Radio Show Hour 1 – 10/11/2024

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[00:00:23] All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman live on your radio.

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[00:01:09] Friday, I've got the good doctor in the house with me, Dr. Scott Bradley, freedomsrisingsun.com.

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[00:01:19] Dr. Bradley, welcome, sir.

[00:01:22] Well, thank you very much.

[00:01:23] I appreciate being able to be here.

[00:01:26] By the way, earlier today, I received a text message from a good friend,

[00:01:32] and it's an interview with Jonathan Ruby.

[00:01:35] I mention it because I know you're such a chosen fan.

[00:01:38] Yeah, love it.

[00:01:39] But it's a brief interview at the end of his season five of the series.

[00:01:45] Yeah, that hasn't come out yet.

[00:01:46] They just filmed it, though, right?

[00:01:49] Exactly.

[00:01:49] And it's kind of a wrap-up interview kind of thing.

[00:01:54] I'll text it to you at some point.

[00:01:55] I think you'll find it's just brief.

[00:01:57] And it's kind of compelling about the passion that he feels for this role.

[00:02:05] It's a far different role than most people.

[00:02:07] You know, most people that play Jesus, and it really is play Jesus in most of the actions.

[00:02:13] I mean, they're cardboard cutouts with drapes hanging on them, you know.

[00:02:16] I mean, they kind of, you know, swish through their lines as a kind of a, I don't know,

[00:02:27] passionless, emotionless, intellectually dull individual that has some lines to read.

[00:02:34] And he does play his with some, you know, he feels the part, I think, probably more than

[00:02:41] anybody I've ever seen play it.

[00:02:42] There's been a lot that have played it poorly.

[00:02:44] I think he's done a pretty good job playing at what he's done.

[00:02:47] And he realizes that he can't come close.

[00:02:50] You know, he can't.

[00:02:51] He can only do the humanity that he knows.

[00:02:54] But it's, you know, the emotion in this interview, even some of the interviewers broke down and

[00:03:00] cried.

[00:03:00] I mean, it was like, holy cow, somebody's feeling the movement of this thing, you know.

[00:03:08] So I just mentioned it to you because I just finished it to you.

[00:03:11] It's a valiant effort on his part, no question.

[00:03:14] There are those who believe that you should never play the Savior or even have photos or

[00:03:19] pictures or these kind of things because we don't know, you know, what he looked like

[00:03:23] or behaved like or, you know, besides literally what's in Scripture, we don't even know, you

[00:03:28] know, what he said or whatever.

[00:03:29] And so, you know, there's a lot of poetic license in The Chosen.

[00:03:33] But I think that they've done a very good job of making decisions that put the Savior

[00:03:39] in a good light.

[00:03:40] He has a sense of humor.

[00:03:42] He's fun, but he's serious.

[00:03:44] He's dedicated about his father's business.

[00:03:46] But yet he has a human side to him because he was, you know, he did live a human experience.

[00:03:52] And he was, you know, his mother was human.

[00:03:54] And, you know, his father was human, too, but in a different way, an eternal way.

[00:03:58] Right.

[00:03:58] So but it, in my opinion, walks this fine line of making him identifiable to us as humans,

[00:04:05] but yet still maintain what he said and did.

[00:04:08] And besides a few interaction things, which are not factual, for the most part, he sticks

[00:04:14] close to the storyline and most of the banter and most of the behavior and the, you know,

[00:04:20] personalities are really with the other characters.

[00:04:22] But yet he has enough there to make him real, to make him personable, as you would expect

[00:04:28] the Savior to be.

[00:04:30] And so to me, they've done a brilliant job.

[00:04:32] Now, again, those are there are those who say you should never even portray the Savior as

[00:04:36] blasphemy.

[00:04:37] I understand their views.

[00:04:38] I personally disagree.

[00:04:39] And I think he's done a marvelous job.

[00:04:41] I think with the chosen, they've done the very best they can.

[00:04:43] Is it perfect?

[00:04:44] No.

[00:04:45] Will it be true to reality when we find out the truth after this life and live with our

[00:04:50] God?

[00:04:51] I doubt it'll be close in terms of the truth of how grandiose and and how humble and how

[00:04:57] authoritative and all the different things the Savior is.

[00:05:00] Omnipotent, omniscient, everything else.

[00:05:02] Right.

[00:05:03] But at the same time, I think I think personally that our Heavenly Father would be pleased with

[00:05:08] the efforts to try to share the message of Jesus Christ in a way that has, in my opinion,

[00:05:16] power, has the ability to change lives.

[00:05:18] Doctor.

[00:05:20] Well, that's that's one of the things that came out in his interview was one of the

[00:05:25] interviewers asked him, you know, if you sat down with Jesus Christ, what would you ask

[00:05:30] him?

[00:05:31] His answer was, how did I do?

[00:05:35] He says, because I am just trying to go about it and and do what he would want me to do.

[00:05:42] And I would love to know how he felt.

[00:05:44] Now, I think there's a humility.

[00:05:46] I think there's a passion.

[00:05:48] I think it's been life changing for Jonathan.

[00:05:51] He he talks a little bit in the interview about how what he was doing wasn't working.

[00:05:57] I mean, you know, in terms of he tried to be a good person or anything like that.

[00:06:01] It was a live and left live kind of attitude.

[00:06:03] And and he said he had to be all in.

[00:06:05] He has to be all in.

[00:06:07] And I think it's a message for a lot of us.

