Radio Show Hour 1 – 01/28/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news that never refused to use, no doubt, starts now. This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for January the 28th in the year of our Lord, 2025.

[00:00:39] This is Hour 1 of 2, and the goal always to protect life, liberty, and property, to promote God, family, and country through so on your radio and the traditions of our founding fathers. Yes, indeed, we believe in the checks and balances brilliantly put in place by the founders, one of the peaceful solutions we still have at our fingertips. As you know, we reject revolution unless it's Jesus' revolution. Then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace. Good news. Sheriff Mack in the house. Sheriff Richard Mack with me. He's the founder and president of the Constitutional Sheriff's of Peace Officers.

[00:01:10] Association, CSPOA.org. Become a member of the Posse today. Welcome back, Sheriff. Thank you, Sam. It's great to be with you this beautiful Tuesday morning. Amen. It is a beautiful Tuesday morning, that's for sure. And, man, we've got a lot to talk about really quick. And then some great guests for both hours today. So let's just dig right in.

[00:01:29] And Tom Holman says he owes, quote, no apologies for the, quote, mass deportation operation undertaken by the Trump administration. Now, what's happening is Selena Gomez literally did this media thing where she's literally melting down and crying and saying, oh, my God, what has he done to her people? And I don't understand what her people even means. Nevertheless, when you're here legally, then you're a United States citizen. You're an American.

[00:02:00] And when you're here illegally, you're illegal. You're not an American. So I'm more of Selena Gomez's people, although I hate to admit that if we're both Americans. But I don't even know what she's talking about. But she melts down. Tom Holman says, hey, I don't know anybody any apologies for this. In the past seven days, by the way, ICE has ramped up its, quote, enforcement action, arresting over 2,000 illegal alien criminals.

[00:02:29] Yeah, considered to be, listen, a public safety and national security threat to the country. That's all taken place since the Trump administration took office literally seven days ago. 2,000 people already arrested and sent packing. I think it's fantastic news. These are criminals. This has got to change and stop. And I'm delighted that Donald Trump is delivering on his promise. Sheriff Mack, your quick thoughts on that one.

[00:02:59] Well, it's a great step in the right direction. 2,000 in a week, they're going to have to ramp that up quite a bit. Yeah, but all I can say is to get it started is pretty good. It is. It is. And a lot of people doubted that they could even do it logistically. And it's working.

[00:03:23] And so I think after they get more sheriffs involved, that it will ramp up and it will increase exponentially. So my hat's off to Tom and to President Trump. And Trump. Amen. It's going the right direction. This is what they said they were going to do. And they're doing it. And it is absolutely vital. It's vital. Selena Gomez notwithstanding, it is absolutely vital to the security of America. Now, I will say this, too.

[00:03:52] I agree that it's got to ramp up. But in their defense, you know, hey, they got it started. There's 2,000 chances less that you're going to be killed or your daughter is going to be raped or something horrible is going to happen. And what Tom said, speaking on TV, basically said, listen, this is just the beginning. We're about ready to open up the aperture on this thing. And when that happens, we will have massive increases in this.

[00:04:19] Donald Trump also promising military planes to fly these clowns out of here. So they're seriously gearing up. And those people who are opposing are starting to change their mind. They're even people who said it like the Denver mayor and said, no, I'm not going to cooperate. I'll even go to jail if I have to. Now he's going, well, I don't want the criminals here either. So we're changing hearts and minds as we go to Sheriff Mack. Yeah, we are. And, you know, there's other things that have happened with this.

[00:04:48] And I'm sure that you're going to get into that. But that is the J. Sixer who was killed by a police officer in Indiana two days ago. So it just blows my mind how these people have been treated. And then one gets out of prison and gets killed by a cop. Yeah.

[00:05:16] So the name is Matthew Huddle. He's from Indiana. He was pardoned by Trump for January the 6th. He has now been shot and killed by a deputy during, they say, an arrest. The problem is they're very glad to shout out the details of that, Sheriff Mack. That's made national news. But we don't really know the details behind it at all, right? No, we don't. And we're not going to jump to any conclusions.

[00:05:45] All we know is that he was stopped for a traffic issue and ended up getting a tussle with the cops. How extensive that was, we don't know. And the cop said there was a gun. He was pointed at him. Maybe it was. I don't know. But both sides to me are just too edgy. And, you know, this guy gets stopped by somebody. He goes, oh, no, here it goes again.

[00:06:13] And the cop sees that he didn't. And, by the way, he's panicking because he has PTSD from being in jail for all this time and for what all went down and how he was treated and everything else on that side. The cop on the other side being extremely overly probably cautious because, hey, this is supposedly a bad guy. We've heard how horrible this guy is for two years. Got to take action. You know, what was in his file is another big discussion and question, too, about what tipped the cop off to what, you know, he was thinking.

