Radio Show Hour 2 – 2026/06/13

[00:00:01] You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is The Political Cesspool. The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program. And here to guide you through the murky waters of The Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.

[00:00:30] Welcome back. We just talked with Jason Bartlett and our mutual friend Rich Hamblin, who has been a longtime friend and contact of his. Jason just left the White House after meeting with the Trump administration to talk about the situation in South Africa. Jason, of course, a South African farmer in his own right who had come here seeking asylum in the United States six years ago. Now, I saw something at OccidentalDissent.com a few days ago that sparked a light bulb.

[00:00:59] I just got the idea this would be a great conversation. There's never a bad reason to have Brad Griffin on. But this one I thought would make for a very interesting hour indeed. Brad Griffin, of course, the editor-in-chief and founder of Occidental Dissent, he spoke at our Will to Power conference in South Carolina early last summer, which was before, and I mean just before, the bombing of Iran, when there was a tremendous amount still in the early summer, late spring, early summer of last year,

[00:01:28] a tremendous amount of enthusiasm as a result of the actions that have been taken up to that point by President Trump. Now, Brad, of course, you'll remember it was, in fact, a meeting that you and I had along with your mother-in-law, Linda, and others in Memphis in January of last year, so a year and a half ago, that gave rise to this conference, and it was quickly put together, and it was very profound.

[00:01:51] But I said we need to move quickly on this just in case some of this begins to curdle. And so with that, I would toss it over to you, my friend. You, I think, are very interesting to tackle this question because you had gotten flack some time ago for being so outspokenly pro-Trump. How would you reevaluate Trump and the administration a year to the day, which is today, of the onset of the war in Iran?

[00:02:22] Well, you know, I think my take on Trump and his second administration has really just followed the overall arc of the country in that, like, I supported him enthusiastically in 2024. The main reason I did so, still at the time, I mean, I wasn't, like, completely naive. The main reason I supported him at the time in 2024 is because I was just ready to move on,

[00:02:49] and I felt, like, if he lost the election, he would run again in 28, and this would just be dragging out. But I was, but even, even with that caveat, I was still hopeful. I thought, like, this had a lot of potential, but I thought we were going to accomplish a great deal. And we were enthusiastic, and even through the first several months of the administration, it seemed to be, the first few months seemed to be off to a good start.

[00:03:17] And we organized the conference, and I wrote the speech last May, and we powered down to June. And then, you know, we had the conference, and then it seems like literally the week I got back is when the whole wheels started to fall off the Trump administration. It was one thing after another. It really was. It was that week. It was literally 12 days.

[00:03:45] So that conference, which was really, I mean, and it was brought to bear by the support we got from the Conservative Citizens Foundation and others, but mainly the Conservative Citizens Foundation. But, I mean, you're talking about a conference that featured, you know, sitting in former United States congressmen, senators and members of parliament from both the United States and Europe, and former members of parliament as well. And then, you know, you had people like Lou Moore.

[00:04:12] You had you, Brad, other members of the pro-white right. And they were all there in a mix. And I really hadn't seen anything like that. I mean, you'd have to go back to the old days of the Citizens Council when, you know, they were bringing in the sitting governors and things like that. And that was a very, very important conference. But then it was just 12 days after that. That whole thing wrapped up June 1st. It was 12 days later. You got the bombing in Iran. It started off even before that, even earlier in between the conferences.

[00:04:41] The first thing that happened, the first domino that fell that month was Trump's breakup with Elon Musk. He had a huge falling out with Elon Musk. And I had pinned a lot of my hopes on that. I thought, well, you know, Elon being, you know, he just became the world's first trillionaire, right? And he was, you know, Trump's money man. And he was, you know, someone who was clearly gelling with our ideas.

[00:05:09] And I thought, okay, well, you know, heading into the Trump administration, I thought Elon was going to be, you know, the guy with the money who would – and I was really hopeful, optimistic that he would offset the influence of all these aging Zionist donors, like the Adelsons, right? I mean, Elon, you know, his money was in – he was making a fortune.

[00:05:33] He was invested in, you know, future industries, whereas, you know, the pro-Israel crowd would have casinos. He had Bernie Marcus, who's dead, who owned Home Depot. It was just old money. It was – I was hopeful there was going to be, like, a huge change there. And then, of course, you know, within, like, a week of getting back from the conference, he had the falling out of the line.

[00:05:57] And then, like, the week after that, it is – Israel starts the war with Iran. And then within a week after that, he's calling for Thomas Massey to be purged from Congress. And then it seems like a few weeks after that, if it was the Epstein files thing – but that was when it really, really started going off the rails, in my view. What do you think about that?

[00:06:26] I mean, clearly that was reflected in the polling. He just – he was unbelievable self-sabotage. And it just progressively, over the course of the last year, of course, culminating with the decision to go back into Iran and the economic fallout from that, it has snowballed beyond what I thought was even possible. All right.

