Radio Show Hour 1 – 02/07/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news the network refused to use. No doubt starts now. This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for, wow, it's just crazy, February the 7th.

[00:00:40] In the year of our Lord 2025, this is Hour 1 of 2 and the goal always to protect life, liberty, and property, to promote God, family, and country, and to do so on your radio and the traditions of our founding fathers. Yes, indeed, we use the blueprint for liberty, the supreme law of the land, the constitution of the United States of America as our guide. And as you know, we reject revolution unless it's the Jesus revolution, and then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace. The checks and balances brilliantly put in place by the founding fathers, one of the peaceful restorative solutions we still have at our fingertips.

[00:01:09] And as you know, folks, it's a freedom-loving, fantastic, faith-filled. We're taking America back, one heart, one mind, one issue at a time. Friday, that means the doctor's in the house. Welcome to the broadcast. And Dr. Scott Bradley, freedomsrisingsudden.com. Welcome back, sir. Well, thank you very much, Sam. I hope everybody is having a fantastic day. It's really kind of a strange day here.

[00:01:35] We've got like April showers bring May flowers kind of day. We've got a drizzle going instead of a snowstorm this time. I hope the snow's coming in the mountains, though, because that's kind of our backup plan, our reservoir, if you will. And as it comes down in the spring, then we've got enough water to take a shower and get a drink of water. But right now, it's raining at my homestead. That's good news. It's getting warmer, sir. Every day, the global warming's happening. Oh, man. I'll tell you that, man. Do you want to know why?

[00:02:06] Why? Because spring's coming. Every day, it gets a little bit warmer and warmer and warmer. And that's just what it does. You know, that is a fact. The weather does change. So now you believe in global warming. I got it. We just don't believe in the political lies surrounding global warming that deceives all the people and makes the... You know, when you and I talk global warming, we're thinking God warms the planet and God cools the planet and there's seasonalities and it's cooler at night and warmer in the day. And, you know, that all makes sense. These clowns have a government decides what the appropriate temperatures are.

[00:02:35] And if the appropriate temperatures aren't what government says they are, then, hey, we've got a problem and government has to interfere in our lives. And that's where the lies begin. I do believe we have God's green earth that he's asked us to take care of. And, hey, seasons change. And if you keep the commandments, things are peaceful. And if you don't, then, hey, the Lord sends some reminders called storms and things like that and natural disasters and everything else is a reminder to turn to him. But other than that, hey, see, we're on completely different pages when we discuss these things as most of the problem, doctor.

[00:03:04] Well, and the fact of the matter is that, you know, there have been warming times and there's been cooling times. And, you know, 120, no, 225 years ago, we were in a kind of a mini ice age in the United States and around the world, literally. There's been times when there's been higher CO2. CO2 is a good thing. The other day it was dang cold. I felt like we were in an ice age. I'll tell you that right now. It was really cold. Well, that's right. A couple weeks ago.

[00:03:31] But you stop and think CO2 is plants. They breathe that, if you will, and give us oxygen back. And if CO2 goes up, hey, the crop, you know, the crop should be more prosperous. There's just things that happen. Well, if CO2 goes way up, you need humanoids to breathe, you know, have oxygen and they'll put off CO2. Then you got to plant more trees, right? That's all. Yeah. Plant some trees. You know, I think it'll work out. I think it'll work out. So do plants breathe then, doctor?

[00:04:01] Is that what you're saying? Well, they, I don't know if you can say they've got a set of lungs on them or anything like that, but they do, you know, they certainly turn. They certainly turn or they use the scientific process to go one direction and we go the other direction when we breathe, right? Yep. And it's a symbiotic relationship. Oh, imagine that. They do good. Can you imagine? Whoa. We can't have that. How can government get in the middle of that and screw that up?

[00:04:28] Well, government only does what it does nowadays in this matter to have control. Yeah. You got that right. And that's why I bring it up, ladies and gentlemen. Look, we can even use the same terms. We can even agree on, but we're so different from our understanding. See, we believe God's in charge. He's the ultimate weatherman is my buddy. Kurt Cosby likes to say. And when God's the ultimate weatherman, you know, he's got this. And the best we can do is keep his commandments and try to be good stewards and all that kind of stuff. And we're not at odds with the earth. We're in harmony with the earth.

