Radio Show Hour 1 – 01/27/2025

[00:00:12] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans, Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news that it was refused to use, no doubt, starts now. This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for January the 27th in the year of our Lord, 2025.

[00:00:40] This is Hour 1 of 2, the goal always to protect life, liberty, and property, to promote God, family, and country, but do so on your radio in the traditions of our founding fathers. As you know, we love the checks and balances brilliantly put in place by the founders, one of the great peaceful solutions we have at our fingertips. We reject revolution. Unless it's a Jesus revolution, then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace. Dr. Scott Bradley is with me, freedomsrisingsun.com. Welcome back to the show, sir.

[00:01:09] Hey, thanks, Sam. You know, when I got up this morning, it was minus two, but man, the Middle East seems to be heating up fast. I mean, with Pete talking to Netanyahu and Trump delivering 2,000-pound bombs and talking about moving all Palestinians out of the modern state of Israel and to Jordan and Egypt and Holy Hannah. Not to mention all Latin American countries trying to get together to find out how to deal with the Donald on immigration.

[00:01:39] It's a hothead of international who knows what, isn't it? Heating up, baby. So I don't know where you're going with your show today, but I'll tell you what. Everybody better be buckled in because there's so much happening, not just today, but, I mean, Hexeth said he's inextricably tied to Israel.

[00:01:59] And what he said in his nomination investigation, he said he wanted Hamas destroyed and killed, all of them. So, I mean, this guy's pretty hard on it. And, ladies and gentlemen, Pete Hexeth just got basically confirmed by the Senate as U.S. Defense Secretary. Ladies and gentlemen, that happened as well. So there's a ton going on. And I told you this right when Donald Trump was getting inaugurated.

[00:02:28] I said, you know, or even a little bit before that in kind of the lame duck session end of last year. I was saying, you know what, Donald Trump is going to be dubbed the war president. Not because I think he desires war necessarily, but because the people he has around him will trick him into war. That's been done to president after president after president where they believe that the way to peace is through war.

[00:02:50] Or they believe somehow a war mentality or backing the military industrial complex will somehow get above, you know, the problems that they face. Not realizing that every time they double down in war mentality, things just get worse. And so the problem is I think they're going to turn Trump into a war president. I pray it's not true. But everything points to that, doctor. Everything, including congressional efforts to try to, you know, bring in forced draft or conscription.

[00:03:19] Possibly even bringing women into conscription. They've been working on this for the last two years, I believe, as a precursor to this. There's something they may know that we don't know. Only Trump or somebody else could demand accountability and transparency on this. But I'm convinced that everything points to they're going to war.

[00:03:38] Hey, Sam, if you deliver 2,000-pound bombs, the MK-84 is what they're delivering to Israel, what do you do with a 2,000-pound bomb? You drop it on people. And it's a massive, massive kill zone. And it's like Trump talks about, oh, we're going to go into Gaza. It's like a demolition site. We're going to clean it out. You know, we'll get everybody. We'll send them to Egypt. We'll send them to Jordan.

[00:04:08] Egypt and Jordan. It's kind of like saying, well, we're going to have everybody that's, you know, from Mexico sent to, you know, Nicaragua and to Venezuela. I mean, how do you do this? And Honduras just to throw in another place, you know? How do you just all of a sudden arbitrarily unilateral decide? Well, hold on. Not only how do you, but where do you get authority for such crazy psychotic claims? It's a book 10-4, good buddy.

[00:04:34] I mean, I'm telling you, there's so many crazy things. And it's just moving fast. And suddenly the Middle East is in the middle of the crosshairs on this thing. You know, this thing with the Palestinian people. I mean, since 1948, Jordan and Egypt have said, ain't no way, no how, buddy. We're taking any of these people in. They're going to be disruptive. I mean, these people have been living for all of my lifetime in a prison camp, basically.

[00:05:04] And they've been radicalized and they've become, they've got a bad attitude, man. I mean, if you're living in a tent with open sewage trenches in front of your house or tent all your life, generationally, I mean, you get a bad attitude. And the people in Jordan and Egypt don't want people with a bad attitude coming in.

[00:05:26] And it's really, really, and suddenly, Hexeth, he called Benjamin Netanyahu and pledged our undying support. It is just astonishing what's happening to me in such a short order. I mean, here we are a week after the presidential inauguration. Not quite a week. And in about two hours, it'll be a week, right? Right. You got that. But here's the deal.

[00:05:55] A lot of Americans, I think, are cheering this. And they're going to line up. I mean, they'll go to the recruitment centers if this thing heats up pretty bad. But you bring up the female draft thing, and they've been working on a lot more than that. In fact, at this time, five years ago, 2020, I was predicting that we would have a female draft before summer. So, okay.

[00:06:23] And then the 2020 COVID con hit, and people got distracted, thankfully, by that COVID con. But now the time is ripe again. We could say, well, let's take your little girls, and let's set them up to draft them. I mean, this stuff is bizarre. And so I'm almost speechless to think that a U.S. president thinks they can do, you know, by the stroke of a pen.

