Radio Show Hour 1 – 02/12/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans, Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news that it refused to use, no doubt, starts now. This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for February the 12th in the year of our Lord 2025.

[00:00:40] This is Hour 1 of 2, the goal always to protect life, liberty, and property, to promote God, family, and country. Using the checks and balances brilliantly put in place by the Founding Fathers in the Supreme Law that I am, our guide, the Constitution for the United States of America. As you know, we reject revolution unless it's a Jesus revolution. Then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace. All right, the Big Mig on tap. Ladies and gentlemen, Lance Migliaccio with me. Welcome back to the broadcast, sir. Hey, thanks for having me, Sam.

[00:01:09] Ready to go, shake and bake. That's what we do here. All right. George is not with us. He's actually out of the field building studios. So, you know, there you go. Enjoying the sunshine, too. He's got a little warmth down there. He's in West Palm Beach, Florida. Yeah, he needs that, right? It's not all bad. Amen to that. Before we get to our guest really quick, I got a bunch of stories. I'm not going to cover them now. We'll do that after the guest. The guest is too important. But I do want to bring up one thing.

[00:01:37] You know, Trump basically has been really there for, what, three weeks now, as far as I can tell? Congress has been there for like five weeks now, something like that. And what I see is a dereliction of duty in the Congress. I see that they're simply not even really at the table. I don't know what these clowns are doing, but you've got 435 people that control the purse strings in the United States. You've got 100 people in the Senate. So, 535 people.

[00:02:05] They claim they're all over Donald Trump's agenda. I don't see it. I see they've approved a couple of people. It's been a massive battle. I get all that. I understand. But you would think that you would work hard all day, every day. These clowns come in at noon. They go on recess. I don't even know what they do. Nevertheless, Donald Trump trying to do the very best he can. And I'm not here to criticize Trump in this case. However, I do have a concern. You know, Congress should be backing Trump's play.

[00:02:34] Congress should be saying, hey, President Trump wants to defund this. They claim the courts claim that, you know, Elon Musk can't audit this, can't end that. Trump can end whatever expenditures he chooses. He can say, I'm the chief executive and I'm not spending that money. Until we find out, is it legitimately authorized by Congress? Or have we created massive slush funds and Congress puts money in slush funds and we spend whatever we want whenever we want to? Anyway, I digress, except I want to say this.

[00:03:04] Congress needs to put together resolutions, guidance, laws, legislation that backs President Trump. And when the courts say, oh, Trump can't have Elon do this, can't do that, block this, block that, the courts need to come down from their high horse and be impeached. They don't have authority to make law. And they're not just interpreting the law. They're literally making law for the bench. These judges need to be impeached. Elon Musk referred to this reality check.

[00:03:31] Furthermore, though, Congress needs to double down and back Trump's play and say, listen, Trump had to do this by executive order because we are in emergency situations. However, we're going to back what he does legislatively. And now the courts don't have a leg to stand on. But what you've got is Mike Johnson being the hooray guy for Donald Trump, claiming that he supports everything he does. Congress not being willing to go along, whatever. So we're basically ending up with rule by executive order.

[00:03:59] I am not comfortable with rule by executive order, even if it's the right thing to do. In other words, I support Trump's move. I see the necessity. And the reason that I'm not for rule by executive order is because whatever you can put in place by executive order, you can also get rid of by executive order. One man win, one man lose kind of a thing. And you see the seesaw with Biden and Trump. Trump did great first term in office with a lot of great things. But every bit of it got reversed. Now every bit of Joe Biden's clown show got reversed.

[00:04:27] See, we're just subject to these wins without Congress stepping up and carrying out their role. I think they all ought to be fired, Lance. You know, I think it's really accurate what you just said. You know, my issue is it doesn't surprise me. Cowards and traitors is what I think about this, you know, this congressional group. And we're seeing patterns of the same thing they've been doing for so very long. The Democrats are really showing their hand here, Sam. They don't want any of this to go through because I think they're all benefiting one way or another.

[00:04:57] Whether it's friends or family that got money from USAID, like Chelsea Clinton getting $84 million. Or any of their pet projects that probably have, you know, sleight of hand movements of money into their own accounts down the road or into offshore accounts. I don't know if you saw this this morning. I think it's interesting. You know, years ago, do you remember when all the mainstream media used to love to use and they would do it as a group. It would come out in force. It's a threat to our democracy. Yes, of course. And without evidence. They do this. Yeah, without evidence.

[00:05:25] And you'd see it on every single news station as if they'd all been handed a script. And in fact, they were handed a script. Well, the new script, I just caught it. Elon Musk was talking about this morning. Now the new tagline is, this is a genuine constitutional crisis. It's a genuine constitutional crisis. And they're all reverberating this same statement. It doesn't matter what democratic shill it is, what controlled media organization or what shills they're paying online.

