Radio Show Hour 1 – 02/05/2025

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[00:01:05] Ladies and gentlemen, I had on Stuart Rhodes, founder, president of Oath Keepers, Yale graduate attorney, on the broadcast the day before January the 6th back in the day. It's kind of interesting how all that went down. Criminals everywhere. We'll talk about that. But we've been praying since we heard that Stuart Rhodes got prosecuted by the Biden administration. 18 years in prison, these clowns claim.

[00:01:35] So we've been calling on President Trump to pardon Stuart Rhodes fully, restore his rights. I did a video on this, ladies and gentlemen. And the video that I did on this, let's see if I can find this here. Anyway, I did this video, libertyroundtable.com. Check that out in defense of our dear friend Stuart Rhodes. Because this is a clown show. We'll get into it. Stuart Rhodes, back on the radio with us, out of prison.

[00:02:04] Thank God and welcome back, sir. Hey, Sam. How are you? I'm doing fantastic. How is it to be free? Well, it's wonderful. About 95% free. I've been commuted but not pardoned. So I'm out, but I'm still a felon. I still have all my veterans benefits stripped from me. So there's quite a bit left to be done. So there's 14 of us that were commuted and not pardoned. And we really need pardons. Amen to that. We'll be doing everything we can to affect that in reality.

[00:02:33] Now, here's what I find interesting about all this. They say Stuart Rhodes, convicted of seditious conspiracy and released by President Trump, visits Capitol Hill. So you peacefully tried to go to Capitol Hill to talk about it. They freaked out. They panicked. We'll get the details on that. But here's what I find interesting before you go on that.

[00:02:57] Then the headline says Judge Rescinds Order Preventing Oath Keeper's Founder Stuart Rhodes from Visiting Washington Without, quote, Permission. The judge who put the travel restrictions in place blatantly acknowledged that the Justice Department would not uphold it. This just goes to the whole point that I'm making about it's a clown show. The judge basically saying, hey, Trump commuted Stuart Rhodes. I'm going to prevent Stuart from going to the Capitol.

[00:03:27] Oh, the Justice Department won't uphold it. Stuart goes to the Capitol. It was all peaceful. Bureaucrats freak out. Can you go back? Well, what happened is that because I was commuted, not pardoned, like I said, I'm still a felon, I believe President Trump's intent was with the commutations as with the pardons to release us from all obligations for probation.

[00:03:50] But the judge's interpretation and the BOP's interpretation was that I still had to go and serve 18 months of supervised release, probation. Restrictions on travel, restrictions on my access to the Internet, no social media without permission. So all of that was still in play. Well, I went ahead and when I got out of prison, I went straight down to D.C. and helped protest against the continued confinement of some of the men in the D.C. jail. They were slow walking, releasing them.

[00:04:20] It took three days. And by the way, they're still doing that, right? There's still people that are there that should be released. Well, Jeremy Brown is the biggest example of Oath Keeper, Special Forces veteran who was pardoned by President Trump. But the powers that be are claiming that his weapon charge out of a federal court in Florida is not a J-6 case. Well, it really is. It's directly a J-6 case. They searched his home only after J-6.

[00:04:45] They planted two grenades in his property and also a file, supposedly a secret file, a top secret file. But on the way in, just like at Mar-a-Lago, they turned off all the security cameras. So it's straight up a J-6 case. He should have been pardoned for that as well. But like all the rest of us, they're pushing back and playing cutesies with everyone they possibly can. So with him, he's still in prison.

[00:05:12] There's still others that had other charges that are all J-6 related. It's all lawfare. So we're still fighting to get them out of prison. So that's what I was doing on Wednesday the 22nd. Two days after I got out of prison, I went to Capitol Hill and I met with – went along with Ivan Raiklin, who's a Special Forces retired lieutenant colonel. Yes, we know Ivan. Ivan. Right, okay.

[00:05:36] We went to the office of Gus Bilirakis, who is the congressman in the district where Jeremy Brown lives in Florida. So we were there with his mother and his girlfriend, Tylene, advocating for his release. And the congressman's down with it, of course. Him and his staff are wonderful. So then after that, we went down to the cafeteria in the basement, had lunch. And then the media caught sight of me. Someone in the media did. So we walked out in the hallway. There was like 20 reporters all around us.

[00:06:04] So we just held court for an hour about how the election was illegal and unconstitutional and stolen. COVID was a – it was a COVID coup. COVID was used as an excuse. All that – all the reality. The reality of J6 that was manipulated and used as a Reichstag fire event, you know, grossly exaggerated beyond what it really was. All that truth. There's a lot – cops lied on the stand. Two cops lied on the stand in my trial, in our trial, the Hillkeeper trial. We got caught – they got caught red-handed lying.

[00:06:33] So we talked about all of that, the use of informants. I had one very high from my organization. I'm still under a gag order. I can't say this person's name. But, you know, very high – my organization was recruited by the FBI, I believe, as early as August of 2020, possibly even before that. So we talked about all that to the media. Well, the judge got caught wind of that, and there was no restriction on me being in D.C., but he went ahead and issued an order that Friday and said, from now on, no oath keeper who has received commutation. He listed our names.

