Radio Show Hour 1 – 01/08/2025

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[00:00:34] This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for January the 8th in the year of our Lord 2025.

[00:00:41] The goal always to protect life, liberty, and property, to promote God, family, and country,

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[00:00:49] We use the blueprint for liberty, the supreme law of the land,

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[00:00:55] As you know, we reject revolution, unless it's a Jesus revolution,

[00:00:59] then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:01:02] The checks and balances brilliantly put in place by the founding fathers,

[00:01:05] one of the peaceful, restorative solutions we have at our fingertips.

[00:01:09] Ladies and gentlemen, we have a great guest today.

[00:01:11] But first, Lance Miliacho, George Ballantyne with me, the Big Mig Brothers.

[00:01:15] Welcome to both of you gentlemen.

[00:01:17] Hey, good morning, Sam.

[00:01:18] Happy to be here as usual.

[00:01:19] Love the Liberty Roundtable live listeners.

[00:01:22] So we're ready to go, ready to just hammer down.

[00:01:24] Hi, George.

[00:01:26] Hello, Sam, and good morning to all our listeners.

[00:01:28] I hope you all had a healthy, happy, and safe new year.

[00:01:32] You know, Sam, I'm going to say this.

[00:01:33] I'm going to say this right now.

[00:01:34] If things go according to plan, what each person in Trump's cabinet said they're going to do,

[00:01:41] the weekly news cycle is not going to disappoint.

[00:01:44] It's going to be huge every week, but we'll see.

[00:01:48] You're right about that reality check.

[00:01:50] We will keep an eye on that ball.

[00:01:53] Our guest today is a very unique gentleman.

[00:01:57] He's involved in a lot of interesting cross topics.

[00:02:01] The first topic, though, is how fentanyl is a huge problem in America.

[00:02:08] He's involved in the production of a documentary film, Fentanyl Death Incorporated.

[00:02:15] I've got a little bit from the official trailer first that I want to kind of talk about.

[00:02:19] It's a hidden true crime documentary.

[00:02:24] FentanylDeathIncorporated.com is where you can learn more about it.

[00:02:26] Let's play a little bit of this clip, and then we'll get the good doctor.

[00:02:30] This is fentanyl.

[00:02:32] This is your brain on fentanyl.

[00:02:35] This is your friend's brain who was doing fentanyl with you.

[00:02:38] This is the guy down the street also doing fentanyl.

[00:02:42] These are your kids who thought they were taking a Percocet they got from a friend who got it off the Internet.

[00:02:46] But the pill was laced with fentanyl.

[00:02:47] Now they're unconscious and unresponsive.

[00:02:49] This is the Mexican cartels.

[00:02:51] This is the Mexican cartels working with Chinese chemical companies to make pills by the millions,

[00:02:56] destabilizing the border to traffic enough fentanyl to kill the entire population of a country many times over.

[00:03:02] This is the ports of British Columbia, where chemicals to make fentanyl are smuggled in by the tonnage,

[00:03:06] and Canadian super labs are producing fentanyl to export to countries around the world.

[00:03:10] These are gangs and drug dealers near you,

[00:03:13] haphazardly mixing fentanyl powder with other chemicals like xylazine,

[00:03:16] which is a horse tranquilizer, causing the user's skin to fall off.

[00:03:19] But hey, at least the high lasts longer.

[00:03:23] Any questions?

[00:03:25] Ladies and gentlemen, back with you live.

[00:03:28] My name is Sam Bushman, Lance Migliato, George Ballantyne with me.

[00:03:31] And we've got Dr. Robert Marbet with us.

[00:03:34] And not only is he involved in that incredible film, but he's a renowned expert on homelessness.

[00:03:40] He's a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute and more.

[00:03:44] It's the Center on Wealth and Poverty.

[00:03:46] We'll get into that in a minute.

[00:03:47] Discovery.org.

[00:03:49] Dr. Marbet, welcome to Liberty Roundtable Live, sir.

[00:03:58] Uh-oh, you there, doctor?

[00:04:01] Good morning to you.

[00:04:03] Good morning, sir.

[00:04:04] Welcome back.

[00:04:05] Yeah, so there's so much going on.

[00:04:06] Tell me about this fentanyl issue.

[00:04:09] This film is riveting.

[00:04:12] And let me set how bad the fentanyl crisis is, because I think once you hear that, then

[00:04:19] you'll sit there and go, wow.

[00:04:21] More people have died in fentanyl in the last five years in the United States than all combat

[00:04:27] deaths, theater deaths of all seven branches of the military service plus intelligence agencies

[00:04:34] for Americans for the last hundred years.

[00:04:39] So if you take World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan,

[00:04:50] and global war and terror, and a few other smaller things, add up all the American deaths.

[00:04:55] More people have died in fentanyl in the last five years than a hundred years of war.

[00:05:00] This is an existential threat to our country.

[00:05:04] What is the number of people in the last five years that have died?

[00:05:07] I know we don't have an exact number, but it's north of what?

[00:05:10] It's north of 500,000 now.

[00:05:13] And most experts will tell you the number is undercounted, namely because some drugs now,

[00:05:21] they mix the drugs together.

[00:05:23] And so they'll report it as tranquilizer and not fentanyl, for example.

[00:05:28] Understood.

[00:05:29] Now, I know a lot of people would blame China.

[00:05:31] I know a lot of people would blame Mexico.

[00:05:33] I know a lot of people would blame Canada.

[00:05:34] I know a lot of people, but isn't it really the United States leaders to blame for this,

[00:05:40] Congress and the president?

[00:05:42] Well, I think there's so much to go around on where the root cause is.

[00:05:48] And if you start with the phase one of the fentanyl crisis in the United States, it starts with Purdue Pharma.

[00:05:55] And you had millions of scripts given out for synthetic opioids, hundreds of thousands addicted.

[00:06:02] And then we had all the lawsuits, as everybody knows about, you know, 2014, 15, 16.

[00:06:08] So suddenly the doctors stopped prescribing it.

[00:06:12] So you have all these hundreds of thousands, millions of people addicted and getting scripts.

[00:06:16] And there was no plan on what to do with those individuals who were addicted.

[00:06:21] Because if we remember the story, they kept saying this new synthetic opioid was a special drug and you weren't going to get addicted.

[00:06:30] Well, it turns out it was highly, highly addictive.

[00:06:34] So the Mexican cartels in China jumped right in and filled the void.

[00:06:39] They start bringing the drugs in and all these people who are addicted through Purdue Pharma now get filled by the Mexican cartels in China.

[00:06:49] And so that's phase one of the federal crisis.

[00:06:52] The Purdue people couldn't have released the drug into the United States without the Federal Drug Administration's approval, FDA, right?

[00:06:59] Exactly.

[00:07:00] Exactly.

[00:07:02] You know, so that was a self-inflicted crisis.

[00:07:06] Because if you had had FDA saying, hold on a second, we can't be saying something this powerful.

[00:07:15] And the mistake was made was when the doctors and everybody promoted the concept that it was non-addictive.

[00:07:25] That became the number one problem.

[00:07:28] George, do you want to chime in here?

[00:07:30] I absolutely do because I just celebrated 11 years sobriety.