[00:06:51] It's not the stroke of a pen, law of the land kind of thing. Executive orders and all that kind of stuff, leveraging and log rolling. I mean, people just need to realize there's a process, and that process is being violated. And let's talk again. Well, I don't know. I don't know where you want to go with this, Sam. I'm so hyper-analytic about this. Well, so I want to know. Do you think they're going to turn Donald Trump into a war president?

[00:07:16] This is the kind of thing where I've seen president after president run on a peace ticket, run on a we're backing away from this. But Joe Biden literally set the stage to up the ante for Trump. Trump being, well, let me say this. Some would say, you know, Trump's doing a great job. He's being bold. He's telling everybody who's the superpower, it's great, you know, shut down this country, that country, you know, force this country to do that, force that country to do that, threaten tariffs, do this, do that.

[00:07:46] What he's doing, though, is engendering this bully mentality, which will have blowback. Ron Paul talked about this. It's a well-known principle documented by the CIA and everything else. You know, I appreciate Donald throwing his weight around, and I know some would celebrate it.

[00:08:01] But I would kind of go back and say, you know, making everybody in fear of you, using the, quote, fiat currency that you forced to be the currency of the world because of the petrodollar, you know, in other words, tying it to oil, not gold, manipulating all that. At some point, Donald might win the skirmish here, win the skirmish there. But if you're not very careful, they're already saying, hey, a lot of these Latin American countries are going to get together and have a big old powwow. What the heck to do about the Donald's bullying?

[00:08:30] And, you know, now you say, well, Sam, come on, doesn't he have every right to force them to take back their illegals, their criminals? It's all how it's done. It's all how it's delivered nine times out of ten. And I'm a little bit fearful that, you know, this bullying, this throwing your weight around this in your face, I'm going to win every single battle because I'm going to double down. Then I'm going to take Greenland and I'm going to go ahead and take back the Panama Canal. And I'm going to go ahead and, you know, make Canada the 51st state. And then I'm going to go ahead and, you know, bully these South American countries.

[00:08:59] And then I'm going to go ahead and, you know, hey, we're going to move people around in foreign nations and just empty the Gaza Strip out. And we're going to do this. At some point you go, there's going to be blowback, doctor. There's a long tradition in America with the globalist perspective that's come in at the beginning of the 20th century with, you know, you had guys like Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson and so on. And this idea where we've got a tradition now.

[00:09:29] Most American presidents, you know, they'll spend their first term working on domestic issues largely. I mean, sure, they dink around with international things, too. But the second term is where they really get into trouble, where they become military adventurers. And they end up ultimately getting involved in a globalist kind of perspective. Trump is in his second term right now. And we're seeing, I think, a precursor to a lot of that.

[00:09:58] I think it's going to be a very dangerous time. I think that, I mean, Biden held back these MK-84 2,000-pound bombs for fear they'd, you know, go in and turn the rubble of gauze into sand. He'd send in all the missiles, though. So Donald's just carrying the same playbook as Joe, right? He is. But here's the deal. I think they're much more closely tied.

[00:10:24] And Hexeth, in his nomination hearing, said, you know, let's kill all of Hamas. Well, here's the deal. Everybody becomes Hamas if you make everybody an enemy. And you talk about blowback. This is absolutely the case. I had a little brother a long time ago. Go ahead and skip the break. Go ahead. I had a little brother a long time ago that was in Afghanistan. And it was kind of the rumor on the street, if you will, if you want to call it that.

[00:10:53] Everybody's Taliban. That's what the Americans said. I mean, everybody's Taliban. And it's interesting that because we were there throwing hand grenades in front doors of people's houses and stuff, we offended a lot of people, kicking doors in, you know, shooting people down on the streets. I mean, some of the things that have happened in the Middle East have been plain belligerence.

[00:11:18] And you look at what Snowden revealed and what Assange, you know, kind of carried the ball on. And there's some really ugly practices we have had around the world. And it's just time to dial it back a little bit and look at the Constitution and say, holy cow. You know, where do we fit in this international thing? I've told you the story about a talk I gave to a pro-life organization with hundreds of people there.

[00:11:47] And I talked about, are you pro-life? Yeah, yeah, that kind of thing. What about after they're 18 years old? What about if there are other people that are around in other nations? I mean, how do you feel about that? Aren't they God's children? Or are you just going to protect them before they're born? Well, anyway, it didn't go over very well. But there was a young man from Europe. Well, it should have because if you're pro-life, you need to be pro-life in all aspects of life. Whether you're 18 and you're going to be forced into conscription on some clown show, we're going to have peace through war lie.

