Peace with Iran is within reach and Jewish leaders are furious. Padraig Martin offers his expert analysis on stunning recent developments. Mr. Martin holds two master’s degrees, including one in Islamic Studies. As a former government contractor, he has worked in 78 countries, spending the majority of his time in the former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, and the Middle East.
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[00:00:29] As we said, the headline reads, an American Free Press next issue. Peace with Iran is within reach, and Jewish leaders are furious. Patrick Martin is going to offer his expert analysis on these stunning recent developments. He holds, of course, two master's degrees, one in Islamic studies. He is a former government contractor who worked in 78 different countries, spending the majority of his time in the former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, and the Middle East.
[00:00:55] I believe this is his sixth time with us this year on the show already, because this is a fluid and ever-evolving situation over there. Let's make sure we have him. Tonight, I'm not taking anything for granted. Patrick, are you there? I am. I do apologize. It's been a technical insanity, but all good. Cluster. For all of us. Cluster's a good word for it. Well, here's what we're going to do.
[00:01:24] I'm going to set the stage here, and then you chime in. Liz, let's skip these breaks this hour as well. And, Patrick, let's just have a free-flowing discussion on this. But this is basically what's going on, according to our friend Paul Angel at the American Free Press. I'll read this as quickly as I can. Give me about two minutes. President Donald Trump has taken considerable flack for signing a peace deal on June the 15th to end the war that the United States and Israel started with Iran.
[00:01:53] But it was his best decision that he could have made in an ocean of increasingly bad and dangerous ones. On June the 17th, Trump officials released two reporters, the 14-point Memo of Understanding, or MOU, that declares an end to the war. It claims Iran will open the Strait of Hormuz. Of course, that's already been closed again. And the United States will lift its blockade and waive sanctions. In addition, the MOU will permit Iran to sell oil and benefit from a host of economic incentives.
[00:02:22] The MOU launches 60 days of coming negotiations to seal a lasting peace deal. The first point of the MOU unequivocally calls for peace, namely that the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war, by signing this MOU, declare immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on to not initiate any war or any military operation against each other
[00:02:52] and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. So, Patrick, to me, that sounds like something more than the fits and starts we've seen over the course of the last several months. But you're the expert. That's why you're on. How are you reading all of this? Let me just say this first. To the uninitiated, an MOU is memorandum of understanding which precedes the actual treaty. All right. Go, Patrick.
[00:03:23] Okay. I think we have him now on the IPDTL, Liz. Okay. And if not, call him back on his cell. I'll read a little bit more. Let me know when he's there. I'll read a little bit more from this American Free Press piece. Anyone wondering if signing this peace deal was the right thing to do needs to only look at the way the warmongering pro-Israel chicken hawks are melting down over it. In the last 24 hours, Israeli leaders have gone out of their way to state in no uncertain terms that they will not abide by the agreement.
[00:03:53] Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has done his best to sabotage it by sending even more Israeli forces into southern Lebanon. Before it was even released, Israel firsters on both sides of the aisle, such as Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Laura Loomer, Barry Weiss, and Senator Adam Schiff, blasted the MOU. Even Israel's popular daily newspaper, Haaretz, acknowledged the obvious with the headline,
[00:04:18] Netanyahu's mouthpieces turn on Trump, revealing a deeper Israeli ingratitude. And if you want to know what Israeli leaders think, Haaretz noted, listen to Netanyahu's surrogates who called the president a loser, Vice President J.D. Vance a scumbag, and referred to Trump envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner as Jew boys. They all know the hard truth, though. Without U.S. military might, Israel would be a smoking crater in the sand.
[00:04:45] And Trump said as much when he told reporters at the G7 gathering in France on June the 16th, without the U.S., there would be no Israel. Without me, there would be no Israel, the president said. Popular conservative commentator Jack Posebiak summed it up with his blunt observation of these outspoken critics of the MOU. They are ingrates. Now, readers of the American Free Press will know that ever since President Trump first bombed Iran's nuclear facility in June of 2025 with the help of the Israelis,
[00:05:15] and then since then has bombed more than 13,000 sites in Iran starting on February 28th of this year, the newspaper has taken a consistently tough line against the president, roundly criticizing him and Netanyahu for starting a disastrous war that is in no way in the interest of the United States. But today, as Nick Griffin was saying at the end of the last hour, Keith, today, however, American Free Press congratulates the president for his dedication to ending the war
[00:05:42] and his courage in resisting the pressure of the Zionist lobby, Israeli leaders, pro-Israel voices of the United States, and others to land U.S. soldiers in Iran to conduct a bloody invasion that could only benefit one country in the world, Israel. So Paul Angel writes in his editorial, Today, Mr. Trump, we're proud of you. Let's hope that Israel doesn't sabotage this opportunity. Larry Johnson had similar comments to make about Trump. You know, Trump, giving him every benefit of the doubt, has been extremely patient with Netanyahu,
[00:06:11] and Netanyahu and the Israeli people generally. It's not just Netanyahu. Netanyahu have done everything they can to sabotage peace over there. They want Iran bombed into the Stone Age. That's what Mark Levin wants. Mark Levin is not a conservative. He's not a constitutionalist. He's just basically a Jewish partisan. So are Laura Loomer, Ben Shapiro, Randy Fine, Adam Schiff,
[00:06:38] all the rest of his chorus of chattering magpies. So I'm glad to see this is happening. I'm glad. But we need to get out of this. We're spending billions, approaching trillions of dollars on behalf of Israel to fight their wars over the past 20 years, according to the Clean Break Memorandum. And it's time everybody woke up. And I think they are waking up. And they're saying, we're not, this is not in the interest of America. It's not in the interest of fair play.