[00:06:09] I mean, a lot of times it's kind of like, you know, we got one foot in Babylon and one

[00:06:14] foot in in some Christ kingdom, whatever our definition of that is.

[00:06:20] And and you really can't keep a summer home in Babylon.

[00:06:24] And I think that's one of the things I got out of this is that that he's all in on this.

[00:06:28] And as to this idea of, you know, there have been great artists that have portrayed or have

[00:06:35] attempted to portray through artwork his his imagery.

[00:06:40] There have been countless books written about him in regards to the impact that he has had on

[00:06:47] humanity.

[00:06:48] Nobody can give justice to any of that kind of thing.

[00:06:50] But I think that a lot of times fanaticism comes to the point that you've heard of all

[00:07:01] of these incidences where fortunately you don't hear about him every day, but where somebody

[00:07:06] portrayed Muhammad.

[00:07:07] It was a human being.

[00:07:09] I mean, and people revere him as a great, you know, emissary of God, a prophet.

[00:07:15] I mean, his religion, he's got a religion named after him, you know, basically.

[00:07:19] Exactly.

[00:07:20] But but they become so fanatical that they burn things down.

[00:07:26] They they murder people.

[00:07:27] They and and it's like, you know, this is kind of the antithesis of what you would think

[00:07:35] someone that was of a godly heritage and certainly the savior being the ultimate of that.

[00:07:43] But I just I just feel like people that get wrapped up around the axle so tight that way.

[00:07:49] You know, you can say, man, that was a bad portrayal.

[00:07:51] Holy cow.

[00:07:52] What was that guy thinking?

[00:07:53] Or, you know, whatever.

[00:07:54] I have seen so many Hollywood productions, church productions, honestly, where churches

[00:08:00] have tried to portray Jesus Christ in his mortal ministry that have just absolutely blown it,

[00:08:08] not blown it out of the water as in good, but have absolutely fallen flat on their face.

[00:08:13] Like I said, cardboard cutouts with drapes hanging on it with emotionless, passionless, you know,

[00:08:22] intellectually unstimulating interaction and exchange.

[00:08:25] And I think, holy cow, they blew it.

[00:08:27] But, you know, they have their their right to portray it.

[00:08:29] I just I just never I never partake of those insipid efforts efforts on those parts.

[00:08:37] So so I don't know, Sam, if people are really that passionate about you can't even show an

[00:08:42] image that that somebody says, well, this is somebody's attempt to show his life.

[00:08:47] What do you do?

[00:08:48] You want to bury him?

[00:08:49] You want to pull away?

[00:08:51] You want to make it so that he's down the memory hole so that nobody can ever even reflect

[00:08:55] on on his, you know, humanity, his godliness, his his offering is his his words and wisdom.

[00:09:06] I mean, you know, it's like putting down the memory hole.

[00:09:09] That's Orwellian, in my opinion.

[00:09:11] And so so I don't know.

[00:09:13] I guess I find it difficult to see how people can become so fanatically

[00:09:22] positioned as to reflect on no reflection.

[00:09:27] And I understand they would just say that it's meant to be reflective in your heart and

[00:09:32] in your mind.

[00:09:33] It's not meant to be politicized.

[00:09:35] It's not meant to be theaterized or whatever you want to say, take into the theater, take

[00:09:40] into the whatever.

[00:09:41] It's not meant to be on the big screen.

[00:09:42] It's not meant to make a bunch of money from it's not.

[00:09:45] And so I understand that side of the discussion.

[00:09:47] It's like, hey, Jesus is to be reverenced.

[00:09:49] He is the son of almighty God.

[00:09:51] And hey, the Bible is enough for many to say, let me, you know, read the Bible and pray

[00:09:56] and let the Holy Spirit be kind of my guide and my tutor in that regard.

[00:10:00] And, you know, I understand all sides of that discussion.

[00:10:02] I guess for me, though, what the Jonathan Rumi portrayal of the Savior does is it makes

[00:10:08] the Savior come alive in my mind.

[00:10:09] It makes him a real character.

[00:10:12] I mean, not that I didn't believe he was real before.

[00:10:14] I have and I do.

[00:10:15] I have a testimony.

[00:10:16] But, you know, the headline, I've got two headlines that highlight the points you're

[00:10:20] making here in the interview.

[00:10:22] Jonathan Rumi discusses portraying authentic Jesus in chosen series.

[00:10:29] That, you know, is really kind of critical because he he talks about, hey, we're talking

[00:10:34] about an authentic Jesus here was what we're trying to achieve.

[00:10:37] And I have respect for that personally.

[00:10:39] Jonathan Rumi says divine mercy changed his career in viral interview.

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[00:13:09] It's very interesting, this whole thing, in my opinion, this discussion of Jonathan Rumi and who he is, what he's done.

[00:13:16] I'm with Dr. Scott Radley, freedomsrisingsun.com.

[00:13:19] Check out his award-winning website, Q&As on the Constitution, his collegiate series to preserve the nation more, freedomsrisingsun.com.

[00:13:25] But Jonathan Rumi discusses portraying authentic Jesus in Chosen series.

[00:13:31] These are articles that I'm quoting from that have come out basically since January of this year.

[00:13:36] But Dr. Bradley is referring to a recent interview that was just done related to all this.

[00:13:41] Jonathan Rumi says Divine Mercy changed his career in viral interview on Set of the Chosen.

[00:13:51] Churchpop.com with that article.

