* Guest: Lew Moore, Co-Founder - SecureVote.News
* Lew Moore: Host of Hour of Decision - LibertyNewsRadio.com
* Guest: Utah Rep. Phil Lyman - LymanForUtah.com
A Proven Leader Committed to Utah's Growth and Prosperity - Better Roads Ahead - As governor, Phil Lyman will stand up for Utah.
* PRESS RELEASE: Lyman Files Appeal to US Supreme Court!
* Spencer Cox Falls Short on Signatures.
The Legislative Audit Committee ordered an audit of the signatures Spencer Cox gathered to qualify for the primary election. Although the audit is still in progress, auditors have informed the legislature that Cox likely failed to collect the required number of signatures. As with most audits, a statistical review was conducted to guide the full investigation, and this initial review—by the Office of the Legislative Auditor General—strongly suggests that Cox did not meet the necessary threshold.
* In stark contrast, Phil Lyman clearly qualified for the general election ballot by winning the Republican State Convention with 68% of the delegate vote. It’s deeply ironic that those who disqualify candidates over technicalities and reject thousands of ballots based on questionable postmark dates are now bending over backward to excuse Cox, who appears to have failed to meet a fundamental legal requirement. The media and some elected officials rushing to make excuses for Cox couldn’t be more blatant in their bias.
* To those defending Cox, we say: Stop it. Stop distorting the audit findings, stop gaslighting the public, and stop pushing false narratives.
* Did the Cox Campaign Recruit and Pay Richard Lyman?
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[00:02:18] All right, we've got a couple of people with us for an incredible broadcast today.
[00:02:22] First one is Lou Moore.
[00:02:24] And Lou is the co-founder of securevoteutah.org.
[00:02:30] Securevoteutah.org.
[00:02:32] You know what?
[00:02:32] We want a system that is transparent and secure.
[00:02:36] Decades ago, ladies and gentlemen, friends and neighbors would get together and then volunteer to serve as election judges.
[00:02:43] Right?
[00:02:44] Yeah.
[00:02:44] I remember when I was a kid, they used to have the elections in my house.
[00:02:47] Yeah.
[00:02:48] My family had a big living room and people would come in and then set up several voting booths and people would vote literally at my parents' house because it was driven by tiny, tiny precincts where everybody knew everybody.
[00:02:59] It was incredible.
[00:03:01] Right?
[00:03:03] They counted the balance.
[00:03:04] They reported the numbers locally.
[00:03:07] They had hard numbers before they turned them in.
[00:03:09] Now all that's bypassed.
[00:03:11] All that's skipped.
[00:03:13] That is the problem.
[00:03:15] We want to return to this proven system because we believe it will create enhanced security.
[00:03:21] Lou, welcome back to Liberty Roundtable Live, sir.
[00:03:24] Thank you, Sam.
[00:03:25] Glad to be here.
[00:03:26] All right.
[00:03:27] Just to add to Lou's credentials, not only was he the campaign manager for Ron Paul back in 2008, he wrote an incredible book about Ron Paul being the forerunner.
[00:03:35] Check that out at his website as well, loumoore.com.
[00:03:40] And then the cool part is he's the host of a radio show.
[00:03:44] It's a TV radio show.
[00:03:46] But it's going to be put on Liberty News Radio starting this week on Saturday and Sunday at noon Mountain Time.
[00:03:54] Lou Moore, host of Hour of Decision on libertynewsradio.com.
[00:03:59] So that's a new offering you're bringing to the table as well, Lou.
[00:04:02] We're excited about it, Sam.
[00:04:04] Excited to be joining you.
[00:04:06] Amen.
[00:04:06] We appreciate it.
[00:04:07] We'll look forward to that as well.
[00:04:09] We also have our guest on, Utah Rep.
[00:04:12] Phil Lyman.
[00:04:14] Lyman is a CPA.
[00:04:16] He's a member of the America Institute of Certified Public Accountants.
[00:04:21] He's worked as a personal financial specialist and a whole lot more.
[00:04:26] Lyman for Utah dot com is his website.
[00:04:29] He's a proven leader, committed to growth and prosperity for the great state of Utah.
[00:04:36] And as governor, he will stand up for Utah.
[00:04:38] Well, he won the primary, 68 percent people.
[00:04:42] Well, we used to have a caucus system, and that would have been the end of that.
[00:04:45] He would have been on the general election ballot.
[00:04:48] But now they've circumvented the system.
[00:04:50] Spencer Cox lost big, submitted a bunch of signatures, did an end run round.
[00:04:57] Right?
[00:04:58] Now, Cox is on the ballot.
[00:05:01] Phil has to be a write-in candidate.
[00:05:03] How does that happen, ladies and gentlemen?
[00:05:06] That is the big question, the big problem.
[00:05:09] Phil, welcome back to the broadcast, sir.
[00:05:12] Yeah, thank you, Sam.
[00:05:13] And yeah, I won the convention.
[00:05:15] The primary is a questionable election itself, but the record shows that Spencer Cox won the primary.
[00:05:22] I won the convention.
[00:05:24] He forced me into a primary by gathering signatures.
[00:05:27] Okay, but I submit to you that you didn't win the primary because it's an illegitimate primary in the first place, though.
[00:05:33] If you have 68 percent, you're not supposed to go to a primary.
[00:05:36] How do you win an illegitimate primary?
[00:05:38] Yeah.
[00:05:39] You just said I won the primary with 68 percent.
[00:05:41] I just wanted to clarify.
[00:05:42] Oh, sorry.
[00:05:42] Okay, I'm sorry.
[00:05:43] The convention.
[00:05:44] That's right.
[00:05:45] The caucus convention was 68 percent.
[00:05:47] Therefore, based on the rule of law and the Republican rule, there's no primary, right?
[00:05:54] I'm not required to have a primary.
[00:05:56] Yeah, I go straight to the general.
[00:05:58] Yeah.
[00:05:58] Not anymore, and that's the problem, right?
[00:06:01] Right.
[00:06:01] Yeah, exactly.
[00:06:03] And then there's a lot more to that.
[00:06:07] So, yeah, we challenged the signatures.
[00:06:09] We challenged the results of the election called election deniers and all those things.
[00:06:15] But it turns out that legislative audit shows that Spencer Cox likely did not get his signatures.
[00:06:21] So that's a problem.
[00:06:23] So that's where we're at.
[00:06:26] SecureVoteUtah.org, like myself at LibertyRoundTable.com, have questions, Lou.
[00:06:31] What on earth is happening here?
[00:06:33] Well, this is a long trail of deception, of abuse of power by Spencer Cox.
[00:06:44] I mean, he has been deceptive from the first moment that I'm aware of that he entered the scene in Utah.
