break that.

[00:38:48] And maybe this citizen initiative kind of thing with a petition might be a we're going to have to track that because so often the elites, the leadership, so-called, in these positions of power, just plately, they send it to ground.

[00:39:04] They're done.

[00:39:05] They don't want to hear it.

[00:39:06] And it just poof, gone.

[00:39:08] So I'm going to have to follow what comes out of this Oklahoma approach to this because maybe it's something we could expand to go across the world with.

[00:39:17] That's what I'd like to see happen.

[00:39:21] People need to know about this.

[00:39:23] They need to know what all the ramifications of it is because it's not just a simple matter, gee, they won't hear our bills.

[00:39:31] They're silencing the constituency.

[00:39:33] They're silencing the people, the taxpayers, the voters, the citizens.

[00:39:37] And so that's why I call the book Stolen Government.

[00:39:41] I mean it's outrageous really when you think about it.

[00:39:44] Freedom of speech.

[00:39:45] It's like having duct tape slapped on your mouth.

[00:39:48] You go up there and you can't do anything.

[00:39:49] You can only push the green or red button on what they let you push the green or red button about.

[00:39:57] That's all.

[00:39:57] And so it's so corrupt.

[00:40:02] There's 20 states, as a matter of fact.

[00:40:05] Colorado might be one of them, that has some kind of language that does attempt to require that every bill get a disposition, meaning a hearing of some type.

[00:40:15] And in many states and in the book, I interviewed people from around the country that were legislators so they could talk about this, some from those states where it works well.

[00:40:24] And so this is not some new idea.

[00:40:27] In Oklahoma, they tried in the past.

[00:40:29] They tried to tell us internally, you know, we can't do this.

[00:40:32] Oh, it's going to cause chaos and this, that, and the other.

[00:40:34] Well, the fact is it's done in 20 other states, and the world has not come to an end.

[00:40:40] I went up to Nebraska back when I was in the legislature for another event, and while I was there, we talked about this.

[00:40:45] And they said, well, hey, we're having a committee meeting.

[00:40:48] You want to attend that committee meeting?

[00:40:49] Watch how it works.

[00:40:50] You know, it's not a big deal.

[00:40:52] It works the way committees are supposed to work, and everything's fine.

[00:40:55] We don't need a speaker or speaker pro tem that sits over and above all the other legislators and can veto them and all what the people want.

[00:41:04] It's not the way our system works, but that's what we've got now.

[00:41:08] Well, and the Oklahoma City bombing, believe it or not, is kind of similar when it comes to what we can hear and what we can't hear.

[00:41:15] The media has gotten in bed with government and literally perverted this whole thing.

[00:41:20] Now, I've been on the radio for 30 years, and, you know, folks like me covered the Oklahoma City bombing when it occurred.

[00:41:26] We were around and we were involved, and we, okay, and I just want to say most people don't have the truth about this whole thing.

[00:41:33] But the truth is very, very different from what we've heard.

[00:41:36] And what's most important about the Oklahoma City bombing right now is this report that Mr. Key put together.

[00:41:42] He'll summarize it for us here in just a second, but I want to make this very clear.

[00:41:46] It's what we do going forward.

[00:41:47] We don't have all the answers on this, and we need Donald Trump to absolutely double down and give us transparency and accountability when it comes to the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:41:58] We never got that done back in the day, and it's been what now?

[00:42:02] 20, 98, 108, 118, 26 years or whatever it is.

[00:42:06] 30 years almost.

[00:42:07] 30 next year.

[00:42:09] Yeah, so we've got to get answers on this kind of stuff, right?

[00:42:12] Anyway, Mr. Key, let's go ahead and do the summary of it.

[00:42:15] There's so many different – I mean, you could go on for hours about all the inferences of this, but give us kind of the nutshell summary of this thing first, will you?

[00:42:24] Yeah, that's kind of tricky, but the thing about the Oklahoma City bombing is people always want to know when I do interviews and stuff, well, who did it?

[00:42:32] What's the real essence of it?

[00:42:34] And the essence of it, from what I've discovered, is it was a fake sting operation put together by the ATF primarily with knowledge from other DOJ participants, higher-ups.

