Episode 69 Hour of Decision: FDR Pivots to War

Speaker 0: Look around you. Wrong rules the land while waiting justice sleeps. I saw in the congress and crossing the country, campaigning with Ron Paul. Tyranny rising, unspeakable evil, manifesting, devils lying about our heritage who want to enslave and replace us. But we are Americans with a manifest destiny to bring the new Jerusalem of endless possibilities. But first, this fight for freedom. Be a part of it. But don't delay, because this is the Hour of Decision. Speaker 1: Hour of Decision with Lou Moore starts now. Welcome to Hour of Decision. My name is Lou Moore. And this afternoon, we're going to be covering the third part of our extensive series on the presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, FDR. And, we've talked about how mister Roosevelt, much like Rahm Emanuel, was able to take advantage of a crisis, a severe crisis in the country, 22% unemployment, the great depression, bank banks teetering on failure. Roosevelt came in immediately, began taking executive power onto himself, confiscated the gold supply, the supply in private hands in The United States, and attempted two large programs that would have eventually that would have given him complete control over the prices, over the goods that would be offered for sale both in industry and in agriculture. Both of those, measures, the NRA and the triple a, the agricultural, adjustment administration, were both shut down by the Supreme Court, but he was able to smuggle a lot of the regulatory authority that he wanted those agencies to, have to smuggle them into other initiatives of what he called his new deal. We talked about the beginning of Social Security, the beginning of, aid to dependent children, and how that, had a negative effect particularly on the black community in terms of breaking up families, encouraging, dependent children to be dependent on the government, rather than on families, rather than on a traditional husband and wife role. We talked about, the, corruption that can come when socialism arrives at your door. And we talked about the corruption in the New Deal, including the fact that, areas of the country were targeted for more New Deal funding, if the polling looked like that they would become more favorable to president Roosevelt if they got more funding. And funding was taken away from areas that really needed it, like the Deep South, where they were going to vote for Roosevelt no matter what. So they didn't need, to use the largest of the news deal as part of a transaction with the voters to get them to vote for Roosevelt. And so we're gonna jump right into it today and talk about the largest, of the monstrosities, the huge bureaucracies created, created by the New Deal. This was the Works Progress Administration or the WPA, which in fact would become the largest employer in America. I talked about the fact that the unemployment rate really wasn't going down that much during the new deal, but it did go down from 22, 20 three percent in 1933. It got down, to around 13% by 1937. But a lot of that was because of the millions of jobs that the government created that were just make work jobs. Dig a hole, then fill a hole back in, then dig another hole, and then fill that hole back in. Then have a lunch break, do the same in the afternoon, and then punch out in the evening. That was, that's a way oversimplification, but it was kind of the way that new deal programs, some of them were mocked, in the public. But there was a lot of, regardless of what good works folks did on these federal jobs, this was Roosevelt, using tax money to lower unemployment, but really not creating economic sustainable economic growth, in the society. And the evidence of that was is that by later in 1937, unemployment started to rise again. It was almost to 18% by 1938, and this is after five years, folks, Franklin Delano Roosevelt's new deal that was supposed to fix everything and just make everything great in America. So, the largest, employer of this type, though, was the WPA. And the WPA had a, facet of it, an a a arm, a division of it that they called Federal one, which was a series of, of jobs, a series of, areas where people could be employed that were actors, that were involved with radio, involved with the movie industry, involved with doing plays, involved with, all of the arts. And, this area, federally funded, seemed to attract a lot of communists, which was noted by, people in congress, and it it began to be a problematic thing for FDR. The head of the WPA was Harry Hopkins, who kinda migrated, and got a bigger and bigger portfolio as he migrated, through the New Deal, through the, Roosevelt administration. And really by, the late thirties, he was administering all of the relief programs under Roosevelt, was living in the White House and was essentially, like, Edward Mandel House was for Woodrow Wilson. He was essentially, the alter ego of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And Hopkins way out there to the left, and we're gonna talk more about him, in just a minute. So, something else happened right at the beginning of the Roosevelt administration, very significant, very important. