Radio Show Hour 1 – 09/23/2024

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[00:00:47] using the Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution for the United States of America as our guide.

[00:00:53] The reality, check-living, gentlemen, is everybody wants to chip away at the Supreme

[00:00:57] Law of the Land.

[00:00:58] And what we do is we add insult to injury over and over and over.

[00:01:03] That is indeed the problem in an nutshell.

[00:01:06] We add insult to injury.

[00:01:09] Let's not do that.

[00:01:11] Dr. Bradley will be with me for two hours today because it is a loss out on business.

[00:01:16] And, you know, Dr. Bradley is one of the premier constitutionalists in the country.

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[00:01:34] And at issue today is a topic that relates specifically to Utah, in fact right now.

[00:01:41] But I want you to understand that it doesn't just relate to Utah.

[00:01:44] It relates to every jurisdiction in the country.

[00:01:48] All right.

[00:01:48] We're talking about principles and principles are time tested and true day in and day out.

[00:01:55] All right?

[00:01:56] So it's the principle that matters here.

[00:01:58] And I want to use Utah because the clear example before a single member of vote.

[00:02:04] Yeah, you're nay.

[00:02:06] But the reality is folks, the seeds for deception and destruction were in the first insult.

[00:02:15] Now we want to add injury to that.

[00:02:19] All right?

[00:02:20] Why do we do this?

[00:02:22] I don't know, but we continue to do it in America.

[00:02:24] And that's why even though this seems to be a Utah discussion,

[00:02:28] because it's a very hard reality in front of us now for the voting ballot in November.

[00:02:33] But it's really a broad discussion based on principle and jurisdiction.

[00:02:37] We get the pattern of solution from our founding fathers.

[00:02:42] And here's the fundamental question that you ready.

[00:02:44] Are we a constitutional republic or are we a democracy?

[00:02:49] See, in a constitutional republic, you've got the rule of law.

[00:02:53] You've got the moral high ground.

[00:02:54] You've got checks and balances and clarity of whose responsibility a given issue is.

[00:03:01] And whose responsibility by nature then it is not.

[00:03:06] You got it?

[00:03:08] Now, here's the question.

[00:03:10] In Utah now they got what's called amendment D delta.

[00:03:14] Amendment D they want to know yes or no.

[00:03:16] And the question is this should citizens support amendment D to the Utah State Constitution?

[00:03:24] Which allows the legislature to amend Utah code,

[00:03:29] even code that is put in place by citizen initiative.

[00:03:35] Yes or no?

[00:03:36] And so you go well of course by calling you know the legislative body.

[00:03:39] They're the ones that make law absolutely they should.

[00:03:43] Yes, that's right.

[00:03:46] But no, we're going about this wrong.

[00:03:49] And that's the quintessential discussion.

[00:03:51] Let me break it down a little further then we'll bring Dr. Bradley in for that a

[00:03:54] Tales of this discussion.

[00:03:57] The ability for citizens to make laws directly through initiative and

[00:04:03] referendum in Utah began around 1900.

[00:04:09] They manipulated the Utah State Constitution.

[00:04:14] And then they further manipulated it by down the road state statutes, et cetera.

[00:04:20] All right. It was done back in 1900 in the very beginning.

[00:04:25] All right.

[00:04:26] Through article I think it's six section one,

[00:04:30] which was later than section six article 22 or section 22 I guess it is.

[00:04:36] All right.

[00:04:36] And back in 1985 they made that change.

[00:04:39] They say this, this amendment empowers the people of Utah to

[00:04:44] propose laws and amendments to laws as well as then to require the

[00:04:50] legislature to consider such proposals.

[00:04:55] Thereby granting legislative power to the citizenry directly.

[00:05:02] Now that is the problem.

[00:05:05] Okay, the Utah State Constitution just like the federal

[00:05:09] Constitution or the general constitution that's better said.

[00:05:13] Left all legislative authority with the legislative body, all law making

[00:05:17] authority all not part all.

[00:05:19] Which to be done by the legislative body, you say, well, same way the citizens

[00:05:22] gave that power can't they take back some of that power?

[00:05:26] Well, so now you got this reality check where you give power to the general

[00:05:29] to the state or the general government all.

[00:05:32] Then you give some of that power back and then you have the legislature

[00:05:37] then say, well, we got to control that power that the legislature

[00:05:40] to body gave back and then you got to.

[00:05:43] And what you're going to do is set up this hagaly and dialectic set up

[00:05:46] this power balance fight between the state legislature in this case.

[00:05:51] And the people who has the real authority now will the real slim shady,

[00:05:55] please stand up kind of a debate.

[00:05:57] That's the problem.

[00:05:59] The problem isn't should we let the legislature control what

[00:06:07] that's the clone argument.

[00:06:09] We're so far from the Constitution.

[00:06:11] The question on amendment D should say this, should we have ever granted any

[00:06:16] legislative power to the people directly circumventing the legislative body

[00:06:20] in the Constitution?

[00:06:21] The answer is clearly no, we should not have.

[00:06:23] Therefore, we're taking that away and all legislative power as it was

[00:06:27] intended by our founders in the general constitution and in the state

[00:06:31] constitution resides with the legislative body.

[00:06:33] But we're not doing that.

[00:06:34] See, that's the clown show.

[00:06:36] What we're doing is we're saying what we're going to give power to the

[00:06:38] legislative body, all of it.