[00:07:01] You know, me, Kenny Harrelson, Kelly Maggs, Jessica Watkins, all my co-defendants could not be in Washington, D.C., or in the Capitol. I'm not sure how I would get to the Capitol without going through D.C., but I guess because I'm an ex-paratrooper, he thought of my parachute. I really don't know. And he's got to make double sure. Yeah. You know, right? Right. So he makes double dang sure.

[00:07:27] Because what if you took one of these new hovercrafts that are cruising around the East Coast, you know? I'm just saying. Right. That's wrong. So – but Eagle Ed Martin, who is the new acting attorney for D.C., stepped right up and filed a motion, pressed the judge down and said, you have no authority to do this. It's beyond your scope anyway because President Trump commuted these people, which shouldn't be on any supervised release.

[00:07:51] So the judge's response was to issue an order granting in part and denying in part Martin's motion, saying that while the judge does not recognize President Trump's commutation as wiping out his sentences, he understands that they won't be enforced. So, therefore, we're not under supervised release. It's really strange. So he's not admitting that there's no such thing as supervised release for us. He certainly still has the authority to do that.

[00:08:19] But he's kind of saying, well, because you won't enforce anything to the executive branch, then I'm going to go ahead and let these guys go from supervised release. So now I'm free to travel. I'm free to be on social media. I was on X for two days, but then X has been in my account. I have no idea why. So if the lawfare continues, I think it's probably holdovers from Twitter who are still inside of X. Yeah, hashtag Elon. You've got to intervene and stop that crap, buddy. Come on.

[00:08:49] I signed up for Premium Plus for X. I paid $299. I don't care about the money. I want my money back. I want my free speech back is what I want, not the money. So that's where I'm at. You can check out Stuart's updates, though, and updates on Stuart's behalf at StuartRhodes.Substack.com if you want to learn more now. Go ahead, sir. Oh, that's all I was going to say is that I'm back fighting.

[00:09:17] So out of the gate, fighting for release of my brother, Jeremy Brown, fighting for release of other people that are still wrongly held. There's still other J6ers. I don't have their names from the tip of my tongue, but unfortunately. What about this idea that you never went into the Capitol? You got the Proud Boys guy that wasn't even in the state. Right. And they're basically saying, hey, these guys are guilty. Here's the interesting thing. Some of the clowns that hate me, as you know, Southern Poverty Law Center, IREHR, Rolling Stone, they've attacked me relentlessly, too. Right.

[00:09:47] And here's what they say. They say Sam Bushman interviewed Stuart Rhodes the day before. Sam Bushman should go to jail, too. Oh, that's what they say. These people are crazy. That's what they're saying. Well, they're communists. Of course, they hate free speech. So all this was about was, one, stopping Trump from getting back in the White House. They wanted to disqualify him under the 14th Amendment, make it so he could not serve again. Two, put him in prison. Three, make him unelectable in their eyes. If you smear us enough, then no one will vote for him.

[00:10:17] That didn't work. Look, then all that failed because God uses for good what man means for evil, right? He just got stronger and stronger. When all that failed, they tried to kill him, and that failed, too. And God used that for good, too, because that's when he won the election. Because I was in prison when we saw him get shot in the air and then jump up like a man and respond like a warrior when it's just in the air. Everybody in the pod cheer, black, white, brown, everybody, because they respect him as a man.

[00:10:46] And that's why he won. He won the working-class vote right there that day on top of the hyperinflation and the open boards and all the other insanity of the Biden administration. I believe that moment is when his true character came out. You can't fake that. That's just who he is. So that's where he won. Like I said, God used for evil what man means for good. And I feel the same way about my incarceration.

[00:11:10] Now, one of the things that happens when corrupt, rogue, thugocracy government goes crazy like they've done in this example of January the 6th or IRS attacking people or whatever when it becomes judge, jury, and executioner is just out of control. There's no checks and balances. There's no rule of law. They're just rogue thugs. When that happens and people get abused like that, they become sworn enemies of corrupt and rogue government. Listen, clown media. I said corrupt and rogue government.

[00:11:39] Okay, I'm not anti-government. I am anti-rogue government. I stand for the proper role of government. But I digress. What I'm saying is they end up making enemies who will fight them for life. For example, I got attacked by the IRS one time, had to pay back a bunch of money, eventually got that all squared away. And anyway, I bring that up because I've been fighting the IRS for the last 30 years on that very topic, and I'll fight them until the death.

[00:12:06] Okay, well, what's happening is when they've done this to these J6ers, now you've got 1,500 and all their allies and partners and friends and associates and social media, whatever, reach, who are basically saying, you know what, this is so wrong, we will fight them forever. So now that you guys are out, I'm not talking hostile retribution violating the law, but I am talking about we will do everything we can to expose everything they've ever done. This has just started, right? Amen.

[00:12:35] And what we need is we need, I think truth is the answer. The truth will set us free. And when it's done in the dark, it should be brought to the light. Expose it. That's what I called for in 2020. I was in multiple open letters of President Trump. It's one of the reasons why they were so fearful of me being free. I said, President Trump, you have absolute powers. The president is the commander in chief to declassify any files held by the NSA, CIA, FBI, et cetera.

[00:13:02] All of the secrets, the swamp water in D.C. is the secrets. That's the swamp water they swim in. Protects them and also controls them, all the political elites. And if you drain the swamp by draining all the secrets, you expose them, which is the first step. Exposure is 95% of the fight. After that, of course, then prosecutions with whatever you need to do. Whether you assign special prosecutors or however you do this, that's what comes next.

