Radio Show Hour 1 – 02/18/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Good to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news that I've refused to use no doubt starts now.

[00:00:43] This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for February the 18th in the year of our Lord 2025. This is Hour 1 of 2 and the goal always to protect life, liberty, and property, to promote God, family, and country through so using the checks and balances in the supreme law, the land, the constitution for the United States of America. That is our guide. Welcome to the broadcast. Hope you're all doing absolutely fantastic. As you know, we reject revolution unless it's a Jesus revolution. Then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:01:11] Today, I've got the good sheriff with me, Sheriff Richard Mack, founder and president of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, CSPOA.org. Become a member of the posse today. Sheriff, welcome back, sir. Thanks very much, Sam. It's great to be with you this blistery, cold Utah morning. Yeah. Amen to that. But it's supposed to be 40 degrees, so the snow will be melting a little bit. It'll get a little sunnier later today. And it's just beautiful, sir. Well, yeah.

[00:01:41] When we drove home last night in the snow, it reminded me of the good old days when we used to live here. But it still isn't even close, as you sort of alluded to. It's not even close to how cold it is in the Midwest. Amen. Amen. We're in the middle of the Rocky Mountains here, but it never gets as cold as it does in Iowa and Minnesota and Wisconsin and Nebraska. Yeah.

[00:02:09] And man, not only that, the snow usually is dry here, too, whereas there's super wet, crazy snow there, too. And the humidity makes it feel 10 times colder. It's out of control. Well, our prayers are with those folks suffering in the cold snaps. That's just part of global warming, don't you know? You've got to know that. The cold snaps, they're part of global warming. If you don't understand that, you just don't have the science background necessary to understand all that. You see what I mean? Anyway. You don't understand the politics behind global warming.

[00:02:39] Amen to that. Speaking of the politics behind weird stuff, here it is. Governor Gavin Newsom. Guy's a nutcase. Extreme as all get out. Well, man, everybody and their dog wants to run against him now. And, you know, we heard that Kamala wanted to go ahead and possibly run for governor of the state of California. Now we've got another clown jumping into the mix, in my opinion.

[00:03:05] Riverside County, California Sheriff Chad Bianco is running for governor of California in 2026, becoming the first one to announce this. He's been in law enforcement for 30 years. He's been sheriff since 2018. And now he's got political aspirations, Sheriff Mack. What say ye?

[00:03:27] I can honestly say that I would totally support him if it's him between him and Governor Newsom, Gavin Newsom. But that's about the only way. Or him and Kamala. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You mean the queen of word salad. Yeah. Yeah. She just released another word salad just the other day, too.

[00:03:56] People are just all up in arms about it. She can't keep from it, primarily because she can't think on her feet. It's just and then the words start getting mixed in her brain because she knows she doesn't know what she's talking about. And so she has to try to finagle the words to sound like she does. But every time it just comes out another invention of hers. And it's it's quite entertaining, Sam. And, you know, that's what I love about politics.

[00:04:25] It's very entertaining. Yes, it is. When I just look at Kamala, if I was the interviewer when she does that and I just go, it all goes back to the battle battle of Vanderloo, right? Vanderloo. Yeah. You'd be like, what? I'd be like, exactly. Yeah. I don't even know what the battle of Vanderloo is. I just made it up. But if that doesn't, you know, highlight the point, I don't know what does. Bottom line, though, is Chad might be better than some.

[00:04:54] But I'm very concerned about Chad Bianco for a bunch of reasons, Sheriff. Yeah. You know, a lot of people within his department are complaining and whistleblowing. And, you know, there's one thing that you and I have gotten involved in, you more than I,

[00:05:17] but it was with Ben Miller and the announcement from from Sheriff Bianco in Riverside County, California, that he and his department thwarted a third assassination attempt on President Trump at a rally that Ben Miller was going to, because he goes to a lot of Trump's say. He's probably been to 100 different Trump events across the country.

[00:05:44] And even Roger Stone and Alex Jones announced that the information coming from Sheriff Bianco in his office was balderdash. And Sam, I'm going to I'm going to go back to the beginning of all this when it first happened. And Ben Miller called you and me. And he asked me about my relationship with Bianco.

[00:06:13] And I said, it's it's been off and on strange. But this is this is the thing. As soon as Ben Miller gave you and me some evidence about this. I offered to Sheriff Bianco a chance for me to mediate a meeting between him and Ben Miller, because Ben Miller did something really stupid. And I've told him this and he knows it. And we agree with that.

[00:06:42] But yeah, it was stupid that he went to the Trump event in Riverside, California, and had two guns in the back of his car. He had two guns. In California, California, you cannot have a loaded gun in your car. And the ammunition has to be locked away in a different place in the vehicle if you do have it. And so that was just I don't know what he was thinking. He obviously wasn't thinking, perhaps.