[00:13:53] And it says actor Jonathan Rumi says after taking on the role of Jesus in the Chosen, his mindset is utter surrender to the Lord.

[00:14:07] He's come closer to the heart of Jesus.

[00:14:10] I really like that.

[00:14:12] CBN.com with that one.

[00:14:14] So, you know, there's a lot here, folks.

[00:14:16] And to me, the Chosen series is incredible.

[00:14:19] I know some people don't really, you know, appreciate it like I do, but I really think it makes the Savior come alive.

[00:14:25] And I get that in reality, it doesn't measure up.

[00:14:28] I understand that.

[00:14:29] Nobody can ever measure up to the Son of God.

[00:14:31] I understand all that.

[00:14:32] I also understand, though, that it basically takes the dramatization of the Bible to whole new levels.

[00:14:40] Now, what's interesting is Jonathan's career was basically no good when he was in some tiny stuff before this.

[00:14:46] He said he was out of food before he got the Jesus role.

[00:14:50] He was about to basically quit acting altogether.

[00:14:53] And he said God's mercy had divine intervention to put him on this path.

[00:14:58] And he's in awe.

[00:14:59] And he says, you know what?

[00:15:00] Just following what God wants me to do.

[00:15:06] I find that whole thing really interesting, doctor, because hopefully he'll change our lives in the same way.

[00:15:14] Yeah.

[00:15:15] And I think that that's a very personal kind of thing.

[00:15:17] Everybody has to, you know, have this come to Jesus moment, if you will.

[00:15:23] I mean, that's a cliche kind of thing to say.

[00:15:26] But I find it interesting, kind of going back to this portrayal of Jesus.

[00:15:31] I know, you know, everyone should know intuitively that whatever he portrays is inadequate.

[00:15:39] Okay.

[00:15:40] And, you know, if the whole world, I mean, if we wrote down everything that Jesus did, the whole world wouldn't fill his books.

[00:15:48] I mean, that's scriptural.

[00:15:49] But, I mean, the whole world would be filled with his books.

[00:15:52] But I find it interesting that they say, oh, no, no, no, just read the Bible.

[00:15:57] You'll be okay.

[00:15:58] And admittedly, there is a kind of a slant to what is portrayed in The Chosen.

[00:16:07] You know, I think they tried to do their best to have kind of a more abrasive kind of view of this than just one religious philosophy.

[00:16:15] But I think about it.

[00:16:16] If you just read the Bible, what?

[00:16:19] What do you mean?

[00:16:20] The King James Version?

[00:16:21] Or do you read the Catholic Version?

[00:16:24] Or do you read?

[00:16:25] I mean, every single thing that has been written down is, in a way, a Spanier interpretation.

[00:16:31] You've got an author's perspective.

[00:16:33] You've got a selection of words.

[00:16:35] You've got a...

[00:16:36] Well, even no matter which one you pick, you've got four authors, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, telling their own story.

[00:16:42] Thankfully so, by the way.

[00:16:43] I mean, we have...

[00:16:44] Absolutely.

[00:16:44] The divergence.

[00:16:46] But the fact of the matter is that everything, whether it's an artist's depiction on a canvas or an actor's position in a series or a movie or whatever, or even the scriptures themselves.

[00:17:01] And the scriptures, unfortunately, are imperfect in their translation and in their projection because...

[00:17:10] And people are going to say, oh, you're blaspheming, whatever.

[00:17:12] No, just think about it for a second.

[00:17:14] These are written by mortals.

[00:17:16] And if you've got some monk in a monastery someplace in the Middle Ages that's translating or that's...

[00:17:23] You know, I mean, the original, I mean, obviously, the King James Version is not the original language.

[00:17:29] And even in the original language, that's a flawed language.

[00:17:32] I mean, these languages don't even have vowels to be able to convey full meanings of words oftentimes.

[00:17:39] There was a projection, perhaps, of the person that was reading that in the original languages based upon their understanding.

[00:17:49] So everything is flawed.

[00:17:50] Yeah, and oftentimes there's not even words to translate, though.

[00:17:53] I mean, oftentimes there's words in other languages that there's not even really adequate translationable references or terms because the words are so deep in their contextual meaning that you can't convey the real intent.

[00:18:06] And there's simple examples of that, but you don't say things the same way in certain languages.

[00:18:11] And so as a result, it becomes so nuanced to where you're not really saying the same thing.

[00:18:15] I'll give you a quick example.

[00:18:17] You know, Jesus says to Peter, do you love me three times in a row?

[00:18:19] And if you study the original text and everything else, he was talking about different kinds of love and different kinds of representations.

[00:18:26] And it wasn't just to repeat it three times necessarily, although that has its own power.

[00:18:31] But there was more to it than that.

[00:18:33] But in English, when you just get the do you love me three times, you don't get the holistic reality of it, do you?

[00:18:38] Well, of course not.

[00:18:40] And the fact of the matter is that, well, I guess where I was going with his comment was, you don't have to let me beat your program up too badly today.

[00:18:50] But what I was going with this thing is the personal conversion through the power of the Spirit that's necessary.

[00:18:59] And if, in fact, the translators at the behest of King James did not portray accurately, and I believe that they had many push points that perverted their viewpoint.

[00:19:14] They were trying to impress a tyrant.

[00:19:16] King James was a tyrant, and they did the best they could without losing their heads.

[00:19:21] But let's just take that example.

[00:19:23] If the King James Version is absolutely not perfect, where do you get perfection?

