Radio Show Hour 1 – 04/15/2025

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[00:01:08] Please join cspoa.org and become a member of the posse today, would you please? All right, Sheriff Mack, welcome back, sir. Well, thank you very much, Sam. It's great to be back with you this beautiful Tuesday morning. Is it going to get hotter than I'll get out in Arizona? We're actually headed for a cool spell. Oh, yeah. You got to like that. It's been $199 for a few days, and now... Not $199. It's been $100 or $99, right? Correct.

[00:02:06] Uh-huh. Yeah. I'll call her in 2017. Newser.com with the piece. Here's the deal. She first went to court, made this claim. The judge, they say, made a misstep. They say that's what's led to the second go-round that kicked off this week. Now, I don't understand how a judge makes a misstep. We'll talk about that for a second.

[00:02:28] But they say Palin, a former Republican and vice presidential candidate, made claims that the newspaper defamed her in 2017 in an editorial. The editorial, Redrick included basically citing her as that she was threatening people, that she was, you know... They admitted that the error... They said that it was an error, but it wasn't intentional.

[00:02:59] There was no evidence to back their claims. It was an honest mistake that was corrected, in other words. The problem is that when the first go-round happened in this case, this is very interesting.

[00:03:14] I guess, and I don't really understand how the judge can do this, but they say the judge went ahead and dismissed it while the jury was deliberating. Yeah, they dismissed Palin's claims, but did not inform the jury. I don't really understand this exactly. How do you do that? But anyway, that's what happened, and so they got...

[00:03:43] I don't know if you'd call it a mistrial. I'm not sure of the right language for this, Sheriff, because it's just weird. You know, when the judge says, hey, we're going to dismiss this thing, just throw it out. But the jury's still adjudicating or still looking at this thing. Anyway, they had to start over. So now this is the second round. Here's the problem. This all happened back in 2017, Sheriff. This is literally like eight years ago, and now Sarah's in the second round. I don't even know what's happening here.

[00:04:12] Well, I don't think the judge knows what's happening either, and that's really... I've never heard anything like that. Judges across the country don't understand that the jury is the final say. They're supposed to be just the referee. They're supposed to be arbitrating and making sure that the jury knows and understands both sides,

[00:04:40] and that they understand the law, especially the supreme law of the land. And then they let the jury make the decision. But for a judge to dismiss a case while the jury's in deliberation, that makes no sense whatsoever.

[00:04:57] If he had any inclination that there was a problem with the jury, then he talks to the jury, clears the courtroom, and talks to the jury. But otherwise, the jury is in charge of the case, not the judge. That used to be the truth, my friend, but now judges just run over it. Here's what the judge said. The guy's name is Jed Rakoff.

[00:05:26] Jed S. Rakoff is this judge. Basically, he dismissed the claims. He did not inform jurors. Here's what he said. He said he would let them keep deliberating and then set aside their verdict once it was reached. On what grounds? I don't know. Yeah, he has to have some sort of reasoning behind that.

[00:05:51] For instance, what if the jury were trying to talk to the press after the day's trial? Or they were saying, oh, yes, I'm already making a book deal about this. The judge would have to have something like that, that they were discussing the case together with their families or with the press or with a book deal. Or he has to have some sort of reason.

[00:06:22] And the judges are just so out of touch with the law. Well, so how come this judge isn't impeached over this or in jail? I mean, can you just literally say, I'm going to let the jury keep deliberating? But you know what? I've already derailed the case. When they come back, I'll just dismiss whatever they come back with. The jury should be filing some sort of complaint against him. And there is some oversight. It's eight years later, buddy. It's way, it's, you know. Yeah, I know.

[00:06:52] So, oh, gosh. But I don't think it was eight years ago that he did this. It was eight years ago that she started the fight. Yeah, and I don't know exactly when what cases got dismissed. Again, you'd have to dig into every nuance of this thing because I guess that happened and then they tried it again. And then the judge ruled against her and then it got opened up again because of all the fraud. Look, they've been at this for eight years. And I mean, there's too many twists and turns for me to really dig in and get all the nuances. I just don't understand how this can happen.