[00:07:11] And and so hold on. In Vem's defense a little bit. You know what guys like him, you know, who have been relentlessly attacked in the media and maligned and everything else? You know, they they bear arms and they go all across the country and do so. California is a zone where you ought not do it. I get it. I understand. At the same time, he's just saying, hey, I've done this forever.

[00:07:35] However, the problem is the extreme laws of California and the hostility that California has to anybody who believes in the Second Amendment. I mean, that's that's really the core of this. So I agree that it was stupid. But I also understand that, you know what, in 90 percent of the country, not counting, say, a New York or a California or, you know, it would be fine. It wouldn't be a big deal. Right. That is correct. It would not. And and he kind of thinks, you know, he takes this approach.

[00:08:05] Hey, I'm a free American. I'm a gun owner and I'm a national journalist. And this should not be a problem. I don't know even if he he gave that much thought to it because he just he just believes he has a right to keep and bear arms. No matter. And that's why I say everywhere he goes in the country, all the hundred events or whatever you've mentioned, he's been at. Hey, he's done those things and it's not been a problem either. So I'm not saying it was wise.

[00:08:30] I'm just saying I want people to understand I want people to understand his positioning on this. Right. Right. And in all honesty, he was up front with the police and you and I have seen and heard this footage from him. He was recording the whole thing when he informed the police, the deputies there from Riverside County who were doing road checks and vehicle checks on people.

[00:08:55] And he told him, look, right up front, I have a couple of guns in the back there. He just wants you to know that. And I'm a journalist and blah, blah, blah, whatever else he said. And he even said, if you want to take my guns and hold them while I go to the rally, that's fine. I understand. Yeah. You know. Yeah. So so. And then after that. They tried to make it a huge national story and it did go national.

[00:09:22] But the story ended within 24 hours because the Secret Service and FBI completely cleared him. And Bianco still to this day is doubling down that. And I think one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever heard from a sheriff is that and they and they said, do you still believe that you you stopped the third assassination attempt on Trump that day? And he goes, yes, in our minds, we think that we did or we feel that we did.

[00:09:53] In our minds. In our minds. Are you out of your sound? You're sounding like Kamala now. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm sorry to be talking about this like this about a sheriff. But the truth of the matter is he said that. And if he had just gone with me, instead, he actually rebuked me. We've not done anything wrong back.

[00:10:21] So just mind your own business. That's literally what he told me. But right now, if he had just met with us and apologized and moved this whole thing over with Ben Miller, there would be no problem with this. And this would not be a campaign issue for him. But the problem is he made it a campaign issue.

[00:10:43] He wanted to use Ben Miller and attacking Ben Miller to make a big national headline for his campaign that here's the great sheriff from California that just saved Trump's life. And it is so bogus and it is so untrue. And Ben Miller is the one in the situation that conducted himself honorably.

[00:11:09] And it's really sad that Sheriff Bianco didn't humble himself a little bit and said, you know what, Sheriff Mack? I invite you and Ben Miller to meet with me. Just tell me when and where. And this whole thing would be over. It would be. It would. It would. And then after you offered that and Chad, in a very rude way, rejected that and said, what do I need that for? I've done nothing wrong. And Vim's a nutcase. Vim's an idiot.

[00:11:37] Vim's a, you know, sovereign citizens. Ben's a danger to society. And Vim is, you know, he was the assassination attempt on the president. Now, let me back up for a second and say I get Chad's teams. I don't know what word to use for this, but I get their hardcore quick assessment of situations. Because remember, there's been two assassinations on the president before this.

[00:12:06] And Chad or Sheriff Bianco is thinking, you know what? Not on my watch. We're going to take action. We're going to protect the president. I have tremendous respect for that, Sheriff. And I get that, you know what? He's saying we might have been overboard. We might have made a mistake on this one. That's when he should own up to it. And he should just explain. You know what? We kind of jumped the gun. Pardon the pun on that. But we wanted to make sure the president was safe and we're so sorry. And we could back out of this very gracefully with a lot of justification. Hey, there's been two assassination attempts on the president.

[00:12:36] We wanted to make sure this wasn't the third. We thought that was the case at first. It's not. Okay. He could have gone through this very gracefully. But after you offered and he rejected that, I started emailing back and forth with Sheriff Chad Bianco. Yeah. And I basically said, hey, I want to get to the bottom of some of these facts. You know, them is making some pretty outrageous claims. And I, you know, I don't like to just go to the media or go to other places. I want to go straight to the source for my information.

