Radio Show Hour 1 – 02/10/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news the network refused to use, no doubt. Starts now. This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for February the 10th in the year of our Lord 2025.

[00:00:39] This is Hour 1 of 2, the goal always to promote God, family, and country. To protect life, liberty, and property, and to do so on your radio in the traditions of our founding fathers. As you know, we reject revolution unless it's a Jesus revolution, then we're in. We're also convinced that checks and balances are one of the great peaceful restorative solutions we have at our fingertips. We use the supreme law of the land, the constitution for the United States of America as our guide. We use the traditional God-ordained family as our guide.

[00:01:07] And we use our relationship with Jesus Christ and the scriptures as our guide. Welcome to the broadcast. We've got so much to cover, so little time. Dr. Scott Bradley's with me. Welcome to the broadcast, sir. Well, thank you very much. I hope everyone had a wonderful weekend and didn't get too distracted with diversions out there to keep our bread and circuses alive. And you're ready to kind of hit the ground running today with some logical and maybe even some essential thinking.

[00:01:38] Well, that's always the case on the radio, right? You would hope so. So talk to me about USAID for a minute, will you? This clown organization? Go ahead. Yeah. Well, go ahead. I mean, this USAID is really USAID. It's initials. Everybody kind of shortens it. And sometimes there's a way to get confused if you just say USAID. Well, does that mean FEMA was helping you out?

[00:02:07] Or does that mean you got help with your school books? What does it mean? You know, your grants for college, whatever. USAID is an international organization created in 1961, congressionally created, by the way, in September. And then it was by an executive order of John F. Kennedy in November. Two years almost, not exactly. Two years and a couple of weeks before his demise.

[00:02:34] But he put out an executive order. And it has been a really good money laundering system. I mean, you know, money laundering systems are bad. But it's been a very efficient money laundering system in that it has administered hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars over the years. Every year now, it's over $50 billion in foreign, shall we say, scam jobs.

[00:03:05] Almost anything you can think of has been paid for with this. And, of course, you only hear about the ones where they're helping little girls in Afghanistan go to school and maybe bicycles in Jamaica or some silly thing. But the fact of the matter is, apparently, from what some of the reports are, the Clintons tapped into that with their organization, I guess I'll call it euphemistically, on the Haiti earthquake.

[00:03:33] All sorts of egregious and tawdry kinds of things were paid for through that. And USAID is, many people believe it's a kind of a, well, maybe not a front, but it's an entree into countries for the CIA because, you know, they use leverage to get these tin horn dictators to let people in. And, you know, let their people in.

[00:03:59] And then they kind of grease the skids sometimes with a little, you know, favor here and a little favor there. And they get, you know, some kind of benefit. So some people are saying it's related to national security. Almost all of us that have ever looked at it in the last 60, what is it, 63 years ago have been worried about it because it's an unconstitutional application of taxpayer funds. It's if they've been strong.

[00:04:29] Well, so it not only is it unconstitutional, but it's criminal. Congress doesn't have authority to vote for international spending like this. And on one hand, they want to kind of beat up Joe Biden or beat up USAID and or AID. I don't disagree with all that. Exposing this is great. Good for Musk. Good for Trump. And, you know, letting go a lot of the employees, exposing all the, you know, abusive funding and all. But look, it's Congress that really designates this money bill by bill by bill to be spent.

[00:04:58] They're designating the money, Sam. But as you know how these things go, they become slush funds. We're designating $10 billion. Yes, they do. But what I'm saying to you is, you know, I don't care who put what port piece in what bill. Everybody that signed off on that bill or voted yay on that bill really voted for that largesque from the Treasury, that criminal stealing from the Treasury with literally zero constitutional authority. They're criminals. Anybody that voted for these things.

[00:05:24] And so, you know, I think the next step, if Doge is serious, is to look back for the last, say, two years, maybe four years, six years, whatever number you want to take and say, look, everybody that voted for this kind of pork barrel, unconstitutional international spending without oversight literally needs to be accountable. At some point, we can't just have a victim but no perpetrator, right? And I don't understand this. We the people are the victims. Who are the perpetrators? And how do we create accountability for those people? Republicans and Democrats, Sam. That's right.

[00:05:54] So what's the rightful remedy to ferret them out and deal with them, though? Well, the voters, we the people, have to remove them from office. And that is, I mean, we've got term limits. We could do it if enough people got ticked off. That's right. In one election cycle, we could jettison the whole House, for instance, right? And a third of the Senate. And every four years, we can do the presidency. And the problem is that people are stuck on this incumbency kind of thing.

[00:06:24] Oh, my guy in there, he's given me everything I want. He sent me a chicken in every pot and two cars in every garage. Whatever your wish list is, we the people sell our votes every bit as much as the Congress critters sell their votes because they're being leveraged for goodies one way or another. You know, Mike Johnson may say, hey, you know, we've got an opening here in this committee. Would you be interested in that? Do you think your constituents could enjoy that leverage you have? Oh, sure.

