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[00:01:15] And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we have traveled from Croatia to Australia. Tonight is our march around the world rolls on once again, representing the land down under is the one and only Professor Andrew Fraser, a mainstay on this annual showcase. And we are thankful to have him back tonight. He is a former professor of law at Macquarie University in Sydney and the author of several books,
[00:01:43] including a brand new one that we'll be focusing on a little bit later this hour. But don't forget the WASP question, dissident dispatches and so much more back once again to represent Australia. Yeah, what he is is our second guest on the march around the world from the southern hemisphere, right? That is exactly right so far this year. And we welcome him now where it is as we broadcast live tonight at a little bit past eight o'clock central time on Saturday evening in Memphis.
[00:02:12] It's Wednesday afternoon. We're cutting into Drew's beauty sleep. Yeah, that's right. No, no, no. It's straight up one o'clock in the afternoon. Oh, good. Yeah, no, he's fine. How are you doing, Drew? Great to have you back. All right. Although it is nap time. Indeed, my friend. Indeed. Well, let's listen. We've got a lot to cover with you tonight.
[00:02:40] Exciting new book just published by Arctos, Christian Nationalism vs. Global Jesus. We're going to focus on that in the latter part of this hour, maybe a little bit before that. But this is another book along with Dissident Dispatches where Drew, who got a degree in divinity after his professional career. That's another whole fascinating story. You've got to go back to the broadcast archives to catch all of this, folks. We can't cover it all again. Well, I have to ask him this, though.
[00:03:08] Have you ever heard of Jim Dawson, who is one of our guests occasionally, a guy from Northern Ireland who has set up a kind of throwback Anglican church? Oh? Yeah, but you need to look him up. He's an interesting guy. Well, we'll get to all that. We'll get to all that. I will send you the link, Drew.
[00:03:28] And by the way, speaking of links, the link to Drew's book, go to ThePoliticalSessible.org, click on the promo for tonight's live broadcast, click on Professor Andrew Fraser's name, and you'll go over to the book sales page there at Arctos. We'll get to all that. But first, anyway, too much talk. Let's go to Australia. Drew, how are our people doing in Australia? We were talking about this in queue with you.
[00:03:50] How is you said the ruling class is receiving Trump's changes here in America, very similarly to those in Western Europe, not Eastern Europe, and certainly not those of us here in America. What's happening there versus the man on the street in Australia? Well, I mean, the big problem or issue here as elsewhere in the Anglosphere is immigration. They have ramped it up to insane levels.
[00:04:18] This is a country with a population of, let's say, roughly 25 million. There are 1 million international students, mainly from India and China here. At a time when housing is almost impossible to find and certainly to buy for ordinary people.
[00:04:46] So you're in a kind of a crisis situation. But the ruling class, the ruling elite is living pretty high on the hub. All right. So they are not yet being swept away by the changes that are at least happening in through executive order here in the United States. That is not yet made it all the way down to the South Pacific. Now, Drew, let me ask you this.
[00:05:16] Which of those two groups of immigrants do you find most threatening to traditional Australian values and culture? The Indians or the Chinese? I would say the Indians. I mean, they are, I guess you would say the man in the street would definitely say the Indians. I mean, the Chinese are less offensive personally.
[00:05:44] They tend to be more mild-mannered and so on. And you don't... Less clannish. Clannish, yes. Well, but so are the Indians, right? I mean, indeed, there are several clans of Indians, the Hindus, the Sikhs, and so on. But they're all... What can you say?
[00:06:10] I mean, they are more identified with various kinds of scams in the popular mind and in reality, I would say. Well, let me tell you, in America, they say that when you hire one Indian into a company, the next thing you know, your whole employee staff is Indian. Yeah. Yeah. The Chinese tend to be a little lower key about the whole thing.
[00:06:39] They're trying to do the same thing. But the Indians are, you know, we've got Vivac Ramaswani and, you know, others who are basically, you know, they're interested in taking over all tech jobs in America, for example. Well, Drew, this actually leads me to something I want to ask you, because, again, we would normally spend the entire hour on just topics pertaining to Australia, with you being our Australian representative.