[00:13:32] But exposure is the first step. That's why it's exciting to see Cash Patel talk about declassification and begin that process, actually. I think that's fantastic. More of that needs to happen on a larger scale. Basically, what Elon Musk did to Twitter when he bought it, the Twitter files exposing all the internal dirt, is what has to happen at every single agency and not just in the executive branch, but also the judiciary too and the legislative branch.

[00:14:00] All three branches need to be exposed. All the dirt, all the criminality, all the corruption, all the self-dealing, all the backroom deals, all the collusion. Like in our cases, obviously there was subordination of perjury. We had coach perjury on the stand, including by two Capitol Police officers, Harry Dunn and Officer Lazarus.

[00:14:22] We were both caught red-handed because Steve Baker from Blaze TV, for Blaze News, discovered a video of Officer Lazarus being in the tunnels under the Senate when he said he was with Harry Dunn. He lied. In front of the speaker's chamber. He got caught. He lied. And then he got caught. So that was not by accident. That was part of the plan. So the prosecutors coached them to do that. So that's what you call subordination of perjury and conspiracy to commit perjury. That's also witness tampering, right?

[00:14:51] Of course. Well, I mean, that's what perjury is, right? If you suborn perjury, you're obviously witness tampering. Sure. I'm just saying that they like to stack up charges. So, hey, it goes two ways is all I'm saying. Amen. I agree 100%. So I want to see, I hope the new DOJ will look at that case because we caught them red-handed because of Steve Baker. None of that was given to the defensive corps until after the facts Steve Baker found it.

[00:15:18] We were not provided with that video, proving where Officer Lazarus really was. They hid that from us. They hid that from the defense. That's a very common pattern. That's another problem, though. How much more did they hide is the real question, right? Yeah. Well, yeah. What else did they hide? Lots of video had blank spots in it, like the video of our men. Because what our men did is when they went inside, you know, they should not have gone inside. They blundered in there like a lot of people. But what were they really guilty of?

[00:15:45] Not even a trespass because no one told them you can't even be in here. The door is open from inside by somebody else. Just so people understand, I was outside, did not go inside. I was trying to locate my security teams. We were there for two permitted events on Capitol grounds. We're the security for the Latinos for Trump next to the Senate buildings in Area 7 and for Ali Alexander's event on Area 8, right outside the Capitol doors. That's where members of Congress were supposed to be speaking that day.

[00:16:13] That's why we were in D.C. was to provide security for those events and personal security details for Roger Stone and for Ali Alexander and his VIP guests. All right. Let me stop you there for a second that I think people need to really understand. The Oath Keepers have been going around the country providing security in city after city after city. They've provided security for our events in the past. They've done a phenomenal job. I mean, there's people who will testify all over the country of their peaceful, supportive roles that we're so grateful for.

[00:16:43] That should have been able to come out in court, too, saying, wait a minute. You guys are making this claim, but it's out of character from literally the decade before, plus that Stuart Rhodes and Oath Keepers have provided. It's completely out of context, and people should know that, right? Amen. Throughout the country, we provide security every single time we were successful. No one we protected was ever hurt by Antifa or any other radicals, and we never had to use force.

[00:17:12] Knock on wood and thank God, we were able to successfully deter them from even attacking in the first place. So 100% success rate. No Oath Keepers ever shot anybody, kicked or punched or bludgeoned anybody, or even used pepper spray against anybody all across the country. We were very successful. On J6, in fact, one of our retired Oath Keeper cops, Mike Nichols, helped Tariq Johnson, the black police officer who put a Trump supporter hat on his head.

[00:17:41] He helped him escort some police officers out of the Capitol. He went in with him. Another retired police officer from the Capitol. Went in through the crowd, helped him get through the crowd, helped him go inside, and helped him escort the police that were inside out through the crowd. That was not allowed to be shown to the jury. It was on video. They were not allowed to see that, and Mike Nichols was not allowed to testify. He was there in D.C. ready to testify, and the judge said no.

[00:18:08] So he wouldn't show any video proof or testimony about what you just said, about Oath Keepers' pattern of being helpful to police and being peaceful. Instead, the judge would not look to be shown at all. But he would show a confrontation from Louisville where a bunch of radical leftists approached us in our parking lot where we were getting ready to do our night duty guarding a gas station and a couple of pawn shops.

[00:18:34] They approached us on camera, of course, with young thugs in front with Glocks in their waistband yelling and screaming at us. And we were cool as a cucumber. We responded very calmly. But they showed that video trying to say that we, our presence in Louisville, caused trouble. So they would show a video from August of 2020. That was somehow relevant. But from J6 itself, on the Capitol steps, that's not relevant. That was what was done over and over to us.

[00:19:01] Well, and that's why I'm calling it a clown show because, look, these judges don't believe they have to obey the law. They think they're above the law and that they are the law. And these rogue thugs have got to be stopped. This judge that basically twisted Donald Trump's committing of your sentence, added his own little weird twist to it. These clowns need to be impeached for this kind of stuff. Right. Well, that's why we need the guys that were – there's 14 of us, all of us Oath Keepers are proud boys that were commuted, not pardoned. That's why we need to be pardoned, another reason why.