[00:07:22] You literally sue the New York Times for libel. And then the judge literally derails the whole case with no consequences. Yeah, and Sarah Palin and her lawyer should know darn well how to file a complaint against the judge. And so, yeah, you know, judges can make legitimate, honest mistakes. But this doesn't sound like that at all.

[00:07:50] He has to have some sort of legal reason to just throw a case out. And I'll bet you $5 to a donut that he is very Democrat. And, of course, Sarah Palin has been a thorn in the side. Yeah, he basically just said she failed to make a credible case. Okay, then. Therefore, don't undermine the jury. That's for the jury to decide. No, no, no, no. I just decided that. I'm throwing out the jury. Yeah, okay, yeah.

[00:08:20] Here's the point that I'm getting at. When we get to that level, everything you say is correct, Sheriff. But when we get to that level, you've just got rogue thugs running around that are above the law, that think they're the law when they're not. And until we create accountability and impeach these people and prosecute them, we've got a precedent that's no wonder lawfare is such a problem, right? Right.

[00:08:42] Yeah, that's astonishing that he could be so brazen and conspicuous about his corruption. I just don't like it. Why? I don't have to tell you. I just don't like it. So, look, she was either libeled and slandered or she wasn't. And that's for a jury to decide. Period. You know, let them decide. Let them do their job.

[00:09:12] If they're already in there doing their job, what's the reason that you're stopping them? Oh, she just doesn't have a case. Well, that's what they give them another hour and they might figure that out that that they didn't have a case. That's what there's. That's the reason you go to court is for the jury to to determine that. Good grief. These judges. The other thing I don't understand is I guess this thing's going to be happening in Manhattan. Yeah.

[00:09:42] Why would you judge Sarah Palin in Manhattan? Well, that's where the New York Times is. Yeah. But why do they get their venue and stuff? Yeah. I mean, yeah, you could, you know, I would come back and say there's no way that Sarah Palin can have a jury of her peers in Manhattan. In Manhattan. Yeah. And what's the likelihood that anybody on the jury would agree with Sarah Palin or even be, you know, fair to her in Manhattan?

[00:10:12] Right. And she's a big time Trump fan. And they've already been going after Trump in Manhattan or New York City. So over other things. So, yeah, I think it's wonderful that Trump gets to shove it in their face now. But, you know, Sarah Palin is probably never going to run for office again. So she's never going to have that opportunity. But, man, eight years. All right. When we get back, I want to know what do you think is going to happen in this case, Sheriff?

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[00:13:05] So what's going to happen to this case, do you think? The judges tried to tamper with it. No consequences for their tampering. Now it's in Manhattan. I just don't see how she's going to get a fair trial there at all. And so Sarah Palin is probably just going to lose again, Sheriff. And I don't mean to be negative about this or discouraging. I just see the writing on the wall. It's like eight years later, and they've done everything they can to make sure that nothing accountable to the New York Times happens.

[00:13:33] There's no pushback on the criminalistic judge that's done this. I mean, anyway, I appreciate that there's a retrial here. But at the same time, I kind of feel like it's going to go nowhere. I don't have any confidence anymore, Sheriff. Well, yeah, because, you know, going from Tweedledee to Tweedledum, as far as judges go, you know, she can try to find another judge or still file in a different courtroom.

[00:14:00] But she really needs to come after the judge and challenge what legal authority he was using to dismiss this case. You know, if he was going to dismiss it, he should have stopped this a long time ago, saying this is the legal technicality that you have violated, that you don't have legal grounds to bring this lawsuit in the first place. That would have saved her a lot of time and money.

[00:14:30] Because this, as you well know, Sam, this is expensive. She probably doesn't just have one lawyer. And you know how expensive those guys are. So this is really unheard of that a judge could do this. If he's going to exercise his legal opinion, it should have been way before the jury was deliberating.

