The hubbub around a picture of Tucker Carlson, MTG, Joe Kent, and Thomas Massie prompted Lew to go over the history of the “two party system” as well as some history about major and minor “Third Parties.”
Lew then pivots to Trump’s betrayal of the America First base he had built into an electoral majority and the prospects of (and problems with) building a 3rd party around many of the principles Trump ran on.
00:00:00 --> 00:00:02 - Look around you.
00:00:03 --> 00:00:06 - Wrong rules the land while waiting justice sleeps.
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00:00:45 --> 00:00:48 - Hour of Decision with Lou Moore starts now.
00:00:48 --> 00:00:51 - Welcome to the one hundred and twenty ninth
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00:00:53 --> 00:00:55 - My name is Lou Moore. And today, folks,
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00:00:57 --> 00:01:00 - explore third party fever. Are you feeling it?
00:01:00 --> 00:01:02 - Are you feeling it there with Tucker Carlson?
00:01:03 --> 00:01:06 - You feeling it with Thomas Massey, Joe Kent,
00:01:07 --> 00:01:10 - Marjorie Taylor Greene sitting around the table there,
00:01:11 --> 00:01:12 - scheming look,
00:01:13 --> 00:01:15 - a scheming look on their face,
00:01:15 --> 00:01:17 - a little bit of a twinkle in their
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00:01:19 --> 00:01:21 - They're up to mischief against the GOP
00:01:22 --> 00:01:25 - in the throes of the big Trump corporate
00:01:25 --> 00:01:26 - America sellout.
00:01:28 --> 00:01:31 - And, so, wow, third party fever is back
00:01:31 --> 00:01:32 - for a lot of us.
00:01:33 --> 00:01:35 - And for a lot of those, bots that
00:01:35 --> 00:01:36 - Israel is paying for,
00:01:37 --> 00:01:39 - it is the worst thing on Earth because
00:01:39 --> 00:01:42 - it has Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Joe
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00:01:44 --> 00:01:45 - it. But, anyway,
00:01:46 --> 00:01:47 - this calls for a
00:01:48 --> 00:01:50 - you know, going back, in my opinion, going
00:01:50 --> 00:01:52 - back and talking about third parties,
00:01:53 --> 00:01:55 - I always say America
00:01:55 --> 00:01:57 - in its entire history has been in a
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00:02:01 --> 00:02:04 - since the administration of George Washington, and it
00:02:04 --> 00:02:04 - was actually,
00:02:05 --> 00:02:08 - exploding out within his cabinet even under Washington,
00:02:09 --> 00:02:11 - who was against political parties and there weren't
00:02:11 --> 00:02:14 - any, when he I mean, it was pretty
00:02:14 --> 00:02:16 - unanimous for him to be our first president.
00:02:17 --> 00:02:18 - But intercede,
00:02:19 --> 00:02:22 - warfare in the cabinet broke out primarily between
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00:02:23 --> 00:02:25 - Alexander Hamilton, secretary of the treasury,
00:02:26 --> 00:02:27 - and Thomas
00:02:27 --> 00:02:28 - Jefferson.
00:02:29 --> 00:02:31 - And that is the basis, the Hamiltonian
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00:02:44 --> 00:02:46 - but also in building an industrial base for
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00:02:49 --> 00:02:50 - truly be sovereign.
00:02:51 --> 00:02:52 - That was Hamilton's
00:02:52 --> 00:02:55 - point of view, and it, became the point
00:02:55 --> 00:02:57 - of view of the Federalist Party
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00:03:00 --> 00:03:03 - Their standard bearer was John Adams,
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00:03:06 --> 00:03:09 - And then we have possibly the most titanic
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00:03:17 --> 00:03:19 - Adams' first term as he took on Thomas
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00:03:21 --> 00:03:23 - And now we see a full flowering of
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00:03:26 --> 00:03:28 - was that we should have a very limited
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00:03:29 --> 00:03:31 - focus more on the bill of rights, focusing
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00:03:33 --> 00:03:34 - not having tariffs,
00:03:35 --> 00:03:38 - not worrying about developing industry, having free trade,
00:03:39 --> 00:03:42 - but also having sound money and not having
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00:03:44 --> 00:03:46 - printing the money. So there's kind of a
00:03:46 --> 00:03:47 - mix when you look at politics
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00:03:50 --> 00:03:51 - the beginning, folks,
00:03:52 --> 00:03:54 - of the two party dynamic. And at that
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00:03:59 --> 00:04:01 - the Democratic Republicans
00:04:01 --> 00:04:04 - became the Democrats. That's why they're the oldest
00:04:04 --> 00:04:05 - party.
00:04:05 --> 00:04:06 - And,
00:04:06 --> 00:04:07 - soon after,
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00:04:14 --> 00:04:16 - The Whig Party, the Henry Clay
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00:04:29 --> 00:04:32 - central banking operations in Europe.
00:04:32 --> 00:04:34 - And, of course, we had the US Bank
00:04:34 --> 00:04:37 - and then, Andrew Jackson came in, a Democrat,
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00:04:42 --> 00:04:44 - Bank of the United States. Anyway, I won't
00:04:44 --> 00:04:45 - go too far down all those roads, but
00:04:45 --> 00:04:47 - that was the beginning of the dynamic.
00:04:48 --> 00:04:51 - Democrats and Whigs at this point, I'm talking
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00:04:53 --> 00:04:55 - eighteen forties, then we got to the eighteen
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00:05:01 --> 00:05:03 - I'm gonna get back to the history of
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00:05:49 --> 00:05:51 - So after the civil war, I won't get
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00:05:55 --> 00:05:57 - after the war, that that that is where
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00:06:33 --> 00:06:34 - particularly in the Democrats.
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00:06:37 --> 00:06:40 - you get through World War one. You have
00:06:40 --> 00:06:43 - in the, nine election nineteen twelve, you have
00:06:43 --> 00:06:44 - three candidates,
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00:06:55 --> 00:06:57 - basis of the Democrats that we know now.
00:06:58 --> 00:07:00 - And, that went back and forth a little
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00:07:21 --> 00:07:24 - that lasted through the fifties and, into the
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00:07:41 --> 00:07:42 - He I don't believe he ever ran as
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00:07:50 --> 00:07:51 - lived for years.
00:07:52 --> 00:07:54 - And so there were these outlier
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00:08:07 --> 00:08:09 - wing or what they called the old guard,
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00:08:18 --> 00:08:20 - wing, which we now know is rhinos. They're
00:08:20 --> 00:08:21 - all still around intellectual
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00:08:41 --> 00:08:44 - fostered by the John Birch Society, by William
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00:08:47 --> 00:08:49 - by the Young Americans for Freedom,
00:08:49 --> 00:08:52 - in the nineteen fifties and early nineteen sixties,
00:08:53 --> 00:08:55 - that pretty much put the GOP on the
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00:08:57 --> 00:09:00 - the small government party except in their actions.
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00:09:03 --> 00:09:05 - So this dynamic and they and it could
00:09:05 --> 00:09:08 - the dynamic continues to this day.
00:09:09 --> 00:09:11 - We'll get into every back and forth of
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00:09:29 --> 00:09:31 - how much rights individual should have.
00:09:31 --> 00:09:34 - But, you know, it's we're generalizing on all
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00:09:36 --> 00:09:38 - state centered there in Washington that was a
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00:09:41 --> 00:09:43 - and I think in the February even.
00:09:44 --> 00:09:46 - But there's always outliers and whatnot, but the
00:09:46 --> 00:09:47 - the these are some of the general trends.
00:09:47 --> 00:09:49 - So that's the two party dynamic.
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00:10:00 --> 00:10:01 - Every
00:10:01 --> 00:10:02 - single election
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00:10:23 --> 00:10:26 - and then the Democrat Party, once Roosevelt got
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00:10:30 --> 00:10:31 - the fifties in the Republicans,
00:10:32 --> 00:10:35 - really pretty much executing a role reversal
00:10:36 --> 00:10:38 - between which government, which party at least claimed
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00:10:41 --> 00:10:42 - government party.
00:10:43 --> 00:10:45 - But all along, folks,
00:10:46 --> 00:10:48 - there were people with great ideas thinking, boy,
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00:10:51 --> 00:10:53 - And there were all kinds of reasons
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00:10:55 --> 00:10:56 - But,
00:10:57 --> 00:10:59 - so and there's kinda been two types
00:11:00 --> 00:11:03 - of third parties in this country. Parties that
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00:11:05 --> 00:11:07 - on some level with some degree of of
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00:11:09 --> 00:11:11 - to be a dominant party.
00:11:12 --> 00:11:13 - And,
00:11:13 --> 00:11:16 - as I said, only one succeeded in becoming
00:11:16 --> 00:11:18 - a dominant party. That was the Republicans
00:11:19 --> 00:11:20 - between 1856
00:11:20 --> 00:11:21 - and 1860.