[00:19:30] Because now we're still felons. And the easiest way to snare us is to a false accusation of being felon in possession. And I was in prison with lots of men who were there for ghost guns. In other words, there was no gun found with them, but some snitch, some coerced or paid informant testified or test a lie, as I call it, got up in the stand and lied and said they saw this person with the gun. That's all they need, making a real real person back into prison.

[00:19:57] So a false accusation by some – by yet another one of their perjuring witnesses is all they would need. So we really need to have our rights restored, of course, fully, but also be taken out – fully out from underneath. Judge Mehta's boot in the back of my neck. I need to be made a free citizen – 100% free citizen again, not a felon, not a certified citizen. Let me ask you this because some people say, hey, if you get a pardon, you have to agree to it, and if you agree to it, it's an omission of guilt. Is that true? Do you know?

[00:20:27] I don't think so. No, there's a pardon called a pardon of innocence where the president declares you innocent. It's a pardon of innocence, and he can go back and expunge your record. And what they've been doing with the other pardons is that they're going back and they're dismissing all the original indictments. So they're trying their best to unwind these all the way, and I believe that's successful. But it's not being – unfortunately, not being done with us 14. I don't know why, but we have patience and faith that this will be still carried forward for us.

[00:20:52] But for some reason, whoever was doing this inside the president's administration set us aside for now at least. I don't know why. I hope they're playing the political long game, which is, hey, we didn't pardon everybody. We gave relief to people, but then we're going to look into it case by case. And I hope that happens because if we really look into it case by case honestly, let's go ahead and do it on national TV, buddy. I'm alone. Yeah, I'm game. I'm game.

[00:21:18] Let's have a real review because, of course, in federal court, they don't allow the public to see anything. You've got to be there in person. Media is allowed to listen over the phone, but the average American – Hey, the clown Democrat committee that lied and now they all got their own pardons to protect themselves and everything else. Hey, they put it on national TV, so why don't we just have it all come out? We'll expose all the thug informants and everything else. Name them and everything else. We'll do it on national TV, man. That's what I'm calling for. Amen.

[00:21:45] And there were Oath Keepers who pled to seditious conspiracy. We were all threatened with life in prison. That's not going to work on me, but it did work on a couple guys. They went ahead and pled out to seditious conspiracy, the worst charge of all. They got no prison time. They were left out while we were all – I was in solitary confinement for over a year, pre-trial, during my trial, and after my trial. The whole time, these two men were already – were still out. And they were only sentenced to probation. They weren't sentenced until just last December.

[00:22:14] Last minute, Jezmeta sentenced them to probation only. So no prison time. And they had signed on to a stack of lies being willing to testify. The government did not put them on the stand, but they still used their lies in the media, of course, to demonize us. So, long story short, those two got pardons, which is really bizarre. So why would the guys that turned on us and turned on President Trump and completely assisted the enemy, why would they get pardons? It makes no sense.

[00:22:42] The only way I can hope is that we could get them on the stand after the pardons, and if they perjure themselves, there's new trials, and they can also expose everybody and their dog because they've sworn to have to now, right? Well, what I want them – what I want to have those two men is they can redeem themselves. I'm a Christian. I believe there's redemptions available for everybody. But what they need to do now is be charged with perjury because they committed perjury. They signed on to perjured documents, and they need to be – then they can give a new deal that to avoid prison time for perjury, we want you to testify.

[00:23:11] They can't do it against those who put you up to the perjury, the prosecutors and the folks in the DOJ, wherever they might – where the chips may lay, right? It could be all – the chain could go all the way up to the attorney general. Fine. Let's start there, though. Have these men testify the truth about who suborned their perjury. That's what I want to see happen. Amen to that. I got a hard break coming up here in a couple of minutes. But when we get back from the break, Stuart, I want to talk about a couple of things that I really don't understand.

[00:23:40] And I'm a pretty smart guy, but I'm a redneck. I'm a talk show host. I'm not an attorney like you are, et cetera. But what the heck is – Recovering attorney. Recovering attorney. What the heck is seditious conspiracy, though? When we get back, I want you to talk about that. I also want to go into the Ray Epps example because this clown – Yes. They were even showing videos of this guy and all the different things that he did and whispering – One more thing, we're not allowed to show the – one more thing, we're not allowed to show the jury. Let's talk about that. Yeah. All right. Hang tight.

[00:24:10] Stuart Rhodes with me, ladies and gentlemen. Well-known founder and president of Oath Keepers. Will the organization continue? That's up in the air. To keep an eye on the ball and what's happening, of course, listen to Liberty Roundtable Live. But you can also go to StuartRhodes.substack.com, or you can watch my video in defense of my dear brother in Liberty, Stuart Rhodes. LibertyRoundtable.com. Hang tight. More in seconds. You're listening to the one and only hard-hitting news that it was refused to use. Talk show. Corruption.

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[00:30:13] Broadcasting live, from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Right in shotgun on the show today, ladies and gentlemen, founder and president of Oath Keepers, Yale-trained attorney. He's a recovering attorney, he says. Stuart Rhodes with me, ladies and gentlemen. Dishonestly convicted of a weird term, seditious conspiracy.

