Episode 96 Hour of Decision: Eisenhower (5) Ike vs. Joe McCarthy, Pt. 1

Speaker 0: Look around you. Wrong rules the land while waiting justice sleeps. I saw in the congress and crossing the country, campaigning with Ron Paul. Tyranny rising, unspeakable evil, manifesting, devils lying about our heritage who want to enslave and replace us. But we are Americans with a manifest destiny to bring the new Jerusalem of endless possibilities. But first, this fight for freedom. Be a part of it. But don't delay because this is the Hour of Decision. Hour of Decision with Lou Moore starts now. Welcome to the ninety sixth episode of Hour of Decision. My name is Lou Moore. And today, we're gonna continue our series on Dwight David Eisenhower. This is the fifth episode of the Eisenhower series. And today, we are gonna talk about his titanic battle with Joe McCarthy. So Eisenhower, as we said, was a gatekeeper trying to hold back popular sentiment around the country that, showed some evidence of being there, by the fact that, there was large support for Robert Taft, a America first candidate for president of The United States, greatly worrying our corporate master. So Eisenhower's task was to keep any backsliding from occurring in terms of the Fabian big government project at home and a continuation overseas of the world government project, the internationalist project. And in the pursuit of doing that, there were some, episodes, some trends, some figures that Eisenhower had to derail to protect those two elements of the Fabian project. We talked about, his effort to, derail and to defeat the Bricker Amendment, which it would have protected the constitution from unconstitutional and many times secret side agreements, as well as protecting the constitution from judges, citing the UN Charter or things like that in making their rulings instead of basing their rulings on the constitution. Ike defeated that. He also defeated the efforts thwarted the efforts of the Reece Committee, which was looking directly over the target folks at our corporate masters and their tax free foundations, the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and, of course, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, an organization that have happened to have a fellow by the name of Dwight Eisenhower on the board while they had a communist, an identified communist who went to prison. Alger Hiss, as the president of that foundation with John Foster Dulles, Eisenhower's, sidekick and his foreign policy guru was the chairman of the port. So, that was derailed for some obvious reasons. The, Bricker amendment was derailed, but the biggest challenge of the what I call the three major America first efforts that were thwarted by Eisenhower. The biggest challenge to Eisenhower came not in an initiative, not in a committee, not in a, constitutional amendment, but in the form of a personality by the name of Joseph r McCarthy. Joe McCarthy was a force of nature, ladies and gentlemen, and it goes to show you. When we look at populism, there were a a number of people running around The United States before the election of two thousand sixteen who were talking about America first. They were kind of voices in the wilderness, people like Pat Buchanan. That's the principle when I'm thinking of, but who were worried about our manufacturers, who were worried about our border, who were worried about our blood and treasure being sucked up into endless wars that did not advantage the people of The United States. But no one who voiced those opinions had the populist charisma, had the center of gravity around them to be impactful in the way that Donald Trump was impactful. And he was hugely impactful once the mainstream, once the public really got a picture of where he was coming from. And that happened in the election campaign in 2016, which he won. He won the primary and then the general election. So it makes all the difference in the world, particularly with a populist message. It makes a difference who the messenger is because the whole purpose of populism, the whole necessity for success in populism is to galvanize the masses. So you need somebody that doesn't just know the issues. You don't need somebody that just has a good resume. You don't need somebody that just has money to spend. Those issues has money, has a good resume, has connections. You need to have somebody who can galvanize the masses, and that's that's a kind of a in indeterminate quality. I mean, there's no one way to do that. There's no one way to pick, in advance who can do that. But Donald Trump definitely had that ability, and the person who had the most ability that way, I would argue you might say Ronald Reagan, but I don't know how much you really could call Ronald Reagan a populist. He had some populist tendencies. Anyway, I don't wanna split hairs here, and, Reagan certainly, had some of those elements. But without doubt, the the prior individual in American history that to an nth degree had that ability to galvanize at least a segment of the masses. And, of course, Trump is only galvanizing a segment of the masses. He rarely gets over 50% in, opinion polls. But the person before Trump that had that ability without any doubt was Joseph r McCarthy. McCarthy was a senator from Wisconsin. He was one of these people elected as a veteran, as a combat veteran after World War two, and he was elected into that Republican Congress I talk about all the time of 1946. A congress