[00:04:58] In fact, we're the humans are the grand jewel, if you will, of the earth and its creations and stuff like that because we're God's children. And see that when you look at government and you take God out of the mix or you're, you know, you want this kind of idea that we're just going to trust in the arm of flesh or whatever words you want to use for this, then, hey, everything goes off the rails because it's just up to whoever wants to make up the rules for whatever power trip they're on. That's what we're talking about when it comes to this kind of climate change stuff, doctor.

[00:05:27] Well, the you mentioned the word steward, you know, that has that's a laden word. That means that we have responsibility to care for that, which has been put into our power or care. Roger that. Yes, sir. OK, OK. Your family, you have a stewardship to your family. You have a stewardship, you know, within your businesses and so on and so forth. Government is a very poor steward. Almost everything they touch really goes upside down and backwards. Now, they the founding fathers knew this.

[00:05:57] And so they gave a certain specific set of stewardship to the general government. Of course, our state governments are equally supposed to limit and bound their activities to the specific things. And if you read the Declaration of Independence, it talks about all men are created equal or endowed by their creator. So created and creator and with certain enable rights and mentions a few. And then it says it's the purpose of government to secure those rights.

[00:06:22] That's the principal primary purpose to secure God given rights. And all these other liberty and property. Me. Yeah. Yeah. All these other things are kind of noise. And yeah, they have to spend money to do the things that they've been charged with. But the problem is that they've gotten so into the spending money and the redistribution of wealth and everything. It's got it's turned into a socialist system where government owns and controls everything. And we're a mother may I society.

[00:06:51] And and literally and truthfully, we use the power of government. It's it's the most onerous power on Earth. And that's why it has to be limited bounded. That's why they put these rules and regulations on going to war. It's got to be vetted very carefully. I saw a thing here recently where McConnell's kind of worried we're not going to be interested in going off to foreign wars anymore. Come on. Bravo, Sierra, my friend. I hope we're not.

[00:07:18] I hope we're going to just stay home and be peaceful and happy and work with other nations diplomatically and everything else. I hope, you know, Mitch melting down. I guess he got hauled out of the whatever in a wheelchair or something like that. This poor guy just needs to go home and rest like Joe Biden is all I could say. Anyway, we digress, except I want to bring this up because it seems like government just seems to be involved in everything. And even the good guys, you know, we would say Trump and many others that a lot of people would say are the good guys.

[00:07:47] And in many ways, I think Trump's done a lot of good. Don't misunderstand the point. But it seems like even the good guys think government should do everything. Okay? So there's a headline that I've got here that I don't really understand this very well. It says this. Federal judge blocks Trump's Musk. Musk.

[00:08:13] So Trump and Musk's what they call government buyout ultimatum, UPI.com. So you literally have, you know, Elon Musk and those guys trying to say, hey, let's let's do these buyouts and get these people out of government. Let's reduce the size and scope of government. Even the buyouts now are put on hold by a judge. And so here's what I find interesting. Everything that Donald Trump is involved in, 99% of it's not even general government responsibility.

[00:08:42] If you look at your constitution, I mean, 90% of the things they're battling over and discussing aren't even governmental responsibilities. If you look at the supreme law of the land. However, judges seem to be able to shut down anything the president does. Now, I'm not saying the president has unlimited power. I agree with the checks and balances, but is it right that these single robe judge thugs can just say, hey, no. So, hey, I want to get rid of a bunch of employees. I'm going to give you a buyout so that it's fair. I'm going to give you a severance. We just don't need all these people in the modern age.

[00:09:12] We can use computers and technologies. I mean, in the private sector, that's happening every single day. Twitter or whatever you want to call it, X kind of showed that example back in the day. Everybody thought he, you know, nobody could make the changes that Elon Musk made, but he made them successfully. And is it perfect? No. And, you know, are there some things left on the table? Maybe. But, you know, he did it. The private sector does it all the time. When government tries to do it, you got a single judge that says no. Then Trump tries to, you know, say, hey, no anchor babies.