[00:30:41] What the heck is seditious conspiracy, sir? So that's a statute written during the Civil War to circumvent the Treason Clause, the protections of the Treason Clause. The Treason Clause requires that if you're accused of treason, which is making war against the United States or aiding its enemies in wartime, that it requires two witnesses to the same overt act or confession in open court. So it has extra evidentiary burden

[00:31:10] for the prosecution and protections for you. The Lincoln administration during the Civil War wanted to go after anybody in the North if they wanted to accuse of aiding the rebels in the South. And so they crafted this seditious conspiracy statute which just says, if you find that a person has resisted with force or conspired to resist with force, I mean, if you find a person has conspired to resist with force,

[00:31:38] the authority of the United States government, you may find them guilty of seditious conspiracy and sentence them to, you know, 20 years of control. Hold on. Then most of the cops that day and the FBI and everybody else has committed seditious conspiracies, sir, especially the two that lied on the stand. I agree. But here's the big point, though. There's no act element in there. Unlike the Treason Clause, which requires two witnesses to the same overt act as an act element,

[00:32:05] and most conspiracy charges across the United States require an act element. Yeah, but in your case, there was no act, but in these cops cases, there was an act. But my point is, is this statute doesn't require an act element. That's why it's so ridiculous, so pernicious. So it's ridiculous already anyway. But yes, in my case, the only thing they used against me, the only evidence they have is my free speech. So under Brandenburg versus Ohio, which is the standard for free speech, it's protected speech

[00:32:34] unless it advocates imminent violence that's likely to occur. I'm a YOLA graduate. I know where the lines are. I don't cross them. I might say something like, if you can't elect your president because they've stolen the election and installed a pretender, an ursipper, you are placed on the same position as the founding fathers. You're going to have to walk the founder's path. If we can't remedy this through the legislative process and through elections,

[00:33:04] you wind up being in the same place as them and you have to walk the same path, which is boycotting and nullification and at the state level interposition by our states to interpose themselves, all the things that Jefferson and Madison talked about and they can take you in the resolutions. And if it doesn't work, the federal assemblies, that kind of stuff. But if that doesn't work, then yes, eventually you'll defend yourself as they did when the Redcoats came for them and came for their leadership and for their weapons

[00:33:31] on April 19th, 1775. So we'll have to walk the founder's path. I'm not calling for imminent revolution right this minute. I'm just saying, hey, this is where we're at. This is the reality. At some point, when government goes too rogue, it's up to we the people to put them in check. As the Declaration of Independence itself says, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. That's all I was saying. But they don't like my free speech because along with that, I was urging President Trump

[00:34:00] to use that power of declassification. I urged him to invoke the Insurrection Act because he had a failure across the country to protect people's rights. The court system had failed. The left was in wide-open rebellion for the entire summer of 2020. It was a wide-open insurrection, a real insurrection. And they were fine with that one. Right. And that was a setup, I believe, because that was what we hear is what coerced Chief Justice Roberts to stop the Supreme Court

[00:34:29] from hearing the Texas lawsuit against Pennsylvania. Texas sued Pennsylvania over the election, and what should have happened is what happened in 2000 with Bush v. Gore. It goes in front of the Supreme Court because the Supreme Court is a court of original jurisdiction whenever one state sues another. They are the trial court in that case. They're not some appellate court for later on. Yeah, because we're beyond all the state courts at that point. We're beyond all the appellate courts. It's like, hey, we've got to remedy this because the states should be on equal footing. Well, that's what happens. That's the reality.

[00:34:59] Whenever one state sues another, it goes straight to the Supreme Court. That's how it's designed to be. They took... The case was rejected by the Supreme Court. You had Alito and Thomas saying we have no discretion not to take this case under our original jurisdiction, and you had Roberts, according to an insider in the court, screaming at them saying, if we take this case, they will burn our cities down. And that's why... Well, if they burn the cities down, then all you've got to do is arrest the thugs that are burning cities down. Right, which is what you can do

[00:35:29] with the Insurrection Act. That's the whole point of that being there from the founding also. The president has the authority. As commander-in-chief, he has the authority to protect the country, but Congress went ahead and passed the Insurrection Act to strengthen in the Civil War once again, make it even stronger because they saw failure. Like in the South, when you had a failure to protect the rights of the newly freed slaves, they could step in and say we're going to... The president's going to step in and put a stop to it. And you never have a conspiracy. It says when the president determines there is a conspiracy

[00:35:58] to violate the rights of the American people, he can take such actions as he deems necessary up to and including using the U.S. military. It's a very broad grant of power. so that means Trump needs to go after Joe and Kamala in a serious way. Well, he can use the DOJ now. I'm just saying under this situation we were in in 2020, we were facing a coup. You had a coordinated effort as they admitted later on in Time Magazine, a very coordinated conspiracy across the country which they give a partial

[00:36:28] limited hangout for in Time Magazine. And he called it how they conspired to save democracy. But whenever I hear them say save democracy, what I hear in my head is our power. They're saving our power. We're saving our power. So... And Trump's a threat to our power, not a threat to democracy. So that's what they did in 2020. And because it was a wide-open nationwide conspiracy and not just in government but also with all the NGOs and big tech and yes, within the judiciary, that's why President Trump had the authority

[00:36:57] to step in and say, under the Insurrection Act, I'm going to go ahead and go seize the evidence of election fraud. I'm going to conduct a rapid-paced investigation and while I'm at it, I encouraged him to do declassifying and expose all the elites. And he could have done that. He could have done that. And I think Trump's... Use military intelligence. You know, get it done. I think Trump's mistake is he underestimated them and now he knows better and hopefully that's the reality check going forward, right? But I'm just saying this is what pissed them off