[00:14:52] And so she now has more of a lawsuit against him, you know, but it's very, very rare that you could sue a judge. But there are remedies, you know, but in New York, they're just going to rubber stamp any liberal ruling from a judge. And, you know, the judges are the problem. They're a huge part of the problem. I maintain that do-nothing sheriffs are still part of the problem.

[00:15:22] But this has been a problem in America for a long time because judges do rein the roost. You know, they're the ones in charge of the courtroom. And it's just really sad that they have that much power. They were never intended to have that much power.

[00:15:41] But when they can throw somebody in jail or hold somebody in contempt for the least infraction or just violating the judge's pride, it's a rough road to hoe. And it's really what has gotten in the way of the current administration.

[00:16:06] Trump having his idiot judges that say, oh, well, you know, they make no bones about it. They are political. They're political. And they go after him because of politics. I agree 100%. Do you think Sarah's going to win or lose? Well, I don't know all the background on what supposedly the New York Times said about her. I mean, the New York Times said about her. Well, here's what happened. She was talking about elections and stuff like that. And somehow the term crosshairs came up.

[00:16:35] And so she's like, yeah, we've got these different candidates and crosshairs to, you know, remove and put somebody else in their place. And they went, oh, my gosh, she's threatening to shoot people. Oh, well. Yeah, well, you know, look, they said worse about me. Oh, that's right. But see, you and I can't even get to the Lander's libel discussion because we don't even have the money to go to court. So there you go.

[00:17:02] And maybe that's why Trump has won libel cases because, you know, he has such backing financially. Yeah, money. You can change the game, buddy. Yeah. For you and I? Almost. But no cigar. Right? Yeah. All right. Anyway, that's enough on Sarah Palin. We'll keep an eye on that case. I just find it interesting that they're battling it out literally eight years later. And the judge literally dismissed Palin's claims, said it was a non-case, but I'm going to let the jury continue to deliberate.

[00:17:31] When they come back, I'm just going to jettison their verdict. I'd let them keep delivering and then just set aside their verdict when they're done. That's what I'm going to do, see? And interestingly enough, our good friend Hans Verlin Anderson, back in the 1980s, literally indicted the Federal Reserve. And the judge did the same thing. He just went, oh, run away, grand jury. Ignore them. Next. Next. So, anyway, that's interesting. All right. Next story that's interesting that concerns me big time.

[00:17:59] This battle has been running for way more than eight years in this case. Try 20 years. And the headline says this. Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, announced a fast approaching deadline for real ID compliance. Igniting controversy on X.

[00:18:23] She says, starting May 7th, you will need real ID to travel by air and to go into federal buildings in the United States. Starting May 7th, you will need real ID to fly. Real ID makes identification harder to forge. Frauding criminals and terrorists.

[00:18:47] If you plan to fly, make sure you get a, quote, real ID so you won't be denied from your flight or face travel delays, she says, on X. So, real ID is back. It's under Donald being backed and pushed by Kristi Noem now, 20 years later. We fought that back in the George Bush overreach days.

[00:19:10] Republicans are the ones that created real ID, Patriot Act, all these other things that are now being used blatantly against we the people. They claim we've got to have it to stop illegal aliens, though, Sheriff. Yeah, of course. I went and got mine, Sam. You don't have a choice. Well, yeah, I do, because you can use your passport instead of real ID. Yeah, but I got a question.

[00:19:39] We can debate the term real ID for a second. But if you have a Social Security card, a driver's license, and a passport, I mean, isn't all that really real ID? I mean, at some point, what is it? It's a government database that has you in it. Yeah, well, you know, that's been happening for decades. So what's the difference between your driver's license with some weird thing on it that makes you believe it's the new one, a real ID, versus, say, a passport, versus, you know, all this other things? The driver's license used to be a state issue. Now it's kind of a federal.

[00:20:10] Well, it's a state driver's license with a federal stamp on it. It is state issue, but they're complying with federal government on this. Yeah, so it's a state-issued driver's license. It's a state-issued driver's license with a badge that's like federal compliance badge, right? Right, yeah. But let me think on this.

