Dr. F. Roger Devlin, author of Sexual Utopia in Power, joins us to discuss the allegations of Thomas Massie being a “sexual deviant,” which have conveniently dropped a week before his primary election.
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[00:00:31] And we are back. I've got to say again, Keith Alexander, kudos to you. I tip my hat to you, my friend, for a great first hour breakdown of Brown. Well, back at you, buddy. You did the same thing. I was just asking the questions, but you did a great job. They were a good place. Thank you. Well, someone who was listening to that, and what an honor it always is when our peers and friends and people who we look up to are tuned in. Dr. F. Roger Devlin is with us now, and he said he was tuned in during that first hour.
[00:01:00] A lot of the guests that we so regularly feature are regular listeners, people like Sam Dixon and Lou Moore and others. Roger, it is great to have you back, my friend. How are you this evening? I'm doing just fine, James. Thank you. Roger Devlin, of course, known for many things, perhaps foremost for being the author of Sexual Utopia in Power. You can buy it tonight at counter-currents.com. That's where you can get it.
[00:01:28] And, by the way, Roger, that very good. The sequel is coming out in a month or two. Oh, well, in a month or two, you better go ahead and put an order in. We'll get your order in and make a return. 19 new essays. 19 new essays. Yeah, yeah, big book. Put us on your calendar for the promotional blitz, the sequel to Sexual Utopia in Power. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes the sequel is better than the original.
[00:01:56] You think of Aliens being better than Alien, you know, the movies. But, hey, with this, we expect big things. Well, listen, Roger, we would love to talk to you about that when it happens, and I'm looking forward to it. All right, great. We might have to add another essay to this current thing playing out in Kentucky. When I saw this in the news this week, I couldn't email you fast enough.
[00:02:22] And so, as a matter of fact, I'll read the email that I sent to you to the audience. I said, Dear Roger, do you think you can come back on the show with us this weekend? And I'd like to talk to you about the Thomas Massey sex scandal that is dropping a week before his primary election date, don't you know? So this primary, this much-discussed, very hotly contested primary between Thomas Massey and his opponent there in Kentucky, is going to be on Tuesday.
[00:02:49] And just don't you know it, this ex-girlfriend carried this burden for so long, but just the weight finally got to be too much to bear less than a week before the election. And so you can Google it, folks, if you need to keep up. But basically, a former girlfriend is alleging him of being a sexual deviant and him offering her a $5,000 bribe to go away.
[00:03:17] If he's a sexual deviant, then the Democrats want him to run. All right. So we've seen this before with Roy Moore. And Roy Moore, I mean, you had all these people who were coming out of the woodworks making allegations of things that had happened in the 1970s, I think, or something. Yeah. Or maybe even prior to that. This is a recent girlfriend, supposedly. This came after his first wife died, but before he married his current wife. So within the last couple of years. But nevertheless, break it down, Roger.
[00:03:45] What are you seeing as you look at this with your very critiquing and analytical eye? Well, my impression is that this is not going to have a big effect on the election, which is obviously what it's meant for. In fact, it seems to have kind of blown over already. It did not meet with a big public response. Most people seem to be catching on to this. This is just a standard tactic.
[00:04:14] Have some woman make charges against somebody you don't like, usually something having to do with sex, right before the election. It's like E.J. and Carol with Trump. Yeah, exactly. Or Christine Blasey Ford with Kavanaugh back in the day. It's just part of our politics now. And people don't take it as seriously as they used to. So that's a good sign.
[00:04:44] I don't expect... Basically, what's happening is that you're being punished for being a heterosexual. Yes, exactly. Here's the whole thing. This is the background, the allegations, and the context. So just a couple of days ago, U.S. Representative Thomas Massey is now facing allegations from her former girlfriend, Cynthia West is her name, who accused him of being emotionally abusive. Now, Roger, this has to fall into... Yeah, what does that mean?
[00:05:12] I think that means you wouldn't marry her. Hell hath no fury, as they say. Well, I mean, this has to tie into some of your research and writings. I mean, this... Well, yeah, when a woman can't accuse you of abusing her, because abuse is, you know, usually thought of as physical. So when they can't accuse you of that, they make up a new thing called emotional abuse or mental abuse or something like, you know.
[00:05:40] And it can mean anything, of course, obviously. Well, you wrote and your response to me this week, and it was so good, I'll just share it here now. Oh, okay. Ordinary men have begun to realize how common false allegations are. Many avoid any unnecessary words with female work colleagues. Women are starting to perceive that they are being avoided. Many sex differences go back to men being physically stronger than women, so that women cannot force, cannot use force to get what they want.