[00:19:31] I think it's by the power of the Spirit.

[00:19:32] I think that if you make an outreach, I think God's hand is outreached to all of us.

[00:19:41] And generally speaking, our hand is closed and pulled back against our body.

[00:19:45] That's kind of generally humanity's favorite position.

[00:19:49] Well, that's the natural man and woman approach, right?

[00:19:52] Yes.

[00:19:53] But where I was going with this thing, and again, we can let sleeping dogs lie here momentarily, but I believe that the personal interaction with the power of the Spirit will bring that conversion to individuals.

[00:20:07] And your understanding of the perfection of Christ and His mission and His fulfillment of God's will, I think will perhaps change your life, too.

[00:20:19] I think that's where this needs to go.

[00:20:21] Boy, there's been so many imperfect efforts, and including that which is found in what we consider to be the Old Scriptures.

[00:20:28] You know, they may be the best bridge we've got to get going someplace, but they were still written by mortal individuals, and they were written in committee.

[00:20:39] I mean, think about the Nicene Creed and how it was created, you know?

[00:20:43] Well, and it was 400 years after Christ, first of all.

[00:20:45] So that time span no doubt puts a damper on its accuracy and its dependability and its consistency in terms of perfection.

[00:20:54] And there was basically big debates, and they had to kind of vote and decide.

[00:20:58] Now you're talking about men deciding of the whole nature of God, for that matter.

[00:21:02] Well, and that's the problem is that Constantine was not known as the most benevolent kind of guy.

[00:21:08] He didn't get a bunch of religious leaders together and say, these guys just kind of come up with what you can.

[00:21:15] I mean, he says, come up with what you can or else.

[00:21:18] I mean, he wanted a unifying doctrine that, I mean, his emperorship, his kingdom, whatever you want to call it, was at risk.

[00:21:27] The wheels were falling off.

[00:21:29] I mean, he wanted a unifying movement to keep people under his thumb.

[00:21:36] I mean, I'm sorry, people, but that's the way it is.

[00:21:39] And so it was written by committee.

[00:21:41] Well, and that's the way it's always been when you have governments and dictators and kings and all this kind of stuff at the helm of the religious understanding of and education regarding in whatever day they lived in, right?

[00:21:54] And that's the way it's always been when you have those dictators at the helm.

[00:21:56] It goes the way they expect it or demand it to go.

[00:22:00] Absolutely.

[00:22:00] And a lot of precious truths have been lost under that.

[00:22:04] You know, a lot of these people are evil along the way, too.

[00:22:07] I'm not here to point fingers at all these different people because I don't know.

[00:22:09] But I'm just saying a lot of evil was there.

[00:22:11] A lot of people who said, wait, I don't want the real king to threaten my kingdom.

[00:22:14] And so, therefore, you're going to or you're not going to or whatever.

[00:22:18] And so we've had multiple periods that religion was forced through that filter, right?

[00:22:27] Absolutely.

[00:22:28] And, again, I'm not trying to criticize anybody's belief system or anything just to say, look, give Jesus a chance in your own life.

[00:22:39] I mean, he's got a lot to offer, and if, in fact, we can kind of let him drive the ship or a car or whatever as we make it through life.

[00:22:52] And, again, he's entrusted us with making choices ourselves, and he stands by that as a sacred nature.

[00:23:00] But I think that sometimes we become so brittle.

[00:23:05] We shatter like glass when some – take the good for what it can be.

[00:23:11] I mean –

[00:23:11] Amen to that and embrace it and let it change your life.

[00:23:14] That's what Jonathan Rumi did, and here's what I find interesting about this character.

[00:23:18] You know, you've got the Barack Obama that was first on the stage to kind of be the nation's savior as a Jesus kind of figure and this kind of stuff.

[00:23:26] And then Donald Trump kind of did that.

[00:23:27] Now they're kind of doing this with Kamala Harris.

[00:23:29] They literally basically take out anything that's real about them.

[00:23:32] They have this media-crafted portrayal of who they are and kind of some, in my opinion, dishonest and immoral and deceptive ways to make them holier than thou.

[00:23:41] And, man, if we just get this person elected or just get this person in position or power, man, the world will be great.

[00:23:47] I contrast that and their rise to power.

[00:23:50] Literally, Kamala came to power from nowhere and nobody in some very perverse ways.

[00:23:56] Jonathan Rumi, though, believe it or not, was basically poor as a church mouse, didn't have food, didn't know what he was going to do.

[00:24:01] And he was literally saved by this savior role in many ways.

[00:24:05] And I find that an interesting contrast.

[00:24:07] But here's what he says about any indication that he's somehow important or somehow, you know, put on a pestle.

[00:24:18] Here's what Jonathan Rumi says.

[00:24:20] I'm not the real Jesus.

[00:24:22] Let's just get that out of the way first.

[00:24:27] Nobody else.

[00:24:28] I haven't heard Donald or anybody else say that kind of stuff.

[00:24:31] What a humble guy.

[00:24:32] And let's talk more about this because I want to point some folks in a direction on this, Dr. Bradley.

[00:24:37] It's a great topic.

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[00:30:39] We're talking about Jonathan Rumi interviews, discusses his attitude, all related to playing authentic Jesus in Chosen series.

[00:30:50] And he said divine mercy changed his career.

[00:30:53] He was broke, didn't have food, didn't know what he was going to do.

[00:30:55] And the career role of playing Jesus saved him.