[00:06:51] When he was the lieutenant governor, he orchestrated essentially a psyop to give us universal mail-in ballots on the road to voting over the Internet,
[00:07:04] which he claimed was perfectly safe back in 2019, which almost every single cyber expert in the country says is highly dangerous.
[00:07:16] And it just goes on from there with him.
[00:07:19] I mean, I could go on for an hour, but I don't want to dominate the show.
[00:07:23] Yeah, the point is, though, this is unreal what's happening here, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:07:27] And the problem is it's getting worse.
[00:07:30] So press release, Lyman files an appeal to the Supreme Court over this saying, hey, they didn't get it right.
[00:07:37] Let's start there, Phil.
[00:07:41] Yeah, so we filed with the Utah Supreme Court a couple of months ago, and they dismissed it.
[00:07:49] They dismissed the case without hearing it.
[00:07:52] And just said, you know, this is we win, you lose, go away, don't come back.
[00:07:57] And so we so we just filed with the with the U.S. Supreme Court, which basically says to the U.S. Supreme Court into what it says.
[00:08:05] I want to kind of make this point clear.
[00:08:06] The mainstream press in bed with the Democratic Party has been claiming and the Republicans, too, have been claiming forever that, you know what?
[00:08:12] You don't have any evidence of election integrity issues whatsoever.
[00:08:15] It's all made up.
[00:08:16] It's all fake news.
[00:08:17] It's all sour grapes.
[00:08:18] It's all whatever.
[00:08:19] But this is another example of the courts did not judge this on the merits.
[00:08:24] They simply threw it out.
[00:08:26] Most cases they say, well, you don't have standing.
[00:08:29] In this case, they didn't really say you didn't have standing.
[00:08:30] What do they actually say to dismiss it, though?
[00:08:32] How do they just wiggle out of this and not let you get your name in court?
[00:08:35] I mean, First Amendment 101 says the fifth guarantee is you have a right to a redress of grievances, Phil.
[00:08:42] Well, you know, if you read from the Salt Lake Tribune, their opinion of my case, it would match almost exactly what the judge came out and said.
[00:08:57] He basically says, you know, this argument is without merit.
[00:09:00] They don't have any basis for this.
[00:09:04] They don't have any basis for this.
[00:09:05] And they say that they were damaged.
[00:09:06] They weren't damaged.
[00:09:07] They say that he didn't get his signatures.
[00:09:09] Clearly, that's a false allegation.
[00:09:12] They say that the primary election has problems.
[00:09:17] Clearly, we have perfect elections.
[00:09:19] Lyman, you know, this is frivolous and we're not going to listen to it.
[00:09:24] And that's I mean, it's what you get any time you challenge any results from an election, especially if you're going up against, you know, Governor Cox.
[00:09:33] I call it the syndicate in Utah.
[00:09:35] So the judges, the media, the governor's office, all of them.
[00:09:39] Yes, sir.
[00:09:40] So let me ask you this then.
[00:09:41] So that all happens.
[00:09:42] They say it's frivolous.
[00:09:43] You have no merit whatsoever.
[00:09:44] They dismiss it.
[00:09:46] But now we have an internal audit that takes place.
[00:09:49] Right.
[00:09:51] Yes.
[00:09:52] Yes.
[00:09:53] Yeah.
[00:09:53] Legislative audit.
[00:09:55] OK, tell me who that is, who they are, what that means.
[00:09:58] Well, so so the legislature has an internal audit function.
[00:10:03] They call them the legislative auditors.
[00:10:04] They can audit any function of government without restriction.
[00:10:07] They can go in and do these audits.
[00:10:09] So I'm my big contention has been his signatures.
[00:10:14] Early on, we said we'd like to see the signature packets because you can get around the convention by doing a nominating petition.
[00:10:21] And you go out and hire a bunch of kids.
[00:10:23] They go out knocking on doors.
[00:10:25] They gather petitions.
[00:10:27] Well, we could we could ask for any petition nominating petition in the state.
[00:10:31] And it's OK.
[00:10:32] Yeah.
[00:10:32] Come on in.
[00:10:33] Take a look at it.
[00:10:34] And here's the list electronically.
[00:10:36] If you want to see the actual petitions, come on in and take a look at it.
[00:10:40] All right.
[00:10:40] Hold on.
[00:10:41] Go ahead.
[00:10:41] Skip the break.
[00:10:42] Continue, Phil.
[00:10:46] Sorry.
[00:10:47] I just told him to skip my break so you can continue.
[00:10:49] Oh, OK.
[00:10:50] All right.
[00:10:50] Yeah.
[00:10:51] Sorry about that.
[00:10:57] So it's OK.
[00:10:57] So they said, come on in and look at this thing.
[00:10:59] You can go ahead and see the details.
[00:11:02] Right.
[00:11:02] This is transparent, supposedly.
[00:11:04] OK.
[00:11:06] Yeah.
[00:11:07] Yeah.
[00:11:07] Sorry.
[00:11:08] So what I'm saying is people were coming in and asking for like the state school board race.
[00:11:12] Yes.
[00:11:12] Here's the petition.
[00:11:13] You can take a look.
[00:11:14] It wasn't until we asked to see the governor's nominating petition that like stop the press
[00:11:18] says no one can look at these petitions ever, ever again.
[00:11:21] And we said, well, there's no reason for us not to be able to look at these petitions.
[00:11:24] We don't believe he got his signatures.
[00:11:27] That created a major backlash of accusations.
[00:11:30] And so I just started making the allegation.
[00:11:33] I said, Spencer Cox does not have his signatures.
[00:11:35] Please prove me wrong.
[00:11:36] I'd love to be proven wrong.
[00:11:37] Also, I don't believe he won the primary election.
[00:11:40] I can't look at the cash flow record.
[00:11:41] I can't look at any election data all under the control of Lieutenant Governor, the very
[00:11:46] person that we're running against for this race because it's a single ticket with the
[00:11:49] governor.
[00:11:52] And so I'm talking to the Speaker of the House.
[00:11:56] And I said, you know, am I the only one that cares about these signatures?
[00:11:59] This isn't just about my race.
[00:12:00] I'm not just trying to win.
[00:12:01] I'm doing this to shine a light.
[00:12:04] And fortunately, he heard that and said, yeah, I'm interested.
[00:12:09] So we asked for a legislative audit.
[00:12:10] Legislative audit came back.
[00:12:12] And it really was calling my bluff.
[00:12:14] In fact, Spencer Cox, John Curtis, and Derek Brown, John Curtis is running for Senate, Derek
[00:12:21] Brown for Attorney General.
[00:12:22] So they asked to have their signatures, you know, audited.
[00:12:27] You know, Phil's wrong.
[00:12:29] We're right.