[00:07:06] And we're not going to be a part of this. And I think that Trump realizes that this is putting the Republican prospects for victory in the midterm election at serious peril. All right. We've got our guests back, I think, on a secure line. Patrick, you know what's going on. Break us down in your expert opinion and with your expert analysis. Yeah. Well, first of all, again, thank you very much for having me back on the show. It's always an honor. I do apologize for some of the technical issues I was having earlier. Bottom line is this.
[00:07:36] It was a, we, this is one of the biggest strategic losses in probably modern history. And when we look at it from a holistic view, one of the big challenges you have is a number of things. First of all, we really should never have walked in this war. When I was on the show last time, I said the biggest thing would happen for Iran, it's the longer they held out, the better off they would be. And sure enough, that proved true. And the reason was pretty simple.
[00:08:03] We have, even if you wanted to attack Iran, even if you thought Iran was definitely the enemy that was portrayed by the Israelis, we simply don't have the capability, the manufacturing capability, to go toe-to-toe with countries that are using inexpensive drones to trip and trigger intercepts. A big problem we have right now is that we have no rare earth elements. We're out of them. We have no careful supply.
[00:08:32] The Chinese, the communist Chinese would not sell them for weapons purposes. They hold all the cards. The largest deposit of rare earth elements necessary for the production of weapons, uranium, is in Greenland. And in Greenland, we've, in 2021, the cabin field in Greenland, which is the largest deposit in the world, they changed the rules at the behest of the communist Chinese government to ensure that nobody could mine for uranium.
[00:09:00] And it was greatly reduced. That sent us into a position where we've never addressed our ammunition issue. Well, fast forward, 2022, the Russians invade Ukraine, and we're providing all of our interceptors to the Ukrainians that we could possibly have. We get into a war in 2026, and we've never addressed this supply chain issue at all.
[00:09:24] So your tactical high-altitude aerial defense systems, your THAADs, and various other forms of weaponry that would be used typically for the defense, for aerial defense against missiles, we just, we ran out. And, again, without having this manufacturing capacity whatsoever, having been addressed, without having the rare earth elements addressed, we went into a war where all Iran had to do is just keep wearing us down.
[00:09:51] As of today, the United States only has 23 days left of munitions in its entirety. And this has been, this has been widely publicized now. If communist China were to decide that it wanted to invade the United States, we would have 23 days of ammunition. All because we expended our systems overseas. You look at this even further, what did we do to our allies?
[00:10:18] In East Asia, the reason why, we pulled all of our THAADs out of East Asia. We pulled them from Japan, we pulled them from Taiwan, we pulled them from South Korea, and we brought them over to Israel, to protect Israel. We didn't give them to the UAE, we didn't give them to Kuwait, we didn't give them to Saudi Arabia. They had their own interceptors that they had bought from us earlier, but we didn't give them the additional ones. So as they were getting bombed, as they were getting hit by the Iranians, we bypassed them and sent the THAADs to Israel.
[00:10:46] Israel did not use any of its interceptors. They were using American interceptors that were provided to them at the beginning of the war. So when you had the Middle East, many of our Middle East allies who had bases in such as the 5th Fleet's base in Bahrain, said, what are you doing? We're the ones getting hit and you're not even giving us the necessity to, the needed items to protect ourselves.
[00:11:11] The East Asians looked at it and said, obviously Israel is more important to you than us. And if you're an American nationalist, the first thing that's going to jump out of your mind is, who's my biggest threat? Most likely Communist China. Well, we've just lost our East Asian allies. You had Taiwan sent over a peace negotiator for the first time since 1951 to Beijing to talk about the possibility of having a re-bridge. If we lose Taiwan, we lose our semiconductor production.