[00:09:41] We're getting rid of that. That's not what the 14th Amendment was intended for. Boom. Another lawsuit. Judge blocked it. Shut that down. So really what we're seeing is just a contest between the executive branch and the judge, robed judges who think that they're, you know, more powerful than Donald. And to me, what you need is Congress to do their job and step in and say, courts, you're out of line. If you keep doing that, we're going to impeach you clowns. And a president, you know, you have the right to do this and don't have the right to do that.

[00:10:10] Whatever you think, we're going to clarify this. That's what the legislative body should do is clarify what the laws really are so that they're not just bounced to the courts and to the executive orders and this and that and that. It's almost like the battle of individuals we're seeing with unlimited, unchecked power to see who's God. And I don't believe that's the truth. Of course, there's only one God. I'm just that seems to be. Go ahead and skip the break, if you will. That seems to be what it is, doctor.

[00:10:37] And what we need to do is go back to the appropriate intentions of the founding fathers. Well, indeed. And Jefferson has a lot of things he's written about this in regards to the equality of the branches of government. And each one has a responsibility to evaluate and act in accordance with the Constitution. No one single body has that. Everybody, the Constitution said, you know, really? Okay. Okay.

[00:11:03] If you're in the legislature, you evaluate every bill based upon a constitutionality. You pass it or fail it based upon that. Executive is supposed to sign it or not based upon that. And, of course, the judicial does the same thing. Let's go back for just a second, though, Sam. You mentioned this buyout thing. Let's give a little backstory in case people haven't been following that.

[00:11:27] But I think it was the 28th of January that Trump says, okay, we're going to do a buyout. There's some layoffs pending. We're going to do this in a kinder, gentler way to take the term from Bush. So if some of you guys are wanting to get out of Dodge, we're going to give you eight months worth of severance, if you will. And so you need to decide by the 6th of February. And that was yesterday by midnight.

[00:11:55] And a judge intervened and said, nope, nope, we can't do that. And he put it off until Monday, if I recall correctly. So Monday, come Monday, I think over this weekend you're going to see a lot more sign up for it. I think that there may be as many as 100,000 people sign up for it. As of yesterday, I think the number I saw was 40,000. So what happens is you work until basically the end of February if you sign up for it. And then you get your severance and you get to go.

[00:12:24] You're basically, as you're employed, you get your paycheck and your benefits for eight months. And the downside to the people is if... So you literally get a huge severance and then you get to basically hang out for Christmas and then worry about it in 26. Right. Well, it's not quite that when you end up on the thing. But the fact of the matter is it's a pretty, you know, lucrative and fair kind of thing.

[00:12:49] And the downside to the people, if they don't take it, is, you know what, there's going to be some shakeups. Let's just say they get rid of the education department. And so all those guys, maybe you're going to be looking for a job. Okay. And there's others. There's USAID. Now, USAID, of course, is a civilian kind of... They pay people outside the country. What is the criminal slush fund? It violates the Constitution.

[00:13:19] It was started, by the way... Yeah, so don't you think criminal slush fund really describes what it is? Well, over $50 billion are administered annually by USAID. And it's kind of a socioeconomic kind of thing. And it started back in the Kennedy administration. Shame on John, right? September of 61, I think, Congress passed the bill.

[00:13:42] And then by executive order, Kennedy brought it into effect in November of 61. Anyway, so they're saying, no, these 10,000 people that are with USAID, they can go by the wayside. And so there are people in the federal government. There's going to be not just downsizing. There's going to be kind of a reevaluation of who has what jobs and so on and so forth.

[00:14:08] And by the way, kind of as a corollary to this, now I've heard numbers all over the board regarding how many people went home during, you know, April, May of 2020 for the COVID thing and then never came back. And some people are, I really believe, are outlandish in saying, man, almost nobody came back. And I think that's probably an overstatement. But let's just say 50, 60 percent of them came back and the rest of them never have. Everybody's been for five years, Sam.

[00:14:38] They've been working from home if they've been working. Maybe they've been on the golf course. Maybe they've started another business. They got another job. I don't I don't know. And the issue is that Trump is now saying everybody's got to come back to the office. There's a lot of people saying, no, no, no, please. No, I like this thing. And it may be the ones that, you know, have been enjoying the golf course or maybe doing another job. But that's going to be reevaluated and people are going to say it should be. Yeah.