[00:06:43] What was in the file matters, right? And as a former patrol officer myself, I really want to know if his license, as soon as he ran his license, it showed that he was a domestic terrorist or something like that, something similar. I really want to know if that came up. If it did, I think that's going to count bad for the officer. But here's what we're calling for.

[00:07:11] We're giving the cop the benefit of the doubt right now. We don't know what happened. We know it's a horrible tragedy. We're praying for the family of Matthew Huddle. We're praying for his family and his loved ones. It's a horrible tragedy no matter what. But we do want to see an investigation to know really what's going on here. And the reason this is so critical is because you've got 1,400 and how many ever other people now being released, too. And if their names are in some database or whatever else, every one of them is at risk, Sheriff.

[00:07:41] Yeah. Yeah, that is true. And really, I'd like to run this past our first guest. You got it. The introductions are yours, my friend. Well, folks, we have a J6er with us who was just recently released in the past few days, released from prison. His name is Brian Mock, M-O-C-K, unlike mine, M-A-C-K.

[00:08:11] But that's actually how you pronounce my name in Spanish, Mock. So, Brian, welcome to the Liberty Roundtable. Sheriff Mack and Sam Bushman are with you. Thanks for being with us today. Thank you so much for having me on, gentlemen. It's an honor. Had you heard about Matthew Huddle being killed? Yes, a little bit about it. Obviously, it's early on and there's a lot of speculation and all that.

[00:08:40] I think you guys are 100% right. And I love the fact that people aren't freaking out on our side and, you know, allowing this process to play out. And we've seen time and again with the other side, the second that there's a shooting, people start losing their minds. And we've seen time and again with the violence. And, you know, then it's months or even years later that we see evidence come out and go, oh, wait a minute.

[00:09:09] And there's a whole different story here than what was being pushed as a narrative. So, absolutely, it's slow down. There's a lot going on. And my heart, my prayers go out to the family, of course, in all of this. And I know everybody within our community, it affected us. You know, it happens to one of us. I can't describe how emotional all this has been for the last couple of weeks and really the last four years.

[00:09:38] So, as far as the park, all this goes tight. How long were you in prison? Well, I've done two stints now. So, when I originally got picked up in 2001, I was originally supposed to be released. And I was in for about a year. The chief judge in D.C. said that the general public couldn't be safe if I was released pre-child. So, hold on. Let's slow down. Let's back up for a second.

[00:10:07] So, when you say 2001, you really mean 2021, right? Excuse me, 2021, yes. All right. Go ahead, sir. I'm sorry. Yeah, 2021. So, when they came and picked me up in June of 2021, the Minnesota magistrate originally ordered my bond and had me released. But they appealed it to D.C. and put it in front of an activist, Chief Judge Feral Howell.

[00:10:28] And she literally screamed at me in court and basically was not only judged but jury and executioner at a bond motion before I ever really had anything other than an accusation thrown out by the government and ordered me held in D.C.

[00:10:50] Which, really, it's an act of God that got me out because once people were held pre-trial in D.C., virtually nobody got out. But I fired my attorney and represented myself. And about a year later, I managed to get a bond and then spent two years fighting my case before I went to trial and then had to go back in and ended up doing eight more months in Sandstone Federal Prison up here in Minnesota. All right.

[00:11:18] Well, we're absolutely grateful, number one, that you were able to get out because unconstitutionally, most of them never got out. They just got held literally. It reminds me of Ammon Bundy. You know, this guy served for two years. At the end of the day, he was guilty of nothing. And his attorney got tased in court. And that was kind of the first time I've ever really heard of them just blatantly violating the Constitution and just holding people in no speedy trial. And so when was your trial?

[00:11:48] So my trial was in June, July of 2023. All right. So let me stop you there, ladies and gentlemen. So think about that. They're playing this game. So from, you know, 2020, or I guess it was 2021, January the 6th, right? You had 2023 mid-year. So two and a half years, no trial for Brian, right? Yep. Yep. So here's what's even more insidious with this. They didn't even have all the evidence together.

[00:12:16] The way that they did this trial for us is, first off, without us ever being able to argue it in court, they made us sign a protective order, which meant that we were not allowed to – they coerced us into signing this protective order, saying that we would not get our discovery unless we signed an order that said that we would not release any of it to the public. Now, meanwhile, they were cherry-picking whatever piece they wanted, and they would show that to the public. But definitely our side couldn't get out. So that was the first step. Hold on.

[00:12:46] I want to stop you there. Sheriff Mack, this idea that you have to sign some order that says, hey, you can get your discovery, but you can't share it with anybody, what are they hiding? Have you seen that before? Well, no. Quite frankly, I haven't heard – I mean, I've heard all this bad stuff about the J6ers,

[00:13:07] and Brian is an example of all of it, how judges went crazy, and the whole federal government seemed to go crazy. Congress went crazy. The January 6th commission went crazy. And then they went crazy after Trump, and they went crazy after these people. One thing I wanted to make sure we verify, because we've talked about this on the show before, Sam.