[00:06:40] Then we're going to get some amendment that passes some of it back

[00:06:42] to the people.

[00:06:43] They're going to create another amendment that creates,

[00:06:46] we got to put a check on the people.

[00:06:47] They're getting too out of control there and then we got to go ahead

[00:06:49] and pretty soon what you're going to do is have a battle.

[00:06:52] It's going to go to the court and the courts get to decide everything.

[00:06:55] So the weakest branch of government ends up being the strongest branch of

[00:06:57] government.

[00:06:57] The people are in the legislative bodies are completely

[00:07:00] sideline eventually.

[00:07:01] It's a hagaly and dialectic.

[00:07:03] It's the dividing conquer tactic.

[00:07:06] It's the battle over power, the war.

[00:07:08] You know, we're going to go to war over this thing.

[00:07:10] That's the problem.

[00:07:12] We should have never given any authority to the people to directly

[00:07:15] make law on the first place.

[00:07:19] So stopping that is a good idea.

[00:07:20] That's right.

[00:07:22] But the way they're going about it is all off the rails

[00:07:25] wrong.

[00:07:25] Dr. Bradley, welcome sir.

[00:07:27] Does that set the stage?

[00:07:31] Yes, I'm good morning.

[00:07:32] Good morning, everybody.

[00:07:34] You know, when I was 11 years old, I started for a week.

[00:07:38] Okay, now a lot of people have these little machines.

[00:07:41] They made four wheelers back then.

[00:07:43] All right.

[00:07:43] Good.

[00:07:44] Hey, Willie's Jeep came out.

[00:07:46] We're going to.

[00:07:48] That's your point.

[00:07:49] All right.

[00:07:49] Old Willie's Jeep, a world where two cheap has only 11 years old.

[00:07:54] And I just, I mean, what is what the heck does that do with what Sam's

[00:07:58] talking about?

[00:07:59] Well, I learned very early is that sometimes when you pick a path,

[00:08:05] you got to gear it real low and you got to pick your path in your way

[00:08:09] because every inch of it is going to show success or not.

[00:08:13] I mean, you know, you can go into a disaster pretty quickly

[00:08:17] and flatten your roll bar if you don't watch it.

[00:08:19] You know, but anyway, I'm just kind of thinking this is a subject.

[00:08:22] We've got to put it in low gear.

[00:08:24] We've got to take this and break it down to its fundamental issues

[00:08:30] and then build it back up again a little bit.

[00:08:35] The United States Constitution specifically requires,

[00:08:38] you know, Article 4, Section 4 says that every state has to have

[00:08:42] a republic.

[00:08:43] What is a republic or republic in the United States is where we elect

[00:08:50] trusted representatives to create law with the

[00:08:54] state in the limits and bounds established constitutionally.

[00:08:57] So you cannot create, let's just take a Utah law that's currently fundamentally

[00:09:02] wrong where the state is trying to seize water rights.

[00:09:07] Okay? The Constitution in Utah specifically says water rights are

[00:09:11] fundamental.

[00:09:13] They're basically organic and in the Constitution.

[00:09:17] But the legislature now is trying to seize water rights.

[00:09:20] And it's like, no, no, this stuff is like the God given right.

[00:09:23] This stuff was from the beginning.

[00:09:25] Okay? And the beginning was, you know,

[00:09:28] and so in a republic, our republic trusted representatives

[00:09:33] are elected by the people to then fulfill that assignment within

[00:09:38] the limits and bounds. So they're not given a blank check.

[00:09:42] They have to stay within the bounds.

[00:09:44] They take an oath to keep it within the bounds in Utah.

[00:09:48] The Utah Constitution and the United States Constitution

[00:09:50] and the other state has a similar kind of situation.

[00:09:53] A democracy on the other hand, as defined by the American founding fathers,

[00:09:58] is where the people legislate directly.

[00:10:02] So the people create law directly.

[00:10:05] Now that's in the United, the excuse me, the Utah Constitution in

[00:10:08] Article 6, as you pointed out, prohibit an un-

[00:10:11] Well, no, Article 6 of the Utah Constitution says

[00:10:17] that the legislative power of the state is vested in the Senate and

[00:10:21] House and the people. And then it outlines the process by which

[00:10:26] the people may create law directly.

[00:10:29] Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is that was the amendment though,

[00:10:32] right in 1900.

[00:10:35] Go ahead and skip the break.

[00:10:36] I believe that was in 1896 when the Constitution,

[00:10:40] I mean, it was written down.

[00:10:42] Yeah, because the point that I'm getting out is in the beginning

[00:10:44] only the legislative body all authority to make law was in the legislative body.

[00:10:50] And that's the problem when you try to take that back or give the

[00:10:53] citizens in the legislative body, both the ability to do things

[00:10:56] who controls who went how, where becomes this psychotic off-stage

[00:11:01] debate when I say off-stage.

[00:11:03] I mean, we're now leaving the Constitution as our guide.

[00:11:05] We're now leaving principle as our guide.

[00:11:07] And we're going to debate who's got what power and we're going to get into

[00:11:10] this downstream argument about it.

[00:11:12] The fact is, all legislative power at the general level was given to the

[00:11:17] general government for their pursuant delegated responsibilities.

[00:11:21] And the same was given to the state.

[00:11:24] And so when they mix this up, you got to just simply ask the way I

[00:11:28] find out if something's good or not oftentimes I follow up with

[00:11:31] another question.

[00:11:32] So should citizens support this amendment D?