[00:11:40] And the Chinese, the Communist Chinese, gain access to almost everything that we do from a computer and AI capacity because we share a lot of that with Taiwan, especially due to their production, semiconductor production. So we've now lost Taiwan. South Korea has similar peace negotiations going on with Beijing right now. Bahrain wants the 5th Fleet out. UAE will no longer, both UAE and Kuwait have said they will no longer have any American troops
[00:12:09] or any American intelligence on their soil. And for what? All because we decided that Israel is more important than anybody else to include the United States. The U.S. was simply not in a position from a logistics perspective, a supply chain perspective, and then strategically kicked itself out of East Asia and kicked itself out of the Persian Gulf because we chose to prioritize one little state of 9 million Jews.
[00:12:38] And it's incredible how bad, and it gets even worse because there's a financial component to this as well. The United States has had successive, last three months, the worst bond sales we've had in 47 years. Our inflation issues continue to rise as a result of the oil issues that we've had. Well, as a result, we've had two choices. We could either raise interest rates and the Fed could either raise interest rates,
[00:13:05] which would further harm the U.S. and generally the average consumer, and especially corporations that were hoping for a rate reduction, or your yields are going up. Well, with the yields going up, we have another problem. That is, many of the bonds that are currently been sold at much lower interest rates in the past, in the past few years, especially during multiple rounds of quantitative easing by Obama, lower interest rates that were caused as a result of the COVID crisis, suppressed interest rates for a good portion of the Biden administration
[00:13:35] until the latter years to fight inflation, have put many of our retiree bonds in a position of illiquidity, meaning that they will not be able to cash out effectively to fund their own retirement accounts. This has been so bad on so many levels that Trump really had no choice but to run away, and that's exactly what this entire MOU is about, getting out of there, getting out of there fast, because the U.S. has run out of every option,
[00:14:04] and it is in a much worse strategic position than it was in the week before the Jewish holiday of Purim when Trump decided to launch this attack in the first place. Patrick, this is Keith. It seems like we might be at a watershed moment regarding munitions. Ukraine has proven that you can beat a superpower with drones.
[00:14:32] Iran is proving or has proven the same thing. Do you think that when it comes to rearming ourselves, that drones need to take a much more prominent position in our arsenal than they have in the past? I do, and they will. I worked on a drone program in 2018 and 2019 at that time. Now, our drone programs are very expensive.
[00:15:00] And there's one thing to understand is that, politically speaking, the problem you have in the United States is this. The Department of Defense's decision-making is often driven by local politics. What they want are a congressman to have somebody come back to them with jobs or come back to them with a military base of some kind of stature. So they will talk to the DOD, and the DOD will tell them, well, we're going to have this big program.
[00:15:27] It'll spend billions of dollars on, say, shipbuilding in Norfolk, Virginia, or aircraft production in Oklahoma, or what have you. And they'll go back, and the congressman will then sell this to the American public. We are politically, not structurally designed, to find a more economical way to build drones that are lighter, cheaper, faster, and smarter. Now, we can eventually get there, but for the last, really since the end of World War II,
[00:15:55] the way our political dynamics have worked, one of the reasons why Eisenhower was very cautious about the military-industrial complex and warned against it is because he saw that the politics that were involved really rewarded politicians for spending more money on military systems and bringing bases to their home districts and bringing manufacturing to their home districts that cost a ton of money. And, of course, the military-industrial complex makes money
[00:16:23] when it's able to charge a million dollars on a single interceptor versus $20,000 on a single drone. And so, yes, it would be great. A way to assure that we're going to go bankrupt then, right? We're not interested in effectively defending ourselves through the Defense Department anymore. We're interested in pork-barrel politics, right? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That's right.
[00:16:48] And, again, when you look at this, you know, right now the drones have taken – so what Iran did, which was very smart, is that Iran used very inexpensive conventional missile systems to require the Israelis, really the U.S., to fire its interceptors. And then once it went through – it bled through those cheaper alternatives, they were using drones to trick the interceptor systems.
[00:17:15] And as they continued to bleed through these interceptors, the next phase was more highly advanced missiles that were then beginning to hit their targets, especially in places that were more lightly defended, such as Haifa and areas that were sort of on the northwest periphery close to the Lebanese border. So that's what they were doing. It was incredibly effective. They did the same thing to the UAE. And what they did, which was smart,
[00:17:42] was that they first knocked out all of the tactical intelligence, tactical signet in the region, meaning that they began to – you have two really types of signet. One's tactical, one's strategic. Your strategic signals intelligence is often coming from satellites. It's coming from really a multi-level area of different information being fed at once. But you still have gaps in time to get that information to a usable workforce
[00:18:11] who then takes that and applies it. So let's say, for instance, you get a satellite feed, and it's telling me this is happening. It takes a little bit of time to actually react. Tactical signal intelligence gives you real-life information, real-time information you're able to use in a split second. They took those out. So now when they made us blind, when they made the United States blind in the area, then they were able to use these cheaper missiles, these cheaper drones, and eventually they used hypersonic missiles
[00:18:40] that were hitting their targets and hitting the targets more effectively. And that's when they began bleeding us out. And again, as you just talked about, this pork barrel politics has really run our country now since really 80 years now. They were able to expose the weaknesses of that pork barrel political thinking and the military-industrial complex's thinking, and the U.S. simply was not prepared for this war on any level.