[00:12:17] Whether it's putting men and women in harm's way, whether it's the elderly. I mean, every aspect of life, if you're pro-life, you've got to look at that and say, hey, how do we preserve life and peace and prosperity? And the only real way is through the supreme law of the land, the Constitution on the governmental level, the traditional family on the family level, and looking to God Almighty and developing a relationship with your creator on the personal level. There is no other way, doctor.

[00:12:42] Well, and that was the basis of American philosophy that came into place, a humble foreign policy, none of these entangling alliances that Europe had been involved in for centuries. And the Americans had a good historical perspective. And what we're doing in the Middle East is exactly walking into the landmine. It's not just a snare, it's a landmine that the Founding Fathers warned us against.

[00:13:12] And, you know, these nations that are in eternal wars, and they're really just wars by and large, that isn't our, it isn't, we don't have a dog in the fight, really. But most Christians, because of the Schofield Bible thing that we've talked about before, where that study guide basically has a Zionist spin, most Christians have become Zionists.

[00:13:37] And, you know, I, the Zion I believe in is a Zion that we live Christ principles, you know, and everybody's united in no poor among us and living because, not because we stole from each other, because others are willing to, you know, share their belongings and their, you know, their prosperity. But not a militaristic Middle Eastern state that seems to be,

[00:14:05] to have all of the military armaments that America can develop delivered them at the wave of a magic wand. Well, and in addition to that, a state that betrays the Bible and saying that, look, everybody's anti-Semitic if you don't, you know, have this or this or that view and pro-attitude of war and destruction and crowning, you know, Israel in the Middle East, somehow God's country. If you don't subscribe to that because you say they're warmongers,

[00:14:32] they betray people, they deceive people, they're lying about this, you know, idea that you and I are anti-Semitic because we may criticize a Jew or the Jewish state, then somehow we're bad and anti-Semitic. And, okay, it's these lies, too, that relate because it separates the biblical Israel from what we see today in modern war-mongering Israel, right? The two are at odds, and people don't realize that.

[00:14:59] The modern state of Israel is a secular, humanist, socialist state. War-mongering. It has none of the trappings. Yeah, there's traditional Jews and there's, you know, there's more liberal Jews and everything else there. But the fact that we've talked about this before, the people that descended, according to Biblically, from Shem are Shemitic, okay? So the people that live in that region, by definition, are Shemitic.

[00:15:28] And so if you're against Palestinians, you're anti-Semitic also. It's this thing, and the Congress is trying to make... I'm not against either of them, but I want them to follow the Prince of Peace. I want to set an example, and I want to stay out of it. That's what I want to do. Yeah, and the United States is blowing the flames of fire. And there's been a lot of talk about the resources in the Gaza Strip that many have said that the modern state of Israel is very interesting

[00:15:57] and get their hands so they can tap into those Israels, the oil fields and so on. And they've already basically, as Trump said, turned Gaza into basically a demolition zone. You know, bring the tractors and trailers in and haul the broken concrete up and dig the bodies out. Well, maybe it'll become partly a resort area. Maybe it'll become a big oil field.

[00:16:24] I don't know what plan they've got, but Trump is truly standing for cleaning the entire thing out, and that's been Israel's perspective for, you know, the decades since 1967 when Israel took over the whole Gaza area. I mean, it's... And that's when they basically took down the USS Liberty. These thugs took it down. You call that a biblical Israel?

[00:16:48] No, that's June of 67 when that six-day war happened that Israel preemptively attacked all of her Arab neighbors, their neighbors, and the USS Liberty was offshore, and it was a listening post. There's no question about it. And they wanted to make sure that it got sunk to the, you know, depths of the sea, all hands-on, you know, go down with it. But by, I believe, the grace of God, it was preserved, and the story that's told about that.

[00:17:18] People need to look at that. That was horrific. Yeah, Phil Turney's still alive, telling the tale, doing a great job, I might add. Yeah, oh, well, the tale needs to be told. But if you were 25 years old in 1967, you're starting to get older. I mean, you know, think about that. And so those people will be dead someday. But there's lots of books, and people just need to understand that. Have you had them on the radio, by the way, any of these people? Oh, yeah. We used to do a show for Phil Turney for quite a while until they couldn't, you know...

[00:17:47] We need a couple of bucks to do things, because we can't just fund everybody. I wish we had, you know, unlimited dollars we could take care of business. But we, you know, had them on the radio, did a show with them, and we've had them on over the years, Liberty Roundtable Live. And several of our hosts have highlighted them and had them on many times. A friend of ours actually goes every June to their event. They have a yearly event about the USS Liberty as well. And I think we need to keep that story alive long after they live. Oh, no question. Because it really tells a tale.

[00:18:15] And that's the point that I'm getting at, is there's a big difference between the biblical Israel that, you know, many would support versus the, you know, the warmongering, lack of religion, deep state, Zionist, abusive, hate-filled Israel that we see today. And some would say, how dare you say that kind of stuff? I'm saying it because it's factual. It's true. Okay? Well, what do you got to do? Why are we sending 2,000-pound bombs over there?