[00:06:08] Therefore, they specialize in all the ways of getting what they want without force, the crudest of which is to simply lie. I thought that was a brilliant response. Yeah, yeah. This is the basis, the evolutionary basis of what we call feminine wiles. Women are tricky, manipulative, and sometimes dishonest because they are physically weaker.
[00:06:31] Just because guys, for the most part, don't beat up their women anymore doesn't mean that women have changed. The psychology of women has changed. They still are masters of getting what they want without using force. You know? They're masters of manipulation. Manipulation, yeah. I used to laugh at guys who would complain about their girlfriends being manipulative. I say, she's a woman, after all.
[00:07:01] You know, that's just the way they are. You know, that's just the nature of the beast. So you have to accept it to some extent. But surely we can punish women who make false allegations. Well, you know, or can you? I mean, in the case of Roy Moore, which I watched so closely because that gave that Senate seat, at least for one term, to Doug Jones, who would have never won otherwise. But yeah, the establishment Republican Party and, of course, all of the Democrats were against Judge Moore in Alabama.
[00:07:30] But you had all of these women coming out and making these allegations from decades prior. And by all accounts, Moore was a man who was above reproach. I mean, truly a Christian man above reproach. By all we can see and know. But they came out and then they made all of these allegations. And then immediately after he lost that election, Roger, if you'll recall, all of those cases were dropped and the women just went away.
[00:07:53] So I don't know. I mean, he would have had every right to go after them and try to get a pound of flesh for costing him a Senate seat. But they all either retracted or just dropped it or just otherwise went away. He was you know, there was nothing there and it just all evaporated. And so I'm hoping that people are getting wise to this. But in this case, Cynthia West, who was a former congressional aide to Massey, alleged that I mean, Massey offered her five thousand dollars to walk away from this complaint that she was going to file.
[00:08:22] You know, and I asked Keith, I said, what are you going to do with five thousand dollars? Go to Pigeon Forge for a weekend? I mean, what kind of money is that for a for a pay off in politics and American politics? Yeah. And yeah, in American politics. And she said that she alleges that he said that this was money. And of course, he would volunteer this information to her. Don't you know? But this was money that he had hidden from the IRS from selling cow items, whatever that means. I guess he has a farm and maybe he sells raw milk.
[00:08:52] I don't know. Or cow patties. Yeah. You know, the worst thing about this is that is the Trump administration behind this. And if they are, this shows just how Machiavellian some people in his hierarchy are that after Trump suffered through just this type of persecution under E. Jean Carroll and others. I would say it's probably the Jewish interests that are aligned against Massey more so than Trump himself, although he's certainly against Massey. I mean, that's all just speculative. Who knows?
[00:09:20] But I mean, somebody definitely put her up to this. I mean, I just don't answer. You know, after Stormy Daniels and E. Jean Carroll, you know, I'm really surprised that he would, you know, even endorse people doing this type of business. Well, that's all speculative and a little bit of an aside. But anyway, Roger, what do you think? I mean, you know, what do you think about the timing of this? Let's just get down to that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, exactly. Exactly. This is just this has just become standard operating procedure.
[00:09:48] And I really think that most of the voters in Kentucky and elsewhere are going to see through it. I don't expect it to change the outcome of the upcoming election. I hope not. Well, you know, they can get him for being heterosexual. So then Pete Buttigieg, also known as Booty Man, and his homosexual lover and I guess spouse now are beyond reproaching.
[00:10:16] Anybody that would dare to suggest that that might be sexual deviancy would be, you know, pilloried and cast into the outer dark. Well, you know, it does look like. I was wondering how they managed to get sexual deviancy out of an alleged hush money scheme. $5,000. Like I said, I mean, that's a deviancy right there. If it had been $5 million, there would be no deviancy. All right. I want to talk. We got Roger for one more segment.
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[00:14:00] A few men have sung that tune in the age of radical feminism. Yeah, like Thomas Massey, that's his new theme song. Well, I've got to ask you this, Roger, serious question before we move even a moment forward. Are you a doo-wop man, my friend? And if so, who's your act? I grew up with that music. Come Go With Me was one of my favorites when I was a teenager. Everybody thought I was crazy because everybody was listening to the Bee Gees. You know what? I knew that I liked Roger for a reason.
