[00:00:04] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. I'm Sam Bushman. Dr. Scott Bradley is with me. freedomsrisingsun.com, his website to preserve the nation, his goal and collegiate series to match. Also, he usually does the weekly webinars every Thursday night, 7 p.m. Mountain Time.
[00:00:31] And if you want a ticket to ride, go to freedomsrisingsun.com, get your ticket. And after the fact, it'll be available on Rumble and BitChute and all kinds of places. Check it out. Look for Freedom's Call for that. Now, last night he was not able to do his webinar. And so that's kind of an interesting twist. Rare when he doesn't do it, but he didn't. And so I decided that what I would do is I'd create my own. So today on the broadcast for this half hour, we're going to be doing the equivalent of the webinar.
[00:01:01] So to speak. Right. And then we'll make sure that Dr. Bradley gets the video and then he can break it up and do what he wants with it or whatever. And hopefully that'll be beneficial and fill in the gap on that. So I did a presentation for Liberty United, dear friends of ours, Jake Oaks and company. And I'm on their board and love what they do. But anyway, I did this feature and I called it America Must Learn How to End War Responsibly.
[00:01:28] OK, we need to make sure that we're the ones that never start war in the first place. That's one thing. But the American people must demand leaders who know not only how to wage war if it's really necessary, but they need to know how to end it. And so I talked about Ron Paul always speaks out and says, hey, we walk right in. We can just walk right out. That's one way to end it. I think that's fine. I understand. And I think there's a lot of truth to his point. Otherwise, we never end wars.
[00:01:54] But it's also the kind of situation where we can't just walk out sometimes because we've left things in a worse state than we found them in the beginning when we started the war, got involved in the war. Ezra Taft Benson, former secretary of agriculture, highlighted this idea. Hey, we can't just crash the plane. We've got to do our very best to safely land it. And there's logic to those reasons as well. But I kind of maintain the key is to go to Congress and say, Congress, you have been derelict in your duty.
[00:02:23] It's up to you. And you didn't, you know, discuss this and stop Trump when you could have. And now we're in a war and you've failed over and over and over to raid him in. But what you really need to do is you need to tie funding to reality. You need to say, here's your framework, President Trump. We're going to go in. We're going to discuss our objectives. We're going to accomplish our objectives. And we're going to get out. And we're not going to go in until we have a plan to get out. And we're not going to go in until we have definable objectives, strategic solutions on the table.
[00:02:53] Okay? America must avoid the two dangerous extremes. Reckless abandonment and endless war. One crashes the plane. The other refuses to land the plane. But you know what? We require something harder, folks. We need to define our objectives honestly. Congress is responsible for that. We need to maintain constitutional accountability. That's vital as well. Protecting American lives. Pursuing peace. And bringing conflicts to responsible conclusions. Congress needs to do that.
[00:03:23] That's their job. And if they do it, let's get it done. It would also put hobbles on Trump a little bit. But it would also then give the American people confidence that, hey, we know why we're there. What we're accomplishing. It goes on and on. And then we need to get out. Or we'll have endless war that will never end. Right? And so the question for Dr. Bradley is, that's my thought of how we get out of the war. Congress needs to take that responsibility. That's what they've been delegated to do. If they don't do it, we ought to fire all of them in midterms.
[00:03:53] If they do it, good for them. But that's really what the American people need to absolutely demand that they do. Congress must reclaim their constitutional authority. The Constitution gives Congress control over war funding. Congress should stop writing blank checks with no clear mission and no defined end. Every war authorization or even, you know, less than war, meaning market reprisal, et cetera,
[00:04:20] et cetera, should include specific objectives, measurable benchmarks, reporting requirements, timelines, exit conditions, and so on. Okay? We've got to define what victory looks like before we fund another penny. Anyway, that's my demand. That's my question. The question is, again, how does America get out of the war? America must learn to get out of war responsibly, doctor.
[00:04:47] Well, all of the things you're talking about are way too logical for application in the national government. I mean, to think that nobody thought about these issues, I mean, it's absolutely asinine. To think that, you know, Hexeth and Rubio and Trump and, I mean, all of the war hawks, everybody. It's like, what?
[00:05:13] You got to this point and you never thought about these things, which apparently they haven't. And so, yeah, you bring out some very magnificent and what are well established, soundly founded principles that must be found, must absolutely be followed. All working power is delegated to the Congress. And we can talk at length about what that is. I mean, if you look at, I've just got my little constitution in front of me.