[00:19:09] So, Patrick, Rich Hamblin, I know, had been in touch with you this week, and I was talking with Rich. As I tell the folks, I spend at least double, if not triple, the amount of time preparing for any given show than we do actually hosting it. But I know Rich had asked you who or what got Trump, got to Trump, and you had asked to get him to surrender, and your answer was most likely Scott Besant and Kevin Warsh. Now, these are not household names. People don't know who Scott Besant is.
[00:19:39] He's the Secretary of the Treasury, Kevin Warsh, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. And you wrote, if you don't mind me quoting you, Patrick, even though you are our guest, Warsh became the Fed Chair the day of the announcement. As of last Friday, every single bond-structured retirement account in the U.S. was set to default in September due to oil prices, inflation, interest rates, and bond yields. Approximately 55 million retirees were set to find their retirement funds illiquid. They would have had to wait either 30 years to cash out
[00:20:08] matured bonds or sell them for about a nickel per dollar of value. And then, of course, you factor in, you know, how this is faring in the polls with the midterms coming up. It's a perfect storm to do something radical. Nick Griffin, who's been very critical of Trump as a result of this war, saying, hey, whatever the reason, he's done something here. He has bucked the Jews at least for now. But how real was that economic threat? Is it really as bad as you were spelling out there? Because that seems nigh catastrophic. It is. So it is real.
[00:20:38] And there's a few reasons why. There's an economic political storm that's coming, well, has really come to the United States as a result of this war. And this was something that a lot of folks weren't thinking about. I do think that Kevin Warsh, who became the Federal Reserve Chairman, the same day as the MOU. Now, if you recall, the original signing was supposed to happen on Friday. It was supposed to happen and the MOU was about to be signed on Friday in Switzerland. Instead, Trump signed it in Versailles
[00:21:07] that Wednesday as a signal to the Iranians that he was, this was, this was, this is done. He did not want to have any additional political pressure being put upon him because I believe that Kevin Warsh and Scott Besson, now Scott Besson is an interesting fellow. I mean, I don't know why, but he keeps hiring all these homosexuals, Trump does. Scott Besson is a homosexual They're the favorite top people. Yeah, right. But he is a very smart, I'll give him this, he's very smart, he's intelligent, and his,
[00:21:38] his, he's been trying to get the yield, the bond yields under, the 10-year bond yield under 4% now from the beginning of the administration. Now, why is that important? When the bond yield is under 4%, it's a more manageable rate from, from just a pure debt perspective, it winds up helping in terms of home mortgages, but it really helps corporations that are over-levered, corporations that are, that are borrowing a lot of money to keep themselves operating. It's especially important
[00:22:06] for technical companies and startups and so forth. Well, the other issue you have is when bond yields rise, so let's put it this way, if I give you, let's say I give Keith $100 and I give James $100 and I say, you know, Keith, you're going to pay me 10% on that $100 and James, you're going to pay me 5% on $100 and now I go back to somebody else and say, you know, I'd like to sell that debt to you. Would you like to buy that debt? Who are they going to buy?
[00:22:37] James' debt or are they going to buy Keith's debt? They're going to buy Keith's debt because Keith is going to pay 10%. It's very similar here. Your bond yields wind up having an impact on the liquidity of a given bond. As those bond yields rise, the lower interest yielding bonds become less and less, they become harder to cash out and sell before the maturity date. Most retirees are in bonds, are not going to be in bonds for 30 years. They're not going to sit around waiting
[00:23:05] for a mature bond because simply put, when you're in your 60s and 70s, the likelihood that you're going to be cashing out a 30-year treasury note in, say, again, in your 90s or your 100s is pretty slim. So as those yields rise, those bonds that they're holding become less and less valuable. And you have 55 million retirees in the United States, almost all of whom have some kind of tie to bonds in their retirement accounts.
