Radio Show Hour 1 – 02/17/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news that never refused to use. No doubt starts now. This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for February the 17th in the year of our Lord 2025.

[00:00:40] This is Hour 1 of 2 and the goal always to protect life, liberty, and property and to promote God, family, and country. And they do so on your radio on this special day. It is George Washington's birthday, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the broadcast. They've perverted it and generally called it President's Day. Is that what it is? Anyway, Dr. Bradley, welcome to the broadcast, sir. Well, good morning, Sam. And as usual, you're always opening a can of worms.

[00:01:07] And I don't know if you even want to get off on those tangents. I do. And I do. And I do. And let me just tell you really quick before we start doing. You know, they want you to not know what day it is, doctor. That's the problem here, right? Well, that's true. We got this thing about it. Well, everything really happened on a Monday. So you can have a three-day weekend, right? Or a Friday. Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. You got to have these three-day weekends, sometimes four-day weekends.

[00:01:36] Why don't you just work six days a week like the good Lord said and take a rest on the Sabbath and, you know, do it like that? That's how I roll, buddy. Well, government kind of, you know, ruined that. They want to be able to run every aspect of your life. And the thing is that when they... Just leave me the heck alone. That's all I'm saying. Just get out of it. Just leave me alone. Create a level playing field. Make sure that I'm not abused and hurt by enemies foreign and domestic. And leave me the heck alone. That's all I want. Well, but you can't do any banking or post office today. Don't need to. It's okay.

[00:02:06] Who cares? No. No. What I'm saying, though, my friend, is that they've given all those guys a day off. You know, you still got... Oh, yeah. At my expense? I see how you're talking now. Yeah. See? Wow. But the thing is, it's even more complicated than that. Yes. Because of the old style calendar and the new style calendar and Pope Gregory and how long the American people put off.

[00:02:31] Well, it was actually the English people because Henry decided he wasn't going to do anything with the Catholic Church anymore. I mean, you really don't... Washington's birthday old style is different than new style. And people don't even know about those kinds of things. And trying to make... What the old style, new style thing had to do with the leap year and the creep year when,

[00:02:58] you know, they were kind of moving, you know, I don't know, Easter to July. I mean, every year the day moved a little bit because of the solar, the length of the solar year. Anyway, no, you don't want to open all these things. I think you were really trying to talk about... It's just Washington's birthday. Oh, by the way, let me just say something. Hold on. It is Washington's birthday and we should celebrate it as such for a very glorious reason. Let's be very clear.

[00:03:26] Well, true, correct. And when you call it President's Day, it perverts it even further. Are we celebrating Bill Clinton? Are we doing Jimmy Carter? Are we doing Joe Biden? Are we doing Ronald Reagan? Are we doing... Oh, absolutely. Wilford, I mean, no. Woodrow Wilson, are we... I mean, come on, people. He was even president, though. Wasn't, you know, half president, too?

[00:03:53] Well, yeah, but that's the thing is President's Day. I mean, not every one of them was a glorious individual and most of them were dark days for the country. I mean, look at the Joe Biden for the most recent episode of Escapades, unconstitutional, law-breaking, criminal activity. From dawn till dusk, he can't even hardly walk or talk. He's so old and ancient. But yet, man, he can be everywhere and just literally destroy the country with his minions, right? Well, it's like I've said so many times.

[00:04:20] When he was signing all those pardons and everything else he was doing, they probably told him he was signing Christmas cards. I mean, there was no connectivity with the little gray cells between his ears. But, I mean, one good thing about Biden, I don't think Jimmy Carter can be considered to be the worst president anymore. Now, again, Jimmy Carter really, oh, man, he was a globalist and all that kind of nonsense.

[00:04:45] But he really, I don't think, was worse than Woodrow Wilson, the big globalist that he was. But, you know, it's kind of hard to rank the bottom quartile of the way presidents fit. But there have been very few in the top quartile. Some would say it would be Abraham Lincoln, though. I mean, if anybody destroyed the state's rights, it's him. A lot of people are really hard on Abraham Lincoln. In many ways, sadly, justly so.

[00:05:15] At the same time, I kind of say, you know, there's some real bad about what he did. I'll acknowledge that. But there was a lot of good about what he did, too. So it's kind of a, I don't know, you want to call it a mixed bag a little bit, right? I think to the victor goes the spoils. And I think if people really understood the depth and breadth of the audacity that Lincoln did. I mean, he committed treason, if you want to use an article for his definition. I don't disagree with that one bit.

[00:05:45] Yeah. Then the fact of the matter is his Emancipation Proclamation didn't free one slave. It was, it applied to. Well, other than that, it's not so bad. I mean, but the thing is that, like I say, this, maybe he got softened somewhere. I really had heartburn, and I continue to for a large many reasons. For good reasons. With Lincoln. Right. But I keep thinking to myself, you know, I'm going to wait until I can talk to him when we both get over to the other side.