[00:05:43] We got this idea about defining and punish piracies and felonies, offenses against the law of nations, declaring war, letters of mark and reprisal, rules for capture on land and water, raising and supporting armies, providing for the Navy, making rules for the government, regulation of the land and naval forces, calling forth of the militia, suppressing insurrections and rebellions, organizing the militia. It goes on and on.
[00:06:08] There is not a presidential authority delegated whatsoever in the Constitution. And if you read the 69th Federalist Paper, which everybody should have read, and I don't know why the executive branch, they don't read it because they don't want to know it. It clearly states that the executive is only the first admiral or general once Congress has taken us to war. Now, you say, oh, my goodness, there's these clear and present danger things. Yeah, you're right.
[00:06:37] None of which existed. We created those clear and present dangers as we went into this war with Iran. Every single situation that we've done with these, whether it's in Bosnia or Southeast Asia or Somalia, I don't care where we're going to war. We have not met the standard. And so the whole idea of do I want to support the troops? Absolutely.
[00:07:01] We support the troops by only using them in constitutionally authorized just wars. And the Founding Fathers established that whole prospect of how we were going to do that. I look at the Chesapeake Fair. It's kind of a classic case study on how things should happen. That happened back in the Jefferson administration. There was a clear act of war by a British warship against an American ship. Everybody wanted to run off to war.
[00:07:32] Jefferson did it right. He gathered the information. He took defensive postures to prevent any further offense. And then when Congress got back in their seats, he said, here is the information. You guys have got to decide what to do. And it was done in a deliberative process that prevented us going into what would have been a disastrous war at that time. And I'm not so sure that the war we're in right now is not more disastrous.
[00:07:59] You know, Joshua in the last half hour talked about it. I think that it's a clear, in spite of the fact that the administration is constantly touting the victory, I don't even think the victory is as clear as they say in a military stance. I think that we have been damaged in ways that will be maybe never repaired. I think the hinge point we're on in this war right now will change the international,
[00:08:29] certainly throughout the Middle East and the Far East, probably generationally. It will change the elections in the United States in this upcoming election. We have stupidly stepped in every single pile that we could step in all the way along the thing. So, yeah, Sam, we've got to figure out a way to only go into war constitutionally and for just causes.
[00:08:54] And this idea we walk in, we walk out or whatever, we wrest the controls from the people's hands and we don't crash the plane, whatever. We've got to have a smarter approach to things. And we just have not had that. We have felt like we're the big bad bully on the street and we can do whatever we want. Everybody's going to come bowing and scraping to us.
[00:09:18] And what we saw in China, literally, I think we were the second class nation that came on bended knee to another nation. And that other nation realizes that it has the upper hand. So, yeah, I agree with you. We should find a way to get out of them. Look at the disaster we had. In Afghanistan. I mean, it's kind of like, okay, we're gone. No, there's got to be an extraction program.
[00:09:46] But going in there in the first place was a huge mistake. And no question. Nobody's learned that. As I look at this, what's the answer? The only answer that I can see is that we, the people, need to put enough pressure on Congress to demand accountability and to create this framework and do their job. And Congress is key. If they don't, there's no other option constitutionally, is there? Well, I agree. Congress, I mean, I'd look, for example, our delegation from Utah. Both of us are in Utah.
[00:10:14] This broadcast is going far and wide, and I don't know who's going to hear it. But they need to look at their own delegation. We have not got a delegation in Utah that has approached this in a constitutional manner. Now, I personally believe that the funding for their campaigns has tainted their view on this thing. But that's, you know, something you, the voter, is going to have to decide.
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[00:12:35] All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen, Sam Bushman, Dr. Scott Bradley. So I don't know what to say, except for the only real constitutional answer that I see, unless I'm overlooking something, is we, the people, need to absolutely realize that we've delegated this authority to Congress. Not to the President, not to some bureaucrat, to Congress. And they're simply derelict in their duty, 100%. I mean, they voted over and over and over and over and over and over to not rein in Trump.
[00:13:04] That's all they voted on, not rein him in, leave him alone. And they voted over and over and over to fund him until they hilt. So what they've really done is they've basically ruined the balance of power between Congress and the President. They've given the President carte blanche to do whatever he wants while they literally go on vacation, while they walk in church mice and walk out rich as could be, et cetera, et cetera. And I don't mean to be so hard on them. People are going to really attack me for this. But I don't see any other way. There is no other constitutional answer than this. And if they don't do it, we need to find somebody who will.