[00:07:34] And the doctors also have to take responsibility in this because I don't I can't see a doctor not not knowing it wasn't it wasn't addicted that that fentanyl didn't cause addiction.

[00:07:46] Plus, you know, they're there.

[00:07:47] They had all these pill shops with doctors just, you know, giving out prescriptions.

[00:07:52] They cared about the money and incentives from the drug companies.

[00:07:55] So there's, you know, doctors have a big role in to play in this.

[00:08:00] But, you know, it and pharmacies because the pharmacies were asleep.

[00:08:05] How can you know, say Robert walks in and and takes three 30 pill of oxycodone or oxycontin?

[00:08:15] Why do I need 90 pills in 10 days?

[00:08:18] And they had the computers to check that.

[00:08:21] They now do that.

[00:08:22] But back then they weren't checking.

[00:08:23] So the doctors and the pharmacies were all incentivized to hand this out.

[00:08:28] I don't know if back then the computer, all the pharmacists and doctors were hooked into this computer system.

[00:08:35] Like not all states had it, but now they do.

[00:08:38] Like you can't you can go to a doctor.

[00:08:40] He'll look right on the computer.

[00:08:41] You can see if you're getting prescribed medicine from another doctor.

[00:08:44] So, you know, thank God that system's in place.

[00:08:46] But.

[00:08:48] The question is, now it's still coming from over the border.

[00:08:51] So who do we who do we put responsibility stopping at?

[00:08:56] The U.S. government.

[00:08:57] Now and now you have you know, we have the original phase still lingering through the Mexican cartels.

[00:09:08] China's not making the fentanyl as much anymore.

[00:09:12] They do a little bit.

[00:09:13] But where they're real dangerous, they do the precursors and that the precursors are sent up to Mexico.

[00:09:20] And in the last nine months, there's been a big shift to the northern border coming through the northern border.

[00:09:29] And you have Mexican cartels working directly with biker gangs up in Canada.

[00:09:36] And then some biker gangs in Canada are just working straight with China and are bringing in from the northern border.

[00:09:44] And so to me, a sovereign country's most important fundamental responsibility is controlling your border and knowing who comes in your country and what are they bringing.

[00:09:58] That's like it's not even step.

[00:10:00] But that's almost a prerequisite of being a country.

[00:10:03] That's something we're supposed to do.

[00:10:05] We're supposed to take care of what comes across the border with things and people.

[00:10:10] And last four years, we just don't know.

[00:10:12] It's people been asleep at the switch on this.

[00:10:16] I mean, 100 percent.

[00:10:17] I agree with you.

[00:10:19] And I know for a fact that Mexico, since probably like at least four years ago, they've been making their own precursors, getting rid of China.

[00:10:27] Because I've seen a whole documentary on that, too.

[00:10:29] I forget the lady's name.

[00:10:31] She was actually in Mexico.

[00:10:34] And right there, the gang members are telling them, like, they don't want to rely on China.

[00:10:38] They don't want to cut out the middlemen.

[00:10:39] They started making their own precursors.

[00:10:43] They're actually recruiting students that are graduating as chemical engineers and straight out of college now to work for the cartels to actually create the precursors from scratch.

[00:10:54] Because they're also having a little more difficulty because the U.S. has tried to focus on those precursors and the importation in midwater.

[00:11:02] And, of course, the easiest way to do it is don't buy the precursors from China.

[00:11:06] Create them yourself.

[00:11:07] And let me just comment.

[00:11:09] And as far as the northern border, the U.S. has always used the southern border as kind of what I consider the advertising campaign for the issues with the cartel and border patrol.

[00:11:20] But the northern border has always been an easy access point.

[00:11:24] You've got the Great Lakes.

[00:11:26] The cartels have used this.

[00:11:28] I wouldn't call it clandestine.

[00:11:29] But they've been using that northern access for a very long time, you know, because there's so much border up there to protect.

[00:11:37] And the government hasn't done a good job of protecting it.

[00:11:40] All enemies, foreign and domestic, seems to have gone out the window, specifically with the Biden administration.

[00:11:44] But even past administrations have done a lousy job.

[00:11:48] We've funded all these kinetic events around the globe.

[00:11:51] But we've decided that protecting our border is too expensive.

[00:11:55] As they told Donald Trump, we didn't have the five to seven billion dollars create an effective border wall, which was just ridiculous.

[00:12:02] Because now you see they're taking that same border wall that was produced and they're selling it for pennies on the dollar on public auction sites.

[00:12:09] That was some news that recently came out.

[00:12:11] That got stopped in a junction.

[00:12:13] It's a disgrace.

[00:12:14] So, Dr. Marbut, back to you.

[00:12:17] Your film highlights the problem big time.

[00:12:22] Does it focus on the solution, too?

[00:12:26] Yes, it does.

[00:12:27] And we spend a lot of time on solutions.

[00:12:29] And to sort of put a bow on what's going on on the Canadian side, always remember the United States of Canada share the longest border of any two countries in the world.

[00:12:43] And you always have to remember about Alaska.

[00:12:46] You know, it's not just blame to Maine.

[00:12:49] But you've got to add in Alaska.

[00:12:51] And there are many parts of the northern border that is drugs and fentanyl in particular just getting walked across the border.

[00:12:59] So now, in terms of solutions, the one thing that I always, you know, and maybe I get a little too wonky on this, is I always I'm scared or worried when people say there's only one thing you've got to do.

[00:13:16] We've got to do it.

[00:13:17] We're so deep in a hole now that we're losing 125,000, 150,000 people a year.

[00:13:24] And not all are addicts.

[00:13:26] Zero to four.

[00:13:29] There's eight people, children, kiddos, babies.

[00:13:33] Zero to four.

[00:13:34] The fastest growing death in that category is fentanyl poisoning, where it's just like fentanyl dust.

[00:13:41] So if it's on a counter at a restaurant or in a parking lot or a park bench and you touch your food and you only get the equivalent of two grams of salt, that's enough to kill you.

[00:13:53] Yeah.

[00:13:54] So that's, you know, people 18 to 45, number one killer, full stop, period.

[00:14:02] You know, no, no, just period.

[00:14:04] That's the number one category.

[00:14:06] So we've gotten so bad.

[00:14:09] So here's the order of what we got to do.

[00:14:12] One, we got to get real strict and tough with China.

[00:14:15] And we got to keep the precursors and pre-precursors from coming in from China.

[00:14:22] You got to work on the Mexican cartels.

[00:14:26] And we got to find a way to work jointly with Mexico.

[00:14:30] Mexico.

[00:14:31] We've done joint programs before and turned out we were very, very successful in Colombia, for example.

[00:14:39] Colombia is a beautiful country now.

[00:14:41] I've been as a tourist.

[00:14:44] And there was a time that American would never go to Colombia.

[00:14:47] You would be killed in half a day.

[00:14:50] And now Colombia is good.

[00:14:51] And we did joint operations with them and it worked well.

[00:14:55] We have to start focusing on Canada, in particular the biker gangs.

[00:15:00] We've got to toughen up the northern border.

[00:15:02] Then, once you get through all of that, the decriminalization, especially on the coastal areas, West Coast, California, Oregon, Washington State, even Hawaii, places that have moved toward decriminalization of high-end drugs just is insane.