[00:15:05] And so if if we really need only half the people in the office and everybody else is doing another thing, fine, let's say goodbye to them. And so that might be people legitimately that are working from home that don't need to come in the office that could produce, you know, evidence of their. Solid work, you know, et cetera. And there's nothing wrong with that either, necessarily. No, no.

[00:15:27] I mean, let's you know, if the job needs to be done, but let's make everybody absolutely confident in the fact that virtually everything that is currently being done by the general government, probably 80 percent, not everything. But if you look at the expenditures that are happening, the outflow of our, you know, American taxpayers dollars, about 80 percent of it's probably unconstitutional.

[00:15:52] I mean, and like, you know, there's all sorts of wars that are going on that are truly a violation of everything, moral and godly and as well as the Constitution. By the way, Trump's been making some noises. He's going to bring home the troops from Syria. I say, good man. And I sure pray he does. Yeah, I do, too. I do, too. But but that's the problem is that that a lot of this stuff is being evaluated.

[00:16:21] And people are saying that the apple cart's being turned over, the the shakeup is being extreme, blah, blah, blah. But it's about time. I mean, we have become a leviathan. There's about two and a third million federal employees. And if 100,000 of them say take this, that's just they're scratching the surface for what needs to be removed, I think. That's right. I think it's just a scratch surface. And it's a complete meltdown. Everybody's rioting. Everybody's freaking out.

[00:16:50] Now, U.S. aid being dug into by Doge and everybody's freaking out about that. The problem is, is that you don't know what the truth is anymore in terms of the news that you hear. It's very difficult to get the truth. So I'll give you an example. Some are saying, hey, I can't believe Elon Musk has access to his little clown kids that are brilliant. Children have access to all this stuff and it's classified and they shouldn't have access to it. That's all a big lie. OK, Trump actually didn't create Doge out of thin air.

[00:17:18] He really repurposed another government program that doesn't require congressional approval. That's under the executive branch. And anyway, it's a big, long story. But hey, Elon has every right to do what he's doing. But you might get rogue, thug judges that stop, you know, elements of this. And then they're out of line. And the problem is, you just can't get the truth on things. So let me give you some examples. U.S. taxpayer money found flowing to drag queen shows in Ecuador.

[00:17:47] Michael Schwarz, Western Journal dot com. So you look at that and you go, what? What? I kid you not. That's where we are, doctor. Well, I don't even know if that's true or not. I believe it's true. I don't either. But I've seen some of the reports about stuff like let's just take something that's even millions or even billions of dollars that have happened. I mean, 50 plus billion dollars going with USAID. Totally unconstitutional. Unconstitutional. There is not a shred of authority to do that. They say, well, Congress passed it.

[00:18:18] Congress does all sorts of unconstitutional things all the time. Well, that doesn't mean they have the authority or the right to pass something just because they do. Did you see? Back in the day, didn't the government say black people couldn't marry white people because it was, you know, a problem? And hey, the government got into marriage on that whole premise. Well, the dreadful Scott decision. I call it that is the dread Scott decision in the 1850s. He said people from Africa can never become American citizens.

[00:18:45] I mean, there's been all sorts of look at Roe v. Wade. I mean, there's just a lot of trash that goes on. But there's all kinds of whacked out stuff the courts do, too. And they're out of line and out of control in many cases, too. There's no question. And again, we look at the job description of everybody. You look at the limits and bounds, the checks and balances, all of the, you know, the sandbox, if you will, the general government can play in is completely defined in the United States Constitution.

[00:19:14] And the Tenth Amendment says if it ain't there, it ain't anywhere. You did not get it. You do not have that authority to do what's going on. And so when, you know, Mitch McConnell's worried we're not going to go off to any more foreign adventurism for a while, or maybe ever, holy cow, look at it. We haven't had a constitutional war in my lifetime. In my lifetime. Not once, not ever. That's true. So we've really got to kind of think through this.

[00:19:43] The next headline that I find fascinating is this. Trump has now ordered the General Services Administration, that's the GSA, to end every media contract that has been expensed by government workers. Now, that's interesting wording. But see, the debate's on now. So what does that mean? Right?