[00:30:59] Now, he says that his mindset is utter surrender to the Lord, and it changes people.

[00:31:05] And I look at the presidents of the United States and, you know, some of these leaders, Taylor Swift.

[00:31:10] You know, she's almost like a godlike character, the way people behave about some of these people.

[00:31:15] And Donald Trump and Joe Biden and Barack Hussein Obama and some of these people have kind of allowed this narrative to go that they're the next savior, they're the next Jesus.

[00:31:27] Jonathan Rumi, who plays Jesus, says this to start an interview.

[00:31:33] I'm not the real Jesus.

[00:31:35] Let's get that out of the way.

[00:31:38] How the chosen leader became a star for Christian causes.

[00:31:42] He follows a long line of actors who played the king of kings.

[00:31:46] Anyway, my whole point about this is that this guy is very humble.

[00:31:50] And he flat out says, I don't even come close to measuring up.

[00:31:54] And the more I play this role, the more I know that.

[00:31:55] And I think God has used this unlikely character to play the role of Jesus, to, you know, make the world understand that Jesus was real.

[00:32:10] He did live.

[00:32:11] He did suffer on the cross.

[00:32:13] And he did rise from the dead.

[00:32:16] And because of that central figure role the savior played, we all can be saved.

[00:32:23] And really, I think it's the way I judge whether something's good or bad or right or wrong, or should we believe in it, follow it, give it a chance, whatever you want to say is.

[00:32:30] Does it encourage my understanding of and belief in God, in Christ, in the great resurrection?

[00:32:39] And if it does, then I believe in it and support it.

[00:32:42] And if it doesn't, then I turn it away.

[00:32:44] And everything that I see from the chosen and Jonathan Rumi and all this stuff, he does a phenomenal job.

[00:32:51] He doesn't draw attention to himself.

[00:32:52] He's just like, man, I can't even believe I'm here.

[00:32:54] I was starving for food before.

[00:32:55] And I'm just, the more I play this role, the more I'm in awe of the savior of his life, what he really did.

[00:33:02] And I just want to follow God in all that I do.

[00:33:05] And I believe that viewpoint from him is genuine, doctor.

[00:33:10] And I see all these other figures out there for whatever these different reasons are.

[00:33:13] And the contrast is striking, sir.

[00:33:17] You know, you bring up a lot of people that I would say are fatally flawed in their arrogance and their self-centered attitudes and so on.

[00:33:25] They're fatally flawed.

[00:33:26] That's the only way I can actually truthfully describe them.

[00:33:30] And they promote, many of them, this kind of almost godlike figure that they're, you know, they're kind of elevated to by their fans.

[00:33:39] And there's a couple of truisms, perhaps, that then may be a recommended reading for your listeners.

[00:33:47] The truism is generally this.

[00:33:49] If you think you're the next enlightened one, you're not.

[00:33:53] I mean, if you think you are, you're not.

[00:33:57] Okay.

[00:33:57] And that is something that most people have a hard time grasping because everybody is looking for this kind of most excellent leader that they can hang their hat on and go forward and have everything kind of answered for them.

[00:34:13] They're not.

[00:34:14] They're not.

[00:34:15] Get over it.

[00:34:16] They're not.

[00:34:16] But there was an interesting book, a little story written by Nathaniel Hawthorne.

[00:34:22] It was published, I think, in 1850.

[00:34:24] It's called The Great Stone Face, highly regarded by me as kind of a message-laden story.

[00:34:32] And it's in an unnamed, probably New England setting, where there's a stone face on the, you know, mountain.

[00:34:40] It's a natural formation that looks like a face.

[00:34:44] Some wise philosopher kind of leader, whatever.

[00:34:49] And without ruining the whole story, the idea is that this young boy from his childhood has told the story that there will be someone come out of that valley that is to be kind of a reflection of that great stone face, that icon that overlooks the valley.

[00:35:07] And so this little boy's whole life is looking, is looking, is watching.

[00:35:11] You know, the great military leaders, the business icons, whatever comes back to great fanfare.

[00:35:18] Everybody's, oh, this is the guy.

[00:35:19] No, well, it's really maybe not.

[00:35:21] And in the end, it's a very kind of surprise ending.

[00:35:26] The young man as an old man has come to reflect the wisdom and understanding and benevolence and love and everything that people thought the leader would be.

[00:35:37] But he had focused his life on what would this guy be like that he became.

[00:35:45] And it was not anything that he himself and he himself does not want to gather to himself.

[00:35:51] Oh, it's him.

[00:35:52] It's him.

[00:35:53] No, no.

[00:35:54] His hope is that there will be someone to come that's more worthy.

[00:35:57] Anyway, you've got to read the story.

[00:35:59] It's a brief story.

[00:36:02] The Great Stone Face, Nathaniel Hawthorne, published, I think, in 1850.

[00:36:06] So it's an old story.

[00:36:07] That's right.

[00:36:08] In fact, it was even remade into a longer book as well.

[00:36:11] So it's been around for a long time and it's been revered for quite some time.

[00:36:14] And it reminds me a little bit of the, I can't remember what it is.

[00:36:17] It's like the fourth wise man.

[00:36:20] The story of the fourth wise man, his name is Artemis, I think it is.

[00:36:26] And so this fourth wise man basically missed the wise men.

[00:36:29] And he was supposed to meet up with them and go, but he missed them and couldn't.

[00:36:33] And the reason he missed them is because he was helping people along the way.