[00:20:30] Is there a place in U.S. history in the jurisprudence of the United States Supreme Court where, I don't know, where it said something like state legislatures are not subject to federal direction? Let's see, what case was that, Sam? Let me think about that for a minute. Oh, it's probably that narrow case that doesn't really even make any difference. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, it's that one, yeah. Judges go, and that's how the mainstream goes. That's how the news goes.

[00:21:00] That's how they all go. They just basically manipulate, minimize, and change the game. But I can't believe this is being pushed by Kristi Noem, of all people, and Donald Trump. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why they think adhering to the Biden administration's real ID is so important. In fact, Sam, let's make this very clear.

[00:21:25] For the last year, you go through TSA security at the airport, right? And then the person, male or female, it's both, most of the time. And they tell you, make sure by next May you get your real ID. I said, what's the difference?

[00:21:51] Every time I ask them, what's the difference of the driver's license you're putting through your little machine of mine that goes through there, and then you tell me, oh, you're okay. What is the difference? And you know what, Sam? You know what answer I got? I don't know. They don't even know why they're asking you to do this because what difference does it make? They don't know. And I ask the guy.

[00:22:16] Well, so what's happened in this whole thing, it's been 20 years, and what they've done is they've pushed for real ID back in the George Bush over each days. The president should have been impeached and criminally charged for his violation of your Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights and everything else. But I digress. The reality is that real ID has been fought so hard by so many of us for so long, they've basically piecemeal, little teeny, teeny, teeny bit at a time, backed and advanced this thing over the last 20 years.

[00:22:44] And that's why when you say, well, what difference is this or that or whatever, nobody knows because it's so nuanced that it's been a 20-year running battle, and they've incrementally shoved this down our throats. Congress passed it in 2005, but we've successfully fought it until, well, it's here. Now, Trump could stop it. He could, I mean, if he's going to suspend the general government saying TikTok has to be sold. In other words, he can just pause that law. Then he can pause this law and say, no, no, no, hold on.

[00:23:14] But Christie and Donald are in on it together, as far as I can tell. Well, if Christie's pushing it, her boss is Donald J. Trump. Still, none of them have said what this is going to do for America. Well, I think in Thomas Massey's answer, and he's the biggest one pushing against it, where everybody else is, I don't know. It's interesting to me. Battles that used to be so important, so critical.

[00:23:44] No one's even really lifting a finger against now, it doesn't seem like. But Representative Thomas Massey is the critical guy pushing the opposition. He says, Real ID provides no benefit, yet presents a serious risk to freedom, Massey wrote.

[00:24:02] As long as the pilot door is locked and no one has weapons, why do you care that someone who flies has, quote, government permission? Real ID provides no benefit, yet presents a serious risk to freedom. And then he has the zinger. I'll give that to you when we get back. You're listening to the one and only Liberty Roundtable Live.

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[00:24:59] News this hour from townhall.com. I'm Rich Thomason. The Trump administration has no plans to try to return an illegal alien to Maryland. The man, allegedly a member of the violent MS-13 gang, was deported to El Salvador. Even though the administration admitted the man was deported in error and the Supreme Court told the U.S. to facilitate his release, the White House isn't budging.

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[00:30:12] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right, back with you live. Sam Bushman, Sheriff Richard Mack on your radio. So we're talking about this real ID thing. Starting May 7th, you'll need a real ID. What it really is is a state-issued driver's license with a federal government stamp

[00:30:42] suggesting that, hey, you've followed federal government guidelines. The federal government has no authority in this whatsoever, ladies and gentlemen. The Fourth and Fifth Amendment prevent government without probable cause from tracking you, putting in a database, et cetera, et cetera. But now Kristi Noem, Secretary of Homeland Security, is the one pushing it. And the one saying on X, you've got to have it. Thomas Massey is the only one, in my opinion, putting up a real fight against this. Where everybody else is, don't know. Now Trump's trying to get rid of Massey.