[00:05:53] These grifters on social media that take money from different agencies or super PACs. But that's the new thing, constitutional crisis. They have shown themselves to be, they don't care about the country. They don't care about the people. The stuff that they're funding is so ridiculous that even you and I, when we talk about it, we just don't even believe it's possible, Sam, that they'd be funding garbage like this. That's right. And so the problem in my mind, I do believe they're right on the fact that we have a constitutional crisis. However, I believe they're into misdirection, though.

[00:06:23] They want to make you believe that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are the reason for this constitutional crisis. I think Congress and their inaction and their unwillingness to demand separation of powers is the problem. And so what do I mean by that? Well, you know what? What do the people want? They gave a mandate to President Trump to decrease spending. Okay. And so Trump's been forced to rule by executive order, which I have concerns about. Like I told you, it could be overturned in two seconds.

[00:06:52] And whatever envelope you push in this executive order plan, all you do is give the next president the ability to do the same. So the next thing you know is you'll get the opposite of doge by the next clown president that wants to spend us into oblivion. And then they'll say, well, hey, the past president, you know, use this power. So you can't check the power of the executive branch. What we need to do is check the power of the executive branch by making all three branches of government work together in a meaningful way, providing checks and balances. Hey, Trump, your executive order stands.

[00:07:22] But you know what? We're going to congressionally back that up. For example, Donald Trump rightly calls for the shutdown of FEMA. It's a clown show. It was used to basically fund illegal immigrants. They say that's, you know, misrepresented or not true. Okay, they're lying. It doesn't matter what expenditure we talk about. We can't even agree on what the line item is. Never mind there's a check written for it or a transfer of money related to it. They claim it's different than we claim it is. And so, hey, the minutia is there.

[00:07:51] But at the end of the day, Trump wants to shut down this government agency that's not constitutional. So headline says from The New York Times, Johnson is backing Trump and undercutting Congress. New York Times. Well, I'm not a New York Times fan, but I bring this up because it's true. Johnson is, on one hand, backing Trump and undercutting Congress because he's saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Trump's right. Congress is saying, no, no, no. We hold back on a lot of what Trump's saying.

[00:08:21] But Johnson's not really backing Trump. What Johnson's doing is trying to play the game in the middle and pretend he's for Trump. But if he was really for Trump, he would stand with Trump, put legislation together, whether they be resolutions to back something Trump's doing that he has authority to do, or whether it be legislative authority to do things that are necessary. For example, does shutting down FEMA require congressional authority? You know, we can debate that until the cows come home.

[00:08:49] But you would put legislation in the hopper. And so when Mike Johnson's interviewed in the press, he would say, yes, Trump did this by emergency because he needed to. We've got a crisis. At the same time, we put legislation in place. Now, look, we've got this many people going along with what we put in place. These clowns are not willing to go along. He's not doing that. What he's doing is shirking his responsibility, acting like he's a yes man for Trump. But he's literally obfuscating his congressional obligations.

[00:09:19] The congressional branch of government is simply not even in the mix, Lance. They're not even there. They're not doing anything at all. But that's been what they've done for so very long. You had one side of the aisle that would actively looks like they're trying to destroy the country from within. And then you had the other side of the aisle stomping their feet and saying, we're going to hold a commission. We're going to hold another hearing. We're going to subpoena this person. No bite in the dog. No consequences. No accountability.

[00:09:48] And the truth of the matter is, even when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, like insider trading, they have tried to operate and put things in place that allow them to act like they're above the law. If you and I are in insider trade, Sam, we go immediately to jail. Do not get out. Do not get out of jail. No free card. It's a commitment to go. And the point is, that's what's happening. When you have the accountability and the oversight being controlled by the government within itself, that's the fox guarding the hen house.

[00:10:18] I mean, look what's going on with the DOJ. The OPR, who supervises allegedly prosecutorial misconduct for the DOJ. Yeah, of course, it's a DOJ department. Penn, Public Integrity Division, they're supposed to do the same thing. Guess what? DOJ department. Civil Rights Division, they're supposed to observe whether or not defendants have had their civil rights violated DOJ Division. And it goes on and on. OIG. How do you have the same department supervising the same department? It's impossible. That won't work successfully.

[00:10:47] Well, and that's why it's unconstitutional, because it all violates the checks and balances. And that's my point. Congress needs to come to the table. And what Mike Johnson needs to do is back Trump, not in word, not in babble, by shirking his responsibility. But indeed, he needs to say, look, for example, Donald Trump wants to abolish FEMA. We agree 100%. It's unconstitutional. Here's our simple one-line, one-subject-at-a-time bill to abolish FEMA. It's an up or down vote. We're voting now. We're not going to twist arms. We're not going to play games.

[00:11:15] We're just going to put everybody on record of who's for and against. And then what we're going to do is we're going to openly rally for those who supported it and absolutely against those who continue to shirk their duty and focus on unconstitutional expenditures and government agencies that are flat-out abusive to the people. Okay, that's what you've got to do. You've got to put word and deed together here, not just be a yes-man and nod your head

[00:11:40] and then let the New York Times lie and say, oh, Johnson's backing Trump and undercutting Congress. Well, that's not true. He's just not doing his job, so he's undercutting the people. And he's having Congress shirk their duty and turn too much authority over to the president. We need to have the checks and balances in sync, people, and you're not going to win by blurring the checks and balances. That's not how this – because all it will do is backfire in the end. Even if your intentions are good, it's disaster.