[00:36:35] And he had these three important gifts to give Jesus and he had to spend each gift along the way to help others.

[00:36:42] And anyway, long story short, right when Jesus was being hauled off to the cross, he saw Jesus but couldn't help and save him.

[00:36:50] And he tried, but somebody was about to be harmed.

[00:36:53] And so he tried to help that other person as his final act.

[00:36:56] And then he got smashed and died.

[00:36:58] And then he met the Savior after his death.

[00:37:03] And, you know, the Lord said, come unto me, you faithful one.

[00:37:06] And he said, well, I've been chasing you and trying, but I never got there.

[00:37:11] And the Lord says, quite the contrary.

[00:37:12] You know, you did this and this and this.

[00:37:14] And look at all the things you did.

[00:37:15] You found me more than others have found me.

[00:37:18] And so it's kind of an issue.

[00:37:20] I think it's Artemis.

[00:37:21] I think it's anyway.

[00:37:23] I'd have to find the story, but it reminds me a lot of that.

[00:37:26] When did we see the hungered and naked and cold?

[00:37:30] That's right.

[00:37:31] Afflicted.

[00:37:32] I mean, all our lives we can do this.

[00:37:35] And getting back again to this idea of interpretations along the way.

[00:37:40] John, you know, the beloved, the guy that he calls himself that.

[00:37:44] And probably Jesus called him my beloved disciple.

[00:37:47] I don't know.

[00:37:48] How do you take a name like that on yourself without some kind of authority?

[00:37:52] But anyway, in the 21st chapter, verse 25, he writes, and there are also many other things which Jesus did.

[00:38:04] Okay.

[00:38:05] That's a very big understatement.

[00:38:06] Many other things which Jesus did.

[00:38:08] The witch, if they should be written, everyone, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.

[00:38:15] Okay.

[00:38:16] So here we have the briefest of brief.

[00:38:20] We have an abridgment of an abridgment.

[00:38:23] We could probably say not even a hundredth part of what the Savior did during his mortal ministry is contained in people.

[00:38:33] People say, oh, no, if it ain't in the Bible, it ain't.

[00:38:35] Yeah, it really did happen.

[00:38:38] But we don't have a documentation about that.

[00:38:41] But by the power of the Spirit, all things can be made known unto us.

[00:38:45] And our own spirit can come to really embrace the wholeness of this magnificent individual that no one can ever possibly begin to portray correctly.

[00:38:58] But even John, in his little documentation of it, he said, no, you know, even the whole world couldn't even hold the books that should be written, should be written, he said.

[00:39:10] Or he didn't say could be written.

[00:39:12] He said should be written.

[00:39:14] It's a flaw there, if you will.

[00:39:18] It's not a full containment of the magnificence of the Savior and his mission.

[00:39:22] But so, you know, I think sometimes we just get so persnickety and brittle and fragile and angry and everything that we miss the magnificence of the message that we should see regularly.

[00:39:38] I feel bad.

[00:39:39] I feel bad for myself.

[00:39:41] I mean, I'm self-pity, I guess.

[00:39:43] No, I understand.

[00:39:45] I don't get it.

[00:39:46] By the way, the fourth Wise Man, there was a film made about it.

[00:39:49] There's a book about it and everything else if you don't know.

[00:39:51] So it was Artaban is the guy's name.

[00:39:56] And like I said, I just tried to do it from memory and I had it wrong.

[00:39:59] It's Artaban, the fourth Wise Man.

[00:40:01] It's a fictional character, though, Sam.

[00:40:01] It is.

[00:40:03] But here's the point in my mind.

[00:40:05] Yeah, it gives the thought.

[00:40:07] And that's my point is that some of this, it doesn't matter so much that it's real as long as we understand that it's not.

[00:40:13] In other words, we understand that the dialogue between the apostles and the chosen is made up.

[00:40:18] We don't know what the real dialogue between those people were.

[00:40:20] We have no idea.

[00:40:21] However, we do know a little bit about each person's character.

[00:40:24] And for example, the Sons of Thunder.

[00:40:26] I doubt it's because they were super timid.

[00:40:28] Right.

[00:40:29] And so we do have quite an understanding, believe it or not.

[00:40:32] We're told more than we think we are if we really ponder and pray and work at it.

[00:40:36] And so, yeah, the Artaban was a fictional character.

[00:40:41] Although that character morphs into every one of our lives, as you were about to say.

[00:40:46] Let's talk about it when we get back from the pause.

[00:40:48] But every one of our lives, it can be just like that, right?

[00:40:51] Anyway, we'll talk about it in seconds on your radio.

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[00:43:06] I'm mentioning Artaban, the fourth wise man.

[00:43:10] It's a fictional character.

[00:43:10] There's a movie, book, all that kind of stuff written about it.

[00:43:13] But they say this.

[00:43:14] You know, him and his servant are traveling.

[00:43:16] They miss the caravan.

[00:43:17] But Artaban continues the search for his king.

[00:43:21] Always one step behind.

[00:43:24] Artaban spends much of his remaining wealth and all of his energies helping the poor and unfortunate people he meets along his way.

[00:43:33] Until at the end of his life, he finds Jesus at his trial.

[00:43:38] Has Artaban wasted his life in a, quote, foolish quest?

[00:43:43] Will he ever get the opportunity or the chance to present his gifts to the king?

[00:43:49] Anyway, I bring that up because it really, in my opinion, mirrors our lives.