[00:13:33] So, Brian, when you were first picked up, well, one, were you ever extradited? And two, did you ask for extradition? Yeah, so, no, I got kidnapped from Minnesota. Basically, they put me on Con Air and ran me out to Oklahoma City and then on to D.C.

[00:14:01] It was probably so fast and whirlwindish. You didn't even think of the extradition then, did you? Yeah, no. I mean, it all – when this all goes down, you have – you can barely talk to your lawyer. You know, this is all being done via Zoom on – you know, during COVID, you had all these lockdowns. They literally used COVID to lock us down for, you know, 23 – it was 23 and 1.

[00:14:29] I mean, you were locked in your cell in solitary confinement for 23 hours, and you were out for one hour. But that one hour, you were still isolated. All you could do is come out and shower and make some phone calls, hopefully. And that was about it. So, we were complete – Yeah, so you get a little bit of a dog run for exercise, and then they basically handcuff you and put your arms behind your back so you can get unlocked to take a shower.

[00:14:53] And your clothes are in there with you in this little thing, and you can't hardly even dry off because your clothes are getting wet while you're trying to – is that all right? Is that how it goes? Pretty accurate. And to make it worse, when I showed up in D.C., it took me a few months to get transferred there. When I showed up, we were all supposed to be in an isolated pod, all the Jan Sixers together, which I eventually got into. But they put me in a gen pop, and there was roughly 120 almost all African Americans in D.C. D.C. is one of the worst jails in the country, if not the worst.

[00:15:23] When I showed up, the guards – there were three guys standing there, one orderly, and they looked at me, and they go, oh, this guy. They looked over at them and said, yeah, he's racist, extremist, and dangerous. Put him down in that cell down there. And then they would open up the cells for two hours a day for the 120 of us to get on six phones, shower, and there was a basketball court in there. And that's what we had. And literally, we had to fight for basic hygiene, toilet paper.

[00:15:51] Literally, the second they popped the cells, the first day opened, I had to fight to survive. I watched people get stabbed in front of me. Literally, about a half dozen stabbings happened in the 30-some-odd days I was in gen pop. You know, I was assaulted numerous times. They loved it because when someone got shanked, they could lock us down for days on end. I mean, it was literally torture.

[00:16:18] And the only reason that I made it through was, ironically enough, a Muslim kid who I'd come in with from Oklahoma said, don't believe anything that the police said. I've been with them for the last – sorry about that. But I've been with them for the last two weeks, and this is all lies. And then they – I actually stood up to the guards when they were trying to lynch a 19-year-old black kid. And at the end of the day, all these inmates in there were like, oh, my God, I've never seen a white guy stand up for a black guy like that.

[00:16:48] And so I became a little folk hero in that area before I left. Yeah, just proving how racist you really were, right? Yeah, exactly, exactly. Exactly. So they all knew the truth about the federal government and the lies they told, which was ironic because all the black guys I met in there all supported us. They went, yeah, we know it's BS as soon as we told them our stories.

[00:17:11] So – and then I eventually fired my attorney to represent myself and made it over into the Jan 6 pod. There's a ton of news out there, Brian, about you. I'm not going to accept any of it, and then I'm not going to bring up any of the details yet. We'll get into that in just a minute. We're with Brian Mock, ladies and gentlemen. He's from Minnesota, and he went to prison for January 6th. Donald Trump pardoned Brian. We're grateful for that, to say the least.

[00:17:39] But I want to hear – rewind to January 6th that day and maybe a little bit running up to that if you feel the need, Brian. I'd like to just hear your side. Tell me what happened from your reality check. Not all the allegations. Not all the propaganda. I just want to hear from Brian, right? Absolutely. I can tell you 100% what happened, and I will say this. I've read the Jan 6 report.

[00:18:00] The federal government and the mainstream media has hid 120 – roughly 120 minutes from the general public on what's happened on the Lower West Terrace. We have proof of that. It should – we should have congressional hearings showing exactly what happened there and then the treatment of us because we were tortured by our government. And plain and simple, when we showed up on January 6th, it was beautiful.

[00:18:23] We had over six hours of protesting going on, meeting with people, praying, singing, chanting, talking about the Constitution, talking about the election. There was no violence. When we showed up at the Lower West Terrace, when we walked up there – Hold on. Did you go to President Trump's speech and everything as well? Yes, sir. I went to the speech. I left just a couple minutes before it ended.

[00:18:48] We were towards the end, towards the Capitol, and it was getting hard to hear at that point. And so we proceeded on down towards the Capitol. I was with two other people, one of my best friends and another friend. So the three of us had driven down the day before. Who were you with? You're free to name people, sir, if you want to. Sure. I'll leave it up to them. It was my best friend. I'll leave his out. And it was someone that I was dating at the time, and I'll leave hers out as well.