[00:12:08] Anyway, we've spent enough time on this. Why don't you bring our guest on, Lance? Listen, I'm excited. We've got Jordan Gurdreau joining us. He's an ex-Green Beret. And this is a really interesting story I came upon, and I think it's really important that it gets out there. We're talking about Operation Gideon. And for the people in the audience that aren't sure what that is, of course, that was the attempted coup on Maduro. And, of course, that's the Venezuelan president. This is interesting because I'm going to tell you this.

[00:12:38] What I believe is going on here, and Jordan is going to kind of stitch it together with us, and I want the audience to listen closely because it's a relatively complicated story. I believe that this was an operation that was created by people like Michael Pence, Gina Haspel. Of course, you know she was the ex-head of the CIA. John Bolton and Mike Pompeo and others.

[00:13:02] And I believe it was their plan to discredit the Trump presidency during his term in office when he was 45. And I believe they've kind of redone this story. Now they've gone after Jordan four and a half years later, and they indicted him because, of course, the coup was a failed attempt. But I want him to get into the details because clearly he knows the story the best of all. But pay close attention because I believe they put this into full swing, Sam,

[00:13:28] and they're going to try to use it again as an attempt to impeach Donald Trump and or discredit his administration this time, round two. So, Jordan, thanks for joining us, brother. We really appreciate it. Yeah, no, great. Thanks for having me. Really appreciate it. So, Jordan, maybe get a Cliff Notes version of your background. Before we get started, though, I just have one question for Jordan of kind of interest in stuff. How does this stuff go sideways like this?

[00:13:53] Who in the deep state makes decisions to sanction something and then pull the plug and leave innocent, in many ways, Americans and well-intended Americans or Americans that are literally under their oath of office? In other words, hey, they're hired by the government to do something or whatever else. How does this all of a sudden change and leave people holding the bag and stuff? Give me a little behind-the-scenes deep state. What on earth happened? How does this happen? So, that's a great question.

[00:14:23] It takes a few things. It takes hierarchy. It takes planning. And it takes institutional resources. Right? And so, when you look at it, and I just want to leave it there because there's a lot of pieces to this and there's a long timeline. But ultimately, the CIA had assets in the room from the outset. They were carefully monitoring this.

[00:14:47] And at the very end, when they saw a target of opportunity, which was to sabotage this operation and make Donald Trump look bad in the media, they jumped at it. And so, that's really what this takes. It takes certain people in powerful positions in government, in the CIA, Secretary of State. Obviously, a lot of these individuals have CIA backgrounds.

[00:15:12] Bill Barr, for instance, who put the linchpin on my operation on a Maduro wanted list, which ultimately sabotaged the strategic level of the operation. Then you have Mike Pompeo, obviously Secretary of State. And so, there's a lot of – and Gina Haspel, CIA director at the time, who – there's a great Wired article that discusses just how fragmented and how anti-Trump Gina Haspel and the CIA were

[00:15:39] and how they were undermining President Trump at the time. And so, there's a plethora of evidence that supports what Lance said, which was this was an operation that was built, curated by the CIA to damage the Trump presidency. And now, four and a half years later, which obviously the judge thought it was very confusing why four and a half years later we were going through this.

[00:16:06] And now, yeah, this is a thorn in the side of President Trump. And it will only become worse and worse as time goes on. Lance? Well, look, you know, this isn't the first time they've done this. You know, I used to be a government contractor years ago. And I worked for, you know, multi-agency task force. And I also worked for multiple governments training teams in CQB and diplomatic security

[00:16:34] and facility security and the list goes on. But I can tell you that this is the model. And I think Jordan just got caught in their crosshairs. Because when you look at this operation and the way it was planned, so you got here's the background a little bit. In 2019, he was recruited by Keith Schiller and Nestor Sains. And, of course, that was supposed to be authorization from VP Mike Pence. Now, there's all these attachments, Sam. We say, oh, well, VP Mike Pence was involved. And they say, well, how do you know that? Well, for example, VP Mike Pence's attorney was in the middle of this deal.

[00:17:05] He seemed to be part of the negotiated process all the way through. There were lots of allegations of people meeting in SCIFs to determine this was sanctioned by the U.S. and they were going to move forward with it. Of course, it's common for the government to use cutouts or to use government contractors. Because what's the key response to that? Because they want deniable accountability for these actions. So they use companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, Wackenhut, G4S, Sabre, United Defense. They hire contractors.