[00:06:53] So you get in there. Well, suddenly there's a little shit. What I'd be interested in is throwing criminals in jail. You know what? These slush funds that the president, now they're trying to sue the president saying he can't not spend this money. He cannot spend this money if he chooses to as the executive. He can say, listen, this is unconstitutional. Congress should have never approved it. But now what you have is robed, thug judges that just simply overrule the president, right?

[00:07:20] Well, you know, you might have seen the story this morning about that judge, an Obama-appointed judge, that's saying these guys that are trying to do an audit on the expenditures out there are being blocked from being able to have it. And, you know, I mean, you say, okay, okay, okay, I can play that game too. And I don't know if this, you know, this is the first thing that came to my mind. And there's got to be some nuance to what I'm going to say right now. But it's a thought.

[00:07:46] If Trump says, okay, you're going to play that game, we can't go in and audit anybody because you're saying there's going to be the systems will be more hackable or there'll be danger of information. Or this stuff is classified or whatever. Whatever. All right. But I believe you can, by the way, you could filter very heavily information about classified and all this. That's really a Bravo Sierra response. It really truly is.

[00:08:15] You can narrowly constrain this. So personal information about somebody's cancer case or, you know, their heart attack last year and their health care, blah, blah, blah. That could be filtered out very easily. But if Trump is, you know, he can say, well, you're preventing me from being able to audit this. Okay. Well, until a reasonable, complete audit is completed, we're going to restrict this department to 30% of what they were authorized.

[00:08:45] And so I guess if they decide they want to be looked at, we'll just open the doors. Yeah, y'all choose what you want to spend the 30% on, right? Yeah. And then, or maybe we cut them off completely. I mean, of course, there'll have to be some judicious application of that. I mean, if somebody's a deployed military, they got to get paid. Okay, fine. I mean, that's really a no-brainer, I think you'd say.

[00:09:10] But if you're talking about a USAID program and you say, okay, well, you guys are 0% until we get a clear audit. We'll just see what the audit says or some national public radio thing or some kind of— Yeah, and then what happens is we do an audit. We claim that, hey, they're spending money with the New York Times, with Politico, with NPR, with PBS, with all these government media partners, and they're spending all this money. And then what the mainstream press does is comes back in the bed with the Democrats and say, well, listen, this is really nuanced.

[00:09:40] You know, it's not really USAID spending all this money. It's these other different programs. It's the State Department. It's the this. It's the that. It's the other. I think a lot of times when you report, you just make things simple. Because if you discover this in a USAID audit that these monies are going, it doesn't really matter if part of it's coming from USAID or part of it's coming from the State Department or part of it's coming from this or that. The point is it's the expenditure that we're talking about.

[00:10:05] And so what they do is play games with nuances and pretend that it's not as bad or that it's not happening. But again, no one's really looking at Congress like I am. I think Congress is singularly responsible for this. And now you can say, well, the president is too, and I agree. That's why there's a big difference between Biden and Trump. Trump's not perfect, but at least he's trying to do something about this. Got to give him credit somewhere. But I look at the members of Congress and you know what? You know, they could say, well, I didn't put that pork barrel piece in there. By golly, I didn't even know it was there. Yeah, but you're voting for these things.

[00:10:33] You're signing off that it's OK, that it's an expenditure that you approve. And so I think we really need to look at Congress squarely. What have the Republican Mike Johnson? What have you been doing as Speaker of the House, my friend? And OK, you single handedly should be stopping 90 percent of this pork barrel stuff, right? Well, yeah, the House originates all expenses. And the Senate then can amend them. But they collaborate on a final bill and they ultimately approve all funding.

[00:11:04] And ultimately, I'm saying Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, should be stopping this single handedly, shouldn't he? Well, every single member. OK, I'll go with you. You're right. Mike Johnson. But every single member should be. My point with Mike Johnson is that's even a double check. Yeah. If Mike Johnson is going to put bills in front of members of Congress so fast they don't have time to review them and say he's going to give people time to review them and then lie and push them through, I'm not saying that the member of Congress isn't responsible.

[00:11:32] They should vote no if they don't have time to read or review or confirm the details of things. They should just, by instance, say no. So if you're going to push through things, you're going to get a no every time. So don't do that anymore. That's how you stop that. But at the end of the day, there's a double check here. There's your House of Representatives. There's your Speaker of the House. And furthermore, there's your senator and your president. And they've all signed off on these things all along the way. We didn't get here by accident is the point. We didn't get here without a perpetrator.

[00:11:59] You know, Thomas Jefferson wrote extensively about this and the responsibility of everyone within their office having an authority to exercise that constitutional check. If it doesn't meet it, vote against it. You know, one of my daughters back in the 1990s was a lobbyist. It kind of sounds like a dirty term in terms of going to Congress for that.

[00:12:26] But she had gone there to try and there was two twofold mission that she was doing. She had gone there to work against Hillary Clinton's health care thing. And it was successful in the 1990s of opposing that as well as standing for, you know, the right to life for unborn children. Anyway, she got invited a number of times over to Ron Paul's office to sit down and talk with him and ask the question.