[00:06:56] So I want to make clear here that this is going to be a very objective and balanced hour on Trump. I mean, we're going to try to look at this from all angles and all lenses. And the lens that we primarily look through, of course, as always, is, is it good for white people and what is going to better or more capably advance white interest? I would read two things here very quickly, though, and toss it back to Keith, because there are going to be some things.

[00:07:22] We're going to look at it in the latter part of this hour from, well, even with all this having been stated, are we still advancing under the present conditions? We're going to look at it. Marjorie Taylor Greene writes or said, I think, in this video, all of Trump's promises. He told us exactly what we wanted to hear. And then he turned around and broke them all. He protected the elites, built a fortress around the swamp, endorsed all the rhinos, and became a warmonger waging war. Trump is the very snake he warned us about. That's Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[00:07:51] And then Greg Johnson at Countercurrents writes, and I'll toss this over to Keith, Keith, for a retort. The Trump administration and the MAGA movement are suffering from a breathtaking collapse for one reason, Trump's fatal entanglement with Jewish power. The truth has never been clearer. You can't have an Israel-first wing in an America-first movement, or with any white identitarian movement, for that matter. We'll keep broadcasting that message loud and clear. Keith? I mean, at once two things can be true. That's true.

[00:08:20] But is it also true that we're better off now than we would have been otherwise if you go back to the Hillary era and the Jeb Bush era? Go. Well, what I would say is this. Be careful what you wish for. Your dream may come true. Trump, like every other American president since 1912, has had to contend with Jewish power and influence. They're the ones that pressed Woodrow Wilson into getting us in World War I.

[00:08:50] The Jews were the ones that were responsible for pressing Franklin Roosevelt into getting us into World War II. Every president, I could go down the list, you know, Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, you know, Truman, everybody, you know, they are a dominant feature of our foreign policy.

[00:09:13] And I split any president into two categories, domestic policy and foreign policy. And as a white advocate, I'm more interested in what he does on domestic policy rather than what happens halfway around the world. I think it's terrible that the Jews are in charge of our government. That's nothing new, and it's not something that just happened with Trump.

[00:09:40] But on the other hand, what has happened to the interests of white Americans under Trump has been unprecedented by any other president that has served during my lifetime, and I'm not young, okay? We've got to, for example, closing off the border to illegal immigration. That was never going to happen under the Democrats.

[00:10:04] The redistricting of congressional seats in the South so that we can get one Democrats out and two Black Power out, okay? That would never happen under the Democrats. If the Democrats get back in charge, they're going to make D.C. and Puerto Rico states. That's going to give the Democrats four more senators and no telling how many congresspeople.

[00:10:31] As a result of that, they're going to pack the Supreme Court so we never win another case before the U.S. Supreme Court. We will be constantly oppressed and constantly marginalized if the Democrats get in. So, you know, Trump is a disappointment, but what we need to focus on is reforming the Republican Party and somehow purging Jewish power and influence out of it

[00:10:59] rather than letting, you know, opening the door and letting the wolf into the sheepfold. I think that's not the first time anybody's ever had that idea, but go ahead, Brad. Yeah, let's, but I mean, we got to like zoom out and look at this. I mean, it's not just like a disappointment. It's not like, just like he's failed this term. He is, not only has he destroyed his coalition.

[00:11:28] Now, let me put this in perspective. In multiple polls going back for months, he's all the way down to around 35%. Now, the reason I stress that number, 35%, that is lower than Herbert Hoover when he lost to Franklin Roosevelt in 1936. And we can, and we can, and we can, and we can, and we can't do this in the middle of the country.

[00:11:57] And my point is, and the reason I'm so angry about this, is that Trump is guaranteed that that is going to happen because he has made himself and his cause so unpopular that it's virtually certain the Democrats are going to sweep, not only the midterms, but 2028 as well. He's going to like, so, so, I mean, we can say, yes, he's, well, look at what he's done with the refugee program. I know the previous guest is from South Africa, and that's great.

[00:12:25] And the border has been closed, but all that is temporary. And because of what Trump has done, he's so unpopular, he's going to drag down the whole party with him, and then all that is going to snap back on day one of the next Democrat administration, just like it did under Biden. It took Biden 24 hours to dismantle everything that Trump did on the border in his first term. It's all going to happen again. It'll take 12 hours this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It won't even take 12 hours.

[00:12:55] All the win, and that's what's so infuriating. The win, the genuine things he's done, that's good. Because of his stupidity and his madness, all that is going to be like turnover. I mean, yeah, that win is not something that's going to last. It's going to... Have you listened to Tucker Carlson lately talking about Butler, Pennsylvania and all of that?

[00:13:23] I haven't seen it, but I've heard people talking about it, about how it was staged. Yeah, he's coming to the idea that basically Butler, Pennsylvania and Charlie Kirk's assassination were warnings to Trump. This is what happens to people that turn on the Jews. Look, the 800-pound gorilla in the living room is always the Jews. If you want to know why Trump... Yes. ...first of all, God elected president.