[00:20:10] Why would the government be funding the media at all under any circumstances? Well, they are. They've got the National Public Radio guys, for example. I mean, that is a socialist radio station. I mean, and they get funded heavily. They've got stuff like the National Endowment of the Arts, where they fund arts. I mean, who the heck? I mean, what says the U.S. government can fund? Oh, well, it's pretty. We think we ought to have a nice-looking society.

[00:20:39] You know, there's plenty of independent funding that can be done in these kinds of things. And here what we're doing is kind of a zero-based budgeting kind of thing. Kind of like Liberty News Radio, you mean? Or Liberty Roundtable, Loving Liberty, all private organizations. We've got to fund the government with our tax dollars and their media to compete with ourselves, that kind of stuff? Absolutely. And the fact of the matter is that it's an unfair playing field. I mean, we see that, you know, you take money by force.

[00:21:09] Government takes money by force. I don't know if everybody really knows that. But try not paying your taxes for a while, and you'll see. Yeah, you'll end up sadly like Ken Cromar in prison for a long time. A big hammer comes down on your head. But the fact of the matter is that they're not just making a playing field not level. They're also straying off in areas that were never, never, never intended. And you say, well, there was no radio back in the founders' days. Well, right.

[00:21:38] But they didn't run the presses either. There were independent private operations, and the press people ran it. So what we're doing is, like I say, zero-based budgeting. Every single expenditure, I think, is kind of what Musk hasn't said this specifically. But what they're doing is they're looking at every expenditure, they're looking at every budget, and they're saying, let's prove that they really, first of all, ought to be doing this.

[00:22:05] And second of all, is it being done right, you know? So anyway, this is a shakeup, and there's a lot of people really uncomfortable with it. Very uncomfortable, you know? Well, I'm one of them. Yeah. Because I fund both, even though I don't want to, right? The fact is, I fund both. Now, I don't even know how to respond to a lot of this, because there's just so much confusion,

[00:22:33] so many lies, so many manipulated truths on this, I'm having a hard time knowing what's really the truth. So here's the headline from Newser. And Newser's a pretty good organization, in my opinion. But here's the deal. Here's why the White House is canceling political, or I should say politico, politico subscriptions. It all comes back to a conspiracy theory, writes newser.com.

[00:22:59] So they have this big article, and they say it's a conspiracy theory that's driving this. Press Secretary Caroline Levitt speaks during a briefing of the White House, they say. And then they go on, and they talk about this whole thing. And so it's a debate, you know? They say it's a right-wing conspiracy theory, Dr. Bradley. And you've got to go, well, what does that mean? Well, they say it started trading Wednesday.

[00:23:29] The claims that USAID, the federal agency in the crosshairs of Elon Musk's DOGE, for years has given millions of dollars to politico. Then they say that's not true. Now, here's the interesting part. But yet they're mad because thousands of government subscriptions to politico are being canceled. So now you've got to debate what's true.

[00:23:57] They're saying it's not true that they gave money to politico and the New York Times and all these big news agencies, Bloomberg and everybody else. They say it's not true. But then at the same time, they say the problem is they want to cancel all these subscriptions to politico, to the New York Times, to all these things. Well, I don't understand it, which is true. Anyway, we'll come back and talk about this because it's very fascinating, in my opinion.

[00:24:22] They say here's why the White House is canceling politico subscriptions. It all comes down to a conspiracy theory. They're just intentionally muddying the waters here, as far as I can see. Hang tight. Liberty Roundtable Live.

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[00:30:14] From atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right, so did I make it clear as mud before the break? Yes, I did that on purpose to make a point, folks. They want you to believe that everything's confusing and that it's so complicated you just can't know, you can't figure it out. The government's in the right, Trump and team are in the wrong, and boy, howdy, how dare they.

[00:30:41] Criminals in the White House just muddying everything up, but it isn't true. So the headline talks about this conspiracy theory, and the conspiracy theory is, hey, Doge says USAID is spending tons of money on the media. And so the mainstream press comes back in a very complicated, weird lie and says that's a conspiracy theory. It's not true. Well, so I'm saying to you, okay, how then, if it's not true,

[00:31:09] would they be worried about a bunch of subscriptions being canceled, right? That's the debate. Well, the headline, which I believe is true, is Trump has ordered the General Services Administration, GSA, to end every media contract.