[00:12:53] And with these thousand plus, you know, two thousand, five thousand, six thousand, whatever size bill comes through, how do you know to vote against it? And he says, well, all I do is read until I come across the unconstitutional part and then I vote against it. I don't have to get very far into very many bills before I find that I can vote against it.

[00:13:13] And, you know, a lot of people need to say and this is, by the way, an endorsement, if you will, of splitting up these huge omnibus spending bills into digestible pieces that can be evaluated and then voted for or against.

[00:13:28] And well, single voter up and down issues, single item issue bills or single topic subject bills clear up and down votes are the key piecemeal is the key to where, you know, you don't get roped into voting for things that you don't agree with and put on the record for this or that or forced to vote for things that, you know, whatever, for these reasons. And the bottom line is, look, your Congress folks have done this to you and they want you to believe that the Republican Congress is rocking. They're doing a great job. I don't see it. They've been basically around for five weeks.

[00:13:57] I don't really see what they've accomplished. They've basically passed one big bill about immigration, which is good. But other than that, they've approved a couple of Trump's appointees. And I don't really see a whole lot more that they've accomplished than that. The Democrats have started to launch impeachment proceedings against Trump, so they're doing something. But the Republicans don't seem to be doing much. Two headlines that relate to this of interest.

[00:14:21] Elon Musk now demands impeachment of, quote, corrupt Obama judge for blocking doge access to key payment systems. And so, you know, you think that this judge will get impeached? Because I agree these judges don't have the authority to block. Sam, I, you know, an easy answer is just no, it won't happen. There is no backbone to have something like that. But that was what I was talking about.

[00:14:50] Here's a judge that says, oh, no, you guys can't do an audit. Yeah, you have a fiduciary responsibility to see that the funds are being expended as were appropriated. And to leave these people to just run around, you know, all the muck that they've got out there and spend and spend and spend, that's an inappropriate thing. So here's the question. Who can do the audit, though? You know, you can debate and say an audit, you can never do an audit.

[00:15:18] But logically, you would say, well, if money's approved, it's appropriate to do a research audit to virtually guarantee that the money is appropriately spent per direction of Congress. They're the ones that hold the purse strings, et cetera. Who can do the audit then? If Trump can't appoint somebody to do so, who can? Well, that's the problem. The judge is off the base. I mean, look, you've got the legislative body that, you know, passes the bills, says you can have this pot of money.

[00:15:47] The executive then carries that responsibility. What we can do is release Ken Cromar and put the judge in his place. Yeah, that would be an easy answer, too. But there's not enough room for all the judges. We talked about incarceration last Friday, right? We got Quintanamo Bay. We can send the judges there. That's a thought, too. But no, the executive has a responsibility. El Salvador agreed to take them. This is completely within the prerogative of the executive to say. Of course it is.

[00:16:14] To say to some department head, I'm asking for an audit of your department. And I've appointed these individuals to perform that audit. Okay, so this is an executive prerogative, obviously. Now, of course, it wouldn't hurt if the House and the Senate got involved, the House particularly, because they are the originator of all revenue and say we're going to do a hearing. And they could instantly set forth a resolution that says we back Trump and we authorize this audit. They could do that, too.

[00:16:39] All that would do is put two branches of government against the court extremist judge, right? And by the way, again, Thomas Jefferson wrote extensively about this and how the Supreme Court is not even just some willy-nilly federal judge out there. They are not the adjudicator of all things constitutional. It is a responsibility of everybody that sits in their office to make certain that all actions are kept within constitutional bounds.

[00:17:09] And so the legislative, while they're passing or examining a bill for passage, has to clearly examine that. Now, by the way, there have been bills passed by the House and the Senate that said every bill will have an associated clause from the Constitution that tells how it's justified. Virtually every one that I've looked at. And you could probably guess, Sam, what it is.

[00:17:33] It's Article I, Section 8, Clause 18, which people have dubbed the Elastic Clause. And it is not an elastic clause. Get your Constitution out. It's just after where they established Washington, D.C. It's the clause afterwards. It says that Congress has power to carry out all their delegated authority. It doesn't give you the authority to create other authority. It just says carry out delegated authority.

[00:18:02] I always use the example of Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 says Congress has power to coin money. Well, they have the power to carry that out. That means creating an amend, hiring people, defining the coinage and its precious metals. The weight of the majors, in other words? Everything. So they can carry out that bill. Well, and it's just like with Article 5. It has the authority Congress calls, after a certain number of states have applied, two-thirds,

[00:18:29] calls the convention, if they ever get to that point, to have a Constitution convention. I recommend against that so everybody understands that up front. But Congress calls. That will mean they will pick the place where they do it. They'll pick the delegate process. And according to the Congressional Research Service, it will be something on the effect of an electoral college kind of numbering. California will have 54 votes.

[00:18:59] Wyoming will have three. Montana will have four. Idaho will have four. Utah will have six. That's how it will be. So California will probably— Well, and there's a ticking time bomb even in that discussion because right now you've got about 12 million illegal criminal aliens in the country. And as a result of that, hey, many of those folks are going to be counted in the census coming up. If we don't rid the country of them soon enough, they'll be in the census. And that will literally change the representation.