[00:12:30] Let's do an audit.
[00:12:31] They came back, said Brown and Curtis were fine.
[00:12:36] Spencer Cox did not get his signatures.
[00:12:39] So he should be off the ballot.
[00:12:41] And that should be an open and closed case.
[00:12:43] Well, we should have done this before we had the primary and got the answers because if
[00:12:48] Cox doesn't have enough signatures, that's reason number two.
[00:12:52] Not even to have a primary.
[00:12:53] So number one is, hey, Phil won 68% of the caucus, right?
[00:12:58] Which means no primary.
[00:13:00] But then if you didn't get signatures, which is the second way around that.
[00:13:03] Now, there's two reasons not to even have a primary, right?
[00:13:07] And here's where the here's where the GOP is shot themselves in the foot or shot themselves
[00:13:12] in the chest because they didn't support.
[00:13:15] They didn't support me.
[00:13:16] They didn't support verifying the signatures.
[00:13:17] They wouldn't verify the signatures for their own convention nominee.
[00:13:21] We were asking for this prior to the primary.
[00:13:23] In fact, we filed a lawsuit prior to the primary on this.
[00:13:27] It's been in court since the middle of June.
[00:13:31] And, you know, all we get is the same the same runaround.
[00:13:34] So finally, somebody says, all right, we'll just do an audit and prove Phil wrong.
[00:13:39] Well, what they did is did an audit and proved me right.
[00:13:41] Right.
[00:13:42] And now we've got a dilemma because Spencer Cox is on the ballot.
[00:13:45] People are mailing in their ballots every day.
[00:13:48] Tons of ballots have gone in with his name marked.
[00:13:50] I believe he's going to be disqualified, which means all those votes are canceled.
[00:13:54] And we end up with I mean, I'm on there as a write in, which is the only hope I believe
[00:14:00] that the GOP has now to avoid electing the Democrat.
[00:14:05] Lou, what the heck?
[00:14:08] Well, you know, this is what you get with the consolidation of power that's gone on in
[00:14:14] this state.
[00:14:15] And I've heard Phil talk about this on issues like water.
[00:14:18] But you have the governor essentially running the elections office in this state, which is
[00:14:23] there's only maybe one other state where the governor has this much power.
[00:14:26] Technically, it's the lieutenant governor, but it's really the governor running running
[00:14:30] the elections in this state.
[00:14:33] And there has been nothing but a lack of transparency, not just in Phil's race.
[00:14:38] But look what's happened to Colby Jenkins in that race for Congress.
[00:14:42] Ballots ending up in Las Vegas that don't get postmarked on time.
[00:14:47] But this whole situation with the petition signatures, it's on record.
[00:14:53] They were allowing people to look at these signatures for a lot of other races right up
[00:14:57] into this year.
[00:14:58] But suddenly with Phil, oh, no, you can't see those petition signatures.
[00:15:02] And then there's this whole thing that they did.
[00:15:05] And there is a fellow that is still insisting that he knows for a fact that somebody was
[00:15:11] paid some money to file whose last name was also Lyman after Phil and Natalie, his running
[00:15:20] mate, had done their marketing.
[00:15:21] And they had right in Lyman.
[00:15:24] They had all these signs and everything else.
[00:15:25] Suddenly there's another Lyman qualified as a running candidate.
[00:15:30] I mean, this is crooked as a dog's hind legs, man.
[00:15:33] This is just ridiculous in the state of Utah that we're putting up with this kind of stuff.
[00:15:41] Phil, who is this other Lyman clown?
[00:15:43] Who is this guy?
[00:15:45] I mean, he's never run for office.
[00:15:47] He's an unknown.
[00:15:49] He hasn't advertised.
[00:15:50] We pointed out that he doesn't even have a website.
[00:15:52] And so the next thing we know, a website pops up.
[00:15:55] But yeah, and I really appreciate Lou's assessment, his observation.
[00:15:59] I'm always grateful when somebody objectively is looking at this stuff and saying,
[00:16:04] basically Phil's right.
[00:16:05] That always feels good.
[00:16:07] But especially after you've gone through so much abuse from the lieutenant governor and
[00:16:11] all of the op-eds and everything else.
[00:16:13] So yeah, Richard Lyman and his running mate is his mother, Carol Lyman.
[00:16:19] We've actually sued them.
[00:16:20] We'll be in court with them on Thursday.
[00:16:22] Wait a minute, hold on.
[00:16:22] Stop.
[00:16:22] Oh, this guy by the name of Richard Lyman got out of nowhere somehow.
[00:16:27] His mom is his running mate?
[00:16:29] Yeah.
[00:16:31] Wow.
[00:16:31] If that's not running a campaign out of your basement, I don't know what is, Phil.
[00:16:35] Well, it's some kind of family values, but not the right thing.
[00:16:42] It's election interference.
[00:16:44] It is election interference.
[00:16:45] And strangely, you got Richard Lyman too.
[00:16:47] Now we confuse the writing candidate.
[00:16:50] Man, I want to vote for that Lyman guy.
[00:16:51] What was his name?
[00:16:52] I'm just going to put Lyman on there.
[00:16:54] Or whatever they do.
[00:16:55] And now all those signatures are in question or all those ballots are in question, right?
[00:17:01] If you're right, Lyman, they're not in question.
[00:17:04] It's thrown out.
[00:17:05] That's not a – it's not decisive.
[00:17:07] It's not a vote.
[00:17:08] So yeah, so all the Lyman stuff gets thrown out.
[00:17:11] I mean, and this is, again, you know, you've got this campaign manager, this campaign organization
[00:17:16] for Spencer Cox, you know, sitting around the coffee table or whatever saying, hey, wouldn't
[00:17:22] it be funny if we did this?
[00:17:23] It's like, okay, yeah, that is really funny.
[00:17:25] It's very effective.
[00:17:26] It's illegal.
[00:17:28] You know, Richard, between a coworker and we get these texts saying that Richard had said
[00:17:33] that he had been paid $1,000 in the steak dinner to file.
[00:17:37] We don't know if that's true or not.
[00:17:39] But that's what was said.
[00:17:40] That's what we've got.
[00:17:41] We get this information.
[00:17:43] Next thing we know, sure enough, Richard files.
[00:17:45] And it is.
[00:17:47] It's election interference.
[00:17:48] It's bribery.
[00:17:51] All we've got to do is file the money, right?
[00:17:53] I mean, it's a very simple fine.
[00:17:55] Yeah, which is why you filed a lawsuit against Richard.
[00:17:58] I don't want to sue Richard Lyman and his mom.
[00:18:01] I really don't.
[00:18:02] But you have no recourse through the lieutenant governor's office.
[00:18:05] They're the very ones that are involved in this nonsense.