[00:06:16] And I can say, what the hell were you doing face to face, you know? And maybe get his side of the story a little bit. And I'm going to tell you what he's going to say. You ready? Go ahead. Because he's going to be real candid and completely honest at that point, right? You hope so. Maybe he is on the other side. He would basically say this. You know what? I was in over my head. I didn't really understand the constitutional ramifications. I did know slavery was wrong.

[00:06:44] I did understand that states' rights were important. But I was afraid that the country would rip asunder. And I did the best I could. Well, is that right on many fronts? No. Is that reality to some degree? Yes. Do we need to give people a little bit of the benefit of the doubt? That's kind of where I split with a lot of the people on Lincoln, whereas I get his wrong-headed choices. I get it.

[00:07:10] But I also get that individuals make wrong decisions, and we can't hang our whole hat as a nation on those decisions. For example, if the American people would have been completely constitutional, one, they could have stopped Lincoln. And number two, if they were constitutional and not wicked, they could basically bring us back. In other words, we didn't have to lose all those rights for good if we would stand together as a people. In other words, the solutions are in the supreme law. The solutions are in God, family, and country.

[00:07:39] And if we liberally apply those solutions, there's not a single man that could bring us down, doctor. So as much as I agree 100% on his mistakes and his maybe even bordering on wicked acts, you've got to kind of ask yourself, how much do we the people have responsibility for many of the problems that we face even today?

[00:08:02] You know, if I want to literally murder somebody, so just so you know, the CEO got murdered, this CEO of this big health company or whatever, now this guy that shot him is going to trial right now. And I don't know if you know, but they already raised over $300,000 to help him with his defense. When I say they, meaning we the people in America or whatever, you know, some people love this guy, think he is doing right. And he's already raised over $300,000.

[00:08:28] Hey, man, I can't raise $300,000 if my life depends on it, doctor, for any gallient legitimate cause, right? Yeah. Yeah, $300. Yeah, that's about where we're at. He doesn't have $300. But you're right. We the people are. But this guy raised $300,000. And you go, okay, well, at some point this is a societal reflection and nothing more. Really, right? Well, that's true. And I've said this for, well, 50-some odd years, 55 years, maybe, something like that,

[00:08:59] that we the people are responsible for the type of governance we have. And we the people have really, really kind of let the bar fall pretty far. And there's very few that are, I mean, right now, okay, those that are happy with Trump are completely, you know, they're doing their victory dance in the end zone and it's just kind of let it flow, baby. And there's no checking and balancing in terms of recognizing, wait, wait, wait, that's an overreach.

[00:09:28] That goes beyond the Constitution. That really isn't, I mean, where in the world do things come from like this Gaza Strip thing or, you know, any of these kinds of things. I mean, but, you know, here five years ago, and we've talked for five years about this, when all the mandates were coming out, but Donald Trump, you know, for the COVID con, Donald Trump was leading the parade in that thing.

[00:09:53] And you heard on the news he just signed an executive order that says we're going to get rid of all of these mandates in school systems. Yeah, here's what the headline says to be exact because this is my top story, by the way. Oh, okay. Right minds think alike, ladies and gentlemen. Trump orders defunding of schools and universities that mandate COVID vaccines, USA Today. Now, on one hand, you say that's good. At least he's reversing his stake on this. No, he's actually being consistent.

[00:10:22] He was against the mandating of these things in the first place. The government literally turned on us all and did a lot of that. President Trump wasn't for a lot of that, but he did set the stage for a lot of it to be the case in the first place. Now, do you support an executive order to defund this? Well, I don't think we should be funding schools and universities in the first place. So we're going around the barn, but it gets so thick and so convoluted people can't see straight, doctor. Well, see, that's the thing. There's so many things to talk about on this.

[00:10:51] We've got all of these federal fundings, as you point out, unconstitutional to the core. But that's how they're going to leverage everything. Oh, you don't want your education funds. In this particular instance, they're saying that. But your education funds run deep and wide. Did you know, Sam, in fact, you probably know, that every state in the union is feeding at the federal trough, if you will. Well, the lowest state.

[00:11:16] Sam, true and unconstitutionally feeding at the trough because they're not supposed to siphon in money from an unauthorized source to balance their budgets. They have an obligation to balance their budgets and not using unauthorized funds. Any federal government money has stolen unauthorized funds, sir. The lowest funding that any state, percent of their total revenue stream is Connecticut, 31%. Many states exceed 50%.

[00:11:41] I was just speaking up in Montana here a week ago, and theirs is 46.5%. Half of their budget comes from the feds. Now, that gives the feds. They're absolutely controlled by the feds. All kinds of unconstitutional mandates and manipulations and controls and regulations. And I can keep going on and on and on. No wonder it seems to be grievous to be borne in taxes or at an alarming rate, right?