[00:11:35] Yes, you know, I say, are we a democracy or are we a

[00:11:38] Constitution or a public? Once you enter that, the answer is

[00:11:41] obvious, right?

[00:11:42] So that's the problem here that we face is the people around that

[00:11:45] imprensible.

[00:11:46] And therefore, they end up getting let around by their nose on this thing.

[00:11:51] I don't know why, but that's what happens.

[00:11:53] Look, if we're a Constitutional Republic, it says all legislative authority

[00:11:57] in the legislative body.

[00:11:59] That's to prevent mobocracy.

[00:12:01] That's to prevent the very problem they created with this change

[00:12:04] back in 1896, or whatever exactly it was right around 1900.

[00:12:08] They created the problem.

[00:12:09] And now they want us to give them another amendment to create a solution

[00:12:12] of the problem, which will just simply add insult to injury doctor.

[00:12:17] So you need to understand everybody needs to understand that we have

[00:12:22] where we have trusted representatives and everything that had to do with

[00:12:25] a founding to this nation.

[00:12:27] From the bringing forth of the Declaration of Independence to the

[00:12:30] application of the United States Constitution, to how we change

[00:12:34] that constitution is all Republican.

[00:12:36] And it's done by trusted representatives.

[00:12:40] And hold on, when we say Republican, we're talking about a

[00:12:43] Republican form of government, not a party people.

[00:12:46] Got it?

[00:12:46] Good.

[00:12:47] Go ahead, sir.

[00:12:48] So what happens is that in every instance, the people never, ever, ever

[00:12:56] except for the selection of their representatives get to step into this process.

[00:13:01] And they're not creating legislation at that time, all they're doing is selecting

[00:13:04] their best people to keep their, you know, freedom by keeping their

[00:13:09] actions within the constitutional limits and bounds.

[00:13:12] So in every step of the way, even if we changed the constitution today,

[00:13:17] it would be done in a Republican manner done by either convention or

[00:13:21] the legislatures of the states.

[00:13:23] The conventions are trusted representatives.

[00:13:25] The legislatures of the states are trusted representatives.

[00:13:28] This is the form of government in the United States,

[00:13:31] the article for specifically says that has to be what states have.

[00:13:36] And let me explain really quickly simply, the reason that is, ladies and

[00:13:39] gentlemen, because you want to check and announce that every

[00:13:43] juncture in the process, doctor, that's the key here, right?

[00:13:48] It is, and the big problem is that democracy is basically, it's like a pack of

[00:13:56] wolves deciding with a sheep in one of them, what's going to be for

[00:13:59] a general leader, the sheep's always going to lose.

[00:14:03] So there are trusted representatives who have got to keep their actions within

[00:14:07] the limits and bounds.

[00:14:10] So in a democracy, though, it becomes more brutal.

[00:14:13] And by the way, if you go back in your read, Marxist communist

[00:14:16] manifesto, he talks about how they will win communism by winning the

[00:14:23] democracy battle because they will take it through the people first and then

[00:14:26] get Marx said that, Lenin said it in 1916 and Mal said it in 1938,

[00:14:35] In their writings, they specifically said democracy will bring us to

[00:14:40] communism.

[00:14:42] So that's one of the reasons I am so shagrant that every time we have a

[00:14:46] state of the union address, art idiot presidents talk about, I get tired

[00:14:52] of stroke talent, how many times they talk about the democracy.

[00:14:54] So the fact of the matter is it is a Republican, as per sample,

[00:14:59] it's out of not a anything to do with a party.

[00:15:01] It is a government where trusted representatives that were elected by

[00:15:06] the people may claw within the limits and bounds of their constitution.

[00:15:11] Democracy on the other hand is direct legislative action by the people.

[00:15:16] Okay, now this amendment proposed amendment D in the Utah election this

[00:15:22] time.

[00:15:23] The people that are forward to say, no, I'm not going to say this.

[00:15:27] We're going to turn into California if we continue to let the people

[00:15:30] make law.

[00:15:31] California has a similar clause in their constitution, or like our article

[00:15:36] six in Utah that says the people of the state of the Utah can create

[00:15:40] law directly and they have a clause.

[00:15:42] So that's the point to say that people shouldn't make law directly, isn't the

[00:15:47] discussion but that should be the discussion.

[00:15:49] The discussion should the people make laws directly in the

[00:15:52] answer is no, therefore allowing them to do so in California and

[00:15:56] or in the Utah state constitution is the wrong committed here.

[00:16:00] Then the problem is that courts can involve an add insult injury.

[00:16:04] What they're trying to do now though is they're not trying to say a

[00:16:07] ballast that right.

[00:16:09] In other words, don't let the people make law directly.

[00:16:11] They're not doing that.

[00:16:12] What they're trying to do is create more confusion.

[00:16:15] So in my opinion, what this does is create more confusion if you say yes to

[00:16:21] D. You're saying, yeah, the legislature can now amend or change what the

[00:16:25] people do. So now you got the people that create a law that shouldn't do it

[00:16:28] in the first place. Now you're just in a battle. Hey, wait a minute, we put

[00:16:35] that law in place. How do the legislature overwrite us? Who they work for?

[00:16:39] And but we're all off on the wrong discussion.

[00:16:42] The making of laws by the people directly is the problem.

[00:16:46] That's not being taken away.

[00:16:49] The granting of that was the problem in the first place.

[00:16:52] But it's not being taken away as the solution.