[00:23:36] It winds up having an incredible impact. Now, it might be a little bit of a hyperbole to say all 55 million would be impacted. Obviously, there are folks that have cash, have gold, have stocks. They have different investment vehicles. Some don't have any investment vehicles at all. Many American retirees don't have anything. But those that do would find themselves in a situation where their bonds would become essentially worthless. This was a storm that was coming and it was coming hard. And again, I think this is one of the reasons why the president signed this deal
[00:24:05] the day Kevin Walsh became the Federal Reserve Chairman because most likely Kevin Walsh debriefed him and said, we're heading for an economic collapse of catastrophic proportions. And that was enough to get him to at least temporarily cut ties with the plans that I'm sure Israel had for him. I mean, how much of that is Kabuki Theater and how much of it is just an actual factual
[00:24:34] him doing what had to be done unless he was just going to sink the entire American economy. Think about that. We got our break. We're only going to take this hard bottom of the hour break. When we come back, I've got a lot of questions for you and then later still with Patrick Martin, some food for thought from a listener in Texas. Stay tuned. Proclaiming liberty across the land. You're listening to Liberty News Radio. I'm Mary Rose.
[00:25:04] Vice President J.D. Vance is on his way to Switzerland for talks between the U.S. and Iran. Vance departed this afternoon, a day after the talks were supposed to start in Geneva. Vance confirmed that negotiations are already getting underway with the arrival of Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff today. President Trump has issued a new statement on tolls in the Strait of Hormuz. President Donald Trump is threatening to impose U.S. tolls in the Strait of Hormuz if a final deal
[00:25:33] with Iran is not reached in 60 days. Trump highlighted that the initial agreement to end the war with Iran calls for toll-free travel through the vital waterway for 60 days and says there will be no tolls after the 60-day period has expired unless they were imposed by and for the United States of America. Trump says the money would be used for services rendered as the guardian angel to the countries of the Middle East for past, present, and future reimbursement costs.
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[00:30:06] And we are back with Patrick Martin, our Middle Eastern expert, along with Mark Weber. We have covered some ground, still so much more ground to cover. Here's what I want to do with the last 30 minutes, Patrick, and I'll be watching the clock pretty closely. There's just so much I want to ask you about. Let's try to do a rapid fire segment for the next 10 minutes. I've got at least a dozen questions. I'll ask them if I can set them up and you knock them out of the park maybe about a minute apiece. We could probably go much longer on those,
[00:30:35] but I want to move quickly through some things and then get to something in summation in the last 10 minutes or so. But let me ask you this. We'll go quickly on these. Just the setting of Versailles as the place for this treaty. I mean, that didn't happen by accident. Do you read into that? And if so, what? Yes. The Iranians are big students of history. This is very clearly a surrender. It's where the French surrendered in their war with Germany, 1870, 1871.
[00:31:04] The Germans obviously surrendered after World War I in Versailles. It was a big part of the Germans coming back and then having Versailles set up as their surrender when the Germans invaded. And it was very clear that this was Trump surrendering to the Iranians. This was a very clear signal to them that he meant business, that he was out. All right. That's a great answer. That's a great answer. Continuing to move quickly, Israel being the flying the ointment here, of course, it looks like there's already been some shocking
[00:31:33] and jiving with regards to the openness of the strait. Israel is not going to restrain itself in Lebanon. Can the U.S. restrain Israel at all? Or is Israel going to be totally on its own now without U.S. support or anyone else to take their place? I don't think Israel is going to be completely on its own. I don't think the United States is going to militarily get involved. But I don't think that Israel as well is going to be completely on its own. I do believe that what we can sell them, we will. The problem is
[00:32:03] we just simply don't have anything to sell them in terms of munitions and so forth. So Israel is hoping that we'll get back in and just do a ground invasion. That's not going to happen. The other thing too is real quick a point on that is it came out today that Israel is using phosphorus weaponry in southern Lebanon and in Palestine. Those weapons, white phosphorus weapons, you cannot as a civilian population go back to those areas. They become uninhabitable for a period of time. That came out
[00:32:31] in the mainstream news today which tells me somebody is leaking probably at the behest of the president that Israel is doing this and causing bigger problems probably to try to engender some kind of support for some kind of to stop sending weapons to the Israelis. I wouldn't be surprised if you hear something from President Trump here soon about that. Well, you know, it's I was saying before the break, this is just my personal opinion and I'm very open to being wrong about this and a lot of people say everything is planned.