[00:31:29] Listen, every media contract that has been expensed by government workers. Oh, that's the bridge connection to the whole story, if you pay attention, ladies and gentlemen. Because here's the deal. Individuals in government sign up for these subscriptions. And so they're saying, hey, USAID isn't doing it. It's individuals that are government employees that are doing it. That's the first thing.

[00:31:59] And second thing is they say, hey, USAID didn't spend that kind of money. It's across all different government agencies. So technically it's a conspiracy theory to say, hey, USAID is doing all this. It's not true. Well, Trump just simply boiled it down and said your government and called it USAID because that's the aid that we're giving to these media companies, right? So USAID is spending all this money and we're going to stop it. The mainstream press comes back and says, oh, that's a conspiracy theory. But they're splitting hairs.

[00:32:28] So here's the real point. Federal agencies spent a combined $8.2 million last year on, quote, paid subscriptions to Politico. It's called Politico Pro. And they did spend that money. So if we want to play games and say, well, it wasn't USAID that did it. It was individuals in the government. Okay, fine. Oh, well, it wasn't USAID. It was all government departments.

[00:32:53] Then the headline says, so, hey, they did spend $8.2 million, but they're saying it isn't really true. Well, then they say this, another telltale reality.

[00:33:03] It's not clear whether other outlets that government agencies slash workers subscribe to, which include the New York Times and the Washington Post and the parent company of Wall Street Journal, will also see subscriptions canceled. So they're talking out of both sides of their mouth. On one hand, they're like, hey, Trump and those guys are into a big conspiracy theory.

[00:33:33] USAID's not spending all this money like they're claiming. That's a lie. But when you dig in, they're going, when you get in, yes. When you get in, ladies and gentlemen, you find out that it's individuals that are signing up for these subscriptions with your government dollars. Part of it's USAID. Part of it's just across the board, all kinds of government agencies. The bottom line is, and here's the facts. The bottom line is the government's been funding the media for a long time, and you wonder why.

[00:34:02] Ken Cromar from prison. Welcome to Liberty Roundtable Live, sir. Good morning. I'm doing so well. I'm talking about USAID, and they claim that USAID didn't spend all this money on government media subscriptions. But it turns out the government across the board did spend a ton of money on government subscriptions, and it's a disaster. And the debate's raging about who should be blamed and whatever. You are on a broadcast that doesn't take any government money, sir.

[00:34:37] Dr. Scott Bradley's with me. Ken Cromar from prison. Give us an update. We know your general story. Yeah. Miracles in God We Trust dot com is where you go to read Ken's whole story. But the bottom line is, hey, the IRS has persecuted and prosecuted him, and now he's in prison. Ken? Yes.

[00:35:01] It's Barbie and Ken versus Goliath IRS has kind of been, and we've been fighting a false claim that we have 65 cents that came forward from the district court. We believe it was from a weaponized whistleblower IRS political enemies out of Cedar Hills, where I was a city councilman exposing corruption.

[00:35:29] As you know, Sam, we've talked about this many times. And so we've been on this fight for a long time, and we were found guilty by a kangaroo court in the state in Provo in June of 2022, and then apprehended in Wyoming by a 13-man FBI SWAT, and extradited into Utah and have been trying to fight and defend myself ever since.

[00:35:59] And we went to court in May 21st through the 31st of last year, and I was defending myself against four IRS representatives on the other side. They wouldn't even let me have somebody to handle the papers, but we did a good job. I did a good job considering the circumstance. Standing alone there even took the jury two, three days of deliberation.

[00:36:26] They normally just go out for an hour or two, according to everybody I talk to, and give a guilty, guilty, guilty. But three days later, they came down with one not guilty and two guilties, unfortunately, because the judge gave them incorrect instructions.

[00:36:42] When I say incorrect instructions, it was literally days later that the Supreme Court in a case called Moore v. United States on June 20th of 2024, just this past year, said what federal income tax is and what it isn't. And what we had been telling the court is exactly what the Supreme Court said was correct.