00:11:23 --> 00:11:25 - And with the election of, Abraham Lincoln,
00:11:27 --> 00:11:30 - they they went from third party status to,
00:11:30 --> 00:11:32 - to, one of the two major parties, but
00:11:32 --> 00:11:34 - that's the only time. That's the only time
00:11:34 --> 00:11:35 - that's happened, and,
00:11:36 --> 00:11:39 - and they were a dominant party by 1860.
00:11:39 --> 00:11:41 - And the Democrats were divided. We'll get into
00:11:41 --> 00:11:44 - all that civil war. Everything got pretty complicated
00:11:44 --> 00:11:46 - there in 1860
00:11:46 --> 00:11:47 - when Lincoln won.
00:11:48 --> 00:11:51 - But, anyway so but we've had these, third
00:11:51 --> 00:11:54 - parties that attempted to become a dominant party.
00:11:55 --> 00:11:56 - GOP successful.
00:11:56 --> 00:11:58 - And then we've had what I call spoiler
00:11:59 --> 00:11:59 - parties,
00:12:00 --> 00:12:02 - and we got several of them around right
00:12:02 --> 00:12:03 - now. I mean, like the libertarians,
00:12:03 --> 00:12:05 - the Green Party,
00:12:06 --> 00:12:09 - like the Communist Party USA in the nineteen
00:12:09 --> 00:12:11 - thirties, like the Socialist Party
00:12:12 --> 00:12:14 - at various junctures in our history from, the
00:12:14 --> 00:12:16 - late eighteen hundreds
00:12:17 --> 00:12:17 - until,
00:12:19 --> 00:12:20 - I don't really know where to put an
00:12:20 --> 00:12:22 - endpoint on that, because a lot of them
00:12:22 --> 00:12:24 - went into the greens. But until fairly recent
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00:12:25 --> 00:12:28 - spoiler parties, they get one to 3% of
00:12:28 --> 00:12:28 - the vote,
00:12:29 --> 00:12:32 - but can swing an election for somebody else
00:12:32 --> 00:12:34 - because they're getting one
00:12:34 --> 00:12:36 - to 3%
00:12:36 --> 00:12:37 - of the vote. And, folks, there's just always
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00:12:38 --> 00:12:40 - a group out there.
00:12:41 --> 00:12:43 - You can't even put one you hardly can
00:12:43 --> 00:12:45 - put one ideology on it, but there's always
00:12:45 --> 00:12:46 - a group out there willing
00:12:47 --> 00:12:49 - to wander into a third party in any
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00:12:51 --> 00:12:52 - no matter what.
00:12:53 --> 00:12:55 - And so these parties, once they get any
00:12:55 --> 00:12:57 - kind of head of steam and a candidate
00:12:57 --> 00:12:58 - and any kind of publicity
00:12:59 --> 00:13:01 - and with the Internet, not hard to, put
00:13:01 --> 00:13:02 - their message out,
00:13:04 --> 00:13:05 - you will get people that vote for them,
00:13:05 --> 00:13:07 - but, you know, half a percent, 1%,
00:13:08 --> 00:13:10 - but you get one and a half percent
00:13:11 --> 00:13:13 - in a in some of these elections. I
00:13:13 --> 00:13:15 - mean, you've seen how close they've been
00:13:16 --> 00:13:18 - all over the country, very
00:13:19 --> 00:13:20 - tight elections.
00:13:21 --> 00:13:23 - That's when that third party is a big
00:13:23 --> 00:13:24 - effing deal.
00:13:24 --> 00:13:26 - There are nobody until that election night when
00:13:26 --> 00:13:28 - the other people are realizing, wait a minute.
00:13:29 --> 00:13:32 - Our guy may be losing because of
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00:13:34 --> 00:13:36 - American Freedom Party or the, you know, the
00:13:36 --> 00:13:36 - constitutional
00:13:37 --> 00:13:37 - party.
00:13:38 --> 00:13:40 - The America we have an independent American party
00:13:40 --> 00:13:42 - in Utah and a constitution party and a
00:13:42 --> 00:13:44 - libertarian party in this state.
00:13:45 --> 00:13:46 - And so
00:13:46 --> 00:13:49 - two types of third party. So going back
00:13:49 --> 00:13:51 - again now through history,
00:13:52 --> 00:13:54 - you know, the, major I won't go through
00:13:54 --> 00:13:55 - every minor
00:13:56 --> 00:13:58 - third party, but the the more major third
00:13:58 --> 00:13:59 - parties, we had the anti masonic
00:14:01 --> 00:14:01 - party
00:14:02 --> 00:14:03 - early nineteen thirties.
00:14:04 --> 00:14:07 - Hoke, hocus pocus going on, a few,
00:14:07 --> 00:14:12 - unsolved murders, including the hero captain William Morgan
00:14:12 --> 00:14:13 - up in New York,
00:14:13 --> 00:14:14 - allegedly
00:14:14 --> 00:14:15 - murdered by Masons
00:14:16 --> 00:14:18 - for giving away their secrets.
00:14:19 --> 00:14:22 - And so suddenly, the anti masonic party becomes
00:14:22 --> 00:14:22 - a big deal.
00:14:23 --> 00:14:25 - And they're they elected a few members to
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00:14:27 --> 00:14:29 - a couple of governors, I believe, Pennsylvania and
00:14:29 --> 00:14:32 - Vermont, I wanna say. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
00:14:32 --> 00:14:34 - But, so they
00:14:34 --> 00:14:37 - try to make a splash nationally and actually
00:14:37 --> 00:14:37 - had
00:14:38 --> 00:14:41 - some very limited electoral success, like, way more
00:14:41 --> 00:14:43 - than the libertarian parties ever had as an
00:14:43 --> 00:14:44 - example.
00:14:44 --> 00:14:45 - So that was the,
00:14:47 --> 00:14:49 - anti masonic party. That's why I put them
00:14:49 --> 00:14:51 - in the category of a major third party.
00:14:52 --> 00:14:54 - The second one was the know nothing party,
00:14:55 --> 00:14:57 - which was in the eighteen fifties, a reaction,
00:14:57 --> 00:14:58 - to
00:14:58 --> 00:15:01 - primarily the Irish immigration over here. A lot
00:15:01 --> 00:15:04 - of Catholics pouring into The United States
00:15:04 --> 00:15:05 - and from other
00:15:06 --> 00:15:09 - places as well besides Ireland, and they were
00:15:09 --> 00:15:11 - primarily an anti potpourri,
00:15:11 --> 00:15:12 - anti Catholic
00:15:13 --> 00:15:13 - party.
00:15:14 --> 00:15:17 - And they got their big shot in 1856
00:15:17 --> 00:15:18 - because
00:15:18 --> 00:15:21 - the Republican Party comes in as a third
00:15:21 --> 00:15:21 - party,
00:15:22 --> 00:15:23 - and it's decimating
00:15:24 --> 00:15:25 - the Whigs.
00:15:26 --> 00:15:29 - And so the remnants of the wigs
00:15:29 --> 00:15:32 - combined with the, know nothing party,
00:15:33 --> 00:15:36 - their candidate, a former president, Millard Fillmore.
00:15:38 --> 00:15:39 - And so here they are. They got a
00:15:39 --> 00:15:41 - a former president as their candidate.
00:15:41 --> 00:15:44 - They're combining with with what was one of
00:15:44 --> 00:15:45 - the two major parties
00:15:46 --> 00:15:50 - and, but they didn't get there. Democrats won,
00:15:50 --> 00:15:51 - and Republicans,
00:15:52 --> 00:15:53 - you know, set up a foundation
00:15:54 --> 00:15:57 - for victory in 1860.
00:15:58 --> 00:16:00 - But you you see a strategy there now
00:16:01 --> 00:16:03 - of a third party seeking
00:16:04 --> 00:16:04 - to,
00:16:05 --> 00:16:07 - seeking to glom onto
00:16:09 --> 00:16:11 - an established party.
00:16:11 --> 00:16:14 - In this case, primarily, it was the Republicans.
00:16:14 --> 00:16:15 - They took
00:16:16 --> 00:16:18 - a huge swath of the wigs
00:16:18 --> 00:16:20 - into the Republican Party.
00:16:21 --> 00:16:22 - They took on
00:16:22 --> 00:16:25 - the wig view of of, infrastructure,
00:16:26 --> 00:16:27 - central bank,
00:16:28 --> 00:16:30 - building railroads, the government getting involved with building
00:16:30 --> 00:16:33 - railroads, the government getting involved in all kinds
00:16:33 --> 00:16:33 - of things.
00:16:34 --> 00:16:37 - And they combine that with their big new
00:16:37 --> 00:16:37 - issue,
00:16:38 --> 00:16:41 - which define the Republican Party, which was opposition
00:16:41 --> 00:16:42 - to slavery.
00:16:43 --> 00:16:44 - So
00:16:44 --> 00:16:47 - that was a tactic that was very successful
00:16:48 --> 00:16:50 - because it took a party from nowhere, so
00:16:50 --> 00:16:51 - to speak.