[00:19:18] If they want to tell their story, we'll go from there. No problem. I just don't want you to feel muzzled in any way, sir. Go ahead. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. But so we go up to the Lower West Terrace. Well, as we walk up, there's already a crowd there. And you can't see up to the Lower West Terrace when there's that many people there because it's, you know, it's Capitol Hill. It's raised up. So we end up on this walkway that's, once you got on it, you were going. There was no turning back. It was a sea of people.

[00:19:47] And so you're in this river heading up on the Lower West Terrace. And as we get up there, we kind of spill out. And immediately I see this guy with blood all over his face. There's an old man on the ground just getting beat by the police. And I instinctively tried to go down to help him and just got pushed by the crowd off to the side. And I watch a woman reach down to help him, and she gets clubbed in the head by another cop.

[00:20:12] So immediately we went from just zero and peaceful to all of a sudden, you know, a war zone. And what's interesting is you go through the films when you actually see what happened is there was a line of police officers there. And nobody was actually doing anything. We were sitting there talking with the police and interacting, and they're just standing there, you know, about six feet apart, you know, social distancing. And nothing was going on. What did happen is there was about three people.

[00:20:41] I believe there were a couple of them, the Proud Boys, started – I don't know what transpired, but there was a little bit of a pushy match between them and an officer. And from up top, the Metro Police just opened fire on the crowd with rubber bullets and pepper balls. And then they came down and started tasing people indiscriminately.

[00:21:02] And that's when they grabbed the fences that you always see these bike racks – that you always see these bike racks that they were – people were grabbing and pulling away. Well, the police had pulled these things out and started shoving them into the crowd. Meanwhile, the rest of the crowd is coming up from the rally, and they're just getting pushed together. So it just sandwiches all together.

[00:21:30] And then they start – that's when they started, like I said, indiscriminately tasing. They started throwing stinger grenades into the crowd and then started shooting OC spray and then tear gas. But we were stuck in a spot where you couldn't go anywhere. And person after person is begging the cops, stop. They're questioning, like, why are you doing this? We aren't BLM. We supported you for the last year while they wanted you dead.

[00:21:58] And this went on for an hour, 20 minutes roughly, and just an onslaught. Every time you would get close, you know, the crowd would try to get away from tear gas and surge towards the line. If you touch one of the barricades, they'd start hitting you with these sticks. So this went on while we're begging them over and over again, and they keep pushing further and further into the crowd. Now, the narrative is that there was just a breach in the line, and all of a sudden we break into the Capitol, and that's the violence.

[00:22:27] No, there was 120 minutes where they, quite frankly, beat the shit out of us and blew us up while we begged them to stop. We have proof of it. It should be seen by the American public. I've got video after video after video that's been censored that I showed in court, and it didn't matter. I was threatened to be shot by a police officer. His hand came off his shield, and I instinctively pushed on his shield. I had video on recording where he said, I'll shoot.

[00:22:57] Can you get the videos to me? Yeah. At the moment I'm driving, but, yeah, as soon as I can, I'll get the videos to me. Because I will help put them out. Yeah, absolutely. I put this through at court, and, you know, I actually proved in court they charged me with kicking an officer. Actually, they said initially I pushed him to the ground and then kicked him. I proved that neither happened or could have happened.

[00:23:23] And the officer actually said in court that he wasn't sure if he had ever been kicked and that they put me in a picture of a guy that was standing there. And my lawyer, before I fired him mid-trial, had asked him, he said, well, of the two men, if you might have been kicked, who might have done it? And I was standing, sitting 10 feet away from him. He looks at the picture of the two guys, stares right at me, and he picked the other guy.

[00:23:51] So, in open court, he couldn't pick me out of a two-man lineup, couldn't say if he had been kicked. I proved that I would have had been 12 to 15 feet tall to have kicked him and was still found guilty of an assault. Pardon the pun, ladies and gentlemen. They're mocking Brian Mock in court. It's a disgrace, to say the least, ladies and gentlemen. There's so much to this story. We'll keep digging in on your radio. Sheriff Richard Mack with me. May CSPOA.org become a member today.

[00:24:21] Brian Mock with me. Brian Mock's from Minnesota, ladies and gentlemen. He got arrested for J6. He's been a political prisoner ever since. Thank Donald Trump for his release. Now we've got to start suing back and creating true accountability for the real criminals, don't you think? Hang tight, Liberty. Roundtable Live continues on your favorite talk station.

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[00:25:20] The president has signed a series of executive orders focusing on the military. One could result in a ban on transgender troops. Other orders roll back DEI programs and shield the U.S. by setting up a missile defense system similar to Israel's Iron Dome. The Justice Department has pink slipped employees involved in anti-Trump lawfare, arguing they can't be trusted to faithfully enact the president's agenda.

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[00:28:25] Remember, preparedness begins with PrepStartsNow.com. Former Sheriff Richard Mack recounts in his book the proper role of law enforcement. How he came to realize while working as a beat cop how wrong the all-too-common orientation of police officers is when they think of their job as being to write tickets and arrest people. Richard Mack tells of his personal transformation from by-the-number cop to constitution-conscious defender of citizen safety and freedoms. Learn what it really means to serve and protect.