[00:19:28] They were in the last census, Sam. I know. I got news for you. It's already tainted. It's right. But it's even ten times worse now. That's correct. But you're right. It was there before. Sure. But what would the electorate really look like if we got rid of all the illegal aliens or at least said, hey, they can't be counted in the census and they can't vote and they can't this and they can't have driver's licenses and they can't—we're not going to give them privileges. They're here criminally. And, you know, if we really lock that down, you know, what would it look like? The numbers would change drastically.

[00:19:56] Okay, Sam, let's just say for a second the United States is invaded by a foreign force, you know, D-Day kind of thing. And they continue to feed troops in and everything like that. And there's 30 million, 10 million, 5 million, whatever the number is of foreign power forces that are in the United States. Do they get counted in a census? Obviously not. That would not be acceptable to anybody. I know, but they will count them. But that's how they're doing it right now. You're absolutely correct.

[00:20:24] In fact, it is a criminal activity that has been stacking the deck in favor of those that have no idea of the foundational principles that have to be operated within this nation. So there's some really whacked out things that are going on. We've gone all over the chart so far today, and it's almost time for the bottom of the hour. I just can't imagine.

[00:20:47] It's just astounding to me how many wrenches get thrown in the works every time something maybe good might happen, you know? Well, that's the way they roll. That's the way they like it. And now what they're saying, the Democrats are even saying, hey, we're ready to shut down the government of this USAID thing. If that's what it takes to stop crazy belligerent, you know, Donald and Elan, we're going to just shut down the government, they threaten. I welcome that. Shut it down. Let's talk about it.

[00:21:16] Yeah, I think that if, okay, they want that on their plate and all of the egg on their face or however you want to eat, crow later, whatever you want to call it with all these silly euphemisms we have, it's one of those things that you say, bring it on, baby. Okay, we'll take a look at this.

[00:21:33] And the USAID, honestly and truthfully, is a huge redistribution of wealth socialist program that has paid hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars to foreign tin horned dictators. And they say, oh, these little girls are never going to be able to go to school in Afghanistan. You know, I mean, I keep coming back to that. But that's what you keep seeing, that they parade out on this thing. But you don't see Chelsea, what's her name, Clinton?

[00:22:03] I don't know her last name anymore. I can't pronounce it, I don't think. But at any rate, you know, buying her multimillion dollar homes in New York and her weddings. And it is not just that. It's other cronies that are getting, you know, funding to reestablish a phone system or an electric power system or whatever that are just pork laden, overly priced outings. I mean, people don't understand it.

[00:22:32] First of all, it's unconstitutional. You can't do any of this. And then to say, well, yeah, but there's good things that come out of it. Well, the churches let them do that. There's churches that have hundreds of billions of dollars that could say, we're going to help our fellow man. That's where most of our membership has put their funding. Well, and private philanthropists, too. I mean, individuals not involved in churches.

[00:22:57] I mean, look at our dear friend Gary who went and took care of people in North Carolina and, you know, with the hurricanes and everything. And the government was doing nothing under, you know, Biden and Kamala and clowns. And our dear buddy Gary Haven literally, you know, used his own planes, put money where his mouth was. And there's several people that we worked with that really made a huge difference, all in the private sector. And they weren't churches either. So churches and private sector good people can make a huge difference. Americans are the most generous people on the planet.

[00:23:27] And they have proven themselves for the last couple hundred years as being generous to a fault, actually. But, you know, they don't have the charter or the compulsion to do it. Nobody can say because you have a billion dollars you've got to do this. But churches are ostensibly established to feed and clothe the naked, the hungry, the cold, the widow, the orphans, you know, fatherless. Churches use that as their charter.

[00:23:55] Let them step it up and go do it. It's a free will offering, people. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Trump announces 25% tariffs on all steel and aluminum coming into the United States. He's going to announce that today. Let's talk about that when we get back. Tariffs are good, ladies and gentlemen. I'm afraid they're being misused, though. A little bit. We'll talk about it. Hang tight.

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[00:29:14] I mean, they voted to send $200 billion to Ukraine. I've been all over the mountains of Appalachia when I ask people, would you rather that your senators take care of you here in Asheville or here in Pikeville, here in Appalachia, would you rather them send your money to Ukraine? I don't get anybody wanting to send a penny to Ukraine. Look, you can have all kinds of sympathy in the world for Ukraine, hostility towards Russia being the aggressor nation, but we don't have the money. We're $2 trillion in the hole. Interest this year is going to be $1 trillion. And as far as passing this, I'm willing to let it pass today.

[00:29:42] He's going to object to passing his own bill today simply because it gets paid for. I'm willing to let the bill pass, but take some of the fluff and boondoggle subsidies from the Green New Deal and put it into here. The money's sitting here. We put it into here for disasters. We help Asheville today.