[00:17:34] Those contractors get their agreements put in place. And, of course, there's multi-layers in those agreements. And sometimes a contractor hires another contractor. But when you start looking at the CIA assets that were worth energy in a haspel and Juan Cruz and the way they infiltrated and sabotaged this operation, it falls right into that textbook model. Put it together, and if you don't like the way it's going or if you want to use it for political motivation or for the ability to manipulate the news to tell a story that isn't necessarily true,

[00:18:04] then what you do is you go ahead and sabotage the event. And, of course, that will undermine a presidency. It will undermine a country's leadership. This is what they do on a regular basis. And it doesn't surprise me that high-level figures like Mike Pompeo, Bolton, Elliot Abrams were all aware of the operation, and yet now they're doing the deniable accountability thing. This is textbook, Sam. It's textbook on one hand, and I understand it, and I agree that it happens all the time.

[00:18:31] What I don't quite understand is how people get caught in this snare over and over, and there's no accountability. Do you think at some point we can create accountability on this thing? Do you think at some point with Trump and the presidency, with maybe Kash Patel leading the FBI, Jordan, do you believe that somehow we're going to have truth to power on this,

[00:18:57] or is this just going to be, hey, we whistleblow, we report on it, we tell the truth, we lay it out, and the thugs are above the law and the rest of us get hosed? When is that really where we still are, or do you think there'll be a sea change here? Well, so here's the reality, right? There's two tracks to this. There's obviously, you know, there has to be some, there's classified information on the CIA side, and so that has to be revealed, right, for there to be actual disclosure. We have to get to that. So let me stop you there with a question.

[00:19:27] When you say there's classified material, is it justifiably classified, or are we playing games with this classified idea to where anything they want to hide, cover up, manipulate, pervert, you know, is classified? What are we talking about? Because I support appropriate classification when necessary. However, I think it's massively abused. Okay, here's the classified information that's necessary. Classified information that would have impacts on tactical operations or strategic maneuvers real time,

[00:19:55] that is classified information as pertains to operational matters that really are going to impact lives. And justly so, right? That's a super subset of classified information. But that's justly so, let's be clear, right? Right, yeah, let's be honest. Okay, go ahead. So whether the government killed JFK or not, look, that should have been disclosed, you know, close to what, like a century ago, right, where are we at in time right now? But it's a game, and these games are played.

[00:20:24] And what's more is they've had 80 years plus what to cover it up with JFK, and that's just an example. But all of these things, and so now there's disclosure after how many decades? So the reality is this needs to be disclosed. People need to understand. In a court of law, and so this is the other part of it. This is the second track. A court of law, federal courts of law are built to protect government agencies. They exist. They weren't set up for that, but that is their function nowadays.

[00:20:51] And so when you're looking at a federal judge, they are trying to protect government agencies. This was true when I was working and I had my TSSCI clearances. There's always a lawyer in the room that's protecting guys like me to do our jobs. Now my function is military. And the people that lawyers are trying to protect me from are going to be foreign individuals.

[00:21:15] But in the States, I think it's a miscarriage of justice that courts, federal courts are set up to protect government agencies and to not provide disclosure. It should be the opposite. But I digress. Here we are. And so the DOJ, the Department of Justice, and you asked me the first question. I think this is going to hit the nail on the head. First question you asked is, is this going to be meet the new boss same as the old boss?

[00:21:43] Well, if it is, then it's going to be a real problem after four years. Because if nothing has changed in, let's just, let's pick on one department, the DOJ, which has the FBI, which, I mean, these guys get away with murder, literally. You know, Waco killed 80 people, 18 of which were kids, gave each other awards. But it was supposed to stop with Janet Reno. Turned out to be a big old I-zero accountability. Go ahead. Right. Okay. So we have an institution of secret police in the United States who get awards for killing Americans who are innocent. You have Ruby Ridge.

[00:22:12] And then with the latest, you've seen the J6. Lon Horiuchi, clearly a murderer, protected by your government, right? Right. Exactly. So this is not okay. I mean, this is what we see in these other, these countries that we're trying to help, you know, stabilize and liberate. But at home, that's what we're dealing with. Now, obviously, what I'd say about that is you have a lot of, you have Hollywood and entities that are media entities trying to spin, constantly spin these institutions into something good, right? I mean, look on Netflix right now for the CIA.

[00:22:42] There's two CIA shows on there. So it's trying to spin these agencies into something good. And look, Hollywood has a government subsidized program that pays for these shows that essentially try to spin some kind of positive, you know, the CIA and the FBI in a positive light. And so what we fight now is this huge mind war, which these entities, these institutions are doing these diabolical schemes and things. And we've seen this time and time again.

[00:23:11] But the American people have to decide between, you know, comfort and the idea and the, you know, do they want to believe, like Americans want to believe that their institutions are real and they're working their benefits. And they don't want to believe that there are these terrible organizations that are just going out there and doing whatever they want and feeding political will and desire. So this is the war in America. And it's really, you know, it's really disheartening, especially for a soldier like me.

[00:23:39] And ladies and gentlemen, this war is not only domestic in scope, but it's international in scope. Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking to Jordan Gowdrow, a former U.S. Army Special Forces Green Beret. Okay. He worked for the government for a long time. Then he went private sector and was a contractor with his own company for quite a while. What we're talking about is the weaponization of the federal government against Jordan.