00:16:51 --> 00:16:54 - And very quickly, they became one of the
00:16:54 --> 00:16:56 - two dominant parties displacing,
00:16:56 --> 00:16:57 - as I said,
00:16:58 --> 00:17:01 - the wigs. And that's something that tactic, we
00:17:01 --> 00:17:01 - need to
00:17:02 --> 00:17:04 - put a put our finger in the book,
00:17:04 --> 00:17:06 - so it's fish for those of you that
00:17:06 --> 00:17:08 - even open a book, and hang on to
00:17:08 --> 00:17:09 - that. Maybe put a mark in there, and
00:17:09 --> 00:17:11 - I and we'll continue, but
00:17:12 --> 00:17:12 - interesting
00:17:12 --> 00:17:13 - strategy
00:17:14 --> 00:17:16 - and the only successful one.
00:17:17 --> 00:17:19 - So I continue. So then, late in that,
00:17:19 --> 00:17:20 - we had the farmers rebellion
00:17:21 --> 00:17:23 - and kind of the precursors of the progressive
00:17:24 --> 00:17:26 - movement in the cities, but it's primarily
00:17:26 --> 00:17:27 - a rural movement,
00:17:28 --> 00:17:30 - The populist party
00:17:30 --> 00:17:32 - but then the populist party is supplanted.
00:17:34 --> 00:17:35 - They're supplanted
00:17:35 --> 00:17:38 - by somebody running in the Democrats.
00:17:39 --> 00:17:41 - And so their party loses steam. They elected
00:17:41 --> 00:17:44 - some governors. They elected some people, different places.
00:17:44 --> 00:17:46 - Governor Washington state was a populist
00:17:47 --> 00:17:50 - in the early, eighteen nineties. But William Jennings
00:17:50 --> 00:17:51 - Bryan
00:17:52 --> 00:17:53 - came on the scene as a Democrat
00:17:54 --> 00:17:56 - running on basically their same platform.
00:17:57 --> 00:17:58 - In this case, silver,
00:17:59 --> 00:18:02 - monetization of silver, and and some of the
00:18:02 --> 00:18:03 - farm issues,
00:18:03 --> 00:18:04 - also.
00:18:05 --> 00:18:07 - And so they were supplanted and kind of
00:18:07 --> 00:18:10 - swallowed back into the Democrats
00:18:11 --> 00:18:13 - through William Jennings Bryan.
00:18:14 --> 00:18:15 - So that's what happened to them.
00:18:16 --> 00:18:19 - You had the progressive party in 1912,
00:18:20 --> 00:18:23 - but that was, folks, that was a, big
00:18:23 --> 00:18:24 - business corporate op
00:18:25 --> 00:18:28 - to run former president Teddy Roosevelt
00:18:28 --> 00:18:30 - to divide the field
00:18:31 --> 00:18:33 - so Woodrow Wilson could become president
00:18:33 --> 00:18:34 - and supplant,
00:18:35 --> 00:18:37 - Howard Taft, who was the president, who was
00:18:37 --> 00:18:37 - a Republican.
00:18:38 --> 00:18:40 - I talk all about this in my,
00:18:40 --> 00:18:43 - episode on the election of nineteen twelve.
00:18:44 --> 00:18:46 - And so that party was formed, had a
00:18:46 --> 00:18:48 - lot of money, a lot of Morgan people
00:18:48 --> 00:18:49 - raising money. JPMorgan
00:18:50 --> 00:18:53 - raising money for this radical populist party claim
00:18:53 --> 00:18:54 - be against all these
00:18:54 --> 00:18:58 - big business types and fat cats. Totally phony.
00:18:58 --> 00:19:01 - The big, their big fundraiser, a man named
00:19:01 --> 00:19:03 - George Perkins who built most of the trust
00:19:03 --> 00:19:05 - that JP Morgan ran.
00:19:06 --> 00:19:08 - That's yet another story.
00:19:09 --> 00:19:11 - Anyway, And then they they ran a candidate
00:19:11 --> 00:19:13 - one more time, 1924,
00:19:13 --> 00:19:14 - Robert LaFollette,
00:19:15 --> 00:19:16 - but didn't really get anywhere.
00:19:17 --> 00:19:19 - So then, Harry Truman,
00:19:20 --> 00:19:22 - unpopular on both the left and right flank
00:19:22 --> 00:19:24 - of the Democrat party all the way now
00:19:24 --> 00:19:26 - to 1948.
00:19:27 --> 00:19:29 - He has a new progressive party
00:19:29 --> 00:19:32 - running to his left, which their their deal
00:19:32 --> 00:19:32 - essentially
00:19:33 --> 00:19:33 - was,
00:19:34 --> 00:19:36 - we wanna still have a close relationship with
00:19:36 --> 00:19:37 - Russia.
00:19:37 --> 00:19:39 - This is when the rest of the country
00:19:39 --> 00:19:41 - is in anti communist fever,
00:19:42 --> 00:19:44 - and the left wing Democrats were forced, in
00:19:44 --> 00:19:47 - their new organization, the ADA,
00:19:48 --> 00:19:50 - the Americans for Democratic Action. They were forced
00:19:50 --> 00:19:53 - to start this whole thing of containment.
00:19:53 --> 00:19:55 - We're not for the communist, but we don't
00:19:55 --> 00:19:57 - really wanna fight them too much. We just
00:19:57 --> 00:20:00 - wanna contain them. Anyway, you hear me mention
00:20:00 --> 00:20:02 - that in many episodes, and,
00:20:03 --> 00:20:04 - that was a breakout between,
00:20:05 --> 00:20:08 - the ADA people and the Liberals still running
00:20:08 --> 00:20:11 - the Democrat Party and this new progressive party,
00:20:11 --> 00:20:12 - which only lasted one cycle.
00:20:13 --> 00:20:13 - They're
00:20:14 --> 00:20:15 - being pro communist,
00:20:16 --> 00:20:18 - not a great stance in 1948.
00:20:18 --> 00:20:20 - At the same time, on the right
00:20:20 --> 00:20:23 - was a, South Carolina senator by name of
00:20:23 --> 00:20:25 - Strom Thurmond and many, many
00:20:26 --> 00:20:27 - conservative Democrats
00:20:28 --> 00:20:29 - behind him,
00:20:29 --> 00:20:32 - and they ran him as a Dixiecrat. This
00:20:32 --> 00:20:33 - is the beginning of the end
00:20:34 --> 00:20:36 - of the Democrat party in the South and
00:20:36 --> 00:20:38 - the beginning of the end of conservative Democrats
00:20:38 --> 00:20:39 - because they all become
00:20:40 --> 00:20:42 - Republicans, including Strom Thurmond,
00:20:43 --> 00:20:44 - who by,
00:20:45 --> 00:20:48 - the nineteen eighties is a firm Republican. But
00:20:48 --> 00:20:50 - he ran, and he got some electoral votes
00:20:50 --> 00:20:51 - in the South, but still not
00:20:52 --> 00:20:54 - a major factor in that election.
00:20:55 --> 00:20:56 - So then we have and then we go
00:20:56 --> 00:20:58 - to 1968,
00:20:58 --> 00:21:00 - and we have George Wallace
00:21:00 --> 00:21:02 - running with, with that kind of that same
00:21:02 --> 00:21:04 - base down in the South, but he's already
00:21:04 --> 00:21:06 - expanding this base,
00:21:07 --> 00:21:09 - freaking out our corporate masters.
00:21:09 --> 00:21:12 - He is getting support in the auto worker
00:21:12 --> 00:21:13 - industry,
00:21:13 --> 00:21:14 - in Michigan,
00:21:14 --> 00:21:15 - in Maryland,
00:21:15 --> 00:21:18 - in that Upper Midwest, kind of a precursor
00:21:18 --> 00:21:20 - to some of the Trump strength up there,
00:21:20 --> 00:21:23 - and not just running on a racial platform,
00:21:23 --> 00:21:24 - but very much
00:21:24 --> 00:21:27 - in America first type of platform.
00:21:27 --> 00:21:29 - Didn't have all the issues that we discussed
00:21:29 --> 00:21:30 - now.
00:21:30 --> 00:21:32 - But he got 45 electoral votes. They were
00:21:32 --> 00:21:33 - all in the South,
00:21:34 --> 00:21:35 - but he forced Nixon.
00:21:36 --> 00:21:38 - Another thing a third party is, Nixon had
00:21:38 --> 00:21:40 - to come up with a southern strategy and
00:21:40 --> 00:21:41 - mitigate
00:21:42 --> 00:21:42 - mitigate
00:21:43 --> 00:21:44 - Wallace's vote
00:21:44 --> 00:21:48 - by becoming very strong on law and order
00:21:48 --> 00:21:50 - and many other conservative issues.
00:21:51 --> 00:21:53 - Not that Nixon was that conservative once he
00:21:53 --> 00:21:54 - got elected,
00:21:55 --> 00:21:58 - but, Wallace pulled Nixon to the right.
00:21:58 --> 00:22:00 - And Nixon barely won that election
00:22:01 --> 00:22:02 - in 1968.