[00:14:30] Now we've gotten to the bottom of it. Yeah, although I like Since I Don't Have You even more than that. The Skyliners. Yeah, that's right. Well, it's good stuff. There's no doubt about it. But, Roger, let's give him a sneak peek. I don't want to give away the full thing. But it was going to be in the last issue, the most recent issue of the American Free Press. But then we had this bombshell with the SPOC. It got pushed a week so we could do a panel discussion.
[00:14:54] But in the issue that is going to print on Monday and that will be mailed to subscribers nationwide later next week, there will be an exclusive clue-in-a, clue-in-a, Q&A with Roger Devlin. And I've got to say, Roger, I mean, you know, you've made so many appearances on this program. We've known each other for so many years. But you did a tremendous job at this one. I mean, I asked some questions to get your pilot light going. But this was a truly – I think everybody's going to enjoy reading it.
[00:15:23] Without giving away too much, what are some of the topics we covered in this piece that's going to go to American Free Press subscribers in the next issue? Well, it's about the breakdown of relations between men and women in America, largely due to feminism and the sexual revolution and how that's played out.
[00:15:43] It seems to be leading – for like the last 30 years, men have been on the hot seat being accused of this, that, and the other. And just within the last few years, people have made an amazing discovery, which is that young men no longer want to get married. And apparently nobody's going to do lower birth rates too, doesn't it, now, because of all of this?
[00:16:09] They thought that they could make us – characterize us as date rapists and harassers and this, that, and the other, and that women didn't need us for anything at all. Until one day they realized that guys were not – you know, guys were just kind of dropping out. A lot of guys stopped dating women altogether. They just, you know, are even shunning them.
[00:16:35] As I said in that email to you, you know, at work, it's something that women have noticed. The women are all working, of course, outside the home now. And their colleagues won't, you know, won't speak one word to them beyond what is necessary to carry out the, you know, the functions of the job. And this has begun to register. Women realize now that many of them are simply not going to be able to find husbands.
[00:17:03] And this is really just the natural endpoint, I think, of the sexual revolution and the feminist revolution. Well, folks, be sure if you are an American Free Press subscriber to check it out in the next issue. If you are not, you can subscribe at AmericanFreePress.net. We ask you to do so.
[00:17:22] And after a brief embargo of exclusivity, I will bet you a dollar to a donut that you may see this Q&A with Roger that we're speaking of right now at the Occidental Observer. And what I'd like to ask you is please send us a copy of your new improved sexual utopian power. This is a second edition out. That's only slightly revised.
[00:17:46] But there's going to be a new collection of 19 essays called Not Hooking Up coming out in June or July, I think, from Countercurrents. And so I hope you'll be looking out for that. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm going to get in touch with Greg Johnson, and we may have identified our third quarter fundraising incentive. Oh, okay. Roger. Yeah, I mean, we'll talk about it. But so we're looking forward to that.
[00:18:14] And when that comes out later this summer, late summer, early fall, we'll definitely have you back for a full hour to give it the full treatment. But going back to Massey very quickly here. Okay, so, you know, Massey, I just want to say this, and I want to be very clear. I hope that he wins only because I do like wild cards. I do like people who upset the apple cart and are, you know, sort of chaotic. But, but, but, but. There is a but.
[00:18:43] I am not nearly as high on Massey as a lot of our fellow travelers are. He is undoubtedly very good on the Jewish issue, at least insofar as he's not taking money from that lobby. He's very good on war. He is equally horrible on immigration and other things. That's because he's a libertarian. Yeah, I mean, libertarians are wild hares, and they're all over the place.
[00:19:08] So I appreciate, yes, he is one of a kind when it comes to not taking money from the Jewish lobby and voting against these wars. I appreciate that. I do. But on immigration, he's like an F. Alternatively, and I, listen, there's no saving grace to a creature like Randy Fine. I'm not saying this because, hey, let's look at the good side of Randy Fine. I'm not saying that. But Randy Fine got an A-plus from Nick Fuentes on immigration. He wants to send them all back. He wants to build a wall, this, that, and the other.
[00:19:37] He got an A-plus on immigration. Of course, he's an F on the Jewish question. Why can't we just have a normal American who's good on both? I mean, but they're not there. But anyway, I mean. There do exist libertarians who favor immigration restriction, but they're kind of a rare bird. It's not massive. So this is what I'm saying. I mean, if I had to pick, I'd want him to win. If he loses on Tuesday, I'm not going to lose any sleep on Wednesday.