[00:28:53] Purchase your copy at CSPOA.org. That's CSPOA.org. Why don't we say to the government writ large that they have to spend a little bit less? Anybody ever had less money this year than you had last? Anybody ever having a 1% pay cut? You deal with it. That's what government needs, a 1% pay cut. If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief.

[00:29:22] But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible. Who are they? Republicans. Who are they? Democrats. Who are they? Virtually the whole body is careless and reckless with your money. So the money will not be offset by cuts anywhere. The money will be added to the debt, and there will be a day of reckoning. What's the day of reckoning? The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market. The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar.

[00:29:49] When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency.

[00:30:13] Casting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Back with you live, ladies and gentlemen, riding shotgun at the sheriff. Sheriff Richard Mack with me, cspoy.org. Become a member today. Also, Brian Mock with us. He's a J6 political prisoner, finally pardoned and released. Thank the heavens for that. But they made him swear to an order.

[00:30:42] I guess that he can't really release anything or, you know, any discovery he gets has to be kept under wraps. But man, that didn't stop the other side from telling their dishonest narrative. It's a disgrace, to say the least. We're listening to Brian because what I don't like to do is hear the mainstream press spin or manipulation. Brian's telling his story straight out with no interruption, except for the hard breaks I have to take. And Brian was basically saying, hey, so they're trapped there. They're being beat by the cops.

[00:31:11] The cops are basically spraying bullets and all kinds of tear gas and pepper spray and all this crap against them. And they're stuck there. People are trying to flee, begging the cops to stop. That's where you were, Brian. Yes, sir. So, yeah. So we're going through this at that point. And there's a couple videos out there that are important. There's one of an elderly lady standing right next to the cops at the top of about five steps, roughly.

[00:31:39] And she gets hit by these police and knocked down the steps. Well, she gets up fairly defiantly and just puts her arms up in the air, back up where she was standing. And so then because she stepped back up those steps, they sprayed her with mace and then blasted her with a shield, literally knocking her, flying through the air, down the steps. And this just incensed the crowd even further. And to her credit, she got back up. She was a tough lady.

[00:32:08] She got back up the steps, raised her hands again, and got hit again by this shield. She did this like four or five times in the last one. I mean, she absolutely got launched off her feet, flying. And the crowd got worked up from that point coming to her defense. Meanwhile, at the same time, someone had broken through the line, actually two people. One got taken down and immediately handcuffed. The other one made it a little further. And like five or seven cops took him down.

[00:32:34] And a la Rodney King had his hands behind his back and just start. They were absolutely just closed fists, punching him, hitting him with sticks, stomping on him. And the entire crowd started screaming at the police to stop. And there's one video from kind of up top of this. And you hear the guy go, oh, my God, they're beating the hell out of that guy. And people are just losing it at that point, trying to get the police to stop.

[00:33:01] So that's when the Lower West Terrace fell, was when those two events happened. People basically just pushed by the shields. And the whole feeling was that we just wanted the police to go. A few fights broke out. But for the most part, people like me were pointing at some doors where the police started exiting through. And we're basically telling the cops to leave and pointing at these doors.

[00:33:28] For about five minutes there, I helped pick officers up off the ground and other protesters. And the whole time, I'm hollering at them to leave. At one point, these officers, someone was hitting me in the back of the head with a pole, some flagpole. I reached up, and at the end of it broke off, and I just threw it immediately.

[00:33:53] It didn't hit anybody, but it was important because years down the line when I turned down their plea deal, they hit me at the superseding indictment and charged me with an assault with a deadly and dangerous weapon because I threw a tiny piece of PVC that never hit anyone. And that would have enhanced me like 10 years on my sentence. But they didn't initially charge me with that. It was just retribution. I did beat that in court.

[00:34:22] The judge actually laughed it out. But it gives you an idea of how the DOJ was coming after us. As we progressed, I was actually, me and another guy were pointing at this door and talking to officers and helped lead about six to eight out through that door to what we thought was safety and was just going to end everything that happened. And I actually patted them on the back. And then I came to the last four cops that were kind of on an island by themselves, gesture to it.

[00:34:51] The one turns around and realizes they're on their own, and he leaves. I pat him on the back. And then I come to the next guy in line, and that's the officer that threatened to shoot me. And his hand comes off of his shield. You see it come down. And a split-second reaction, I push the shield. He slipped on the ground because he was standing on another shield, and it was all wet there. If you just looked at it, it looked like, you know, I blasted him and he fell. The reality was he slipped. I made contact with him.