[00:16:56] They're just adding insult injury and complicated in the issue.

[00:16:59] Pretty soon we wouldn't be debating the constitution.

[00:17:01] We'll be debating who works for who, who has what right, who has what authority.

[00:17:06] And eventually the courts are going to decide this in a mess.

[00:17:08] The courts have already added insult injury on this thing.

[00:17:11] And that's part of the problem.

[00:17:13] But why are we if the problem was granting direct ability to create law by the people?

[00:17:18] And that's what created this whole crisis.

[00:17:21] Then why don't we get rid of that, doctor?

[00:17:24] That's why proposal is to remove that.

[00:17:27] That little subsection two.

[00:17:29] Well, this subsection one B, but then it's subsection two.

[00:17:34] The out of the Utah Constitution.

[00:17:37] Now, California has a big problem.

[00:17:39] They do citizens and nation-evs and citizens put all sorts of whacked out fruit nuts kind of laws into place in California.

[00:17:46] Utah does not want that or shouldn't want that.

[00:17:50] But here's what happens.

[00:17:51] They're using a false logic with this.

[00:17:55] There's a non-anormal rule.

[00:17:57] No, we either legislator if a citizen initiative comes out,

[00:18:01] we reserve the right, and we're going to give them this right by this proposed amendment D.

[00:18:06] We reserve the right to go back and modify any citizen initiative that is passed as law in the state of Utah.

[00:18:15] We are the professionals.

[00:18:16] We know better than I could argue that all day long with you about how they are not professional.

[00:18:22] Most often we are absolutely,

[00:18:24] we should agree on to what comes out of the legislature.

[00:18:27] Whether it's a division of land management that creates another socialist program or whether it seizes water or whether,

[00:18:37] as well as I'll just give an example about 25 years ago there was a system that initiative in Utah.

[00:18:43] And people were absolutely live about civil asset for future when you talk about length with that's about.

[00:18:49] And they should be living about that.

[00:18:51] Every time what you have is a right issue and a right concern but the wrong remedy doctor.

[00:18:57] Well, and what happened though, the civil asset for sure.

[00:19:01] It's a process law enforcement takes asset from people who are suspected and faces unsuspected of involving in some crime or illegal activity.

[00:19:10] And they don't have to even charge the owners with wrongdoing.

[00:19:15] They seize the property, they ultimately sell it and the seizing agency gets a percentage of the profit.

[00:19:21] It's absolutely wrong.

[00:19:22] It's sure if I'm not in ham stuff.

[00:19:24] Well, the people were really upset about that about 25 years ago.

[00:19:27] That was disgusting.

[00:19:27] It's absolutely so right.

[00:19:30] It should not be there.

[00:19:31] It's a violation of property rights and due process and everything else like that.

[00:19:37] Okay, so the people at a Citizens Initiative.

[00:19:42] They overwhelmingly says you can't do that, you guys.

[00:19:45] This is wrong.

[00:19:47] And as soon as it passed in November, our attorney general was named as Mark Schultley for Republican.

[00:19:54] I don't know when Utah has not had a controversial Republican attorney general, but that's another story.

[00:20:00] So anyway, Mark Schultley, immediately put together a proposed law.

[00:20:05] He took it to the legislature who was going into their, they go into session in January.

[00:20:11] And proposed that it'd be done away with.

[00:20:14] And the people were really chapped, okay.

[00:20:16] They've waited 25 years approximately now and now they're coming back and say, well,

[00:20:22] he did something that actually could have gone ahead and it is heading a bind.

[00:20:28] We're going to say it's okay for them to do this in the future.

[00:20:31] Okay, so now the people are saying,

[00:20:33] okay, well that makes sense. They're professionals they know, but as professionals I would say,

[00:20:40] I mean, I could we could talk about how they delegated the legislative authority in the spring of 2020 to the,

[00:20:46] to the governor, we could talk about how they, they constantly are tweaking.

[00:20:55] Well, I look at the Constitution, I read it and I say, what the heck?

[00:20:58] One of our, one of our senators in this state legislature in a public meeting, one time said,

[00:21:04] there's no private property protected in the Utah Constitution.

[00:21:08] He'd been a senator for at least 20 years.

[00:21:10] He'd probably never never read article one section one that says, we have a right to private property.

[00:21:15] I mean, these kinds of things, these guys do all the time.

[00:21:20] And so they, they just blow it. Oh, I'll give you one other example.

[00:21:24] Stupidity, two years ago, approximately.

[00:21:28] The Utah legislature passed unanimously.

[00:21:30] There was not one dissenting vote to allow non-US citizens to be police officers in Utah.

[00:21:40] Insanity. And they passed it.

[00:21:42] Let me get this right.

[00:21:44] An illegal could literally be the law.

[00:21:49] Well, it doesn't specifically say illegal.

[00:21:52] This is a non-US citizen.

[00:21:54] I know, so it could be illegal. May not be.

[00:21:58] But that's the problem is these people pass laws that are no good either.

[00:22:03] Okay, so what they're saying though with this initiative is the people of the state of Utah

[00:22:08] can pass their initiatives that they want, but the legislature reserves the right to change them.

[00:22:14] My position is let's remove the democracy angle from the, the Utah Constitution.

[00:22:22] But let me just, I know we've got to take a break for the bottom of the hour in just a minute here.