initiated several investigations of communists that that one of them resulted in the conviction of Alger Hiss at the behest of Richard Nixon and the House of Un American Activities Committee, but there were several committees operating, at that time, but they pretty much were shut down or their efforts were thwarted once the Democrats regained power in 1948. That wasn't completely true because anti communism and the advances of communism was on virtually everyone's mind in the public. Anti communism was tremendously popular, which is why the Democrats had to go to such lengths to to even turn people who had been very, very friendly with communists, like Eleanor Roosevelt, like a number of the people who were in the New Deal, they had to reinvent themselves as cold war liberals, starting the Americans for Democratic action. They had to reinvent Harry Truman to a degree because all these they were up to their eyeballs with communism both with the alliance with Joseph Stalin, which had occur which occurred, in World War two and actually, of course, occurred earlier. Roosevelt was one of the first major world figures to, recognize the Soviet Union after, leaders in our country refused to recognize the bloodthirsty Bolsheviks. Roosevelt, as one of his first acts as president in 1933, recognized the Bolshevik regime. And then his administration became loaded up with their followers and with a few agents, of Russia as well of the Soviet Union, as they described it at that time as well. Then we went into a full alliance in World War two. But after World War two, after what became obvious to the public was out there that we had fought this war and the only real victors were the communist, who now had all of Eastern Europe that were threatening every capital in Western Europe with communist parties that we had supported, in the underground during World War two, the French resistance, mostly communist. Anyway, I won't go down I won't go through all that, but their advances were incredible. And then in Asia, if anything, even more so. And by 1949, of course, Mao Zedong announces that China is now completely under control of the communist, half of Korea, under control of the communist, an insurrection in Vietnam, an insurrection in The Philippines, the hawks, all over Asia. Communism is exploding. And so that that's the immediate aftermath of World War two, not to mention the fact that the Russians also announced in 1949 that they had the bomb. And a fact that in no small part happened because of the number of communist traders who were at Los Alamos with Robert Oppenheimer who himself had been a communist and had been under communist discipline. And there's a lot of evidence of that, and he was heading the whole operation there. So the public was apoplectic about communism. And, starting in 1947, there were a number of these congressional committees, but as I said, they bogged down. They bogged down with the presidential election of forty eight, and then the Republicans were deposed. Dewey was a weak candidate and lost to Truman. Truman regain, retained, not regained, retained the White House and, and was pushing Democrats to shut these investigations down. And, of course, the Republicans now and, the minority and the opposing party, not picking committee chairs, etcetera. So, anyway, that was a backdrop to, the big speech that Joe McCarthy made in Wheeling, West Virginia in February 1950 as a backbencher, as somebody who wasn't on any of these investigative committees, as somebody who was just in their first term, and I believe the youngest member of the senate, I think that was true, in 1950. McCarthy comes out at a fairly obscure meeting. I mean, this is a woman's club, a republican's woman's club in West Virginia, in Wheeling, West Virginia, not in New York City, not in Washington DC, not in Chicago. But he comes out and makes this accusation that despite Truman's statements about forming loyalty boards and all the statements he made about fighting communism in the government that he had to make because of this outrage in the public, despite this fact, his administration is still full of communist. And McCarthy's naming not names in this speech, but numbers. Numbers that he says he has, from authoritative sources, and it just explodes. He goes on to Reno, Nevada and then Salt Lake City, Utah, continuing making these allegations and the Democrats suddenly are playing massive defense and are apoplectic. And this is the beginning of the senatorial campaign, February 1950, for the nineteen fifty elections, And, they're very worried the Republicans will recapture, the senate as a result of this and maybe the house. And that that then these committees will really fire up again. And so that's the beginning of Joe McCarthy. And so he, and, and where he got his basic information, most of it, for this speech was from a list called the Lee List that was developed in this congress, that, was in session from '47 to 1949, the Republican Congress, and was vetted by four different committees of that congress as being accurate. And then there were a few other names that McCarthy added because already, just any word that somebody was really gonna take on this fight. Once again, People started feeding him names. And, possibly people well, I think it was a it's a known fact that the FBI started feeding him names. And remember, folks, you know, this is not just these committees and, you know, politicians and, you know, the