[00:20:03] But I would say, I've got to say, gentlemen, if a gun to my head right now, I think he's cooked. I think he is going to lose on Tuesday. What do you think, Roger? Really? I know I'm not sure about that. There's the same group of people that have elected Rand Paul, and he's kind of a. . . And Rand Paul just did come out. And by the way, Rand Paul just came out with a big endorsement. And don't get me wrong, Roger. I'm saying, while I say there's good and bad to Massey, and I'm not as hung up on him as some of our friends are,
[00:20:35] I would still prefer him to win. I don't know if he's going to win. I would say I think he may probably lose right now. Yeah, but we'll see. But on the other hand, it may be better off if his adversary, you know, if he is an establishment Trump guy, he's going to be pro-Jewish and hopefully anti-immigration. Yeah, but the pro-Jewish thing is no good either. I'm just saying, I mean, there's just pros and cons across the board. Anyway, let's toss it back to our guests. We can talk later. We've got two flawed candidates.
[00:21:03] But one thing about Rand Paul, Rand Paul did come out with a big endorsement of Massey, and that's fine. That's good. Rand Paul's son just got, I think, he was drunk at a bar and was, did you see this, Roger? He was drunk at a bar last week and was mouthing off about Jews and homosexuals and all kinds of other things. It was like a Mel Gibson thing. Did you see that? Well, probably learned that he has sexually harassed somebody during his drunken stupor also.
[00:21:31] Anyway, this was Rand Paul's son, and he came out saying some really base things while he was drunk. And anyway, you know, in vino or based? Based. In vino veritas, Roger. In vino veritas. Right, we need drunk politicians who will tell the truth. Maybe we need to get them all drunk before they vote and it would be a better world. All right, but anyway, final thoughts on Massey. So you think he's going to pull it out? I think it's very possible.
[00:21:56] I mean, I've seen voters, sometimes voters are actually motivated to do what they know the big money doesn't want them to do. You know, there'll be a certain amount of just out of orneriness support for Massey. And you know, the guy who's running against him is no knight in shining armor force. I doubt he's any good at it. I mean, he may be okay with some issues. He won't even debate Massey. I don't think he even does public appearances. He's something of a mystery.
[00:22:25] He's kind of the Republican version of Fetterman. Well, you know the Jews are running him. I mean, there's no doubt the Jews are running him. And so for that reason alone, I would say I do want Massey to win, although I have some equivocations with Massey. But, you know, we'll see what happens. But, you know, Kentucky is one of these weird states, too, where they'll elect people like Massey and Rand Paul, but they'll also elect a Democratic governor. I mean, normally. They'll also elect Mitch McConnell. Well, there you go. I mean, South Carolina is weird in that regard, too.
[00:22:52] I mean, they're all Republicans, but it's like, you know, the Star Wars bar scene type of Republicans, Nikki Haley and Tim Scott. Anyway, so there are some weird states like that that are eclectic. I mean, let's just use that word. Well, Roger, a minute to go. You're our guest. Keith, let's lay off the mic, me and you. Give Roger the final word. Oh, my. You're leaving me in the lurch. You always ask us a good question. Anything you want. No, anything you want. Well, okay, okay. Here's something. Here's something. Anything needs to be said that hasn't been said so far. Yeah, there's a question. Here's something out of left field.
[00:23:21] I'm going to Portugal with Jared Taylor. They're having a re-migration summit there, big, big event, nationalists from all over Europe. And we're going to be there. I'm going to be covering it for American Renaissance. You know what? I was talking to Jared on the phone, I think, yesterday. And I knew he was going there. And I knew you were going to be there with him. And Nick Scanlon, who's a veteran British activist, will also be there. So maybe you'll run into him.
[00:23:51] Cyan Quinn will be there and other people that we know. But Nick Scanlon will be there. And he will be calling in live to TPC that night. It'll be midnight in Porto, Portugal. But he'll be calling in with a full recap of the day's proceedings. And I can't wait to hear his report and read yours in American Renaissance. That's exciting. That's coming up two weeks from tonight is when you'll be there. Yes. And the May. Tell them you're a big fan of Vasco da Gama. Yes. I'll be sure to do that.
[00:24:22] Well, that sounds fun. You know, it was a big event last year when they did it. And I think this is the second one, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. And to bigger and better things onward and upward. And, Roger, I can't wait to talk to you again soon, later this summer, when your new book comes out. If you want the first edition, counter-currents.com is the exclusive place to get it. Please do so. Sexual Utopian Power, an institution unto itself. Thank you, Roger Devlin. We appreciate you, buddy. Bye-bye. Good to hear from you.
