[00:00:04] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. We've got a Barnburner broadcast today. That's for sure last episode or last half hour. We talked about docile life. Incredible sugar replacement from Natalie from Metta. Doing a great job.
[00:00:31] She's the founder and creator of the product that's available at her website and also at cspoa.org soon. We're going to make that possible. And then you can have great sweet taste in products, and you can also support your constitutional sheriffs and peace officers association as well. cspoa.org to become a member of the posse. Members of the posse are the only people that can watch this show live on Wednesdays. And then, of course, we have the webinar straight after. And the good news is we didn't know Sheriff Mack would be back, but he is back.
[00:01:01] So, Sheriff Mack, welcome, sir. Thanks, Sam. It's great to be back with you. I thought maybe you were trying to leave the big boy behind today. Oh, no. I thought you were still gone. But we've got Brent Johnson with us, too. Welcome, Brent. Say hi to you, good chef. Hello, Richard. It's a pleasure to see you. I did not expect – I thought you were out there just having a good time and relaxing. And it's great to see you. It's good to see you. Good to see you, too. Yeah, we spent a lot of good time with the grandkids,
[00:01:29] and we had a great time, and it's great to be back. And we got back a couple of days ago, and so back to work it is. Oh, boy. The Democrat Murderer of America, ladies and gentlemen. Murderofamerica.com, the website for that incredible new latest book for the good sheriff. Do you got a quote for the book for us? Yeah. Okay, well, I'm showing the book there. There it is, all in its glory. The Democrat jackass stabbing the Statue of Liberty in the back.
[00:01:59] We really need to get that out, Brent. So send the link to all your contacts about this great book. It's – well, we've got two weeks and six days until the midterms. And the book was designed to have an impact on the midterms to expose what the Democrats have been trying to do to make America communist again, which it never was. So how could we do that?
[00:02:25] Make America communist forever. Yeah. So that's what they've been trying to do. And really, it fulfills the prophecy and threat from Nikita Khrushchev back in the early 1960s when he said that we would never have to invade the United States. We will destroy you from within. And as you well know, that's exactly what's happening. Brent? Yeah, no.
[00:02:54] You know, absolutely true. Absolutely true. And, you know, the Marxists out there are certainly out there to destroy America. There is an old saying. I don't remember who originally said it. But, okay, if you take – if you promote taking from Peter and giving to Paul, you will always have the support of Paul.
[00:03:24] And that's exactly what's going on out here. We're going to give you free this. We're going to give you free that. We're going to give you free everything, which in turn goes into that thing we talked about earlier, the love of money. Okay. And so, you know, people – I want to get everything for free. I don't want to have to work. I don't want to have to do things. I just want to have it given to me. Well, there are a lot of people who will support that.
[00:03:50] Now, fortunately, there are some of us – Richard, Sam, myself, Natalie, and many others – who value working, who value doing things to make our lives and our country better rather than just sitting back, okay, and letting them take from Peter and give to Paul. And so here's the deal, Brent and Sheriff Mack.
[00:04:18] You know, when we say, you know, it's Rob Peter to pay Paul. And so I want to throw Paul in prison because he's a criminal. And I want to reward Peter. And one of the ways we reward Peter is we make sure that he doesn't get robbed. And the way we do that is we protect God-given inalienable or unalienable rights, and we make sure that Peter can't get robbed. And the way you do that is through peer trust organizations, ladies and gentlemen. You know what? A common law peer trust organization, it's outside of statutory jurisdiction.
[00:04:48] That's a big, big key. Help people understand, Brent. Give them kind of a summary of this because I really think when we think about robbing Peter to pay Paul, hey, you've got to make sure that you're Peter and that you're protected, right? Well, and, you know, it's a very good point. You know, everybody who works for government, whether appointed or elected, is a criminal. Now, I mean that literally because people who work for government are trained to find ways to get around the Constitution. Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
[00:05:15] So the people who work for government are trained to break the law. So that means they're criminals. The character of a criminal is that a criminal seeks to take what's yours and make it theirs. That's what a criminal does. Excuse me. And the idea is that this is a universal principle. Ownership equals liability. Owner of property is always liable for damage caused by that property.
[00:05:43] It doesn't matter if it's you, a trust, a corporation. The principle is universal. So a pure trust, OK, takes away your liability, OK, takes and protects property for your benefit. OK, but you no longer carry the liability. You get to use the property, but you don't carry the liability of it.