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Russians, They were tolerated on the world scene and barely tolerated after the Bolshevik, the bloody Bolshevik revolution, and the big civil war they had with the white Russians, not white in ethnicity, but white just in the color, affiliation, the czarist, Russians. And this went on well into the twenties, bloody war between the reds and the whites over in Russia. And, it didn't stop a lot of our most well connected, most well heeled, most conspiratorial members of our establishment, from doing business with the Russians. Only a lot of, big business types in America were doing business with them. Henry Ford was on that list among others. The Ford company, the Rockefellers big over there. And so there was a lot of contact with Soviet Russia in the twenties, but they were not recognized. They were not given that level of legitimacy of getting diplomatic recognition. They didn't have an embassy. We didn't have an embassy in Moscow. We didn't have a whole bunch of people working in, a Soviet embassy in America who could become spies, which is what they were doing in the other parts of the world where they did get diplomatic recognition. So that was the case up until 1933 till the first year Roosevelt was in office because he recognized the, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, legitimized them. And one thing that's real significant about that, folks, is that's this is just a year after 6,000,000 Ukrainians starved to death, and most historians agree, were deliberately starved to death by the agricultural policies and the political necessities as they saw it of the Bolsheviks. So this holocaust, essentially, that went on in Ukraine just a year before Roosevelt gives this outlaw, renegade, bloodthirsty, conspiratorial government, this Bolshevik government, yeah, before he gives them the legitimacy of diplomatic recognition. But a lot of people in America, I will say, didn't know about the starvation going on in Ukraine and at minimum did not have the whole story because our news media and the top reporters I mean, there were not reporters from all over The United States or all over Western Europe in this area, in The Ukraine, in The Soviet Union, in 1932, but there were a few. And they pretty much had a code of silence about what they knew to be true, about the nature, and the, the, complicity of the Bolsheviks in the deaths of these millions of people. Walter Duranty did an excellent job of covering this up, folks. He was a reporter, a byline reporter for the New York Times. And in fact, you know, the expert supposedly in America on the USSR, not a word from him, not a word of accuracy from him about what was going on over there. So this was just horrific. But just a year later, they get rewarded for that type of behavior by diplomatic recognition in The United States. So there was pressure from big business for this, and, of course, it strengthened the regime very much so. It helped them with the the trade they needed. It helped them with the fact a lot of their people were starving just because of communist policy without the deliberate deliberate manipulation of the food supply. And, so this recognition occurs. So immediately, America gets flooded with, Russian diplomats, many of whom are spies. And the the Soviets had something unique going on in most of the countries in the world and certainly in The United States, and that is they would have a political party in the in the country, and in this case, the CPUSA, the communist party USA, that was supposed to be a political party in the system of that country, in the political system of America in this case, but they're really a party that's loyal to the government of Russia. And they were always an arm of the world communist conspiracy, and all these things have come out. They've denied it over and over again, communist officials, communist politicians in this country. But, I mean, it's a undisputable fact indisputable fact that they were, in such a category. And so, this helped the beginnings of the espionage project, through the embassy and with all the people with diplomatic immunity now running around, they had a big boost because they already had an underground organization, on the ground organized by the Communist Party. So that happened in 1933. And something else that happened in the twenties, even before this happened. The the cycle that I've talked about in earlier, episodes where the left is removed from office. Wilson Wilson, is not replaced by a progressive Democrat. You know, Ike comes in after, there's Truman and Roosevelt. Reagan comes in after there's Jimmy Carter, and really a a long line of big government Republicans and Democrats. So things swing back away from the big government plan, but nothing is rolled back. And the people, who were involved in these programs all run off to the university to teach your children or to teach the children of the people in this time. So this is what happened in the