[00:42:47] And the reason I say this – I'm going to pause for a minute – is because one of our congresspersons here in Oklahoma, one of their top staff people, I was able to have a conversation with him in which he told me exactly what I'm saying.

[00:43:02] He said, let me tell you, I had a meeting with an assistant DOJ and an assistant ATF, I mean, just above the top guys.

[00:43:13] And they, among other things they were talking about, he asked them about the Oklahoma City bombing, and they said, well, the genesis of the Oklahoma City bombing was a fake sting operation that was put together after Waco to try to make the ATF look good.

[00:43:28] And it was – how it went out of control is yet to be fully determined, but it blew up both figuratively and literally in their faces and everybody else's.

[00:43:40] They were hoping to have an incredible win to put them back in the good graces, and it didn't work out that way for a variety of reasons.

[00:43:48] When we say whodunit and exactly the details, we don't have all that.

[00:43:52] But you know what?

[00:43:53] President Trump can bring transparency and accountability to this whole thing.

[00:43:57] And my response is, hey, unless you're just going to outright abolish the ATF, which I advocate for, we need heads to roll on this thing, though.

[00:44:04] There's still people there now that were part of it then and et cetera, and we can't let these things stand because that's what really allows government to continue to have the upper hand.

[00:44:15] When media tells the lies for them and nobody does the digging, the who, what, when, where, and why like you have, when – okay, then they can literally have their way with us and say and do anything they want to do with absolute impunity.

[00:44:25] We cannot have that, Mr. Kennedy.

[00:44:27] No, we can't.

[00:44:28] We've got to stop it.

[00:44:29] You know, I'll never forget this.

[00:44:31] The final report, let me say this about it.

[00:44:33] It's 555 pages long.

[00:44:35] It's the size of a phone book.

[00:44:37] It has about 130, 20-something pages of the appendix.

[00:44:43] It has about 100 pages of color diagrams, photos from experts and what have you.

[00:44:50] The book is not my story.

[00:44:52] The book is in a report format, and so that's the size of it.

[00:44:58] And then we broke it up in categories like there's the John Doe witnesses.

[00:45:03] There's a chapter on John Doe's.

[00:45:06] There's a chapter on prior knowledge.

[00:45:07] There's a chapter on what we call the science, meaning the building, the explosive devices, the experts.

[00:45:13] We've got eight experts, the world's top experts in there.

[00:45:19] And this report came out almost right at six years after the bombing, just before, just, I mean, two weeks before the 9-11 happened.

[00:45:30] And I'll never forget, over that period of time, it was big news here in Oklahoma for several years and even across the country.

[00:45:37] But even up to that time in Oklahoma, the news people would come up to me and they'd ask me every time something happened.

[00:45:42] And they were looking forward to this report.

[00:45:45] And I kind of naturally said this in a variety of the interviews.

[00:45:49] I said, well, they said, why do you keep pursuing this?

[00:45:53] And I said, well, you've got to keep pursuing these kind of things or they will happen again.

[00:45:57] You've got to correct these things in government or they'll happen again.

[00:46:01] Because when they get away with it, when they're not held accountable, even if it's just incompetence or something, you know, they get sloppy.

[00:46:08] And I'll never forget when the report came out, we had not given a press conference to unveil it, you know, publicly yet.

[00:46:16] And 9-11 happened.

[00:46:17] And a lot of those reporters came to my office.

[00:46:19] They wanted to do interviews again.

[00:46:21] And they were really – they were so uptight.

[00:46:24] They were – it was like they – you know, well, it was the 9-11 case is what it was.

[00:46:29] But they were talking about Oklahoma City.

[00:46:31] And one of them actually said, well, say that what you used to say, that if we don't do this, something will happen again.

[00:46:38] One of them wanted me to say that again.

[00:46:41] And that's really what I'm saying here is that I want people to know how big this report is.

[00:46:45] It's huge.

[00:46:46] It's huge.

[00:46:47] It's not a bunch of just talk where people are going, I heard this and I heard that.

[00:46:51] But we took affidavits both in written form, video, and audio of all these witnesses and all these different people that we'll need to cover in another interview someday if we can have it.