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[00:30:52] That is not the only ominous anniversary of this time in May. Brown vs. Board, 1954, May 17, 1954. May 15, 1972, the day George Wallace was shot. I actually did an appearance, a guest appearance on Mike Gaddy, and you just heard his ad there in the last break package.
[00:31:17] But I did a guest appearance on Mike Gaddy's Rebel Madman show on RBN, co-hosted by none other than Rich Hamblin. And they were talking about the assassination attempt on Governor Wallace on this weekend in 1972. And they had asked me for, you know, some insights on Wallace and so much as, you know, we had interviewed his son, of course, quite famously.
[00:31:45] And we went through some of the great revelations that George Wallace Jr. had shared on this very program, TPC, whatnot about, you know, Elvis being a big fan, the Wallace for President yard sign on the Graceland lawn in 1968. And some of the other things, like Gary Sinise, who we've also interviewed on this program, most famous for playing Lieutenant Dan and Forrest Gump. But he had been in so many movies with so many A-list. I mean, truly, Gary Sinise is an A-list talent.
[00:32:15] And we'd interviewed Gary Sinise on this show. Gary Sinise played George Wallace in the TNT movie. George Wallace was the name of it. Ted Turner, by the way, died earlier this month. And I have a little soft spot in my heart for Ted Turner for reasons you know, folks. Ted Turner, through his work at TNT and TBS, Turner Network Television and Turner Broadcasting System, TNT produced movies for a good while and a lot of good ones.
[00:32:43] Ted Turner had a heavy hand in the production of Gods and Generals, which is one of our favorites. But also he produced the movie The Hunley, which starred Armand Asante and Donald Sutherland, talking about the heroism of the crew of the CSS H.L. Hunley, the submarine, of course. But he also made the movie George Wallace, which starred Gary Sinise as George Wallace and Angelina Jolie as Cornelia Wallace, his second wife. Mayor Winningham played Governor Lorleen Wallace, his first wife.
[00:33:11] And just a great movie, great character actors. Don Baker, Joe Don Baker played Big Jim Folsom. It was just a great movie. And when on the day that George Wallace died, by pure coincidence, obviously, you couldn't have planned this, but on the day George Wallace died, Gary Sinise won an Emmy for Best Lead Actor in a TV movie
[00:33:38] for playing Wallace, George Wallace, in the movie George Wallace. And he said it was the most intriguing part he had ever played. And he spoke of the governor with great reverence and actually announced his death while he was receiving his Emmy. He said, with a heavy heart, I tell you, that Governor George Wallace has just died. And talked to George Wallace Jr. about that and, well, and so many other things as well. But nevertheless, just wanted to make mention of the fact that this was also the time of year,
[00:34:08] almost to the day of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, that George Wallace was nearly assassinated. They did shoot to kill, of course. A lot of other things George Wallace Jr. said in that interview with us, Keith, one of them being that he called Arthur Bremer in prison. And he said, Arthur, he said, I forgive you. Arthur Bremer was the assassin, attempted assassin. And he said, I forgive you, and if you'll accept Jesus Christ into your heart, we'll be together in heaven one day.
[00:34:33] And, you know, it's just a big contrast to the George Wallace as he's portrayed versus the George Wallace that he really was. But he really was someone who stood for us on the issues when the lights were brightest. I know he was a populist prior to the early 60s. And then he became the George Wallace we knew. And then, you know, after he was elderly and infirmed, he was a little more conciliatory on the racial issue in the 1980s.
[00:35:01] But when it mattered, he was right there. His rhetoric was right on point. Maybe he should have done more. Maybe it should have been more than this performance art at the school door. Maybe he should have told them to lock and load. But it's easy for us to say that when we weren't in that position. But I will tell you, I loved his rhetoric. I loved his stand. He is the one above anybody else of the southern governors at that time that really took the mantle and almost made it all the way with it.
[00:35:30] In fact, I was asking Mike Gaddy about this. I would ask you this now, Keith. This is something George Wallace Jr. said on this show when we interviewed him about it. He said they were hundreds of delegates ahead in 1972. He said they took him out the only way he could be taken out, and that's with an assassin's bullet. He said George Wallace would have been president in 1972. Look, I've looked into this.