[00:35:21] I always admitted, yeah, I pushed him. If that's a felony, I'll take responsibility for it. But what the problem was is to my right was the entire press corps. I had CNN, MSN, BBC, you name it, was standing next to me. And so that became one of the pictures of, quote-unquote, violence on January 6th of that day. And then, you know, immediately afterwards, you see me again pointing at the door,

[00:35:50] and all of us let these officers lead peacefully. We just wanted them out at that point and to stop attacking us. And the rest of the day I spent outside watching things. There was the violence in the tunnel, as you guys know, in Victoria, what happened there, and the death of Roseanne Boylan. I watched all that. I didn't participate in anything. People asked me to go up and get in that. I said, absolutely not. They asked if I wanted to crawl through a window that had been broken out. I said, no, absolutely not.

[00:36:19] I get shot or arrested if I go in there, and that's not why we're here. So that five-minute span made me, by my charges, one of the 81 worst of the worst of January 6th, which was ultimately one push of a shield and an officer slipping. The rest of the charges that they brought against me were absolutely manufactured or brought in retribution because I wouldn't take their plea deal, including the 1512 obstruction charge that they went after President Trump for

[00:36:48] that ended up getting overturned by the Supreme Court this past summer, which actually ultimately led to my release because I got out January 3rd on a resentencing where I argued and got time served and was released a couple weeks before the pardons and was effectively made homeless through all of this, and they just let me out on the streets. I had to live in a hotel for a few weeks until Trump pardoned us, and I was allowed to come back to Minnesota.

[00:37:17] Did we get on video this threat to shoot you? Yes. I found the cop next to him had a body cam, and it's hard to hear, but I never heard the first part of it, but I heard, or I'll shoot, and I've been saying it for years, and I managed to find body cam of that officer, and I played it in court. The judge said he couldn't hear it.

[00:37:42] I had a bench trial, not a jury trial, and the judge just said he couldn't hear it. Wait a minute, Sheriff Mack. Why aren't we supposed to have jury trials, my friend? Well, it's up to the defendant. Did you ask for a jury? Initially, that's what I wanted. The problem was is that when the Jan 6 Committee put out their propaganda,

[00:38:04] they actually had viewing parties in D.C. where they invited potential jurors out to have, you know, wine and cheese and watch their Jan 6 Committee propaganda, and every single jury was just finding people guilty across the board, and my judge actually seemingly liked me through all this, and to this day I think he did like me and at least respect how I handled myself while I represented myself in court.

[00:38:34] I was very respectful and tried to follow the law, and I thought I actually, as bad as everything was, I had a better shot with him at seeing the truth than any juror at D.C. because they were all honest. Well, that's the case one time. Yeah. Every now and again, I've recommended people to do a judge instead of a jury because juries are usually very ignorant about the law and about what their role is as a juror.

[00:39:05] And another thing that really bothers me about instructions to juries from judges is that they tell them they can only weigh the evidence and that they can't rule on the law itself. And that's wrong. We most certainly can and should. So I don't blame you if you're trying to go with the judge. Yeah, and as long as you get the opportunity for a trial by jury, then I'm fine with the choices. A lot of times people don't get that, Sheriff Mack.

[00:39:35] Yeah, it's up to the defendant. And sometimes I've even seen in times where the defendant was overruled by the judge or the prosecutor saying, no, he has to have a jury. That's just nonsense. You know? So anyway, the government's required to provide a jury. The defendant does not have to accept it if he doesn't want to. All right. I love that. Sheriff, what do you think of the whole story, though, man?

[00:40:02] The more we hear, the more we find out the government just flat out lied and became the provocateur. They had an agenda that day. That's something that we haven't been able to put people on the stand for and get context regarding, right? We saw that from Tucker Carlson a little bit and maybe quite a bit. And then Tucker got fired from Fox right after that.

[00:40:22] So Tucker had a lot of evidence, including about Larvita's good friend and ours, Vicky. So she was telling people to stop breaking the windows and that Trump people don't do that. And yet they went after her and put her in jail, too. It's all such nonsense and so unfair, and it looks like a banana republic type thing.

[00:40:50] But I've got to ask you something else, Brian. Why did you go? Why did you even go to January 6th? I don't know if you know this, but we told everybody not to go. Nobody went from the CSPOA. None of our members went. None of our member sheriffs went. Why did you go? Good question. One, I really felt compelled to go. And I've talked to a number of people that were there, and there's a ton of us that really can't explain it.

[00:41:20] A lot of them talk about it being just they felt like I wanted to be there. Whether you believe that or not, that's fine. I did feel compelled to be there. And one of the reasons is I wasn't there because of Donald Trump. Well, there was a lot of good people there. There's no question there was a lot of good people there, and I don't question that at all. But I thought you might have something in particular.

[00:41:43] But you told your son beforehand, if the reports are right, that you might not be coming back. You thought you might die there? Yeah, well, I had gone. The first rally protest I ever went to was actually December 12th. I was going back home to visit some family in northern Virginia. And me and a fellow companion with me, she and I went and just didn't even go to the whole rally. Went to the December 12th one.

