[00:00:01] You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is The Political Cesspool. The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program. And here to guide you through the murky waters of The Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
[00:00:30] Tonight's show, the first since Donald Trump re-assumed office, continues a week ago tonight. Congressman Steve King, Lou Moore, Ron Paul's former campaign manager, chief of staff in Congress for six years in D.C., Jared Taylor, and others were on the program.
[00:00:50] And that was just, what, 48 hours less than before Trump was sworn in, and even our most optimistic projections seem to have fallen short of what this week has brought.
[00:01:06] But at the very top of the list of things that we were so happy to see was the blanket pardons and the full pardons of almost everyone who was involved in the J-6 demonstrations. And the very few, I think it was just a handful, that didn't get full pardons, had their sentences commuted. So they're all out of jail 100 percent, all out of prison 100 percent.
[00:01:31] And we are delighted now to be able to bring you one of the people who suffered through that injustice after being targeted by the federal government in the wake of the events of January 6, 2021. Christian Sikor wrote a fascinating analysis of power in modern America. This is a book called The American Regime that has been published by Antelope Hill Publishing, antelopehillpublishing.com.
[00:01:59] And a little later this hour, at the halfway point, we're going to bring back our good friend Taylor Young, and we're going to talk a little bit more about the book. But first, we want to talk to Christian himself, one-on-one, about his experiences and what it was like to be there on January the 6th, and what happened after that and how he responded and what his mindset is now.
[00:02:24] Our producer, we had Christian connected, and if we need to call him on the cell phone, Liz, I think you have it, and you can do that. He was just there. I was just talking to him, and we'll get him reconnected here in just a moment. But in the meantime, while our producer is taking care of getting him back on the horn, we will have a print Q&A interview with him and the American Free Press as well. And that was the conversation that we were having earlier this week.
[00:02:52] And I will say this while we're waiting on Christian to rejoin us that I'll just reiterate what I said in the first hour. Inspiring. Inspiring. His vision, his determination, his steadfast resolve in the wake of all of that is exactly, this is exactly the kind of man that we need to be advancing. He is about half my age as I am half the age of one of the gentlemen in this room tonight.
[00:03:18] And I think the quaint quote is, for progress to occur, two generations must agree. Well, we've got three in agreement tonight, and it's exciting. And Christian, are you there with us? I'm here. I think we got disconnected literally at the second. Of course. Well, I mean, it is live radio, and so you set yourself up to fail sometimes. But most of the time it goes off without a hitch. We've got a crack production team. But we will have to move very quickly here because I want to try to get to the audience as much as we can.
[00:03:48] We're going to skip the breaks. The stations don't like when we do that, but we're going to have to skip the break. There's just too much happening this week. So let's go quick. It's great to have you back. I just gave you an introduction, so I think people will know your story. Please tell us what compelled you to travel to Washington, D.C. on that fateful day, January the 6th, 2021. Well, you know, I remember almost like it was yesterday. I was at a watch party for the election with some of my friends from UCLA.
[00:04:15] And, of course, Trump was pulling ahead or basically had clearly taken the election. But I had like a sixth sense that something was off. And sure enough, the next day it pulled that Biden had somehow won, which was pretty insane because people like to forget it. But Biden, even in 2020, was basically completely senile.
[00:04:42] And so for the next few months, I participated in the Stop the Steel movement, which unfortunately did absolutely nothing. I went to D.C. a couple of times. I think it was in October and November. And I watched them the street fighting between Antifa and Proud Boys. And, again, all this did absolutely nothing.
[00:05:08] And finally, the event of January 6th somehow showed up in the mind of everybody. And so we all went. It was literally hundreds of thousands of people. And, well, you know, one thing led to another. And a bunch of people got into the Capitol. Well, and you were one of them. And not just one of them, my friend. And you were one, I believe, with a flag. And you were in there in the Capitol.
[00:05:37] And you talked a little bit about how you gained that access. But you actually became one of the more famous J6 hostages. I think another gentleman that I talked to, Richard Barnett, you were probably in the same room with him at the same time in Nancy Pelosi's office. He was the one who quite famously put his feet up on her desk. He was from Memphis, which is where we're from. And he lives in Arkansas now. He's a volunteer firefighter by all accounts, a good man. I talked to him on the phone a few times before he was sentenced.