[00:18:09] And you have no recourse to the Utah Supreme Court because they just simply said it's frivolous,
[00:18:14] threw it out without even giving it a hearing, without even giving it an evidential hearing,
[00:18:18] without even being able to discover or put any evidence on the table.
[00:18:21] None of that happened, right?
[00:18:23] Yeah, we're up to seven lawsuits, some that are already settled against us and a few others
[00:18:30] and at least five others that are actively going now.
[00:18:33] And one of them is this lawsuit against Richard Lyman, of course, the Supreme Court case.
[00:18:38] We've got two on signatures, one on process.
[00:18:41] And that's very expensive.
[00:18:43] And all of it is essentially against the lieutenant governor's office who runs this election.
[00:18:50] And I'll say another thing.
[00:18:51] They said at the outset that there would be no conflict of interest because they had hired
[00:18:56] an independent contractor to oversee the governor's election, Greg Bell.
[00:19:00] And we've not heard one word from Greg Bell before, during, since, completely silent.
[00:19:07] All we hear from is Deidre Anderson and all we get is condemnation,
[00:19:11] constant stream of vitriolic condemnation for everything that we do.
[00:19:16] And the media goes right along with that.
[00:19:18] It's absurd.
[00:19:19] And Sam, I just want to insert here, Greg Bell, you know, Phil talks about the syndicate.
[00:19:25] I mean, this guy's a charter member of it.
[00:19:27] But he's the one that brought Eric another horrible aspect to our elections, that we're
[00:19:34] still in this Eric system that has been rejected now by almost every Republican state in America.
[00:19:40] This is the guy that brought it to Utah.
[00:19:43] And so now they're saying, oh, he's overseeing everything.
[00:19:45] It's all good.
[00:19:46] That actually made me more nervous than the idea of Deidre Henderson monitoring the election,
[00:19:52] which, of course, she still is.
[00:19:53] All right.
[00:19:55] So where do we go with this then?
[00:19:57] The Utah Supreme Court said no frivolous bagot.
[00:20:00] The internal audit said, yeah, then we don't believe there's enough signatures here.
[00:20:04] Evidence shows there's not.
[00:20:05] But what they're doing now is spinning the results in the media saying, yeah, there wasn't enough signatures,
[00:20:11] but he had a bunch in his pocket that they didn't really use.
[00:20:15] And had they used those, he would have been over the top.
[00:20:17] No problem.
[00:20:17] And so we're going to just call it no harm, no foul here.
[00:20:21] That's kind of how they're playing it, saying, you know, there's other signatures out there that we could have counted.
[00:20:27] And so, hey, we speculate or we kind of insert that likely there was enough signatures with those.
[00:20:33] And so we're going to move ahead.
[00:20:34] And it's really sorry, Phil.
[00:20:36] Maybe you could, you know, run again in the future.
[00:20:40] Right.
[00:20:40] That's how they're pitching this.
[00:20:42] Come back in four years.
[00:20:43] Yeah.
[00:20:44] And this, I mean, it just goes on and on.
[00:20:47] The GOP has some, the leadership and the state central committee has some really fantastic people,
[00:20:54] some honest, good people that are saying, you know, Phil Wyman, he was our candidate.
[00:20:59] We nominated him at convention.
[00:21:00] That's how we work.
[00:21:01] This is the convention system.
[00:21:03] This is the delegate system.
[00:21:05] And they supported me during the, you know, up into the primary and then since then.
[00:21:12] And anyone that supports Phil Wyman after the primary is being threatened with being removed from the SEC.
[00:21:20] In fact, they did remove Casey Gell, a person who was supporting me.
[00:21:24] And they said, you can't support Phil Wyman.
[00:21:26] You have to support Spencer Cox.
[00:21:28] And they're saying, well, he's not legitimate.
[00:21:30] He's not the candidate.
[00:21:32] Now, now they're coming around and saying, okay, now he's on the ballot.
[00:21:36] He's still not legitimate.
[00:21:37] And, and whether I push it or not is irrelevant.
[00:21:43] It's, it's the, it's now the state legislative audit committee.
[00:21:47] And now they've got to say, do we, do we, do we double down here?
[00:21:51] Do we, do we say we're going to support Spencer Cox, even if he is disqualified?
[00:21:54] Or do we, do we shift and support Phil Lyman as a writing candidate?
[00:21:59] Do we try to get Phil on a, on a revised ballot, run the election again?
[00:22:03] And, and I believe they've backed themselves into a corner where I don't think they're going to be able to put me on the ballot at this point.
[00:22:10] So then it's a writing campaign.
[00:22:11] Because they played games with frivolous.
[00:22:13] They've wasted too much time.
[00:22:15] And now they've ran us into a wall, Lou.
[00:22:18] Yeah, totally.
[00:22:19] And, you know, and this is just with Cox, this is such a long pattern of deception.
[00:22:24] I mean, look at how he handled the situation with President Trump's candidacy.
[00:22:29] Oh, I'm totally against Trump.
[00:22:31] And then suddenly, oh no, I think I'm for Trump.
[00:22:33] And then he denied it again.
[00:22:34] But after Phil's campaign is obviously gathering steam, even though he's not on the ballot.
[00:22:41] We see Cox walking across, where was it, back in, at Arlington National Cemetery.
[00:22:47] I think you get caught up into that kerfuffle with Trump.
[00:22:51] Making sure he had the front page photo in the Deseret News walking there with Trump.
[00:22:56] I mean, he's, he's, he's totally against Trump.
[00:22:59] He was so deceptive about DEI.
[00:23:02] He was the biggest promoter of DEI in this state.
[00:23:06] And then for this election, because he has a strong challenger in Mr. Lyman, he said, oh, I'm, I'm against DEI.
[00:23:15] It's evil.
[00:23:15] But then we find out he's put probably $500 million into funding it in local schools using COVID funds.
[00:23:26] This guy, this guy's got to go.
[00:23:29] He's, he's deceptive in everything he does.
[00:23:32] And I think he would rather be at the World Economic Forum, honestly, getting accolades than even being our governor.
[00:23:40] All right.
[00:23:41] When we come back, I want Phil Lyman to break down kind of the next steps, though.
[00:23:44] So this internal audit is not complete, from what I understand.
[00:23:49] What they're saying is statistically, we're guessing that even though Cox fell short, it's okay.
[00:23:55] Because, hey, there's other ballots out here we never used.
[00:23:59] Wait a minute.
[00:23:59] Where do they come from?
[00:24:00] What's up with all that?
[00:24:01] What do you mean ballots out here, signatures over here that we never needed and didn't use?
[00:24:06] And now we can fill that in.
[00:24:08] Since when does that ever work?
[00:24:12] All I'm telling you is what do you mean statistically Cox made it?