twenties, and socialism is just exploding on campuses all over the country. It was starting to happen, before Wilson won, office in 1913, but it just continued on the campuses. And, so it was a apt, ripe, recruiting ground to get more people to join the communist party, which they did. And, you know, a lot of them were, concerned about capitalism being the cause of World War one, and World War one was a useless war, which it was. And, so, you know, that that was an issue that drove a lot of folks into the communist orbit, into radical socialism. But then then you get the the Great Depression, and then you have a real crisis of capitalism because the economy is collapsing. And so people flooded into the various radical organizations, and more than a few of them flooded into the communist party USA, now hooked up with Russia by, the fact that they have, diplomatic recognition at an embassy. And so then the next piece is you have this Roosevelt government taking over, and they're expanding the government exponentially, and they need a lot of new employees. So you have people coming off college campuses radicalized, some of them in the communist party, some of them hooked up into an espionage apparatus operating through the embassy in Washington DC, and now you have a whole bunch of them going into a a federal administration, into Roosevelt's new deal, the Roosevelt administration. And so, lot of them, folks, a whole lot. And, and people did not have the understanding of communism that that virtually any American has today, and I know we have some Americans that like it, that would like to have it, have have it be our system of government here. But but most people understand today that, like, Stalin was no damn good. Stalin killed a bunch of people. And, you know, they have to the people that are very radical, they have to make excuses for all that. But back in the early nineteen thirties, as I said, the press was not being very forthcoming about what was happening over there in Moscow, what was happening in The Ukraine, what was happening in Germany, a hotbed of communist agitation during this period. And so a lot of a lot of public just didn't know, and they were hearing all this positive stuff from people like Rexford Tugwell and Stuart Chase, two new dealers that I've mentioned in the previous episodes that were just coming back from Russia and saying, boy, this is the most wonderful place on Earth. It's practically a paradise. And all this planning, it's so wonderful. And so a lot of the public just didn't know that this is that this was now a festering, threat, a potentially a mortal threat beginning, in the nineteen thirties to, The United States. So then another thing fits into all of this, which is the, all of these socialist really radical socialist parties, they would argue, no. Mark Karl Marx wanted us to do this, and Lenin said this. No. He didn't say that. Really, Stalin said this. We gotta do this instead of that. And they'd get in very involved, quasi theological arguments with each other over how to conduct the revolution, properly. And, so they tended to be very standoffish from every other group. But what Moscow began encouraging in The United States and other countries right around the same time, in the early thirties where, Roosevelt takes power, where there's a great depression, where there's students, pouring off the campus that are radicalized, and all these things are happening. They they started this tactic of the popular front, which was they would get an organization to free the people of Namibia or, you know, whatever. I mean, whatever cause it was, free the Scotts borough boys, free, you know, the league against war and fascism. We're against war, and we're against fascism. And they wouldn't build themselves. They would not brand themselves as communist. They wouldn't have hammer and sickles all over all of their literature. They they would keep it pretty toned down, and they'd get a letterhead full of people who seem very, legitimate, very, you know, people with a good reputation in the society, judges and former ambassadors, former members of congress, former state legislators, judges of different types. And they would, let, these groups use their name. And so these kind of names would be on the letterhead of these type of organizations, but the people running these organizations would in fact be members of the Communist Party USA or what they call fellow travelers, which were people who were not members of the Communist Party, who could not in any way be connected as members of that institution, but yet they totally believe in it. And they're working directly, working with the leadership of the communist party to achieve their ends. So that was that's a fellow traveler. And so you had people in these Popular Front organizations, and then you had fellow travelers in these organizations. You had communist party members in these organizations. And then, here and there, you would have spies because they would really just be espionage agents under the discipline, and they may be from, Russia. Just the regular kind