[00:37:27] when I said this stuff. And so they used my free speech. On J6, I did not go in. I did not tell anybody else to go in. The guys that went in went in 20 minutes after Congress had already recessed so they didn't cause Congress to recess. They didn't breach the doors. They walked through doors opened by other people. But we were picked out of the crowd because we were oath keepers just as the proud boys were picked out. So even though my men did something even better than most people, collectively picked out along with the proud boys were the only people that were charged

[00:37:57] with seditious conspiracy, oath keepers and proud boys. And the reason why is to be, is to set up this big, nasty, scary, fake insurrection to then pin on President Trump. And the big tell is that on February the 16th, 2021, just like six weeks after J6, Benny Thompson, who would later on go on to chair of the J6 unselect committee, he filed a lawsuit and along with other members of Congress against Trump, Giuliani, oath keepers and proud boys

[00:38:26] alleging a conspiracy to attack the Capitol and quote unquote disenfranchise black voters. That was the accusation. So right there is where you see that their false narrative was already set. That's how early it was set. Everything else is just kabuki theater to get them where they're already planning on going. Yeah, let me say this. If the oath keepers truly tried to take on the Capitol, it wouldn't have gone down the way you saw it, ladies and gentlemen. It would have been a hard core. Now, I'm not saying that the oath keepers would do that. I'm just making a point

[00:38:56] that that whole idea is absolutely bogus, proven by the fact that Stewart didn't even go in and you didn't even bring your weapons into D.C., right? No. We left our firearms. I mean, I was driving from Texas. I always carry firearms whenever I travel, but I left them in the hotel in Virginia and so did all the other guys. Doesn't that prove the point unequivocally? Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's ridiculous. It would have been the most incompetent so-called insurrection in world history. We would have brought my operations lead

[00:39:26] for that day, Michael Green, a black veteran. He was a sapper in the military. He's an explosives expert. If we really wanted to take the Capitol, if he could have cooked up a bunch of IEDs, we would have brought our rifles. It would have been a horror show, but that's not why we were there. It wasn't our intent at all. I mean, we have the capacity to do that, but we have no zero desire. And that's my whole point is that it's obvious that was not the intent. However, there was a gentleman by the name of Ray Epps and Revolver Magazine did a great job on him. Epoch Times and other people have done great exposing him.

[00:39:56] Tucker Carlson has done some good there as well. This clown was whispering in people's ears right when he would do it and they'd come rip down barricades. He literally is on video telling people we will go inside the Capitol and people said, oh, he's a fad and he's like, anyway, all I'm saying is there's so much video. This guy's been dealt with kid gloves. We were not allowed to show the jury, in our case, the video of Ray Epps the night before on the 5th, telling the crowd in D.C., tomorrow you need to go into the Capitol. We could not show that.

[00:40:26] We could not show him on J6 urging people to go towards the Capitol. That's where your problems are. Go that way, that's what he was saying. We were not allowed to show him on video whispering in Ryan Samsel's ear seconds before Ryan Samsel pushed over the bike barricade there at the Peace Monument where he knocked a police officer unconscious when he pushed it over. That was not allowed to be shown to the jury. We were not allowed to mention Ray Epps' name or call him as a witness. None of that. It was all completely disappeared

[00:40:56] from our jury trial. And the same thing was done in the J6 dog and pony show, the select committee. They showed Ryan Samsel knocking over the barricade, but they clipped out Ray Epps whispering in his ear two seconds before. They cut that out. Ray Epps was completely protected and hidden from the public view, which makes no sense. You think they would love to parade in front of the public and the media an oath keeper. He's a former chapter leader in Arizona. You think they would love to parade that all over the place and say, see, there really was a plan by the oath keepers. Here it is. You know,

[00:41:26] he should have been sitting next to me in trial as one of my co-defendants, right? You would think. But he wasn't sitting next to me and I wasn't even allowed to even talk about him tells me a lot. That's all I'm going to say. Well, what we're talking about is Operation Infiltration. They did this to Ammon Bundy at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge the time they got caught. Ray Epps was not a current member at the time. He was an old member from way back in 2012 in Arizona. So he wasn't actually part of the oath he was any longer. But yes, you could say, right. But go ahead. But he's still using

[00:41:55] former knowledge and everything else, still using these kind of ties and, you know, helping put the blame on different people and everything else. And I look at this and I go, they did the same thing to Ammon Bundy at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge. And the only reason I believe the judge canceled Ammon's case is because they didn't want all the FBI informant people to get named publicly in the lawsuits and in the discovery. Well, the same thing's true with this clown show where the, what's it, Gretchen Whitmer is her name? Oh yeah, very much so. I was just talking to investigative journalists yesterday, Christine,

[00:42:25] all about that. She's very, very up on what happened there. It was really bad. Those men didn't commit any crimes at all. They were just, they were just, went on a little joyride and they won't even, some of them thought they were out doing a land navigation training. Another guy thought they were trying to track down a pedophile. So they were told different things to get them in the car. Yeah, some people thought they were doing a citizen's arrest on the governor. I'm not sure that's even true though. I'm not sure about that. But the point is though is that it was all completely entrapment. It was created

[00:42:55] and led by the FBI's own snitch. That's who led it. So I've endorsed Kash Patel in writing. So has Sheriff Richard Mack endorsed Kash Patel in writing. Do you think he can really get to the bottom of this because the government has been involved in entrapping people ever since, I mean, the first I knew about it was the Randy Weaver days, right? Right. Well, they coerced, they tried to coerce him and then he wouldn't do it. Then they snared him with an entrapment, with a, tried to coerce him into being a snitch. He refused to do so.