[00:30:13] Casting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen. Sam Bushman on your radio. Dr. Scott Bradley with me. freedomsrisingsun.com is the, well, all I can tell you is so much is going on. Dr. Bradley, what do you say to this, though? I think we just need to impeach judges. We need to make a difference, right?

[00:30:42] You know, Jefferson again. I spent a lot of time in Jefferson's writings, and I have a great deal of respect for the man, as you might well imagine. He talked of impeachment being a scarecrow. And you've all seen the cartoons probably with the scarecrow out in the middle of the cornfield with the crows perched on the hat and on the arms and everything like that. And the crows don't give a hang about that scarecrow.

[00:31:11] It's not keeping anybody from getting in and eating the corn. All the crows have got their own run. And Jefferson was concerned that impeachment is a scarecrow. And now we've seen some egregious violations of impeachment in recent times over something that nobody could ever justify. I mean, they strained at gnats, swallowed camels, and choked on whatever they got.

[00:31:37] But the impeachment processes in recent times have been jokes. I mean, even the Ken Starr impeachment thing was a joke. I think he threw that whole investigation in an attempt to just look like they were doing something, but that it really didn't happen. Clinton was impeached basically over sexual improprieties is what it came down to. And the real meat of the game, if you will, was completely blindsided.

[00:32:07] Nobody went after that. And the recent Trump impeachments have become kind of a facade and a fake all the way through. But impeachment is something that is something that, I mean, the American founding fathers had like 600 years of history of impeachments that they were aware of when they wrote impeachment into the United States Constitution. It was a soundly founded principle that had been tried and true throughout history.

[00:32:36] They wrote it into the Constitution, and their intention was to use it as a leverage against actions that people in office could take that could be damaging to the country. Nobody gets a pass. I mean, the king didn't get a pass in the Declaration of Independence. There were 27 violations of the king that the founding fathers clearly pointed out that said the king did this, did this, did this, did this, did this.

[00:33:05] The king can't be above the law. And the American founders wrote that into the Constitution and said, neither will our people be beyond the law. And they went even farther than that. They said, not only is there a process that we're going to define, you know, with the House bringing the impeachment charges and the Senate trying them, once they're out of office, criminal charges can be brought. So this is a thing that is a well-founded and established process,

[00:33:34] and we need to quit having it used as basically a scarecrow. It's got to have some teeth, and we've got to start doing it. Amen. We've got a lot of work to do, folks, and a lot of people need to really understand what's going on in the country. Mike Kaczarski is with us now. He's the co-owner and the vice president of a company called JKC Trucking. He's been in the trucking business for 30-plus years,

[00:34:04] and we want to talk about tariffs. Mike, welcome to Liberty Roundtable Life, sir. Hey, Sam. Thank you for having me on your show. Sorry, I had some technical difficulties. No worries. Glad we got it resolved, and I'm glad you're with us and stuff like that. So you guys are specialists in refrigerated trucking, too. So, I mean, it's not only just trucking, but it's beyond that when you deal with refrigerated trucking and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, as a whole, just to set the record straight, I support tariffs 100%. I think tariffs are appropriate and good and necessary.

[00:34:31] They're an indirect tax, which is great. I would abolish the IRS and put tariffs in place immediately. However, I'm afraid tariffs on top of the IRS, and I'm afraid tariffs if misused. I mean, they're not meant to be a political weapon necessarily. What's your take on this from a trucker's point of view, sir? So, yeah, you know, the question is, you know, how we're strategically planning for these tariff impacts. As business leaders, we must always be prepared for the worst-case scenario. And we've never been more prepared during COVID.

[00:35:02] The supply chain was completely disrupted. We had to find new solutions to new problems. And one key lesson we learned is that we don't have to rely solely on imports. You know, the real question is, why are we making more things in America? This is an opportunity to strengthen our economy by examining what we currently produce domestically and identify areas where we can expand production. As a nation, we need to shift our perspective and ask,

[00:35:31] how can we produce more in America and where are our biggest gaps? Let me give you an example. During COVID, we built new semi-trucks. A lot of semi-trucks are built here in the U.S., but we could not get no chips for the micros. So we could build a new truck, but it was pointless because it wouldn't run. Or I'll give you an example. I have a customer that makes marshmallows. And he, the main item to, main ingredient goes into marshmallows and starch.

[00:35:59] During COVID, he couldn't get starch because he was buying it overseas. He had to, you know, find it from different areas, substitute it. Then it wasn't working because of a different kind of starch. But even before discussions of tariff wars, you know, our volumes remain low. You know, it hasn't returned to pre-COVID levels. You know, if we increase domestic production, we can boost volume right here in the U.S. and elevate our entire economy. Part of it is systemic.

[00:36:29] I know a lot of companies that love to do business in the United States, but it's hard. I deal with some sleeping bags and camping gear companies and things like that. They can't get the raw materials necessary because the pipelines aren't in place to bring raw materials into the United States. Even if they wanted to create sleeping bags in the United States, they don't have the right machinery, which they could get. But even so, they don't have the raw materials, Mike. No, I agree. And listen, in houses, we make a lot of stuff here in the U.S.

