[00:00:04] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. They took out our dear friend Thomas Massey and they did it with huge, out of the area money, ladies and gentlemen. That's not a one-off, that's happening all over the country. I'm Sam Bushman, I've got Kurt Cosby with me, localhoneyman.com.
[00:00:32] I've got Lew Moore with me, lewmoore.com. And we're going to have our guest introduced in just a second with an incredible story. But Lew, you're a dear friend, you came to me with this incredible story and I went, wow, we got to tell it publicly. So why don't you start the story and give the introduction, introduce our guest. Welcome, sir. Thank you. Sure, Sam. So I'm a senior. Seniors get a lot of mail because political mail is effective with seniors.
[00:01:00] I get two mailers for Aaron's opponent, Aaron Davidson, our fantastic Utah County Clerk and Election Integrity Advocate. We need a whole lot more of him all over the country. But I'm getting these mailers and they say they're from Resolute Republic PAC.
[00:01:19] So I look up Resolute Republic PAC on Grok and find out that for the last 990 filings that are on record, these people are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Arabella Partners, from the Arnolds down in Texas, from the Sarah Longworth Network. Sam, this is left wing money and it's not coming from Utah. And, you know, the whole the whole game here and I and I've been doing some more research all over the country.
[00:01:49] They're running candidates and they're saying we're running a more professional candidate. We want you to have a more professional steward over your elections. You know, there's no detail that this got this complete pablum in these mailers. But what they're doing is setting up now a whole series of mailers and there'll be attacks, personal attacks, I predict.
[00:02:10] Sorry, Aaron. And this is all coming from other parts of the country working with our corrupt establishment in Utah that does not want to see this state get a secure election system. All right. Let's dig in right now to that. Aaron Davidson is with us. He's the elected clerk of Utah County, Utah, Utah County government, first elected in 2022, currently serving.
[00:02:39] But now he's running again. And now the challenge is on as Lou, a citizen and a very savvy political leader in his own right. Aaron's office is responsible for conducting county, state and federal elections within Utah County. They do a lot of different stuff. And now they're wanting to see Aaron go away. So they're starting to put big money into trying to take Aaron out.
[00:03:09] Aaron, are you aware of all this stuff and what's happening in your world? Yeah, no, I'm aware of it. So I kind of had some a little tiff with one of the state legislators here. And he actually tried. He said, I'm going to get you out. So he tried to find somebody to run against me. They got one person now and that person wasn't going to work out. So they found somebody the last day to file for office. And they put a lot of money behind him. They went out and got signatures to get him on the ballot.
[00:03:40] They so they put probably $100,000 into the race already. And this Resolute Republic. How much money did you say? I would say at least $100,000. $100,000 for a county clerk position, people. Yeah, no one will know until seven days before the primary when the financial disclosures have to be released. And when's that coming up? Yeah, that's coming up. So we'll know exactly. When is that coming up? What's that?
[00:04:08] Oh, the primary is June 23rd. All right. So it's coming up quickly is my point, ladies and gentlemen. You got to vote and they're trying to use big money to take him out, Kurt. Well, that's the way things work, Sam, in the world of politics these days. But the grassroots, the ones that are well-informed seem to be participating a little bit more like the Paxton Cornyn thing in Texas shows us that.
[00:04:37] But I've seen a lot of big signs for our guests. Yeah, by the way, that Paxton Cornyn thing they say was like $100 million, not $100,000, $100 million. That's right. And it took $32-plus million to get Massey out, Kurt. Yeah, there's money involved, Sam, in those things. So, Aaron, what are you doing and how is the media handling this? And are you going to be having debates? I mean, what goes on to defend yourself here?
[00:05:06] Are you just going to have to live with whatever you get and they can just bury you? Or what's happening? Well, there was a debate for the convention. So the delegates went. And, you know, it was unanimous that I had won that debate. And then at convention, he actually got booed, but still was able to drum up 42% of the vote. I got 58, he got 42. And you had to have 60 to not continue, right? Yeah, I missed it by 12 votes. Yeah, we have an SB 152.
[00:05:35] That's how they do it over there, you know. Yeah, there was a bill that went through that modified the privacy status of voters. And I had to deal with the fallout of that and wasn't able to campaign very much. But he's, yeah, they put a lot of money into him. Lou, what do we do about this? I mean, you've got more experience than any of us around the table here. What do we do about this kind of stuff, sir? Well, we need to get the word out.