[00:06:06] And so the criminals in government who seek to take what's yours and make it theirs actually leave you alone because you have nothing they can take. Me personally, I own nothing. Everything is in trust. OK, I own absolutely nothing. So I have no liabilities. So let's say the IRS is coming after you for something. You got your house in a pure trust. They can't go after the house because it's not yours.
[00:06:36] It belongs to the trust. But you get to live there. If the house is sold, you get the proceeds. OK, you got a business. You put your business in trust. You get to run the day to day operations of the business, but you don't carry the liability of it. The IRS comes knocking. Hey, buddy, I just worked here. You're going to have to talk to the owner. That's what a pure trust does.
[00:07:00] It provides you privacy and it reduces or even eliminates your personal liability. And as a result, the government has nothing they can take. The criminals in government have nothing they can take from you. So they leave you alone. They go on to somebody else they can go after. And that's the nature of a pure trust. Now, these have been around in America since the very beginning.
[00:07:26] Patrick Henry created the first one in 1790 called the North American Land Company. And it was actually in existence in some form until the 1990s. And so we've had pure trust forever. The Supreme Court has ruled consistently for 250 years that a pure trust is outside of statutory control. The government cannot regulate it, cannot tax it, cannot control it,
[00:07:55] and cannot change the rules that govern these types of trusts. I've been doing these trusts for almost 35 years, and we have a 100% track record. We've had attacks from the IRS, one from the DOD, attacks from individuals trying to pierce the trust veil. Nobody has been successful. None at all. So I always tell people the first step towards freedom, towards sovereignty,
[00:08:25] is to protect your property rights. Because if you protect your property rights, then the evildoers, the criminals in government, the IRS, whomever, there's nothing they can do to you. All they can do is send you paper. But there's nothing they can do to you if you protected your property rights. If you haven't done that and they want to go after you, all they do is threaten to take your property.
[00:08:52] A pure trust makes that impossible. And so I always recommend using these for your assets, your home, okay, your land, your vehicles, your business, equipment, whatever else. Anything you have, any assets. A lot of people I know have put cryptos and precious metals into pure trusts. Okay. Pretty much anything that you have to be put into these trusts.
[00:09:22] And the wealthiest people in the world know this and have already done this. You're just not supposed to know about it. You're supposed to go to your certified accountant or your tax attorney to give you advice. What about a bank account? Well, that's an interesting question. A pure trust is a common law entity because of that, it does not have an EIN. So it cannot get banking.
[00:09:50] What I recommend for people, and I have numerous trust clients who do this. If you have assets in a pure trust and those assets generate revenue, you got to figure out where you're going to put some money. Since the trust itself does not get banking because it doesn't have an EIN, what do you do with the money? And this is what I recommend. I recommend setting up, and we call it a stealth LLC. It's a term my producer came up with.
[00:10:19] It's not an official term. But it is a South Dakota single-member LLC. An LLC is a type of corporation owned by its members. If an LLC has two or more members, it is treated by the IRS as a corporate partnership. And there are tons of regulations around it. But a single-member LLC is treated by the IRS and government as a disregarded entity. That's their term.
[00:10:49] There are actual federal forms that say type of entity. And one of the checkboxes says disregarded entity. And that means that the LLC has no reporting requirements, no returns it needs to file. It's the easiest thing in the world to use. So you set up one of these LLCs. The LLC has an EIN. Now, the reason for South Dakota is South Dakota state law does not require the identity of the owner,
[00:11:17] member, or manager to be in the public record. So, in effect, you own this LLC. You control this LLC. But nobody knows it. If you look up your LLC in the South Dakota Secretary of State's website, you won't find your name. You won't find your social security number. It's just not there because state law doesn't require it. So, now you have this LLC. Nobody knows you control it.
[00:11:46] You set up a bank account with the LLC's EIN. The trust that owns, let's say, your business. Okay. The business is owned by the trust. The business generates revenue, hopefully. Okay. Where do you put the money? The trust hires the LLC by contract as a financial management agent. The LLC opens up a bank account using its EIN.
[00:12:14] You are the signatory in the account. You control those funds. And the LLC now receives the money from the business held in trust or whatever asset generates revenues. From the service agent, if you will. Exactly. Agent being the operative work. So, the LLC now receives money that comes into the business held in trust. Any expenses associated with that business are paid out of the LLC.