[00:15:22] And decriminalization occurs in two ways.

[00:15:25] One is they actually change the statutes and say it's not going to be a felony more.

[00:15:30] We might not even make it a misdemeanor.

[00:15:32] And then there are other places where it is on the book and they never prosecute it.

[00:15:37] So those are your first four things you have to do.

[00:15:40] And then after that, you can work on tearing down the harm reduction.

[00:15:45] And then we have to work on our own addiction issues inside the United States.

[00:15:50] So those are the things you have to do if you're going to really be successful to make a change.

[00:15:55] And I counsel people, if you only do one thing, it's not going to be enough.

[00:16:00] And in relationship to that reality, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about fentanyldeathincorporated.com.

[00:16:08] Check out the trailer.

[00:16:09] See the movie.

[00:16:12] Fentanyldeathincorporated.com.

[00:16:12] But I think this is a correlating statistic that directly relates.

[00:16:17] Homelessness in America increases to highest number on record.

[00:16:23] You've got an article up about that at the Discovery Institute, discovery.org.

[00:16:27] But these two are completely related, right?

[00:16:31] Directly related.

[00:16:33] And I was President Trump's first homelessness czar, quote, unquote.

[00:16:39] And we started seeing fentanyl really come in in 2019, 2020, 21.

[00:16:47] And that's when you started seeing the tie with homelessness.

[00:16:53] And think San Francisco, think Philadelphia, Kensington District.

[00:16:58] And they're directly connected for a variety of reasons.

[00:17:02] Now fentanyl is way more than the homelessness population.

[00:17:05] But in the beginning, there was a direct tie to it.

[00:17:09] And namely, think San Francisco and Philadelphia, which were the two epicenters.

[00:17:14] Both those local governments created safe consumption sites.

[00:17:19] So in San Francisco, think about this.

[00:17:23] The health authority spent $28 million setting up a place where people can come and do fentanyl together.

[00:17:31] It is mind-boggling that you use taxpayer dollars to buy drug paraphernalia for addicts.

[00:17:41] We should be paying for treatment and recovery.

[00:17:44] We shouldn't be paying for, here, take some fentanyl.

[00:17:49] It is just crazy where those local communities and state communities went on this issue.

[00:17:57] And Lance, you highlight what's going on in Colorado to make the point.

[00:18:01] It's been an open border kind of state for a long time.

[00:18:05] I know it's not on the border, but it's become a sanctuary kind of state.

[00:18:08] And they're doubling down on it.

[00:18:09] And the results correlate.

[00:18:11] Lance?

[00:18:13] Yeah, 100%.

[00:18:14] You're seeing this pattern.

[00:18:16] And I think we're at the early stages of this because we're still seeing housing getting paid for.

[00:18:20] What happens when the social subsidies completely stop across the country, which we know that once the Trump administration goes through, that's a likely outcome.

[00:18:31] That housing is going to be completely discontinued and the availability of funds to house.

[00:18:36] What you've seen in Colorado is they opened, armed, invited all these illegal immigrants to come here.

[00:18:43] And now what we're seeing is homelessness.

[00:18:45] And it's obvious on every single corner.

[00:18:48] I see it when I just go downtown.

[00:18:50] And you've got the, you know, and you can see it even in the residential neighborhoods because on the main intersections, you've got the guys with the Windex bottles and the squeegees out in force or even in grocery store parking lots.

[00:19:03] They come up to you and ask if they can clean your windows and if you'll throw them a couple of bucks.

[00:19:06] You've got families sitting outside of Costco here having their children walk up to people after they come out of the store, seeing if they can give them a few items of food or some fruit or something out of their basket you've already been paid for.

[00:19:20] And it's sad.

[00:19:21] You know, this border invasion that the Biden administration, you know, did with open arms, they welcomed everybody.

[00:19:31] They did it because they were trying to create a 30 million deep ghost voter pool.

[00:19:35] We're now going to feel the consequences of this.

[00:19:37] And my concern, my big concern about this homelessness situation is when the when all the subsidies stop, when there are no preloaded EBT cards and no free health care and free cell phones and no housing or no anything else.

[00:19:50] What are these people going to do?

[00:19:53] Is this when the violence is really going to start?

[00:19:55] Because we've already seen an uptick in, you know, well, we pray the violence doesn't start either violence or or, you know, crimes will start or they will support depending on how we deal with this.

[00:20:06] The report is the homelessness is at the highest number on record in Colorado specifically.

[00:20:13] 30 percent increase by last year alone.

[00:20:16] And both of you, Lance and Dr. Mar, but asking, hey, why do taxpayer tolerate this?

[00:20:24] You know, it's amazing.

[00:20:26] Doctor, what do we do about the homelessness?

[00:20:28] Are the answers the same between the two or do we need a different response to that?

[00:20:32] Most people want to put them in houses and think it'll be solved and it won't work.

[00:20:37] No, if you just give stuff away, give goodies away is the way I put it.

[00:20:42] It never will work.

[00:20:44] Just full stop, it will not work.

[00:20:47] And it has not worked.

[00:20:49] Look, the Biden administration has tried that and it's gone up almost 40 percent in the four years that they've been in control in the administration homeless.

[00:21:00] And by the way, every year they have to release a report to Congress.

[00:21:05] And the numbers were so bad this year where they released it two days after Christmas, one day after Hanukkah on Friday before New Year's.

[00:21:16] All they had that the only thing they could have done to hide it more is release it at 459 on a Friday.

[00:21:23] And they were the numbers are so bad.

[00:21:25] And they created a program called Housing First, which is a harm reduction program, which says we'll give you everything you need.

[00:21:38] And we'll give you free food, free housing, free gas vouchers, free medicine, give it all to you.

[00:21:44] And when you want to take care of your main problem, which is generally substance use on the streets, 75 percent of the people have substance use disorders and untreated mental illness.

[00:21:57] And so they give you everything and they say, when you're ready for help, come let us know.

[00:22:02] We should do it the way you do a government Pell Grant.

[00:22:06] We don't do this for unemployment in TANF or Pell Grant.

[00:22:09] If you're an Pell Grant, you have to go to class.

[00:22:13] You have to have a certain GPA.

[00:22:16] You have to have a C or better.

[00:22:18] You have to attend all your classes or most of your classes.

[00:22:22] And you have a time limit.

[00:22:24] But instead, in the world of homelessness, we give you everything for free, housing being the most expensive.

[00:22:31] And you're not required to go to any programs.

[00:22:34] You're not required to go to any treatment.

[00:22:36] And I think in America, if you especially with some of our local and states, they've made it they've focused on making it very easy to get high and hard to get treatment.

[00:22:47] We need to flip it on the head and make it easy to get treatment and hard to get high.

[00:22:52] Do you think Trump's team will get that done, doctor?

[00:22:55] Oh, I'm so excited.

[00:22:57] But President-elect Trump has done more on fentanyl in the last 30 days as a non-sitting president or as an incoming president than the entire administration of the last four years together.

[00:23:13] He's gotten more attention from Canada, more attention from Mexico and China, and already has them making changes.