there's been all this dragging j Edgar Hoover through the mud and dragging the house un American activities through the mud and how many movies have we seen about the red scare and all these kind of things. The fact was, folks, the FBI had the goods by the mid nineteen forties. Several reports, detailed reports, naming names, you know, using mail stops as they called them, you know, scanning people's mail, wiretapping, following these people around the meetings. They had the goods, and we also know now that they definitely did had the have the goods because, it was revealed in the nineteen nineties that the army army intelligence had this program called VENONA, where they had, decoded the Soviet codes, the Soviet intelligence codes, and they were able to start determining which individuals in our government were communicating directly with the GRU, the military intelligence of the Soviet Union, of the AGPU, their their, secret police, and, with the KGB or what became known as the KGB, the intelligence arm of the Soviet Union. And so that was a whole second witness to the fact that this phenomena of massive infiltration of our government under Franklin Roosevelt, under Harry s Truman, was going on. And, and then a third witness was that brief period of time when Boris Yeltsin became the, president of Russia after the Soviet Union, was, dismantled or I won't get into that. There's a lot of phoniness about what happened there at that time, but there was a year that before Putin took power, after Gorbachev, when Yeltsin, fellow who kinda like vodka among other things, when Yeltsin was the, president where they opened up the archives. And for, a little more than a year, American scholars were able to look at their information and and provide yet another witness to the fact that we had a massive infiltration of communist, communist ages, communist fellow travelers, communist sympathizers in our government, helping not only to steal our secrets like our atomic secrets, but providing, policy policy suggestions, agents of influence, the most dangerous kind where you have an enemy, but that enemy is whispering in the ear of your leaders and steering them in a way to ultimately advance them and to defeat you. And that's what we had with Alger Hiss, with Harry Dexter White in the treasury department, with Locke and Curry in the White House, and, not to mention, people like Robert Oppenheimer running our atomic program. So it was a terrible situation. And the press was not, you know, the establishment, they love the communist as much as they could, but, the the news media, the newspapers primarily we're talking about, was not completely controlled by one source. There were many independent newspapers in small towns, medium sized towns, and even in a few large towns like Chicago, with the Chicago Tribune, like the LA Times at that time in Los Angeles, and the the Washington Star in Washington DC. There there were papers that were putting this information out, and so it was getting out to the public. But nobody was willing to stand up. They watched what happened to Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon went to the wall to convict Alger Hiss in 1948, from the house his perch at the house committee on un American activities, and he was never forgiven for that, folks. He was never forgiven. And if anybody sucked up to the establishment at different times in his career, it was absolutely Richard Nixon. But I told you, I hated him. And, he he, even though he made him his vice president. But, people saw the treatment that even back then, Richard Nixon was getting as popular as this issue was. And so you had all these members of congress just like they are now. Oh, we love Trump. Boy, we love Trump. But they don't really love Trump, and they're scared to really take a stand themselves. It was the same thing back then. Then it was, oh, we are so anti communist. We wanna get these communist. And there were sincere members of the house and the senate, but there really wasn't anybody stepping up to lead the fight. And it was kind of a leaderless, rudderless fight after the, Congress turned back over to the Democrats in '49 until Joe McCarthy stood up at that woman's club in Wheeling, West Virginia. So that's the beginning of McCarthy's crusade. And as as I said in the last episode, he wasn't an investigator. He wasn't digging up things through investigation. He didn't have jurisdiction. Only as a member of the US senate and all members of the US senate have jurisdiction over oversight of our government, over tax dollars, over foreign policy. So he was within his rights and certainly within his legal rights to be asking questions about these communists that had not seemed to have left the government, as, as Truman assured us, they did to the degree he even admitted any of them were ever there. And, of course, he defended Alger Hiss. Let's not forget this, folks. Truman defended Alger Hiss. He defended Harry Dexter White. He defended Locke and Kerr. He defended all these principal communists. He was terrible. He had the personnel records of these people in the White House in the, during the Congress from '40 1947 to 1949, so they couldn't get at these personnel records. Truman was terrible. He was not a true anti communist. Do not believe the lies that you were told about this. Anyway, so we're now in 1950, and and and McCarthy starting to make a name for himself. And, of course, the investigations begin