[00:13:53] He couldn't have done it without Jewish approval, without being kosher certified. Neither can anyone else. And that's where our real problem is. Yeah, I totally 100% agree. And let me be the first to say that as someone who supported Trump in 2024 and who argued with a lot of people, that I kind of minimized, downplayed, like how much of a problem this was. And boy, was I mistaken.

[00:14:22] Because that 800-pound gorilla is... Think about it, James. It is more out of control than it has been. And we talk about how we come in the last 10 years. Well, 10 years ago, you had people like Ron Paul, who was in Congress. He was popular. Hi, I'm listening. And you had people like Jeff Sessions. And let's put this in perspective. For the sake of appeasing his Jewish donors, he's trying to destroy... We'll get to Matthew.

[00:14:51] Destroy everyone in that mold. Just like he destroyed Sessions in his first term. He destroyed Thomas Massey. He destroyed Marjorie Taylor Greene. He's actively, like, trying to purge the party of anyone like who's even remotely in our ballpark. But then that wasn't his idea. And he wants to get rid of... That was the idea of Jewish... Go ahead. I was going to say... Yeah, we know that Jews may be doing it. Maybe. Well, the thing is, he's like the RCA Victor trademark.

[00:15:20] He knows his master's voice, okay? All right, all right. All right. Whether he... All right. And again, that can be debated forever. Nobody really knows. If Trump purposefully has advanced white interest on some levels, or it was all just by happenstance, or if he never intended to at all. And as Brad is saying, it's really worse than you know. And it was all by design, and he was just their happy pawn. That can be debated. But we will try to stick with what we... I think he's the unhappy pawn right now.

[00:15:49] That's why he's bucking them. And that's why... Well... You know, look. He tried to get rid of this war with one bombing. And then... All right. Netanyahu... The Jews are not going to be satisfied with anything less than the total emasculation of a round. Let's let Brad respond to this. And this is... So Lou Moore was on recently. I always love talking to Lou because he thinks just like you and I, Brad, and Keith,

[00:16:16] except he's actually been in the halls of power. He's been there as a congressional chief of staff and as a speechwriter. He ran Ron Paul's campaign for president. He was Jack Metcalf's chief of staff in D.C., so he knows how the system works in the district. But he thinks just like us. And he's just a great commentator. He's on very regularly. And I did an interview with him for American Free Press. This is going to be coming out on the next issue. And I asked him, if you had to sell Trump right now, what would be your pitch? And he responded, I'm going to read verbatim. I've got it right here.

[00:16:46] It hasn't been published yet, but I'm going to read it. He's better than a Bolshevik? That was written as a question. But Lou writes this, and I get your response to this, Brad. The issue is that after apparent betrayals, he has been sending reset signals, but is falling into a pattern in which surrogates promise action, yet nothing substantial ever materializes. They're currently discussing an ice surge in New York, which would be a positive development. But where is the comprehensive action needed for mass deportations?

[00:17:15] He clearly wants to end the conflict with Iran, but circumstances of his own making, along with Israel's influence, seem to be obstructing that goal. Moreover, there isn't a thorough plan in place to disrupt the organizations and actors, both inside and out of the government, who have repeatedly shown their desire to undermine our culture and freedom. Grassroot MAGA supporters like Steve Bannon are hopeful for this reset and are calling for the reinstatement of Greg Bovino at Customs, for example. But I don't believe that will happen. I guess the question would be to you, Brad.

[00:17:44] Do you believe that there will be anything that happens between now and November that will change anyone's thinking? I mean, because you have been open to changing your own opinion as a result of the data. Do you think there could be anything that happens between now and November, which is still an eternity in politics, even as we said here in the early summer? You don't. No, and I'll put it to you like this.

[00:18:09] Previously, you know, if we think back in our lifetimes, we think of, you know, what Republicans have ran on and said during their campaigns and what they've done in office. And, you know, look at George H.W. Bush. Read my lips. No new taxes. Right? Well, that's what he ran on, and that's what he was impelled. That's what he ran on, and that's what he was impelled on when he went down to Clinton.

[00:18:36] But that is small potatoes compared to what Trump has done. He ran on no new wars and started a war with Iran. He ran on mass deportations and hasn't done mass deportations. He ran on sticking it to the elites and transparency and accountability.

[00:19:00] And he's not only done the exact opposite in that he tried to cover up the Epstein files to protect some of the most corrupt, predatory people in the country. He's selling pardons to, like, fraudsters. And it's like the exact opposite. I wonder how many of them are Jewish. Right, right. And don't forget, you know, he also – his other big issue – and there are like four or five or six of these because there's transparency. There's accountability. There's no new wars.

[00:19:30] But the big one, probably one of the single most important things that got him elected was the economy. And he was going to be the guy who's going to bring down inflation and make America more livable. And he's gone in the opposite direction. And he's on tape, like, saying, I don't care about America's financial situation. I don't care about gas prices. It's peanuts. The old companies are making a killing. He's saying this.