of spy. And so those things all going on right at the beginning of the Roosevelt, administration. And so, yeah, JB Matthews, who was an expert on the Popular Front movement, a minister who was a communist and then left, left that organization later on, worked with Joe McCarthy. And in the thirties worked with a Democrat congressman named Martin Dies, who was investigating the Popular Fronts. He identified 500 Popular Front organizations with, upwards of 30,000 members, 30,000 or more members. He catalogued individually nearly 30,000 members. He had this appendix to some report, and it's like the longest appendix ever in an official report. It's like 2,000 pages, and he just has thousands and thousands of names of people who have joined these various identified front organizations. And then even the, the attorney general, even under Roosevelt. Roosevelt allowed his attorney general to, identify communist front organizations and officially, describe them, officially designate them as, communist fronts. So, this is all going on in nineteen thirties. Great book, by Eugene Lyons, called the red decade will tell you all about this, popular front phenomena as is part of the overall communist movement as it was part of the ferment that was going on on the radical left during the depression, during the nineteen thirties, during the Roosevelt administration. So, this Popular Front also meant Popular Front strategy meant that not only were communist forming organizations with non communist, they were also pouring in to the Democrat party. Now it would go back and forth on this, and they would run can't run their own candidates in some areas where they had real strength, like New York City as an example. But, nonetheless, a lot of communists or people working hand in glove with the communist, fellow travelers, were pouring into the actual Democrat party. They were pouring into the government, as I said, into the state department, into the treasury department, into department of agriculture, into the defense department, and into this key of agencies of as critical of agencies as they could find weasel their way, into during this time. Speaker 0: I Speaker 1: I I did an earlier show on Walter Reuther, the very famous, labor leader of the, United Auto Workers. And, he was actually in a union fighting with another faction. He was more radical than they were, but he was supporting Roosevelt as a communist while they were supporting some, you know, candidate no one ever heard of as just blowing to some fractional communist group. So we're gonna continue now with all of this, that surrounds the Roosevelt administration right after the news. Welcome back to Hour of Decision. We have been talking about, Franklin Delano Roosevelt's, August presidency, and now we've been wandering into Franklin Delano Roosevelt's relationship with the left, with the communist, both here at home, and we're gonna be talking about his relationship overseas if we get to it today. This has been a long march, folks. I appreciate those who have stuck with me on this. Franklin Roosevelt's administration is so important. It is so important to understand, to be able to teach to others, to explain why this unconstitutional system we have that Donald Trump is now trying to dismantle, why it needs to be dismantled, and what its origins, its rotten fruit origins were. So, anyway so, yeah. So we're we've we've talked about here a little bit about, moves that Russia made, move Roosevelt made recognizing Russia. Russia now blessing the popular front tactics, that have been that are now being used all over the world by communist parties, including the communist Party USA, how students, enthusiastic socialist students came off their campuses and filled a whole lot of government jobs because Franklin Roosevelt is exploding, the size of the government workforce. And so that workforce is now filling up with all kinds of people, but a lot of them socialist and a few of them members of the Communist Party USA. We talked about the WPA, which, folks, was corrupt. I didn't really maybe touch on this enough. You know, how monies were parsed out, particularly at the WPA. So crooked. You are a Republican. Forget about it. Pretty much. I mean, that depended on regional leadership in different parts of the country. They weren't all the same about this. But Hopkins, the head of the WPA, he just had a policy that we don't have any discrimination on the basis of political affiliation. And so if anyone ever complained, if anyone ever said, well, I didn't get a grant or I couldn't get a job or or we couldn't get this contract to work with your monster entity because we're Republicans and you gave all this largest to other Democrats, that that would just go in the round file. Matter of fact, that that they did keep a lot of it. It didn't all go in the round file because, the historian, Amity Shales, talks about looking at tons and tons of these letters that are in the archives, in the federal archives, but nothing was ever done about this kind of thing. And, crooked crooked and then full of communist because