[00:12:08] Well, and this has got many ramifications right now. Montana, for example, is talking about a balanced budget amendment. Okay, well, if every state is taking at least 30%, and many are taking over 50%, and suddenly you have to balance the budget, what does that do? Well, that says, wait, wait, wait. You know, nobody's going to vote for a balanced budget amendment because that means every state gets their revenue stream cut in half.

[00:12:33] Either that, or they cut in half their expenditures, or either that, or they have to raise all their taxes in their states. None of them are right. Everybody looks to feed, but nobody's looking to cut expenses. Now, Doge says they are, but we don't want a more efficient tyranny being implemented on us. We want them to go back to the constitutional limits and bounds. That's what they took an oath to do.

[00:12:59] But we, the people, continue to say, yeah, well, you know, it's kind of important we have this health care thing. Or our education, do it for the kids. Do it for your grandkids. Take away all government involvement with it. Let us teach again in our homes the correct principles of, as we point out here so often, God, family, and country. And stop this nonsense of trying to steal from each other. I made a comment.

[00:13:27] Remember when we had, oh, Bannon, what's his first name? His first name eludes me. What? Say again. Steve. No, no, no, no, no. The guy we had on as a guest last Friday. Sorry, Joseph. Joe, Joe, Joe. Sorry. Okay. Yes, sir. Joe had a good interview, by the way. But the fact of the matter is I made a comment that needed more clarification. You know, we talk about, you know, who gets to go to heaven? Okay. Well, it's the people that have abided in God's principles and plans. Okay.

[00:13:55] Can any unclean thing enter the kingdom of heaven? We're told not so. And if you violate one, you violate them all. I mean, we're in a kind of a conundrum right here with all of the bad things we've got going. Yeah. Justice is a big taskmaster, huh? If, in fact, no unclean thing can enter the kingdom of heaven, what in the heart of Which that is a fact, by the way. Let's be clear. Scripturally, it's, you know, seems to be pretty well clarified there.

[00:14:20] But if you're stealing from people the eighth commandment, you mean, oh, wait a minute. I'm violating one of those major big ones, you know. And so we say that, and I say, well, and I made the comment, and I'm backing into it again right now. I said, when Bannon was on the thing, I says, you know, if you're a socialist, you can't go to heaven. And I'm sure everybody's going, what? What is this guy talking about? Government and God and what?

[00:14:44] Well, the fact of the matter is, if you use your agent, the government, that you can, by the way, this is one of the, my judgment criteria is, how would you use power if you could use it without any danger of any kind of blowback? Okay. If you could steal and not ever be caught, would you? Or murder? Or commit adultery? Or whatever. You pick your poison.

[00:15:12] But the fact is, if you use your agent, government, which has made it legal to steal, where you're redistributing wealth, so you take from one group of taxpayers and give it to others, and everybody gets stolen from, to every degree, the way we run our socialist country, and you're never going to be put in jail for it because your government has made it legal. Oh, oh, wait a minute. It's our representatives that do that. Oh, wait a minute. It's we, the people that voted them into power.

[00:15:42] If it's legal to steal and you will never get any, you know, any kind of ramifications. Legalized plunder. Zero. It is. It's legalized plunder. So if you're stealing through your agent that you put into power and you want your little goody box, and this, I'm, you know, again, I'm probably taking way too much, you know, liberties here with this thing.

[00:16:09] But the fact of the matter is, we have fallen so far that we don't even realize legalized theft. And it's plunder, as you pointed out, legalized thunder. Where the gendarmes, and Frederick Bastiat is the guy that said that term in his book, the law, the police officers are helping it happen, whether they're IRS agents or the BATFE, or, you know, there's some kind of collection agency that's stealing everything they can.

[00:16:38] Now, Washington said to have government, you have to have some taxes. But the limits and bounds on that are really pretty restrictive. If you look at the Declaration of Independence. Well, it was defensive in nature, not offensive. And they said, we're not going to make it direct taxes. It's indirect taxes. And they did their very best to raise legitimate money, but have it take the least amount of effect on your personal life and the control of your own personal prosperity.

[00:17:04] They tried to separate it from that to say, yes, we realize it exists, but it's very defensive. It's very small in nature. And it's going to fund. And then they enumerated what it was supposed to focus on and fund. But we've obliterated all that. And that's why I say, you know, hey, Abraham Lincoln made a lot of big mistakes. No question. And I'm not sure he's not going to be. I'm sure when he gets the whole story, he's not going to be too happy with a lot of his decisions. But at the same time, I say we can't blame it on one man, though. It's kind of like blaming everything on Donald or blaming everything on Biden or whatever else. We, the people, have responsibility.

[00:17:34] And the problem is it gets more and more complicated the further we go. So you look at this. Trump orders defunding of schools and universities that mandate COVID vaccines, vaccines USA Today. Now, on one hand, I support not funding any government schools. But I don't support an executive order. See, I mean, if we can debate the law and what's the law and what's not, you know, but do you support the executive order? And some will say, Sam, I don't care how he gets it done as long as it stops.