[00:42:14] And one of the proud boys ended up getting stabbed there. And we had seen enough violence. And, you know, for what was being talked about on January 6th, I thought it may happen. You know, I didn't think it was probable. I thought it was a possibility. So, and I really didn't know what our government was going to do to us, quite frankly. So, we thought that we might have been attacked by our own government there. Sure enough, that happened.

[00:42:42] So, one of the reasons I really went there was because I was from Minneapolis and saw the Floyd riots and saw the BS reporting on that. And that really pushed me to want to go there and see the truth. And there was 100-plus congressmen who had said that they were going to vote to decertify this and send it back to the states. And, quite frankly, I wanted them to look outside and see a million people supporting that constitutional right to do that.

[00:43:10] And for Trump to, if that happened, potentially be elected legally once they saw the evidence that they needed to see about fraud in the election. And that's why we were there, a vast majority of us. Right. All right. Well, that makes sense. Go ahead. So, yeah, keep going with your story. You know, I'm thrilled with what you're saying. Yeah, it's long and crazy. I try to hit the high cliff notes.

[00:43:38] So, I mean, I end up getting arrested and transported across the country. That night, nothing else happened. You know, we head back to Minnesota. And, you know, it's unbedful on the way back. We start seeing the BS reports coming out. I get arrested six months later. We end up, you know, in the gulag. And once I got there, basically, I denied our evidence.

[00:44:04] So, what I was doing through the whole thing was trying to get our evidence over and over again and getting denied. I started writing motions. The one piece of evidence I did get was a DOJ CB001. And if there's ever any evidence that we were being withheld evidence by the government, it was that very first piece of global discovery. What this was, my standby counsel sent it to me.

[00:44:32] It was about 850 pages of DOJ investigations and police reports of alleged misconduct. Now, this alleged police misconduct was not police beating people. What it was is the police that were not doing it, ones that they thought they could prove were kind of the, quote, unquote, inside man that facilitated this insurrection that they claimed happened.

[00:44:54] So, they went to all these officers that they felt might have not done enough, didn't fight back, and they interviewed them. So, what we found in those interviews was these officers that were telling the truth were completely contradictory to the entire narrative that they had told, that had been put out by the government, and defended really what we said.

[00:45:18] So, at the end of all of these, very Stalin-esque, they were asked, do you support Donald Trump, and which they had to answer no to, and are you part of any organization that supports Donald Trump? Well, which, again, they had to answer no to. But what was very interesting in it is all these were numbered 150.

[00:45:39] But within it, they were withholding, I was either 23 or 27 of these reports that I asked for repeatedly in court and was never given by the government. So, they hid at least half of the police reports that we know exist of alleged misconduct. That alone is grounds to dismiss every single case. And that was there on every single one of those cases. And that was literally the very first piece of evidence that existed for us.

[00:46:07] Well, I don't understand the do you support Donald Trump discussion either because it's not just a yes or a no discussion. I support him in a lot of what he does. There's some things I don't support him in. So, the answer to your question is, I don't know. It depends on what we're talking about, right? Of course, you're not going to be allowed to say that. Now, one of the aspects of this case that makes yours so unique, number one, they claimed you were violent. They don't really have evidence or proof of that. But the other thing is that your son turned you into the FBI. Is that right?

[00:46:37] Yes. One of the many that called and said that I was there. So, how does that look and how are you on the other end of that? Yeah. Let me just set the stage for how I found out about it. When I was demanding my evidence, after I'd written this report on that DOJCV 001, which I have a motion out there, which you can find online. It's damning. It talks about our conditions there.

[00:47:07] At one point, I demanded my evidence, and I was sprayed by police officers and held in solitary confinement for over 100 days straight. It was within those 100 days of solitary confinement that I got a phone call that I could make around Christmas. They literally brought a phone around to the cells in solitary and let us call out. And that's when I confirmed. I kind of suspected my son might have because of some of the messages that I saw that my lawyer had gotten.

[00:47:36] And I asked him about it, and he said, yeah, that he had called. I believe a little bit that my ex-wife might have coerced him into making the call. But he was angry at the time because of what he saw on TV, them claiming that I had done this. And I think I may have sarcastically, when he had asked what was going on, been like, oh, yeah, I was in there just beating the crap out of cops and destroying things. Oh, yeah, I was in the Capitol sitting on Pelosi's desk and all this.

[00:48:06] I did it sarcastically, and I think he knew that in his heart. I think he was very upset. Let's clarify that. You never went inside the U.S. Capitol, correct? No, no. I never destroyed anything. I never beat the crap out of cops. But what happened is they used that first statement. And actually what they said is that an unidentified person said that I was bragging about beating the crap out of cops when I got home.