Harry Hopkins, as we'll find out as this story continues, definitely operating from the far left side of the spectrum as did might as well mention it here, as did FDR's wife, Eleanor, who was very tight with Hopkins, who was very tight with the whole network of ultra leftists, that habitated, the New Deal precincts around the country. And so, federal one drew a lot of attention. That whole cluster of, cluster of, more of the arts, purveyors of the arts within, the WPA, full of radicals, more than a few communists, and drawing attention. And so, now go back to big picture. As I mentioned, just a few minutes earlier, Roosevelt is not solving the biggest problem of the depression, which is a lack of economic growth and the lack of jobs. He's not solving it. And the the numbers are going down, but now they're coming back up in 1938. Unemployment was going down, but it was still huge. And then it was also the statistics were, obscured by the fact that a lot of the jobs that were created in the New Deal era were government jobs that did not grow the economy. They were just sucking tax dollars, sucking resources out of the system. So, there was getting to be more unease in the political world about this in the Democrat party. Roosevelt had just had it completely his way because he was so dominant in the elections in '32 and, when he was elected in '32, reelected in '36, and then in the congressional elections in '34. He and his new deal candidates around the country were just dominant. But as we're coming into 1938, not so much. And it's getting obvious that the New Deal is not solving all of the problems that Roosevelt promised he would solve, and then there is this other element to it. The fact that there are so many people that seem to be way over there to the left that were involved with a lot of these new deal programs. And so Roosevelt, who was an ardent internationalist and hid it every moment up until the time I'm now referring to, till basically 1938, hid it from the public. He knows he needs to now pivot to foreign policy to maintain, maintain political power because the new deal is not cutting it. The depression's going on, and, he's not he's not solving it. And, and plus there are big things happening in the world, both in Asia and in Europe. Adolf Hitler, National Socialism, moved to, re to re, unite all of the parts of Germany that were broken up after World War one, and then he started moving into a few other areas. And, in, Asia, Japan, had moved on China and was trying to establish themselves as a major imperial power and the dominant power, in Asia. So there is some disquieting things going on overseas, drawing a lot of attention. So there's kind of a pivot here, and, you know, Harry Hopkins is pivoting too. He's starting to become more, living in the White House there, very close to Roosevelt, was the head of WPA, but he's starting to get more involved with the overseas efforts that now are gonna come to center stage with Franklin Roosevelt and, with his, administration. So the public after World War one, World War one was obviously just such a waste. You know, when it was over with, it's like, why did this happen? Why on earth did this happen? And this was really true in Europe. And if you've read All Quiet on the Western Front, you kinda get that sensibility, double dose of it in that book written by a European. But that there was that feeling was pretty strong in this country as well. That's why I said this was the first, first sentiment that, the radical groups were using. You know, people had this sentiment recruiting them to join radical groups, that were against the government, against our whole system, and using the futility of World War one is kind of, case number one as why they should be radical. So, the public, whether they were radicalized or not, were not wanting to get into another war in Europe no matter what, much less Asia. The numbers were, I mean, astronomically in that direction. And plus, once there was some effort and there was some organization going on to get The US more involved overseas, the Council on Foreign Relations types, because they're always for this kind of thing, and they were around back then. The, people who did not want to get involved overseas were starting to organize the America First Committee. And they had some pretty big names like Charles Lindbergh, possibly about the most famous guy in the world who was not a government official, a hero, huge favorables in the public in America, and a number of wealthy people, the owners, Sears Roebuck, the owner of the Chicago Tribune. You know, there are just a lot of folks involved, with this movement, and they came from both the left and the right. So it was a unique movement. They were immediately branded by the internationalists as isolationists because that sounds really bad. Even though they were not wanting to isolate America, they were just trying to keep America from being, tangled up in another war where we didn't have a big, interest, where American national interest were not being served by our participating in the war. So these