[00:18:05] Okay. But that's a double-edged sword, too, if you're not very careful. So do we like this headline, Dr. Bradley? See, that's the question, right? Well, yeah, it should have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever had to have been said. But that's the thing is that you say, you know what? Dang it. Hitler came into power. You know, those blasted communists, they were trying to burn down our parliament building, you know, the Reichstag. And you know what? Man, we've just got to give him a lot more power.

[00:18:34] And pretty soon we had national police forces, and we were marching on a path, goose-stepping, I might say, on a path that led to World War II. And we're getting close to that, too, with the FBI. They want to push it into your neighborhood, people. Well, that's the troops among us, I think, the Third Amendment.

[00:18:55] I mean, what's happening is federal troops, I'll call them that, whether they're called IRS or BATFE or FBI or whomever they are. I mean, the TSA guys, the blue shirt guys. Yeah, the T-shirt guys. Absolutely. They're at the airport. Every time you want to give a Nazi salute, it's click your heels together and yes or yes or three bags full as you go through.

[00:19:22] And they pillage your luggage. There's not a constitutional shred of authority to do what they're doing there. What's happened to the Fourth Amendment? Well, it's gone. You look at the Patriot Act, which Joe Biden and what's his name? Oh, Hatch. Orrin Hatch. Orrin Hatch. Collaborated on. I mean, holy cow. And that was primarily, I mean, it all comes from Homeland Security. It all comes from that kind of stuff.

[00:19:49] You know, see, we march along and we like to blame individuals for the problems here. So do you support Donald Trump's order to defund this? Yes or no? Yes. Okay. Let's just take the money back. But you're against the executive orders, right? I am. See, so folks, here's the point. We're in such a difficult situation that it's almost impossible to even obey every law. So the question is, how do you work your way out of this?

[00:20:16] And I agree with, hey, you stop the funding because eventually it will get better. And you have to do some not perfect acts along the way. You may. And you say, Sam, what are you talking about? Well, this dovetails into the next story that I want to talk about in great detail here. This conversation up to sets the very stage for the discussion. Here's the headline from the Epoch Times, okay? Nathan Worcester, our dear friend who's been on the radio with us several times, wrote this piece. And it's a very good one. Here it is.

[00:20:46] Republicans seek to unleash the president's power to, quote, not spend. Yeah. The Republican lawmakers want to repeal a Watergate-era law that reigns in the president's ability to not spend. This is crazy. So the headline says, Trump plans to use empowerment. I'm sorry. Impound-ment, I guess is the word. Impound-ment.

[00:21:12] Trump plans to use impoundment to cut spending. So you've got to say, well, what the heck is impoundment? In a move that could give President Donald Trump more authority, more freedom to, quote, enact his agenda, Republicans are attempting to repeal a law that ties the hands of presidents that don't want to spend the money provided by Congress. So it's a battle here. There's a term called impoundment.

[00:21:41] That's the practice of, quote, declining to spend funds provided by Congress. Okay? It goes back to Thomas Jefferson times, right? But since 1974, however, it has been, quote, tempered by the Empowerment Control Act, I guess it is. Let's see. The Empoundment Control Act, ICA is what it's called.

[00:22:08] And basically that is designed to prevent the president from not spending. I know this sounds totally backwards, but so you've got this impoundment. Some say it's a constitutional principle. Then you've got this ICA, which starts to rein that in. Now these Republicans want to abolish ICA. Okay? And so then the people who are against this plan say, wait a minute, impoundment's just like a line on a veto. You can't reject all laws but keep what you want and reject what you want. It's up or down.

[00:22:37] Same thing with spending. It's up or down. I believe there's a lot of constitutional confusion around this because of the way we're talking about it. This gives the president power to not spend money. It's very difficult to kind of navigate this. Do you want to start there, doctor, with some explanations, and then we'll dig in a little further? Well, you got me so confused now I think I'm going to hang up. Here, listen, Sam. What we're talking about. This is real discussions right now on Capitol Hill, though.

[00:23:07] But that's the problem is that we are so screwed up in terms of limits and bounds of government that we think that they can enact a law for any darn wealth thing that they want to. But here's the deal. Line item vetoed. Never, never, ever under any circumstances give a president that. In other words, ladies and gentlemen, it's completely immoral and completely unconstitutional. Don't do it because you've destroyed the balance of powers and the separation of powers the second you do. Go ahead, sir.

[00:23:35] The president becomes a supra legislator then. Let's say we've got a super warmonger president and you send a budget to him that says, you know, we've got 60% of the money going to social programs and 40% going to warfare. He signs the bill and he never, ever does anything with the, he says, I'm not going to enforce the social programs. What the Congress needs to quit doing is messing and dinking around with all that other stuff.