[00:13:02] Yes, I'm one of the leaders of the CSPOA, but I'm here as a journalist, Mr. Bianco. And I, I would like the facts on it. And he started out being very rude to me kind of right at the start too. He kind of started out by going, hey, you know what? Vem's a nutcase. I'm in the right. There's nothing to see here, Sam. And I said, you know, I appreciate that. I understand. But I would like to know about, for example, you know, did Vem Miller, for example, make

[00:13:30] any threats, you know, what, what is the basis for the suggestion that, that it was an assassination attempt? And he basically came back and said, listen, he had guns in his car. Well, guns in your car might be a stupid thing to do in California. I get it, but it's nowhere near an assassination attempt. So anyway, back and forth, back and forth with Mr. Bianco. Really what it came out to is he lied to me in writing, Sheriff. Yeah, I'm afraid he did.

[00:14:00] Okay. I don't know any way to prevent from saying that he lied to me in writing. I basically said, I basically said, where did this suggestion of an assassination attempt come from? He says, I don't know Vem or somebody or the crazy whacked out right wing extreme media, you know, brought that up. Then I basically found the news report where Chad Bianco is literally in his own voice in audio and in video basically saying, Hey, we stopped the third assassination attempt. Da da da.

[00:14:30] And I sent the soundbite to Chad Bianco and said, look, the mainstream press is saying you said this. Here's the soundbite of you saying this. Did you say this? And he literally said, no. I don't mean to be rude. I don't know how to even respond to that kind of stuff. It's almost worse than Bill Clinton, Sheriff. Yeah. So that's the problem.

[00:14:56] Anyway, in going back and forth then, I basically did my very best to go to Vem Miller to get the details that he was claiming, go to Sheriff Chad Bianco to get the details that he was claiming. Well, then what happened is I asked about a couple of other things. I said, what are the charges filed against Vem? He said, oh, we've got gun charges and we've got issues with his car and his registration. We've got all these charges, he says. Well, I literally called.

[00:15:23] I don't know what department you call it or whatever, but I called. There were no charges filed against Vem at all at the time. So I wrote back and said, Sheriff Bianco, there's no charges filed. He said, there will be. Okay, but you just told me there were. Yeah. Well, now at the end of the day, all they charged him with was a couple of gun misdemeanor charges. That's it. Nothing. Right. Now that's fine. If Vem did bring a gun to the state of California and that's problematic, then fine.

[00:15:53] Let it be. I'm not at all trying to act like Vem is perfect. But I am saying there's a far cry between, hey, we're going to give you some gun charges that are misdemeanor charges because you declared a gun versus doubling down and saying it was an assassination attempt. Now, here's my problem with the whole story, Sheriff. And this is why I will not let this story go. If I look up the words Vem, V-E-M space Miller on the Internet right now.

[00:16:23] Who is Vem Miller? Man arrested, arrested with a loaded gun outside. Who is Vem Miller? Well, Trump rally goer and every story ties him to this assassination attempt that Chad still claims has validity. But there is no evidence whatsoever of a assassination attempt.

[00:16:51] And all the news people did a bunch of stories about this October, mid-October when it all happened. Since then, I can't find a single story about it. But they're all October 12th, October 14th stories right when it happened. Right. Well, it's one thing to say, hey, Vem was stupid. He got a couple of misdemeanor charges. He brought a gun where he shouldn't have. He did his best to declare it. So they knew about it. But still, you can't have a gun here, sir. And therefore, you know, I get that.

[00:17:21] But to allow the mainstream press now and the mainstream press to quit producing any more details. So what's happened since, you might ask, that's really critical. Number one, Richard Mack tried to broker a peace offering between rejected by the sheriff. Sam tries to follow up with the sheriff and get details. And the sheriff literally accuses me of shilling for Vem. Now, Sheriff Mack, how am I shilling for Vem?

[00:17:48] Is there any evidence anywhere that I'm taking Vem's side? No, I don't think you've ever met him, have you? Not in person? I know you're talking to him on the phone. Yeah, I've talked to him on the phone because I'm digging into this, but I've never met him in person. He's not historically been a friend of mine. Not that I'm saying I'm not his friend. I'm just saying that, you know, I haven't really known Vem. And I'm not picking anybody's side. What I want is the facts. Who brought up this assassination idea? And Bianco's team is trying to claim it wasn't them.

[00:18:17] But I have them on record in front of the mainstream press literally carrying that narrative. And the proof is he's still with that same narrative, even though there's no evidence to that at all that we can find or that Vem can provide or that the courts can provide or that the sheriff will provide. So I have to say there's no evidence of that claim. And that claim had to come from Bianco's office. Well, to allow that claim to stand in the media.