[00:13:32] And if we don't rein this in at some point, the President will just end up being a king. And Congress will just be basically paid stooges to get rich on our dime. They each make 200 grand a year, not to mention all their other benefits and everything else. And we fly them back and forth and provide them staffs and make them rock stars and all this kind of stuff. And I don't see any other real option constitutionally than that. Do you, doctor? No, you're right on, Sam. I'm not arguing with you. I'm agreeing with you. But here's the deal.
[00:14:02] Caligula, I think it was, was the guy that wanted to appoint his horse to the Senate. I mean, I'll have to go back and look at my history on this a little bit. I hate to even say anything, but it's kind of a real-time kind of response that we're giving here like this. Trump is not a Caesar. Trump never was intended to be. I don't care who it is, whether it's Truman or it's FDR or it's Teddy Roosevelt or it's Lincoln. This is not the way the Republic was established.
[00:14:31] And I think right now, I'm going to play a little bit on the words of the horse being appointed to the Senate. We have a bunch of horses' asses that are sitting on their asses in the Congress. They are the key. We cannot allow an executive to become a monarch and become the complete Caesar that he's becoming. Now, this might sound harsh, as you said. You'll be criticized. I'll be criticized more for saying this.
[00:15:00] The problem is that we have empty suits in Congress, largely. Very, the vast majority of them. And every single one of them has greater loyalty to the party or their donors than they do to the principal they take an oath to. And you're right. We must get constitutionally sound people back in office or we're toast. We're at a hinge point in this republic. Well, we're about to hit a midterm, Dr. Bradley.
[00:15:28] And if the American people don't listen to me now and elect good, honest, wise people to Congress, House and Senate, we're in serious trouble. The Democrats are going to absolutely take over. Now, the Republicans have literally failed because they haven't. I mean, Trump's really tried to do a lot of good things. Now, I'm not telling you Trump's awesome. I'm just telling you he's tried. Congress has literally fought him tooth and nail behind the scenes at every turn. OK, we could literally have tariffs that were stable and appropriate.
[00:15:57] But no, Congress just does nothing. And Trump does it on his own. Then him and the courts just seesaw back and forth and battle it out while the ne'er-do-wells just sit idly by and go on vacation. So as far as I can tell, though, we're in trouble. The Democrats take over midterms. Then what? President Trump's just super lame duck for the next, what, two years? A little over about two years or whatever. Then you and I, I mean, we're going to be attacked relentlessly.
[00:16:25] They're going to literally go after us and try to jail us, deplatform us. Who knows what they'll try to do to us? That's really a reality, doctor. Well, it is surely a reality. We live, as they say, I think it's an old Irish curse or blessing or whatever. May you live in interesting times. We absolutely live in interesting times. I do not believe the international dynamic has improved at all since Trump started this war a couple, two and a half months ago.
[00:16:55] I believe that the domestic side of things is more challenging. And all we get is this pablum they keep feeding. Oh, yeah, yeah. I watched a news. It wasn't really a press release. He was talking outside as he was getting on the aircraft. It was absolutely a clown show. I mean, he had four or five talking points. He kept repeating.
[00:17:22] And the realities are not, they're either not settling on them or they're trying to spin doctorate until, I mean, the American people, like, I don't, I think we were off the air when I talked to you about a conversation I had day before yesterday with a service writer at a mechanic shop. That I was in for some repairs.
[00:17:48] The American people, this guy's a, you know, you hate to sound derogatory, but this guy's a gearhead. I mean, he's a grease monkey and he goes in and fixes engines. And he had a more intelligent conversation about the dynamics of the economy right now than I've heard anything from anybody in the administration in recent history. I mean, we get platitudes and we get glad handed.
[00:18:15] And people that ask hard questions get looked at by Trump and he says, you're a stupid person. Do you know you're really stupid? And your organization, oh, yeah, they're stupid too. It's an ad hominem attack that has no, it's when you don't have an argument, you resort to ad hominem attacks. It's amazing. I don't even know where to go with this except to say that I think we're in real trouble.
[00:18:42] And I'm fearful that we're going to be in World War III and we're not going to be able to get out of it. I mean, look, even if we were to back off from Iran, China has basically declared this war, as Josh Phillip wisely pointed out, saying, hey, it's not just a war based on guns and bullets and ammo and whatever. It's a war about the economy. It's a war about who controls free speech. It's a war about and we're losing that war every six ways from Sunday.