[00:07:05] They're a little bit past noon on Sunday afternoon as we broadcast live on Saturday evening. That always just boggles my mind. I say that every year and it still boggles the mind. Anyway, but we're going to get to your book. Look, but let's first talk about this. I mean, what Keith was talking about, immigration, demographics. So what is the situation with those two key issues pertaining to identity in Australia? We think of Australia as being a white country, but you only have 25 million people there total.
[00:07:35] Yeah. And it's not going to take near as many as it would take in America to really disrupt your culture. No, that's true. And indeed, earlier, a couple of months ago, I went, drove to Adelaide, which is the capital of South Australia on the south coast, to visit my son.
[00:07:58] And I was absolutely astonished to discover that in his suburb, this little suburb called Lightsview in Adelaide, it was basically swamped, as they used to say, with Indians, Chinese, and even Africans.
[00:08:20] And I had just assumed that Adelaide was still a predominantly overwhelmingly white Australian city, but things are changing even there. Now, do you get a lot of refugees from South Africa, white refugees or not? Over in Western Australia, there is a significant number.
[00:08:45] In fact, I mean, they came very early on, and I suppose their numbers have increased, but even 20 years ago, there were quite a few. All right, let's talk about this. So overall, what is the bottom line with regards to immigration and demographics in Australia? You know, again, Australia has such a fascinating history. I mean, basically a prison population, the whites that Europe didn't want.
[00:09:12] What it showed was the superiority of the English race, basically. Basically, you take people scrubbed out from the bottom of the barrel in a society, give them freedom, get them out of that pernicious caste system they have in England, and give them opportunity, and they will turn any place into a garden spot, as indeed they turned Australia. So bottom line on immigration and demographics before we move on, Drew, with regards to Australia.
[00:09:40] The bottom line is that it's really getting extremely worrying on the, what could you say, the social cohesion front, the fertility rate front. I mean, it is very, very difficult, if not next to impossible, for young people to form families,
[00:10:10] get a house and form families. That's what really I find, personally and socially, the most disturbing aspect of what's going on, because we are definitely being replaced. I mean, the fewer white Australians that are born, the more the government feels it has permission to bring in more Indians, Chinese, and Africans.
[00:10:39] What's the fertility rate for the whites in Australia now? Oh, lower than the replacement. Get one point something. I did a survey on this very recently, I think back in January. Every white nation I could think of, what is the birth rate of X nation, and it was all below two. All below two. We'll be right back with Drew. Drew Fraser, stay tuned. Marxists are the sworn enemy of Western civilization.
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[00:13:36] Folks, I'm not lying to you. I look forward to March every year because I know Drew Fraser is going to be back on the show. Keith, we're big fans of Drew. Straight up. Yeah, we'd love to have him. We've met him before. He's a great guy. We want him over here again. But he's on an outpost. He's out there on an island, literally. Well, we've got to have somebody out there. Right, and we have to have somebody that is, you know, a solid-based person that can give us real skinny on what's happening down there. And Drew fits that bill perfectly. We can't spare you, Drew. That's the thing.
[00:14:06] So you're just going to have to keep on keeping on. We're going to be talking about in the last half of this hour his brand new book, Christian Nationalism vs. Global Jesus, Projects of Peoplehood from Biblical Israel to the Collapse of British Patriotism. And this is a fascinating topic. I mean, near and dear to our hearts. And, of course, I mean, Drew has such an interesting story having his career as a professor and then going back to school. And he came from Canada originally, right?
[00:14:33] To get a degree in theology. And I loved how you described that experience as your seminary was like MSNBC at prayer. Yeah, well, what we used to like to say, what I used to say, Pandit, was that these churches, particularly mainline Protestant churches, have exchanged the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John for the Gospels of Peter, Paul, and Mary. And that's been, I'm sure, universal all the way down there to the Southern Hemisphere.
[00:15:01] Well, anyway, Drew, let's get back to one more segment on Australia, and then we're going to go to this other topic. But you write about, you and I were exchanging emails earlier this week about what we were talking about. Nationalist resistance, though, in Australia. What are we talking about when I ask you about the British Australian community and even the National Socialist Network down there? Yeah, well, I mean, the British Australian community is a new organization.