[00:24:08] The question is, why, who, how does this go on in America? Will we ever see a change to that? We'll discuss Operation Gideon. Yeah, we'll tell you about that and a whole lot more. Lance Miliacho with me. TheBigMig.com. The big Migs everywhere, ladies and gentlemen, including on Liberty Roundtable Live along with Jordan. Back in seconds, hard-hitting talk straight ahead on your radio.

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[00:30:12] Casting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Welcome back to Liberty Roundtable Live with your host, Sam Bushman, and of course myself, Lance Migliaccio, because you know we are the tip of the spear. Of course, we believe it's better to be hurt by the truth than comforted with a lie.

[00:30:37] We're also joined by ex-Green Beret Special Forces operator Jordan Gaudreau. And I want to talk about, just for a minute, coups. You know, the U.S., I know, has a long history of involvement in coups. You know, they've been driven by economic and, of course, geopolitical interests, often under the guise, I believe, of promoting democracy. From the CIA-backed overthrow, you've got to look at Iran's prime minister, Mohamed Mossadij, in 1953. Of course, the ousting of Chile's Salvador Allende in 1973.

[00:31:08] We've seen the U.S. repeatedly use covert operations, government contractors, black budget funding and military support. Of course, the destabilized governments, you know, the challenge at strategic interests, maybe under the guise of a threat to our democracy. But, of course, there's lots of patterns that have emerged. You've seen it in Guatemala in 54, the Belgian Congo in 61, Indonesia in 65. And, of course, my opinion, more recently in Ukraine, 2014, with the installed presidency of Zelensky,

[00:31:38] you know, that's when political, financial and intelligence-backed interventions, they always play a key role in these regime changes. And you have to know that. You have to realize that the U.S. government is operating behind the scenes. Let's face it. The Department of Defense has failed their last seven audits, unable to identify where the money's been used or where it went. And, of course, I believe that's because those are black budget operations. We just saw some crazy stuff with USAID.

[00:32:04] We've seen funding for ridiculous events all across the globe that make no sense for the interest of the American people. But when you think about these direct military actions or economic warfare or these, you know, covert destabilization events, these coups, you know, have resulted in a lot of authoritarian, you know, regime changes. Of course, it's economic exploitation, you know, whether it be from assets that are secured for the world banking institutions. And, of course, they cause long-term instability, which allows the U.S.

[00:32:34] and I believe the military-industrial complex to benefit from it. Jordan, I know they always claim that it's for national security interests or for global stability, right? What do you feel like? I know that they came to you, and I want to give – I know we kind of jumped right into the story. Give the audience a little bit of your military background because I want you to realize you aren't just some fly-by-night rogue, you know, militia, military guy or like the terms they love to use. Of course, you know, they like to discredit you with those.

[00:33:03] Give a little of your background and how this event started to come together. Who first approached you? Sure, yeah. So I was – you know, I started in the Canadian Army, and then after college I came here. I have a degree in computers. Came to the United States. I enlisted six months before 9-11, did my initial battery of training, and then went to Ranger School. 9-11 kicks off. I go to Green Beret selection, successful, and then some follow-on training.

[00:33:33] Then it's basically GWAT. A lot of the training we get as Green Berets is some of us are selected to do intelligence-based training. Some of us are accredited to what a CIA case officer would be, and I happened to be – I had affinity. I had – you know, I went down that route, and so a lot of the deployments that I went on in Iraq and Afghanistan

[00:33:59] and different areas of the world, all the countries you go to, Israel, Europe, things of this nature, so you use these skill sets, and so really when I looked at the problem set with Venezuela, I decided upon a more intelligence-based solution. And let me ask you this. You know, when you say intelligence-based solution, a lot of times these overthrows include kinetic events and violence.

[00:34:27] So when you got approached, how did they approach you? Give the background on that, would you? Yeah, so I was approached by the – you know, in 2017, 2018, I think that Keith Schiller was the – he was in charge of operations at the White House. So when he left the direct employee of the federal government, he stayed on as Donald Trump's what we would call fixer or his head of security. And so Keith approached me. I don't know how he got my number or found me.

[00:34:57] I get pulled into an initial meeting with Keith, and we have a discussion, and then I get pulled into a subsequent meeting a few days later with an entity called Global Governments, who they are – I guess you would call them D.C. lobbyists or think tank. And so several of these people are – several of these – They're really the shadow government, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean they're – I don't know exactly – I don't know that they exist anymore.

[00:35:25] They were trying to put together a group of businessmen. They're just underground, my friend. They exist. Might be a different name. Might be different players because some people are dead, but they exist, my friend. Make no mistake. Sure, sure. So these guys – you know, I get pulled in, and it's very clear. And I've read on the 302s, the FBI 302s, some of them say that, oh, no, we weren't talking about any military operation in Venezuela.