[00:18:42] Well, Sam, so they don't get crushed off the face of the earth. Uh-huh. So you're going to just crush other people off the face of the earth? You know, who's who? And why are some groups of people more important than others? And if I say that, oh, then I'm anti-Semitic, right? Well, that's the problem. But if David Ben-Gurion, their George Washington founding father-ish kind of guy, wanted to be the Lenin of the Middle East, what does that tell you? Yeah. I mean, there's just some...

[00:19:10] Well, and is this Netanyahu guy in trouble internationally? Well, Netanyahu has been charged by some of the international criminal court guys with genocide and stuff like that. The U.S. Congress has voted to censure the international criminal court. I have no love for the international criminal court. Of course not. Don't get me wrong. This is not an endorsement of them. No. But the fact of the matter is there's other nations that are saying, hold it, hold it, stand down for just a minute. And the fact is they're right on that point.

[00:19:38] Even though we don't support international government of any kind, they're right when they say, hey, this guy's a war criminal. Right? Well, I think we need to hear the evidence. Let's talk it over. Let's review it. But the Congress has already tried it in their court and says anybody that speaks ill of Benjamin Netanyahu is going to be barred from the United States, basically. And so it's like, holy cow. Well, I'm down to the Benjamin Netanyahu who's a thug.

[00:20:08] He has a history of a lot of things. By the way, he's in trouble in Israel, too. I think that... That's what I'm saying. This is like insanity. But yet we're running around defending him. Why? Why do we need to defend Benjamin Netanyahu? Well, he's kind of got a button-down collar on that... He's not worth defending. He's not worth defending. Now, I agree with you saying, hey, let's do due process and get to the bottom of it and ask all the right questions. And I support that 1,000%. But the problem is, where does that adjudicate anyway?

[00:20:38] In an international court? No. In the United States court? No. See, we don't have any business adjudicating this. I don't even know why we're even involved in it. Well, here's the deal. He could lose the reins of the government there. I think that was one of the reasons he was trying to put off the ceasefire. You know, and we talked about this before, and I've done some review of this. I think he's got a very fragile coalition going on right now in Israel.

[00:21:08] And his, you know, reins may get loosened or if not lost. And then they've had like, oh, man, I'm betting over the last four or five years, four or five elections. Because, you know, it's still volatile there. He is not the most popular guy on the block. I'm not going to say he's, you know, Jimmy Carter at this moment running for re-election again.

[00:21:31] But I do think that there's some people in Israel that are saying, you know, this is not the best thing for our country. There are some people. What's his name? Scott Ritter? Is he the guy that's at the U.N.? For a while he did the review of the nukes that were in the Middle East.

[00:21:51] And I think he's kind of said some dour things about how Israel is really hurting itself to the point that it's not going to be a destination spot to migrate to. Because they've become so belligerent and so untethered to peace that a lot of people are going to migrate out. I mean, there's challenges there. All is not, you know, well.

[00:22:17] And I think people need to dial it back and think, is what we're doing working? And Israel may decide they just don't want Netanyahu in there anymore. I don't know. I think we ought to let those people decide that. And I think we ought to stay out of it. We don't have any sovereignty involvement. We don't have any reason. We don't have any threats to the United States in play right now. I don't see why we're even involved at all. Well, that's the thing.

[00:22:42] We keep having these coups and everything that we DM back in 1963 that we, I mean, that brings up the Kennedy assassination. I mean, sorry to back into these things. Yeah, Donald's going to release all the files. We're told by executive order the problem is I ain't seen the files yet, doctor. And not only that, but if. They'll probably come out super redacted, huh? Oh, man.

[00:23:05] If they're not redacted, almost all blacked out, I think there'll be a lot of pages missing, even if they had to retype all the pages. I mean, I just, I don't have any great hope. But, man, I sure hope so. I would, you know, Martin Luther King and Kennedy and Kennedy. I mean, he's promised to release the whole shoot and match. Ooh, that was probably a bad choice of words. But I have been following. Yeah, don't say that when it comes to those guys.

[00:23:33] But the real question is Donald's about on the brink of an international war for a variety of reasons from a variety of countries and stuff. So it's really hard. You know, on one hand, we're told that everybody supports and loves Donald and hated Joe. But yet at the same time, Donald and Joe in many ways seem to be pushing the same agenda, especially when it comes to Israel and Hamas and Palestine and Al Qaeda and everybody's Taliban and everybody's this and that. You don't know who's who. But we continue to meddle in. We continue to fund.

[00:24:02] And we continue to back militarily. Literally wars everywhere. It's unconstitutional as all get out. But I want to turn the topic to domestic as well. Because I'm afraid that they're about to create a civil war domestically as well. Will the deep state turn Donald Trump into a war president? I pray the answer is no, but I think the answer is yes. Tom Holman in the news all over Martha Raddick's show on the weekend.