[00:36:53] And I would say, you know, 80% of the goods that we built here in the U.S., we get from the U.S. or partners. But like you said, there's certain materials and ingredients that we get from overseas, and that's what's killing us. Let me give you an example. We buy utility trailers, and they make refrigerated trailers. And they were – during COVID, they said they got 15% of aluminum from Russia, which was crazy.

[00:37:22] It doesn't sound like a big number, right? But, you know, their production almost completely stopped. And what aluminum they were getting, you know, of course, is going to the highest bidder, and Amazon was taking it. And we couldn't get trailers. You know what I mean? And still, we could get trailers now. I guess they have aluminum. But, you know, the problem with the issues now is that the trailers are 35% more than what they used to be. And I can't trickle down that cost back to my customer.

[00:37:48] Isn't President Trump announcing today, too, 25% tariffs on all aluminum and steel coming into the country? You mean houses? I think – I believe so. I'm not sure exactly the time he's going to announce it. But you know what? We need to get the steel production aluminum back in the U.S. We've got to stop. I mean, just to give you the example – like the example I just said, 15% aluminum. And then one of the biggest utility – trailer producers completely stopped because we couldn't do it.

[00:38:15] You know, I mean, we need to bring some of this stuff back home so when there's a war around the world or we have, like, a real emergency that we can continue doing business and, you know, surviving here and feeding the American people. All I can tell you is this. There's legitimate concern about the tariffs, not only in the trucking industry but anybody who understands the impact. But they're preparing to adapt to minimize costs and operational disruptions and maintain crucial supply chains.

[00:38:45] How are you guys going to do that, Mike? I mean, building up inventory is always a good idea. And diversifying should always be a priority. You know, something we learned during COVID, especially when the golden rule in the industry is to keep inventory low. So we are working closely with our partners to maintain, you know, a strong supply from diverse regions. You know, this is also a reminder why, as Americans, we need to focus on making more goods in America. You know, look, I'm not an economist or a geopolitical expert.

[00:39:15] I'm a businessman. But it's clear that Trump is using these negotiating tactics. And we've already seen this strategy play out successfully in the past. When you're the strongest country in the world, you have to flex that power. You know, you don't have to maintain that strength by letting other nations take advantage of you. We're already losing ground to China. You know, this problem is – the problem is these countries have been exploiting the U.S. for years. And Trump is using an aggressive tactics to force a more balanced playing field.

[00:39:43] Dr. Scott Bradley, what do you say? This is a disaster in the making. I agree with Mike. We need to bring back goods and services to the United States for production and manufacturing and farming and anything else. It's going to take time, though, even so. And if we just start slapping tariffs on everything on top of all the other regulatory compliance that we have, plus, you know, income tax and IRS, it just seems like if we're not very careful, I support the change, but we may be jumping the gun, Dr. Bradley.

[00:40:12] Well, this problem did not happen overnight. It's been developing over a long period of time, and people have been asleep at the switch, so to speak, presidents as well as businesses have. But our policies have contributed to this. I mean, look at Reagan in 1986 when he did the most favored nation status for China. Basically giving them a free pass into the country.

[00:40:35] And then our EPA stuff that says, oh, no, you guys, steel is a really dirty industry to be in. We need to cut that back. And now we've basically offshored all of our steel production. Steel is a strategic material. I mean, if you're going to build a 60-ton tank, there's a lot of steel in that tank.

[00:40:57] And if you're talking about military capabilities and you can't get enough steel to keep your tanks either being produced or even operating, you've really hamstrung yourself. Where do we get most of our boots? Probably in America anymore. Probably Southeast Asia. I mean, this is one of those things where even the very boots-on-the-ground concept is put at threat. And Americans have been basically they've had the guts cut out of them.

[00:41:26] And, you know, some businesses have said, hey, I can get stuff cheaper out of South Asia or whatever. And so they've made decisions that have, you know, really cut the throats of their providers and suppliers in America. This is something that, you know, you say, well, it's going to take us a long time to get back on the, you know, the right track. Well, no time like the present. Let's start doing it.

[00:41:49] Let's, as a people, be a little forward-looking, connect the dots, look beyond the end of our nose and say these things are important to have happen. Man, I can hardly find a product sometimes that's made in the United States anymore. I agree. I mean, it's hard now. And it's for the reasons that I mentioned, though. People can't get the supply chain. They can't get the raw materials they need, et cetera. Et cetera. I support 100% the moves by President Trump, although I'm very concerned. We need strategic planning here, Mike.

[00:42:19] No, I agree. But look, man, Trump wrote the book, The Art of the Deal, right? Trump's a negotiator. You know, Trump ran and won on improving our economy. No one wants tariffs, right? We can only assume that Trump is approaching this like a businessman by taking an aggressive stance. You know, Trump is forcing a tough conversation that wouldn't have happened otherwise, in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right about that. I just want to go about it very carefully.