[00:23:21] And so I'm excited about the team that's coming in to fix these issues.

[00:23:29] Dr. Marbut, I know you've got the film, Fentanyl Death Incorporated, a hard-hitting true crime documentary.

[00:23:38] And then we talk about this homelessness in America at the highest level.

[00:23:44] It's great to educate the consumer to know what's happening.

[00:23:47] That's step one.

[00:23:48] But step two, how do we get involved?

[00:23:51] Well, the most important thing we've got to do is get Congress to give the authority to President Trump to do the things he needs to do.

[00:24:00] And that's going to be the first order of business.

[00:24:04] All right, sir, we're flat out of time.

[00:24:06] Thank you so much for your time.

[00:24:07] You want to learn more about the good doctor, Dr. Robert Marbutt?

[00:24:15] Discovery.org is where you can learn about that.

[00:24:17] You want to learn more about the film?

[00:24:21] FentanylDeathIncorporated.com.

[00:24:22] Check that out.

[00:24:23] Or Discovery.org.

[00:24:24] Thank you, doctor.

[00:24:26] Thank you so much.

[00:24:27] And most importantly, thank you for caring about this issue.

[00:24:30] We care deeply about it.

[00:24:32] We back Trump and solutions as well.

[00:24:34] And we back the good doctor, Marbutt, doing a great job bringing attention to this.

[00:24:39] We the people can make a difference.

[00:24:41] There's nothing we can't accomplish as Americans.

[00:24:43] Hang tight.

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[00:25:13] Temperatures are only in the lower teens.

[00:25:15] Minneapolis, temperatures are right around zero.

[00:25:17] So very cold air across parts of the Dakotas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa.

[00:25:21] Pretty typical temperatures for a very cold air mass at the moment.

[00:25:26] Not a lot of records there.

[00:25:27] Bob Orovac, lead forecaster with the National Weather Service.

[00:25:30] A lot of cold air in place across the country.

[00:25:32] It's really setting up the potential for a pretty, very impactful storm.

[00:25:36] Anywhere from the plains into the lower Missouri Valley, Mississippi Valley, Ohio Valley,

[00:25:41] and eventually into the east United States over the next several days.

[00:25:44] And late today, parts of eastern Kansas and Missouri up to 8 to 12 inches of snow in bitterly cold conditions.

[00:25:53] Also at townhall.com, Congress notified by the Biden administration of a planned $8 billion weapon sale to Israel.

[00:26:03] The sale includes medium-range air-to-air missiles to help Israel defend against airborne threats,

[00:26:10] 155-millimeter projectile artillery shells for long-range targeting,

[00:26:15] Hellfire AGM-114 missiles, 500-pound bombs, and more.

[00:26:20] It would add to a record of around $18 billion in military aid that the U.S. has provided Israel since the war began more than a year ago.

[00:26:30] I'm Julie Walker.

[00:26:31] Police in Denmark are investigating a report of some 20 drones over the port of Kij, just southwest of Copenhagen.

[00:26:40] Police had been called to the site by a witness who claimed to have seen the drones that later disappeared at a very high rate of speed.

[00:26:48] Police were trying to determine who owns the drones as no permission had been issued for the drone flights in that area.

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[00:29:00] Isn't this great?

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[00:29:10] I mean, how long has it been?

[00:29:12] Well, first of all, we should talk about your schedule.

[00:29:15] There are a few things that could use some adjusting, but overall, I think it's going all right.

[00:29:21] Basically, I think we're doing a pretty good job of communicating, which is good.

[00:29:25] You're doing a really good job of letting me know how you feel about things.

[00:29:28] I just, I want to keep the lines open, if you know what I mean.

[00:29:33] Jerry?

[00:29:34] It's 4 o'clock in the morning.

[00:29:36] What are you doing?

[00:29:37] Oh, I was, I was just giving Emily a bottle.

[00:29:40] Who are you talking to?

[00:29:42] Emily.

[00:29:43] She's only three weeks old, and she's asleep.

[00:29:47] I know.

[00:29:48] I was just practicing.

[00:29:50] Family.

[00:29:50] Isn't it about time?

[00:29:52] Isn't this great?

[00:29:53] Just the three of us.

[00:29:55] No work, no interruptions, no phone.

[00:29:57] From the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

[00:30:13] Casting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show.

[00:30:21] Radio Talk Show.

[00:30:25] All right.

[00:30:26] Welcome back to Liberty Roundtable.

[00:30:29] Here with your hosts, Sam Bushman and friends.

[00:30:31] We got the Big Mig Brothers, Lance Migliaccio and George Ballantine.

[00:30:36] We are live.

[00:30:37] You know, we're just talking about so many topics just now.

[00:30:40] And one of them, we're talking about addiction, the fentanyl coming over the border, the homelessness.

[00:30:45] And I can, from experience and being educated in this field, you can't force anybody into wanting to get clean and sober.

[00:30:55] But what helps an individual, especially someone who's homeless, is having a safe place to live.

[00:31:03] And if you take that, you know, giving them a safe place, then you have to get them, you have to deal with the mental, if there's any kind of psychological issues, you need to get them psychologically right.

[00:31:14] And then in hopes, they'll go with the rehab.

[00:31:17] It's like a dual occurring disorders.

[00:31:19] But I always say you have to get it's mind, body and spirit.

[00:31:24] Go those three in order and they have a better chance.

[00:31:28] But, you know, once they do that part, they focus on their on any kind of psychological issues and and their addiction.

[00:31:36] You can get past that and then start teaching them either jobs, get them out there working, having them save up while continuing to monitor them and doing some kind of outpatient over there where they can actually go get their own apartment.

[00:31:53] You know, it's time.

[00:31:54] It'll take work.

[00:31:55] But, you know, you can stop the fentanyl coming in, but there'll be there's always going to be something else coming in.

[00:32:01] But Sam, I want to and Lance, I want to bring up something that nobody brought up when we're talking about the northern border.

[00:32:07] Hold on to that for a second before you go on.

[00:32:08] One of the things that needs to be done, in my opinion, is there needs to be a break from the addiction.

[00:32:13] There needs to be a way to get people sober enough to be able to make wise choices.

[00:32:19] When you're not sober, you're not able to make the wise choices.

[00:32:21] You're just able to focus on the next fix.

[00:32:23] So the next whatever.

[00:32:24] And you're kind of, you know, extracted from the world, in other words, isolated to where that's the only thing that matters.

[00:32:30] But if you can give them a little bit of time to think straight, you know, give a little bit of time to to sober up and say, you know what?

[00:32:36] I really do want a chance to recover.

[00:32:38] I really do want a chance to change.

[00:32:39] I really need it.

[00:32:40] And I think it starts with that break.

[00:32:43] What do you say, George?

[00:32:46] Yeah, I agree with you, Sam.

[00:32:47] And like I was saying, like, if when you're so you have to put them in the detox, right?

[00:32:53] When you get the drugs out of the system.

[00:32:54] And if they're having a safe chance, give them a fresh start.

[00:32:57] And if they're having a safe place in food where they don't have to worry about that right then and there, it's, you know, if you have to worry about those things and focus on that, you won't be able to focus on your recovery.

[00:33:08] So they need that.