immediately, not of communism. Not as they said in the Miller tidings in the senate, the senate, committee chair that started the first McCarthy investigation. He said it was to investigate McCarthy's charges, but it was to investigate him. And McCarthy was hounded, hounded, hounded just like Donald Trump's been hounded until they finally got him in 1954 during the administration of Dwight Eisenhower. So McCarthy is no fool. And people said, oh, he's just a bull in the China closet. He he's so reckless. He doesn't know what he's doing. All these things were false, folks. He had a very good political sense. He just knew some things had to be done regardless of the personal or political consequences to save our country. And he also had enough political acumen to know that Dwight David Eisenhower, rumors were spreading even as early as the time that he gave this speech in 1950, that Eisenhower was gonna run for president, and he's gonna oppose Robert Taft. And as popular as Eisenhower was, McCarthy I think I'll just kinda take a pass on this situation. So McCarthy did not weigh in. He was not right at the ramparts with Robert Taft in this election in 1952, and McCarthy made it a very obvious point not to attack the white David Eisenhower even though, as we've talked about in earlier episodes, Eisenhower was right in the middle of the foreign policy decisions that were so pro pro Soviet Union. He was actually the one that executed much of the Yalta treaty that gave so many concessions to Stalin. It was Eisenhower who became best friends with the head of the Russian military. It was Eisenhower that was rounding up the enemies of the Soviet Union all through Europe and forcing them onto railcars and sending them back to the Soviet Union. And, yeah, I mean and he was at the he was our he was the head of the joint chiefs of staff when we had the China policy that allowed China to go communist. When his best friend, General Marshall bragged that he disarmed 39 divisions of the nationalist army, Chiang Kai shek's army, allowing the communist to win. And, that his friend, Philip Jessup, his co, board member at the Carnegie Endowment, and a, professor at Columbia when Ike was the president of Columbia University, when Jessup, wrote the white paper saying that we need to work, the state department official white paper on China saying that we needed to work with those, communist reformers and that Chiang Kai shek was a big corrupt guy that we should have nothing to do with. Eisenhower's fingerprints are all over the place. His guilt by association is all over the place in these areas. And so just the idea of investigating domestic communism, is very nervous to mister Eisenhower just as, investigating the tax free foundations was very nervous to Dwight D. Eisenhower. Much, like, much as the limitations legal limitations on internationalism were not anything he wanted to entertain. So we're gonna continue the story of Dwight David Eisenhower versus Joseph McCarthy right after the news. You're listening to Hour of Decision on Liberty News Radio. Welcome back to Hour of Decision. My name is Lou Moore. We're talking about Dwight David Eisenhower, president of The United States after Harry Truman and before JFK from 1953 to 1961. We're talking about his battle with Joseph r McCarthy, who I have pointed out was a populist leader who had that charisma, who had that indefinite quality beyond knowledge of the issues, beyond intelligence, beyond resources that people need in politics. He had that indefinite quality that galvanized millions, folks, millions of people to the cause of anti communism and millions of people, who were motivated to outrage over the fact that our government continued to harbor communist or, in the case of, what Truman did in many cases, slough a lot of these commies off to the UN or to the tax free foundations, rather than putting them on trial for treason, which is what should have happened. And, you know, the the fact that the public realized the massive effect, not just of, intelligence operations that probably led directly to the Russians getting the atomic bomb in 1949 or having it, fully functional by 1949. But the fact that our policies that our policies, had led to a world that is was now deeply threatened by communism almost everywhere when we had fought and sacrificed a war for democracy to make, the world safe for democracy, for the four freedoms, that Franklin Roosevelt was talking about all the time. That in fact, rather than defeating tyranny, we had empowered a a tyranny of massive implications and consequences in Eastern Europe, in Western Europe to a degree, in Asia, and it's coming in Africa, in the Arab world. It's coming everywhere, at us. And the public was aware that they've been hornswoggled to some degree, if not to a huge degree, by elements in the, administrations of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry s Truman. I'm just gonna interrupt this stirring dialogue briefly to remind you that you can watch this show on Rumble at News for America, the News for America channel on Rumble. You can follow me on x at the Lou Moore, the Lou Moore on x, on Gab at Lou Moore. And, of course, my own website is Lou Moore, lewm,0o,re,.com. And, not to mention libertynewsradio.com. Anyway, so Joe McCarthy elected to the senate in '46, pretty quiet until his speech at William at, Wheeling, excuse me, West Virginia in 1950. And, then it began. The investigations of