[00:33:00] Nothing is real. Everything is stage managed but I don't think it's political theater. I think this is just me having done this my entire adult life. I think Trump, yes, he is beholden to the Jews in many ways but I think he is genuinely flummoxed by Israel and that they keep doing everything they can to tie him down there and keep the U.S. involved. You know, we can debate all day long pedophile blackmail, all of that internet speculation
[00:33:28] but I don't think that Trump particularly cares to have the United States in Iran. I think that much is real. So here's the thing. The Israel-Trump alliance seems to be under strain right now. Miriam Adelson, his number one dual citizen donor, called Trump a traitor to Israel. J.D. Vance pointedly reminded Israel that the U.S. gives two-thirds of its military budget, provides two-thirds of its military budget. The younger public, we were talking about this during the break, you and Keith and I, the younger public
[00:33:58] is clearly disenchanted with Israel, including young evangelicals. What do you think will happen next with regards to this partnership? It's over. I agree with you. I don't think this is political theater. If you really want to get Trump to hate you, criticize him. And that is him, you know, and so, and he is such a narcissist that he, I'm sure, it's really blowing him up right now to be,
[00:34:27] to have folk calling him a traitor and so forth, especially after he pretty much so surrendered his entire political career on behalf of Israel. And he's now going to go into a midterm where he will lose the House, possibly the Senate, and find himself not only impeached, but this time impeached and convicted. So, especially if they run both chambers. So yeah, he's probably infuriated right now. And, you know, it's something that it's unfortunate he didn't have to do that, but he did.
[00:34:56] And now he's clearly angry and I think you're going to see something. I would not be surprised if Trump just does something from a policy perspective just out of pure anger. Well, do you, you know, every American president since 1912 has had to deal with Jewish power and influence and there are only two that were successful, Coolidge and Kennedy, and Kennedy wound up getting assassinated. So he's not that unusual.
[00:35:25] I think every president has to deal with Jewish power and influence, but I think that we're looking at the setting of the sun on that because I really don't see, you know, the cost of supporting Israel and alienating everyone else is just too high a price for America to pay. What do you think? I agree with you on that. You know, again, Kennedy, of course, famously told the Israelis they could not have nuclear weapons and he was killed within less than four months after he told the Israelis no.
[00:35:55] And then, of course, you have Coolidge, but Coolidge was in a little bit different ballgame. It was a little bit different America back then. You know, so now you've got trouble, I think. What Coolidge did was against their interests he passed the Johnson Anti-Immigration Act and he was able to carry it off, but they put so much pressure on him that he just served one term. Well, you know, and also, as Nick Griffin said in the first hour, Trump better start looking out for more bullets. I think that's what, you know, that is a sad state of reality. But I want to draw attention to this while we're on the topic, Patrick,
[00:36:24] and that is, if ever it crossed someone's mind that you could have some sort of an alliance, some sort of lasting strategic alliance with so-called conservative Jews, let this be the case study that puts that forever to rest because, I mean, you have these sycophants like Mark Levin and Laura Loomer who was basically just drooling over Trump, but the first thing he did that didn't go along with their vision
[00:36:54] for what America should do for Israel. Look at how they've turned on him like rabid dogs. I mean, you cannot work with these people and you cannot have alliances with them. This is an excellent example of that. Oh, 100%. You know, it's interesting because Tucker Carlson apparently warned him of this. Just prior to him going into the war, Tucker Carlson was fooled into believing that Trump wouldn't do it and, of course, Trump did, the attack, but he warned him. He said, these folks are going to take advantage of you and they're going
[00:37:24] to chew you up and spit you out if you don't do what they want. And sure enough, I remember, I mean, I'm old enough to remember when Levin was against Trump in 2016. I remember when Ben Shapiro was against Trump. All these Jewish so-called conservatives were against Trump. They were against him. I mean, I think Laura Loomer was always kind of on that Trump train, but marginally, I think it was more a matter of her belief that he would do good for Israel. otherwise, there was no, these folks were nowhere around.
[00:37:53] They weren't taking the hits at the time when everybody who was wearing a MAGA hat was called a white nationalist and getting, you know, spat upon and beaten and so forth. And so, you know, these folks, they're showing everybody. You look at Randy Fine. They're showing everybody who they are. And it's always been said and it's true. There's only one loyalty that they have and that's Israel, not to the United States. Yeah, their principle is, is it good for the Jews? And we need to,
[00:38:23] I'd say as a white advocate, we need to have a similar position, which is, is it good for the white Gentiles? We were talking, Patrick, with Lou Moore a week or two ago. Of course, Lou, great political analyst. He's a political animal. I love to go to him for just all things. Ron Paul's campaign manager and chief of staff in Washington for many years. And anyway, we were talking about the current political climate as of two weeks ago. And, you know, I asked him the rhetorical question, you know, can this be turned around before November
[00:38:53] for Trump? And he was skeptical, but if it's possible, would this be the start? And not even looking so far ahead as to November, what does the situation look like economically and politically in 60 days if Trump is able to stay the course and Israel not be able to ruin this? And one more little issue on that. What about the redistricting? How is that going to affect the prospect? We'll get to that. Well, it's all part of the same thing, which is what are the prospects for success or failure in November? Right. So I think there's a couple
[00:39:23] of things there to kind of unpack. One is, I do think the redistricting might save a little bit. That's certainly going to help Trump. No question about it. It's going to help the Republican Party because the redistricting is going to happen. But the one problem that Trump has is that Trump entered into 2024, the election with a plus 20 point approval amongst young white men. He is now at negative 70. So that's an astounding change. And so in all these political polls,
[00:39:53] will they vote for the Democrat? Probably not. But will they show up to the polls in November? Probably not. And they're not going to be excited to. One of the biggest problems I've had with this war, if you think that, I've always believed this, I think the only thing that could really destroy or defeat the United States is the United States. It's the Americans from within. If you allow communism, you allow socialism, you allow these kind of far left radical
[00:40:22] ideas to take root, that's going to destroy these United States. One of the reasons why I'm a Southern nationalist is because I think the only real way to save the Constitution is to balkanize and allow the South to be free and then have the South be the defending wall, the defending zone of constitutional principles and Christianity. But, you know, if you have the Democrats win, well, the problem there is a generation of Americans felt betrayed by Trump and probably will never engage to politics again. They won't trust the Republican again.