[00:35:49] And then some of them say, oh, yes, everybody knew that when we sent Jordan down that this was going to be a military plan. So that was kind of the initial. I have the meeting, and then I have to do something called the redhead. I've got to go make sure that it's even possible. But before I went, I knew exactly what this was going to be. I knew that I could use an intelligence-based solution to flip the country.

[00:36:15] Now, let me set the stage for a second so people kind of understand this because at first you're going, hold on a minute. Our government's hired to murder people, to create regime change, to create coups, to do this, to do that. And at first glance you go, whoa, this is crazy, out of line, unacceptable, no way, hold on a minute. However, if you look at the supreme law of the land, the Constitution, you understand that America needs to be protected from enemies, foreign and domestic.

[00:36:41] And that protection can't always be as peaceful as you want. It's not as simple as you want. It's messy. It's dirty. It's crazy. And the Founding Fathers talked about war and congressional responsibility for a full-out war must be declared, et cetera, et cetera, which we've been violating until the cows come home. But short of that, and Mike Lee just spoke about this a couple of weeks ago talking about the drug cartels, and he's right as rain, which is, hey, there's what's called letters of mark and reprisal.

[00:37:08] There's all kinds of other ways to get private contractors to do the bidding to protect the United States around the world. And you can say, well, that's hostile. That's crazy. How can that be? Because it actually prevents bigger conflict. It actually prevents greater threats. It actually de-escalates. Do you want to speak to that for a second, Jordan? Because I think this really puts things in fair context for you, right? Sure. Let me elaborate a little bit.

[00:37:33] So it's great to live in America where we have freedom, but the truth is we have freedom because the U.S. military, which is an existential institution, we provide the ability for the United States to exist. The military has to go and do its thing abroad and create white space for the U.S. citizens, right? So let's look at the Monroe Doctrine for a second.

[00:38:00] Monroe Doctrine says we don't want anybody operating in our back door. We don't want our enemies operating in our back door. So, for instance, like you don't – a few weeks back – A.K.A. Our hemisphere, right? Exactly. Exactly. In our hemisphere. Monroe Doctrine, let's just – we'll keep it simple. So I think it was a couple months back there were Russian submarines who were in the Caribbean Sea and they were meeting – they went to, I think, Venezuela and Cuba. All right?

[00:38:28] And so this is what we call in a military theater, white space. So white space in our hemisphere is what the Monroe Doctrine protects against. Now, we have to do things, obviously, from an intelligence standpoint and a military standpoint to prevent those, I guess you would say, incursions in our white space.

[00:38:52] Any incursion in our white space with that close proximity to the United States is a problem for our foreign policy. It's a problem for our defense. So I'm not going to sit here and say that – look, I understand how coups and military operations are spun in the media to be a negative thing. But the reality is the United States exists because in 1776, Americans fought a war for it.

[00:39:22] World War II, we stopped – And hold on. There was a coup by all the representatives that went, closed the doors, changed the game throughout the Articles of Confederation, put together what they call the Constitution. What was it? Well, it was, hey, you the people have a plan, a constitutional republic if you can keep it. And so my whole point is to give context so that people understand, hey, Jordan's not the bad guy here.

[00:39:45] Jordan was doing what he thought he should as a government employee for a long time and then a private contractor under the direction of people who he thought were legitimate at first. That's really the quintessential point here, Jordan. Right. No, I agree 100%. Anyway, go ahead. I don't mean to derail, but I just need the audience to get caught up on that stuff. And I don't think they realize those things without explanation from people in the know and people with experience such as yourself. Yeah, no. And I think quite simply, I'm a soldier.

[00:40:12] I – and one of my commanders used to say this all the time. We go where we're told and we win where we fight. So in my – in this instance, when I am engaged by a representative of what is represented to me to be the executive branch and then I do my due diligence on this team of people and I feel like they are telling me the truth and they represent me that the executive branch wants to do, wants me to do this thing. Well, I'm a soldier.

[00:40:38] I now have orders and I have to go ahead and conduct this operation if possible. And so that is how this entire, I guess you could say, event happened. They came to me. I didn't go to anybody and say, hey, listen, I've got this. I don't – you know, that's not how it happened. I was recruited. They came to me. And who came to you? How can they have plausible deniability?

[00:41:07] Is it too layered to where the people that came to you won't take responsibility? But I don't understand how we can't – there's a chain of command here, right? Well, same, right? Think about it like this. When a lower-ranking officer gives order to, let's say, my team, my ODA, I don't say, well, I don't believe you. Let me go above you to the general and verify that it's real. That's not how it works.

[00:41:33] I can – if I'm in the middle of – if I'm out operating and we've just finished an operation, I can get a call over the radio and we can go do another mission based on an oral order, right? So oral orders in the military are binding. If I get an oral order and I believe – And they're common. Sure. Exactly. So if I believe it to be true, which I'm dealing with Keith Schiller, who is Donald Trump's guy. He's known him for 20 years. He's a fixer.