[00:22:28] But on May 31, 1787, at the beginning of the Constitution of France, and Edmund Randolph,

[00:22:34] the delegate for Virginia, told us fellow delegates that the purpose of the convention, this is a quote,

[00:22:41] was to provide a cure for the evils under which the United States labored,

[00:22:47] that in tracing these evils to their origin, every man had found in the turbulence and follies of democracy.

[00:22:55] That was the stated purpose from the, the debt goal in the Constitution convention.

[00:23:02] And then Marx comes along half a century later, says, oh no, we're going to win that ban that democracy

[00:23:08] to bring to communism. And then Lenin comes along, and then Mal comes along,

[00:23:12] and then President Bush comes along. I don't care, pick any president, which will, will some, you know,

[00:23:18] make the world safer to democracy.

[00:23:20] Roosevelt, New Deal, we go on and on.

[00:23:22] Yes, we do, but here at Utah, had its Constitution written in the beginning by a bunch of people that,

[00:23:31] excuse me, it does some degree or another, been steeped in Marx's philosophy,

[00:23:37] and they incorporated it into, and I mean, this is kind of woven at different places.

[00:23:43] You know, the communist manifesto, a point, a 10 of the 10 points, the communist manifesto,

[00:23:49] is his public education aspect. They put that in the Utah Constitution.

[00:23:54] This is all Marx's Maloney, and they're just nibbling around the edges to fix a problem that

[00:23:59] could be fixed very simply by chopping their right out on the beginning.

[00:24:03] So if you can't tell, we clearly say no. No absolutely not on amendment D in the Utah

[00:24:13] state constitution, don't amend it. And the reason why are very simple, what is the problem?

[00:24:19] The problem is we gave the people legislative power directly, which we should not have done.

[00:24:25] So what's the answer to get rid of that? All legislative authorities should be in the legislative body.

[00:24:31] What we've done now, though, is we've granted that and now we're trying to basically play games about saying,

[00:24:37] oh, well, this is bad. How do we solve it? And now we're giving more power to the politicians that we say yes on D.

[00:24:43] It's disaster. We'll talk about it more in seconds on your radio.

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[00:30:13] Broadcasting Live from the top of Rocky Mountains,

[00:30:16] The crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Round Table Radio Talk Show.

[00:30:25] This break ladies and gentlemen is a good reminder.

[00:30:29] We need to take a break from the political emotional reality of these discussions and step back for a minute.

[00:30:37] And look at the truth. Welcome to the broadcast. This is September 23rd in the year of our Lord, 2024.

[00:30:46] The goal to promote God, family and country and to protect life, liberty and property and the do so using the Supreme Law of the Land,

[00:30:52] the Constitution for the United States of America.

[00:30:54] That set the standard of all legislative authority should be in the legislative body.

[00:30:59] The legislative branch of government with all of its checks and balances and everything else.

[00:31:03] We, the people want to make change, put pressure on your legislative servants.

[00:31:09] They don't do it without them out and find somebody who else will.

[00:31:11] They do it wrong, penalize them, find somebody who will reign that in.

[00:31:16] But it's all by checks and balances and all by delegated authority.

[00:31:20] That's the difference to the constitutional republican and democracy.

[00:31:23] Is direct action without the checks and balances,

[00:31:27] designed to protect us from our own best intentions.

[00:31:30] All right. So we're talking about this initiative D in Utah or this amendment D.

[00:31:36] Utah amendment D would change the Utah State Constitution to explicitly say the legislature has power to amend laws that

[00:31:46] start as citizens initiatives or efferendums, etc.

[00:31:50] Well, the problem is letting the people vote directly and make law.

[00:31:54] So now what the trend that is that China said, well, yes, people can still vote directly.

[00:31:58] But let's rain them in by giving God like authority to the legislative body above and beyond that, which the citizens can do.

[00:32:04] So the citizens is way in and push something through by democracy and then let the legislative body tweak it to their liking.

[00:32:11] Now you've got insult to injury if we have created a problem by saying not all legislative authorities in the legislative body just most of it.

[00:32:22] Some of it's directly to the people.

[00:32:24] That's the problem.

[00:32:27] We need to return to all.

[00:32:30] So all we're going to do is say, hey, you know what?

[00:32:32] We're emitting the Utah State Constitution to say, all legislative power and authority resides with those legislative house and senate representatives who are elected.

[00:32:42] And would be fine.

[00:32:43] But that's not what they're doing.

[00:32:45] The fly is in the movement because now you set up a battle between the people and their legislative body in a very negative way.

[00:32:51] The legislative bodies can say we've got more power.

[00:32:54] You know what the final say is with us?

[00:32:57] Well, in the beginning, if you've got a problem, you should go to your legislative body and say listen, we've got a problem with this the way it is.

[00:33:05] Let's use the checks and balances that need.

[00:33:08] Delegated authority is solvent.

[00:33:10] But what they've created is a constitutional crisis over this, Dr. Bradley and I submit to you that if they say yes on this,

[00:33:17] then you will have just this dueling battle between the legislative body and the people directly.

[00:33:24] You'll create more hatred and more dishonesty, more mistrust and eventually it'll just be forced into the courts to decide everything.

[00:33:31] What we need to do is say it was wrong in the beginning to take away that all legislative authority resides in the legislative body at the general level and the state level.

[00:33:41] Taking that away is the problem.

[00:33:43] They've got the wrong remedy sir.

[00:33:45] It's kind of like you say man, I've got skin cancer and I'm like well you know what if you drink soda pop it tastes good.