[00:15:27] It's a measure of how atomized Anglo-Australians are, that it's only in the last couple of years that a group of people got together to try to serve as a sort of an ethnic lobby group on behalf of the British descended people here in Australia.
[00:15:53] And that's, I guess you'd say, I don't know, are you familiar with Frank Salter, author of On Genetic? Yeah, he was the first president of the British Australian community.
[00:16:09] And it's had a lot of success in attracting people, but it's still, in public terms, in terms of the political class, it's essentially invisible because it doesn't have the power to make... Well, Salter was around since the 50s, wasn't he, or at least the 60s. He's got a real lineage. Yeah, well, he was a student in the late 60s and 70s.
[00:16:39] Then he spent years in Germany, came back, what, maybe 25 years ago. Yeah, and has since become quite an important fixture on, what could you say, the Anglo-dissident right. White advocacy in Australia. And the Anglosphere generally. What about this anti-white crackdown, though?
[00:17:09] I mean, to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You know, one of the other, I mean, I think you'd say, comparatively speaking, the BAC is a relatively conservative group.
[00:17:23] But on the other hand, and especially down in Melbourne, what could you say, Anglo-nationalism or white nationalism is becoming quite an active movement. And there are a couple of leaders of that group called the National Socialist Network.
[00:17:51] Tom Sewell and Joel Davis are the best known of them. And they have been making a lot of waves down there and being quite effective in, what could you say, resisting the replacement of Anglo-Australians and so on.
[00:18:17] But they're getting a lot of pushback from the powers that be.
[00:18:25] And especially, one of the most notable things about that pushback is the role of the Jewish community here in Australia, which has become, in the aftermath of October the 7th, I suppose, incredibly paranoid about the rise in anti-Semitism.
[00:18:49] And so they've been pushing the government at the governments at both the state and the federal level to introduce ever more repressive hate speech laws and so on.
[00:19:07] I mean, for example, I mean, if you throw a Roman, as they say, a Heil Hitler salute, you can now spend a year in jail. Why am I not surprised that the Jews are at the head of this opposition? Yeah, well, it's true.
[00:19:27] And it's not, I mean, and the amazing thing is that in introducing and justifying this crackdown on free speech and so on, the governments will actually say we're doing it because we've got to make the world safe for the Jewish community. There is so much anti-Semitism.
[00:19:55] But the people, and of course, you know, a lot of it is coming from the Muslims who Jews agitated to have imported here to break down white Australia. But anyway, so there's, but the real... That's interesting, isn't it? Yes. Yeah. I always do that. Careful what you wish. Yeah. Exactly. Well, continue on.
[00:20:25] Your dream might come true. You just said it. So anyway, continue on. Well, you know, I mean, and the irony is, of course, you know, that with the crackdown in Gaza and Trump's plan to ethnically clean Gaza, of course, the Jews here are urging the government to take in some of the deported Palestinians. But then...
[00:20:52] Yeah, so they want to flood white countries with these people by their, you know, as Kevin McDonald puts it, their evolutionary behavioral psychology leads them to want this. And then they don't, but they don't have enough foresight to understand that, hey, you know, for those of us living in these places, this isn't going to be good for us. These people... Yeah, they'll find out where the Jews live like they do in America. It's right around the synagogues. And next thing you know, they'll be there. Well, I mean, we don't want that, but that's a thing.
[00:21:18] But so anyway, so basically, I think I can surmise, Drew, and we're going to wrap this up in the last half hour. It's going to be all about your book, which you can find, Christian Nationalism vs. Global Jesus, out now. Brand new release by Arctos. It's on Amazon. You can go to arctos.com, Europe's leading alternative publisher. But it sounds like what you're saying, Drew, basically is the positive change that we're experiencing here in America.