[00:48:34] They left out the rest of the statement that said I went in the Capitol and was destroying things. And at the end of the day, once we proved that, that's what got my bond motion was that I proved that the government had withheld the entire statement, amongst some other lies. And they were going to bring my son as a witness. He ended up actually coming on as a witness for me. Immediately when he told me he did, I asked him why, and all he could really tell me was that he was upset,

[00:49:03] and he apologized, and I immediately forgave him. And, you know, went on about life. I've never, you know, I love my kids unconditionally, and there's nothing that they can do that will ever stop that. So I, you know, I was sitting in solitary, and I forgave him immediately. And, you know, I forgive him to this day, and we've got a pretty good relationship at this point. He helped me out immensely through everything. And, you know what?

[00:49:29] As Larvita said yesterday, AJ stood up for what he believed in when he made that phone call, and that was probably the hardest thing he ever did in his life. And he was standing on principle. So, you know what? I raised the kid that I taught to stand on principle. Well, and once he knows the whole truth of the case, too, then he'll be appropriately guarded against criminal government wisely as well. And that's really important. So he learned a valuable lesson along the way, too.

[00:49:58] We're running out of time faster than I want to, Brian. But what I want to know now is this. You know, you've been drugged through the mud. Thank heavens for Donald Trump. Do you think there's going to be accountability for the government in this? It's one thing to release all the prisoners and say, hey, you guys are pardoned or your sentences are committed or whatever. It's another thing to say we're really going to hold these criminals accountable for their actions. Do you think that will really happen? God, I hope so. That's my goal right now. That's my mission.

[00:50:25] I am going to scream it from the mountaintop. They have lied. This is the single biggest political witch hunt in our history. This stuff should not happen in this country. They targeted us because they wanted to destroy Donald Trump and they wanted to destroy the MAGA movement. They wanted a bloodbath that day and they didn't get it. This was by design. Make no mistake. This wasn't just – this didn't just happen.

[00:50:52] The evidence I've seen, this was done by – on purpose. They thought that we were going to go crazy. They thought that we were going to shoot people. They thought that we would actually fight to the level of an actual insurrection. And when they didn't get that, they manufactured it with people like me and just made up BS charges. And they held us in solitary. They tortured us to get us to confess the stuff we didn't do, to take unfair trials.

[00:51:20] And to almost every single man and woman there, they either found us guilty or coerced us into claiming our guilt that none of us actually believed in. And they should be held accountable. And the only way we get that is real congressional investigations. We need to sit in Congress and testify. We need to show this evidence. We need to have this viewed on C-SPAN. And we need to show the world what the Biden regime did to us because it's illegal.

[00:51:49] And every single one of those members of the JAN-6 committee should be in prison for what they did. And a whole mess of other people should be in prison for what they did to us. Well, they just asked Pam Bondi a bunch of questions about would she leave the committee alone? Would she do this and would she do that in front of Congress right now when they, you know, dressed her down in the effort to get her, you know, approved by the Senate or whatever.

[00:52:13] And she wouldn't she wouldn't she wouldn't distance herself from it. She just said, I will follow the law. And I commend Pam Bondi for that. Shame on the congressmen or the senators who basically are asking all those questions because it means they know there's serious guilt there. But they wouldn't be worried about that. Right. Yep. And Lindsey Graham needs to get primary the hell out of his position when it comes around.

[00:52:40] Um, that SOB sat there and told those police that day to shoot us. And from that day forward, he's had nothing but condemnation for us. And I will tell you this, any single person who stands up there and condemns a single person in January 6th does not know what they're talking about. They have not seen the videos because if they saw the videos and they saw what actually happened to us, it is the most bone chilling conspiracy that has existed in this country.

[00:53:09] Um, I'm honored that I got to go through it. As crazy as that sounds, it's cost me a million dollars, my house, my career, my my fiance, my friends and family, my reputation. But I'm honored to have been attacked this vehemently because it proves to me that I was absolutely right in my decision to go there was absolutely right to support who I supported. And these people, the truth has to be shown. The truth has to be come out.

[00:53:37] I don't care if I never see a dime in restitution for this, though, it's I should. And so should everybody else that was there. All we want to a man is for the truth to come out and for us to finally be vindicated and shown for what we actually did. And they've tried to hide it for four years. It's time that that changes. And we don't it needs to happen right now. Pam Bondi needs to go in there, find the truth and fry these people.

[00:54:07] Yeah, Cash, let's get it done. Ladies and gentlemen, we're looking for Cash Patel to be nominated ASAP and get that approved ASAP. We've both endorsed Sheriff Mack and I both endorsed Cash Patel. Hopefully he'll help Pam get to the bottom of it. Sheriff, 10 seconds. Your final comment. Very well said, Brian. Thank you so much for your time. God bless all of you. And we're here to help. Get my email address from Larvita, Brian, and send me that information and we'll continue. Please keep us in the loop.

[00:54:35] We'll have you back and keep up on this case. We'll never let it go. We are from the top of the Rocky Mountains and we are going to be at the tip of the spear and the top of this discussion to see if we can have truth come to light. Thanks, Brian. God save the Republic.