[00:31:12] I think Thomas is absolutely spot on. Thomas Massey, rep from Kentucky. He says this, real ID provides no benefit, yet presents a serious risk to freedom. As long as the pilot's door is locked and no one has a weapon, why does the government care? Why does someone have to have government permission to fly in the first place? I think it's a fair question. The only ones that can fly without, you know, like ID or whatever are illegals.

[00:31:43] But anyway, here's the deal. He then says this, which I think is the most poignant issue. He says this, if these people can't be trusted to fly without weapons, why are they free roaming around America then? It's a serious question. And to me, on one hand, you can say the real ID, you know, this helps with immigration and illegal whatever. Thomas is saying, I don't think so.

[00:32:10] Because remember, under the Joe Biden administration, all these illegals, they didn't even need ID to fly. They just had to, hey, roll in there. And as long as they're in the group of the illegals, they can fly all around the country for free. No ID required. But the rest of us, they're going to lock us down with real ID. 20 years later, they're winning this fight, Sheriff. Sheriff? Yes, Sam. I don't get it.

[00:32:37] What no one has ever said, not Christine Noem, nor anyone else has ever said, how this benefits anyone. Well, she's claiming that it stops the illegals from just doing all the things they're doing. And it's a great way to, you know, but I don't see it that way. Government, even sheriffs have been making sure that illegals get driver's licenses. If you want to stop that, then go ahead.

[00:33:03] But that also has to happen within the state, not the federal government. So I'm looking at my driver's license. It says driver license. It doesn't say driver's license, apostrophe S or whatever. It just says driver license. You go on the left, it says, it shows the little tiny ears on a flag, the Grand Canyon State. And then there's a watermark in the background. It shows cactus.

[00:33:32] And it looks like maybe a little bobcat. I don't know. It doesn't look too Arizona. The cat that it's showing in the watermark doesn't show that. But, you know, it doesn't make me think of Arizona when I look at that. And then my photograph, really small in the bottom right. And a larger photo of me on the left is normal. It's like every driver's license has.

[00:34:00] But there's a little cactus next to my head, next to my bust, my face. And then all the normal stuff. It shows that I'm a donor, an organ donor. It has a heart. And then it says donor. And then the only difference that I really see on any of this, as far as the other license, is that there's a star on it.

[00:34:24] A round black circle with a white star with five points on it in the top right corner. And then on the back, it says, you know, if you have to have drivers, if you have to have glasses, if you're supposed to wear that. And then it's kind of a monument valley looking watermark in the background again, promoting Arizona, I guess. So I'd be interested to see if it shows skiing in Utah or maybe the temple or something like that for the Utah driver's license.

[00:34:54] But it appears to be, on face value, it appears to be very innocuous and not too much different from the other driver's license. And so I don't get it. But Thomas Matthews is the risk. Well, so it's a government badge that's put on there now. In other words, that you follow government, federal government guidelines.

[00:35:14] But how long now that every state basically adds that federal government guideline badge until they start at the general or government level, then changing those guidelines? Pretty soon it'll be like, Sheriff Mack, you appeared on Liberty Roundtable Live. We don't think you should be flying around the country, buddy. You're kind of dangerous. Yeah, I'm surprised they haven't done that to you and me already, which they've never done it to me. But they did do it to the Bundys. And so they were stopped.

[00:35:43] And I remember Ammon even missed a flight because they were doing background checks on him and interviewing him for two hours. They let Cliven on the flight when they wanted to entrap him and throw him in jail. They let him get on the flight so they could trap him in the government terminals there, though. So, yeah. I mean, OK. But I'm looking at this driver's license and I'm going, OK, so why are you doing this? And, you know, so but there's there's more to it than this, Sam.

[00:36:11] How many years have you been using vehicles within your family? And how long has this been going on in America? And I have to register my car with the state? And every police officer in the country has a database right at his disposal within arm's reach in his police vehicle.

[00:36:38] And he can look at your driver's license permit on your car, registered to the state. And it shows everything about you. And it'll show if you have a concealed carry permit. It'll show your exact address, date of birth. And maybe a couple of other things.