[00:06:02] And, you know, Kurt brought up the Cornyn race. You know, the grassroots, when they figure it out, there's trouble for the establishment. We're seeing this more and more because the grassroots are getting more informed and they're getting to be a larger element in elections. And we just need to get the word out about Aaron, about his record, but particularly about this corrupt left wing.
[00:06:28] And I don't mind saying Marxist money that's behind this resolute republic pact. Now, I haven't seen their recent filings, but I'm sure they just didn't turn over a new leaf and become a conservative Republican group. Even if you go on their website, they got the Constitution. They got flags all over. But they are targeting Republican areas. And they're targeting Republican areas to elect elected officials that will play ball with the establishment.
[00:06:58] Amen. Aaron, do you think the bail-in ballots are the problem? No, not necessarily. You know, I don't actually even mind mailing out the ballots so people have it in their home and can fill them out. I just wish that they had to bring them in and show ID in order to cast that ballot. I think that would be... I really like one day voting. I don't like people voting early because if I've already voted and then I see a debate with you or hear you on the radio or something else or TV,
[00:07:27] and then I decide I want to vote for you, but I voted for somebody else, it's kind of too late, even though the election hasn't really... Anyway, so the early voting to me is an issue. Second problem is the ballots. I have a problem with the custody of those ballots. If we mail out ballots to everybody, how do we know people don't vote early? Vote often. If you're illegal, your vote counts twice. How do we know those things aren't happening? And so there's a lot of custody and concerns with it. Why not one day voting with paper ballots? I mean, why not just go to that and satisfy the concerns of all the mishaps?
[00:07:57] You know, I think there's a lot of security in that process. And, you know, life has gotten a lot more complex for a lot of people. A lot of people work out of state and they're only home on the weekends. That would be hard for them. And there's still the absentee ballot. Even though we do mail-in ballot, there's still an absentee process. Yeah, and I'm fine if somebody says, hey, I'm going to be gone. I'm in the military. I've got some legitimate reason and I'm going to request a ballot. That's different than ballots just floating around everywhere with no custody to those ballots, right? Yeah.
[00:08:28] And I think that there's ways to come in and show your ID in more innovative ways that are... So that would be mail-out ballots but not mail-in ballots is what you're saying? Yes. Okay. Interesting. Kurt? Well, you know, one of the main things that concerns me, Aaron, and so many others is the fact that, you know, computers are so involved.
[00:08:54] In the days that I remember of, quote, secure elections, there were two devices, a piece of paper and a pencil. You know, and those are some pretty secure devices in my opinion. Yeah, comparatively so for sure. I want to be an SOB, everybody. I want to be the guy with a stack of ballots. What do you think of that, Kurt? I'm the guy with the stack of ballots and I can just fill them all out and turn them in and I'm an SOB. There's a lot of those guys around, Sam.
[00:09:22] They call them mules in the old days. Oh, good point. 2,000 plus mules. Anyway, very interesting. Lou, what do you think of this though? What do you think of Aaron's idea that says, hey, you know what? I don't mind the ballots going out. It's, you've got to, you know, provide ID and verification when you put that ballot in the box. Until then, it doesn't really matter. I can see that point. What do you say, Lou? Well, I certainly agree with him. I mean, I don't think anybody should be able to vote without a photo ID period.
[00:09:48] Now, I'm not saying, as was said, the people in the military, there's people have reason that they cannot show up on a certain date at the polls. That by far my preference is one day voting at the polls, but there's reasons why. And we've always had absentee ballots. That's fine, but let's make sure there's photo ID involved. So I like his idea very much. If we had the photo ID too, we could take, you know, video of the ballot being cast or whatever else as well. And it could be on video.
[00:10:17] So you'd, you know, make sure people don't come vote twice or bring in a different idea or whatever else you could, you know, kind of roll back. What about that, Aaron? You know, there are some, they're coming out with some very high tech drop boxes that could do that. They're very costly right now. I just like the voting by paper because it's very, very inexpensive. You know, you can go to the, you can go to the $75 store and get a stack of little notes. You could vote on for almost nothing. All right. Hang tight. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Davidson with us. He's the Utah County clerk.
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[00:12:35] All right, Liberty Roundtable Live, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Sam Bushman. I've got Lou Moore with me. Hour of Decision is his weekend show. Check that out, ladies and gentlemen. Also got Kurt Crosby with me. Localhoneyman.com, his website. We've got Aaron Davidson with us as well. He's a county clerk for Utah County, Utah currently. He's been so since 22 and he wants to stay in office. He's running now, but big money's coming in to try to take him out.