[00:47:03] But it decisively shows any person that is open-minded, even a little bit, that this was done by multiple parties and it was not done by a few domestic guys that got –

[00:47:19] And it was done with government foreknowledge and involvement, Dr. Bradley.

[00:47:24] You know, it's interesting to me that they say an air-coupled bombing – you know, you got a truck parked out on the street and it causes this devastating level of damage.

[00:47:34] This was absolutely not an air-coupled bombing.

[00:47:38] This was using reflective explosive technology.

[00:47:41] I mean, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were two yo-yos that couldn't set off fireworks in their backyard without burning their fingers.

[00:47:49] These guys did not have the technological understanding necessary to do what this extreme outcome came as.

[00:47:58] And Mr. Key is absolutely right.

[00:48:01] This was something that is going to repeat and repeat and repeat.

[00:48:05] And to think that we have government agencies – this is less than 30 years, kids.

[00:48:10] I mean, this is – there are people that are still probably in the ATF that have personal firsthand knowledge, maybe even involved.

[00:48:19] And it's kind of like – it's time.

[00:48:22] It is absolutely time for Trump to take the gloves off, to take the blinders off and say,

[00:48:29] look, this kind of stuff is going on through some of our agencies and this needs to be corrected.

[00:48:35] Whether it's the CIA with the John F. Kennedy assassination and, you know, them saying,

[00:48:43] no, no, we've got to protect the guilty, so the innocent, you know, whatever.

[00:48:46] I am just appalled that we've let it go this long.

[00:48:50] It's time to take the covers off.

[00:48:52] Let's see these things.

[00:48:53] And this is one of the things that needs to be exposed.

[00:48:56] So I hope Trump has enough courage to do that.

[00:48:57] The question is, do you think Donald Trump will get it done?

[00:49:00] Charles Key, are we going to have transparency and accountability?

[00:49:02] Because if we don't have it with the Oklahoma City bombing or JFK or 9-11 or whatever,

[00:49:06] we're not going to get it done anything going forward either.

[00:49:08] That is your point.

[00:49:10] Well, and I'm real hopeful about Trump and his administration.

[00:49:13] But in regards specifically to Oklahoma City, I have no clue.

[00:49:17] But I want to put the full court press on from what I can do and anybody here in Oklahoma,

[00:49:22] send multiple people copies of this report and other details about it

[00:49:30] and ask that they address it, you know, however they're going to do it.

[00:49:34] I don't know what else to do.

[00:49:35] If we could get a groundswell of people across the country that was doing the same thing,

[00:49:39] you know, calling whatever it is, emails, what have you, and encouraging them to do that.

[00:49:44] I'll tell you a quick story.

[00:49:46] You know, I was doing all these interviews during the bombing, just constantly.

[00:49:49] It was just amazing to go through that.

[00:49:52] It's such an unusual situation.

[00:49:53] And so I get a call from Court TV.

[00:49:56] They say, well, you go down to do a show tonight on Court TV

[00:49:59] and drive down to OU in Norman to use one of their studios down there.

[00:50:05] And there's going to be a guy there from the DA's office in Oklahoma County.

[00:50:10] Okay, so it's me and him.

[00:50:11] We're chairs sitting right next to each other.

[00:50:14] And I'm doing all the controversial stuff.

[00:50:16] That guy was – he wasn't even the head guy.

[00:50:18] He was just an assistant, a very nice young man who later became a county attorney in another county.

[00:50:25] And so I'm saying all the controversial stuff.

[00:50:27] He's just there filling a role and didn't have much to say.

[00:50:31] So afterwards we start talking and start sharing some stuff, and he really starts opening up to me.

[00:50:37] And it was at that point – I'm telling the story for this one reason.

[00:50:40] He said, well, I can tell you who's running the investigation for the federal government.

[00:50:45] I said, well, who's that?

[00:50:46] And he said it's Merrick Garland, Jamie Gorlick, and Abner Mikva.

[00:50:53] Abner Mikva's dead now.

[00:50:55] But all of those are FOBs, friends of Hillary and Bill, big time, as we all know now.

[00:51:01] At the time, I really – I'd heard Merrick Garland's name.