[00:37:05] But it will show whether or not you have a concealed carry permit to the officer. And he can just randomly check that anytime he wants. So why is it that I have to register? What what government purpose does that serve? And the only thing is, Sam, is that they can check and see if you're wanted.

[00:37:28] They can check any anything about you that has ever crossed the path of a computer. And and so that only benefits law enforcement. It does not benefit the American citizen. And some citizens would say, well, I want cops to be able to check that on, you know, and check that. But because if they kidnap a kid or if they do something wrong, that driver's license is on your car.

[00:37:55] The driver's license of the car itself. Then they can they can find my child better or they can. This guy, he tried to pick somebody up and then somebody said all they have to do is get a driver's license to the officers and then go after you. I still maintain that only helps government and the police. It does not help me.

[00:38:21] But the real problem with those that violates the Constitution, it violates all of your protections. If the government can do it for your car, then they also basically charge you taxes every year on your supposed business items in your office. Right. And so they got taxes on that. And I guess at what point then do we have any rights at all? I mean, when you look at Christine Ome's case where the judge just said, I'm just going to flat out ignore the jury. And then you look at the January sixers that all went to jail.

[00:38:50] And then now Cash Patel puts this clown, Mr. Jensen, who really engineered the whole J6 thing against everybody. Now they put him in top position. He's now the Steven Jensen guy is, I guess, the head of the Washington office of the FBI now. So, I mean, I don't know what's happening here, but I'm losing faith in the Trump administration faster than you can imagine.

[00:39:42] Yeah. Apolish the FBI after all the things that they pulled against Trump. All the things they pulled against Trump. I thought that that's why Trump wanted Cash Patel in there. Now it's like, maybe we keep that guy around because he'll do anything he's told, you know, regarding Jensen. Well, it reminds me of the deep state criminal creed that I created. You know what that is, right? No. What are you going to do about it? Oh, yeah.

[00:40:11] Of course. So see, if you're Donald, if you're Kristi Noem, if you're any of these clowns, if you're Mr. Jensen, if you're, hey, man. So I created the January 6th thing. So it was a fraud. So I went against everybody and entrapped everybody and everything else. What are you going to do about it? I just got a promotion to the head of the FBI Washington office. It's a criminal creed. What are you going to do about it? Bill Clinton. Hey, what are you going to do about it, Sheriff? I mean, I've been hanging out with interns for decades. I've been running drugs in Arkansas and then I became president. I mean, everybody gets promoted when they're criminalistic. What are you going to do about it?

[00:40:42] That's a criminal creed. They don't care. All right. And Sheriff Mack with me, ladies and gentlemen. Hard-hitting talk straight ahead. You're listening to Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:41:24] We'll be right back. with PrepStartsNow.com. Former Sheriff Richard Mack recounts in his book The Proper Role of Law Enforcement, how he came to realize while working as a beat cop how wrong the all-too-common orientation of police officers is when they think of their job as being to write tickets and arrest people. Richard Mack tells of his personal transformation from by-the-number cop to constitution-conscious defender of citizen safety and freedoms. Learn what it really means to serve and protect.

[00:41:52] Purchase your copy at cspoa.org. That's cspoa.org. Why don't we say to the government, writ large, that they have to spend a little bit less? Anybody ever had less money this year than you had last? Anybody ever having a 1% pay cut? You deal with it. That's what government needs, a 1% pay cut. If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief.

[00:42:20] But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible. Who are they? Republicans. Who are they? Democrats. Who are they? Virtually the whole body is careless and reckless with your money. So the money will not be offset by cuts anywhere. The money will be added to the debt, and there will be a day of reckoning. What's the day of reckoning? The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market. The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar.

[00:42:47] When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency. Back with you live, Sam Bushman, Sheriff Richard Mack on your radio. So I look at these stories, and I mean, the only thing you can start to say now is the Trump administration has hit a roadblock. They're bogged down in the deep state mire.

[00:43:17] And I don't mean to be against Trump. I guess you can say, well, it's better than Harris would have been. Well, it's better than Joe Biden would have been. And I got to agree. At the same time, I just go, what the heck? We're literally sitting in a situation where, hey, they're promoting the Real ID Act. Judges are literally just setting aside juries. And there's no accountability at all for any of it, Sheriff.