[00:24:15] Either he did or he didn't.
[00:24:17] There's no statistically about it.
[00:24:18] You can make anything you want out of statistics, people.
[00:24:22] Anyway, when we come back, we're going to talk more to Phil Lyman, running for governor for the great state of Utah.
[00:24:27] And Lou Moore, co-founder of SecureVoteUtah.org.
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[00:30:31] Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about the Phil Lyman race for governor of the great state of Utah.
[00:30:35] Cox fell short on signatures, says the internal audit.
[00:30:40] Of course, that doesn't matter.
[00:30:42] Headline from the Herald, signature audit finds some errors,
[00:30:47] but Cox still ultimately qualified for the primary.
[00:30:52] Now, they write that, in my view, completely deceptively,
[00:30:56] because I guess this internal audit basically said,
[00:31:01] hey, you know what, it's a statistical thing.
[00:31:03] We don't really count all the real signatures and verify every signature.
[00:31:06] No, we just do this kind of statistical analysis,
[00:31:09] and hey, you know, based on margin of errors and everything,
[00:31:12] we throw out these amount of ballots.
[00:31:13] But don't worry.
[00:31:15] There's a bunch of extra signatures that we didn't count
[00:31:17] because we stopped counting when they reached the threshold.
[00:31:20] And if you include those, and well,
[00:31:22] if you give them extra time to gather more signatures,
[00:31:25] then they would have made it anyway.
[00:31:26] And what the heck are they saying, Phil?
[00:31:31] Yeah, you know, the truth is even worse than the opposite of the narrative they're saying
[00:31:37] because they've got thousands of signatures at the attorney general's office, apparently.
[00:31:42] And this came out in the audit.
[00:31:43] I don't know how many, but thousands of signatures
[00:31:45] that were turned directly over to the attorney general
[00:31:48] because they were clearly fraudulent, packets after packets.
[00:31:53] You could tell that the same person, according to reports,
[00:31:56] filled out, you know, page after page after page of signatures.
[00:31:59] Well, we didn't hear anything about that.
[00:32:01] All we said is, oh, well, Spencer got 32,000 signatures,
[00:32:05] 4,000 were rejected, leaves them with about 28,000,
[00:32:08] and he had 492 extras.
[00:32:12] And he was, and, but then when they go through,
[00:32:15] and the state auditor did an audit as well,
[00:32:17] it came up with the exact same thing.
[00:32:19] He said, oh, well, he loses about 300 signatures
[00:32:22] that were falsely verified.
[00:32:26] So he loses 300,
[00:32:28] but there's another 391 that we think he would have gotten
[00:32:33] had we verified these others.
[00:32:35] It's like, all right, well, then verify those others,
[00:32:36] and let's see where he comes out.
[00:32:38] And that's fair play.
[00:32:40] The legislative audit said he's 572 votes short,
[00:32:47] and he's got the 391 to add to it.
[00:32:51] He still comes up under best case scenario.
[00:32:54] He's 80, 80 signature short.
[00:32:57] And this isn't even going in and verifying a bunch of the other information
[00:33:03] that like a forensic audit would do.
[00:33:06] And I guess the big point here is I believe that he knew that he was in big trouble
[00:33:13] when they started turning over all those packets to the attorney general's office.
[00:33:16] That's an investigation.
[00:33:17] It smells like an investigation.
[00:33:20] But to save face, they're saying, oh, wait.
[00:33:22] Well, it's either an investigation or it's an effort to gather all the information,
[00:33:26] classify it all, and never let it see the light of day, Lou.
[00:33:30] Yeah, could be.
[00:33:32] It is hard to say.
[00:33:33] But there's just been one set of shenanigans after another
[00:33:37] coming out of our state election people,
[00:33:41] the lieutenant governor's office.
[00:33:43] And I'm just going to say it again.
[00:33:45] He runs with the governor on a ticket.
[00:33:47] The governor runs our election office.
[00:33:50] And he also wants to run the attorney general's office, by the way.
[00:33:54] That's something he aspires to.
[00:33:56] I mean, they're consolidating power in this state.
[00:33:59] And right now they're doing it around a very dubious individual.
[00:34:05] All right.
[00:34:06] So we got to wonder, did the Cox campaign pay and recruit Richard Lyman?
[00:34:12] That's a real question that should be investigated as well.
[00:34:14] There's so many threads to pull on, Phil.
[00:34:16] I'm having a hard time here.
[00:34:17] But let's just say this.
[00:34:19] Right now we have a very sketchy discussion about how you verify election results,
[00:34:25] how you verify ballots.
[00:34:27] The fraudulent ones are under investigation.
[00:34:30] Hopefully this Richard Lyman guy, hopefully following the money investigation.
[00:34:35] These ballots that don't qualify.
[00:34:37] And well, statistically it's fine even though he didn't qualify.
[00:34:40] The Supreme Court of the state of Utah says, nah, I'm frivolous.
[00:34:44] Forget it.
[00:34:44] But now the auditors say, well, not so fast, but it's okay.
[00:34:48] They've also separated the audit from who determines whether an election is certified or not.
[00:34:54] Right?
[00:34:54] There's a separation there somehow?
[00:34:59] Well, the separation being the legislative audit committee.
[00:35:02] Is that what you're referring to?
[00:35:03] Yeah.
[00:35:04] They don't decide if the election is certified or not is the point, right?
[00:35:08] No.
[00:35:08] And this is really an important point.
[00:35:09] Legislative auditors are internal auditors.
[00:35:11] Their purpose is to help improve processes going forward.
[00:35:15] The fact that they came out with a report saying in the middle of an election that statistically
[00:35:22] the governor failed to get his signatures is huge.
[00:35:25] And, you know, if it was an independent audit, you'd expect them to be hard hitting.
[00:35:30] But this is very hard hitting for internal auditors.
[00:35:33] And it's also huge that the audit committee, which is comprised mainly of the Speaker of the
[00:35:38] House and the President of the Senate, allowed for the report to come out the same day
[00:35:44] that the mail-in ballots dropped.
[00:35:46] So there's a lot to be read into that.
[00:35:49] They are helping, I guess, the President of the Senate, the Speaker of the House, they
[00:35:53] are helping to bring to light this hidden matter of darkness that, you know, that Lou talks
[00:36:01] about.
[00:36:02] And I'm so grateful that they would do it because they should do it.
[00:36:07] It's the right thing to do.
[00:36:07] But they didn't have to, and they did.
[00:36:09] And we commend them for that, by the way, folks.
[00:36:11] We're not just trying to attack everyone here.
[00:36:13] However, though, now that we know this fact, though, everybody's got to basically stand
[00:36:17] up and stand for what's right on this thing.