[00:19:58] It's a level of political self-sabotage that is incomprehensible. So I think, Brad, what you just mentioned, and I don't think it gets mentioned enough – I did ask Lou about this in this print Q&A for American Free Press – is the affordability issue. I think that more than even Iran is going to be what really sinks in. Maybe not with our people who are more concerned with Iran for issues tangentially related to Jews. But it's the affordability. Inflation is high.

[00:20:27] The costs for essentials like gas and food have skyrocketed. People can't afford health insurance. The prospect of a young married couple becoming a homeowner is nonexistent now. And, you know, that really will matter in November. And what I am more interested in than anything is what – you know, the Jews have this principle, but is it good for the Jews? My principle, but is it good for the white Gentiles?

[00:20:50] And, you know, all I know is that, like Bob Dylan said, there's a hard rain that's going to fall if the Democrats get enough control. They will basically not only reverse everything that he's done positive, they will make it so that we are forever after a persecuted minority in the nation paid by our ancestors.

[00:21:14] We haven't seen the – like I said, we haven't seen the full scope of what Trump has done here until we're five, six years down the road into, like, whatever comes. Because, you know, when he got elected, you know, he spent his whole term going after the Democrats, and he's done all kinds of things. And they're going to come back with a vengeance.

[00:21:37] And this guy is sitting there with an approval rating that is lower than Herbert Hoover in the Great Depression. Lower than Richard Nixon after Watergate. Lower than Herbert Hoover. He's got a worse approval rating on inflation in the economy than Jimmy Carter.

[00:21:58] And, you know, he's just, you know, standing in the way, you know, whistling while this avalanche is about to come down on us. I want to talk about Massey when we come back from the break. We didn't take a break this first 30 minutes because we have so much to talk about. But I would ask you this just to set the table for what's to come.

[00:22:22] We will talk about Massey in the next segment, and then later we'll recalibrate to the utility of Trump and the overall state of white interest now versus where they were in 2015 and where they may be in years to come. But Lou Moore gave Trump no quarter in this newspaper interview. He writes that Trump has allowed his administration to be influenced by corporate interests, including big pharma, big tech, big ag, and, of course, the Israel lobby. His political operations seems to be comfortable with this situation.

[00:22:49] However, there is a growing dissatisfaction among his base due to the lack of mass deportations, no significant legal actions against deep state actors, and a failure to uphold the pledge of no new wars and other perceived betrayals. Furthermore, the cornerstone of his economic policy, which emphasizes cheap energy, is now entangled in the Straits of Hormuz. Additionally, his political operation is endorsing establishment candidates over capable grassroots favorites across the country, which is seen as yet another betrayal.

[00:23:15] He is on the wrong side of the emerging issues related to data centers, too. That's Lou Moore. But, Brad, would we be better off with the Democrats sweeping everything? I think that's a white nationalist fever dream come true in terms of how bad that would be. Yeah, a bad dream, not a good dream. Yeah, a bad dream. I mean, I know, I know, but, I mean, you look at someone's approval rating and they're lower than Herbert Hoover in the Depression. So, I mean, you know what's going to happen, like, next.

[00:23:43] So, it's really inevitable at this point. The cake is baked, and he baked it, and he's been impelled on his own words of his own promises of 10 years, saying he was going to do all this, and then goes in office and does the exact opposite. It's going to, I mean, he's cooked. And because of that, we're really cooked, too. Flip Wilson said back in the 60s, he said he had this skit where he said the devil made me do it. Well, with Trump, the Jews really did make him do it.

[00:24:11] On the other hand, if he doesn't do what they say, he'll be a dead man. I hate to be so negative, but, I mean, hey, look on the bright side. The silver lining is that, I mean, we know what took, everyone in the country knows what took him down. Ah. With St. the Titanic. You're reading my script here, Brad. Folks, go to OccidentalDissent.com during the break.

[00:24:41] Make yourself familiar with it if you're not already. When we come back, I'm going to talk about the lobby revealing their true role in American politics for everyone to see. Stay tuned. Proclaiming liberty across the land. You're listening to Liberty News Radio. News this hour from Town Hall. I'm Mary Rose. There's growing momentum to end the Iran war.

[00:25:07] Key mediator Pakistan said an agreement was closer than ever before, and Iran made some of its most optimistic statements yet. President Trump said on social media the deal was scheduled to get signed tomorrow, Sunday, and that the Strait of Hormuz would open immediately. An Iranian foreign ministry spokesperson said the likelihood of finalizing a memorandum of understanding in the coming days is high.