[00:18:48] That's just as bad as being thrown in jail for January 6th almost. You've ruined a man's life over this. How are you going to get a job when it's like, that's the guy that made the third assassination attempt on the president? Yeah. Whoa, hold on a minute. You can't do that. What would be the reason is kind of the nice question that Chad would continue this narrative? It might be humility. It might be a gold for future office. I don't know. But to me, this is disaster.

[00:19:18] How can you ruin a man's life like this and make that kind of claim when it's blatantly without evidence, Sheriff? Well, yeah. And there's two things that will really affect or become a problem for Sheriff Bianco.

[00:19:34] And one is if this goes to trial during the next few months or even the next year while he's supposedly running for governor for 2026 in California, the evidence coming out in this case is going to not bode well for him at all.

[00:19:57] And then the other part of that, part of the evidence on that is that how can you announce, which he did, to the world that Ben Miller was a threat to President Trump? And then he didn't even have to bail out. He just got out of jail on his own. Well, and that's where Bianco lies.

[00:20:22] And so at first, Bianco, basically, they flooded in the media that it was a $500, you know, to get out of jail. So then I came back and said, did Ben Miller have to pay any money to get out of jail? Instead of saying no, what he said was these gun misdemeanor charges don't require bail. Yeah. Well, that's true. But he avoided answering the question, Sheriff. The answer is no. Ben Miller did not pay a penny. Well, the mainstream press is full of them had to pay money to get out. It's not true.

[00:20:52] No. But even if it was $500 or, you know, that's nothing. And both are indications that there were no serious charges pending and that Ben Miller was not a suspect in going after Trump or he would not have got out at all. That's right. And there would have been further charges pending. Now, Vem did also also did something else very stupid. He drove a car there that was not registered.

[00:21:24] And so that's what leads to this, you know, Chad Bianco saying it was a sovereign citizen thing because a lot of those guys don't have their cars registered and this and that and that and the other. And was it smart of Vem? No. But all Vem did was register his car and go back and pick it up. He got the car impounded for a couple of days or whatever else. Cost him a chunk of money. Again, that was stupid. That's why I tell people don't go down that sovereign citizen road. I don't think Vem is a sovereign citizen. He claims he's not. He claims that he doesn't go down that road. But he did not have his car registered.

[00:21:54] And again, these are things where I defend Chad a little bit at first to say I can see how all these things add up and you're going, whoa, hold on. Guns, no registration, all kinds of claims. Now, Vem did have some different forms of identification that confused the issue, too. He's a Canadian citizen. So we had a Canadian passport. He's an American citizen. So we had an American passport. There was some confusion there.

[00:22:19] And that's why I say at first I defend the sheriff in saying, hey, all these red flags made us go hold the heck on and stop. I get that and support that. What I don't support is the continuing doubling down even after the FBI says nothing here. Even after we research it and I can't find any evidence at all. The sheriff won't even cooperate. Vem will. That's very, very telling in my mind. And in my investigation, I cannot find any of the claims that Chad's making that would stick.

[00:22:49] You can say his car wasn't registered. Well, you can say that's a sovereign citizen. You can say he was stupid and didn't register it in time. He should have. And he drove around like that. Fine. Give him a fine, whatever. But there's not even any charges in Bianco's jurisdiction regarding the car or any of the IDs or any of those other things. All there is is misdemeanor gun charges. That's it. And so to muddy the water with all these other things about he had multiple licenses. If they're not going to charge him for any of that, well, then here's the other problem. Vem's from Nevada.

[00:23:19] And Vem's parents got drug into this. And this is where, again, the plot thickens. This isn't just a sheriff who got it wrong and doesn't have the humility to admit it. That would be one thing, and that's bad enough. But now we find that somehow people were sent to Vem's parents' house asking questions and this and that. How does that all happen, Sheriff? That looks very suspicious. And it did from the get-go.

[00:23:51] And Vem asked me about that, and I said, well, sooner or later, that truth will come out, and you have the right to see any phone conversation between Riverside sheriffs and Las Vegas Metro. Well, and the question is if they contacted them directly or if the FBI or somebody at the national level made that happen. I'm concerned about sheriff's departments having relationships with one another, though. Just reporting to a different state and saying, hey, you've got to go to this address or these parents' house or this or that.

[00:24:19] All I'm telling you is that alone starts to get very scary indeed. When we come back, let's break this down further because, like I mentioned, all the media just dealt with this in October of last year, and then they dropped it like a hot tater. There's a lot that's happened since, which I want to dig into. We'll do it in seconds with a good sheriff, Sheriff Richard Mack, and yours truly, Liberty Roundtable Live.

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[00:30:26] We're talking about this Chad Bianco story. Because Sheriff Chad Bianco of Riverside, California wants to become the next California governor. 2026. The problem with Chad is, he's got all kinds of scandals. The Vem Miller case is how we kind of got involved in this in the first place. Chad's never been very friendly to Sheriff Mack. The CSPOA. Or myself. He won't cooperate with any of the investigation I try to do.