[00:12:44] You control the day-to-day operations of the money. And as a result, the trust can own the property, carry the liability for it outside of statutory jurisdiction. But you can deal with the banking through a statutory entity, an LLC. But it's done in such a way.
[00:13:06] If you manage the agent well, ladies and gentlemen, meaning when money comes in, you take it and put it, move it around, and you use the agent for what its purpose is, which is to conduct transactions on your behalf. Then there's really, really limited, limited, limited liability at that juncture. That's correct. And very, very little exposure. There's also, as a perk of that, once you have set up that LLC, you can use it for other things. For example, I've had people who have set up a bank account.
[00:13:36] You can set up multiple accounts with the LLC. I have people who set up a bank account. They go into their personal bank account. They take money out of their personal bank account and loan it to the LLC. Now, if one day, let's say somebody is coming after, let's say the IRS decides you owe it a million dollars. They can't go after the money in the LLC. And you have very little in your account. This is what the wealthy do.
[00:14:05] I remember an old interview with a Rockefeller. And in that interview, I don't remember which Rockefeller it was, but in that interview, the Rockefeller actually admitted that in his personal bank account, he had about $400. That's a Rockefeller. There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Poor as a church mouse. He is, don't you know? We're talking to Brent Johnson, everyone. And he is director and founder of Freedom Bound International.
[00:14:34] It's a common law service center teaching people how to live free, as our founders did. He's also a well-known talk show host, Voice of Freedom, and his website, freedomradio.us. That's freedomradio.us. Sheriff? Yeah, I've known Brent for a long time, probably 30 years or more. Hey, he's surviving. And it looks like he's proof of the pudding that it works.
[00:15:03] So I got to give me one of those, Brent. We've talked about that a few times, but I really need to get a trust. And I don't think it would be a really good idea, Richard. I really do. Not because I'm trying to sell you a trust, but because it really, really does make a difference, that's a major difference. This is what protects property and property rights. And you're not supposed to know that. Okay?
[00:15:32] You know, for those of you who may remember, 1969, Senator Ted Kennedy, Chappaquiddick Ridge, Mary Jo Kopechny. Does that ring a bell with people? What's that got to do with a trust? You'll see. Hold on. Listen up. Yeah. Yeah. Kennedy was drunk as a skunk. He literally drove off the bridge into the water. Mary Jo died.
[00:15:59] Kennedy was caught on video stumbling left and right. The whole world knew that he was responsible. Mary Jo's parents sued for the wrongful death of their daughter. The insurance company lawyers came and said, we'll give you $30,000. If you don't take it, you will get nothing. Ted Kennedy owned nothing. Ted Kennedy owned nothing.
[00:16:23] Ted Kennedy at the time had in the public record something called a notice of civil death, meaning it's a public notice that proves that you cannot own anything. So, Mary Jo's parents could have sued. They would have won. They would have gotten a huge damage award. And they never would have been able to collect on it because Ted Kennedy owned nothing. That's what a trust. That's what a trust or series of trust does for you.
[00:16:53] It eliminates your liability or at least reduces it to a bare minimum so that those who are evildoers cannot come and take what's yours. And that's how it relates to this discussion. And that's why I always tell people the first thing you do if you want your freedom is deal with your property rights. All right. I want to throw something out that's going to be a fly in the ointment a little bit, but I think it's important.
[00:17:22] So we're discussing pure trust organizations, ladies and gentlemen, and the key is they're outside of statutory law. The Supreme Courts have highlighted this reality time and time again. So that's indisputable. But there's a lot of people that have set up these trusts and their trusts have been breached, Brent. And I think it's because of mistakes that the trust fiduciary people set up, how they do it and everything else. They don't do it right. They make mistakes. And those mistakes come back to bite them in the derriere. Do you want to respond to that?
[00:17:53] Absolutely. As a consultant, I reviewed over 500 trusts to see if they pass muster under common law. And in those reviews, I only found one single trust that did. By the way, it used to be sold in Hawaii by a man named Pono. I don't know if he's still alive. I don't know if he's still doing trust. But in almost every case, I found numerous problems.