[00:37:07] And in essence, without calling out the IRS directly, said that direct non-apportioned taxes as claimed by the IRS being supported, they claim, by the 16th Amendment is not true.

[00:37:24] Which means that over the past 50 years, the American people have been having their money stolen by a hoax that claims a legal authority to require federal income tax from the working labor of all Americans. It is not true. It is a hoax.

[00:37:47] And we hope to get this story proven out by the very same Supreme Court that corrected the record, providing the first comprehensive explanation of federal income tax from the founding of this nation to present day, in which they explained that we have not had a proper, direct apportioned federal income tax as allowed and required by the Constitution since the Civil War.

[00:38:17] Since the Civil War. So Barbara and I, we have been standing on truth in behalf of all the American people, and we've suffered greatly. We've had our home taken from us, the contents of our home emptied into seven dumpsters and taken to the landfill. We've lost our reputation of honor. We've lost our families, our life, liberty, and property, I guess is what I'm trying to say, and friends and church associations.

[00:38:47] And I'm facing six years right now in Pahrump, Nevada's Southern Nevada Detention Center is what it's called, the very place that Ammon Bundy and Ryan Bundy suffered for two years before they were exonerated. And I hope mine is sooner than that because I'm facing six years at the moment. So there's the update.

[00:39:11] And by the way, I could end up in Englewood, Colorado is where I'm scheduled to go eventually here in the next few days. And last, we can get a pardon from President Trump for all kinds of people. We're working on prison reform. Dr. Bradley, you want to chime in on this thing? This is what's going on. I went and tried to testify on behalf of Ken Cromar, and the judge literally kicked the jury out, scolded me, tried to hold me in contempt to court, and then basically came back and said, oh, ignore everything Sam Bushman said.

[00:39:40] He literally said that to the jury. Yep. Yeah. The manipulation of the courts has become quite a phenomenon of despair. But really, Ken, from what you're saying, it sounds like, you know, if something like a pardon doesn't come, that, you know, you ought to vigorously pursue an appeal.

[00:40:04] If the Supreme Court has taken your slide, use that as the basis of bumping it up and see where we can go. I mean, yeah. So that is the plan, it sounds like?

[00:40:49] The Supreme Court has taken the court, and it's been a part of the court that we had put before the judge November 14th, which by statute requires a response within three days, 20 if requested, none of which happened. And the court was in contempt of court by December 5th, and we could not get the judge to address a habeas corpus to prove that he had authority to hold me.

[00:41:14] And he wouldn't address it until sentencing on the 23rd of December. He said he denied all the motions that we'd made asking for subject matter jurisdiction to be explained. He couldn't explain it, wouldn't explain it, or attempted to explain it, I should say, and did it incorrectly in defiance of the Supreme Court case. And what happened is that he said, is there anything else? Have I missed anything after denying ten motions six months later? Six months late, I should say.

[00:41:44] I said, yes, sir. We need to know about the habeas corpus. And he said, well, in light of everything I've said, there's really no need to address the habeas corpus. And I said, yes. I read him from Amger and explained how it's contempt of court for it not to happen. He said, well, I'll do it at some point. And he waited until January 8th, and then that's the most recent appeal that we filed. But I should also tell you that we intend to take this circuit court rubber stamp likely to support the lower courts. That's what they do, as you well know.

[00:42:14] The courts are that corrupt now. They have to defend what they've been doing for the last 20, 30 years in the Tenth Circuit. And we'll take it right to the Supreme Court. Your old friend, Barbara and Ken, may be at the tip of the spear of putting this spear right in the heart of the IRS and kill this thing once and for all. We sure pray that's true. Donald Trump cranking up tariffs. And I've maintained that if he cranks up tariffs, that's fantastic.

[00:42:43] But what he's got to do is abolish the IRS and decrease taxes on the other side. Or the American people domestically get caught in the crossfire where there's just taxes everywhere. Grievous to be born. But the problem is the judges have just been, you know, they used to have, the judges would have to obey the law. Now the judges think they're above the law, and they are the law, and they're literally a god in their courtrooms. Dr. Bradley? They are. It does indeed. I mean, there's a lot out of whack.