[00:19:08] And if Congress then decides that they're going to be Democrats in charge and the Democrats then decide to go after you and me, I mean, it's going to get to the point where Trump wants to put people in jail because they don't agree with this war. And they report what he considers to be an alternative narrative, which he'll say will be fake news. And the Democrats want to take us out because they believe that whatever, pretty soon everybody wants to destroy our free speech and destroy our ability to speed up or to speak out and speak boldly and clearly.
[00:19:37] And so I just I don't see that we've got a very bright future right now, not because we can't. If we turn to God. If we turn to family, if we turn to the country, I believe we could really bring this thing back. But the nation's immoral. And our system's not designed for an immoral people. And we love war and we're not going back anytime soon. And so I almost think we're just going to expand into perpetual war.
[00:20:04] And, you know, there's going to be fighting in the streets. There's going to be destruction around the world. Everything is just going to continue to escalate like you haven't ever seen before. Am I crazy on this? Well, it's a crazy time. But but you're reporting something that Washington talked about in his farewell address. He said real patriots become odious. And it's interesting to me. Let's just take Mark Kelly, the Democrat senator from Arizona.
[00:20:33] I mean, here's a you know, he's a naval captain, which is an O6, the same as a bird colonel. I mean, I don't know why they can't have the same ranks, but they do have their traditions. But at any rate, he's a senior officer, a lot of responsibility in his life, was an astronaut. I mean, you guys look up Mark Kelly if you want to look at him. But he's a Democrat.
[00:20:54] And the the Secretary of War is going after him, trying to take away his retirement, put him in jail if he can, court-martial him, and actually now calling out for for violating some kind of classified information things. When all he's doing is repeating, and I've been saying this for months, so I didn't have access to the classified information. All I can do is look and see and think.
[00:21:26] But Hegseth told him, we're shooting off all our best ammunition. We're getting short on it. He mentioned that again, says it's a concern. Now he's trying to get him hung for classified information. I've looked at his statements and Hegseth's statements, and they're basically word for word the same. Hegseth violated classified stuff. But here's the point.
[00:21:50] He is a target because he's telling a narrative that is not popular with the administration. And so what do they do? You're hitting the nail on the head, Sam. They go after the people that are truth-tellers. Do you realize how much money is put into de-seeding Thomas Massey? We're going to find out here, what, June 6th, what happens there? At millions, tens of millions maybe. I mean, at least 10 million, and maybe it'll be up to 20 million.
[00:22:18] But the point of the matter is Thomas Massey is saying the truth. Now here's the deal. It's not the only deal. There's a whole bunch of deals going on in this thing. But it will be just like Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz said he was going to represent Israel in the Senate. Now here we have a Cuban born in Canada that is now representing Israel in the United States Senate.
[00:22:47] And so here we have a whole bunch of bought and paid for narratives that are being promoted far and beyond what their oath of office was, is, and should always be. And here, Donald Trump, he had a legacy going. He was doing some amazing things until he stepped in this pile and everything else has unraveled. He is going to lose his quote-unquote legacy.
[00:23:15] And it's something that we could see coming. Again, Caligula wanted to put his horse in the Senate. And that's what the president wants in the Senate is these know-nothing, do-nothing, be-nothing legislators that have read the 51st Federalist Paper for crying out loud again. They have a constitutional responsibility to push back, and they have the power to do so.
[00:23:43] Anyway, I'm on a high horse again. I'm sorry. Well, I think the best answer for us is just to head for the hills, doctor. No, nope. We stay and we keep the fight. We do the fight. We've got to do the—but I'm here to tell you, it's going to get bumpy. And I'm fearful that whether Republicans or Democrats are in there, their hand has been tipped. They are not. The good doctor says no bunkers, folks. You've got to stand with the republic.
[00:24:12] You've got to stand tall for the sacred cause of liberty, and you've got to do it by peacefully teaching the principles that are God, family, and country. King Jesus is the only king we'll accept, ladies and gentlemen. freedomsrisingsun.com, libertyroundtable.com, YouTube, Twitter, X, whatever. We're everywhere, baby. Spread the word. Share the love. For Dr. Scott Bradley, I'm Sam Bushman. I just—when I say we need to head for the hills, I want you to know that's not the answer. I agree with a good doctor.
[00:24:39] Let's stand tall for the sacred cause of liberty. God save the republic of the United States of America.