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[00:29:58] Through the rain, coming for a ride on a lonely Kentucky back road, you may find Thomas Massey

[00:30:40] because he's not going to be in Washington next year. Keith, I've got to tell you, very quickly, we've got to get back to serious topics with Brad Griffin, but that was really one of the most underrated masterpieces. Well, you know what that was all about. He basically gave up Hollywood and Colonel Tom's people recording his music and went back to Memphis to Chip's Moment on American Studios. They basically had to bump Neil Diamond, who was scheduled to come in, to handle Elvis, and

[00:31:09] that totally revived Elvis's career. That was more than the 68 TV proposal or anything else. He got all that good music from Chip's Moment and the band, house band at American Studios. That was 1969 when that came out. Always makes me think of February of 2000. I was with Pat Buchanan in a bitterly cold day in Lexington, Kentucky. But anyway, Thomas Massey is what we're talking about now, the Kentuckian himself.

[00:31:39] Brad, I'm going to read this to you, and I'm going to go very quickly, but it is important. And then we're going to give you all the time you need to respond. We're going to give you a wide berth here. But this is Lou Moore again writing that there is no reason to be demoralized about Thomas Massey losing. Trump was very popular in the district, and there's no way Massey was more popular than Trump at the start of the campaign. A significant amount of money was spent to challenge Massey, yet his opponent only managed to drive a turnout to 33%. The people who voted against Massey are going to be dead in 10 years.

[00:32:11] He writes that the Israel lobby, and this is what you were talking about, my friend, right before the break, the Israel lobby revealed their true role in American politics for all to see as a brutal enforcer of Mideast interventionism on behalf of a foreign power. The magnitude of the lobby's participation shows their desperation. They know they're losing the youth of both parties, left and right. Brad, nobody has done a better job of compiling that data than you.

[00:32:37] Massey performed very well among voters 18 to 29 and 29 to 46, winning these groups by a ratio of 3 to 1. However, he was significantly outvoted amongst the over 65 age group, and this is the group that votes in greater numbers. Trump's popularity in the district with $40 million behind him overwhelmed a sitting congressman, but only by 10 points.

[00:33:02] Massey's opponent ran on loyalty to the president in a district that supported Trump by two-thirds of the vote in 2024, not on issues related to Israel. So Brad, here's my point. The key point is that it's evident that the youth and the non-boomers in that district and across America are aligned with us. This indicates that the future could belong to nationalists and to critics of Israel and those opposing the current power structure in D.C. This was clearly demonstrated in the Massey race, and there are countless other data points

[00:33:31] to support that conclusion. Do you still, with disappointment in Trump notwithstanding, do you still look with hope towards the future? Yeah, absolutely. I think the future is, in fact, if anything, you know, the demise of Trump, the demise of MAGA is really going to, like, you know, set that future in motion, which I hope to get to. But about Thomas Massey, but we're not talking about the future.

[00:34:00] We're not talking about 10 years down the road. We're talking about the present, which is right now in 2026 and the next election, 2028. And you can look at it this way. Here's the way I look at it. Trump ran on accountability for 10 years. He was the guy who was going to go after the evil elites and the deep state. He was the guy who was going to hold all the crooks accountable who the establishment had let off.

[00:34:26] And what happened in his second term is he flipped the script. He held the people accountable who were trying to hold those people accountable, right? So Thomas Massey's unforgivable sin in Trump's eyes was the release of the Epstein files. And the same is true of Marjorie Taylor Greene. The same is true of Nancy May, senior doorster, her opponent in her race in the governor of South Carolina. The same is true of Lauren Ober.

[00:34:52] So he's turned the Republican Party into the party that defends pedophiles, that defends, like, people who do unconscious war crimes. And he wants that to be – to wear it to the right to wear that as the brand. That's what he is now. And not just that, but also Massey's other unforgivable sin and Marjorie Taylor Greene's and Tucker's and Alex Jones

[00:35:20] and everyone else he's gone after is that they opposed the war in Iran. So look what happened in Massey's district. He got rid of the guy who wanted to hold the Epstein class accountable and who opposed the war with Iran. He got elected like some boomer-not entity who ran on sending American soldiers' kids to be drafted to fight Israel's wars in Iran. And he turned around and did the same thing in South Carolina.

[00:35:50] You know, he's exerted all his influence to get Lindsey Graham reelected in South Carolina. And that's why, you know, I think my attitude towards Trump and the MAGA movement is baked. They're actually obstacles at this point. They're helping our political enemies win. And they're going to be destroyed because of that. And my view is that that's good. They deserve it.

[00:36:16] They deserve to be defeated when they are defeated by the Democrats because they brought this on themselves. What do you think about that? Well, this is what I would say to that. It's kind of like Humpty Dumpty. All the king's horses and all the king's men will never put it back together again if it cracks. What's going to crack if the Democrats win in November is any future for white Gentiles in America.

[00:36:45] That is going to be the number one casualty. Trump is going to be. Yeah, you said you want Trump to be history. He's going to be history in, you know. Yeah. In late November of 19 of 2028. He's not on the ballot today on this. He is having to deal with Jewish power and influence. But guess what? So is every other president. There are only two presidents since 1912 that have successfully gone against him.