[00:43:24] Then they sent somebody else in and talked him into sawing a shotgun like an inch shorter than legal. And then they wanted to prosecute him for that. Yes, exactly. And of course they wanted to coerce him. That was another form of coercion. Their deal that would have made him would be, well, you have to flip over and become an informant now. Now we got you. Now you have no choice. They do have people all over the country all the time. Not just in political cases against the right, but across the spectrum. There are many guys in prison that I know. One young man I know in prison, he was 18 years old,

[00:43:54] wanted to be an Army Ranger, bought an AR-15, began to train in his local range. They sent in an FBI, a local retired cop working at the range said, oh, he's doing tactical training. So he called the FBI on him. And the FBI sent in an ex-Hills Angel biker covered in tattoos, as he claimed to be, to become his buddy and his shooting buddy. And long story short, he snares him eventually by offering him, you know, hey, wouldn't it be cool to have a full auto? And, you know, he offered him some select fire

[00:44:24] M4 series, AR-15 series. So he went ahead and agreed to buy them. Then he gets swarmed by 30 federal agents. And now he's in prison for seven years. And now he hates this country. He hates the federal government. He doesn't want to serve this country anymore. So, you know, good job, feds. They took a guy who wanted to serve this country and turned him into a felon that now is very bitter. So that's what they do all the time. Is the swamp too deep or do you think if we get a cash patel in there, we can really get to the bottom of a lot of this? Well, I think this is systemic corruption. It is. That's why he needs

[00:44:54] that they need to use whether it's Tulsi Gabbard and working with I think it should be conjunction of Tulsi Gabbard and Cash Patel identifying if it's a legitimate secret like it's operational security for American operatives overseas or Yeah, we get that. We agree with that. Right. Of course. But if it's not, if it's all the other crap that they're hiding behind the, you know, a false or improper classification as Cash Patel points it out. Yes, it should all be exposed. Everything. Do like WikiLeaks style.

[00:45:24] Put it up for the public to see. Throw all the doors open. Dump out all the skeletons in the street and show everyone all the dirt on all the elites. That's how you beat the deep state. If you try to do it piecemeal and trim the branches it's not going to work. You got to go to the root and the root is like I said that's how they control them. That's how they protect them. It's those secrets. Throw the doors open to the CIA and dump all the skeletons out of the closet. NSA, FBI, DHS, all of them. Same thing. Let's go ladies and gentlemen. We're going to call it

[00:45:53] Operation Clean House. All right. So I've got an email or I've got a article from WorldNet Daily and others now. Headline says it's been confirmed that the FBI used 5,000 agents among its 13,000 total. So 40% literally on these J6 cases. Now, I know they say there was like 24, 26 FBI agents. There are only a couple of them on quote official business da da da da. We don't know how many other CIA

[00:46:22] or other Homeland Security or other government agencies were there. We don't know any of that yet. Hopefully we can get 5,000 agents. They followed up on they say 2,400 cases. Now, 2,400, if you say there was a million people there in the first place is nothing, first of all. Secondly, out of the 2,400, they only got 1,500 in their snares. People like me, they haven't been able to take down yet because, hey, I wasn't there and they're trying to make that claim and they're trying to have this big lasso.

[00:46:52] But the reason I'm bringing this up is really 5,000 agents to work on what turned out to be this clown show? The number is astonishing. And here's the real question. What real crimes are happening in the country while they're just derailed by this? Well, we know of one. You have the radicalized American Muslim from Houston who killed people, murdered people in a jihadi attack for ISIS in New Orleans. So that was going on while they were not even looking in his direction

[00:47:22] or the direction of radical Islam in this country. They were instead focused entirely on the right. So yes, this is why I believe the FBI should be disbanded and along with the CIA. Their entire history, look at Cointelpro back in the 60s, their entire history is dirty. Yeah, they've been wiped out from the beginning. Yes, that's what they do. That's what they are. They are a political secret police sent out to do the bidding of who's in charge against their political opponents or to go snare

[00:47:51] average Americans who just got there doing their lies. Almost always, recently, it's targeted at gun owners like that young kid. He wasn't any kind of a radical, quote unquote, didn't belong to a militia or anything. It targeted him because he had an AR-15. He was young. That's it. But they see that as a threat. They don't want young men training with firearms. They don't want young men having a war ethos and being traditional American men. They want, because of that toxic masculinity, right? So it's a war on American manhood

[00:48:21] in large part. That's what it really is. And that goes across the spectrum in all demographics, black, white, Hispanic. It's a war on manhood. And that's why the men, the working class men in this country, overwhelmingly voted for President Trump because they know that's what's happening. All the transgender stuff, all the ridiculous DEI that they're doing to us, it's all about attacking masculinity and destroying families and destroying our communities. And we're waking up to it. That's the silver lining is the more they pushed, the more the masks came off. When they did their final push,