[00:30:52] He just blames or claims that I'm part of a big conspiracy to back Vem Miller. I'm not in a conspiracy to back anybody, people. I'm just telling you right now, I want the who, what, when, where, why of a story. That's what I'm interested in the most. And I tried to get it from Chad, but he will not cooperate. Will not respond. Everything he says literally has turned out to be dishonest. Dishonest. Manipulative. And flat out I've caught him in some absolute lies via sound bites and email and video and everything else.

[00:31:21] The only charges against Vem right now are some two little teeny misdemeanor charges for the gun things. And do I say Vems should be freed from that? No. Let the courts do whatever they want to with that. But that's a far cry. A far cry from any third assassination attempt on the president. And the problem that I have is the mainstream press, they all went hog wild to back Chad and down Vem. But then when the truth starts to come out, their mom's the word silent.

[00:31:51] There's not a single story about it laying out the truth. And here's the truth that we've discovered about Chad Bianco since this event. Number one, Vem Miller is suing Chad. Vem's likely to do pretty well in that lawsuit, regardless of what the sheriff has to say about it. But there's also been a bunch of other scandals that have come to light. Sheriff, I don't know if you know, but he's got dead people in his jails.

[00:32:15] There's been all kinds of lawsuits filed about people in the jails and about people that have died in the jails and on his watch and the abuse that people have taken at the hands of Bianco's sheriff's department and everything else. Vem is just one of the many, many, many cases that we're seeing here. And so we're seeing another side to Mr. Bianco that really concerns us. And you know what? We love to support good, honest sheriffs.

[00:32:40] And if a sheriff isn't constitutional enough, we usually give them a little bit of grace on that because, hey, we're not taught about this in the police academies. We're not taught about the Constitution in school anymore. And so, you know, it's hard for sheriffs to get up to speed. And we like to give a lot of kindness and patience to let them get up to speed. But this sheriff is literally lying to us, thumbing his nose at us as if somehow we're the bad guys, sheriff. Why would he do that?

[00:33:05] What would be the value of not leveling with us and saying, hey, guys, look, here's the deal. And I don't understand how we end up on the wrong side of this. All I want is the truth. If there was a third assassination attempt, I want to know about it. And if there is, show the evidence. And if there's not one sheriff, then we've got to stop that narrative. Yeah. Yeah. Either way. And he made it clear from the beginning that he didn't want me involved.

[00:33:35] And I stayed out of it. The emails that you alluded to a little while ago that you were trying to contact him and you wanted to get to know the truth and you wanted to give him a fair shake and he could respond or come on the show and say anything he wants. Well, he turned all that down, too. But in regards to deaths in jails, that happens frequently. And I'm not trying to be overly fair to him or whatever.

[00:34:04] But Maricopa County Jail has averaged about 50 deaths in the jails, in their Maricopa County Jail. And there's a lot of legitimate reasons for this, right? Yeah, of course. Of course. And a lot of it happens just because somebody gets arrested and they can't bail out and they're in prison and they think all is lost and that they've lost their family and they've lost everybody and credibility and reputation and anything.

[00:34:32] And they do whatever they can to commit suicide. And most of them are. And sometimes this is also a huge indictment against the prison system in America. Some of them actually overdose on drugs. And you would think that our jails would be drug free, but they're not. And we say, oh, well, let's make drugs illegal. Well, we already have.

[00:35:00] And the last place you would expect to find drugs or drug proliferation would be inside our prison system and jail system. And it's not. There's a lot of it. There's a lot of it. And so it's a very sad commentary on the jail system. So I don't know how much. Well, so here's the problem. My only point is these people are suing Chad over this.

[00:35:26] And I would be glad to defend Chad if I felt like Chad was on the up and up on the Vem Miller case. I would say, hold on. Let's give Chad the benefit of the doubt here. This happens to a lot of sheriffs. There's things beyond their control. There's things that you don't know the whole story. There's I would be defending the sheriff right now. But when you literally lie to me and say, hey, I didn't push the narrative about this third assassination attempt. And then I literally send you a soundbite where you're saying that and showing you the mainstream press.

[00:35:55] And you don't write back and say no in this case. You write back and go, I don't trust the media. They're a bunch of thugs. It isn't the way it went. It isn't the way it is. Sam, you don't know and quit taking Vem's side. And I'm like, sheriff, this is your soundbite. The mainstream press claimed you said this and here's you saying it. Now, if you want to talk about the reasons, we can. But you can't say you didn't say it.