[00:37:15] One was Calvin Coolidge in passing the Johnson Anti-Immigration Act. But the Jews gave him so much grief that he wound up running only for one term. Then the next one was John F. Kennedy who tried to make them come clean about their nuclear ambitions and their development of a nuclear bomb. And you know what happened to JFK, okay? So, you know, we need to.

[00:37:38] A lot of people don't want to acknowledge the 800-pound or 8,000-pound gorilla in the living room. Six million pounds. Which is Jewish power and influence. And I don't know anybody that can take them on successfully. You know, Thomas Massey, that's what we're going to find out. We're going to. I don't want us to wind up what Sam Francis, the late great Sam Francis, called us back before his death.

[00:38:06] He called white Gentiles beautiful losers. And I don't want to be a beautiful loser. I say, well, we stood for great things. But on the other hand, we lost. And now we're all in the gulag. All right. Well, I mean, all of that follows, Keith. Well, Brad, I would ask you this. I mean, again, dismissing Trump entirely at this point. And I have to say this. I'm just asking honest questions. And I'm asking them from a curious perspective. Not in so much as, you know, I have the answer.

[00:38:36] Let's see what you say. I don't. I'm asking these questions. Removing Trump from this. Certainly, there is a difference between House Republicans on some level. And I'm not a Republican. I've never considered myself to be one. I am not a Republican. I did vote for Trump three times, but I'm not a Republican. There's a difference between somebody like Andy Ogles in Tennessee and Akeem Jeffries in New York.

[00:38:59] So if we look at the data from the Massey election and we look at how the young voters are trending and we know that they're going to assume power and everybody else is going to be unshackled from their mortal coils sooner or later in the older demographics. I mean, can we set on the ball on this? Is that possible? I mean, is it is that asking too much? Is what is what? Sorry. You know, sitting on the ball, it's sort of like it looks like we're in a position now.

[00:39:29] Holding our nose and basically voting Republican in November. Well, I'm just saying. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. In House races like in Tennessee and Alabama in rural districts, there is a difference between the Republicans in those districts like Andy Ogles is one example and Akeem Jeffries. I mean, moving forward, you see that the people that voted for Massey in large numbers are impervious to the media and to Fox News and to, you know, the Israel lobbies, you know, trying to buy the elections.

[00:39:55] So I'm just asking, you know, is that something that we can look forward to in the future and just say if we just wait it out a little bit longer, things are going to start turning even more. Or else on the other option is that we lose one for all and the Supreme Court is stagged against us. All right, let's go.

[00:40:10] Yeah, in the long term, things are going to long turn in our direction just because, I mean, nothing that Trump has done like changes the fact that, you know, younger Republicans, younger conservatives have a totally different ideology and worldview than the older crowd who watches Fox News, who Trump has weaponized to get people like Lindsey Graham elected, to get people like Randy Fine, to get people like Vivek Ramaswamy.

[00:40:36] Now, should we vote our nose and go out and vote Republican and reward this behavior? My view is no. I mean, why would we do that? I mean, they have proven. They don't want to go to the Gulag when they stack the Supreme Court. All right, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Okay. They have proven that. Let's get this break. Let's get this break. Let's make up time. We've got too much going on. Go ahead, Brad. All right.

[00:41:04] They have proven that any political victory you give them will be given to their Jewish donors to purge anyone at all who's critical of Israel and that they will squander their coalition. They will squander any kind of majority you give them, and I don't think that should be rewarded. I think that that's going to be defeated, and I think at the ballot box soundly and like I'm looking forward to it. I think it's necessary.

[00:41:32] I'm not looking forward to going to the Gulag, though, okay? And that's what could happen. We're not. Let's say that they – well, you say that, but believe me, you said they burn with a white-hot flame of hatred the Democrats and the lefties and most of all the Jews against southern white Gentiles. I can't believe our good fortune in getting as much passed in our favor as we have so far under Trump.

[00:42:00] But on the other hand, if they put – let's say they double the number of people on the Supreme Court and they're all left-wingers. Right. It doesn't matter whether we have a change in our demographic and the people vote for people like Thomas Massey. When it comes to making – undoing what they're doing, they'll be checkmated at the Supreme Court at every instance. Brad, let me – Brad, answer that and take all the time you need, and then I'll come in as sort of like an intermediary between you and you.

[00:42:27] Yeah, I mean, my whole view of it is that, you know, Trump said, like I said, 35 percent. It's lower than Herbert Hoover in the Great Depression. It's lower than Richard Nixon after Watergate. It's lower than George W. Bush, you know, after Katrina, after Iraq when the Republican Party collapsed and got Obama for eight years. And so, I mean, you just look at the numbers and you can't help but draw a conclusion that ship has sailed. Trump did this.

[00:42:55] On the other hand, though, is this. They never were proposing to pack the Supreme Court before, seriously. They were never – Right. You know, and if they do that, it's game over, okay? You know – And they're going to do that. They're going to do that because they're going to win. If they do that, we'll never reverse this thing again. Well, that's – like all this has had major consequences. And I think it's terrible.