[00:18:21] Sometimes the trust indenture was just written poorly. But in most cases, the trust did not protect its common law character. The reason a pure trust is effective is because when you put property into it, you give up legal control of the property to the trust. You retain practical control. You get to live there. You get to run the business. But you don't have legal control.
[00:18:50] And this is where people did not understand. They would go out. They would actually give legal control back to you through a contract. That compromises the trust. It turns it into a statutorily regulated entity. Sometimes these people would go out and get EINs for the trust. The EIN is the property of the corporate government.
[00:19:15] And what we've done is we've found our way back into breaching the peer trust status is what we've done in that. Some people have commenting now in the comments. They're saying, hey, sometimes criminals use these to avoid responsibility as well. Absolutely. And this is very, very important. You have to behave honorably if you're going to use a trust. Never, ever engage in fraud. I tell people, you know, nobody goes to jail for not paying a tax. You go to jail for committing fraud.
[00:19:44] That's what gets people. People want to do something to get something that they shouldn't be doing or getting. Okay. Just behave properly. Be honorable. Be truthful. Be just. And this type of trust will provide you salute protection. Like I say, I've been doing it 35 years. A 100% tracker record. We have had the IRS attack these. We have had the DOD.
[00:20:13] We have had individuals who wanted to pierce the trust veil. Hire lawyers to go after it. Nobody succeeded. Nobody succeeded. Because I understand the principle of legal control. I've studied it. And so I am in a good position to be able to protect that trust and that trust's integrity and the assets that are held in that trust. That's the answer to your question on that. Sheriff? Why would the DOD get involved?
[00:20:43] What's it got to do with the Department of Defense? I do not know. It happened one time. We got a report that our website was actually being attacked by the DOD. Our website providers are in one of the two places in the country that the routing does not go through the United States. And so they defeated the DOD.
[00:21:12] They actually stopped them. Okay? They wouldn't let them get access to the website or go after the trust or any of that stuff. But I do not know the answer to that question, Richard. Wow. Well, okay. Because, yeah, that surprised me about all of that. But usually it's like, don't they throw spaghetti to see what sticks, Sheriff? Yeah, of course. Yeah. But that's really what worries me about the communist takeover in Washington, D.C.
[00:21:41] If the Democrats get their way and they want to get everything free, what makes any of us believe that they'll leave us alone just because we have a trust when they want to come in and take our land and property and places? You know, I don't trust the criminals. In other words, criminals don't obey laws, Brent. Exactly. They don't care for the problem. They don't care for the trust. No, no.
[00:22:08] But the point is that when you put assets into this type of trust, they become effectively invisible to the statutory world. Okay? The trust is a private contract. You can't go do a Google search and look it up. Okay? It's actually very difficult to go after one of these trusts. Yeah, because with no banking, there's no reporting of assets, right? That's the reality. That's correct.
[00:22:35] So what you're doing is you're essentially making your assets invisible to the statutory world. The criminals in government, the Marxists, whoever, they go after what they can see, what they can find. What's in a pure trust is effectively invisible. And so nobody knows you own this. Nobody knows you have any kind of beneficial interest in this trust. Nobody knows that the assets are owned by this trust. Nobody knows it unless you tell them.
[00:23:05] Privacy is the number one reason for creating these trusts. And I'm a big believer in if you don't have privacy, you don't have liberty. Oh, of course. Absolutely. All right. Natalie Fermenta said, and I think she's right on this, her message centers on rejecting conventional answers, folks. Making informed personal choices. And that's what these pure trusts are all about as well. To learn more, folks, you can get a hold of Brent Johnson.
[00:23:34] He's host of the Voice of Freedom, well-known talk show. Freedomradio.us is where you learn more about that. Freedomradio.us, folks. And let me give out the phone number, if I may. So you sent it. 888-385-3733. 888-385-3.
[00:23:57] And the book, the book on which all of this is based is The American Sovereign, How to Live Free from Government Regulation. Give us a call. We'd love to talk to you. Thank you so much, Sam. You betcha. For Brent Johnson, ladies and gentlemen, Sam Bushman, and of course, the good sheriff, Sheriff Richard Mack, president and founder of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, become a member of the Posse today, cspoa.org. And the webinar starts in mere seconds, so everyone stay tuned for that.
[00:24:26] If you're not a member, become a member, and then you can be part of the webinars every Wednesday as well, cspoa.org. I'm Sam Bushman, ladies and gentlemen. God save our constitutional republic.