[00:33:09] And then along with that, there's psychological.

[00:33:12] Yeah, you have to deal with that, too.

[00:33:15] There's a lot of times if there's a simple example to make the point later.

[00:33:18] If I'm homeless and I want a job, let's say I get a job and I can go to work.

[00:33:21] What do I do with my clothes?

[00:33:23] What do I do with my belongings in the meantime?

[00:33:25] Where do I put them?

[00:33:26] How do they stay safe?

[00:33:27] How do I not lose everything I have?

[00:33:29] Well, I got.

[00:33:29] OK, so it's again, we've got to start to find ways to say, how do we spend the least amount of money, but yet give them the opportunities and the circumstances that actually work?

[00:33:40] And I think it starts breaking the drug cycle.

[00:33:42] Get them, you know, sober.

[00:33:44] Get them, you know, the opportunity to detox.

[00:33:48] Hey, there's a fresh start.

[00:33:50] You can think straight now.

[00:33:52] And then there's no guarantee because you're right.

[00:33:54] You can't force them.

[00:33:55] But you can set the stage for success.

[00:33:58] And I think it starts with some of those simple principles.

[00:34:00] Lance, do you want a final word on this?

[00:34:03] Yeah, I think you guys have nailed it.

[00:34:04] I don't think you can fix the problem without looking at all the pieces that make that problem fixable.

[00:34:10] So, you know, honestly, I think you guys have covered everything very well.

[00:34:14] And I think this is an issue.

[00:34:15] But if we continue to waste our money on all these kinetic events around the globe and all this funding, we're never going to be able to focus on making America great again like we should be taking care of our own citizens.

[00:34:26] Speaking of that, Donald Trump says, hey, we're going to change the name Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.

[00:34:32] He then said, hey, we're going to go ahead and make Canada the 51st state.

[00:34:35] And really kind of joking with Trudeau is Trudeau basically has to resign, melting down under pressure of all of his criminal activity and everything else.

[00:34:43] Donald mocking him in the process, but joking and saying, well, you could be the 51st governor of the state of Canada.

[00:34:50] Obviously, if you brought Canada into the United States, it couldn't be one state.

[00:34:53] It's way too big.

[00:34:54] Canada is bigger than the United States in terms of landmass.

[00:34:57] So you would need to kind of work on that.

[00:34:59] On one hand, people think it's a joke.

[00:35:01] On the other hand, some Canadian folks are going, hey, we're hardcore Canadian.

[00:35:05] We'll buy a couple of your states.

[00:35:06] And they volley back and forth.

[00:35:08] The reality is this, though.

[00:35:10] You know, when Donald Trump wants to take back the Panama Canal, I mean, I think we should have never given it away in the first place.

[00:35:15] I personally think we should have never built it, but that's another topic.

[00:35:18] Like when it comes to the Panama Canal, when it comes to Canada, when it comes to Greenland, are we going to take over Greenland and Canada?

[00:35:26] And what are we going to do with all that?

[00:35:27] I don't know if you guys know, but a quick history lesson applies here.

[00:35:31] You know, back in the day, George Bush and Klan, they were trying to create what was called the North American Union, the NTU or NAU, North American Union.

[00:35:41] And it was supposed to be equivalent to the European Union.

[00:35:44] Of course, then the European Union kind of melted down and it kind of fell out of favor.

[00:35:48] But they want to create huge trade blocks.

[00:35:51] They want to reject country borders and create regional governance.

[00:35:55] And if we're not very careful, I mean, I know on one hand it sounds cool.

[00:35:58] It's like, hey, let's just take over Canada.

[00:35:59] Let's take over Greenland.

[00:36:01] They've got a bunch of resources.

[00:36:02] Let's take back the Panama Canal.

[00:36:03] Hey, might as well, you know, if it's going to be the, you know, Gulf of America that, you know, hey, we might as well just take over Mexico too.

[00:36:12] And at some point you become very hegemonistic where you kind of think we're the, you know, masters of the world or something.

[00:36:21] But what you do if you're not very careful is you basically in the name of nationalism.

[00:36:28] You're promoting globalism.

[00:36:30] And if you're not very careful, you're going to back into this North American Union a different way than Bush did.

[00:36:35] Bush said, let's create these agreements.

[00:36:36] Let's start with NAFTA, GATT.

[00:36:38] Then Trump updated it with the UMCA or whatever that thing was called.

[00:36:43] And then it's not UMCA.

[00:36:46] What's it called?

[00:36:46] Anyway, something.

[00:36:46] And then now Trump is saying this.

[00:36:50] It's a blatant attempt to make America great on one hand and make America expand.

[00:36:55] I get it from a national security point of view, but there's serious concerns that we're promoting globalism under the banner of nationalism.

[00:37:03] Lance, you first.

[00:37:06] Game on.

[00:37:07] I'm excited.

[00:37:08] You know, I hear what you're saying.

[00:37:09] I understand your concerns.

[00:37:10] But let's face it, we just heard a story about why, you know, having Canada become the 51st state makes a lot of sense.

[00:37:19] We wouldn't so much have a border to protect externally as we would internally.

[00:37:23] We could maybe deal with the consequences of the cartels using the northern border for incredible access.

[00:37:30] Largest fresh water supply in the world.

[00:37:32] Incredible natural resources.

[00:37:34] A great people.

[00:37:35] I'm game on for that.

[00:37:36] Panama Canal.

[00:37:37] We know what Panama did with China.

[00:37:39] It's been a problem.

[00:37:41] And that is really a national security issue.

[00:37:45] So I think that's a great idea.

[00:37:47] Greenland, you know, I'm not sure about Greenland.

[00:37:49] I know that preemptively it's a tactical good choice.

[00:37:53] But I'm not sure about the overall picture.

[00:37:55] I think it's got a relatively small population and even the landmass being great.

[00:38:00] I'm just not sure.

[00:38:00] I don't know enough about Greenland to make a competent decision.

[00:38:03] And I think this.

[00:38:06] I understand what you're saying, Sam.

[00:38:08] But I think that America has to take a proactive position moving forward.

[00:38:13] I feel like for so long all we've done is sit on the sidelines and send our money out and not make choices that are good for the country.

[00:38:20] We're making choices that are good for the other countries.

[00:38:23] And I know people will argue, well, we have to protect it because they're our allies.

[00:38:27] Are they really?

[00:38:28] Sometimes I feel like our allies don't have the best interests of our country.

[00:38:33] How's Mexico our allies?

[00:38:33] It's not like right now they're volunteering their own funds.

[00:38:35] And the ally of Canada is France, right?

[00:38:36] I mean, half the country speaks French and they're very, very, very liberal and stuff like that.

[00:38:42] Well, I can understand that, but maybe that's part of that's leadership.

[00:38:45] I've met a lot of Canadian people that I really like that don't have that perspective, that they did not like Trudeau, that they don't like the country's politics.

[00:38:53] They don't like what's going on up there.

[00:38:55] And at the end of the day, even though I know that there are some good things about it, they have some strong social subsidy programs for health insurance and otherwise, and people are happy about that.

[00:39:04] At the end of the day, when was the last time any one of these allies in these other countries put out a helping hand for the U.S.?