[00:12:59] And I really wish Donald would endorse all the way to the county level because then, of course, he'd win 100% if that was the case. So we really need to stand up for our people, ladies and gentlemen. Those are the people that believe in honesty and integrity. And anyway, Aaron Davidson is one of them. And he was making the point about these ballots and elections. And I was saying, hey, if we're going to have some of these ballots turned in with an ID, we'd put it on video. You were saying there's some ballot box technology now that can do a lot of that. Aaron? Yeah, there's some ballot box technology.
[00:13:29] But they're, you know, like I said, they're very expensive. And I think they have to be indoors. I could be mistaken on that. I haven't looked at it too much. I've just kind of seen ads come through. So I'm kind of wondering, you know, I've got my AI version. It's called Sam.ai. And so can Sam.ai just go vote for me? Can I just send my bot over there? Yeah, that might be difficult. Shoot. But there's other technology.
[00:13:52] We have a marriage portal where people can get married online and they have to prove their identity before they can do it. And so there's identity that could be happening in voting where, you know, you appear online. You've got your on each ballot. There's an ID number associated with the ballot envelope. They could appear online and show that ballot ID, show that they're a real person, show their ID.
[00:14:18] And, you know, we could approve it so that when we receive it, we know that that person cast that ballot. So there's technology out there. But it's hard to get legislators to listen to it and to look at it and to think about it. But one of the big things that I've been running on in the last election is citizenship verification. So, you know, there's the SAVE Act. If it were passed, we would have to verify citizenship status.
[00:14:46] But HB 209, this last legislative session, made that available to us in Utah, where we now have the ability to use the SAVE program, which is the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements program, which is run by the Immigration Customs and Immigration Services, where we can now verify citizenship status of all our voters without having to go to them and say, prove it you're a citizen.
[00:15:12] We can just use their program and verify the large majority of the citizens. Because I have found non-citizens registered to vote, and some of them have voted. Wait a minute. That can't be. That's not true. Aaron, come on now. Well, the last time we found someone voting was in 2020. So that was before my time in office. Okay. But we have found them, and it has been happening.
[00:15:38] And we talked to the county attorney's office, and they said, well, statute of limitations wouldn't allow us to prosecute those, but they're no longer registered. So it's not going to happen again for that individual. They cheated last time. But so isn't it fraud, though, if you vote when you're not? Yes, it is. So is there statute of limitations on fraud? There is. There is. Wow. I thought the statute of the budget on fraud.
[00:16:03] So, you know, I talked to the county attorney's office, not the actual attorney, but his lawyers under him. And, you know, they have a budget that they have to keep within. They have to decide what they're going to prosecute. And it's just they're now, since some of them are now citizens, they just happen to have voted before they became citizens. I see. Yeah. So they're on a short spinning leash over there, ladies and gentlemen, just like government officials. Yeah. So that's good news.
[00:16:29] So let's talk about what you think is the biggest problem in America, Aaron, and then what you believe the most important thing for county clerks to focus on right now across the country. The biggest problem in elections or in general elections, whatever you want. I think the biggest problem is the divisiveness. I mean, no one will talk to anybody and cognitive dissonance is very strong where I'll talk to anybody anywhere, anytime, my friend. Yeah.
[00:16:55] You can tell somebody the facts, give them the facts, and it just makes them stronger in their own beliefs. Yeah. They just won't listen. In elections, I think it's just transparency. And I ran on transparency, and I think there's a thing called cast vote records, which is a record of every ballot. Not who voted it, but what was cast on the ballot.
[00:17:23] And that's now available in Utah because of HB 263 last year. And I really pushed for that. There are a lot of people that did not want that cast vote record published, but it's publishable now. Thank heavens. Good work. We need more of that. I agree. Division is one of the biggest problems we face in America today. That's why my book's coming out, A Clarion Call for Civility. CallForCivility.com to check out the website.
[00:17:49] We also interviewed a gentleman a couple of days ago by the name of Wilk Wilkinson, and he's with a group called Braver Angels. And I don't know if you've seen BraverAngels.org, but it's a tremendous group. You ought to learn more about it. They're having an incredible convention coming up in Philadelphia at the end of the month we're going to be attending. It's going to be incredible. So we'll keep an eye on that ball as well. What do you think about the Tina Peters thing? I mean, she copied the data, thought she was doing what was right.