people would have rallies. They'd get fifty, sixty, 70 thousand people, huge rallies for America First. And, so all during this time, Roosevelt's really on tippy toes, because he wants to get more involved overseas. He wants to particularly come to Britain's aid against National Socialist Germany. He particularly wants to do that, but he does not want to get crossways with the public. And so, he's plotting with Churchill, and they come up first with Cash and Carrie, to get material over there to them, saying that, oh, no. They have to come right up to the dock and they have to pay for these munitions in cash, and then our ships will never never move these things across the water. The Germans will never be attacking any of our ships because they'll be British ships. And, so that was called cash and carry. And, so then this is kind of how things were coming in up to the, presidential election of nineteen forty. And so Roosevelt is not as popular as he used to be. The New Deal is not considered a huge success. We are coming out of the war, coming out of the depression because of all of the armaments that are now being built here for the British, but the public doesn't want to go to war or have anything to do with that. So it's still a very tricky time for, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And so and plus, he's running for a third term. Politicians didn't run for a third term. I've talked about this in several episodes. There was no law against it. It would have been perfectly legal for any of these past politicians to run for a third term, but, they just didn't do it. They generally didn't even run for a second term if they came into office, because of an assassination or something like that. They generally just did the one term, elected you know, got elected to one term, didn't run for a second one if they'd had a third one, in there because of a death of their predecessor. So Roosevelt is breaking this convention. And so things are a little nervous for FDR, but he is the slipperiest guy around. Trust me. And so, despite the fact and particularly in the South, there's more conservative and more than a little nervous about, Roosevelt's entreaties to the black community I talked about in our last episode to increase the number of blacks voting democrat, without doing any legislative, activities or other substantial things to get that support, but he was getting more support from the black. So, a lot of the figures, establishment in the party, nervous nervous and not really happy with FDR. But, but he's gonna run for a third term and a very fortuitous thing happens to him, kinda similar to that election of nineteen twelve I talked about where the Morgan financial interests prop up Teddy Roosevelt to prevent, Taft from winning to get so their candidate, the candidate fully backing a central bank, Woodrow Wilson, would easily, glide into the White House. So what happens in 1940? That was the election of nineteen twelve. In 1940, the Republicans have, two candidates, and one of them is America First all the way. The other is not really, not so much, but more of a recognizable Republican. But suddenly, out of nowhere comes this businessman, who's not really even known as a Republican, who is an ardent internationalist by the name of Wendell Willkie. He has a ton of big business money behind him, and mysteriously people start chanting his name at the convention. We want Willkie. And, like, people say, did he have that much support? Anyhow, he ends up winning the Republican primary in 1940 and then only runs against Roosevelt on the New Deal, which is not really the main issue of the day now. He's all for any kind of, effort, overseas, any kind of effort to help Britain, any kind of effort against, the national socialist in Germany. And, so Willkie is not I mean, two things. One, he's not running a real effective campaign because most of the public wants to hear, wants to know, we're not gonna get into another war, and they're looking for that kind of a candidate. And, and too, you know, the New Deal attack is kinda stale. It's kinda old. And, so because these New Deal programs are receding as Roosevelt gets us begins to get us out of the depression by building munitions and military equipment. So, long and short of it, even though Wilson or, Roosevelt, excuse me, even though Roosevelt had several potential problems there in 1940, running for a third term, new deal didn't work, concern in his base about him, Despite those things, he gets a candidate who doesn't really attack him on the where he's vulnerable and, is not a strong candidate. So, Roosevelt, again, slides into victory, gets another strong victory. Not quite as good as the last two outings, but another strong victory. And so now he's in the White House for four more years. And so now let's get going on getting closer to war because this is what he wants to get America positioned into is to become Britain's ally in particular, against Germany. And so that's when, cash and carry is replaced by lend lease. Now, of course, we don't wanna be taken advantage of by the