[00:42:45] There's a survey that I think is very interesting by VP World or whatever, and the economist's impact shows that businesses are dealing with this in different ways, right? Right. Some businesses are diversifying their supply chains to other countries, et cetera. 43% are doing that. Many are building up inventory, as you mentioned, to get ahead of this thing. That's only 20%, by the way. 37% are thinking both strategies are equally effective. I mean, there's not much really we can do except for those things, right?

[00:43:17] I mean, for now, yes. I mean, inventory, diversifying, and, you know, working a deal. I mean, a long-term deal. I mean, we need to build a stronger relationship with the countries that are around us, like Canada, Mexico. Because how's this? You know, we're technically in a marriage, you know, with these countries. You know, if we like them or not, we're stuck with them. And we've got to do the best we can with these countries as partners to support us. You know, it's funny.

[00:43:46] I was in a conversation with one of my Canadian truckers, and he said, hey, look, when the U.S. gets a cold, Canada gets the flu. That's how intertwined we are. You know what I mean? We've got to become better trading partners, you know, less than China. Because, you know, China doesn't like us. I mean, China wants to end the U.S., take over. I don't know what their intentions are, but they're not good. We need to do what's best for the American people. My opinion is this is all a great conversation.

[00:44:13] We should have had it 30-plus years ago before we became so intertwined and so dependent 40 years ago, whatever the number be. However, it's too late for that, and you're right. We've got to extract ourselves from it. We need strategic planning. You know, if you overreact, it can make it worse, too. We've got to be careful about that. Rail. I know that's kind of, you know, maybe a competitor to the trucker's reality, but I think a combination of rail and trucking in the United States is really the key transport method, right? You mean how's this?

[00:44:42] So I like rail, but just to give you an idea, about 70% to 72% of all goods in the U.S. are truck, couches, food, whatever, you name it, right? And the rail does pick up bulk. But the rail is good at moving in bulk, but the problem is it moves very slow, and there's issues with the rails. It's slow both the China. There's derailment. How's this? The rail will not fix the cancer we have, you know what I mean? Because we're already using it. And how's this? Volumes are so down right now.

[00:45:12] I mean, the rail is down. Volumes on the rail are down. And the service is horrible, even when they have less. And it gets 10 times worse when they get overwhelmed. So, yeah, man, I like the rail, but the rail system also has a lot of probably more problems than these tariff wars that we're going through right now. They need to work out a lot of issues because it's been the same service for the last, I don't know, 50 years.

[00:45:38] It seems to me that the American people right this minute can maybe be understanding, but what else can we as individuals do, Mike? Hmm. You mean houses? Right now we're doing damage control. Trump's doing damage control. The last administration fell asleep behind the wheel. You know what I mean? Trump's taking this a little bit aggressively, but how about this?

[00:46:06] If we want a brighter future, we need to have these tough conversations right now. What could the consumers do? You know, how's this? You know, do what they've been doing now. You know, shop around and wait for better days that are coming, to better days to come. I mean, I think in six to nine months we should – how's this? Canada and Mexico want to do business with the U.S. We want to do business with that. You know what I mean? Right now we're just kind of in a weird negotiation pattern.

[00:46:36] But I think it will work out in the long run. It has to. Dr. Bradley? Well, like I say, no time like the present. You know, if we've been asleep at the switch for 30, 40, 50 years, it's time right now for everybody to realize that America's been sold down the river, up the river, whatever the saying is, for so long now. We've got to do things differently.

[00:47:00] I think this most favored nation status and some of the things that we've sold out are – all our steel industry has basically been shipped to Asia, lock, stock, and barrel. And I don't know what we're going to do. This is not just a daily operational, where do we get our fresh lettuce? This is something that has to do with what happens if we have a real, live, you know, major, mainstream kind of war kind of situation, and we can't keep up with anything.

[00:47:27] So we've got to take the bull by the horns and say now's the time. Let's go back to the American-produced material and no time like the present to start. Because if you wait five years, it's going to be five years behind where it would have been if you started now. Well, and I think it's like a snowball straight from hell. I mean, it's going to just get worse faster, faster, bigger, more by nature too, unless we get a handle on it. I think Mike and Dr. Bradley is correct on that. So, Mike, another question for you on this thing.

[00:47:56] What about Mexican truckers? I know there was a big to-do, I don't know, 20 years ago or so. I've been in radio for a long time. We used to cover this where a lot of Mexican truckers would be coming into the United States, and they couldn't speak English. And, you know, they were basically driving for virtually pennies, and the safety standards were melting down. Is that still a big issue? You mean not the Mexican truckers? So the Mexican truckers kind of bring the goods to the border, and we kind of exchange on the border into the U.S. truck, and we truck it the rest of the way. Canadian truckers are also kind of similar.

[00:48:27] They come to the border or a little into America and will exchange goods. Another thing we're having a lot of is like Indian truckers. I don't know if you guys noticed, but there's a lot of Indian companies, especially Canada. You know, Canada, I would say, man, I would say 80% of their truckers are Indians that they brought from India, I mean, to help truck, to bring goods to Canada. I mean, it's a good idea. You know what I mean? How is this? We need more truckers, you know. How is this? The trucking population we have right now are older generation, and they're all retiring.