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[00:42:48] or call 385-446-5500 now. All right. I want to give Patrick Martin and Keith Alexander a final word on this topic. Ever evolving, always fluid, ever changing.
[00:43:18] I mean, everything we're talking about tonight could be totally null and void by next Saturday if we even have to wait that long. That's been the way it's been going with this thing this year. But I do want to read this, Patrick. It's, and I sent it to you earlier today so you could review it in advance, but it's an email that came in to me from a very loyal supporter and listener in Texas, a good friend of mine. And he sent this in and I'm inclined to agree with a lot of his conclusions, but I would love for you to agree or disagree
[00:43:47] or take it in any direction you wish. But let me read it for the audience if you would indulge me here. I'll be very quick. He writes, I'm unsure whether it's strategic foresight or mere coincidence, but is it possible that Trump will be viewed retrospectively as our greatest president? His actions have exposed the influence of Israel and more broadly the Jewish community regarding the issues they support both globally and within America. His overt deference
[00:44:17] to the Israel lobby along with that of many in Congress has raised awareness among Americans that the negative effects of this influence, including issues related to women's rights, homosexuality, transgender rights, DEI, corruption of merit, the influx of culturally incompatible immigrants, significant restrictions on freedom of speech and the blurred lines between acceptable and obscene speech. Furthermore, he writes, I suspect it may have at least reduced the self-righteousness and confidence
[00:44:47] previously displayed by many Christian Zionists like John Hagee. Our defeat in Iran and Trump's capitulation will lead to a withdrawal from the Middle East. Our bases are in ruins and the host countries are unlikely to rebuild them. Consequently, our personnel and remaining equipment may be returning home to help secure our borders. Europe is also facing severe challenges and I anticipate a reduction, if not the complete elimination of our military presence there with a similar situation
[00:45:16] in East Asia soon. The growing alliance between Russia, China, and Iran allows us to step back from the burden of global hegemony. It is Trump's questionable behavior that has driven these three nations closer together and accelerated an emergence of a multipolar world. The only question is whether these three recognize Jewish hegemonic inclination and guard against it sufficiently. It will be interesting to observe how the Jewish community responds to these developments. When we're not out of the woods yet, there may finally be an opportunity
[00:45:45] to recover from the decline we've been experiencing since the 20th century as certain malign influences have gained unprecedented prominence and control. The Jewish community tends to be insular with the Ten Commandments often seen as guidelines for interacting solely with fellow Jews whereas we view them as universal principles applicable to all people. In contrast, Jews may feel free to act against non-Jews limited only by the imperative that they should not jeopardize other Jews.
[00:46:14] Trump's response along with ours to Israeli misbehavior regarding the Memorandum of Understanding, the MOU, is next on the agenda and could be a decisive turning point if things progress positively. Another point of consideration is that I view figures like Jeffrey Sachs and Max Blumenthal as protective voices whose outspoken opinions are intended to mitigate the risk of widespread persecution against Jews
[00:46:42] should their ongoing misbehavior prompt such a response. One last thing. The good aspect of our having waged war on Israel's behalf is that it exposed the shortcomings of our current military setup in the face of Iran's missiles, drones, and having all this equipment including manufacturing facilities deeply buried. Those who would otherwise have been naysayers now understand the limitations of our current reliance on large and expensive ships and planes. It has revealed that we are no longer
[00:47:12] able to force our will on other nations with the ease that we once did. Patrick, I would ask you to respond to that and offer some closing thoughts on this conversation this hour. Yeah, I think there's a lot of good points there but I don't think Trump will be looked upon favorably, historically speaking, because this was accidental. He did expose what Israel and the broader Jewish community has been about themselves to the detriment of the United States. He has exposed
[00:47:42] the fact that the military limitations of these United States and especially as I discussed earlier the military industrial complex slash political pork barrel politics how they have really hurt us as a country by giving us a false sense of pride and essentially security. Security, yeah. So I think that is all true what he's stating. Unfortunately, however, it's because Trump made a mistake. It's not because Trump willingly went out
[00:48:11] and did this. So I don't think it'll be in the future in history. I do not believe folks will say well, you know, Trump really did all this. Thanks to Trump we were able to figure this out. It'll be more a matter of Trump made a huge mistake. He wound up following the footsteps of Netanyahu or following Netanyahu's lead and as a result we are now a weaker country. And there's one other thing too to really think about here and be concerned with. We have been in the Middle East
[00:48:41] in large part because the petrodollar is so important. It is so important to us as for the U.S. economy as a whole. We are the world's reserve currency. If all of a sudden oil transactions are able to be done in competing currencies then what you have is you have a U.S. dollar begin to weaken and eventually begin to collapse. And this is going to be again part of the conversation.