[00:21:47] And we're beginning to reach a consensus with people like Jared Taylor and Kevin McDonald and Nick Griffin and Paul Fromm. And earlier tonight, your fellow March Around the World participant, Tom Sunich in Croatia, all basically warming to Trump in big ways. But that hasn't quite washed ashore to Australia yet. And so with regards to foreign policy and defense and other issues, the political class's reaction to Trump has been underwhelming.
[00:22:16] Well, I mean, well, their reaction to him has been very much in opposition. Yeah. I would say so, yes. And especially because there are groups like the National Socialist Network. For example, I mean, in reaction to the crackdown on free speech, this group down in Melbourne held a rally at the state parliament,
[00:22:43] unfurled this big banner saying Jews hate freedom. And they were immediately attacked and rounded up. And, you know, and the result was that a while later on January 26th, Australia Day, they were holding a kind of a rally in Adelaide at the war memorial.
[00:23:10] And, you know, this is what people do on Australia Day in Australia, right? You go down and you have a patriotic rally, right? But these people were the members of the National Socialist Movement were 16 of them were arrested on a charge of loitering and thrown in jail for three days before they could even apply for bail.
[00:23:41] And one of them is still in jail because he refused to accept the bail conditions. So it's really quite amazing just how gross it is becoming. Well, there you have it. I'll tell you. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Well, there's just such a time zone differential between us and Australia. Hopefully it just hasn't gotten there yet.
[00:24:09] And when we talk to you again next year, Drew, don't go anywhere yet, folks, because we've still got, I think, perhaps the most important 30 minutes of this interview still to come as we talk about Drew's book, Christian Nationalism vs. Global Jesus, a brand new release from Arctos. But hopefully what's happening here will eventually impact trends around the world.
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[00:30:29] Now, as we continue this March Around the World, Keith, why are we showcasing I'll Never Find Another You with Drew Frazier from Australia tonight? I believe it was the first Australian band to have a number one record in America. And I think that the number one was Georgie Girl, but this was a particularly good song featuring the lead singer Judith Durham, who had the voice of an angel.
[00:30:54] They came by in the, what you call the folk singing era in America. And Keith Vogel, I think his name was, I may be wrong about the last name, heard a song by an American folk singing group called the Rooftop Singers called Walk Right In, Sit Right Down, which was by an old American, a Memphian blues singer called Gus Cannon.
[00:31:20] And he was so taken with the sound of that 12-string guitar that he played 12-string guitar on just about every Seeker's record. All right. Well, again, the more you know, that's just another service we provide here at TPC. But, Drew, I mean, listen, I mean, what we want is honest assessments. That's what we do during March Around the World. And what we want is a frank assessment on what's going on.
[00:31:45] It doesn't sound like things have changed yet in Australia, but hope does spring. While we breathe, we hope. But let's pause it right there and move forward on this. And this is your new book, Christian Nationalism vs. Global Jesus. But before we get into the topics of it, I just want to remind people that you had such a successful career,
[00:32:10] professor of law at a prestigious university there in Australia, and then you went back to school. You went back to the seminary. I'm plotting for punishment. You went back to seminary. Why did you do that? Why did you do that? Well, you know, I had my little adventures when I criticized African immigration back in 2005. Don't we all remember? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:32:39] And I noticed that the most bitter criticism of me came from my fellow wasps, basically. And I just kept thinking about that for a couple of years.
[00:33:00] And it struck me that it's symptomatic of a spiritual crisis among Anglo-Saxons, especially Anglo-Protestants in the post-war era. And, okay, spiritual crisis. Let's check out whether theology has anything to say about this.
[00:33:27] So I enrolled for a theology degree part-time and spent six years doing that.
[00:33:36] And I quickly or, well, quickly and then slowly over and over again, I found out what it was about Anglo-Protestantism that is really destroying, what could you say, Anglo-Saxon societies.
[00:34:01] Well, that's interesting because, I mean, at the time that you went to seminary, which is, again, basically after you had retired and you were just looking for a fun time. But and so you went there at a time when, you know, the head table of these Protestant denominations, especially, well, I mean, Catholicism, too, I guess, you know, we're at their nadir. And I can relate to that.