[00:18:16] And then they basically said, oh, no, it's not even about the truth on the voting machines or else. It's just about, hey, you didn't do what you were supposed to when you're going to jail. I think she was a political prisoner. What do you say? I think she was a target to drive a point home. She never should have gone to jail. She was trying to be honest and faithful in her position, and they just caught her on trumped up charges.
[00:18:43] She never should have gone to jail, and I'm glad that she's out. But man, to spend that much time in jail under those circumstances was just wrong. Amen. Kurt? Well, I wanted to ask along that line, thank you for your comments about Tina Peters. I couldn't agree more. But are you familiar with the documentary by a friend of ours named David K. Clements? The documentary is called Let My People Go.
[00:19:13] Have you seen that, Aaron? I haven't. What was it? It's called Let My People Go, and it's a documentary on YouTube by David K. Clements. He's a... Oh, yeah. Anyway, I hope you'd find it really useful. To me, it's very eye-opening.
[00:19:38] And, you know, you mentioned this idea that you can't seem to have, what, civil commentary between people. They just... You mentioned the facts in there, like, well, it just strengthens their view. I remember talking with a neighbor of mine one time, and he... I think I sent him the link to this documentary I was just telling you about.
[00:20:02] And he said, well, you know, I started watching it, but I could see where it was going to go, so I didn't continue. And I just thought, man, you know, I'm supposed to make sure to watch everything you send me or, you know, investigate everything. Yeah, you need to get educated, Kurt. Yeah, that's right. But if I send something to my buddy, then he's like, well, I can't really watch that, you know. I mean, it's...
[00:20:28] Well, it might change my mind or make me uncomfortable with my position is the problem, Lou. Yeah. Yeah, well, eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. That's a general statement, but it applies to every facet of our society, including our election system. And we were told a few years ago, no, no, you can't question any of this.
[00:20:48] I was in a meeting with Aaron's predecessor, a public meeting, where he was saying the worst thing in the world would be for people to see these cast vote records and how that would be such a terrible thing. We can't allow that. And, you know, they were really trying to shove this kind of stuff down our throats where, you know, we need... We totally need transparency. And that's why I support Aaron, because he supports transparency and things like this HB 263.
[00:21:15] So, you know, but yes, we need to always keep our elected officials on their toes. And we certainly need to watch what goes on in our election system. Amen. So, Aaron, what are they claiming that the problem with you is? In other words, why do they think they want to replace you? What is their reasoning? What do they claim? Oh, they claim that I've just made mistakes while I've been in office. I see. And everybody makes mistakes now and then.
[00:21:43] And they take the small mistake that's made, and they make it in this big mountain, but they don't consider all the good that happened. Like one of the things is I stopped paying return postage on return ballots if they go through the mail. I did that to influence people to use our drop boxes rather than putting it through the U.S. Postal Service. And I increased our drop box usage from 62% to 87%.
[00:22:09] So 25% of the electorate moved to using the drop box. And I saved the county $110,000, but they say, oh, you're suppressing the voters. They should be able to use whatever method they want to. Suppressing the voters. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. I would say mailing out a gazillion ballots suppresses the voters because what you do is when you cheapen the ballot like that and I get like 10 ballots in my house and there's only two of us that can vote. I'm not living here. Then I kind of go, oh, man, these things aren't even, I mean, this doesn't even matter, does it? I can.
[00:22:38] It cheapens the vote view in my humble opinion, Aaron. What do you say to that? Yeah. And last year there was a new bill that was run, HB 300, that we added the four digits of your, either your social security or driver license number. And if there was four digits and they matched and there was a signature, not your signature, a signature, we had to count that ballot. Even if it's a Bugs Bunny? Yeah.
[00:23:05] We recorded 780 ballots that came through where the signature was like, no way, that's not their signature. But the four. No vote fraud. Yeah. And so it was basically legalized fraud. And so I kind of showed that to the legislators and they go, oops. And so they had passed a new bill, HB 194, or SB 194 this last legislative session. And now it's gone back to the signature verification and the four digits have to match. All right.
[00:23:34] This time you get the final word. Lou Moore, ladies and gentlemen, you got a quick final wrap up for us? No, but that's fantastic what Aaron just brought to us. This is the kind of leadership we need and the kind of common sense we need. I mean, if you're going to have mail in ballots that you have to sign, let's make sure the person who is supposed to have the ballot is the one who signed it. Amen to that. Aaron Davidson, thank you so much, sir. Our prayers are that you get elected and big money doesn't take you out, brother. Okay.
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