[00:43:53] And I think that's really what the book you're talking about, The Great Stone Face, published by Nathaniel Hawthorne in 1850.

[00:44:03] You know, these kind of are ways to help people understand Christ and ways to point people to Christ and ways for people to reflect on their own lives, get on their knees, have communion with God, and then get up and do something about it.

[00:44:19] And to change our souls, to change who we are from the natural man and woman, which is an enemy to God, to a God-fearing follower.

[00:44:28] And I think it's happened in Jonathan Rumi's life.

[00:44:31] I think it's happening in lives all across the world because of The Chosen, because of the book that you highlight, because of this book and movie series that I highlight.

[00:44:40] All of them are attempts to point us to Christ, doctor.

[00:44:45] And again, I think we're being way too critical when we find fault with any offering.

[00:44:54] You know, all of our offerings are imperfect if we stop and think about it.

[00:45:00] I've never been the kind of husband or father I should be or grandfather.

[00:45:05] I lament that, but the fact of the matter is that if I recognize that, I can always be moving towards a better outcome on that thing.

[00:45:18] And this idea about, in as much as you've done it unto one of the least of these, my brother, and you've done it unto me, I think that needs to be reflective more often in our daily actions.

[00:45:30] I mean, you know, somebody cuts you off on the highway.

[00:45:34] I mean, you know, suddenly you're the great offended one, you know, and everybody needs to just kind of lighten up.

[00:45:43] And I don't know.

[00:45:46] Yeah, you got to chillax a little bit.

[00:45:47] That's for sure.

[00:45:48] Anyway, even this show's attempt to use these examples that we're pointing to.

[00:45:52] The Chosen, Jonathan Rumi, the Great Stone Face, Artaban, the Fourth Wise Man.

[00:46:00] You know, even these attempts are far from what they really ought to be.

[00:46:04] But we're doing our very best.

[00:46:05] And we hope that in the end it helps people become a little more like Christ.

[00:46:10] Look to Christ for answers, solutions, comfort, peace, and strength.

[00:46:15] On a couple of other notes, Newsmax now on YouTube TV.

[00:46:20] Yeah, they say Newsmax joins YouTube's TV's paid TV lineup of major cable channels as of noon yesterday.

[00:46:29] Talkers Magazine with that, talkers.com.

[00:46:31] So I found that kind of interesting, Doctor.

[00:46:32] Well, we're talking about Jesus Newsmax is getting on the YouTube there for a live channel.

[00:46:38] Well, I hope they have more luck with YouTube than I have.

[00:46:42] YouTube to me is about as bland and they're insipid.

[00:46:49] They're vapid.

[00:46:51] I mean, they're paid field.

[00:46:53] I understand.

[00:46:55] But it's interesting, though.

[00:46:56] Newsmax will probably do pretty well because they pay a lot of money to the opposition.

[00:46:59] As far as I understand, Chris Reddy and those folks over at Newsmax paid a bunch of money to old Hillary and Bill back in the day and stuff like that.

[00:47:06] So, you know, when you pay to play, it works pretty well indeed.

[00:47:11] Well, while we're talking about Jesus and while we're, you know, talking about Jonathan Rumi and Artaban and others that are trying their best to point people to Christ,

[00:47:20] Kamala's doing a different thing.

[00:47:22] And it's really weird.

[00:47:23] Watch Kamala.

[00:47:26] They say unveil bizarre new accent as she goes on a dumpster fire interview.

[00:47:35] She went on Stephen Colbert's failing night show Tuesday evening.

[00:47:40] And she's on a last minute media blitz as her poll numbers tank.

[00:47:47] So it was old dumpster fire.

[00:47:49] She went on literally Stephen Colbert.

[00:47:51] And basically, as far as I understand, they had a beer.

[00:47:54] Now, I don't know what on earth is happening.

[00:47:57] But imagine your claim to fame is you want to get on TV as a woman and have a beer with some late night comedy clown.

[00:48:05] A late night news, whatever.

[00:48:07] I don't even know if it's news, but there you go.

[00:48:09] And so she goes on there and they decide they're just going to have a beer.

[00:48:13] And that's that's her kind of claim to fame.

[00:48:15] Well, Jonathan Rumi is saying, man, I'm in awe of what I'm doing to promote the savior.

[00:48:19] Let's get it out of the way.

[00:48:20] I'm not the real savior.

[00:48:21] Let's be clear about that.

[00:48:22] The clown Harris.

[00:48:24] Here's what she wants you to think of the president of the United, the next president of the United States.

[00:48:29] Here's what she wants you to think.

[00:48:30] Here's here's the interaction.

[00:48:37] Liz, are you there?

[00:48:40] One of the old saws is I they just want somebody they can have a beer with.

[00:48:43] So would you like to have a beer with me so I can tell people what that's like?

[00:48:49] This was now we asked ahead of time because I can't just be given a drink to the vice president.

[00:48:55] I'd say let us you ask for Miller.

[00:48:59] I'm just curious.

[00:49:01] OK, the last time I had beer was at a baseball game with Doug.

[00:49:06] OK, cheers.

[00:49:08] There you go.

[00:49:15] It's like the beautiful city of Milwaukee.

[00:49:18] The champagne of beers.

[00:49:19] There you go.

[00:49:21] So I don't even know how to describe the clown show.

[00:49:26] That was I mean, first off, did they get paid from Miller or whatever for this beer commercial?

[00:49:32] The president, the woman president of the United States, it would be the first woman ever.