[00:39:11] When was the last time any of them sent us money or sent us any sort of support?

[00:39:16] Are they volunteering right now, for example, to help in the fires in California?

[00:39:21] What about that?

[00:39:22] They're not that stupid, right?

[00:39:25] Yeah, yeah.

[00:39:26] That's a good point.

[00:39:27] I mean, I say that jokingly.

[00:39:28] I agree that it's good to help one another.

[00:39:29] I'm just saying from their point of view, it's just take, take, take, take, take for the greatest nation on the earth and trash the nation along the way.

[00:39:37] So some are saying that now Donald Trump is not ruling out the opportunity.

[00:39:42] He implies he might use the military to gain control of the Panama Canal and Greenland.

[00:39:48] And Elon Musk noted on Tuesday, if the people of Greenland want to be part of America, we hope they do.

[00:39:56] You'll be most welcome, says Elon Musk.

[00:39:59] Now it turns out that yesterday, they say it's a deal that must happen, meaning Greenland becomes part of the United States or purchased by the United States.

[00:40:12] Headline says, watch Donald Trump Jr. and Charlie Kirk arrive in Greenland.

[00:40:18] And Joe Kovacs over at WND.com has a video clip of junior landing there and everything else.

[00:40:25] And it's a big all to do.

[00:40:26] They call it a quote, unofficial visit to Greenland.

[00:40:30] Basically, the question becomes, will Trump go ahead and skip the break?

[00:40:33] Will Trump use the military to do some of these things?

[00:40:36] And do you think it's justified, George?

[00:40:39] Well, let me go back.

[00:40:40] So the agreement you're talking about is the USMCA, United States, Mexico, Canada agreement on that.

[00:40:45] Yeah, USMCA.

[00:40:47] I'm going to start with Panama.

[00:40:48] They basically replaced GATT or NAFTA, just so you know.

[00:40:50] NAFTA, yeah, yeah.

[00:40:51] So let me start with Panama real quick.

[00:40:53] I wholeheartedly, 100% agree we should take back Panama.

[00:40:57] It's a national security threat.

[00:40:59] They let China in there, and we need to stop it.

[00:41:02] Why did we built it?

[00:41:04] Whatever it's done, you can't change that.

[00:41:05] But we can change back taking it back.

[00:41:08] Yeah, so let me give the reasoning Trump would say is, hey, when we give it to you guys, it was supposed to operate independently.

[00:41:14] You turn it over to the communists.

[00:41:16] You're charging us through the roof to use it.

[00:41:18] We're not going to tolerate that.

[00:41:19] We're going to take back control of it and make sure that it's used appropriately and fairly as intended, right?

[00:41:26] Right.

[00:41:27] Now, well, Greenland has a lot of natural minerals, plus it's for our national security.

[00:41:33] We have military there already.

[00:41:34] I think we have two bases there from what I understand.

[00:41:36] So, I mean, I don't agree with using our military to take it.

[00:41:41] I don't think we have to because the people of Greenland are open and would welcome United States buying it.

[00:41:50] I've seen on the population of Greenland is right now.

[00:41:52] It's small.

[00:41:53] It's minute.

[00:41:54] It's like 56,000 people.

[00:41:57] Yeah.

[00:41:59] It's tiny.

[00:42:00] Is it the weather that nobody wants to live there?

[00:42:03] What is it?

[00:42:04] Well, it's a lot of it.

[00:42:05] Can somebody explain that?

[00:42:06] The fact is it's a fairly isolated island.

[00:42:07] It's the weather.

[00:42:08] It's, you know, I don't know if you realize how big Greenland is, guys.

[00:42:14] It's an island.

[00:42:15] Yeah, only because you told me last night.

[00:42:17] Do you know how big it is, George?

[00:42:20] I'm not sure.

[00:42:21] It's way bigger than Alaska.

[00:42:23] It's bigger than Texas.

[00:42:25] It's huge, my friend.

[00:42:27] It's 800,000 plus square miles.

[00:42:30] Yeah, and a lot of it's ice, too.

[00:42:32] I know.

[00:42:34] Let's take it.

[00:42:35] George hates cold weather.

[00:42:36] He hates cold weather.

[00:42:38] Well, whether you like or hate cold weather, the fact is there's rich minerals there.

[00:42:42] That's what I said.

[00:42:42] Yeah.

[00:42:43] And it's securely positioned.

[00:42:44] So that's the reason Trump wants it.

[00:42:46] Now, you know, I don't know what the plan would be.

[00:42:48] I don't know if it's like, hey, we'll let people move to Greenland.

[00:42:51] You know, maybe we could just put all the illegal aliens in Greenland.

[00:42:54] No, don't ruin it.

[00:42:57] What are you going to put them?

[00:42:59] No, no, no.

[00:43:00] See, stop.

[00:43:00] We don't have to do that because Mexico said they're taking them all back.

[00:43:03] Even the other countries started to say, oh, yeah, we'll take them back.

[00:43:05] Send them back.

[00:43:06] Oh, did you see?

[00:43:06] But you know what?

[00:43:07] Mexico behind the scenes, George, I don't know if you guys caught this news.

[00:43:10] They have started having attorneys from Mexico move into the United States to hopefully represent these people to stop them from being moved back into the country.

[00:43:21] Did you hear about that?

[00:43:22] Yeah.

[00:43:22] The Mexican government is funding the operation.

[00:43:25] Wait a minute.

[00:43:26] It's coordinated with sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary city governors backing the project as well, doing their very best to create contrary laws and everything else.

[00:43:35] Hold on.

[00:43:35] Hold on.

[00:43:36] How can Mexico send lawyers from Mexico who do not have a license to practice?

[00:43:42] Hold on.

[00:43:42] Who do not have a license to practice law in whatever state they're going to?

[00:43:47] Easy.

[00:43:47] What are you going to do about it, George?

[00:43:50] What am I going to do about it?

[00:43:52] I'm going to tell them to go back to Mexico.

[00:43:53] Go be a lawyer.

[00:43:54] You ain't.

[00:43:55] Thanks for your.

[00:43:55] Thanks for your opinion.

[00:43:57] I'll take my next call of a illegal that wants some help.

[00:44:00] Next.

[00:44:02] Boot them out, too.

[00:44:03] Listen, you know, they're being protected by.

[00:44:06] Hold on.

[00:44:06] They're being protected by mayors, governors and the current president of the United States.

[00:44:12] Well, so this is OK.

[00:44:14] When you go into.

[00:44:16] OK, let's use.

[00:44:17] Let's use.

[00:44:18] California.

[00:44:19] Hold on.

[00:44:20] I'm using logic.

[00:44:20] Hold on.

[00:44:21] Let's use California.

[00:44:22] Let's use.

[00:44:22] OK, I'm going to give you logic.

[00:44:23] Here's logic.

[00:44:24] This house has to get done.

[00:44:26] You go into California, right?

[00:44:27] They don't want to.

[00:44:28] They don't want to participate.

[00:44:29] Fine.

[00:44:29] No problem.

[00:44:30] Feds go in there.

[00:44:31] They take all the illegals.

[00:44:32] You fly them to Texas.

[00:44:34] Hold on.

[00:44:34] The president won't do that right now.