McCarthy, they end up, folks, investigating every member of his family, aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters, his parents, their financial records, his financial records, all in congressional investigations that were just as deep state orientated, just as tyrannical, just as bad as what we have seen in the last few years against Donald Trump, and you don't hear enough about this. This is a fact, folks, and this is why. Yes. There were Republicans and Democrats at that time who were anti communist and were making statements that were anti communist and made statements of support of Joe McCarthy, but they didn't wanna run point on this project to unearth communist and our government. As I've said in several episodes and in this episode, the, establishment, when they could no longer be pro communist because of the outrage of the public, they became cold war liberals and focused all of our attention overseas and as an excuse to further build international institutions, one of their two goals. Along with building the size of our government and destroying our culture, I might add. But, so the UN was seen as a way to stop communism, believe it or not. The Korean War, which was launched in 1950, was fought under the auspices of the UN. A lot of younger people probably never even heard this before. It's a fact, folks. And, Truman had us fighting under the UN flag and not leading us to victory, by the way, because of his interference in that war, but we won't get into Korea right now. But anyway and then the building of NATO, the building of all these entangling alliances overseas, and not to mention the Marshall Plan, a big welfare plan that empowered Fabian socialist governments all across Western Europe in the guise of fighting communism and keeping them from falling prey to the Russians. So that's where they wanted the action to be. That's where they wanted the so called anti communism to manifest. And then, of course, they also came up with the doctrine of containment. So, oh, by the way, we don't wanna defeat communism overseas. We want all your anti communist focus to be overseas, but we're not planning to defeat communism because they have the bomb. We can't do that. We just want to contain them. We just want to contain communism so they don't swallow any more countries. But, of course, this is a terrible policy, a failed policy because the communism keeps expanding all through the time that this containment was all the rage in both political parties. And so phony all the way through folks, but what they did not want, what they definitely did not want, they would allow a debate on, oh, should we have more ships over in the Atlantic, and how are we gonna handle, this at this at at the UN general, you know, at this UN Security Council? And should we vote like this or that? I mean, you could debate things like that, but you what you they did not want you to do is investigate communism at home because it struck too close to home for too many of them, including Dwight David Eisenhower. And we've started to explore that already. So McCarthy is now willing to take up this cause and to be point man in this cause. He doesn't have a committee. He's he's not, in a congressional investigation type committee. He's just basically throwing bombs and throwing, dynamite, into the public discourse where the public is hungry to get at the truth on these things using information that tons of information that the FBI came up with, principally in the mid nineteen to late nineteen forties, several different reports. And, folks, I'm gonna stop myself right there. If you're watching this show, I'm now displaying a book that Ann Coulter I don't know what you think about Ann Coulter, but she says next to the Bible, this is the most important book that's ever been produced. And I won't go that far, but this is a blockbuster, folks, blacklisted by history. The untold story of senator Joe McCarthy and his fight against America's enemies by M. Stanton Evans. I actually know a couple of folks that helped him do research on the, when this book was being researched. Folks, it has everything. It has all of these FBI reports, the ones that weren't stolen out of the archives that we can't find now that we know existed, but we cannot find record of the details. But there are plenty that we do have record of the details, and I've talked about Winona and other ways to backstop what the FBI did. And, also, I'll say, particularly, there were some investigators at the state department, which was a terrible place full of internationalist and full of communist like Alger Hiss, but there were some investigators, internal security investigators there that for a while really tried to do a pretty good job. And so they also have some reports. They also developed information that buttress this idea that there was this massive infiltration into the government. Anyway, so McCarthy was bringing out this information and the information developed in these committees that hadn't been fully developed. The the not just the testimony of Whitaker Chambers against Alger Hiss that Nixon brought forth, but the, the testimony of Elizabeth Bentley, who was an insider in the communist party who named many names, brought forth much information that the FBI could backstop. McCarthy is bringing this stuff back up. And one of the cases he brings up, folks, one of the worst of the worst was all of the communist intrigue around the Institute of Pacific