[00:24:04] And they have overstepped the bounds on so many ways that they've muddied the water that you go in the swamp over your neck without even knowing it. We're going to talk about impoundment. We're going to talk about this ICA. How do we get out of this stuff, ladies and gentlemen? We need to restore the appropriate separations of powers. We'll talk about it with Dr. Scott Bradley, freedomsrisingsun.com in seconds on your radio.

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[00:25:18] From Tuesday night into Wednesday night, we're going to have another round of snow that is going to dump at least an inch and maybe up to six to eight inches on parts of Kentucky. That will cause significant disruption and closures, especially depending on where we are in dealing with this flood at that point. The Rockies and the Northern Plains, bracing for a polar vortex, expected to washer in life-threatening cold.

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[00:26:14] Ukrainian leaders have said they were not invited to the meeting. They and officials in other European countries have publicly expressed frustration that U.S. officials are excluding them. Greg Clugston, Washington. And the Kremlin says the Russia-U.S. talks will take place tomorrow in Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile, European leaders have gathered in Paris today. It's an emergency meeting on the Trump administration's Ukraine initiative. They're also discussing increasing European defense spending.

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[00:31:49] that were purchased under the Congress's mandate to do that. And this thing is a you get a moving target kind of government constantly. And I am I'm just sick to death about the way everybody, you know, they don't have line out of veto, but they're exercising it effectively by not by absolutely just not paying the money to do it.

[00:32:17] You know, yeah, we're going to we're going to pay for the defense of our country. No, we're not. Congress gave you the money. Here's another one. Congress says, oh, you have authorization to use military force. You know, you've you've heard about this stuff that happened 25 years ago. And so they have an authorization to use military force. And they've been fighting wars all over the world based upon a false impression that the president can go to war any darn time he wants.

[00:32:43] So every single step of the way, we are violating the baseline principles and and we're just losing our country in great gulps. Congress. We are to say we are. So do you support impoundment? No, no. All right. Because in your mind, it's the same as a line item veto. Right. And here's the problem. Where in the Constitution does it say there's impoundment authority? Hmm. I'm going to have to go look. The answer is nowhere.

[00:33:14] Right. And so therefore, we're against impoundment. And there's a fine line here. And this is the here's where the minutia is. And they love to find these splitting hairs, fine lines, because in that they can lead people astray, doctor. But the details. Here's the. Yeah, that's right. The devil's in the details. So here's the point to me. You know, on one hand, you say, well, the president isn't making any law if he decides to say, wait a minute, Congress is spending money on something that's they don't have authority

[00:33:43] to spend money on that. So I'm not going to spend it. Does he have that right? Or does he have to spend it? Well, you know, I just I always go back to this little pamphlet that I carry in my pocket. It just seems like it's such a pesky little bigger of a thing. You know, in Article two, they have this. Stay on your mic. They have this thing that says. There you go. Yes, sir. The president. This this is an Article two in Section three, the very last couple of lines.

[00:34:11] He shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. OK, so. Yeah. So that's the debate here. So if they want to spend money on things that they shouldn't, let's say they want to appropriate money for the great state of Utah, because I'm the best senator on the planet and I suckered them all into a putting a bunch of cat cash in my kitty. So now, hey, can the president say, no, we're not giving that money to Utah. Uh, there's no precedent for that. Congress is off their wing.

[00:34:39] Sam, I don't know what senator you're doing, but you got this. But I'm not going to do that. I'm not. I'm not going to release those funds. Can the president do that? You know, I just read this thing about he takes care of that. He executes the laws. You know, it's it's faithfully. And there's no faith. That's right. He would say that's a bad law, though. You can't give money to one state. It's unfair. It's pulling the lever. I'm not going to spend it. So the point that I'm getting at is there's a little bit of latitude here, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:35:09] But if you start using terms like impoundment to cut spending, what is it? And then you say, hey, known as impoundment. That's the practice of declining to spend funds provided by Congress. It does date back to Jefferson. It is to some degree a principle. Meaning they've defined it as such, but it's not a constitutional delegated principle. That's the problem, doctor. And the fact of the matter is that the president is the executive.

[00:35:38] The president right now, for example, people say he has no authority constitutionally to audit anybody. OK, well, the fact of the matter is he has the responsibility, I guess I should say, that that he may. OK. Let's look at Article 2, Section 2, just the first few lines. He may require the opinion in writing of the principal office of each officer, excuse me,

[00:36:05] of each of the executive departments upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices. OK, so here we have Homeland Security or Health and Human Services or, you know, the Treasury or Defense, whatever. Yeah, but you can't take advice from all kinds of unconstitutionally appointed thugs either. Well, that's the issue is do you have to have your auditors all federally constitutional?