[00:36:19] And so my problem with this whole scenario and why this is gaining in my mind wings is because, yes, there's all these problems in the details. But now we can't trust Chad to be on the up and up about it. That's the problem. Yeah, it is. And the whole thing is a huge problem for for Bianco.

[00:36:41] And and, you know, he in regards to involving CSPOA in this, CSPOA is not involved in it. You're a broadcast journalist and you can talk to anybody, anytime, anyplace. But Sheriff Bianco kept bringing up CSPOA in his emails to you. And so finally, I got involved again.

[00:37:06] And I said, Sheriff Bianco, you said you didn't want me involved and or the CSPOA. And you keep bringing up the CSPOA. And I would like to ask you to stop doing that. And of course, he ignored it, but he did stop doing it. But at the same time, this is a huge problem for him. And what he has done is he has allowed his pride to get involved.

[00:37:30] And he's got blinders on for his campaign to be governor of California. And I'm actually surprised that he went ahead to do that with all the complaints that are coming in about him and especially this case with Ben Miller.

[00:37:49] And the reason we know that his butt is puckered with this case is because he and I believe Riverside Police Department are refusing to release body cam video from the police officers and deputies at the time of this incident. And if you had nothing to hide, in fact, you would think that you would want if any of this is true about Ben Miller and his mistakes or possible crimes committed at that at that very time.

[00:38:47] You would want to release all of that. Problem. Vem has tried to get stuff for his own defense. He can't get anything from them. They just turn it down, turn it down, turn it down. But listen, I guess the Riverside County Sheriff's Office under Chad Bianco's direction has already settled a federal lawsuit prompted by deputies barging into a couple's home, an elderly couple without a warrant.

[00:39:14] So there's more than just the jail discussion. There's burst into people's houses without a warrant. Now, listen carefully, because here's the tie. So he already had to pay out money because he burst into a couple's house without a warrant. Shouldn't have done it. Got busted. Had to pay out money. Well, isn't that similar to somehow going to Nevada and going to Van Miller's parents house? Maybe Chad didn't go himself. But what strings were pulled to do this? At some point, it borders on an intimidation tactic beyond the law, Sheriff.

[00:39:46] Yeah, that looks very bad for Bianco. And it might look bad for Las Vegas Metro, depending on who from Riverside County Sheriff's Office spoke with Las Vegas Metro in trying to get them to go shake them down and making a huge mistake of shaking his parents down. So, yeah, now there's two lawsuits.

[00:40:12] Well, and the Nevada police, we're not attacking them by any means right now. We're defending them and saying it's possible that they just, you know, somebody said, hey, can you get an address for these people? Does Vem live at this location? And they went to find out. And, you know, we don't know the details of that yet. Right. What we do know is it's very strange for somehow Vem didn't have that address on his driver's license. It had really nothing to do with an adult male, Vem Miller. But all of a sudden they go to Nevada and go to Vem's parents. How do those dots get connected?

[00:40:42] And what's the purpose of that? See, that's kind of the question. What's the purpose of all that? Intimidation? Don't mess with the sheriff? What's the purpose? Right? And it's possible that Las Vegas Metro was going after something else and someone else or made a mistake and went there and that they were not colluding with Sheriff Bianco or his department in any way. I doubt that. But it's still a possibility.

[00:41:13] And probably they should have issued some apologies real quick to Vem's parents. But it doesn't look like they did. And this happens far too often across the country, to be honest with you, Sam. This is a problem with law enforcement.

[00:41:29] If an agency in Tennessee says, hey, we have a warrant or we're conducting an investigation and we need to talk to so-and-so, could you go please knock on their door and let them know that we need to talk to them or whatever? You can do that without a warrant. But you still cannot go in their house without a warrant unless they invite you in.

[00:41:56] And probably in that circumstance, the parents would have said, well, yeah, come on in. You know, most people do, to be honest. And that's another mistake that people commit when they're confronted by the police on the road, on the street, you know, just walking along and a cop will come up and shake you down. Most people don't understand their rights there and don't exercise them.

[00:42:23] But be that as it may, we trust the other agency way too much in saying, oh, yeah, they said they have a warrant. We just never got a copy of it. Or they just asked us to go see if these people were home. So we did. And that's probably not very accurate in this case because there was about a dozen officers, anti-terrorism officers that went to the Van Miller home.

[00:42:51] And here's the problem that I have with it. While the FBI and the general government was saying there's nothing here and they dropped the case. Right. This continued. That's the problem that I'm having. Right. Well, same here. And so, look, this whole thing, bottom line, just boils down to Sheriff Bianco that he's got his pride ahead of his brain. And he should have been thinking this out.