[00:34:29] And so you experienced this, as you said, it was like going to theology school, was experiencing MSNBC at prayer. But you went through it and you got your degree. And two books later, here we are now.
[00:34:45] So you wrote the book Dissident Dispatches, an alt-right guide to Christian theology, which I had the opportunity and really, frankly, drew the honor of appearing with you at an event in Arkansas, of all places, when you were on that book tour. And I can't wait to see you again, by the way, on this one. But I digress. This has been something that has certainly fascinated you. And it is fascinating, you know, Christianity and Europe.
[00:35:14] And you were on a podcast recently, I mean, just a few days ago that I watched. And thank you for sending me that link. You know, talk about how Christianity took Europe and the ramifications of that going back, obviously, now many centuries.
[00:35:32] Okay, well, I mean, essentially, what I'm trying to do in this latest book is explain what it, why, let's, let me just wind back a bit. Here in Australia, Australia is famous for the White Australia Policy, okay?
[00:35:51] So back in 1901, when the Commonwealth of Australia was founded, the first act the new parliament passed was the Immigration Restriction Act. And this was a time when British race patriotism was at its high watermark.
[00:36:15] And the churches, the Protestant churches in Australia were 100%, or at least 95%, behind that proposition, that Australia was a British country and a British country it should remain. Then you get World War II, the evil Nazis and so on.
[00:36:44] And the worst thing in the world becomes nationalism, especially in a white country. Okay. And, of course, the Anglo-Protestant churches immediately fell behind that new dispensation.
[00:37:06] And essentially decided what their main duty was, was to escape Anglo-Saxon captivity. You don't think the Jewish power and influence had anything to do with that, do you, Jerry? Oh, sure. Well, yes. Yeah. There's no question about it.
[00:37:31] But, but, but it was actually, you know, even before the Holocaust thing became the new religion, there was a kind of a way in which the Church of England, especially in England, had decided that the Nazis were the worst thing in the world. But that they, but they were pagans and they were pagans because they were racist or racist
[00:38:01] because they were pagans or something. But in any case, I mean, they really, and so it was a kind of an anti-racist sort of thing that was, you know, quite powerful among Anglo-Protestants themselves. Well, I mean, you know, I mean, of course, I mean, we muddied the waters a bit, but let's not forget that a lot of Germans in the 1930s and 40s were Christians. You can call them Nazis or National Socialists if you so choose.
[00:38:30] Yeah, I don't think, I don't think that Hitler ever took a directly anti-Christian view. In fact, what he was trying to do was to save Germany from the Weimar Republic vibe, which was, of course, a Jewish vibe. Well, all right, let's get into this. Let's just, you know, I don't want to get stuck in the tall grass, but let's talk about the new book. So again, Drew, this is out by Arktos Media, A-R-K-T-O-S dot com.
[00:39:00] And you can just do a search for Andrew Frazer, F-R-A-S-E-R. Or if you want to make it really simple for you folks, the book we're talking about right now, go to ThePoliticalSessable.org. Click on Andrew Frazer's name during tonight's weekly promo of the guests who are appearing this evening, and you're going to go straight to the book sales page. That's the easiest way to do it. And we're talking about Christian nationalism versus global Jesus. And this is the synopsis.
[00:39:29] This book sheds much-needed light on contemporary controversies surrounding the seemingly oxymoronic phenomenon of Christian nationalism, past, present, and future as problem and as solution. Part one explores the ostensibly biblical foundations of Christian nationalism, the first century Jesus movement and the early Christian church in Greco-Roman antiquity.
[00:39:55] Part two examines the extent to which the rise and fall of early medieval Anglo-Saxon Christendom was influenced by the project of peoplehood reflected by the Hebrew Bible. In part three, the focus shifts to modern history culminating in the post-Christian collapse of British patriotism. Does the contemporary crisis of Anglo-Protestant political theology stem from a failure to recognize in the historical Jesus
[00:40:24] the model for the miraculous appearance of the patriot king? The religious, political, and civil institutions of the Anglosphere now oversee the deliberate degeneration of the historic Anglo cultures into mere economic zones populated by rootless, shifting masses of morally debased monads. What a back-page blurb.