[00:51:04] I didn't know anything about him.

[00:51:06] I knew Jamie Gorlick was supposed to be a good buddy a long time with Hillary.

[00:51:09] Well, now 30 years has gone by almost, so look what Merrick Garland's had his hands on since then.

[00:51:17] Well, and that's my critical point here is that, look, these people are still doing the damage, and we still need accountability for these people.

[00:51:24] It's like in 20 years are we going to get to the bottom of the Fauci facade, as Dr. Bradley puts it.

[00:51:29] Are we going to get to the bottom of some of these things?

[00:51:30] If we don't, I'm telling you right now, they'll just have more false flag operations everywhere, ladies and gentlemen, and have their way with the people.

[00:51:36] And you and I will never be able to take back our government because all they'll do is just launch a false flag.

[00:51:41] Whenever you and I get close or start – the natives get restless, then boom, we just have a false flag and kind of calm everybody down.

[00:51:47] And, you know, through deception and misdirection, point everybody everywhere else, Mr. Key.

[00:51:54] Yeah, they're planning right now as we speak.

[00:51:57] And before we're speaking, we know this.

[00:52:00] They're always planning to do things to take over.

[00:52:05] And that's what they're doing now with the Trump win and all that.

[00:52:08] You know, they're making plans to disrupt and counter and play their minority role, but, you know, they've gotten pretty radical at it.

[00:52:15] So I don't really consider a lot of what they do anymore legitimate political alternative views.

[00:52:21] I consider it more like criminality.

[00:52:25] All right, Mr. Key, do you have time to stay with us the second hour?

[00:52:28] Do you got a fly or can you stay with us?

[00:52:30] I can stay for about another 30 minutes.

[00:52:32] All right, let's have you stay here.

[00:52:35] I want to get more into the Oklahoma City bombing.

[00:52:37] I want to talk about this reality and this clarion call for open government.

[00:52:42] You know, the Oklahoma City bombing, I knew a lot about it because Kenneth Trudeau, I think that's his name.

[00:52:49] Anyway, he was – no, Trinidue, Jesse and Kenneth.

[00:52:53] Anyway, Kenneth was an attorney who dug into his brother's death quite a bit.

[00:52:57] And he was from Utah, and I had him on the radio quite a bit about it, and he basically exposed a lot of things that really pointed to foreknowledge, really pointed to high-level government officials, you know, rearranging the chairs on the Titanic so that there was no smoking guns and all this kind of stuff.

[00:53:13] And that's kind of where I gained a lot of my knowledge about the backroom dealings of this thing.

[00:53:19] Is a lot of that in the report?

[00:53:22] Yes.

[00:53:23] Well, it's comprehensive.

[00:53:25] We don't hold anything back.

[00:53:27] Everything that was – I was having stuff come at me like a fire hose big time, you know, for several years.

[00:53:33] We hired professional investigators.

[00:53:36] Fortunately, we had people that had money and others that just gave $2,500, $50,000 here and there that helped us fund this to pay for legal fees, and we hired professional investigators, professionals.

[00:53:49] And we did – that book, that 555-page book is available on Amazon, but it's expensive, but you can get an – not an audible, but an electronic copy for like $10.

[00:54:05] And you can see all this stuff yourself.

[00:54:08] I hear we're going on a break, and we'll get into it.

[00:54:11] All right, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:54:14] I don't even know what to say about this except for, look, this is an example of something that – hey, it happened in 95, right?

[00:54:20] So it's almost 30 years.

[00:54:22] And I'm telling you, we don't have answers on it.

[00:54:24] We don't have JFK answers.

[00:54:26] 60 years.

[00:54:28] We don't have Donald Trump assassination attempt answers.

[00:54:31] Day zero, almost, right?

[00:54:33] And you look at that and you go, man, are we getting any closer to the truth?

[00:54:37] Well, I think we've got a lot better investigative skills and more people are savvy to get on it, so it's harder for them to cover these things up.

[00:54:42] But they're still doing it with impunity.

[00:54:44] How long are we going to allow it, huh?

[00:54:46] Hour one of the can, two coming up.

[00:54:47] Hang tight.