[00:33:53] It really does. It tastes good. You know in your field better because it tastes good.

[00:33:57] It's not a related discussion. What they're doing is taking this out of the realm of the real problem.

[00:34:02] Why not fix the problem? Well, they're not even fixing the problem and someone would say well yeah they are Sam they're going to be more power back to the legislative body.

[00:34:09] And my response is only in an argumentative battle kind of way because not all power just a ability to fight power.

[00:34:20] I mean hey we can fight this battle with you. It's battle by battle now and there's confusion so into the system in that confusion are the seeds of eventual destruction.

[00:34:33] Dr Bradley, am I off target on this?

[00:34:35] No I don't believe so. I think that really I'm sure they have come up with a solution to a problem that's actually organic to the Constitution.

[00:34:47] And yeah we don't want to become a California land of fruit nuts where everybody can create law they want.

[00:34:52] But the fact the matter is the Republican former government, Article 4 section 4 is being violated by Utah's Constitution because of the

[00:35:04] Republican. Again they put poison pills in the Utah Constitution when they were writing it and it really goes far over along with you know Marx's position of winning the battle for democracy.

[00:35:18] Lenin talks of a hearsay quotation from Lenin. Socialism cannot be victorious unless the introduces complete democracy.

[00:35:27] So the proletariat will be unable to prepare for victory over the Boise law unless it wages a many sided consistent and revolutionary struggle for democracy.

[00:35:38] So here we have I mean I mean we could go through Mao's statements as some of these are longer but they're just a little part of one of Mao's statements.

[00:35:47] The democratic revolution is the necessary preparation for the socialist revolution and the socialist revolution is the inevitable sequel to the democratic revolution.

[00:35:57] The ultimate aim for all communist drive to bring about a socialist, communist society. So they're using this as a stepping song.

[00:36:08] And then on the other hand you have you know Americans found me father saying well here's John Adams he wrote remember democracy never last long it soon wastes exhaust and murders itself.

[00:36:19] There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

[00:36:26] That's why they call democracy demon crazy because eventually it just goes demon crazy and eats itself alive.

[00:36:33] See if the problem is we've given the people the ability to do things that they shouldn't do legislatively.

[00:36:38] Then why do we want to then give the override to the legislative body why not just take away the power from the people directly in the first place as it was intended by our founders why not go back to the way it worked.

[00:36:49] Is the real question right?

[00:36:51] That's the problem we muddy the water every time we think around with some of these fundamental principles and again I do not have a cell I say a.

[00:37:07] But we do have checks and balances there and they need we the people need to elect people to the legislature that keep the taken oath of office to keep their actions within the limits and bounds of the constitution.

[00:37:20] They can't seize your water rights for example in Utah just because they decide.

[00:37:25] Golly there's a drought going on now the governor becomes the soul of judicator this is what they're trying to do of how water will be used in this state of Utah.

[00:37:36] I mean these are just little little side trips we're taking to say the legislature is brought to learn their limits about they protect private property.

[00:37:44] They do things that are limited to the specific things that they've taken an oath to and they can't just take a blank check and do this.

[00:37:55] See in the very beginning the legislative body should have jealous legard of the all.

[00:38:00] Clause and said hey we're not going to let the people vote directly that's not the way it was intended by our founders now what they want to do is they want to get more power so every time what what when we violate these checks and balances what we do is.

[00:38:11] We create less responsibility and grant more power in manipulated ways that betray our real intent.

[00:38:21] And then we place it on the altar of don't you think we need to give the ladies they to you know people more power they're the ones that should have all the power given them or not a problem is it's.

[00:38:29] And my response is yes when you have nuanced power then it becomes even greater power than they originally had because now they can override something without.

[00:38:40] Half in the vote on it publicly and answer directly to the people because they're the ones in charge see it changes the dynamic of who's in charge how.

[00:38:48] And it changes the dynamic of who makes decisions when it just take for example my money if you say Sam a dollars in your pocket it's your dollar you could choose what you want to do with it.

[00:39:00] And they say Sam but you're taxes like you've a dime to the government then the time the government says Sam I'm going to give you five cents back I'm going to charge five percent tax the other five I want to give back to you in a tax break a tax and say over this and that.

[00:39:13] Well now you've given them control over that five cents.

[00:39:17] Really the whole ten cents but five cents and they can give back to me with strings attached why not not take it from me in the first place.

[00:39:25] And they're doing the same thing here with power it sounds good on the surface if you don't really understand it but it's nuanced and it's controlled it's manipulated it shifts the balance of power away from the checks and balances and away from the normal tried and true process the founders.

[00:39:41] Documented through.

[00:39:44] Generations of historical reality and that's the problem here is it good to say the latest state of people you know body should have that authority yes.

[00:39:53] But not after the citizens put some hair brain thing in place by democracy and then give the elitist more power because then once an initiative passes then the latest state of body tweaks it it'll be impossible for the people to do anything with that tweak.

[00:40:08] Okay in the beginning we should say okay wait a minute if there's a law that should be passed let's take it to our legislative body first.

[00:40:15] Now we have our servants crafting this you know legislation under the direction of either people through our delegated authority okay it's a much.

[00:40:24] More appropriate process where they answer to us in this case they won't answer to us they will have the override above and beyond us skip the break Dr Bradley you understand that it's the way they're setting it up of who has control when that becomes the crisis.