[00:40:50] Could a patriot king spark the reformation of the existing order of things? So this is it. I mean, Drew, let's get to it. You can find the publisher. Again, just go to thepoliticalsessable.org, click on Drew Fraser's name, and you'll go straight to the book sales page. But, I mean, this is a big topic. I mean, this is a topic that in nationalist circles has been debated for time immemorial, the Christianity versus nationalism versus all of it, and how congruent is it?
[00:41:20] Well, the church has really failed in bringing any type of leadership to the plight of white people. Now, you're talking about the current church, not necessarily the— Right. Certainly not the church of Charles Martel or John Sobieski. But everything from the 60s, everything in the lifetime of all three people on this conversation, it's been a negative force. All right, all right, I got you. All right, let's go to the author. Drew, your book, Christian Nationalism versus Global Jesus, what is it all about?
[00:41:46] Okay, what I'm essentially trying to do is make a case for the proposition that the historical Jesus was not—did not come to save the whole of humanity. He came, and Paul followed in his footsteps, he came to save the lost sheep of Israel, in effect.
[00:42:16] Okay, so his theology was very much an ethno-theology. He was coming—he was working within a paradigm of what you might call Israelitism. Okay? I mean, and the church—and in effect, I mean, you know, it was based upon a kind of an understanding
[00:42:43] of the history of ancient Israel, connected especially to the exile of the ten northern tribes. Okay? Okay? Okay? People like Paul were quite convinced that it was part of God's plan to have those rebellious northern tribes exiled into that Gentile world.
[00:43:12] And over the course of time, they would become assimilated. And they would—that later on, with the coming of Christ, their Israelite DNA could be reactivated, and they would become a light unto those nations. Okay? To like the Gentiles.
[00:43:35] So essentially, you know, and so, you know, the historical Jesus was a national Jesus. Now, why is that relevant to the issue of Christian nationalism in the contemporary United States? Because even Christian nationalists, such as Stephen Wolf, who's written now a very well-known book called
[00:44:04] The Case for Christian Nationalism, operates on the presumption that Jesus is the Lord of the universe. He is—he came to save humanity.
[00:44:24] And so, well, and I may try to make a case for the proposition that that is to distort biblical reality, the historical experience of Jesus and the nature of the Bible. Okay?
[00:44:51] And so I would really like Christian nationalists to recognize that Christianity is not a universal religion, and shouldn't be. Yes. You know, that—and that it was—and that in effect, that if you go back to the Bible, where did the Hebrew Bible come from?
[00:45:20] The case I try to make in this book is that it was not written by Moses. It was the product of Jewish scribes working for a couple of centuries in the Hellenic period, post Alexander the Great.
[00:45:40] And what they were trying to do was to create a kind of a national story of the then Jewish people in Judea and in the Greco-Roman diaspora and so on, that they would give them a kind of a national myth and a sense of who they were, where they came from, and where they were going.
[00:46:10] And that was essentially carried through, in effect, into the New Testament, both in the Gospels, the synoptic Gospels, to a lesser extent in John, but also in Paul and his— Well, you know— They were seeking—sorry, go ahead.
[00:46:38] I was going to say, one thing we need to remember is that in all the non-white world, Christianity is basically recognized by all of those people as a white man's religion. Is that wrong or right? Yeah. No, I don't know. I can't speak for them, but I can see why they would. I mean, like, it can't be an accident that we have yet to have a black pope, although it can't be too far away in the future. They're working on that. They're working on that.
[00:47:16] They're working on that. And the American Anglo-Protestant Christian nationalist is that it really is a mistake to think of Christian nationalism as something that's all about making every nation throughout the world Christian.
[00:47:42] And the Christian part of that is just universal. And every individual nation can have its particular quirks. But those particular quirks have nothing whatever to do with the spirit—with the religious experience of being English or German or French or whatever.
[00:48:09] I mean, the way I try to establish that case in the first premise is that the Anglo-Saxon Christendom in the time of Alfred the Great was essentially just like ancient Israel,
[00:48:35] the ancient Hebrew Bible, a project of peoplehood. They used the Hebrew Bible. The Old Testament was what really caught their attention.