[00:24:32] Let's talk about some bold statements he made what they're doing. And, you know, is this going to go well internally? Hang tight. Liberty Roundtable Live. Dr. Scott Bradley with me. FreedomTrizingSun.com as we continue on your radio. Exposing corruption. Informing citizens. Pursuing liberty. You're listening to Liberty News Radio.

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[00:30:40] Also has confirmed that he has instructed the U.S. military to resume shipments of 2,000 pound bombs to Israel. Which, by the way, had been paused under Biden. I'm not defending Biden in any way. I'm just saying. So it's an escalation at every turn. And at first we were kind of saying, oh, Joe is escalating in preparation for Donald to get Donald kind of sideways. Now we're finding out, no, they kind of have the same agenda. Really?

[00:31:10] That's the bottom line. Because whether you send missiles or then 2,000 pound bombs, the reason that Biden said he didn't want to send the 2,000 pound bombs is he didn't want too many civilian casualties. Donald trusting Israel saying, hey, we'll give you this, you know, military capability, this power. Well, who's funding this? The answer, ladies and gentlemen, is your Congress is funding this. Or Donald couldn't send any money. It's either leftover money in a big old kitty, which I reject in the first place. Or it's new money.

[00:31:37] And I'm having a hard time figuring out what money is what money where, how. But I submit to you that I think the deep state is going to turn Donald Trump into the war president. I hate to see it. I don't want it. But I look at it on an international scale and everything points to war. Domestically speaking, it points to war, sadly, as well.

[00:31:59] Now, Tom Holman says in an interview over the weekend that hundreds of arrests that federal immigration officers are making present only the beginning of what Donald Trump plans to remove illegal aliens out of the United States. Now, I support the general idea to remove illegal aliens from the United States, okay? And I don't support calling them undocumented immigrants. Look, they're illegal and they're aliens, okay? Okay.

[00:32:29] You're going to see the numbers steadily increase, says Tom Holman. The number of arrests are going to be increasing as we open up the aperture. Right now, it's concentrating on public safety threats, national security threats, et cetera. That's a smaller population. Holman said, but at the end of the day, it did not matter if a person has a criminal record. If you're in the country illegally, you're on the table.

[00:32:57] No, it's not okay to violate the laws of this country. Holman said that ICE will be able to operate anywhere in the United States and that illegal aliens would not be able to hide out in schools, churches, or hospitals to avoid deportation. Anyway, I don't know how to respond to all this exactly. And let me tell you why. I support 100% the idea that we're going to get rid of illegals.

[00:33:28] And I support 100% that, you know what, criminals, rapists, and, you know, this kind of stuff have got to go. Murderers, rapists, whatever. Criminals, gangs. I support that 100%. And I agree that we're going to have to be pretty direct and clear to other countries that are playing games and won't accept these people. You know, they're saying, oh, well, you can't call them criminals. Yeah, you can. They're in our country illegally. To us, they're criminals. And you better accept that they're criminals in our country. Okay, I get all that.

[00:33:57] But when we start to say that, A, if you're in this country illegally, everything is on the table. You're equivalent to, you know, the rapist and the murderer and the this and the that. And I understand why they're doing it, Dr. Bradley, because they're saying, hey, we want people to self-deport. We want to get all the mojo we can behind this effort. We can't start out soft because if we start out soft, hey, you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. I get all that 100% and agree.

[00:34:23] The problem that I have is the person that was drugged here, say, as a little kid to America. And they grew up here and they don't really know any other language and they're pretty much American and that's all they know. And I'm not defending their illegal status in any way. It's illegal. It's wrong. It's criminal. However, there's a big difference between that person and the murderer or the gang member or the whatever.

[00:34:50] And the liberals have been trying to get Tom Holman to kind of acknowledge some differences there. And so far, Tom doesn't. He's just like, hey, you know what? It's not okay. They're criminals. I agree with the general point. And I agree that we've got to clean this up and stop the infiltration or that, you know, stop this invasion. I get it. I'll call it an invasion. I'm not afraid of any of that.

[00:35:12] But at some point, we're going to have to back away, though, and say, look, you need to report or deport. And if you're not a criminal, other than that, you're in the country illegally, which I agree is a criminal act. Don't misunderstand me. It's wrong. It's against the law. However, it's not the same as being a gangbanger or being tied to Al-Qaeda or Hamas or whoever else. It's not the same as being a rapist or a murderer. And we can't just act like it's all the same. We've got to have a justice plan.

[00:35:40] But there's got to be a tempering with mercy on this thing, too, in my view. And so far, we haven't gone there. But what we need to do is have a two-edged sword to this. You know what? If you're a criminal, you better self-deport because it isn't going to be good for you. But if you're an average person, why don't you report? Get on deck. Let's talk about how you jumped the line and how that's a criminal act. But let's find a way to move forward in some kind of productive. Otherwise, if we're not very careful, doctor, and here's the whole point.