[00:36:34] So here's what I would say about this. The idea that the president has to faithfully execute the laws does denote that he has some authority to not spend money if he believes that it's socialist or wrong or they've, you know, they've, you know, put that money in the kitty without authority. He has some latitude because he has to faithfully execute the laws. Here's the problem, in my opinion. They've taken a capability that the president has in very limited moral situations and they've

[00:37:02] exploited that power, they've weaponized that power known as impoundment. And now they pretend the president has that authority and he's been exercising and increasing that authority so much that in 1974 they had to create the ICA which says let's temper his abuse of this. Fine. But neither the tempering of it or the increase, the weaponization of it are constitutionally justified. Neither of them. And so the reason I bring this up is there's a bill right now. Republicans in the House and Senate, Senator Mike Lee of Utah.

[00:37:33] And Representative Andrew Clyde put this together. And they introduced Senate and House versions of their bill striking down the ICA Watergate era act. So the problem is I don't support the empowerment or I don't support the impoundment, but I also don't support the repeal of this. But I mean, you got to get it off the book somehow. But if you do, then the president becomes unshackled to continue to weaponize this.

[00:38:03] Well, it started out a very limited moral issue that wasn't even called out as power, but there's some sense to it to now weaponizing that. So getting rid of ICA will only further weaponize that and concentrate more power in the president's hands. Which is the how do you get out of this, doctor? Well, we're going to we got into it over many years. We're going to have to extract ourselves a bit at a time. And here's the deal. The president does absolutely take an oath to the best of his ability to preserve, protect,

[00:38:32] and defend the Constitution of the United States. I believe that the president can take he needs to take the pulpit on this thing, have fireside chats, whatever. I hate to take anything from FDR's playbook, but fireside chats with the American people regularly and say, listen, folks, the limits and bounds of the Constitution are very, very clearly spelled out. Legislature does this. The president does this. We're all bound by the Constitution.

[00:39:00] We all take an oath to do that. These things are out of line. You guys need to talk to your representatives. I'll tell you what happened in 1968. Lyndon Johnson did this through surrogates, if you will. Lyndon Johnson sent six cowboys. That's a little bit of an overstatement. There were silver screen cowboys that he sent them out to the late night talk shows.

[00:39:26] And they were the ones that convinced the American people to call their representatives and say, you've got to pass this 1968 Gun Control Act. Here we had these manly men that were on the silver screen that knew how to do their shooting irons that were saying, we've got to have some common sense gun control. I mean, come on, people. Call your senator. Tell them to vote for this. That's how we got the 1968 Gun Control Act. And everybody would be shocked as to who these cowboys were.

[00:39:56] Everybody thought they were, you know, manly men that were standing for truth, justice, and the American way. But everybody, including Charlton Heston, later became the president of the NRA. Those six cowboys convinced the American public to call their senator. They rang their phones off the hook, said, vote for this 68 Gun Control law.

[00:40:21] And we have had the right of the people to keep and bear arms being infringed. That's another one of the big movements that did that. I think the president needs to take this to the people and help them understand, in a correct and proper way, the limits and bounds so that the people can begin to claw back, if you will, a century and a half. I mean, certainly since Abraham Lincoln, of stuff that has destroyed our liberty across this land.

[00:40:51] And so if I was president, I would have a weekly fireside chat or something of that nonsense, not trying to, you know, mirror what FDR did. But somehow he can talk to us from the Oval Office and talk about where the country's going and why it's got problems and how we can solve them. And it all goes back to that baseline formula. And he took an oath to it. The Congress critters took an oath to it. The courts took an oath to it.

[00:41:18] And there needs to be a very clarifying moment where you say, well, wait a minute. This is way beyond the authority that I took an oath to act within. And here's what we need to do, people. And it needs to be, the onion needs to start to be skinned. And we're not going to do it, putting it off and putting it off and putting it off and putting it off. You know, 15 years from now, somebody's going to start something, maybe. But 15 years from now, I don't know if we've got 15 years the way the country's going.

[00:41:47] So, yeah, we the people are responsible. We talked about this in the first half hour. We the people are the ones that are really at blame. You know, Pogo, I bring it up occasionally, and most of your listeners probably never even have heard of it. It was a little political cartoon that was in the newspapers starting about 1948 and went into the mid-'70s. And he said, we have met the enemy, and he is us. That's exactly it.

[00:42:15] Our representatives are doing to us what we elected them to do, but they're doing it to themselves and their grandkids, too. And everybody is out of line on this thing. And by the way, no question. And that's why I bring it up because it's so convoluted. Listen to me carefully, ladies and gentlemen. The Constitution does not, I'm going to say it again, does not provide the president the power to impound funds appropriated by Congress. It's like a line on a veto. He doesn't have authority. But here's the problem.

[00:42:42] In a statement, Senate Appropriation Committee Democrats say the presidents don't get to pick and choose which parts of laws they feel like following.