[00:48:49] And they wanted to make the Anglo-Saxon tribes in England who were disunited and warring with each other into a united nation that could be just as holy as ancient Israel. All right. And they succeeded for a time until the Norman Conquest.
[00:49:15] Let me ask you this, Drew, because we're running short on time and I think we could have gone—we could have gone a full hour on this—I mean, we've barely even scratched the surface. We've barely even given the name, much less the contents. We could have gone the whole entire three hours with you tonight. Yeah. And it would have been time well spent. But I want to remind folks, Arktos.com, A-R-K-T-O-S.com. Go there.
[00:49:40] Put in the search query for Andrew Fraser, F-R-A-S-E-R, and you'll find the book. This is it, Drew. This is a fascinating topic. It's, as a Christian, one that has been a foundational pillar of this program. There are—there is—there does exist a muscular brand of nationalistic Christianity, Christian nationalism. Some people say that's an oxymoron.
[00:50:09] But there is a muscular brand of Christianity that does exist. You know the players in that movement, and so do I. Yeah. And so let me ask you this, as I encourage people to, again, find the book, Christian Nationalism vs. Global Jesus, Arktos.com. Can Christianity—I mean, we know the history. Hey, without the uniting of the tribes underneath the banner of Christ, perhaps we don't prevail at Vienna. Perhaps we don't prevail at Tours.
[00:50:39] We know the history. Can Christianity be a boon for our people going forward? Answer that question. Christendom was Europe. Europe was Christendom. All right. Can it be—
[00:50:54] And for—I mean, I think in the Anglosphere, it should be possible for the Anglican Church in the various Anglo-South countries, what were once Anglo-Saxon countries, to start its mission on the basis that we are a people.
[00:51:24] And the church should be of this people, by this people, for this people, not for the whole of humanity. Every nation should have its own church.
[00:51:40] Because we start from the reality that we are a people, and our religion comes from our experience of being an extended family. That's why we feel the vibes of the divine when we're in our own little family at home, a nuclear family, an extended family, a nation.
[00:52:11] That's—that's—let's not forget, the Israel that gave birth to Jesus Christ was a nation. And he saw himself as inextricably tied to the fate of that nation. People don't understand the lesson of the Tower of Babel episode in the Bible that think that, you know, we're all supposed to be blended into one. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
[00:52:40] And then there's, again, the website faithinheritage.com. It has long since ceased publishing articles, but the archive is still there, faithinheritage.com. There is a fantastic treatment there on the basically tying in Christianity to ethno-nationalism, and I would encourage people to check that out. But, of course, we've got the man himself here right now.
[00:53:09] The title of that is A Biblical Defense of Ethno-Nationalism. And if you can't find a good church to go to, like I said earlier in the broadcast, look up Jim Dawson. It's D-O-W-S-L-L. Well, the name of the church is— Templar church. Yeah, that's right. And we advertise them every week. But I want you to get Drew's book. Before Keith, before you make it to the parking lot tonight, I'm putting my credit card number in at arctos.com.
[00:53:36] I believe that Drew, my friend, would send it to me for free, but I'm going to buy it because I want to. And I don't want to encourage you to do anything that I won't do for myself, folks. Go to arctos.com, A-R-K-T-O-S.com. Type in Andrew Fraser in the search bar. Find his book. I want to do while you're at it. There you go. All right, Keith. Thank you. I will. So you've got two sales tonight anyway, Drew. And listen, I will call you soon. I want to talk to you about next month.
[00:54:05] We may have you back on before the end of this month. I don't think we even came near the scratching the surface of the contents of this book and the importance of this book. But we will. I'll be back in touch with you about that. But for Tom Sunich, for Drew Fraser, Croatia, Australia, all deck tonight. Two continents even. Two hemispheres. Indeed. Indeed.
[00:54:32] We will be back again next week in Germany with Sascha Rasmussen. Art of darkness. Thank you, Drew. God bless you. And we'll talk to you again next week. With Keith, I'm James. Good night. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.