00:22:02 --> 00:22:04 - And as I said, Wallace got
00:22:04 --> 00:22:05 - 45
00:22:05 --> 00:22:07 - electoral votes. So 1980,
00:22:07 --> 00:22:10 - John Anderson ran. He got, I think, 10%,
00:22:10 --> 00:22:12 - not really a third party, just a Republican,
00:22:13 --> 00:22:16 - liberal Republican protest against Ronald Reagan.
00:22:18 --> 00:22:20 - The big one, folks, the big one on
00:22:20 --> 00:22:22 - the list now we're getting into a more
00:22:22 --> 00:22:24 - recent times and to issue similar the ones
00:22:24 --> 00:22:26 - that we're talking today.
00:22:26 --> 00:22:29 - Ross Perot in 1992.
00:22:29 --> 00:22:32 - At one point in a campaign in '92
00:22:32 --> 00:22:33 - had 50%
00:22:33 --> 00:22:34 - support
00:22:34 --> 00:22:36 - where and the other 50%
00:22:36 --> 00:22:37 - was shared
00:22:38 --> 00:22:39 - by president
00:22:40 --> 00:22:40 - George,
00:22:40 --> 00:22:42 - walk Herbert Walker Bush senior
00:22:43 --> 00:22:45 - and Bill Clinton,
00:22:46 --> 00:22:47 - but he imploded,
00:22:47 --> 00:22:49 - couldn't take the pressure. I don't really know
00:22:49 --> 00:22:52 - what even happened to him. He dropped out
00:22:52 --> 00:22:54 - of the race. He came back in.
00:22:54 --> 00:22:56 - He still got a pretty large percent of
00:22:56 --> 00:22:58 - the vote, but hardly that much,
00:22:58 --> 00:22:59 - and
00:22:59 --> 00:23:02 - didn't really have a party. Infrastructure didn't have
00:23:02 --> 00:23:02 - a party.
00:23:03 --> 00:23:05 - It was just Ross Perot, independent
00:23:05 --> 00:23:07 - campaign, but like a third party. And then
00:23:07 --> 00:23:09 - ran again in '96
00:23:09 --> 00:23:10 - reform party,
00:23:11 --> 00:23:14 - and then firmed up on the anti trade,
00:23:15 --> 00:23:16 - anti free trade,
00:23:16 --> 00:23:19 - which was his, major issue. In the earlier
00:23:19 --> 00:23:21 - campaign, it was the debt
00:23:22 --> 00:23:24 - and the deficit and increasing debt of The
00:23:24 --> 00:23:26 - United States. His second campaign
00:23:27 --> 00:23:28 - mostly about trade.
00:23:29 --> 00:23:31 - And, but he got lesser,
00:23:31 --> 00:23:33 - a number of votes, but enough votes
00:23:33 --> 00:23:36 - at one more cycle of the reform party
00:23:36 --> 00:23:36 - two thousand,
00:23:38 --> 00:23:40 - Pat Buchanan beat a fellow by the name
00:23:40 --> 00:23:41 - of Donald Trump
00:23:42 --> 00:23:45 - and, was able to spend millions of dollars
00:23:45 --> 00:23:48 - of matching funds because of the success Perot
00:23:48 --> 00:23:49 - had in '96.
00:23:50 --> 00:23:52 - However, Buchanan did not get
00:23:52 --> 00:23:53 - a lot of votes.
00:23:55 --> 00:23:57 - And then that's pretty much it.
00:23:58 --> 00:23:59 - A major,
00:24:00 --> 00:24:02 - third parties until we get
00:24:02 --> 00:24:04 - to what might be coming next
00:24:05 --> 00:24:07 - in our story with Tucker Carlson,
00:24:09 --> 00:24:09 - MTG,
00:24:10 --> 00:24:11 - Thomas Massey,
00:24:12 --> 00:24:14 - Joe Kent, and probably some other rebels out
00:24:14 --> 00:24:15 - there.
00:24:15 --> 00:24:17 - And so we will get back to the
00:24:17 --> 00:24:17 - story,
00:24:18 --> 00:24:20 - the third party fever, what's happening today,
00:24:22 --> 00:24:23 - right after the news. You are listening to
00:24:23 --> 00:24:24 - Hour of Decision
00:24:25 --> 00:24:28 - on Liberty News Radio. Welcome back to Hour
00:24:28 --> 00:24:30 - of Decision. My name is Lou Moore. We're
00:24:30 --> 00:24:32 - talking about third party fever, folks. Are you
00:24:32 --> 00:24:35 - feeling it? Are you feeling it there for
00:24:35 --> 00:24:35 - old Tucker?
00:24:36 --> 00:24:37 - Maybe for MTG?
00:24:38 --> 00:24:39 - How about Thomas Massie?
00:24:39 --> 00:24:42 - He was very impressive on the campaign trail
00:24:42 --> 00:24:45 - even though the Israel money overwhelmed him,
00:24:45 --> 00:24:47 - and the Donald Trump
00:24:47 --> 00:24:49 - persona and the cult of Trump
00:24:50 --> 00:24:51 - overwhelmed him with the boomers.
00:24:52 --> 00:24:54 - And, he lost by 10 points, lost his
00:24:54 --> 00:24:56 - congressional seat, but, really,
00:24:57 --> 00:24:58 - acquitted himself.
00:24:58 --> 00:25:01 - I think, I think he did a fantastic
00:25:01 --> 00:25:01 - job.
00:25:02 --> 00:25:04 - I think he's a great communicator, and
00:25:04 --> 00:25:06 - I think he's got a real future. He's
00:25:06 --> 00:25:08 - in he's in on it, maybe. Looks like
00:25:08 --> 00:25:10 - he is. He's sitting around the table
00:25:11 --> 00:25:14 - with those other plotters against the GOP as
00:25:14 --> 00:25:15 - we know it now.
00:25:16 --> 00:25:19 - So, anyway, this prompts the whole conversation about
00:25:19 --> 00:25:20 - third parties.
00:25:21 --> 00:25:22 - I talked about some of the major
00:25:23 --> 00:25:25 - third parties, the larger ones,
00:25:25 --> 00:25:27 - the ones that had some impact on a
00:25:27 --> 00:25:28 - national level,
00:25:30 --> 00:25:30 - either
00:25:31 --> 00:25:33 - giving the election to another candidate like the
00:25:33 --> 00:25:35 - case of t Teddy Roosevelt
00:25:35 --> 00:25:36 - ensuring
00:25:36 --> 00:25:39 - Woodrow Wilson's election, or in the case of
00:25:39 --> 00:25:39 - the Republicans,
00:25:40 --> 00:25:42 - be knocking over
00:25:42 --> 00:25:43 - a dominant,
00:25:44 --> 00:25:47 - one of the two major parties and becoming
00:25:47 --> 00:25:49 - themselves one of the two major parties going
00:25:49 --> 00:25:50 - from third party status
00:25:51 --> 00:25:53 - to major party status,
00:25:53 --> 00:25:54 - the GOP.
00:25:55 --> 00:25:57 - So anyhow but then there's these spoiler parties,
00:25:58 --> 00:26:00 - you know, and they're still out there, the
00:26:00 --> 00:26:02 - libertarians. The libertarians, I give them a lot
00:26:02 --> 00:26:03 - of credit.
00:26:03 --> 00:26:06 - They have maintained ballot access, and as far
00:26:06 --> 00:26:08 - as I know, they still have it in
00:26:08 --> 00:26:09 - all 50 states.
00:26:09 --> 00:26:11 - And I'm gonna tell you right now, folks,
00:26:11 --> 00:26:13 - having, worked in the vineyard there a little
00:26:13 --> 00:26:15 - bit on valid access,
00:26:16 --> 00:26:18 - it's not easy
00:26:18 --> 00:26:19 - to do that.
00:26:19 --> 00:26:20 - It's hard,
00:26:21 --> 00:26:22 - but they have a core of people around
00:26:22 --> 00:26:23 - the country
00:26:24 --> 00:26:26 - to keep this thing going.
00:26:26 --> 00:26:27 - But,
00:26:27 --> 00:26:30 - you know, they've really never they've never broke
00:26:30 --> 00:26:31 - it out of spoiler
00:26:32 --> 00:26:32 - status.
00:26:33 --> 00:26:35 - That's about the best they can do. Of
00:26:35 --> 00:26:36 - course, I will also add
00:26:37 --> 00:26:39 - that many people on TV will say, oh,
00:26:39 --> 00:26:40 - Libertarian's
00:26:40 --> 00:26:42 - running. He's splitting the Republican vote.
00:26:43 --> 00:26:45 - That's not always true, folks.
00:26:45 --> 00:26:47 - That's sloppy thinking.
00:26:48 --> 00:26:50 - It really depends on the dynamic of the
00:26:50 --> 00:26:52 - area you're talking about and
00:26:52 --> 00:26:54 - the candidate you're talking about because,
00:26:55 --> 00:26:57 - they've had a intercede war
00:26:58 --> 00:27:00 - within the Libertarian Party for years
00:27:01 --> 00:27:03 - between the ones that want to concentrate more
00:27:03 --> 00:27:04 - on economic
00:27:04 --> 00:27:05 - liberty.