[00:43:22] I think the one good thing I will say about Trump's term, it's not really his – so much him as it is. There has been some – well, I should say some, some favorable Supreme Court decisions like on the Voting Rights Act that'll help. That's because he packed the Supreme Court with conservatives, and that's why we've gotten some good decisions out of the Supreme Court.

[00:43:46] That will come to a screeching halt if the Democrats get enough power in the legislature to pack the Supreme Court. And that's downstream of what – Trump has made people like Mark Levin the face of his entire movement. And that's going to destroy – like I said, it destroyed his coalition. It's – and that's inevitably going to bring the Democrats to power at all levels of government. And he is responsible for that.

[00:44:15] And like I said, all the good things – even the good things he's done, like the courts, like the border, like the refugee resettlement program, all that's going to be turned over. And we're going to have nothing to show for this except this stupid war for Israel. And then that'll be a wrap. It'll never change it. It'll be like Humpty Dumpty. All the king's horses, all the king's men can never bring it back together.

[00:44:38] So I think – let me reconcile this between the two of you, and I'll try to split the difference not because that needs to be done, but because this is pretty much where I land. And let me respond to this, Brad. So this is me on Trump, just being 100% real and raw. I voted for him three times, but very much unlike the personal devotion I felt for Pat Buchanan, the emotional investment that I placed in that campaign. I never felt any of that for Trump at any time.

[00:45:05] But I very much wanted him to beat Hillary, and I did feel sheer elation on election night in 2016. I mean, literally tingled. I felt a buzz watching those people cry what was supposed to be her victory party. And I felt that to get to a lesser extent even during the Kamala defeat last year. I voted for against her, too. Yeah. But here's the thing.

[00:45:30] With Trump, I always viewed him as a disruptor and assessed him on whether or not he could be a tool, whether purposefully or unintentionally or by happenstance, to advance white interests. And even now, more than a decade into this experiment, I would say that things are better now in some ways than they were in 2015. So here's what I'm looking at, Brad. And you brought up a very good point. There's no more Ron Paul. There's no more Jeff Sessions. That's a great point. Here's another point, though. The prestige of the media has been eviscerated by Trump.

[00:45:58] I think Trump truly eviscerated the media in 2016 and laid it bare. The 94-plus percent of media was against him. He still won the presidency, showed that the media can't control the voting public. The venom of the R word has been defanged to a large extent. So many things that were uniquely our intellectual properties have become mainstream, if not even somewhat, at least in theory, de facto Republican positions, remigrations. You used to call it deportation.

[00:46:27] I could go on with this. You're very aware. You're absolutely right. The Supreme Court. You know, I'm thankful that Trump and not Hillary or Biden or Kamala appointed those judges, even though they haven't been perfect. I do think, you know, everything that we are concerned about will happen if they sweep back into power. The other side, that is the filibuster. They're going to stack SCOTUS, maybe even the House, Puerto Rico and D.C. estates, you name it. It won't be the SPLC under indictment or investigations. It'll be us. So this is the question.

[00:46:56] Are we letting the disappointment of the last year of Trump blur our vision for the bigger picture and where we were 10 years ago? Are we throwing the baby out with the water? Well, I mean, yeah, let's distinguish between two things. There's Trump and there's MAGA. And then there's all these seeds of things that are going to come to fruition five years from now, 10 years from now. Trends amongst younger conservatives, amongst younger Republicans. They can't stand Israel.

[00:47:26] They agree with us on a lot of issues. And that cake is baking. But as to all that is two different issues. So you can be I can be optimistic about that. I'm still as I can I can cite all the polls. Younger people agree with us. It's the it's the brain dead Fox News crowd who Trump will does, you know, a blunt instrument. What counts is going to be who's on the Supreme Court.

[00:47:53] And, you know, I don't care how many new converts we get to our viewpoint on other things. It's all going to be still born with a 24 member Supreme Court. And, you know, 16 of those people and he's card carrying left wingers. My answer is that he's done this to us. I mean, and that's why and that's why Trump. Yeah. Anything that happens in the Supreme Court, that's on him.

[00:48:21] And all the all the devastating things the Democrats are going to do, that's on him. But like as for him, it's like I said, it's been 10 years and Trump and MAGA, they're the end of their use to us. It's beyond that. That end is like last year. Brad, let me ask you this thing. There's nothing he's going to do. If in fact that's the way it's going to go. And again, I'm asking these questions out of pure curiosity and I'm trying to explore the different scenarios.

[00:48:51] Is there a way that you can see a possible way where by losing it all, by losing the House and the Senate forever, by losing the Supreme Court, Democrat supermajority, that it gets so bad that something rises up that we have not yet heretofore seen that will advance white interest in a way that, you know, trying to work through the existing system has not. I don't believe I've never I don't believe in the worst is better theory.