[00:43:21] And I'm going to go back to this. He should have accepted my offer. And we could have had this whole thing settled. And now he's going to have this hanging over his head the whole time that he now, according to him, is running for governor. And I guess my point is, even if he didn't work that out with you, you know, what's wrong with talking to me, though? What is the sheriff afraid of? Even if he thinks I'm on Vem's side. Which I'm not. OK.

[00:43:50] But why not come on the radio with me for an hour? I'm not the, you know, podcaster guys that are just going off crazy. I'm not a sovereign citizen. I've had FBI background checks of my own for mortgage reasons and insurance license reasons. So I've had all my own FBI background checks, my thumbprints, my fingerprints, my palm prints, all taken for financial fiduciary responsibilities and stuff like that. I've been a broadcaster for more than 30 years. I'm not going to go crazy on Bianco. I'm going to let him say what he wants to say.

[00:44:20] And I'm going to ask a few hard questions. But I'm going to be respectful and let him. Why wouldn't he? You know, he comes on all the other programs that literally say his narrative. Now, here's the interesting thing. So I look up Vem Miller. And all I get is these stories from October about how Vem was the bad guy. Nothing since. Never mind the fact that Vem's sued. Never mind that Vem's been willing to come on radio and TV and tell his side of the story, including sound bites and evidence. And Bianco has not.

[00:44:49] But I kind of go, why wouldn't you come on Liberty Roundtable Live and, you know, lay out the truth according to as the sheriff sees it? He was all too willing to go on programs when it was the assassination attempt, he could say. But now that he's being forced to back away from that, he doesn't want to do anything. Now, I look up Chad Bianco on Google right now. There's not a single negative story about him. Every story, every story is that he's running for governor. Yeah.

[00:45:16] So there seems to be a media, mainstream media collaboration with the sheriff in some way or another. How do you ignore the Vem Miller story and then all of a sudden just come out with he's running for governor literally six months later? How do you do that? I think there's lots of press that would love to go after Bianco. I'd like to see it. But the reason isn't is they think it's a non-story. It's a nothing story.

[00:45:44] Even even with the inaccuracies coming from Bianco's. When you accuse a man of a third assassination attempt on the president. Yeah, no evidence and no charges being filed. You've ruined a man's life unnecessarily. What justifies that? Yeah, nothing. But I really think that that's a possibility in some of it because there's there is no way that there's press that want to give Bianco a free ride on this. He's a sheriff.

[00:46:14] He's claimed to be a constitutional sheriff in the past. Well, you know that he used to be a member of Oath Keepers, right? I don't know that. Yeah. Well, that's what the mainstream press says. He used to be a member of the Oath Keepers. And so if that's true, then, hey, they're going to have to treat that like they do with you, whether he's part of them or not. Now it's supposed to haunt him forever. Right? Not. I mean, I don't believe that's the way it should be. Chad has every right, by the way, and I'm going to defend Chad right now. He has every right to say I was part of the Oath Keepers when I thought they were doing great.

[00:46:40] And then eventually we, you know, parted company because of this or that reason or whatever you want to say. People need to be given some grace for that. And I would give Sheriff Bianco grace for that. I would give Sheriff Bianco grace for this idea, too, that, man, we just we were hyper vigilant because, man, we didn't want anything to happen on our watch. And my gosh, we're so sorry. I accept all that. And I would be defending the sheriff. If that was the case, the problem is the double down and the ruining of a man's life. If you'll do that to one person like this.

[00:47:09] What else will you do, Sheriff? Isn't that really the question here? Yeah, it is. So I'm just trying to brainstorm ideas why press wouldn't be going after him, because I know the press would love to go after him. And because of those. So, you know, he you know, everything that they attack me for. Especially my association with Oath Keepers. They could do the same thing to Bianco. So I don't know why they're not doing it.

[00:47:36] But that's still why I think that most of it they think is just a non story. It's already been covered. And we don't care about Ben Miller anyway, because he's sovereign citizen or he's kook or whatever. I care about them because he's an American and because he deserves due process like everybody else. Chad. Right. Right.

[00:47:55] And and you would think that it would be a big story just in and of itself that he refuses to turn over body cam footage that, you know, the press knows that according to the law, he has to do all of that. And and and that discovery is part of the process. And and Sheriff Bianco knows that he knows he has to, but he's totally refusing. So none of this fits in a lot of ways.

[00:48:25] But at the same time, I cannot believe that as a sincere politician who wants to run for governor would not have tried to take care of this and get it off his plate before the election before the campaign. Well, I've tried. And like I say, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he says, hey, there was this sovereign citizen guy. We thought he was that because he didn't have his car registered and he had weird plates on his car. He had a couple of different passports making us question his identity in the first place.