[00:48:55] The boomers are retiring, and new blood's coming in, but it's not coming in fast enough to replace these truckers. So, yeah, when we get back to pre-COVID conditions and volumes go back up, we're going to be in the same boat we were pre-COVID. We're going to be short on truckers. So, you know, anybody that wants to come and live the American dream, and, you know, in my opinion, truck driving is the American dream. You know, my father started this company. He wanted to be his own boss, have his own equipment, do his own stuff, and he did. You know what I mean?

[00:49:23] So I think anybody that wants to come and build a business, live the American dream, should be allowed. It wouldn't hurt. Well, there's no doubt we have a shortage in industries, which is causing problems as well. I mean, I work for companies that rely on LTL loads and everything else, and it's tough to get a good competitive bid that delivers on time and everything else, right? Yeah. I mean, how's this? You can get two things. You want service or you want price. And to get both, you could, but it's not going to be cheap.

[00:49:53] And right now, we're dealing with something called volume volatility. You know, inflation is so high, people are not buying as much because they can't afford it. You know, your car bill went up, your insurance went up, everything's gone up. I mean, they have limited funds, you know, especially these lower class families. They have to spend – Americans are literally eating less, you know, consuming less. And it's killing the trucking industry because what's happening, volumes are down and goes to the lowest bidder. And this is why trucking companies are going out of business every day because it's going to the lowest bidder.

[00:50:22] But this is not going to be good in the long run, you know, when things come back to normal or stabilize or we come back to pre-COVID conditions. It's going to, you know, come and bite us in the behind later. Dr. Bradley? Well, every one of these things is a deep and wide chasm of a problem right now.

[00:50:47] And we've just been so short-sighted for so long, so inclined to do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons. And he's speaking some real common sense stuff here. Americans just need to realize that it seems like they've been working – I always say this when I go to the supermarket. They're preparing us for a Soviet-style economy where there's shortages everywhere. And it's getting kind of to a critical tipping point.

[00:51:16] And he's right. We've got to try and, you know, buy American, build American. And this locally – I mean, honestly, just Americans have got to vote with their dollars right now. And I hope we're willing to do that. And I want to make my comments clear about Mexican truckers. I don't have any problem with the Mexican people.

[00:51:39] My concern was about language oftentimes, about the ability to communicate, about licensing and laws and rules and regulations being the same, about how many trailers you can stack onto a rig kind of stuff. You know, a lot of that stuff was the debate points on those things, Mike. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was just – I have a lot of Mexican truckers. You know what I mean? I have an operation in L.A. And most of my truckers are Mexican or Latino.

[00:52:09] And how's this, man? They're good people. How's this? People that are willing to work and listen and believe in the American dream always will make it, in my opinion, if you want to. You know what I mean? This is a land and opportunity. This is why everybody came here and why America is so great. You know, so how's this? If you want to come here legally and live the American dream, it's still possible even though I feel the window is closing. But how's this? It still can be done.

[00:52:40] Yeah, I don't have any problem with Latino truckers. I just have an issue if there's different laws and people don't understand them, if there are language barriers that can cause some problems. I think it, you know, creates safety concerns and, you know, all kinds of different things. And I think that's really what the discussion points are. Are the borders easy to work nowadays? I know they're locking down on the borders. Are those handoffs difficult? So the border has been kind of for yes and no. The easy part is that we run to the border. Like, let's say we go to Texas. We pick up produce.

[00:53:10] We pick up Arizona. We run to the warehouse where they kind of cross back the produce. It's called a cooler. We wait for the Mexican truck. He gets across. We reload it from Mexican truck and air truck. And we continue. And then, obviously, you know, the Mexican truck goes back to Mexico, redoes the whole circle. So do we. It's been good. You know what I mean? How is this? It's difficult when we have to cross into Mexico because of the cartels and everything and liability reasons, insurance.

[00:53:36] I don't know if even I could insure my trucks to even go in there because of the liability reasons. They just disappear. So, I mean, how is this? I like the system. It's working. I don't like to fix something that's not broken. I say if we continue down this road, this would be good. Mexico does our part. We do our part. All right. We're flat out of time. Mike, thank you so much for coming on. I realize that truckers are in a difficult spot. One, because we need a lot more truckers. That's for sure.

[00:54:05] It's the way 70 plus percent of our goods get around this great country. It's kind of like farmers. You've got to understand, hey, food just doesn't appear on your table. You've got to think about the farmers. And then you've got to also think about, hey, how do these things get to your door? It's not magic, folks. Truckers work hard for you. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. Mike Kacharski, ladies and gentlemen, doing a great job. JKCTrucking.com. They're one of the largest refrigerated trucking companies in the country.

[00:54:35] And he's saying, hey, we've got to have crucial planning and work together to work through this. Hopefully it'll get better in nine, ten months if we all get on it together. That's the directive. Hang tight. Hour one of the Cantu coming up. God save the republic.