[00:44:37] Well, I'm talking about starting from January 20th and on, baby.

[00:44:41] OK, now we're talking.

[00:44:42] We're not talking.

[00:44:43] We're not talking about now.

[00:44:45] Biden doesn't know what he's doing anyway.

[00:44:47] I know.

[00:44:47] But here's what we're saying.

[00:44:48] Lance is telling you right now there's attorneys coming into the United States that are working

[00:44:52] with governors, working with city mayors, working with sanctuary groups in America that

[00:44:57] are going to oppose the Trump administration at every turn.

[00:44:59] And they're putting things in place to make it very, very, very difficult.

[00:45:01] OK, but when you round up the illegals in those cities, you just, as soon as you arrest them,

[00:45:07] you bring them on a plane and fly them to Texas.

[00:45:10] They got to deal with court.

[00:45:11] But all reality, if they're illegal, if they're illegal and they're, hold on.

[00:45:16] No, I know, but they have a staging area.

[00:45:18] No, no.

[00:45:19] Texas gave land to Trump for a staging area to get rid of them.

[00:45:22] Hold on.

[00:45:23] Let's look.

[00:45:23] Yeah, that's right.

[00:45:24] That's OK.

[00:45:25] Whether it'll fill up too fast.

[00:45:26] Here's the thing.

[00:45:26] Wait a minute.

[00:45:26] Maybe we can use Greenland for a staging area.

[00:45:29] That's what I just said.

[00:45:30] But, you know, the only problem is.

[00:45:32] It's too far, man.

[00:45:32] It's too much gas.

[00:45:33] People in Greenland eat Mexican food because you're going to have a lot of Mexican restaurants

[00:45:36] opening up.

[00:45:37] And my question is, do they eat?

[00:45:38] The ice is going to turn brown if you bring it that much Mexican food.

[00:45:41] But listen, here's the thing.

[00:45:43] I'm going to bypass.

[00:45:44] I'm going to help you guys all out.

[00:45:46] Yeah, listen.

[00:45:48] George, go ahead.

[00:45:49] Let's hear your.

[00:45:50] The Democrats are great at subverting the.

[00:45:54] Yes, they are.

[00:45:55] Law.

[00:45:55] Republicans.

[00:45:57] So let's just.

[00:45:58] For the Republicans though, George.

[00:45:59] George.

[00:46:00] Okay.

[00:46:00] All right.

[00:46:01] So screw it.

[00:46:02] Now George Balancing is going to help you guys out.

[00:46:04] We're going to arrest illegals.

[00:46:07] Soon as we arrest them, man, just fly them right out of the country to their countries

[00:46:10] and drop them off.

[00:46:11] I don't care if you got to parachute them.

[00:46:13] Whatever.

[00:46:14] Don't even bring them to court.

[00:46:15] Why waste our money with courts?

[00:46:16] They're here illegally.

[00:46:17] That's it.

[00:46:18] Boom.

[00:46:18] Bing.

[00:46:19] There should be no courts.

[00:46:20] Hold on.

[00:46:20] Hold on.

[00:46:21] Because we believe in due process, sir.

[00:46:23] Not for illegal people.

[00:46:25] For Americans.

[00:46:26] Hold on.

[00:46:26] How do you know if they're illegal unless you do due process?

[00:46:30] Well, they're going to arrest them.

[00:46:32] So they must have something on them that they know they're illegal.

[00:46:34] How do you know if they're illegal until you do due process?

[00:46:38] Okay.

[00:46:39] You think.

[00:46:40] Okay.

[00:46:40] So let's say we grab George off the street.

[00:46:42] I think he's illegal.

[00:46:43] Don't you, Lance?

[00:46:45] Well, here's the argument that I can give.

[00:46:47] Keep him for a day or two to double check.

[00:46:50] The laws of the United States do not apply to illegal immigrants.

[00:46:53] So if they do not, if they are not able to produce.

[00:46:56] No, but here's the question.

[00:46:57] Hold on.

[00:46:58] Hold on.

[00:46:59] Hold on.

[00:46:59] Hold on a second.

[00:47:01] My point is if we're going to talk about due process, we have to talk about the laws

[00:47:04] of the United States and as they apply.

[00:47:06] The laws of the United States only apply to citizens of the United States.

[00:47:08] So if you can't prove your citizenship immediately, meaning that you have correct documentation

[00:47:14] and you've gone through the fair and equal application process for getting that documentation,

[00:47:19] then you aren't illegal.

[00:47:21] The point is I don't believe you have to have full due process at that point.

[00:47:25] I think that they have an obligation to prove that they're a citizen of the United States

[00:47:28] before they get fair due process.

[00:47:31] So we start with value of papers.

[00:47:34] Exactly.

[00:47:35] And the truth of the matter is, Sam, I don't really have any empathy for people.

[00:47:38] But ask them where their papers are in Texas in the camp there.

[00:47:41] George, let me finish this.

[00:47:42] I don't have any empathy for people that came here illegally.

[00:47:44] My family came here through Ellis Island.

[00:47:47] They did it in a legal process.

[00:47:48] My wife came here from South Africa to London through a legal process.

[00:47:54] My point is that if they didn't engage in that legal process, then yeah, where are your papers?

[00:47:59] Yes, I actually agree with that process at that point because you are a criminal.

[00:48:03] And what I don't like about this is how many countries dumped the worst of their worst into that caravan

[00:48:11] so that they forced them to come into our country.

[00:48:14] And I don't think we have to have patience or due process for people that came here illegally.

[00:48:18] And I don't think we're wrong for expecting that because there isn't another country in the entire world

[00:48:24] that allows this to go on illegally.

[00:48:27] I get it.

[00:48:28] Now, here's what I believe.

[00:48:29] I believe, according to the Constitution, everyone gets due process.

[00:48:33] Okay?

[00:48:34] However, think about this clearly.

[00:48:36] Due process is different for an illegal than it is for a United States citizen.

[00:48:41] Right?

[00:48:42] Due process is different.

[00:48:43] When they start the process to say, who are you, then you're right.

[00:48:47] It's up to someone to say, look, I'm an American citizen.

[00:48:50] Here's my passport.

[00:48:51] Here's my driver's license.

[00:48:52] Here's who I am or whatever else.

[00:48:54] And if you don't have those things, we've already afforded you due process.

[00:48:58] That due process was you're allowed to document or to show, you know, your status.

[00:49:04] And if you don't have appropriate status in the United States, then due process says now you are,

[00:49:10] we have evidence of a crime here.

[00:49:12] Right?

[00:49:13] And so now we go into, okay, evidence of a crime.

[00:49:16] Let's move forward.

[00:49:17] We don't have to give the same due process to everybody equally.

[00:49:21] If you are committing a crime, right?

[00:49:24] The due process isn't the same as if you haven't committed a crime.

[00:49:28] And so we've got to realize due process doesn't always mean treat everybody the same, deal with everybody identically.

[00:49:35] If I'm going to impound your car, all I've got to do is know if you have a registration or not.

[00:49:39] If you don't, I can impound your car.

[00:49:40] I don't have to go a lot further than that.

[00:49:42] So we've got to understand due process has nuanced levels based on circumstance.