[00:40:41] Let's go back to that civil asset for a feature example I used for the people spoke very clearly.

[00:40:47] We do not believe it is appropriate to give season agencies power to see something whether it's really even not a charge of wrongdoing brought against the person they end up selling that asset and keeping the proceeds okay.

[00:41:03] That was the will of the people but the legislature and constitution by the way when they did it 25 years ago they tweaked that and took it back and said don't we're going to continue to live that for future.

[00:41:15] It's been wrong when they took it back and tweaked it was wrong when they allowed it happen in the first place.

[00:41:20] But here's what Hamilton said again this is a democracy republic thing every aspect of our nation was founded on republican formal government again not a party.

[00:41:33] So here's what Hamilton said it has been observed by an honorable gentleman that a pure democracy if it were practical would be the most perfect government experience has proved that no position in politics is more false than this.

[00:41:49] The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberately never possessed one feature of good government their very character was tyranny their figure deformity okay.

[00:42:02] So this stuff they got put into the Utah constitution right from the get go by the Ivy League boys whoever helped write it.

[00:42:12] As has been a deformity in the Utah constitution by what words proposing to do now the people in favor of this are spinning it and their whole spin is oh we don't want to become California no we don't but the whole way that California got the way they are now is in at least in part.

[00:42:32] We can attribute back to this democracy aspect where the people legislate directly the people.

[00:42:41] As Hamilton said themselves deliberate the people decide and then it becomes a crappy law and what happens is are people that we have an legislature should be trusted enough they should be knowledgeable enough to be able to create law that does not impose.

[00:42:58] The false parameters on people that destroy their liberty like taking away a water rights or our land rights or you know anything else that happens that the legislature now creating law that says non citizens can be.

[00:43:14] Please officers I mean if there's idiocy going on delegating authority during a pandemic that kind of a.

[00:43:23] Covid con this is now the governor can legislate no no no no by the you by the way that you talk constitution specifically says even in emergency.

[00:43:34] The nobody can assume the responsibilities of other branches of government so the governor cannot even in emergency.

[00:43:43] Declarer that he is the legislative body in the legislature can't delegate that to him so we have ignorant people creating laws and you say well who's more ignorant than the then they masses in the in the population well I don't know we could argue that for a while.

[00:43:58] But I think sometimes we put our most ignorant people into the legislature so anyway the idea is we the people need to say.

[00:44:08] We still act individuals that we trust that understand their limits and bounds to create law within those limits and balance and we'll be bound by those.

[00:44:17] That's what the whole process of republicanism is.

[00:44:21] And if we don't like what they've done we will talk to them about it and they'll be accountable to us and if they don't do our bidding do our will we can replace them with those who will see all these checks balances are key it reminds me of a lot.

[00:44:33] of how now we've changed the game we used to have in Utah this process called the caucus systems which would that candidates make decisions.

[00:44:41] We have used the same principle now to say oh well wait a minute why don't we let people get citizen signatures and if they get enough citizens signatures then they can be on the ballot anyway forget that they've got voted down by the delight the elected delegates.

[00:44:54] Let's okay we're seeing the same problem in this reality the different context but the problem is identical is it not doctor.

[00:45:03] Well very much yes the legislature has created bigger problems by the way that what was it Senate bill 54 or something like that when they did this caucus thing.

[00:45:13] Here's here's what Madison said and federal is 51 sorry guys we always go back to the base line.

[00:45:20] He said but the great security against a gradual concentration of the several powers in the same department consists in giving to those who administer each department the necessary.

[00:45:31] Constitutional means and personal borders to resist encroachment of the others the provision for defense must in this as in all the cases be made commensurate with risk of attack ambition must be made to counteract ambition.

[00:45:44] The interest of the man must be connected to the constitutional rights of the place case of the legislature that's the end of the quote.

[00:45:52] Legislators got to say no the executive is an adversarial position to us I mean they've got to be that hard it is a it is where they push back.

[00:46:02] Because he said also in federal's 47 the accumulation of all powers legislative executive and judiciary in the same hands whether of one a few or many and whether here at a reddit Terry self appointed or elective made just to be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

[00:46:19] So in in the spring of 2020 during the COVID con the legislature was completely out of bounds.

[00:46:28] Constitutionally as well as the philosophy behind constitutions the utilologist the utilologist teacher cannot delegate to the governor the right to create law and they should have said over our dead bodies we will know.

[00:46:42] They can't delegate that the people either which they did that's causing this whole problem.

[00:46:47] Correct and the problem whether they're saying oh we got to solve this California problem.

[00:46:52] The whole problem is that the the basis of creating the law through a citizen initiative is incorrect.

[00:46:58] It is democracy it's a step in the way of communism California's well down that path.

[00:47:04] They've been doing this for a lot of years new tosh should say well we're just removing that clause out of the out of article six of the Utah Constitution.

[00:47:13] And the legislature will make the law and only the legislature the governor can never do that I mean you cannot.

[00:47:20] And if the governor hold on and if the governor tries he should be impeached.

[00:47:24] I wrote some impeachment resolutions back during that COVID con couldn't get a legislature to think about it.

[00:47:33] Because they were worried holy cows how are we going to get anybody to vote for our future legislation if we make this all kind of adversarial position no they've got to have push back.

[00:47:46] There is no other way that we're going to keep this it is a kind of a adversarial position they'd like the executive and the legislature shouldn't be best of buddies.