[00:48:50] this last three years the mask has gone almost all the way off. And now Americans can see it and we're pushing back. All right. A lot of people have this term Oath Keeper and they've literally maligned that term and name for a long time now. And I'm sick of it because I think it's bogus, folks. The fight for our constitutional republic is not over. We must defend our First and our Second Amendment rights and stand together for liberty. Will you stand with us? So here's my question to you, Stuart. Without interruption,

[00:49:20] let you say what you want to say. What does it mean to be an Oath Keeper? Well, it just means to keep the oath you swore. Like I swore an oath when I turned 18 and 1983 I joined the Army to be a paratrooper. I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. That oath requirement is in Article 6 of the Constitution itself. The founders put it there. It's not just a good idea. It's what they mandated. And it requires every officer at every level of government from the president down to the local dog catcher, federal and state, every branch, executive, legislative,

[00:49:49] and judicial, must take an oath to support the Constitution. And the genius of that design is that at any point in the chain of command, if you say, no, this is not complying with the Constitution, this order is illegal, it's unconstitutional, it's following the supreme law of the land, you can stop bad behavior and stop bad action. And that's what's good, that's what's possible to happen. Unfortunately, in these alphabet agencies like the FBI and the CIA, most of these men have just set aside their responsibility to their country

[00:50:18] a long time ago and they serve the powers that be because they want to keep their job. And so, you know, the founders and their genius also understood that as a problem. That's why they didn't want professional standing armies, they wanted a malicious system. And that's going back to why I believe you have to disband the CIA and disband the FBI and DHS. You can have a military, our military used to do our intelligence for us, it's all you really need. And we lived in this country just fine before we had any of these agencies. And they can pass it to the private sector and deal with 3,000 sheriffs, so.

[00:50:49] Well, sure. You can do that. But you can also, they also need to reform the judicial system because you have systemic lying, you have perjury being suborned by the prosecution in conjunction with cooperation with defense attorneys. They're collaborating on this to get the client to lie on the stand, to agree to sign on a stack of lies. And then they have him sign and say, well, I have not been coerced when he has been coerced. Like President Trump said in his Meet the Press interview, it's a very nasty system where a man's offered two years or 30 years.

[00:51:18] You go to trial, you're going to get 30 years. You're going to get convicted or you can take two years. And hey, by the way, here's the deal. Now we want you to testify against five other people. And most people, you know, unfortunately do that. I refused. There's no frigging way I'm going to ever bear false witness. As a Christian, I refuse to do that. And also, I see myself as a POW. I'm not going to aid the enemy of my country. There's no frigging way. But other men, you know, they do succumb to that coercion. And that's been done across the country for decades, not just in political cases, cases.

[00:51:48] So they have this all the time. And the judges know it's coercion. They all know. Everyone pretends they're not being coerced and they're not committing perjury, you know, coerced perjury. But they all know it's true. That's the problem is that all of them are repeat players in a corrupt system. It's absurd, including the defense attorneys. They know it too. We're about out of time. It's gone way faster than I've wanted it to. Of course, we'll have you back. What have we overlooked that you want to say to America right now, Stuart? Well, I think the big point about J6 is

[00:52:17] the presumption of innocence. Like, I've heard people say, well, you shouldn't pardon these guys because they were committed violence on that day. Here's the thing. Every American is presumed innocent until proven guilty in front of a fair jury of their peers, an impartial jury, and in front of a fair and impartial judge who will enforce their rights, like their right to present evidence, their right to get exculpatory evidence from the prosecution under the Brady rule. So that was not done in any of our cases. They drew the jury pool

[00:52:47] from the so-called victim pool. The judges described the people of Washington, D.C. as the victims, but they insisted on drawing the jury from those people. It's as though you were accused of robbing a Walmart. They drew the jury pool from the people that were at the Walmart on the night of the robbery. It's absurd. So you're not going to get a fair trial in Washington, D.C. It's absolutely impossible. And of course, the political bias in D.C. is so ridiculous. These are radical leftists. These are people that, like my jurors, admitted they had gone to Black Lives Matter protests. They had gone to the pink hat

[00:53:17] anti-Trump protest, the pro-gun control protest, the March for Our Lives. They've done all these radical protests throughout the Trump administration. These are Trump TDS suffering, Trump haters. And when you get thrown in front of a jury like that, they're going to find you guilty just because you're a Trump supporter. And in the end, the jury was told that they could infer an implied conspiracy to exist by osmosis, I guess, unspoken. As the Oath Keepers walked up the steps, they formed this unspoken conspiracy.

[00:53:46] And the judge instructed them that they could use my free speech as state-of-mind evidence against us. And that's what they did. It's all about identity crime, who we are, and our free speech. That's all it was. So everyone should be pardoned absolutely because no one got a fair trial. We're praying that Donald Trump pardons Stuart Rhodes and many, many others. I think it's beyond the J6ers and the pro-lifers. I think we need to create a political prisoner commission. And every good Friday, we ought to go ahead

[00:54:16] and just release names of people that have been wronged by this government, just have a train of usurpations for the public to see and understand and reset the narrative. Thank you, Stuart. We'll have you back, my friend. God bless you. Stuart Rhodes, everybody. You want to keep up on what he's doing? StuartRhodes.substack.com. We'll also keep up to date on what he's doing. Our prayers are that we can get to Donald Trump and have a complete 100% pardon. God save the republic.