[00:36:10] We're going to end up in a civil war. You've got literally probably 30 million illegals at least in this country. I know they tell you there's 11 million, but there's way more than that. You've got huge factions of liberals, 50% of the country, that doesn't even agree with us on this at all. Sanctuary cities everywhere. Now, it's going to be a battle at every front. You've got the whole state of California, 40 million people or more, literally saying, hey, they've already raised $50 million to fight the Trump administration on all this kind of stuff.

[00:36:39] You've got sanctuary cities literally everywhere all over this country. Utah is a sanctuary state. We're going to have to be a little more nuanced as we go about this or you're going to lose support rapidly. At first, there's a lot of support for it because no one wants the criminals among us. But as this gets tighter and tighter and more, you know, you're going to be battled on every front. Are we going to end up with a domestic war, a civil war over this kind of stuff if we're not careful, doctor? There's a lot of risk.

[00:37:09] In a way, hyperventilating at this point facilitates that kind of action. I think that well-reasoned, well-conceived plans need to be developed and they need to be given consideration and reviewed. I think that sometimes people hyperventilate on both sides too early and we're doing worst-case scenarios in every case you look at.

[00:37:39] I mean, you know, the poor little girl that came in as a four-year-old and all this kind of stuff, suddenly they're shifting of the attitudes and everything. And I think the hyperbole that's being thrown about right now needs to recognize that this is a process. I have not seen a plan. I haven't – all I've heard is real broad brush everything. You're not going to see a plan. You're just going to hear from Tom. They already made raids in Chicago. That's true.

[00:38:07] They say over, you know, thousands of people have already been sent out. They're talking about using military planes to remove them and everything else. And, you know, where does all this end up, you know? I don't know. But the point of the matter is that it can be sorted through. I really believe that intelligent human beings can sit down and figure it out. And I'm just not ready to throw the country overboard into revolution or to have everybody start throwing hand grenades or whatever

[00:38:35] because I believe that with – given the reasoned, logical approach to things, and I think there are solutions. But I am absolutely convinced that a nation that cannot or will not defend its borders cannot and will not remain a nation. And we have allowed an overrunning of this now, 10 percent at least, I believe, of the entire population of this nation is here illegally now.

[00:39:05] I mean, if you say we've got 330 million people, we've got 33 million illegals, that's 10 percent. And it's a big problem. It's not – if – you know, I'm always the – I always look back to go forward, okay? And you look at what happened, only it was through the northern border in Rome, when they came across the Danube and the influx of barbarians and the welcoming of those people by a certain segment of Rome.

[00:39:35] Oh, we need a more – you know, we need conscripts for our military. We need people that we can sell to. We need laborers at a cheaper rate. I mean, all of these arguments that have been used in America for the last hundred years, not quite, but, you know, at least since 1986, since Ronald Reagan was the president, all of those same arguments were used in Rome.

[00:39:58] And, you know, you look at how Rome was lost was because they opened the floodgates. And pretty soon – maybe not pretty soon, it took a period of time – but it unraveled, and ultimately, you know, Emperor Valens got killed on the battlefield. And so there has to be a lesson learned. I mean, you can look at the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

[00:40:26] By the way, my first volume of that is missing, and I don't know why I mentioned that. I've got to buy another one. I loan books out and I have to get them back. But at any rate, there are records, histories that we can look at to learn from, and Rome was lost because they did not handle their immigration issue. All right, go ahead and skip the break. We've got to get sharp on this thing. I agree we've got to handle it.

[00:40:51] And I think calmer heads say, look, everybody picking hardcore sides, not knowing what the plan is, doubling down and creating this greater divide as you start to split up families, as you start to deport people, as you start to – It's embarrassing. Go ahead and skip the break. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All I'm saying is you look at that and you go, we're letting this get out of hand.

[00:41:19] And I don't want to be so extreme on this that I'm adding fuel to the fire or insult to injury or whatever term you want to use for this. But I bring this up because I think we need to have calmer heads prevail. I think we need to simply say this. First off, I get that if you're in the country illegally, you've done something wrong. And I don't make excuses for that. That is the law. And I believe there needs to be some degree of accountability for that. But at the same time, I kind of say, hey, if you're hungry and you steal because you're starving,

[00:41:48] is it the same as just stealing? If you're starving and you steal, is it the same as stealing? I would say that, yes, you've stolen. But at some point, there's a little bit of understanding to say, hey, you're starving and you shouldn't steal. We get that. But, okay, so I'm saying we can start by remedying situations. Let's put a plan together and say, look, our goal is to get rid of all the illegals who are criminals. Let's start there.