British, and, of course, we don't wanna get involved with this struggle. That's the other thing. Roosevelt campaigned. He promised at every stop, I will not get your sons in this war overseas. It's exactly what Wilson did, just before he got us into World War one. It's exactly what Lyndon Johnson did before he escalated in Vietnam and puts 500,000 troops in there. He did the same damn thing, folks. In 1964, this is what the Democrats do. That's what they've done historically. So this is what Roosevelt does. So he's still having the tiptoe even though he's won the election, but he moves to lend lease. And then also, you know, he revs up other activities. His private spiring, it's run out of some, penthouse in New York. And then I should also mention he had tolerated the Brits having their spy ring here for the election of nineteen forty and actually interfering in the elections of some of the members of congress who were adamantly against getting into war and supporting Britain, including Hamilton Fish up in New York. The Brits come in, and they're literally interfering with our elections in 1940. So, Roosevelt's also now revving revving up these activities because he wants to take out any voices that might become critical of him moving, toward war. So, the America First movement is growing, but people are getting more nervous about what's happening overseas. And, the other thing I need to mention about the election in 1940 is, Henry Wallace is replaces Roosevelt's Roosevelt's vice presidential vice president, excuse me, John Nance Garner, because Garner runs against him. I didn't mention that. He runs against Roosevelt in '40. He has no chance, but Roosevelt doesn't keep him on the ticket. So, and he's worried because Wilkie puts a big farmer, a famous farmer, mister McNary, Charles McNary, on the Republican ticket. So he ends up putting Henry Wallace, who, yes, is very familiar with agriculture and was, the head of the ill fated, agricultural adjustment administration. But mostly, Henry Wallace, he's half nuts. He's a kind of a new ager, and he is off the Richter scale to the left. But somehow, he gets on the ticket, and, but this will be the last time he's on the ticket, because there is more nervousness behind the scenes with the more conservative wing of the Democrat party, about, Roosevelt. So in 1941, the other thing that happens is is that, Hitler, operation Barbarossa, attacks Russia. So they've been playing hanky panky, the Russians and the Germans. All the communist movements in this country were for peace, and, suddenly, they had to do a one eighty and before war. And, suddenly, all of this whole communist movement in this country that was building up is now they're all wanting to get involved with the war effort or what's coming to be a war effort, and all restrictions against them being involved are stripped away. So, anyway, so the the that attack occurs. And, Joseph p Kennedy, I mentioned this in our earlier broadcast, the Kennedy boys, their their dad. He tells Roosevelt, don't get involved in this war. You know? Let the let the Russians and the Germans shoot this thing out. Let them exhaust each other, and let's, get keep Britain out of this war. Let's keep Western Europe out of this war if possible. But that's the last thing Roosevelt wants. He he wants him and Churchill want to be in this war, to take out, Germany. He wants to keep building those arms and keeping the economy solidifying. But it wasn't just Kennedy that was saying this to him. Herbert Hoover also, felt the same way about it. He said if the British had not departed from their traditional balance of power policy, they would have kept the western democracies out of war at least until the two satans, the two satans being Russia and Germany, were greatly exhausted by warring on each other. So, people of, very political stripes were telling Roosevelt to stay out of this war. And, of course, the public was against it, but Roosevelt was hell bent to be involved, with the war. And, so once the Soviet Union is fighting with Germany, suddenly, they're an ally. Suddenly, they want Lend Lease. And suddenly, there's all these fresh faced young men in the state department and in the treasury department and in the defense department who are all communists who have come up through the ranks are saying, oh, we need to get them aid as soon as we can. We just need to do everything we have to help, Papa Joe or whatever they called him, old Joe. Yeah. What's the name they gave Stalin kind of this endearing name? Like, he's everybody's grandpa, the most murderous dictator in the history of dictators in the history of the world. But, there's plenty of helpers now suddenly emerge, and one of them is Harry Hopkins, who's right there in the White House with Roosevelt. So we're gonna keep talking about this more next week. We're gonna stay right with FDR folks. My name is Lou Moore. You've been listening to the hour of decision on Liberty News Radio. And don't forget, SecureVote.News has the latest election integrity information. Check them out as often as you can. Thank you very much.