00:27:06 --> 00:27:09 - People are associated with the von Mises Institute
00:27:09 --> 00:27:12 - and groups like that. They're kind of paleo
00:27:12 --> 00:27:15 - libertarian that maybe even are against immigration
00:27:16 --> 00:27:18 - and a little bit more America first,
00:27:19 --> 00:27:21 - versus the the types that kinda are the,
00:27:22 --> 00:27:24 - refugees of the nineteen sixties that just wanna
00:27:24 --> 00:27:26 - take a lot of drugs and have free
00:27:26 --> 00:27:27 - love and stuff like that.
00:27:28 --> 00:27:29 - There's a lot of those people in the
00:27:29 --> 00:27:31 - Libertarian Party, believe it or not.
00:27:32 --> 00:27:33 - And,
00:27:33 --> 00:27:36 - anyway, so sloppy thinking sometimes about the libertarians,
00:27:36 --> 00:27:37 - but they can
00:27:38 --> 00:27:40 - play the role of a spoiler except
00:27:40 --> 00:27:41 - a
00:27:41 --> 00:27:43 - a party can set out to do that.
00:27:44 --> 00:27:47 - And then they can actually really move events
00:27:48 --> 00:27:51 - and really have an impact
00:27:51 --> 00:27:54 - beyond just having a little tiny platform for
00:27:54 --> 00:27:56 - their particular message to get out.
00:27:57 --> 00:27:57 - And,
00:27:59 --> 00:28:00 - the party that was most successful
00:28:01 --> 00:28:04 - of these third parties at doing this without
00:28:04 --> 00:28:05 - any doubt
00:28:05 --> 00:28:08 - was the Communist Party USA back in the
00:28:08 --> 00:28:09 - '19,
00:28:10 --> 00:28:11 - thirties and forties
00:28:12 --> 00:28:15 - when they had larger numbers. Today, they wouldn't
00:28:15 --> 00:28:16 - have that ability,
00:28:17 --> 00:28:19 - and they're not playing that game anyhow. We'll
00:28:19 --> 00:28:21 - talk about that in a minute. But,
00:28:22 --> 00:28:24 - but back in the nineteen thirties and forties,
00:28:24 --> 00:28:25 - they concentrated
00:28:26 --> 00:28:27 - they didn't have a lot of members of
00:28:27 --> 00:28:29 - their party, but they had quite a few
00:28:29 --> 00:28:31 - members, and they had a popular
00:28:32 --> 00:28:33 - front movement,
00:28:34 --> 00:28:36 - which I've talked about in several episodes, particularly
00:28:36 --> 00:28:39 - when I talk about my hero, Joe McCarthy.
00:28:39 --> 00:28:40 - So the communist
00:28:40 --> 00:28:42 - parties had a front,
00:28:43 --> 00:28:46 - thing set up to where they they leveraged
00:28:46 --> 00:28:48 - a lot of individuals and organized a lot
00:28:48 --> 00:28:50 - of individuals that weren't communist
00:28:51 --> 00:28:53 - into some of their various activities, and they
00:28:53 --> 00:28:55 - could also use this in their electoral
00:28:55 --> 00:28:56 - activities.
00:28:57 --> 00:28:58 - They were concentrated
00:28:58 --> 00:29:00 - in places like New York City,
00:29:01 --> 00:29:01 - Chicago,
00:29:02 --> 00:29:02 - Philadelphia.
00:29:03 --> 00:29:06 - They were concentrated in the Jewish community and
00:29:06 --> 00:29:08 - to a degree in the Irish
00:29:08 --> 00:29:09 - community,
00:29:10 --> 00:29:12 - primarily in these cities. They also had some
00:29:12 --> 00:29:14 - strength in the, rural strength
00:29:14 --> 00:29:17 - in the Midwest in in a few areas
00:29:17 --> 00:29:18 - with Scandinavian
00:29:18 --> 00:29:19 - folks, believe it or not,
00:29:20 --> 00:29:21 - but they weren't concentrated
00:29:21 --> 00:29:22 - there.
00:29:22 --> 00:29:24 - But they were in the cities, and they
00:29:25 --> 00:29:26 - put the screws
00:29:26 --> 00:29:29 - to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. I'm telling you. He
00:29:29 --> 00:29:30 - ended up in a coalition
00:29:31 --> 00:29:33 - for a period of time with the communist,
00:29:33 --> 00:29:35 - but particularly the worry they had that they
00:29:35 --> 00:29:38 - might lose New York state. They really never
00:29:38 --> 00:29:40 - had a big thing to worry about there.
00:29:40 --> 00:29:41 - Maybe in 1932.
00:29:41 --> 00:29:43 - I don't think so, the first election.
00:29:44 --> 00:29:46 - But that had everything to do
00:29:46 --> 00:29:47 - with,
00:29:47 --> 00:29:50 - Roosevelt's early love of the communist and of,
00:29:51 --> 00:29:53 - being one of the first nations to recognize
00:29:53 --> 00:29:55 - the outlaw USSR
00:29:56 --> 00:29:57 - just as soon as he got into office
00:29:57 --> 00:29:59 - in 1933.
00:30:00 --> 00:30:02 - So I would argue the communist party was
00:30:02 --> 00:30:06 - extremely successful even in electoral business, but just
00:30:06 --> 00:30:06 - leveraging
00:30:07 --> 00:30:09 - their votes in areas where they had
00:30:10 --> 00:30:11 - some strength.
00:30:12 --> 00:30:13 - So,
00:30:13 --> 00:30:16 - that's that's where the spoiler party can be
00:30:16 --> 00:30:18 - effective. But the problem is is when the
00:30:18 --> 00:30:20 - people go out in the third party world,
00:30:20 --> 00:30:21 - particularly on the right,
00:30:22 --> 00:30:24 - where they don't understand power,
00:30:25 --> 00:30:25 - they understand
00:30:26 --> 00:30:27 - ideas and ideals,
00:30:28 --> 00:30:29 - and they understand
00:30:30 --> 00:30:32 - how their personal purity must be at all
00:30:32 --> 00:30:34 - moments in the political process,
00:30:35 --> 00:30:37 - something I violently disagree
00:30:37 --> 00:30:38 - with. But,
00:30:40 --> 00:30:42 - they don't do they don't play this way
00:30:42 --> 00:30:45 - most of the time. Very rarely. I mean,
00:30:45 --> 00:30:47 - in other words, a a constitution party in
00:30:47 --> 00:30:48 - a state
00:30:49 --> 00:30:51 - could gang up on a rhino
00:30:53 --> 00:30:55 - in in, a certain district
00:30:55 --> 00:30:57 - and then not run
00:30:58 --> 00:30:59 - not run-in other areas
00:31:00 --> 00:31:03 - where there is a more conservative Republican candidate,
00:31:03 --> 00:31:04 - and they could maybe
00:31:05 --> 00:31:07 - get something for doing this
00:31:07 --> 00:31:09 - from the Republican Party. Sorry, folks. This is
00:31:09 --> 00:31:11 - politics. We're not talking now
00:31:11 --> 00:31:12 - about tiddlywinks
00:31:13 --> 00:31:13 - and,
00:31:14 --> 00:31:15 - we're talking about full blast
00:31:16 --> 00:31:17 - electoral politics
00:31:18 --> 00:31:18 - power,
00:31:19 --> 00:31:19 - taking
00:31:20 --> 00:31:20 - power.
00:31:21 --> 00:31:24 - The only reason to be in politics, folks,
00:31:24 --> 00:31:26 - to take power
00:31:26 --> 00:31:28 - and to take as much of it onto
00:31:28 --> 00:31:29 - the movement you're
00:31:30 --> 00:31:30 - fostering
00:31:31 --> 00:31:33 - with the principles, with the values that you
00:31:33 --> 00:31:34 - hold
00:31:35 --> 00:31:37 - to move forward and be in a better
00:31:37 --> 00:31:39 - position in the future.
00:31:40 --> 00:31:42 - So but they don't do this. They generally
00:31:42 --> 00:31:44 - just don't ever do this. On the left,
00:31:44 --> 00:31:46 - they do. But even the green the greens
00:31:46 --> 00:31:47 - are kind of a wild card.
00:31:48 --> 00:31:49 - But what's happened
00:31:50 --> 00:31:51 - on the left
00:31:52 --> 00:31:54 - is they are they are doing what I've
00:31:54 --> 00:31:55 - argued for years
00:31:56 --> 00:31:59 - and including during the time when, I was
00:31:59 --> 00:32:01 - involved with doctor Paul, who was a third
00:32:01 --> 00:32:02 - party candidate,
00:32:02 --> 00:32:04 - and worked like hell to get a few
00:32:04 --> 00:32:05 - 100 votes
00:32:07 --> 00:32:08 - when when he decide to run as as
00:32:08 --> 00:32:09 - a Republican.
00:32:10 --> 00:32:12 - First of all, he was elected to congress.