[00:43:45] Where's your Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights? The biggest disappointment for me right now is that no one, including General Flynn, who has direct contact with Trump, doesn't seem like anyone is being able to get to President Trump to get Sheriff Scott Jenkins pardoned.

[00:44:06] A big article came out just yesterday from a guy talking about how innocent Sheriff Jenkins is and how he was attacked by the Biden administration for his obvious role in wanting to investigate Hunter Biden and his stance against the gun control being promoted by Biden and the corruption

[00:44:34] of the Biden administration. And Sheriff Scott Jenkins stood against all of that. And then the article came out and showed how the charges against him were so ridiculous and that this was a very staunch constitutionalist. They call him that. It calls him a constitutionalist. And that's why we use the term constitutional. The sheriffs who are really purely constitutional. And Sheriff Jenkins, of course, was one of them.

[00:45:03] And now he is looking at 10 years in prison, 10 years in prison. And so I've been in touch with General Flynn and Ted Nugent. And we were and then now I'm said, OK, what do we do now? He says we share share. General Flynn said we've got to try anything and everything we can. What is that now? OK, what does that mean?

[00:45:31] What? And and that's what I'm going to ask him. I said, OK, meet me in Washington, D.C. and let's walk this to Pam Bondi and and and go into the DOJ building and and say, OK, you know, here's former Sheriff Mack and former General Flynn. We've got to get this to someone who will do something to stop this huge injustice. In a matter of days, he's going to be reporting to prison.

[00:45:59] Why has this taken four months, five months that I've been working on this? Why is that taking so long? And when there's been so many pardons for other people and some of the people have actually committed crimes that he has pardoned. And by the way, some of the people who he's pardoned even now are still being harassed and still being abused by the system. And nothing's being done about that either. Right.

[00:46:27] So I don't know what else, you know, General Flynn just kind of gave this general statement to me. We've got to try everything. OK, I thought we already had. But please tell me what we're what we're missing here. So, you know, I don't I'm not I'm not getting this. All right. So I want to just tell you about this Stephen Jensen guy a little bit.

[00:46:54] He's the new assistant director in charge of the Washington field office. He's described as the organizer of the entire J6 roundup. Mr. Jensen built the construct for the J6 witch hunt. Stephen Jensen exposed himself as partisan when he weaponized the FBI to persecute Americans over the January 6th fiasco. Now he got promoted.

[00:47:25] I don't even know how to respond to this, Sheriff, because at this point I've got to where I'm I'm I'm to the point where there's just no hope in America. It's time to just say, all right, look, the country's going south. We've virtually got a dictatorship on our hands. Congress is absolutely derelict in their duty. They're doing nothing. They're going to turn Donald into a wartime president. And we're absolutely 100 percent bogged down due to the deep state. There's nothing we can do about it.

[00:47:55] Well, I hope that's not true. You know, I really like what he was doing with Presidente Bukele yesterday. Or they said they wouldn't return that. Yeah. I mean, yeah. You know, I thought all that was great. It was certainly a great PR between El Salvador, a very tiny, small populated country.

[00:48:18] But very helpful to the president and to what he wanted to do as far as deportation and and illegal immigration and so on. So, you know, I'm I'm not ready to complain too much about Trump because he had so much that he's already accomplishing. I mean, I totally agree. He's got time to meet with Meeker Brzezinski and Clown Morning Joe and all these other, you know, deep state liberal clowns.

[00:48:47] And none of us can even talk to him about anything that matters. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. And I like that he's reaching out to the other side, you know, meeting with Bill Maher. And I thought Maher's comments were kind of funny. And he and and Trump was funny. I mean, Trump literally, well, the vice president dropped the trophy for the Ohio State football team.

[00:49:12] But it's it's just that I I want him to focus if you're going to be doing pardons right left. Why haven't you done something for Sheriff Jenkins, who is totally innocent and and leftover corruption from the Biden administration? So obvious. And why would you keep if you give pardons to hundreds of J6ers? Why would you promote the guy who caused that?