[00:42:17] And the rest of you, you know what? We can create a report or deport plan. If you know you can't pass muster in our background checks and, you know, put you on a plan that makes sense going forward because you're a criminal, because you're a thug, because you're a gang member, then you're going to need to deport right away. And if you don't, we'll find you and we will make it happen. On the other hand, you know what? If your only real action that is wrong is you were hungry, so you stole, you don't have a better place to go,

[00:42:45] so you came to the United States for safety and protection and whatever, then we're going to say report or deport. And then when you report, we can work on those later. But let's start having everybody kind of get above board and report. What do you think of that idea? I mean, I think it's a very simple plan, but wouldn't it stop a lot of the enemies and a lot of people from being so paranoid? I mean, I've got illegals. I mean, let me say this over. I've got people who I know that are legally in this country who have families that are here illegally,

[00:43:14] and they're wondering and they're saying to me, Sam, what do we do with this? I mean, this is horrible. This is going to, you know, and I understand their concerns. I also understand that churches and schools can't be protecting illegals either. But the way we, in my opinion, work through that is we put a plan together that most people can agree with. Now, there's going to be never agreement on the plan 100%, right? But you can get enough people to agree if you start saying, look, if there are criminals in your government schools,

[00:43:43] now we'll go into the school to find Johnny who's a little kid, to find Johnny's dad or Johnny's mother or whoever else. But how do we go about this in a way that cannot divide and in a way that actually can uphold the law but make sense for people to where even those who are here illegally can go, okay, there's a way forward. Don't we owe it to the American people and to society at large to come up with something that makes sense?

[00:44:13] Right now I don't know a single plan except for everybody's going. And they're starting now and they're starting big and bold and they're ready to sanction countries 25, 50, whatever percent to get it done. And I just don't see that it makes sense at this point. I see that it just adds angst and ire to the fire, doctor.

[00:44:31] I have been involved in the development of some very, very challenging solutions that have taken months to do where we've been at the negotiating table literally month after month as a good solution is formulated. I've seen some very good results when you put a concerted effort into it. And I think right now, like I say, everybody's throwing hangar and eggs or Molotov cocktails in worst-case scenarios.

[00:45:00] And it's just, it's ramped up the anxiety level. But I think it can happen. You know, you're arguing the Jean Valjean issue out of Les Mis where if they're hungry, they shouldn't have been put in prison. Okay, we understand that. But coming here to this country because it's got a better economy is not an acceptable attitude. I mean, you cannot get asylum in America because you think you're going to make more money.

[00:45:30] That just is not on the table. But Congress, as hard as I have to say this, Congress has the responsibility. Look at Article 1, Section 8. And Article 4, it talks about, you know, invasions. Article 1, Section 10. I mean, Article 4, Section 4 is this idea that everybody's got to have this republic. It is a rule of law. And Article 1, Section 10 says that states can defend themselves.

[00:45:58] All of these perspectives are constitutional. And there needs to be some reasoned statesmen get together. It took months to fog through what the Constitution was going to look like. This is not going to happen in a discussion between you and me because, you know what, I don't think we either one of us understand the other one's position well enough to be able to articulate how there might be a bridge between things.

[00:46:27] But I've sat on very, very difficult negotiations for months. And we've come up with good solutions, I think. And it's solutions that ultimately, when people have looked at it, say, well, it's kind of like what happened with the Constitution. And they said, you know what, we were all here. We saw this is the best solution we can get.

[00:46:51] But, you know, just throw it open and start everybody marching in the streets and everything like that. It's going to be as divisional as the, you know, Antifa and Black Lives Matter. Well, and that's why I'm calling on this radio program for Commerheads. And I agree that you can't solve it in an hour. I agree with all that.

[00:47:11] I guess I'm just trying to say I think any common sense person can say the person here illegally that has committed no other criminal acts who could be turned into a taxpayer who may have a penalty to society to pay for their whatever isn't the same as somebody who just, you know, what is that Riley Act or whatever based on this guy that murdered this girl? Okay, the two aren't the same. People can start there, right? Well, but don't just say you're going to turn them into a taxpayer.

[00:47:41] That's a Marxist view. People become an economic arm of the state. That's all they are. And that's what the Romans did. The Romans were going to turn these vandals and all of the barbarians that are coming from the north. No, I got it. I understand. So here's the question. What do you do with them? Take Johnny. Like I say. What do you do with him? I really do believe there's a solution, Sam. And I would sit on that committee. I mean, of course, nobody's going to ask me.

[00:48:10] I mean, at the end of the day, do you make them leave the country? Probably. But the fact of the matter is there's a reason, an approach to do that. It's because the fact is that if you here's what here's what Reagan did in 1986. Olly olly oxen free. Yeah. Everybody amnesty for everybody. And so. So I don't think amnesty is the answer either. But if you make everybody leave, you're going to have what? 30 million people leave the country or 40. What's the number, you think?

[00:48:40] Maybe. It's probably closer to 40. But here's the here's the deal, though. The way Reagan did it opened the door for everybody. Let's say I don't remember the numbers. It's been a few years since that. But Reagan did amnesty, right? No. Well, yes. For those that had been there before a certain period of time. But suddenly, see, they thought they had three or four million, if I recall correctly. Suddenly, five or six million said, hey, I've been here. I met the qualifications.