[00:42:54] Now, see, I have a problem with that because each person has an obligation and an oath to the Constitution, to uphold the Constitution, to protect it from enemies foreign and domestic, to honor the Constitution, which means carry out their duties defined therein and not cross lines. Okay, that is the duty of each person.

[00:43:16] Well, if Congress passes, for example, like the IRS, for instance, and it's judge, jury, and executioner, and it's unconstitutional, let's all get out because it's direct taxes against the founding fathers' intent. If I was the president, I would not spend money on the IRS. I'd simply say we're not going to carry out that law. It's a bogus law, and it's got to stop. I'm the chief executive. You have no authority to pass that law in the first place. I'm going to provide a check. Now you'd have to go to the courts to resolve that difference, right?

[00:43:43] And they'll probably side then with the Congress and say, hey, you have to carry out. Okay, that's the problem we're facing is that these people have weaponized these branches of government using these branches against each other in very destructive ways. The very thing that was intended to uphold our nation and protect our nation is now being weaponized. So the president doesn't have to carry out laws that are unconstitutional. Neither does Sheriff Mack, and the Supreme Court proves it.

[00:44:09] But Republicans in the House and the Senate now want to repeal ICA. Well, if you do, then the president gets too much power with this impoundment idea. The only way to rein it back, doctor, is for a moral people. And I don't think we have moral presidents they're willing to live within their, quote, defined enumerated jurisdiction right now. They're not willing to. And that's really the problem here, right? Well, Congress has a responsibility to do that, too, and so does the court. They do.

[00:44:38] And Jefferson wrote extensively about this, how everybody within their own purview, universe, jurisdiction, whatever you want to call it, takes an oath to uphold the Constitution. And any time we start people operating out of bounds, and trust me, I said, hey, you've got me so confused, I'm going to hang up or we're going to go our way. I say that facetiously, but I say it in kind of full-throat in many ways. Everything that's going on. You're not going to hang up, but you are pointing to the real problem. Right.

[00:45:08] Exactly. Exactly. Everybody is trying to confuse and conflict, and it's like, no, we have a map. I mean, the Constitution is it. You've heard me talk a number of times probably about when you get lost, the first thing you do is you sit down. You look at your back trail. You look at your map. You don't lose your head. You look at your resources. All of these things will help us find our way back.

[00:45:32] You don't just take off running willy-nilly through the briars and the brambles and the deadfall and the cricks and everything and falling down. That's right. You get lost. You get more lost, and that's what we're doing now is we are getting more lost every single step. And you get frustrated and angry and worried and paralyzed and in fear, and then you make worse decisions the further you go. In my mind, what should happen when the IRS occurred in the first place? The president should say, American people, I want to address you right now.

[00:46:00] I believe this is an absolutely unconstitutional law, and I'm simply not going to carry that law out. I have to carry out the laws faithfully, and right now Congress has proven to be an enemy of the Constitution. They have passed a law that obliterates the separation of powers, creates judge, jury, and executioner. American people, I need you to riot, not physically but peacefully, to your congressmen and senators. I need you to absolutely get them to overturn this.

[00:46:28] Okay, that's the way we should be going about this, and the president can say temporarily I'm going to halt this because he does have some pretty good latitude temporarily speaking. But at the end of the day, the people need to back their representatives and say, look, you guys have blown it on this one. You're out on your ear if you don't fix this right now. And so the American people have been taken out of the game. And then what we want is term limits because we say, oh, the American people aren't involved enough to hold their people. Look, we have term limits every two years for all congressmen. Okay, we have it every six years for senators. We have it every four years for the president.

[00:46:56] We have term limits if we vote them out. But what we want to do is say I can't really step up and do my responsibility, meaning we the people. Then Congress does the same. They say, well, golly, we can't step up and stop the president or we can't do this or we – the president could do that. And we've given them a broad authority to do this and that, and it's all obliterated. What you've got to do is go back and use the court of public opinion to insist the checks and balances work. So if I'm president, I'm saying I'm putting a halt to this because you guys need a little breather. Congress is way out of line here, American people.

[00:47:26] You've got to support me in this. And they can – the people could force Congress back to the drawing board on that, number one. Number two, I could just simply say I'm not going to sign the thing either. So I won't sign it. Therefore, it's dead. Now, okay, so there's a lot of ways to do this. But we've got to think about the Constitution and delegated responsibility. This term called impoundment or whatever else, I don't support it because it then weaponizes and grants a power that does not exist.

[00:47:56] So do I want to get rid of ICA? Yes. But if you get rid of ICA, all you're going to do is give more power to the president, and impoundment is going to become a real thing by de facto. That's another problem, doctor. So we've got a lot to worry about, and the answer is for the people to get involved in very productive, meaningful ways. I'm against Lee on this one. I think he's off his rock. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not for the ICA either.