[00:36:20] And you know what?
[00:36:21] I know that Phil Lyman's taking the lead on this, and he deserves credit for that.
[00:36:24] But Phil doesn't want the limelight.
[00:36:26] This is about honesty is the issue.
[00:36:28] Election integrity is the key.
[00:36:32] From Lou Moore's perspective, this is about securevoteutah.org.
[00:36:37] Lou?
[00:36:38] Yeah.
[00:36:39] Yeah.
[00:36:39] And I will add, Sam, that's actually the website we used during a ballot initiative.
[00:36:45] It does have material on it.
[00:36:47] But securevote.news.
[00:36:50] Securevote.news is where we have a ton of current information about every facet of our
[00:36:57] election system, not just for Utah, but around the country.
[00:37:00] We have all kinds of resources.
[00:37:01] But anyway, free plug there, securevote.news.
[00:37:04] But yes, I mean, this is just one of a long litany of serious problems we have in Utah
[00:37:13] with our electoral system.
[00:37:15] But I have to say, they have gone so far over the line with some of this stuff this year
[00:37:19] between Phil's race and Kobe Jenkins' race and all the shenanigans down in southwest Utah
[00:37:27] and whatnot.
[00:37:28] I mean, it's just, it's beyond comprehension that a state where there is basically a moral
[00:37:34] people, people who want to do the right thing, people who believe in God, love their families,
[00:37:39] trust their elected officials, that this could just become such a cluster.
[00:37:47] Sure.
[00:37:48] It's just unbelievable to me.
[00:37:52] All right, Phil, let me understand then.
[00:37:54] So you said, hey, you know what?
[00:37:55] The Supreme Court called it frivolous, but the internal audit shows different.
[00:37:59] There's too many issues here that need to be investigated.
[00:38:01] We got to take this all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, right?
[00:38:05] Yep.
[00:38:06] Yeah, yeah.
[00:38:07] So we appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court before this audit, this legislative audit came out.
[00:38:13] But on the grounds that there had been no verification and no transparency with the election or the
[00:38:23] signatures.
[00:38:23] So if your pathway to circumvent the caucus is to get signatures and win a primary, and
[00:38:29] you say no one can look at our signatures and no one can look at the primary election
[00:38:32] results, that's a red flag right on the front of it.
[00:38:37] And honestly, you know, with all of this, had the governor said, yeah, I got the signature,
[00:38:43] go take a look.
[00:38:44] You know, if you want to spend three weeks going through 28,000 signatures, knock yourself
[00:38:47] out.
[00:38:48] I mean, that's what a reasonable person would do.
[00:38:52] But that was not the response.
[00:38:54] The response was attacks.
[00:38:56] I mean, vicious attacks from the lieutenant governor, who's not even supposed to be involved
[00:39:01] in this race.
[00:39:05] What do you say to that, Lou?
[00:39:08] Because this intimidation has got to stop this media manipulating kind of the truth and
[00:39:13] that they're literally playing the shill card for this at some point if there is election
[00:39:18] fraud.
[00:39:18] And the problem is the fraud is a very high bar to achieve.
[00:39:22] So, you know, election integrity issues are the question.
[00:39:25] But there's a little bit of aiding and abetting, in my opinion, here going on.
[00:39:29] There is a ton of aiding and abetting going on.
[00:39:34] And when the press is bought off, their legitimate functions are disrupted.
[00:39:42] This is where our Republican democracy is in big trouble because the public relies on getting
[00:39:51] good information in order to make decisions like supporting a bill at the legislature or
[00:39:57] supporting somebody for governor.
[00:39:59] The most important job in the state.
[00:40:01] And, you know, this has been totally short-circuited, but this is a story all across the country.
[00:40:07] But ultimately, the solution here, Sam, as you're well aware, is alternative media.
[00:40:13] And we need to do everything we can to support our alternative media and have more of it.
[00:40:19] So we get some truth tellers out there to give the public the opportunity to really assess
[00:40:24] the facts in this case and in every other case.
[00:40:28] And in the many, many cases that I can go on for, as I said, a long time concerning this
[00:40:34] person who is currently our governor.
[00:40:36] Now, so much for justice, because even if you get to the Supreme Court, Phil, it's going
[00:40:40] to be a day late and a dollar short.
[00:40:41] They're going to have the election.
[00:40:43] Many people in Utah, many people across the country, as far as I understand, 17 plus million
[00:40:47] voters have already casted their ballots across the country.
[00:40:51] Yeah.
[00:40:51] Is Spencer Cox going to serve his term before your court case is done?
[00:40:55] What the heck?
[00:40:57] Yeah, possibly.
[00:40:58] And if I'm the Democrat, I'm saying, oh, this is going to be wonderful.
[00:41:02] We'll have Spencer Cox disqualified.
[00:41:04] Let's not push the issue until more of the votes have been cast.
[00:41:10] That way, because if they shifted now, if the GOP came out and said, you know, like the
[00:41:14] state central committee said, we are withdrawing our support for Spencer Cox.
[00:41:18] He's not a legitimate candidate.
[00:41:19] Our only hope now is the writing candidate of Phil Lyman and Edward Clawson.
[00:41:24] Now, instead of, you know, going after Republicans who support Phil Lyman, they would say we have
[00:41:28] to that that's all we have.
[00:41:30] So if you're if you're the Democrat, you're saying, well, let's not push this disqualification
[00:41:35] narrative until closer to November 5th, because all of those votes that are cast for Spencer
[00:41:40] Cox that have been cast for Spencer Cox, I truly believe are going to be thrown out as
[00:41:45] non votes.
[00:41:46] And the longer they wait, the bigger advantage it is for for Brian King, the Democrat to win
[00:41:51] it.
[00:41:51] So my my my point to the SEC is do something you should have done something before you
[00:41:56] didn't.
[00:41:58] You know, the leadership should have done something before the auditors, the courts, that's the
[00:42:02] state records committee for crying out loud.
[00:42:04] All of them like you have all obstructed.
[00:42:07] And now you're you're you're you know, it's going to backfire on you.
[00:42:12] Your plan is backfiring on you because you were supporting a candidate who who was not qualified.
[00:42:18] And here's the other thing on this.
[00:42:20] They win by beating people up.
[00:42:22] It's like we're going to beat you and beat you and beat you.
[00:42:24] You say, you know, I quit.
[00:42:28] You know, you can have it.
[00:42:30] Well, we didn't do that.
[00:42:32] Natalie Clawson and I, we said we're not going to do that.
[00:42:35] When when they when they stole the the nomination to get on the primary, we contested it.
[00:42:41] They beat us up.
[00:42:42] We didn't go away.
[00:42:43] They didn't.
[00:42:43] They say they want a primary.