[00:49:07] So then they realized if we get here, they're going to do another amnesty sooner or later. So there needs to be a reasoned solution. And it may be that, look, you're here. We give you a chit that says, you know, I've been here 15 years. I was a child brought here. And now I've been, you know, I've got through high school and blah, blah, blah. And you go back to your home country with your family. You don't deport, break up families and all that kind of stuff.

[00:49:37] Say, OK, we're not we're keeping families. We're a family centered country. And all I'm doing is talking off the top of my head, because ultimately and finally, you can't just say all the all the oxen free, because that will open up next the next round of this. Well, and that's why you've got to have a penalty and you've got to assess every situation. And you've got to do it, you know, case by case. I don't think you could you can create buckets of cases that you can put people in and say.

[00:50:05] But I but I I think that the first acknowledgement we have to have to come to a peaceful solution that makes sense is, hey, they're all illegally here. That's a fact that it's against the law. Number one. So no amnesty, period. Number two. Hey, these people are different in their realities. And so we've got to treat them differently. Whether they all leave or not is a question. You know, does it make sense for someone to leave if employers are depending on them, if this, if that, if you know,

[00:50:33] what economic reality does it cost for someone to leave and then eventually try to come back or maybe never come back? You know, there's there's a lot of complications. And I'm not saying that it's easy, but I am saying at least these discussions bring about. Some way to work together. And right now, I don't say that we have that. Well, and there's some hard nose people on both sides. And usually there's some kind of solution that can be come to.

[00:51:01] And and there may be employment situations that employers get involved. They become sponsors. I mean, after World War Two, there were a lot of people that came from Europe that had American sponsors that says, you know what? I'm going to be responsible. The taxpayer will not be responsible. I mean, it cannot be. That's not the way it's going to be. I agree 100 percent. Tax care. Let's say I'm responsible. And that's why I say those who are here that aren't criminals. Maybe there's a way they can pay back their debt to society for skipping the line.

[00:51:29] And you can either deport, you can either deport and get credit for your willingness to obey or you can pay a fee or a fine or whatever, you know, based on circumstances. There may be options. And anyway, people have got to intelligently work through this and come up with a plan. And so far, I don't see anybody coming up with a plan. You and I have come up with more of a plan on the radio today, airing out the pros and cons and the situation than I've heard from anybody else administration wise or otherwise. Yeah, that's a sad tale.

[00:51:58] No, it's not a slap shot deal. And Americans need to realize that, you know, Trump's bold statements, everybody interpreted them in their own, you know, their Johari window, they call it, their own window of knowledge and their own, you know, frame of reference and everything. And a lot of people, just like they did with Obama's, I always use this one, change you can believe in. What does that mean?

[00:52:24] Well, there's probably 100,000, 2 million, I don't know how many bazillions of interpretations of that. But there's got to be a clearly defined outcome that is thought through. You know who's responsible to define that in my mind? Well, I think Congress. I hate to say it, but Congress is probably the one. Congress is, they're the least qualified. But they're not doing anything with it. No, they're the least qualified to do anything.

[00:52:53] But they're the people we put in office and we've got to start holding their feet in the fire. They've got, you know, an Article I, Section 8 responsibility. There's an Article 4, Section 4 responsibility. And then, of course, the states are in the mix with an Article 1, Section 10, where we can defend ourselves if there's an invasion that can't be responded to. People need to get to the table. And by the way, it probably includes sheriffs. It probably includes governors.

[00:53:20] governors, I mean, and I cannot think of a governor I would trust to sit at that table at this moment. I mean, we have got a bunch of lessers that are going to be sitting at the table. They are the people that got us into trouble to begin with. I'm going to stake out the facts. One, amnesty is not an option. And then I think we ought to stake out, you know, acknowledge that there's a difference, though. There's a difference between somebody who is here illegally, but they're not a criminal otherwise. They're not violent.

[00:53:49] They don't have a track record of hostile gang affiliation or abuse. There's a difference between those people. I think the sooner we can stake out some things that we can all acknowledge to be the case, I think the sooner we can come up with a plan that actually makes some sense. And I'm not saying grant anybody amnesty. That's one of the biggest things that we cannot do. That's what Reagan did, and it was a failure only to be, you know, proposed again. All right, 20 seconds. You're out of time, doctor. Go ahead. Well, okay.

[00:54:18] Okay, let's get some reason to statesmen and diplomats together. But this thing is not going to be solved in the streets by marchers or rioters. It can't be. We can't let that happen. Amen. And that's the reason that I bring it up, ladies and gentlemen. I agree that it's a complicated topic. I understand that the discussion's got to start somewhere. And it might as well be the greatest think tank on the planet. Liberty Roundtable Live. Not because of me, but because all the incredible people we bring to Liberty Roundtable. Thank you, Dr. Bradley. God save the republic.