[00:47:58] They could be cordial with each other and everything else like that but to just be a yes house for whatever the governor says we're going to lose our liberty and for the governor being that week needed will be nearly two is bad everybody's got to stand for the principles that they're.

[00:48:15] The actual department is delegated but they're not it's a good old boys club nowadays unfortunately so.

[00:48:24] I I guess I feel pretty strongly about this and I think there's a lot of people that I consider very close friends that have picked up the California idea say no we obviously we don't want to be a California.

[00:48:37] No we don't. Well we don't but you became a California by the democracy aspect the Marx and Lenin and now we're in favor of a withdraw Wilson and George Bush and you name every all of the people now they were making the world safer democracy.

[00:48:54] But that's just a stepping stone to communism.

[00:48:57] So we are facilitating that in the state of Utah constitutionally which is a man so let's be very clear.

[00:49:05] Vote no on Utah amendment D now there's a list of people that are all pushing for this thing and sadly it's all of our friends.

[00:49:15] Dr Bradley and I'm not here to pick friends or be against friends or cause arguments with anybody I'm here to hold up the principle as the standard but look you tell you go for them I mean go down the list real quick this is important.

[00:49:28] I mean everybody's for this but I believe they're they're accepting a false premise in their solution they've got the right concern wrong remedy right.

[00:49:37] To.

[00:49:40] I mean honestly to go through list I have to go bring it up if you want me to I think next hour we should bring it up and talk about it because again there's don't they have the right concern wrong remedy think about that phrase you have the right concerns you guys you're right on the concern on the problem.

[00:49:55] You're just wrong on the remedy.

[00:49:59] Yeah you're barking up the wrong tree kids I mean if you're if you're hunt mountain lions and you're barking up a tree this got you know Ravens in it you're not doing your job and we're not hunt mountain lions right in this particular.

[00:50:11] This particular situation so.

[00:50:15] I don't know my friend I mean I'm really again I you know I feel for we have a lot of really really good friends and they've signed a big petition people I love like family.

[00:50:26] You know I mean it's.

[00:50:28] You know you know I mean it's cool choices that another example you know hey don't you think that we should have a choice to decide where our kids go to school it's a great idea at first glance.

[00:50:36] Wow yeah of course we should choose but the problem is when you put that money and by the feds or the general government the state whatever you want to say pretty soon hey.

[00:50:44] You're advocating for the wrong things in school choice because now you're saying well as long as you give them money you shouldn't be able to control what I choose and then they control what you choose and well too bad you took money and so.

[00:50:55] I believe in real school choice but school choice of government funding and all the choices are all the outcomes isn't choice it leaves the government at the center of it to manipulate it.

[00:51:05] Okay to create winners and losers if you really want choice why don't you give me the choice to completely get out of the system 100% not taking any of my tax dollars or involve government in my schooling and education at all see and that's not a choice.

[00:51:17] So it's it's a fault choice when you don't have the choice to completely get us and nothing. To me it's a similar reality right.

[00:51:26] Well the Utah Constitution again we mentioned this earlier it had several poison pills in it one of which was a public education statement and the fact of the matter is that the people tweet that and they do things like oh I'm going to give you school choice we'll actually give you money to educate your kid.

[00:51:44] I wouldn't take your money on a bat. I wouldn't take your money on a bat because then we had to say when I was a kid and I don't remember the exact origins of it but you'll get the drift of it.

[00:51:55] Except their nickel you accept their news or idea was you take their money you'll land to put a news around your neck and leave your wherever they want to wherever they want to go.

[00:52:04] And so I just we keep tweaking what was an original problem take the blasted public education.

[00:52:12] And at the end point of the communist manifesto out of the Utah Constitution now I got to tell you that pre-scaf that fault Sri Ligin which is really what it is it's a faith based belief system without a god that is publicly supported out of tax payer dollars that's a religious that's a religion that as is giving specific benefit of sort of force gathered money to support its position.

[00:52:43] And that's exactly what we're doing and it's so embedded we have hundreds of billions of dollars in even the state of Utah that are committed to that.

[00:52:53] I think our community recently voted for a hundred and thirty million dollar additional bond for the education system in our county in our county.

[00:53:05] So I just we sometimes we have problems that are organic to what happened to us a hundred and twenty five hundred and thirty five years ago.

[00:53:17] And we just need to solve that problem by exizing it if you got cancer cut it out baby or find another solution if you've got a natural solution that solves cancer don't make me don't you know.

[00:53:33] And the political systems are the approach to things but find a way to remove the cancer not just continue to.

[00:53:42] Molly called the cancer in some way that's ultimately going to prove fatal anyway and then that's kind of where we are on a lot of these things.

[00:53:50] This is a clear matter of a rightful concern.

[00:53:55] With a wrong full remedy folks we get the concern.

[00:54:01] We don't disagree with the concern we disagree with the remedy what they're trying to do about the problem.

[00:54:07] They've created the problem in the first place and I don't let them add insult to injury go back and say right fine if the problem is the people get to vote in law.

[00:54:15] And that's being abused and misused.

[00:54:19] Well it's because you disabled one of the checks and malaches so section D or you know amendment D should just simply say this we return to all power.

[00:54:28] To create or make law is in the legislative body in the great state of Utah end a discussion how come they're not letting me write the amendment huh.

[00:54:36] Because they have an agenda and everybody's being duped by that agenda thinking they're standing for right.

[00:54:43] That's the right concern but it's a wrong for remedy God save us all.