[00:42:45] We didn't go away.
[00:42:46] Now they're going to say we won the November election.
[00:42:48] Well, we're still want the verification of this election.
[00:42:52] That is a more important that's more important than winning the governor's seat is is the
[00:42:55] verification of this election or at least proving that what they say is verified is
[00:43:00] actually a sham.
[00:43:01] And and that's what I mean.
[00:43:02] Natalie was part of Secure Vote Utah.
[00:43:05] That's how we got acquainted.
[00:43:07] All of this is much bigger than than winning the governor's seat.
[00:43:11] It's it's it's about exposing this lack of transparency.
[00:43:15] This really, really horrible system that Utah has.
[00:43:18] And and yeah, be nice to be the governor, because I think we could fix things a lot
[00:43:21] faster than if we elect the Democrat.
[00:43:25] But I don't think Spencer Cox is going to be the next governor.
[00:43:29] Well, I pray you're right about that.
[00:43:32] But I will say this.
[00:43:33] Their shenanigans and their abuse at the deep state level never ceases to amaze me.
[00:43:38] I've been studying it, working on it for 30 plus years.
[00:43:40] And I'm shocked at how much abuse and control and dishonesty this proves, Lou, more that this is not just a Democrat issue.
[00:43:49] This is a deep state versus the people issue.
[00:43:52] Oh, 100 percent, Sam.
[00:43:55] 100 percent.
[00:43:56] And and, you know, I go back to Eric.
[00:43:59] And again, the fellow that's supposed to be monitoring this election brought us Eric, which is another system that is not transparent, which is another system that's sold to us.
[00:44:08] It's a way to make sure our voter rolls are clean and that the election is clean, when actually it's just a big scam to inflate the voter rolls and set up fraud all over the country, which is why what I think now 11 states have exited, Eric.
[00:44:27] But Utah is proudly still sitting at the table there.
[00:44:32] Anyway, it's unbelievable.
[00:44:33] Tragic, but true, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about this serious issue of election integrity.
[00:44:42] And the problem is this to those defending Spencer Cox, we say stop it.
[00:44:50] Stop distorting the audit findings.
[00:44:54] Stop gaslighting the American people and stop pushing false narratives.
[00:44:58] I mean, that's really what they're doing in the audit.
[00:45:00] Anybody that's promoting that when they know that it's the contrary ought to be sued over that, Phil.
[00:45:05] And I know the question is, you know, we don't have enough money for all this lawfare, but they need to be sued, too, though.
[00:45:10] They're making these claims.
[00:45:11] The voting machine folks tried to sue over this same issue saying, hey, you can't make those claims.
[00:45:15] How are these guys even making the claims they're making?
[00:45:19] I don't understand it.
[00:45:20] Yeah, I mean, and our lawsuit names are the governors, the lieutenant governor, the GOP, now the linemen.
[00:45:28] I mean, we're suing a lot of people.
[00:45:29] It's very expensive to do that.
[00:45:31] It's not fun to do it.
[00:45:33] You know, we spend a lot of time in court that should be spent on campaigning.
[00:45:36] And that's been the again, that's been the M.O.
[00:45:39] It's like, can you can you put up with the abuse that you get if you go up against the syndicate?
[00:45:44] And if we allow them to win because because they're willing to, you know, just really bully people and really abuse people, then all we do is reinforce that whole system.
[00:45:55] And it's really reinforced now.
[00:45:56] I mean, if you're if you're in the legislature, you you recognize the bills that are coming down from the top through the Unified Economic Opportunity Commission, basically from the syndicate.
[00:46:06] You do not go against those things if you if you want to survive in Utah politics.
[00:46:10] So it's I think it is a very rare thing to find somebody who who cares more about, you know, getting the truth out than they do about, you know, winning their next election.
[00:46:21] And and certainly Natalie qualifies.
[00:46:24] She's been fighting this fight.
[00:46:25] And hopefully hopefully I have proved that that this is more important to me.
[00:46:30] And I mean, a seat in the legislature that's just being a rubber stamp organization for the syndicate is not all that satisfying either.
[00:46:37] So, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know where to go with this.
[00:46:42] And I need you guys to to to bring me back from the the edge of the cliff, virtually speaking.
[00:46:47] You know, don't get me wrong, folks.
[00:46:48] I'm not suicidal.
[00:46:49] If they ever tell you I committed suicide, you know, there's a scandal of cooking.
[00:46:53] OK, I don't mean that at all.
[00:46:54] What I mean is this.
[00:46:56] I've talked to libertarians a lot and I say, what's the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist?
[00:47:01] And a couple of my libertarian buddies go, ah, Sam, a couple of election cycles.
[00:47:08] Right.
[00:47:08] That's the only difference between a libertarian and an anarchist is a couple of election cycles.
[00:47:12] When you see the sham, you decide that, man, well, I'm almost there, you guys.
[00:47:17] I'm to the point where it's like if they're going to commit fraud openly against the audit committees, reality check against the Phil Lyman claims, we're not going to investigate.
[00:47:28] The courts are going to stay frivolous and go nowhere.
[00:47:30] The courts are going to take so long to adjudicate that, by golly, Cox will serve his term before it ever sees the light of day.
[00:47:36] And then it'll be like, well, no harm, no foul.
[00:47:39] And sorry, Phil.
[00:47:40] And OK, if we're going to commit fraud out in the open that blatantly and then we're going to run around and say there's no election fraud.
[00:47:45] You guys are delirious.
[00:47:46] You guys are psychotic.
[00:47:47] You guys are fake news.
[00:47:49] You guys are anti-government, whatever.
[00:47:51] But they're going to commit fraud to this level in your face in the state of Utah with the evidence transparent now out in the open.
[00:48:00] OK, the game has changed forever.
[00:48:03] And my question to both of you gentlemen, we'll take Phil first, then Lou.
[00:48:07] I mean, have we got to the point where it's only a couple of election cycles till you're aboard with the libertarians turn anarchist that I'm there, too?
[00:48:15] Because, hey, it's such a fraud.
[00:48:16] I don't know.
[00:48:16] It's not even worth my time to go vote anymore.
[00:48:18] They have destroyed the system so holistically that there's no recovery.
[00:48:23] Now, I know I'm being a little facetious in this point, but I really want to get this on the table.
[00:48:28] What are we to do, Ammon Bundy's famous of saying?
[00:48:31] And I think it belongs in this context big time.
[00:48:34] Phil?
[00:48:35] Well, as far as the libertarian question, I consider myself a Ron Paul libertarian.
[00:48:41] I think every Republican should be a libertarian.
[00:48:44] This came up at a town hall meeting I was doing last night.
[00:48:48] And I said, you know, it's always seemed oxymoronic to have a libertarian party because libertarians don't join anything.