Relations, which which was kind of a counterpart, had definitely a junior counterpart, but in many ways was a counterpart of the Council on Foreign Relations whose focus primarily was Europe. Institute of Pacific Relations focused on the Far East, and their big focus was getting Mao Zedong into the harness in China. They did nothing but crank out pro Mao anti Chiang Kai shek, the national leader, anti Shang material for years, and they used their power with the interlace that they had with the tax free foundations, principally the Carnegie Foundation, to censor scholars who were pointing out what was actually happening in Asia with communist infiltration. And the chairman of the Institute of Pacific Relations, and this is has everything to do with Eisenhower, folks. The chairman was a man named Philip Jessup. And Philip Jessup was overseeing this agency that had scholars like Owen Lattimore saying that, Mao Zedong was the greatest man that ever lived that had an editor of their magazine, a guy named, Vanderbilt Field, who was an open communist. He's the editor of their magazine called Amerasia, an open communist. And then there was also the spy ring that the FBI busted using wiretaps that centered at the Institute of Pacific Relations where they were stealing documents that they were getting a hold of and getting them to the communist Chinese. And that was shut down by a fix conducted by the Truman administration and a judge. Corrupt as hell. And, it was never adjudicated properly, and McCarthy was reopening this can of words and speaking about it every chance he could get. And a Democrat senator named Pat McCarron, who at this time remember the Republicans haven't taken over the senate yet. This is beat, 1951 to 1953 senate. My, Pat McCarron from Nevada was conducting some hearings on Amorasia. And Philip Jessup is important because as I said earlier in this show, he was serving on the board of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace with Dwight Eisenhower. He was a friend of Eisenhower's, and he was on the faculty at Columbia when Eisenhower is saying that there is no communism going on at Columbia while he is the president of this institution full of communist, an institution that was housing the Frankfurt School. I'm sure you've heard that name, housing the core center of cultural Marxism on the planet. Once they were booted out of National Socialist Germany, they're all Jews. They were, every single one of them, by the way, folks. They were housed at Columbia University. And, so this is all very close to Dwight David Eisenhower. So McCarthy is saying this Philip Jessup, we gotta investigate him, and it was determined that he had, in fact, also belonged to five front organizations identified communist front organizations. He was the author of a white paper that steered the state department, the defense department, the Truman administration away from Chang toward Mao Zedong and was influential in getting general Marshall, another friend of Eisenhower's, to cut off their aid at a critical time military aid and allow the nationalists to be defeated at the hands of the communist. So all this is going on, around Philip Jessup. And McCarthy is attacking Jessup, and Eisenhower doesn't like it. And it's getting a little too close to home. McCarthy then also goes on the floor of the senate, and I've talked about this before. And it's written up in an expanded version in a book, that you can get today. It's called America's Retreat from Victory by Joseph r McCarthy. That's based on a speech, a 60,000 word speech he gave on the floor of the senate about Eisenhower's best friend in the military, George Catlett Marshall, and how Marshall just never seemed to do anything that did not advantage the communist. And McCarthy makes a very famous statement in his speech. If Marshall were merely stupid, the laws of probability would have dictated that at least some of his decisions would have served his country's interest. Even if Marshall had been innocent of guilty intention, how could he have been trusted to guide the defense of this country further? And keep in mind, Marshall was the head of the army during World War two. He was then the secretary of state and then the secretary of defense under Harry Truman. Finishing the quote, we have declined so precipitously in relation to the Soviet Union in the last six years. How much swifter may be our fall into disaster with Marshall's policies continuing to guide us. Boom. McCarthy is exposing the entire leveling project of the internationalist in this speech focused on Marshall, but, again, he doesn't focus. He doesn't focus on Eisenhower, who has everything to do with executing these policies under Marshall as his general in Europe and then later as the head of the mill, head of the joint chiefs of staff. Eisenhower is the head joint chiefs of staff as marshal was secretary of defense. So Ike doesn't like that, and we'll never forget it. Eisenhower hated the fact that he could not attack McCarthy when he was running for election because McCarthy was too popular, when Eisenhower was running for president. So McCarthy's avoiding attacking Eisenhower. Eisenhower's avoiding attacking McCarthy. But then as I said in the last episode, Eisenhower wins, but the Republicans also take control of the house and the senate. And McCarthy becomes the chairman of the oversight committee, have an oversight over the entire federal government. And, now McCarthy can