[00:49:36] You know, she sits down with this clown and has a beer and she's like, hey, man, it's the champagne of beers.

[00:49:41] You know, we're having a good.

[00:49:45] We're this person is vying to be the commander in chief of the greatest military in the world.

[00:49:53] The leader of the free world, doctor.

[00:49:55] Are you kidding me right now?

[00:49:58] You know, the thing that came to my mind when you played that, I hadn't seen or heard that little escapade.

[00:50:04] But 99 bottles of beer on the wall.

[00:50:07] 99 bottles of beer.

[00:50:08] Take one down and pass it around.

[00:50:11] 98 bottles of beer.

[00:50:12] 98 bottles of beer on the wall.

[00:50:14] Yeah.

[00:50:15] I mean, it's come on.

[00:50:16] You're goggle wide.

[00:50:17] Everybody puts their beer goggles and stigers around in their little charade of being normal.

[00:50:26] I mean, everything she does is a charade, it seems like.

[00:50:29] I mean, so much is coming out about what her childhood was like.

[00:50:33] It wasn't this, you know, struggle in the ghetto or anything like that that she'd have people believe in.

[00:50:40] And the actual circumstances of her raising it.

[00:50:44] Everything.

[00:50:45] Her fake, you know, accents that she puts on or her inner city accents versus her whatever.

[00:50:53] It's like she's a chameleon that takes whatever shape or form.

[00:50:57] It's as fake as fake gets.

[00:51:00] And I compare that against the examples that we gave of people doing their very best, genuine attempts to promote the Savior Jesus Christ, the only real Savior we've got.

[00:51:08] And, I mean, think about the first woman in the United States.

[00:51:11] When she sat down and had a beer with Stephen, this clown on TV or whatever, late night TV, let's have a beer.

[00:51:16] And he's like, I asked ahead of time because I didn't dare offer a beer to the vice president without getting her permission first.

[00:51:22] And she's like, oh, yeah, the last time I had a beer was with my husband, Doug.

[00:51:27] She's trying to become, you know, personable to the American people.

[00:51:31] But in my opinion, she cast herself so far from who we are.

[00:51:34] The crowd loved it, though, Doctor.

[00:51:36] It was weird as all get out.

[00:51:38] Maybe everybody there had a beer before.

[00:51:40] Who knows?

[00:51:41] I mean, they might have made it a little outing that everybody got a little lubricated before they got a chance.

[00:51:46] And maybe you have to be lubricated to put up with that TV show because it's another one of those banality of evil kind of things where it's a very common, coarse, boring kind of everything.

[00:52:01] I mean, so.

[00:52:01] But is that the portrayal you want of the next president of the United States?

[00:52:05] She's just like cackling.

[00:52:07] Ha, ha, ha.

[00:52:08] I had a beer.

[00:52:09] And I, man, isn't that the best of beers?

[00:52:11] And it's just like a little beer commercial is all it is.

[00:52:13] Well, I suspect that if you knew the real Kamala Harris that came up through the ranks, supposedly, that's probably one of the most, shall we say, innocent of all the things that have gone on.

[00:52:29] So I guess, you know, to me, it just is another manifestation of how far we have fallen.

[00:52:36] I've said for years that the office of president is an office of lessers.

[00:52:41] Tragically, sadly, the best you can think about in the last hundred years have been manipulated and manipulators.

[00:52:49] And it's a sad, sad scenario.

[00:52:53] And people say, oh, this one's got to be an exception to that.

[00:52:56] I think we could point out things that maybe might pop your bubble too.

[00:53:00] So we have what we have.

[00:53:03] And I guess we get the kind of government and leadership that we deserve.

[00:53:07] But sadly, we seem to encourage that kind of degraded perspective on a lot of things.

[00:53:15] It's just a sad, tragic commentary right now of what's going on in the political environment of the United States.

[00:53:23] You're right about that.

[00:53:24] Anyway, I bring this up.

[00:53:26] I agree with you.

[00:53:26] It's probably one of the most innocent acts in her quest for power.

[00:53:33] There's no doubt about that.

[00:53:34] But at the same time, I just say, is that what Americans really want?

[00:53:37] I mean, if that's her way to endear herself to the voters.

[00:53:42] Oh, boy, my fellow Americans, we're in serious trouble indeed.

[00:53:45] Indeed.

[00:53:46] Now, in contrast, by the way, you know, Donald Trump doesn't drink as far as we understand.

[00:53:53] And, you know, Kamala, they say that she's an alcoholic and a lot of her word salads have to do with her alcoholism.

[00:53:58] And so all I can tell you is that, look, the American people are getting painted a big contrast.

[00:54:03] Donald's far from perfect.

[00:54:05] But compared to a Kamala?

[00:54:07] Wow.

[00:54:08] I don't even know how to respond to all this.

[00:54:11] You know, I wish we had a real honest person to vote for.

[00:54:13] The problem is I don't have anybody good, honest, moral, and wise to vote for.

[00:54:17] I just don't.

[00:54:18] But nevertheless, compared to Kamala, I mean, Donald's at least not guilty of alcoholic word salad

[00:54:26] and drinking beer with a liberal talk host in the nighttime hours trying to save a talk show

[00:54:31] and saving a beer brand that's failing like her campaign.

[00:54:35] It's strange as all get out.

[00:54:36] All right.

[00:54:37] Hour one in the can.

[00:54:38] Dr. Scott Bradley with me.

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