[00:49:43] In the first place, that's a question for Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. And Dan just says, hey, there's stuff we can't tell you about. You're just going to have to trust us and wait. No, that's not. No, that Dan, you know better than that. You don't tell us to trust you and then promote somebody who all of us were against, including you. So. Oh, my gosh.

[00:50:13] But how are you going to go? How are you going to get a hold of Cash and Dan? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we've been trying that, too, with for Sheriff Jenkins. But the bottom line is they don't want us to get a hold of them at all. But they do want, you know, Monica and Morning Joe and and all these other clowns to be able to get a hold of them. They have an easy time. They basically say, I want to meet with Donald pretty soon. They're on a plane to Mar-a-Lago literally overnight. The next day they're there. Immediate appointment.

[00:50:43] And I'm just telling you right now, when you look at the real ID, when you look at this J6 who they promoted, when he said he was going to basically dismantle most of the FBI, what's been dismantled? Anything? No, not much. I don't. Well, I don't know that they've done really anything to. So I'm not here to judge them as bad people. I'm not here to tell you that Kash Patel is a bad person. OK, I think he's a good person and I publicly endorsed him and I pray that he can do something right. I just think the deep state is so entrenched.

[00:51:13] It's been put in place over the last, what, 50 hundred years, depending on where, you know, what reference point we're talking about to the point where I don't know that anybody can unwind it anymore. I think it's so corrupt, so criminal, so deep state shadow government oriented that I don't believe anybody can stop it. Kash can't. You can't. I can't. Donald can't. Nobody can. Yeah. And there's one reason why we can't because we won't turn to God and we keep murdering babies. Yeah.

[00:51:41] Well, you know, I was I was ready because I know that you had an email offering some people from anti-abortion groups to be with us today. I was ready to say it again. And I've said it to you and I have said it on your show numerous times. I've said it on numerous other shows. I mean, hundreds nationwide. And I'm doing another one to the Stu Peters later today. I will say it again.

[00:52:07] The worst thing happening in the world, in the world, and especially in America, is the promotion of killing unborn babies. And they are. Next hour, we'll go over this. We'll go over two big stories. One of them is Congress to decide the fate of National Public Radio and other government funded. I got to fund these, you know, government media groups.

[00:52:33] And then the second one is this huge live action report that I want to talk about in detail. It is shocking what's happening. And no one seems to really care. No one seems to be involved. No one seems to be. I mean, there's a few pro-life groups pushing it. Me and you are pushing it. But for the most part, it's a non-issue, Sheriff.

[00:52:50] Well, and the churches, many churches, including our own, that seem to think that as long as our government agents are killing babies, then we're completely without any culpability. And that's absolute craziness.

[00:53:11] Because you cannot hire your agents who are hired to represent us and then have them take tax dollars and fund the killing of unborn babies. And then you put it on your website that we're against abortion. And we're against anyone paying for abortions. It actually says that, Sam.

[00:53:31] And so I don't understand the thought process because it looks like to me the churches, again, including ours, are not part of the problem in not speaking out against this evil that is happening in our country. Oh, it's okay for government to pay for them, but not for members to pay for them, which we're all doing. We're speaking out on Liberty Roundtable about it. I'll tell you that.

[00:54:00] Look at CNN, folks. I'm on CNN right now. They want to talk about the Trump presidency and tariffs. They want to talk about trending Harvard funding freeze. They want to talk about a Harvey Weinstein retrial. They want to talk about Starbucks dress code. They want to talk about, I don't know what this is, Lil Nas X, hospitalized, American psycho.

[00:54:29] All I can tell you is that they're not even in the realm of real news. Anyway, hang tight. Hour one of the can. Hour two coming up. I'm Sam Bushman, Sheriff Richard Mack is with me. I don't mean to be depressed, folks. There's a lot we can do. Most importantly, we can turn to God, family, and country. That's where the solutions are. Hour two coming up.