launch investigations, which he does. And his principal, investigation is, his principal investigation is, at that time, an investigation of the army, the army who was led by Dwight David Eisenhower. Do you see what I mean, folks, by the internationalists? Do not want investigations of communists at home because they're too close to problems, which McCarthy immediately finds because he has a general, general Lawton, in the signal corps at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey who said, we got communist all over this place. How did these people get here? You know, he comes in as a general, and he's screaming bloody murder about this and goes to McCarthy and says, you need to investigate this, which they do. But I need to back up a little bit at this time and talk about McCarthy's chief of staff, Roy Cohn. As I said in earlier episodes, McCarthy passed over Robert Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, to be chief of staff because he was afraid of the charge of antisemitism because an overwhelming number of these communist that McCarthy and others exposed were Jews. Straight up, folks. Don't know how to say it. I would like to say it nicer, but that's a fact. So McCarthy was very sensitive to the charge of antisemitism and, of course, getting this hard charging prosecutor that was involved in the case of, frying the Rosenbergs, also Jews, Roy Cohn was. Well, this would be great. He's anti communist. He's Jewish. He's from a very prominent Jewish family, the Marcus family, in New York. They're a banking family, very much in with international jury. So he will, he will use Roy Cohn as his chief of staff. But Roy Cohn is a flaming homosexual. From from everything we can tell, that's a fact. And he immediately brings in this strapping, handsome young man, also Jewish, wealthy. His father is a head of a department store chain in Chicago. This fellow named David Schein. And David Schein is gonna cause nothing but trouble for Joe McCarthy. And, so Schein, becomes he gets put on the staff, and then suddenly Roy Cohn says, I want to go to Europe with David Schein to expose communist literature in all of our reading rooms at the embassies over in Europe, which there was. But this tour that they take together in Europe, little shaky. Little shaky around the edges all the way around. The press is excoriating. Cohn and Schein just for going over and finding communist literature, not for other reasons, but there are whispers. And, you know, it was Katie bar the door. Joe McCarthy was attacking communism domestically. That was a no no. He was already in the crosshairs, and there's already gossip columns and whatnot. McCarthy's a homosexual. McCarthy's a homosexual. This was happening, and so it was also happening, with in connection with, Roy Cohn and David Schein. So after that, David Schein now this is Eisenhower in office, not directly attacking McCarthy just as he didn't directly attack the Reese Committee. He used the Democrats on the committee and fed them information just as he didn't directly attack the Bricker Amendment people. He just asked, Robert Taft, the majority leader at that time, to delay the vote so they could quietly pressure a few senators not to vote for it, which is what they did. But he's also not attacking McCarthy directly. Not yet. But he, anyway, Shine is drafted. He drafts David Shine. David Shine is, like, 23 years old or something, and he's drafted. And so immediately, there begins this drumbeat in the press that Roy Cohn is pressuring the army to give favorable treatment to David Schein, which evidently there was some truth to that, but McCarthy was also, pulled into this, but he was exonerated from giving any, favorable treatment to David Shine. But this is going on at the same time that McCarthy is investigating the signal core of the army. So you get to the army McCarthy hearings. It's not they're not a McCarthy investigation of the army. It is a investigation by the leadership and really by the Eisenhower administration of McCarthy of McCarthy and this situation with Cohn and Schein. And before this, Eisenhower allows an anti Catholic lobbying movement to go on claiming that McCarthy is about ready to hire a staffer who is anti Protestant. Interestingly, this staffer named JB Matthews was in fact a Protestant minister who was also the national expert on communist front organizations, And McCarthy wanted to bring him onto this staff to investigate everything that went on with the communist front organizations of the nineteen thirties. JB Matthews had this expertise, but Matthews wrote this article saying these Protestant ministers, they need to be careful. There may be some communist in there, and, you need to be careful at your Protestant church that your minister is not a communist. But he wasn't attacking Protestantism, but they claimed that he was. And they claimed that McCarthy, a Catholic, was hiring this vicious anti Protestant. And so this is a thing. And Eisenhower just makes one comment. That's not good. It's not good to be attacking our Protestant churches here in America. Yo. He's feeding this thing. And so these are the attacks that Eisenhower is beginning to launch against Joe McCarthy. And we're gonna have to continue this in the next episode, folks, but there's a lot here. And so we are going to do so. My name is Lou Moore, and you were listening to Hour of Decision on Liberty News Radio, and we will talk to you again next week.