[00:43:11] But, Ken, am I understanding correctly you have actually been sentenced, or has that still been postponed?

[00:43:59] You know, close. Within 500 miles is the law that Trump put into place. You've got to keep prisoners near to their home. And thank goodness for that. That was in the previous, his previous. Yeah, 500 miles is way too far, but I get the point.

[00:44:15] Everybody is so excited about President Trump, and we hear rumors that ICE is on overdrive. They're just pumping people through here really fast, and there's a lot going on regarding ICE.

[00:44:39] But there's also belief that nonviolent criminals, you know, will be released if they're in camps, which is supposedly where I'm going. I'm worried that they may punish me and ship me around the country. Yeah, they'll do some diesel therapy for a while first, sir, to make sure you comply properly.

[00:45:38] But just as a side note, how is Barb doing? Oh, my heavens. Yeah, the problem with that is the reason you haven't been able to speak to her is because she's basically off the radar.

[00:46:07] What they want to do is hunt her down and put her in prison too, right?

[00:46:10] And he talked to Pharaoh, and he said,

[00:47:46] Thus saith the Lord God, let my people go, that they may serve me. That's Exodus 10, 3. You know, the good Lord knows what he was trying to do. We're in those very end times, and I believe that the people will be set free if for a brief time to be given the chance to repent as a nation.

[00:48:07] We really need to repent as a nation, and the Lord will protect his true followers from what's coming because what's coming is prophesied. There's no getting around that. But the righteous can prevail and be preserved, and that's what the Lord wants. And I believe that your friend Barbara and Ken here are doing all that we can to do our part. It's not fun. Tell us what it's like in prison. How are they treating you? What's it like?

[00:48:35] They put me into solitary confinement for my protection.

[00:49:15] Yeah, so instead of putting, in my opinion, the person that made the threat in solitary confinement, they put Ken in solitary confinement. Isn't that interesting?

[00:49:25] Yeah, I was thankful I was able to get a Bible.

[00:50:46] I spent time reading Joseph in Egypt, Job, most of Isaiah and Revelation. And other parts of Scripture. Well, I'll tell you, having a good book was really a help. But it's not fun. The food is not good. I've lost 33 pounds at one point. I've gotten some of that back. Just the food is not great.

[00:51:14] And there's a lot of people that are around me that, frankly, there's murderers, there's rapists, there's dealers, drug dealers. There's just all sorts of people around me. And, frankly, surprisingly, though, there are – well, not surprisingly, I should say there's other political prisoners here, which I can't tell their stories for their own safety.

[00:51:38] But you would be amazed at some of the most remarkable people that you could meet who are doing a similar fight in different ways for different issues, national issues. And I don't think it's any accident that I'm where I'm at and been able to help with a nightly call to prayer that's grown into a Scripture study. We used to have four or five when I first got here. Now there's anywhere from 10 to 18 that show up, depending on the night.

[00:52:07] And people are hungry for light and truth. And speaking of which, I had not really seen the sun for 490 days before I got here. And now where I'm at, there's actually a corner of this large warehouse of 88 people that are fellow bunkmates in an open warehouse, literally. Four columns by 11 columns of bunk beds.

[00:52:37] And we're all just stacked on top of each other. But there's a corner where the sun can actually come in. And people say, why are you sitting in the sun? And I said, if you hadn't seen the sun for an over-ear ear, you'd know. And I just love sitting in soaking. You have one minute remaining. Ken, you need to give us a parting shot. You've got one minute.

[00:53:56] Thank you for using Global Tell Link. God bless you. Ken Cromar, we're flat out of time this hour. Dr. Bradley can respond next hour in detail about this. Political prisoner Ken Cromar speaks live on your radio from prison. Ken and Barb were forcibly removed from their home in Utah County, Utah on June 25, 2019 by armed-to-the-teeth government thugs. It's been downhill in prison ever since for Ken.

[00:54:25] Is the IRS criminal or is Ken Cromar criminal? I submit to you that it's the IRS, judge, jury, and executioner. All right, hour one on the can, hour two coming up. Hang tight. You're listening to the one and only Liberty Roundtable Live. You're listening to the one and only Liberty