[00:48:55] He had guns in the car. Yes, he admitted to having them. But hey, loaded guns just in California are not all right. And circumstantially, we thought we really had a serious problem here. I support that 100 percent. What I don't support is the continuing doubling down even now. The FBI has cleared him. Nothing in Nevada continued. But Chad just still holds on to the narrative. And anybody who brings up what's the deal here, then they get attacked by the sheriff. Sheriff, that's my problem, too. Why am I being attacked by the sheriff?

[00:49:22] What did I do except for ask genuine, honest questions? Isn't that what the person is supposed to do? You gave him a chance to come and tell the whole story on your show, which he didn't want to do. And if everybody knows, I don't bring on people as guests to try to barbecue them or make them look like a clown and me have the upper hand. I don't do that. If Chad wants to say things, I might ask a couple of hard questions. And I'll ask some hard questions to them, too.

[00:49:50] Like, Vem, why are you driving around with an unregistered car full of guns? I mean, that's just dumber than hell. That's just stupid. Come on. Don't do that anymore. I mean, I'm not saying what was done to you was right. But, I mean, it's a little bit of asking for it, right? I mean, I'll be the first to say that. And I told Chad that. But quite honestly, you and I don't support the charges of the gun charges against them. No, we don't.

[00:50:15] And what we train sheriffs to do is that he could have got a great story out of this, too, Sheriff Bianco. He could have said, I don't want him charged with guns. He didn't do anything wrong. He has a right to keep and bear arms. Our California laws are too strict. And they're, quite frankly, they're unconstitutional. They're unconstitutional.

[00:50:37] And I'm not going to have any part of charging someone from Nevada who has, which laws are very different there. And I'm not going to do this. And so I'm going to defend this man and his right to keep and bear arms. And I'm not going to support the California acts or statutes. To the contrary.

[00:50:59] And if Chad Bianco wants an example case, how about Nick Finch in Liberty County, Florida, who went on this very topic? Right. Exactly. And so, you know, But see, Chad has a problem with you. And the next question becomes why? If he's a constitutional sheriff, oath keeper guy, and so were you. And both of you have left oath keepers fine. What's really the difference between you and Chad?

[00:51:24] And I don't understand why he's, you know, not willing to be kind or appropriate with the CSPOA in the first place. I mean, what an advocate for getting elected. I mean, Jerry Sheridan in Arizona had us involved in helping him get elected, and he won. So I guess I don't understand the reasoning or what Chad's line of thinking even is, even before this with the CSPOA. What could be the deal? And we want to sit down and make it right, and he won't even do that, right? Yeah.

[00:51:53] And so you have to look at this and say, Sheriff Bianco, what are you thinking? What have you been thinking? And pride comes before the fall, and it looks like that's the foundation you've based your campaign on. So, no, I don't get any of it.

[00:52:16] Even when he was doing things at CSPOA that we opposed during the COVID thing, because he said he wasn't going to enforce COVID mandates, but he did. And I tried to get a hold of him on that, and he had me talk to his public relations officer, Sergeant Martinez, whatever his name was. And so that's where he and I got a little bit crossways, but it wasn't any big deal.

[00:52:43] And, you know, I still spoke to him after that and whatnot and whatnot. But he made some public statements about CSPOA and then me and that, oh, I just wanted all the sheriffs in the country to pay dues. I've never asked a sheriff in the country ever, any place, not him or anyone else, to pay dues to CSPOA. In fact, we don't even keep track of who sheriffs are that join. They join as individuals, not as sheriffs anyway. Right, right.

[00:53:09] So none of this fits for Bianco, and I wish him well, but the main thing I wish is that he would swallow his pride and do what's best. And he just seems to be continuously doubling down on the wrong side.

[00:53:30] Well, it reminds me of the situation back in the day where, you know, it was the cover-up of the crimes that took you down, not necessarily even the crimes in the first place. Isn't that what we learned in the back in the day, Sheriff? Yeah, pretty much. Isn't that the Nixon takeaway? Yeah, it is. Just saying. So, Chad, I'm sorry, buddy. I'd be glad to help you. I'd be glad to sit down publicly or privately. I'd be glad to go ahead and get the truth on the table.

[00:54:00] I'd be glad to restore Ben Miller's good name. Did he make some mistakes? Absolutely. But does that justify you're going to live the rest of your life as the guy that tried to kill the president and got stopped? I don't think that's honest or fair. Ladies and gentlemen, when a sheriff is constitutional, we support him. And when they pretend they're constitutional, a constitutional sheriff would not be sideways with Ben Miller. They'd find a way to sit down.

[00:54:27] And if you've got a problem, the scriptures say, take it between he and me and resolve it. That's what we tried to accomplish. That's what Ben tried to accomplish. The sheriff will not let it happen. All right. Hour one of the can. Hour two coming up. The good sheriff, Richard Mack, with me. CSPA.org. Become a member today.