[00:41:59] You know, it's represented to me by other members of global governments that this guy is in constant communication with Donald Trump. So then I am going to take – I'm going to – that for me is due diligence. You know, I went and I researched and saw who each of these team members were in global governments. And so I believe that to be on the level.

[00:42:18] And so, for instance, when Ron Kraft is calling Elliott Abrams and he's calling, you know, John Bolton, I believe it to be true because, you know, he is – he has been represented to me to be somebody who knows these people and who's very well connected in Washington, D.C.

[00:42:35] And so let me also say that there is no way on the planet – like there's no way in reality that I would do this, that I would go down to a foreign country and even start to plan if I didn't think I was protected by the executive branch, period. And that it was a legitimate order. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Lance?

[00:43:00] You know, when I sit here listening to this, when Jordan and I first connected online, you know, and I started to wrap my head around this deal, he'll tell you that I came to a fast conclusion on what had happened. Because I don't believe – so far to date with what open source information I've looked through, I haven't found anything that would give me reason to believe that this event wasn't supported and sanctioned by the U.S. government. But now they're hanging Jordan out to dry.

[00:43:25] And I think what's important, what I want to have Jordan share with the audience, is the connections to these different individuals. A lot of people are saying, oh, well, he's saying this person knew and that person. And my take is that Keith Schiller probably believed it was a legitimate operation. What knowledge Donald Trump had, I believed he believed it was a legitimate operation. And he probably didn't have as much knowledge. But when you start looking at the players and you look at this as a comparison, what I like to do is put it side by side with the Russian collusion hoax. The dirty 51 plus 8.

[00:43:55] And you look at the way they orchestrated that event. And now we know that entire event was fraudulent. But what did they use it for? They used it to take down General Michael Flynn, to take down Roger Stone, and to take down many others in the Trump inner circle because they wanted to weaken Trump's ability to perform. And I think this is identical. And they wanted fear to spread within the whole organization. And that's part of their agenda, right? No doubt.

[00:44:22] You know, it's always fear, division, and chaos. That's what they do to win. And I think we're in this same situation now. I believe the reason they've reinvigorated this event to indict Jordan four and a half years later is because they've got a plan. They're trying to figure out what do they have in their arsenal to use against Donald Trump. And here it is, right? Because I believe he had limited knowledge of the event. And I believe Keith Schiller had good intentions. But look at what Bill Barr did.

[00:44:51] The most important individual for contact and for support, Bill Barr decides to go ahead and put on the DEA list right as this operation is in full swing, basically leaving Jordan in a situation that his most important person that's helping him is now not available. And, of course, now he's worried about whether or not he's going to get, you know, snatched up by the DEA in the middle of the night in a foreign country. When you start looking at the way this went and the people that were involved, and I want Jordan to give a couple of details.

[00:45:21] Let's connect some of the dots for the audience, Jordan. Let's talk about the individuals and how they actually connect, some of the high-profile individuals, and how you actually have connected them that they had full knowledge of what was going on with this operation. Sure. Sure. Perfect. So let's start at the very initial meeting. And like I said, I believe what Lent said. I think Keith Schiller had good intentions. But let's go back to the initial meeting. The Venezuelan contingent was George Betancourt, who, you know, is partners with Lester Toledo.

[00:45:50] And these guys are linked to Lopoldo Lopez and Juan Guido. Lopoldo Lopez and Juan Guido went to school and had Ivy League educations paid for by USAID. These guys are leftists. So in a secret video or a secret recording that I had one of my guys take of an exchange between Lester Toledo and George Betancourt, they admit a few things. They admit that they don't trust Donald Trump. They admit that they're working with the CIA.

[00:46:17] They admit that they're working with Juan Cruz. And so those three facts right there, I mean, it kind of shows the dissent already. They were working – they're not working – they don't want to work with Trump and do his – what he wants to happen as the president. They're going to do what Juan Cruz wants. So who is Juan Cruz? Juan Cruz is a national security guy. He's ex-CIA and had a very high position under Gina Haspel, under the Trump administration.

[00:46:46] Obviously, Gina Haspel is a CIA director under Donald Trump. And there's a great Wired article with several CIA sources that talk about the dissent and the pushback by Gina Haspel and her people. The outright betrayal. Let's be clear. Right. Let's be honest. It's an absolute betrayal. I'm just saying you can let it rip on this show, Jordan. We're not going to back away from this. We're going to lay it out the best we know it.

[00:47:12] And I believe this is a coup not only against you and against Donald Trump, but it's an absolute betrayal of our whole legitimate elected government and those who are called into service by those elected officials. This is an attempt to undermine at the highest levels, right? Absolutely. It was – All right. Go ahead. I don't mean to interrupt, but I just – lay it out, buddy. Go ahead. I don't know what happens.

[00:47:37] And just to provide a little more context to what Lance said, when my general, General Cliver Alcala, was arrested, he was essentially the linchpin of my operation. I had developed very powerful contacts inside Venezuela close to the leaders of the regime. These guys were very – they had task maneuver units. They actually had elements to do the heavy lifting of this operation. This is why I say it was an intel-based operation.