00:32:13 --> 00:32:14 - Don't tell me he could have possibly been
00:32:14 --> 00:32:15 - elected to congress
00:32:16 --> 00:32:17 - in Texas
00:32:18 --> 00:32:19 - as a libertarian.
00:32:20 --> 00:32:21 - Sorry, folks.
00:32:22 --> 00:32:22 - No way.
00:32:23 --> 00:32:25 - But he didn't trim his sales.
00:32:26 --> 00:32:27 - He he expressed his beliefs,
00:32:28 --> 00:32:31 - but he used the Republican Party to get
00:32:31 --> 00:32:32 - in office, and he used the Republican
00:32:33 --> 00:32:35 - Party to have a huge platform,
00:32:35 --> 00:32:38 - to have huge impact on history and on
00:32:38 --> 00:32:40 - the future of this country when he ran
00:32:40 --> 00:32:42 - for president in 2008,
00:32:43 --> 00:32:45 - where I was involved to a degree, and
00:32:45 --> 00:32:46 - in 2012.
00:32:49 --> 00:32:49 - So
00:32:50 --> 00:32:52 - that's you know, I've made that argument, you
00:32:52 --> 00:32:55 - know, using him as I am right now,
00:32:55 --> 00:32:57 - that that is the better way.
00:32:58 --> 00:32:59 - And the Democrats
00:33:00 --> 00:33:01 - on the left,
00:33:01 --> 00:33:03 - well, they've certainly seen that because people that
00:33:03 --> 00:33:05 - were in all kinds of parties and a
00:33:05 --> 00:33:07 - lot of times, they keep their party organizations
00:33:08 --> 00:33:09 - intact,
00:33:09 --> 00:33:11 - these some of these third parties, but they're
00:33:11 --> 00:33:14 - still coming right into the Democrats through the
00:33:14 --> 00:33:14 - DSA,
00:33:15 --> 00:33:18 - through the Democratic Socialists of America. And guess
00:33:18 --> 00:33:20 - what? We're electing near communist
00:33:21 --> 00:33:22 - all over the country.
00:33:23 --> 00:33:26 - They're Democrats, folks. They're being elected as Democrats.
00:33:26 --> 00:33:28 - If they were running in the peace and
00:33:28 --> 00:33:30 - freedom party, they were running in the green
00:33:30 --> 00:33:33 - party, if they were running in the socialist
00:33:33 --> 00:33:34 - labor party,
00:33:34 --> 00:33:36 - they wouldn't be getting anywhere.
00:33:37 --> 00:33:39 - Open your eyes and see the tactics at
00:33:39 --> 00:33:40 - work and see the stratagem
00:33:41 --> 00:33:42 - that works.
00:33:44 --> 00:33:46 - But we have a problem in the GOP,
00:33:46 --> 00:33:49 - and that problem is the betrayal of Donald
00:33:49 --> 00:33:50 - Trump
00:33:51 --> 00:33:53 - and the fact that he has divided his
00:33:53 --> 00:33:54 - base.
00:33:54 --> 00:33:56 - It's not Tucker Carlson
00:33:57 --> 00:34:00 - and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie and
00:34:00 --> 00:34:00 - Joe Kent
00:34:01 --> 00:34:03 - and some of these other influencers
00:34:04 --> 00:34:06 - who may or may not get involved with
00:34:06 --> 00:34:08 - this third party thing. You know, Kansas Owens,
00:34:08 --> 00:34:08 - Alex Jones.
00:34:09 --> 00:34:10 - They're not dividing
00:34:11 --> 00:34:11 - the party.
00:34:12 --> 00:34:13 - It's Trump
00:34:14 --> 00:34:14 - betraying
00:34:15 --> 00:34:18 - the very words he put in his document,
00:34:18 --> 00:34:21 - his agenda 47,
00:34:21 --> 00:34:23 - when he tried to supplant project twenty twenty
00:34:23 --> 00:34:25 - five. I won't get into all of that
00:34:25 --> 00:34:25 - right now,
00:34:26 --> 00:34:28 - but mass deportations.
00:34:29 --> 00:34:30 - Where the hell are they?
00:34:31 --> 00:34:33 - How about the size of our government? Are
00:34:33 --> 00:34:34 - you aware?
00:34:35 --> 00:34:36 - Are you aware
00:34:38 --> 00:34:42 - that we have a about a $600000000000
00:34:42 --> 00:34:43 - dollar
00:34:44 --> 00:34:48 - federal budget and 4
00:34:48 --> 00:34:49 - of it
00:34:49 --> 00:34:52 - was added since Joe Biden came into the
00:34:52 --> 00:34:53 - White House.
00:34:54 --> 00:34:55 - Are you hearing me?
00:34:57 --> 00:35:00 - 7 of which 4
00:35:00 --> 00:35:01 - was added
00:35:02 --> 00:35:05 - by Biden and some of it retracted for
00:35:05 --> 00:35:06 - a couple years, but then it's added it
00:35:06 --> 00:35:08 - just added right up again.
00:35:09 --> 00:35:10 - The spending
00:35:11 --> 00:35:13 - is not just out of hand. It's just
00:35:13 --> 00:35:15 - not oh, it's not constitutional. It's not out
00:35:15 --> 00:35:18 - of hand. It's going to destroy this country,
00:35:18 --> 00:35:21 - which is exactly what our corporate masters want.
00:35:21 --> 00:35:23 - It is the worst.
00:35:24 --> 00:35:26 - And this is the thing that Ross Perot
00:35:26 --> 00:35:32 - ran on back in 1992.
00:35:33 --> 00:35:36 - There's that. There's the fact that 25.
00:35:37 --> 00:35:38 - However many you know, do I don't know
00:35:38 --> 00:35:40 - if we have a 100
00:35:40 --> 00:35:42 - illegal aliens in this country now, as Greg
00:35:42 --> 00:35:44 - Bovino says we do.
00:35:44 --> 00:35:47 - But we know we got 20 or 25
00:35:47 --> 00:35:47 - more
00:35:49 --> 00:35:50 - just since 2021.
00:35:51 --> 00:35:51 - Where
00:35:52 --> 00:35:53 - they gotta go, folks.
00:35:54 --> 00:35:56 - We're not going to beat America
00:35:57 --> 00:35:59 - at this rate, and everybody is saying.
00:36:00 --> 00:36:02 - Something else to think about if you're gonna
00:36:02 --> 00:36:04 - consider the third party.
00:36:05 --> 00:36:08 - Trump has pretty much sealed off the border.
00:36:08 --> 00:36:09 - He hasn't,
00:36:10 --> 00:36:10 - but
00:36:11 --> 00:36:14 - relatively speaking, he has. I mean, that numbers
00:36:14 --> 00:36:16 - like that are not coming in.
00:36:17 --> 00:36:19 - But if the we go back to the
00:36:19 --> 00:36:21 - systematic open border policy
00:36:22 --> 00:36:22 - and systematic
00:36:23 --> 00:36:23 - of
00:36:25 --> 00:36:27 - George Soros, of all these NGOs, of the
00:36:27 --> 00:36:28 - Democrat party,
00:36:29 --> 00:36:32 - we're gonna have another 25
00:36:32 --> 00:36:34 - before you could say Jack Robinson.
00:36:36 --> 00:36:38 - We're gonna lose this country, folks.
00:36:40 --> 00:36:40 - Very,
00:36:40 --> 00:36:42 - very serious. So we have the debt. We
00:36:42 --> 00:36:45 - have this problem not being addressed
00:36:47 --> 00:36:48 - meaningfully,
00:36:49 --> 00:36:50 - not really,
00:36:51 --> 00:36:52 - not systematically.
00:36:52 --> 00:36:54 - I've already talked about this.
00:36:55 --> 00:36:56 - The deep state,
00:36:57 --> 00:36:59 - we're finding out more and more. They did
00:36:59 --> 00:37:00 - this. They did that. The FBI
00:37:01 --> 00:37:04 - broke all the rules. They lied. Fauci lied.
00:37:04 --> 00:37:07 - Everybody lied. Hillary lied. Everybody
00:37:07 --> 00:37:10 - plotted against them. American citizens have plotted against
00:37:10 --> 00:37:12 - the civil rights of people and put hundreds
00:37:12 --> 00:37:14 - and hundreds of hundreds of people in jail
00:37:14 --> 00:37:16 - and took away their free speech.
00:37:16 --> 00:37:18 - And how many of them are paying for
00:37:18 --> 00:37:19 - it?
00:37:19 --> 00:37:20 - How many, folks?
00:37:22 --> 00:37:23 - How many are paying for it?
00:37:24 --> 00:37:25 - That's number three.
00:37:26 --> 00:37:29 - Total failure on Trump's part. And then number
00:37:29 --> 00:37:30 - four,
00:37:31 --> 00:37:32 - the war.