[00:35:53] Basically, Jewish power and influence has used assassination as a tool against their political enemies since the first century. You don't see a lot of POSs getting assassinated. It's normally the people who are doing something that we like. Right. Basically, like I said, they have a three-step process. First of all, they try to bribe you. That's what APAC does. Secondly, if that doesn't work, they'll try to blackmail you. That's what Epstein Island was about. The honeypots. Yeah.
[00:36:22] And third, if that doesn't work, they'll assassinate. And, you know, even mass assassination, i.e., 9-11. This is what has happened, and that's who you're dealing with. And, for example, we were talking about Brown v. Board of Education. And at the very end, we were talking about what happened and who was responsible. Look, it wasn't just liberals.
[00:36:46] It was Jewish power and influence because why would somebody like Earl Warren want to take out the white working class up north and white southerners? Doing it because, like the RCA Victor trademark, he knows his master's voice. That's why so many white Gentile liberals follow the money and do what their masters ask them to do, and their masters are Jewish. All right.
[00:37:14] So, again, this was George Wallace Jr. saying that there were hundreds of delegates ahead. Now, this is something that Rich and Mike brought up on the show earlier today on RBN. And, by the way, I would encourage you to go to Republic Broadcasting Network RBN and find the Rebel Madman archive for today, Saturday, May the 16th. I was on there for the first half hour of that show today, and we were talking about it. But they both believed that Wallace would have been president in 72.
[00:37:41] And Rich brought up the fact that, you know, we always talk about upstart candidates like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan for really making a dent, really making an insurgency, but never quite breaking through. Even Ross Perot, who was the most successful third-party candidate in recent history, he never won a state. George Wallace, as a third-party candidate, carried several states in 1968.
[00:38:04] But in 72, running again, he was on track to win the nomination. Yeah, people don't want to recognize how effective Wallace was. And Wallace was not effective because he was some silver-tongued devil. He was effective because his ideas resonated with the electorate. And Wallace Jr. was talking about how popular he was in places like Michigan. It really transcended the Mason-Dixon line.
[00:38:32] And, you know, and of course, a lot of people up north, too, by the way. I mean, this wasn't a monolithic thing where only southerners knew, you know, what was going on. And there were people in the north who were very much on board with that. Now, we joke about people in Vermont who had never met a black person and could be much more open to the fact that they are as they are portrayed on TV. It's just... But then people in Massachusetts and Boston that did get with them, they were right on board with it. That's right. That's right.
[00:38:58] So, anyway, that's another ominous anniversary this weekend. And I want to make mention of the fact of Ted Turner dying this month as well. You know, he founded CNN. I had to look it up today because I'm so right-wing. I honestly couldn't remember what CNN stood for. I always thought Clinton News Network, Communist News Network. It was actually Cable News Network. But it was the first... I mean, he was a revolutionary.
[00:39:23] He was a pioneer in cable news, although Fox News, you know, eventually supplanted CNN, you know, for obvious reasons and for good reason. But CNN was the first 24-7 cable news service. And Ted Turner was on our side on some things. I mean, I saw with my own eyes. I was feet away from Ted Turner on horseback. I've told this story so many times before. I know your eyes are rolling now, folks.
[00:39:49] But I saw Ted Turner dressed as a Confederate general on horseback leading the funeral of the Hunley crew. And he made the movie The Hunley. He put his money into that. He made the movie George Wallace. That portrays George Wallace as entirely sympathetic. I mean, if not a hero. He made Gods and Generals. He made, you know, these movies and others. So, you know, I don't know if he was with us all the way, but he was certainly with us more than a lot of our friends are
[00:40:15] because he put millions of dollars into messages that we would have wanted out there. What could have possessed him to marry Jane Fonda? That I don't know. Because, I mean, even at his age when he married Jane Fonda, who was not his first wife, but even in the 90s as an older man, and, you know, he lived to be in his 90s, he could have done a lot better than that as a billionaire. Yeah, she wasn't that hot when he married her. No, she wasn't that hot ever. I mean, you know, we're not talking about Angela Lansbury here. Yeah, right, yeah. But I remember Barbarella.