[00:49:47] Right?

[00:49:47] All right, Sam.

[00:49:48] I see you have a soft spot for this, so I'm going to ease your pain up a little bit.

[00:49:52] All right?

[00:49:54] All the gangs, all the criminals, no due process.

[00:49:57] Get them out.

[00:49:58] Okay?

[00:49:59] How do you know who they are?

[00:49:59] We know who they are.

[00:50:00] Hold on.

[00:50:01] Let me.

[00:50:01] Don't worry.

[00:50:02] We know.

[00:50:03] Come on.

[00:50:03] We know.

[00:50:05] The other people.

[00:50:06] All right.

[00:50:07] You can give them a little process.

[00:50:08] I'm for that.

[00:50:18] Get them all gone.

[00:50:19] Every single one of them, right, Lance?

[00:50:20] No.

[00:50:21] 100%.

[00:50:22] If...

[00:50:22] I don't have any use.

[00:50:24] Let me reiterate.

[00:50:25] Lance, you may not have any use, but they...

[00:50:27] They came here...

[00:50:28] No.

[00:50:28] No, no, George.

[00:50:29] This is really simple.

[00:50:29] No, Lance.

[00:50:30] No, I'm going to stop because I ain't finished.

[00:50:31] If you came here legally, if you came here through a legal process, not this criminal organization

[00:50:36] that the Biden administration and Kamala Harris perpetuated and promoted and supported

[00:50:41] and enforced and financed, if you came through here that process and you didn't come here

[00:50:45] through a legal process, then yes, absolutely.

[00:50:48] I don't want you here.

[00:50:49] You're a criminal.

[00:50:50] Get out.

[00:50:50] You violated the laws of these United States because at the end of the day, the laws have

[00:50:55] to apply equally.

[00:50:56] It's equal protection of the law.

[00:50:57] It's equal application law.

[00:50:59] And let me say this, George.

[00:51:00] Right now, if you had a family member that wanted to come here illegally, you wouldn't

[00:51:04] let them come here illegally, George.

[00:51:05] I know you.

[00:51:06] You would say, listen, we've got to put you through the process.

[00:51:08] We'll get you with a...

[00:51:09] We're going to get you with the right attorney, an immigration attorney that can handle your

[00:51:12] case, blah, blah, blah.

[00:51:13] Before the end of the hour, let me be very clear.

[00:51:16] I don't need to even go through that.

[00:51:17] I got connections to make that happen, but that's regardless of the point.

[00:51:21] But you can't take...

[00:51:22] I'm talking like the last four years, Lance.

[00:51:24] They all should go.

[00:51:25] Yes.

[00:51:26] When we talk about people that have been here for 10, 15 years that are working, that

[00:51:30] are giving back to the country, even if they're paying taxes and stuff.

[00:51:35] So you're saying if I've been illegal longer, I should get a bigger break?

[00:51:38] Like...

[00:51:38] If they have established themselves.

[00:51:40] Exactly.

[00:51:40] Yeah.

[00:51:40] If I've been criminal for 10 years, it's cool.

[00:51:43] But if it's four years, I'm not cool.

[00:51:45] Right.

[00:51:46] So I don't have a soft spot.

[00:51:48] I don't have a soft spot for immigration.

[00:51:50] Let me tell you where I stand very clearly.

[00:51:52] Are you sure?

[00:51:52] I'm talking with Lance that we need hardcore justice for hardcore criminals, without question.

[00:51:58] But I'm also, if you come, let's say that you got brought here as a four-year-old, and

[00:52:03] that's all you know.

[00:52:04] You went to school.

[00:52:04] You know English better than Spanish.

[00:52:06] You don't even know your home country.

[00:52:08] You never really...

[00:52:08] You might have visited there at best, but you don't even really know.

[00:52:11] You're...

[00:52:11] Okay, you're raised here.

[00:52:12] Now you're 25.

[00:52:13] You've worked, but you can't get to be a citizen.

[00:52:17] Now that person's not the same as a hardcore criminal.

[00:52:20] So I believe in this sliding scale that tempers...

[00:52:22] Well, what about their parents and their uncles that are here with them?

[00:52:25] Well, that's another discussion.

[00:52:27] You can't mix everybody together.

[00:52:28] That's my point.

[00:52:29] Well, they're going to say, oh, you're ripping them away from their family and this and that.

[00:52:32] No, do they go together or do they stay?

[00:52:34] Yeah, both ways, bro.

[00:52:36] You can talk about them individually, because they're not all the same.

[00:52:39] And you can say that we're going to have circumstances that relate to each of these situations.

[00:52:44] In other words, we're going to put them all in different buckets based on their circumstances.

[00:52:48] And we're going to have a sliding scale of reality to deal with this.

[00:52:52] Yeah.

[00:52:53] This issue, right?

[00:52:54] Sam, you know, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

[00:53:00] That concept you just ran out is physically impossible to execute,

[00:53:04] specifically with a government that's so incapable of making definitive guidelines

[00:53:09] and that we could even trust them to do it correctly.

[00:53:12] It's impossible.

[00:53:13] The law is not gray.

[00:53:15] It has to be black or white in this situation.

[00:53:17] At the end of the day, if they don't have the paperwork,

[00:53:20] if they don't have all the documents to prove they're a United States citizen,

[00:53:24] it has to be one rule of law and that's it.

[00:53:27] Because at the end of the day, Sam, we've allowed them to have this kind of supposed accountability

[00:53:30] our government, of their supposed determination that they're making good decisions

[00:53:34] with our Border Patrol and Department of Homeland Security.

[00:53:36] And they're not.

[00:53:37] They proved themselves to be untrustworthy to execute this.

[00:53:41] And I don't think in the limited amount of time we have that we could even create a system

[00:53:44] in the next three years, two and a half or three years that we have during the Trump administration

[00:53:48] that would effectively address this in a manner that you just described.

[00:53:52] It's impossible.

[00:53:53] Couldn't be done.

[00:53:54] In my opinion, you have to have one rule of law and that's it.

[00:53:57] End of story.

[00:53:59] And the one rule of law says every single one of them goes.

[00:54:03] Go.

[00:54:05] Every single one go.

[00:54:07] No ifs, ands, or buts.

[00:54:09] You either prove that you're a United States citizen or you're gone.

[00:54:12] No green cards.

[00:54:14] 100%.

[00:54:15] You're out.

[00:54:15] No H-1B visas.

[00:54:16] None of that.

[00:54:17] You're all gone.

[00:54:17] Every single one unless you can prove citizenship.

[00:54:20] Let's start from scratch.

[00:54:20] We can start again.

[00:54:21] We don't have to put it in their permanent record if they want to apply legally.

[00:54:25] And let's set up a system that works and they can have an opportunity to apply legally.

[00:54:29] All right, ladies and gentlemen, as you can tell, this issue is so controversial,

[00:54:33] they'll probably at the end of the day not get very much done.

[00:54:36] I mean, if the three of us are on.

[00:54:38] I mean, George is ready to.

[00:54:40] I don't know what George is going to do.

[00:54:41] All I can tell you is we've all got to think through this because it's coming in a couple of days, right?

[00:54:46] Hang tight.