[00:49:21] And I still don't believe it is. And now I just think it's inevitable with Trump's the number he's at. He's going to lose in the next two elections. It's not that I think that's going to be that going through this trial. But I do think like as the electorate changes, as the people who go out and vote for people like Lindsey Graham and people who go out and vote for people like Ed Gowring, as those people like cycle out of the electorate, things are definitely going to get better.

[00:49:48] So I'm optimistic about the future, even if like in the short term and in the in the in the present in the short term, as bad as things look now, it's going to get better down the road. But as for Trump, I mean, this is the end. This is he's well, well, the thing is nothing he's going to do for us. There's nothing he's going to do for us. It's of any value from this point. Well, you know, everybody may change, but you're going to have to wait for 16 members of the Supreme Court to die off,

[00:50:16] because the only way you get rid of them is impeachment and high crimes and misdemeanors. We're comparing him. We're comparing him to think about it. That's how bad Trump is, because if I'm right, if he's lower than Herbert Hoover, look what Roosevelt did at the Supreme Court and how long that lasted for decades. That'll be Trump's ultimate legacy. Well, you brought up something that that that needs to be repeated. I agree with you 100 percent on this.

[00:50:44] And this is Trump's fault and a detriment to his narcissistic personality is this cult of personality. Right. If you disagree with him on anything, then anybody who disagrees, anybody who agrees with him and and fillets him is going to be advanced like Lindsey Graham, who was very much opposed to Trump and never Trump originally. But as he became, you know, subservient to him, he became the face of MAGA. Mark Levin's MAGA, although Mark Levin's mad at him, I think, this week.

[00:51:11] But nevertheless, whoever is servicing him in the moment is MAGA. Whoever is servicing the Jews. Look, Mark Levin is not a Trump man. He is a Jewish man. And that's what motivates every position he takes is is is it good for the Jews? He got rid of true allies of his stated ideology because they opposed him on certain issues, MG, MG, etc., etc. There's no defending that that that's for sure. But nevertheless, I'll just look at this, you know, 10 years ago, 10 years from now.

[00:51:40] We're all along on the ride in this Trumpian era. We're all passengers on this ship. You know, how has it been? What's an honest assessment of it? Brad, final word to you. Keith, we got the last hour. We got one minute left with Brad. Occidentaldiscent.com. Wrap it up for us, Brad. Don't despair. We came back from as awful as Joe Biden was. And we'll survive whatever the Democrats throw at us next.

[00:52:03] But don't ever forget that we have Trump to thank for being given everything, the House, the Supreme Court, the Senate, everything on a silver platter. All he had to do was to execute, to deport people, to fulfill his campaign promises. And he turned on a dime and did the exact opposite, which is why he deserves to go down in disgrace and for us to wash our hands of him. So we don't deserve what's going to be coming in their wake, though. That's the thing.

[00:52:32] It's going to hurt us worse. It's going to be worse for us. See, the thing is, we'll become what Sam Francis called beautiful losers. We'll say, well, we sure stuck by our guns and our principles, but guess what? We've got to wait for a whole Supreme Court to die off before we can make any money. Well, nobody. I don't know anybody who'd stuck by that. We've certainly been advocating for the real deal. And Trump, on a totally different level, has been advocating for something. I mean, nobody's been beautiful losers here.

[00:52:59] Beautiful losers are people like, well, frankly, Thomas Massey. Well, we're thinking. Yeah, we got them elected. We gave them political power. It's not like we didn't do our part. The thing is, that's right, Brad. Brad, you're right about that. We're at the Rubicon right now. We cross Rubicon, and whatever happens, you know, it's really up to us because we cannot absolve ourselves of responsibility for turning over the reins of government to a bunch of left-wing.

[00:53:28] Well, as our guest said in the first hour, South Africa is a picture of where America is going to be headed if it goes that way. And I don't know how that serves our interest. I mean, it's a tricky question. Does it serve our interest to wait to see, you know, for us to get our comeuppance as a result of Trump's action? Or to say, well, his actions notwithstanding, it's still better off to go with at least on rural house levels, you know, some of these people who may be genuine in their thinking. I don't know.

[00:53:58] Well, I mean, you saw what the Jews did to Massey, though. I mean, how much longer would they be able to pull that off? That's the question I keep going back to. I mean, because, again, you look at the younger demographics, there's hope there. We just got to wait a little bit longer. They are impervious to the buying of these votes that, unfortunately, the older voters in Kentucky were not. Brad, listen, we could go three hours with you any week. But I'm going to encourage everybody to go. Well, we love you, buddy.

[00:54:22] And for all these years, you and your whole family, best to Renee, your children, your mother-in-law, extended family. OccidentalDissent.com, folks. I'm there every day. At least to read the comments, even if Brad doesn't have a new post up. OccidentalDissent.com. Thank you, Brad. We'll be back. Keith and I will continue this conversation in the third hour. We're going to talk about Carmela Anthony. We're going to talk about Massey's speech, too. I'll lift him in. Thank you. Well, we're honored. And Massey's speech to Congress will play that, too. Stay tuned, everybody. Thank you, Brad.