[00:40:45] She was pretty hot looking then. Was she Barbarella? Yeah. I thought she was Barbarella. I thought she was a rabbit. Please don't give us Barbarella. Hey, folks, it's your friend Harry Cooper here. You know, it always feels like home when I'm on this show, and I want to invite everyone to check out Shark Hunters. Head on over to sharkhunters.com,
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[00:43:07] I owed a big apology by the decision makers of the 1950s and 60s,
[00:44:00] but the music was... Hey, okay. Yeah. I mean, you know, it just couldn't be topped. Well, anyway, I guess there's one more thing I want to talk about tonight. I don't know what's going on here, but, you know, we celebrated it about 10 years ago, and I still celebrate it for many reasons. This proliferation of pro-white commentary. I mean, we're just talking about Matt Walsh has now got on board now,
[00:44:29] and 2026, better late than never. Nobody figured out the civil rights thing was all, you know, just BS. But between 2004 and about 2015, 16, there was no other pro-white broadcast on the air in any way. Not in any... And no broadcast that would put down the civil rights movement, for example. Certainly. That was the high holy moment of Western civilization,
[00:44:58] according to the establishment. Certainly not. And in no way whatsoever, but in certainly no meaningful way, that was pro-white until about the dawn of the Trump era. And now they proliferate. And I mean, now, and I don't know what it is, but since I rejoined Twitter, I never got reinstated to my account that had so many, you know, followers, you know, a strong five-figure following count. You know, we were getting a million views on some tweets,
[00:45:26] and we restarted. We hadn't really cultivated. It's just whatever. But I don't know what's going on with the algorithm since Musk has taken over. Although Musk has been a plus. I mean, he's saying all kinds of pro-white things. I mean, Musk is taking it as far as we ever have on a lot of issues. Not all issues, but on a lot of issues. And so, I mean, I welcome all of that. South African heritage is coming to the fore finally. But with a lot of these new content creators, what is going on out here? Let me tell you something.
[00:45:55] You know, we mentioned Ted Turner. When I was making regular appearances on CNN back in 2007, and I was on primetime programming. I mean, this wasn't, you know, their middle of the night or early a.m. hour programming or midday programming. This was their... You weren't there with Art, what his name, and the flying saucers or whatnot. No, this was their primetime, you know, 8 p.m. Eastern or 7 p.m. Eastern hour. Do you know how many people they averaged in 2007 during their primetime hour? No idea. How many viewers?
[00:46:26] 2,000. The 650,000. Wow. That was primetime. And for that, to advertise on those primetime slots was anywhere between, you know, five figures to low six figures for a 30-second ad. And now everybody who voted for Donald Trump, apparently, that's on Rumble or Twitter or Facebook or whatever, they have hundreds of thousands of followers.
[00:46:54] I mean, you know, they, according to these metrics, have follower counts that are, you know, rival or, you know, exceed what, you know, primetime cable news was doing in 2007 when they were getting, you know, five and six figures for 30-second ads on any given show. I don't believe it for a second. I don't know what's going on. I think that had to be. That had to be spurious information. No, I don't know. They could not have been getting that much. I don't know what the – no, they were getting that much. They were getting that much, that's for sure.
[00:47:24] What I don't believe is real is, you know, some of these botted or paid-for followers. Whatever. But the point is this. The standards have fallen a lot in right-wing commentary that I've seen recently since I've rejoined Twitter. And I'm thankful for them for, you know, talking about Jewish power and influence, talking about racial realities. I mean, they do do that. They do that when they have time to do that
[00:47:52] because what they mostly do is they emote and they are gossiping about other people who are competitors. And everybody that I've seen, including not regulars, but even some people that have appeared on this program in the past, but a lot of them engage in this, everybody they don't like is a fed or a queer or if they really don't like them, they're a gay fed. And that is pretty much what you do. A gay Jewish fed.
[00:48:19] You know, what you've got here is the original. That's number one. It's the original and it's time-tested and battle-proven. And we've got the scars and the receipts to show it. I mean, some of these people know Pat Buchanan. They certainly didn't work for him. But for the most part, I'm thankful for the help. I'm thankful for more people saying these things. But when you want a program or- If I'm the real McCoy, you want the political cesspool, right? We're certainly the original.
[00:48:48] But I just don't know. I don't know what's going on here. I mean, I have seen even on YouTube, I mean, parents play, you know, these toy reviews where parents play with Play-Doh and it's got like hundreds of millions of views. Are you kidding me? I mean, those people should be able to retire. One ad on that if you're getting, you know, hundreds of millions of views and you should be able to retire. It must be big at, you know, mental institutions. I don't know what's happening. But I am thankful for those of you who keep us going, including this young man who emailed me.