[00:49:10] I'm sure Kevin Warshad I'm sure Scott Bissett had this with Trump that if you lose that petrodollar status and I would not be surprised if Saudi Arabia and the other Arab allies turned around to the U.S. and said stop this now stop Israel now or we're going to start taking Chinese yuan as a form of currency and your reserve status is going to collapse. And that is a big issue. So with all that said again I agree that Trump
[00:49:40] did effectively make this happen but not intentionally and therefore he will not get the historical credit rather he'll get a lot of the historical blame for having put the United States in what really is arguably probably the worst strategic move in a century. Do you think that it's inevitable that the petrodollar is going to decline in importance and alternatives are going to rise and if that is how about
[00:50:10] returning to the Monroe Doctrine? Do you think that would be can we maintain our lifestyle like that or do we have to control the world's currency? Well I do think that cryptocurrencies or there's any some form of government cryptocurrencies I think cash currencies are going the way of the dodo bird in part because it makes it easier to control if you think about it if I'm able to shut off your money it'll shut you down then you kind of can already do that we've become such a
[00:50:39] debit card credit card dependent society that all one needs to do is just shut down your ability to make electronic payments but that said if now your actual physical dollars are in the form of a crypto dollars cryptocurrencies bitcoin wallets and so forth that'll make it even easier for the US government to completely starve you your family out unless you comply with what they want so I think that's coming I do think that there's a desire
[00:51:09] right now nation state currencies are the reason why the US dollar is really a confidence issue but with each successive generation becoming more and more comfortable with cryptocurrencies I think it's only a matter of time probably within 20 to 30 years where you do not see the dollar even being used anymore and the question is where are we in a position at that point because one of the one weapons we've had for us
[00:51:38] is the ability to proportionally cheapen our debt by monetizing our debt through methods of quantitative easing through interest rate manipulation etc if we lose that world reserve currency status now the debt we would have to pay would likely be in a different kind of currency and is one that we would not be able to control and now all of a sudden our really our gluttonous ways would become would come smacking right back at us
[00:52:08] in a way we can't even fathom well quantitative easing explain that to our audience and why that won't work anymore in 60 seconds or less thank you Patrick again for another entirely informative and enthralling hour well thank you first of all again gentlemen quantitative easing real quick is really just it's putting out a large amount of currency into this into supply so it's really really printing
[00:52:38] dollars essentially to intentionally weaken your currency so that way you're creating an inflationary environment where no inflationary environment would normally be and by doing that what happens is what you owe let's say you have 10 trillion dollars in debt now we're at 30 nearly 35 trillion but you have 10 trillion dollars in debt well if you weaken it well of course 10 trillion dollars in debt in 2010 is not the same as 10 trillion dollars in debt in 2026 that's because you've weakened
[00:53:08] the currency so many times Obama did that three times by the way he used quantitative easing to manipulate the US currency to a point right now where future presidents have really been handcuffed badly by his actions as president of the United States Obama's actions as president of the United States and his treasury secretaries and the Fed chairman at the time well you know when this whole thing is up on its head two weeks from now we'll have you back on to assess that situation but is it possible I'll ask you this with only
[00:53:38] seconds remaining is it possible for America the United States to have this peace deal as we have read it this week independent of Israel it is but we take an enormous amount of political will you have to say no to Israel that's really by the way you gotta cut them off and say sorry we're not interested in backing you anymore and let the rest of the world know it been a long time since an American president did that a long long time at least all that
[00:54:08] happened to him but nevertheless unless you want utter ruin he's gonna have to do it we'll see what happens I mean we're along for the ride as everyone else is I guess on this thing but thank you Patrick for helping us break it down to unpack it to make sense of it nobody could do it better Patrick Martin we've got a link to his gab at our website and on twitter as well you don't want to miss any of his postings
[00:54:38] thank you Patrick we'll be back with a third hour next