[00:48:55] They're their own people.
[00:48:57] And Republicans should be very libertarian.
[00:48:59] Our platform is very libertarian.
[00:49:01] The only reason there's a libertarian party is because the platform of the Republicans has been disobeyed so often.
[00:49:06] People felt like they needed an alternative.
[00:49:08] Other than that, you're correct.
[00:49:10] Yeah.
[00:49:10] And, you know, Ron Paul was – he was pro-life and he was pro-strong military.
[00:49:16] And, you know, so you can be a libertarian, have libertarian ideology and still faith, but I recognize the government, you know, has a role.
[00:49:27] So, yeah, I don't think we're going to go into anarchy.
[00:49:30] But what we're more likely to go into is pure 21st century version of communism.
[00:49:35] And that's what we see rolling out from the World Economic Forum and the United Nations and coming down through the – even through the National Governors Association, the Carnegie Institute, and all these things.
[00:49:48] It's like this is not benign.
[00:49:50] This is not, like, organic that, hey, people just really want to live in high-density housing on top of each other and drive electric cars.
[00:49:57] That's not organic.
[00:49:57] We don't want to eat crickets.
[00:49:59] That's not who we are.
[00:50:00] But that's what somebody else has a plan for us.
[00:50:03] And they measure our carbon footprint, our water footprint, our protein footprint.
[00:50:07] They're going to limit our travel.
[00:50:08] And if people don't think that that's coming, they just need to listen to – they just need to listen to Klaus Schwab and some of the people that are, you know, structuring our future.
[00:50:18] And listen to the people in Utah, the Envision Utah folks that have, you know, the dignity index.
[00:50:25] And they're going to start rating our speech and canceling people who use unfriendly words.
[00:50:31] You know, this is not foreign.
[00:50:33] This is happening probably more in Utah than any state, maybe – definitely more than any red state in Utah.
[00:50:42] And we should be the most conservative state in the country.
[00:50:45] I mean, after all, our scriptures, as the predominant religion in the state, says, befriend that law, which is the Constitution.
[00:50:52] But no.
[00:50:53] So, Lou, do I even vote anymore?
[00:50:57] Well, yes.
[00:50:59] I mean, I hope so.
[00:51:00] I mean, God –
[00:51:01] Yeah, but it doesn't make any difference, though.
[00:51:04] Right?
[00:51:05] I firmly believe that God gave us the Constitution and a constitutional republic.
[00:51:11] And I know a lot of people of many faiths that completely agree with me on this.
[00:51:15] But as the founders wisely said, we've given you a republic if you can keep it.
[00:51:20] People have to stand up, Sam.
[00:51:23] It's not a spectator sport.
[00:51:24] Politics is not some kind of horse race, some kind of sports activity that you turn on instead of turning on to see what happened with the NFL or whatever.
[00:51:34] People have to get involved, and then things will change.
[00:51:38] You know, it's up to us.
[00:51:43] But if Spencer Cox becomes our governor and commits fraud openly and no one in the state will stop him,
[00:51:49] no one will stand up against the deep state enough to call a halt to the con game,
[00:51:54] what do we, the people, do?
[00:51:56] They have destroyed the system so completely.
[00:51:59] Yeah?
[00:52:00] You have to put the heat – you know, I've said it for years.
[00:52:04] It's all well and good to talk about civics and all that.
[00:52:06] But if your legislator doesn't see the light, give them the heat.
[00:52:13] And you can just keep turning that heat up if you get enough people understanding what's been happening here and what's happening to them and what's happening to their state.
[00:52:24] In other words, call your Utah State senators and congressmen and women and say, listen, we need you to stand up against this fraud going on here.
[00:52:32] This is unacceptable, and we expect different.
[00:52:35] Or you know what?
[00:52:36] We will put someone in place who will.
[00:52:38] It's a peaceful, polite mandate from the people saying you serve and represent us.
[00:52:45] We want you to understand this and act accordingly because we need – look, honesty is the issue.
[00:52:51] Now, I don't want anybody to think I'm not going to vote or that I don't believe in voting or that I've checked out of the system.
[00:52:55] That's not true.
[00:52:56] I'm facetiously playing this point a little bit to make a point, which is now is not the time to give up.
[00:53:02] That's exactly what they want you to do, Phil.
[00:53:04] Now is the time to quadruple down, sir.
[00:53:08] Yeah.
[00:53:08] Well, you know, personhood.
[00:53:10] You know, the idea that I have rights that are inherent just by virtue of my existence.
[00:53:15] That's a really powerful concept, and America was founded on that.
[00:53:18] And the government derived their just powers, you know, by preserving those things and preserving that freedom.
[00:53:24] And if you don't understand personhood, if you don't respect it, then you don't respect parenthood, which we've seen with this administration through COVID and the school board members or the school board districts that were suing parents, you know, that wanted to have a voice at their school board meetings.
[00:53:40] Instead of giving them a voice, they arrested them and had to prosecute it.
[00:53:42] Yeah, mommy's a terrorist.
[00:53:44] Yeah.
[00:53:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:53:45] Yeah, domestic terrorists.
[00:53:46] Parents are domestic terrorists.
[00:53:48] And this whole narrative.
[00:53:50] So it's going – and if you get those things wrong, you're going to get statehood wrong.
[00:53:53] You're going to think that you're a king and that people are subjects.
[00:53:56] And fortunately, we've got a bunch of people that said, I'm not going along with that false narrative because it is false.
[00:54:02] Ladies and gentlemen, the supreme law of the land has checks and balances, has direct, clear, designated authority delegated to the general government limited in scope, broader to the states,
[00:54:17] but primarily to we, the people, you must – I say must – get involved.
[00:54:22] Ladies and gentlemen, Phil Lyman, a proven leader.
[00:54:27] Right?
[00:54:29] Lyman for Utah.
[00:54:30] That's spelled out F-O-R.
[00:54:32] LymanforUtah.com.
[00:54:33] You've got to get involved in this critical issue.
[00:54:35] Phil, thanks for your press release.
[00:54:37] Keep us posted and we'll keep up on what's happening.
[00:54:40] Okay.
[00:54:40] Thank you.
[00:54:41] All right.
[00:54:41] There he goes.
[00:54:42] Phil Lyman doing a great job.
[00:54:43] Sam Bushman.
[00:54:44] Luke, continue in seconds.
[00:54:45] And God save the republic.
[00:54:47] May play.
[00:54:47] Next party.
[00:54:47] Mike Stratt.
[00:54:47] Well,実cial Enwin Nakamura, we justậm up a lot of people who come up
[00:54:47] They're just in to the public.
[00:54:48] Once all guestsppers, but anyway, leave downtime for theiriffe visit.