[00:49:18] I've got a mountain of mail. I've been trying to read since March. I mean, a mountain of mail in our mailbag. You know, we'll read this one though. This was good. So young man emailed me and he said, I just wanted to tell you that we love you and we love what you and Keith do. And if it would entertain your audience, I would be happy to come on as a guest and explain why it is so important to our heritage to fight in armor.
[00:49:48] So what this guy does is, and apparently there's a sport, where they dressed up in, and I've seen the videos, they dress up in full knight armor. It's called LARPing, live action role playing. Well, I mean, not really, not in a negative way. I mean, it is. No, it's a real thing. I remember they had. Yeah, but normally when you say LARPing, it's done in a derogatory way. But not in this case. I mean, in this case, they are doing that. I was just at the American Muscle event for Patriot Front
[00:50:18] back the last week of March, and that's where we are marked around the world, bled into Confederate History Month, and Philip De Winter was on in the first hour, and then we went into this. They were all fighting and boxing. I mean, that's not LARPing. I mean, that's just people doing sort of an esoteric thing. There's people that are dressed up like knights in shining armor or something. Well, they don't go out knight in shining armor to the supermarket. I'm just saying they fight in this, and it's pretty cool. They've been doing that since I was a teenager. I remember there was a group at my high school that did that. Well, here's what he says. He says,
[00:50:47] My family is from Clan McLaren from Scotland who fought alongside William Wallace and Robert the Bruce back in the day, and I am one of many who are fighting to keep the left-wing pollution and from their pursuit to turn armored combat of our great white ancestors into another gay pride fiasco like other sports. I like that. I appreciate that. I'm with him, and I'm sure you are as well, Keith. Absolutely, yeah. Look, I was approached about getting into a group like that. I'd love to see you dressed as a full knight.
[00:51:17] Well, they had this stone bridge in Audubon Park in Memphis, and that's where they would gather every Saturday morning to do this. And as far as I know, they're still doing that. Well, so I emailed him back, and he wrote, You just made my year. I thank you kindly, and I very much look forward to another Saturday show. You honor me and so many others that refuse to allow our ancestors' heritage,
[00:51:46] culture, and families to fade or be forgotten despite the forces we face. Thank you, and please tell Uncle Keith that he's been adopted into my family that he never knew he had. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate that. And so we're going to get this guy on. Very interesting. He sent me some videos, and I'm talking about they're in full armor from head to toe. You can't see anything. I mean, full knight in shining armor armor,
[00:52:13] and they're beating the hell out of each other with axes and broadswords. Cudgels and... I mean, it's intense, and so we'll have him on soon. Anyway, but we've got a lot of other stuff here. I can't get into it tonight. I mean, I've got so many. Listen, folks, keep sending the letters. Keep sending the emails. Keep sending everything. However, smoke signals and carrier pigeons, however you can communicate with us. We read them all. We respond to as many as we can. We can't certainly respond to all of them on the air.
[00:52:42] But they do mean a lot to us. They uplift us. Keith, we've got to take some time in a show coming up this summer and just go through the mailbag because some of these things, I thought that one was very interesting because it was just so unique. I mean, to know that there are people who are engaging in this. He's at an event tonight where he's engaging in this sort of competition. It's very interesting. But we've got so many other letters here that make for good springboards
[00:53:11] into talking points and commentary that we'll get into. We should take an hour at some point this summer and just read through the mailbag. You know, I just suddenly, while you were talking about it, remember the name of the guy who was a classmate of mine that tried to enlist me to get involved in that. His name was Terry Davenport. So, you know, I really, this is a legitimate memory. I remember this. There's some place over there near Southern and Goodlett, I think it is,
[00:53:40] the name of the street near the Southern Railway tracks where they would meet and have these combats on a regular basis. So, you know, that's been – Let me just ask you the real question. We only got a minute left. I've got to ask you. How are you going to get Chud the Builder off? I don't think I can since I'm not a criminal lawyer. I'm a civil lawyer. And there are a lot of lawyers who are criminal lawyers
[00:54:07] who don't practice defending criminals. They're criminals themselves. Well, that's another one that's – Maybe Kyle Bristow can help you with that. I don't think he's licensed in Tennessee. Although I will tell you, I got an email from Kyle today, and Kyle's doing good work. And Kyle's had some nice victories there. Well, that's wonderful. And still in touch with Kyle.
[00:54:34] And, you know, Kyle's a timepiece maker now. He makes fine watches, which I wear any time I get dressed. Well, what I'd like to do is get somebody that can repair something that I have. I have some good old mechanical watches that are family airways. All right. We'll be back. Go Marino.