00:37:32 --> 00:37:33 - And that is the one
00:37:34 --> 00:37:35 - that is the real base
00:37:36 --> 00:37:36 - divider,
00:37:37 --> 00:37:37 - the most
00:37:38 --> 00:37:38 - divisive
00:37:39 --> 00:37:43 - of these four major areas of failure
00:37:44 --> 00:37:45 - of the Trump administration
00:37:45 --> 00:37:48 - and certainly of the GOP as we look
00:37:48 --> 00:37:50 - at the Congress, at the house, and the
00:37:50 --> 00:37:51 - senate.
00:37:53 --> 00:37:53 - And,
00:37:54 --> 00:37:57 - Trump was able to bridge that gap that
00:37:57 --> 00:37:59 - I talked about years ago with Ron Paul,
00:37:59 --> 00:38:01 - how people wouldn't listen to the rest of
00:38:01 --> 00:38:01 - his message
00:38:02 --> 00:38:05 - because he wasn't supporting president Bush on the
00:38:05 --> 00:38:05 - war
00:38:06 --> 00:38:07 - back in 2008.
00:38:08 --> 00:38:10 - It was still a problem in 2012.
00:38:11 --> 00:38:12 - But by 2016,
00:38:12 --> 00:38:13 - Donald Trump
00:38:13 --> 00:38:14 - had a way
00:38:15 --> 00:38:17 - of bridging this to where he could appeal
00:38:17 --> 00:38:19 - to the central base of the GOP
00:38:20 --> 00:38:22 - and still have an America first,
00:38:23 --> 00:38:24 - no war,
00:38:24 --> 00:38:26 - no new wars, no endless wars,
00:38:27 --> 00:38:28 - foreign policy.
00:38:29 --> 00:38:30 - We had that,
00:38:30 --> 00:38:33 - and he destroyed it with this Iran
00:38:34 --> 00:38:35 - mis
00:38:35 --> 00:38:36 - adventure.
00:38:38 --> 00:38:39 - And so
00:38:39 --> 00:38:41 - I get the angst,
00:38:42 --> 00:38:44 - and I don't quite have the answers because
00:38:44 --> 00:38:45 - the congress is worse.
00:38:46 --> 00:38:49 - We are still we still have the old
00:38:49 --> 00:38:50 - corporate
00:38:50 --> 00:38:52 - rhino machinery
00:38:52 --> 00:38:54 - electing members of Congress
00:38:55 --> 00:38:57 - and members of the United States Senate and
00:38:57 --> 00:39:00 - most of our governors that are GOP. All
00:39:00 --> 00:39:01 - of them, just about.
00:39:02 --> 00:39:05 - And so the Trump revolution, if you wanna
00:39:05 --> 00:39:06 - call it that, or MAGA,
00:39:07 --> 00:39:09 - did not penetrate down through. It did penetrate
00:39:09 --> 00:39:11 - up from the bottom, and we have a
00:39:11 --> 00:39:13 - ton of good party officials
00:39:14 --> 00:39:16 - all over the country that are with us,
00:39:17 --> 00:39:18 - that are Republicans.
00:39:19 --> 00:39:20 - And the infrastructures
00:39:20 --> 00:39:23 - already in place doesn't have to be rebuilt
00:39:24 --> 00:39:26 - or built, you know, built from the ground
00:39:26 --> 00:39:28 - up. It's not easy to build a third
00:39:28 --> 00:39:29 - party, folks.
00:39:29 --> 00:39:31 - I'm just gonna tell you right now. Not
00:39:31 --> 00:39:32 - a real one.
00:39:33 --> 00:39:36 - Okay? You can have a protest candidate for
00:39:36 --> 00:39:36 - president,
00:39:38 --> 00:39:41 - and you can try to coop the party
00:39:41 --> 00:39:42 - or bring a party back in,
00:39:43 --> 00:39:43 - you know,
00:39:44 --> 00:39:45 - by electing an independent,
00:39:46 --> 00:39:47 - as president.
00:39:49 --> 00:39:49 - But,
00:39:50 --> 00:39:52 - you know, what, you know, Tucker's got all
00:39:52 --> 00:39:53 - these points and everything.
00:39:54 --> 00:39:56 - He looks like, they look like they're trying
00:39:56 --> 00:39:58 - to set up a more permanent deal.
00:39:58 --> 00:39:59 - So okay.
00:40:00 --> 00:40:01 - Where's the money?
00:40:02 --> 00:40:04 - Where's the financing for this?
00:40:06 --> 00:40:07 - Where are the votes?
00:40:09 --> 00:40:12 - Where are the votes going to come from?
00:40:13 --> 00:40:13 - Because,
00:40:14 --> 00:40:16 - first of all, they're now opposing
00:40:18 --> 00:40:20 - a prior populist leader.
00:40:21 --> 00:40:24 - This isn't a populist rebellion against the establishment.
00:40:24 --> 00:40:27 - Actually, it is. But there's the perception
00:40:28 --> 00:40:30 - that Trump is still a populist,
00:40:31 --> 00:40:33 - And there's still a hell of a lot
00:40:33 --> 00:40:34 - of people believe that
00:40:35 --> 00:40:38 - and are still supportive of him. Now there's
00:40:38 --> 00:40:40 - a growing number of people who are not
00:40:42 --> 00:40:44 - who are seeing the sell out on these
00:40:44 --> 00:40:46 - issues I just mentioned and many others.
00:40:47 --> 00:40:49 - They're seeing Trump's aversion to the Bush model
00:40:50 --> 00:40:51 - in terms of,
00:40:52 --> 00:40:54 - doing things that big business people want
00:40:55 --> 00:40:56 - and then hoping to elect members of congress
00:40:56 --> 00:40:58 - and whatnot with a ton of money, which
00:40:58 --> 00:41:00 - just cements the whole system
00:41:00 --> 00:41:02 - deeper into place.
00:41:02 --> 00:41:04 - It's terrible, and we gotta fix it.
00:41:06 --> 00:41:08 - I just don't know
00:41:09 --> 00:41:10 - if we can fix it
00:41:11 --> 00:41:12 - with a third party.
00:41:14 --> 00:41:16 - Third party's first they're easy to infiltrate.
00:41:17 --> 00:41:19 - And this is the problem. Our enemy, our
00:41:19 --> 00:41:23 - enemy somehow infiltrated MAGA or infiltrated the brain
00:41:23 --> 00:41:25 - of Donald Trump. I don't know. I don't
00:41:25 --> 00:41:26 - even know what it is.
00:41:27 --> 00:41:29 - But throughout history, you know, Morgans,
00:41:30 --> 00:41:31 - the Morgans had a man
00:41:33 --> 00:41:35 - assigned to every fraction on the political,
00:41:37 --> 00:41:38 - game board,
00:41:39 --> 00:41:41 - on the political left to right continuum.
00:41:42 --> 00:41:44 - Read Terrell Quigley. He talks about it in
00:41:44 --> 00:41:46 - tragedy and hope, a book that's right behind
00:41:46 --> 00:41:47 - me.
00:41:48 --> 00:41:50 - A very good book. It's a big book.
00:41:50 --> 00:41:52 - It has a lot of good information in
00:41:52 --> 00:41:53 - it on a lot of things.
00:41:54 --> 00:41:56 - They're easy to infiltrate. They're easy to fracture
00:41:57 --> 00:42:00 - because people are purists. They want a we
00:42:00 --> 00:42:02 - want a pure party. We don't wanna compromise
00:42:02 --> 00:42:05 - anymore in the GOP to help those people.
00:42:05 --> 00:42:07 - Oh, we need our own party. Problem is
00:42:08 --> 00:42:10 - you get going and you gotta set up
00:42:10 --> 00:42:12 - all of these state structures and county structure,
00:42:12 --> 00:42:16 - precinct structures, the national committee, or whatever. If
00:42:16 --> 00:42:18 - you're gonna actually be a party,
00:42:19 --> 00:42:20 - your party governance,
00:42:21 --> 00:42:24 - these people bring that attitude there, and they
00:42:24 --> 00:42:26 - don't compromise. And they fight like hell, and
00:42:26 --> 00:42:27 - these parties fracture
00:42:27 --> 00:42:30 - the fighting in Perot's party. Unbelievable.
00:42:31 --> 00:42:32 - I should bring on,
00:42:33 --> 00:42:35 - James Edwards, who's also a host on Liberty
00:42:35 --> 00:42:36 - News Radio.
00:42:37 --> 00:42:39 - He was, around in,
00:42:40 --> 00:42:40 - 2000.
00:42:41 --> 00:42:42 - He was at the side of the great
00:42:42 --> 00:42:44 - man, Pat Buchanan,
00:42:45 --> 00:42:46 - when he ran against Donald Trump
00:42:47 --> 00:42:49 - and won the reform party nod nod in
00:42:49 --> 00:42:50 - 2000.
00:42:50 --> 00:42:52 - I mean, he'd tell you all about this.
00:42:53 --> 00:42:56 - Anyway, so that's a problem. Financing problem. Ballot
00:42:56 --> 00:42:56 - access.
00:42:57 --> 00:42:58 - Tremendous problem.
00:42:59 --> 00:43:00 - Huge organization
00:43:00 --> 00:43:03 - required. Lot of money required.