[00:48:20] But the only reason the ICA exists is because presidents have gone crazy with this impoundment idea thinking they can do whatever they want to. Where's the limits and bounds? And the answer is they're only in the moral code of ethics. They're only in the reality of the day-to-day of how involved all the checks and balances are working together. And fundamental checks and balances have failed and been disassembled, and therefore we've got the problem that we've got, doctor. Well, let's go back to the IRS for just a second. The 17th Amendment probably was never ratified, first of all. So we the people didn't plot. 16th, you mean?

[00:48:50] 16th, sorry. 17th Amendment should have never been ratified either. That too. Yeah. But the fact of the matter is that the 16th Amendment probably was never ratified. And the fact of the matter is that responsibility really has to, we have to have people of integrity that certify such things. The fact that it was called certified shows you how easy it is to pull a wool over the eyes and get amendments that are improper.

[00:49:16] You know, the 16th, 17th, 18th Amendments, 14th Amendment, all of them a disaster. And then Congress should have looked at their oath of office and said, I am not going to impose this upon my people. And if they did do that, you know, my grandchildren will not live under, you know, this 16th Amendment nonsense. When if they did violate their oath of office, the president should have upheld his oath of office and vetoed it.

[00:49:42] See, there's many checks and balances that are there, but we have gotten so sloppy. And by the way, you know, 120 years ago, there was a lot more constitutionally minded people than there are today. And they tricked everybody back then. And right now, nobody's paying attention. And we are getting the wool pulled over our eyes at every turn. Well, what we're doing is ruling by executive order and we're ruling by committee. Both of them are unconstitutional.

[00:50:09] And the president, the president cannot legislate anything. Article one, section one, you know, all legislative authority is within the the purview of the legislature. And they can only they can only legislate within the limits and bounds of their constitutional authority. And those are defined largely in the article one, section eight. Now, there's some other little things of article one, section five and article one, section, excuse me, article four and article five. We have read it.

[00:50:39] It says here's what's to happen. And for example, let's just take article four, this idea of getting rid of the Panama Canal. They violated the Constitution when they did that because Congress, the House did not have any any involvement in that. Now, the debate is should we take it back or control it back or what should we do? And it's kind of Gaza Strip-esque. You know, Trump just thinks he can do whatever he wants to do. And that's this empowerment that's been or impoundement.

[00:51:07] I'm sorry, empowering the president, weaponizing this this whole idea. Faithfully executing your responsibilities doesn't mean that you just do whatever you want to. It does mean if there needs to be a check on congressional actions because they don't have authority, that needs to be done. But I submit to you that the president can act and then he can get the American people involved and say you've got a way on your representatives. They they shouldn't be doing this in the first place.

[00:51:30] And I just think what we want to do is we want for expediency to obliterate all those checks and balances and say we'll get back to that when when it's peaceful or when it's easy. No, that's not the time. This is the time to demand on it when everything is tough, when everything seems off the rails. Go back and say, hey, president, you know what? We reject this ICA. OK, so on one hand, you can say Lee and those guys are smart to get rid of it. But unless it is companioned with this understanding, the president doesn't have the right in the first place to go crazy.

[00:51:59] What we're doing is we're creating these pretend legislation pieces that take us further and further away from what the Constitution says. The answer is look at the Constitution, not in all these nefarious guidelines and manipulations they put in place way down the line after the fact, doctor. Well, that's the problem. Here's here. I'll just read you a little something. I mean, I know we're running out of time and, you know. George Washington farewell address.

[00:52:28] If in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong wrong wrong. OK, if the powers of the Constitution are wrong, says let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation.

[00:52:48] For though this in one instance may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. OK, so here's the deal. We're destroying our free government because it's an expedient thing. There's something that's really good. We've got to just do it. And no, this is the customary weapon by which our free government is destroyed. You've got to you look at the document and you say, where's it wrong in the document?

[00:53:17] Oh, it's not wrong. How about that, sports fans? So we live by it. Nobody that I ever, ever at any time talk to can point out a flaw in the Constitution. What they're doing is say, well, the president did this or the Congress did that or the courts did this. Oh, we have a we have an overrun budget. We have unconstitutional wars. You can pick any subject you want, but not one of those things is a result of a bad Constitution. It's a result of bad people elected by bad constituents.

[00:53:48] But we the people have got to ultimately say we've got to go back to this original intent of the American Founding Fathers. Amen to that. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't mean to make this so difficult, but we are in a quandary. So are you forced getting rid of this weird law, Dr. Bradley? You know what? I don't even understand what the heck they're talking about, to tell you the truth. I want to read the law, but they've polluted the whole process. They have.

[00:54:17] So that's where we are right now. We have legislature and executive courts that think they got it all together and they're just way off in the weeds. Republicans in the House and Senate now want to repeal ICA. Well, I think it should be repealed, but if you just repeal that and you don't deal with the other side of the thing and rein back the president, neither. We're just so far afield, folks. We've got to return to the supreme law of the land, shall we?

[00:54:46] God save the republic. God save the republic.