[00:48:07] I had what the CIA didn't see. I had access and placement within the regime next to Maduro. But it was contingent on the fact that their trust in me and their faith in me largely was due to the fact that I was working with this general, General Alcala.

[00:48:25] Once Bill Barr put General Alcala on the wanted list next to Maduro, the Venezuelan people inside that were my deep contacts who had task maneuver units, the very powerful guys, they got incredibly confused. They were really confused as to what was going on. And so they stood down.

[00:48:49] Meanwhile, my two Green Berets and my contingent of Venezuelans are on the border between Colombia and Venezuela. And they are now – because the Colombian president has been alerted, Ivan Duque, he has been alerted to this by obviously the deep state, Lester Claydo, CIA, all of these guys. And now he is actively hunting my 60 guys on the border to include two Green Berets with the Colombian military.

[00:49:19] Furthermore, they put another – they alerted the ELN, which is a guerrilla organization much like the FARC, and they had informed the ELN that the 60 guys on the border were there to attack the ELN. So now my guys can't go backwards. Which was completely false, just deliberate propaganda. Yes. Go ahead. Absolutely. And so my guys are stuck.

[00:49:47] I am in Jamaica at the time, which after the fact it was reported that there were CIA agents in Jamaica. And apparently they came to me and said they told me to abort. Never happened. Never saw them. But I do believe they were there. The conjecture is that they sabotaged my boat, which I make it incredibly far. I make it close to Curacao because at this point, for me, I'm mission abort. I'm trying to get my men, my two Green Berets, the hell out of there.

[00:50:17] My boat breaks. I'm close. I'm 60 miles away from them. Boat breaks, and it was very – it was very strange conditions that it broke. The belt, there was a belt that broke. It was brand new, and it broke. So it was very strange. Anyway, that's conjecture. I can't prove that they sabotaged it, but it makes sense. The CIA know that the operation has to go. So I hit my EPIRB.

[00:50:45] I get picked up by a tanker, a Chinese tanker, and I start heading back. But the point is, without getting too into the weeds, the CIA knew about it. I know an Elliott Abrams in a Senate subcommittee hearing – this is after the fact – says that he didn't find out until what was happening with this operation until three days later.

[00:51:10] Well, the truth is he knew about it a year and a half prior because Rowan Craft called him and told him about it. Rowan Craft, if you read – there's an AP article, probably the first one. In the AP article, it talks about Rowan Craft bragging to his friends that there's going to be a private coup by Silvercore, which was my company, in Venezuela. So it's clear to me that Elliott Abrams knew, and these individuals are tracking the entire time.

[00:51:38] What's more, Bill Barr obviously puts General Alka on the list. Mike Pompeo, after everything falls apart, issues a statement. He says, we had no direct involvement. So obviously they had indirect involvement, what they would call intelligence-based involvement. So I believe that information is fair game.

[00:52:05] That classified information, all those documents have to be revealed to the American people and to me because when you have an agency in the United States that's betraying Americans, A, they knew that my men were in a really terrible position. So did the FBI, by the way. They knew they were in grave danger because the mission – they tanked the mission at a strategic level and at a tactical level if they did in fact sabotage my boat.

[00:52:34] And so they had a duty to warn. It's called ICD-191. They had – they could have – look, the FBI could have called me and said, hey, how do we get your guys out? Let's call bullshit on this. Let's just get our American guys. Right? So it's – for a soldier, it's disheartening to know that I was betrayed by Americans. I don't care if CIF – they're Americans. Americans aren't supposed to betray Americans. So for me, I would call that a traitor. Amen. Right? Without question. Most people would call that –

[00:53:01] The question is, did they do this just to save their own bacon when it went south of things that they didn't have control of? Or was this really kind of intentional to really undermine Trump and you got caught in the crossfire? This was absolutely intentional. It was absolutely intentional. All right. Hour one, ladies and gentlemen, is in the can. Hour two coming up. We'll get into more of the details of this. We're talking to Jordan Goudreau, former U.S. Army Specialist, Green Beret, the founder of Silver Corp USA.

[00:53:30] You want to learn more about him, you can find him on Twitter. Jordan G. Goudreau is where you find him. And we're going to talk about Operation Gideon, ladies and gentlemen. A failed coup attempt orchestrated – well, by who? That's kind of, you know, very interesting. Who knew what when is the problem? Was it a goal to undermine Donald Trump? Was it a goal to create havoc in the region? Was it a goal to back communism?

[00:53:58] A lot of those good questions will come out in the discussion. We're also going to talk about lawfare. This is another example of literally lawfare where a person is being charged with crimes based on their, quote, political affiliations and not on actually breaking U.S. law. Lance Miliacho with me. The Big Mig man himself, ladies and gentlemen. The Big Mig dot com on the internet. Syndicated via radio every weekend on your favorite radio station. And I also might add, available everywhere.

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