00:43:04 --> 00:43:06 - And so then, where are you gonna get
00:43:06 --> 00:43:06 - the votes?
00:43:07 --> 00:43:08 - Are you just gonna take some of the
00:43:08 --> 00:43:10 - GOP? How are you gonna get Democrats
00:43:12 --> 00:43:14 - to vote for you? Ross Perot was getting
00:43:14 --> 00:43:15 - a lot of Democrats
00:43:15 --> 00:43:16 - at that
00:43:16 --> 00:43:18 - time in 1992
00:43:19 --> 00:43:20 - to support him. That's how he got the
00:43:20 --> 00:43:22 - 50% in the polls.
00:43:24 --> 00:43:27 - George Wallace was getting Republicans and Democrats
00:43:28 --> 00:43:29 - for the success he had. Ron Paul was
00:43:29 --> 00:43:31 - getting Republicans and Democrats.
00:43:33 --> 00:43:35 - How are you gonna do that in the,
00:43:36 --> 00:43:37 - the fractious
00:43:37 --> 00:43:39 - world we have today?
00:43:40 --> 00:43:41 - What issues are you gonna use? And are
00:43:41 --> 00:43:42 - you gonna compromise
00:43:43 --> 00:43:43 - on
00:43:44 --> 00:43:47 - immigration? Sounds like it. Listening to Tucker. Tucker's
00:43:47 --> 00:43:49 - proposal on immigration as he expressed it the
00:43:49 --> 00:43:51 - other night sounds a lot
00:43:51 --> 00:43:54 - like the libertarians who just say, take away
00:43:54 --> 00:43:57 - all the economic incentives and they'll all leave.
00:43:58 --> 00:44:00 - I don't believe that for a minute.
00:44:01 --> 00:44:01 - Okay?
00:44:02 --> 00:44:05 - Let's take all the economic incentives away, and
00:44:05 --> 00:44:08 - let's celebrate all the people that decide to
00:44:08 --> 00:44:10 - leave our country that are here illegally
00:44:11 --> 00:44:12 - and go somewhere else.
00:44:13 --> 00:44:15 - But I'm not counting on that.
00:44:16 --> 00:44:18 - I am not counting on that at all.
00:44:19 --> 00:44:20 - So where are you going to get the
00:44:20 --> 00:44:21 - votes?
00:44:21 --> 00:44:23 - Where are you going to be able to
00:44:23 --> 00:44:24 - win a congressional
00:44:24 --> 00:44:25 - district?
00:44:25 --> 00:44:27 - Where are you going to be able to
00:44:27 --> 00:44:29 - get electoral votes in a state?
00:44:31 --> 00:44:33 - Are are you are you thinking that this
00:44:33 --> 00:44:34 - will take two or three presidential
00:44:35 --> 00:44:37 - election cycles to really get off the ground?
00:44:38 --> 00:44:40 - If so, we don't have that much time,
00:44:40 --> 00:44:41 - folks.
00:44:41 --> 00:44:43 - Not even close.
00:44:44 --> 00:44:46 - We've gotta have a movement that can galvanize
00:44:47 --> 00:44:49 - a populous base. It might not be quite
00:44:49 --> 00:44:51 - the same one that Trump galvanized around.
00:44:52 --> 00:44:54 - We might be losing our Chris some of
00:44:54 --> 00:44:55 - our Christian evangelical
00:44:56 --> 00:44:58 - brothers and sisters that wanna stay till Israel
00:44:58 --> 00:45:00 - with Israel till the death.
00:45:01 --> 00:45:03 - But, you know, what is your base gonna
00:45:03 --> 00:45:05 - be? What's your position gonna be on abortion?
00:45:05 --> 00:45:06 - Are you just gonna be pro life all
00:45:06 --> 00:45:09 - the way? That's gonna be a big problem
00:45:09 --> 00:45:10 - to get a lot a lot of Democrats
00:45:11 --> 00:45:13 - across at this point. Same with immigration.
00:45:14 --> 00:45:15 - How about guns?
00:45:15 --> 00:45:17 - You'll be second amendment all the way. What
00:45:17 --> 00:45:18 - are you gonna do about some of these
00:45:18 --> 00:45:20 - other issues? Are you going to compromise on
00:45:20 --> 00:45:22 - some of these other issues that many of
00:45:22 --> 00:45:24 - us consider to be core issues
00:45:25 --> 00:45:26 - to get new voters
00:45:26 --> 00:45:29 - into your party when you're just dividing
00:45:30 --> 00:45:32 - one of the two current parties?
00:45:34 --> 00:45:35 - It's a problem.
00:45:35 --> 00:45:37 - But at the same time, folks
00:45:38 --> 00:45:38 - I mean,
00:45:39 --> 00:45:42 - Tucker's analysis I mean, we've got a foreign
00:45:42 --> 00:45:42 - government
00:45:44 --> 00:45:45 - running our government
00:45:46 --> 00:45:48 - right now, and that's I I keep I've
00:45:48 --> 00:45:49 - been putting it off,
00:45:50 --> 00:45:52 - I think next week. Hopefully next week.
00:45:53 --> 00:45:55 - It will be the Zionist factor to end
00:45:55 --> 00:45:57 - my American tyranny series.
00:45:58 --> 00:46:00 - The Zionist factor because
00:46:00 --> 00:46:02 - it's it is the factor
00:46:03 --> 00:46:04 - right now. You have
00:46:04 --> 00:46:06 - policy analysts that have nothing to do with
00:46:06 --> 00:46:09 - the anti Semitic world and nothing to do
00:46:09 --> 00:46:10 - with the extreme far right,
00:46:10 --> 00:46:13 - saying that we're turning into a bipolar world,
00:46:13 --> 00:46:16 - which is the dominance of Israel
00:46:18 --> 00:46:21 - over our foreign policy and the dominance and
00:46:21 --> 00:46:23 - influence they also have to a degree in
00:46:23 --> 00:46:25 - some of the places in Europe and the
00:46:25 --> 00:46:27 - Chinese. Not us and the Chinese.
00:46:29 --> 00:46:30 - Story for another day.
00:46:31 --> 00:46:33 - But not that hard to explain when we're
00:46:33 --> 00:46:35 - sitting in this war when Trump destroyed his
00:46:35 --> 00:46:36 - political movement
00:46:37 --> 00:46:38 - for these damn people.
00:46:39 --> 00:46:40 - I mean, he did.
00:46:40 --> 00:46:42 - He may not think he was going he
00:46:42 --> 00:46:43 - may not have thought
00:46:44 --> 00:46:45 - that was going to be the outcome,
00:46:46 --> 00:46:49 - but that's the outcome. So I get it.
00:46:50 --> 00:46:53 - I get it. And, you know, the debt,
00:46:53 --> 00:46:56 - we can't we we gotta make fundamental changes
00:46:56 --> 00:46:57 - and soon.
00:46:59 --> 00:47:00 - So I get
00:47:01 --> 00:47:04 - the extremity of the situation that, you know,
00:47:04 --> 00:47:04 - the GOP
00:47:05 --> 00:47:07 - ain't getting it done. They're destroying Maha.
00:47:08 --> 00:47:10 - We're we're gonna have the flu shot now,
00:47:10 --> 00:47:11 - mRNA flu shots,
00:47:12 --> 00:47:13 - approved by the Maha
00:47:15 --> 00:47:16 - Trump administration.
00:47:20 --> 00:47:21 - You know?
00:47:21 --> 00:47:22 - Folks,
00:47:22 --> 00:47:23 - we got big problems.
00:47:24 --> 00:47:26 - We got big problems. We got big betrayal.
00:47:26 --> 00:47:28 - And so there is gonna be a market
00:47:29 --> 00:47:32 - for what, Tucker is brewing here and his
00:47:32 --> 00:47:33 - friends.
00:47:33 --> 00:47:36 - There's no doubt about that. It I'm in
00:47:36 --> 00:47:36 - that market.
00:47:38 --> 00:47:39 - But
00:47:39 --> 00:47:40 - I don't see
00:47:41 --> 00:47:43 - right now, I don't see the path
00:47:45 --> 00:47:46 - in a practical way.
00:47:49 --> 00:47:50 - Remember, take power,
00:47:50 --> 00:47:51 - not make a statement.
00:47:52 --> 00:47:54 - Not say, well, I'm I just wanna make
00:47:54 --> 00:47:56 - a pure statement. No. No. We have to
00:47:56 --> 00:47:57 - take power.
00:47:58 --> 00:48:01 - We have to take power. And secondly,
00:48:01 --> 00:48:04 - we have to have mass
00:48:04 --> 00:48:05 - deportations.
00:48:06 --> 00:48:07 - Not an option.
00:48:07 --> 00:48:10 - So we'll see what happens as time moves
00:48:10 --> 00:48:10 - on.
00:48:11 --> 00:48:14 - You're listening to Hour of Decision on Liberty
00:48:14 --> 00:48:15 - News Radio. My name is Lou Moore, and
00:48:15 --> 00:48:17 - I will talk to you again
00:48:17 --> 00:48:18 - next week.