[00:06:06] And, of course, he's free now as well. But you were in Pelosi's office, if I understand correctly. And then you actually sat in Mike Pence's chair. So what was that chain of events? Moving as quickly as we can. Because I want to be sure to get all of this in. Your testimony is fascinating. What was that chain of events that led you from the lawn where Donald Trump was speaking to Mike Pence's chair? You sat in Mike Pence's chair. Yeah.
[00:06:34] So we were we were listening to Donald Trump's speech after a while. I mean, I don't know what the temperature was. It was definitely sub freezing. And me and some of the young guys who were there were getting pretty bored after like, must have been 40 minutes of listening to him talk. And I'm like, OK, so when are we when are we going to audit the election? And someone told me, hey, something's going down at the Capitol. And, you know, hungry for something interesting.
[00:07:03] We all basically sprinted at least a mile to the Capitol where there was there was certainly a commotion. Flashbangs going off. Police throwing peppers or they were shooting pepper balls from paintball guns and utilizing CF gas. And for whatever reason, I just wanted to go to the front, you know, be be right there to see history.
[00:07:33] And the police just they just kept on retreating, you know, police line by police line. And so eventually we were at really the doors of the Capitol and they just opened them up and we're like, all right, cool. So we won. So we can do this sit in protest to voice our grievance with what we what we believe to be a stolen election. And I want to I want to close his office.
[00:08:02] I wasn't there during the famous shots of, like you said, the other guy putting his legs on the desk or the total maze. I don't know how they find their way around there. And we eventually found our way to the Senate chamber. What you usually see on TV, literally just right there.
[00:08:32] And no one was sitting in the chair. So I thought, well, I did obvious, which is test it out. Well, so let's talk about that. So there you were. And you gave to me. We were doing a Q&A over email earlier this week. And when I read your response to this, I pumped my fist. I said, I can I can understand that. What emotions did you feel as you participated in the events of January the 6th?
[00:08:59] You that led you from Donald Trump's speech into Mike Pence's chair. You said that, well, it was the most exciting experience of your life and that really only actual warfare might top it for those of a certain mindset. Yeah, absolutely. It was very cool to kind of have like that collective conscious. You know, the psychology of the crowd is very invigorating. I can definitely see how people like Antifa would be addicted to that sort of thing.
[00:09:29] Of course, they have no repercussions. And at the time, we believed that we weren't going to have repercussions because after all, we were just protesting, doing a sit-in. And really it was the police who were starting all the violence. And they were, and this has been going on for months, by the way, when I went to D.C. during October and November, their miniature protests. I don't know if I've felt a miniature. There were tens of thousands of people there.
[00:09:54] But there's a famous video of them attacking conservatives, burning their own BLM flag, for example, out of nowhere. I was right next to a crowd that got pepper sprayed by police for literally just standing there. So I think that a lot of the violence not only wasn't started by police, but it was egged on beforehand.
[00:10:17] And I would certainly take your eyewitness testimony at market value for that, at face value, as opposed to what we've been heard, the narrative from the regime. Which, by the way, is the book that was written by Christian Secor about his experience, The American Regime. Find it at Antelope Hill Publishing tonight. The American Regime. He talks all about this. Rather, he writes all about this.
[00:10:43] But he is with us now live and moving forward before we bring on Taylor Hill from the editorial team of Antelope Hill Publishing to further talk about your book. So you experienced all of this. You were in the chair. You were in the Capitol. So all of that was taking place. And don't miss the print interview that's going to come out with Christian very soon. It just is a whole other dynamic.
[00:11:11] But, of course, as all things do, that day ended. At what point did you learn that legal troubles were brewing? And what charges did the federal government bring against you?
[00:11:40] We don't want to get, like, obedience or some kind of trucks like that. So we went to Virginia across state lines thinking, well, you know, the bike police basically aren't going to give us a fine if we're in Virginia. And then we turned on the TV and they're like, oh, wow, they're calling us terrorists. We're not at risk of a fine. We're at risk of years in prison.
[00:12:10] And that was when we realized that there was something up. There was a setup going. Well, and as you told me earlier this week, you were sentenced to three and a half years in prison. Three and a half years for walking into the Capitol and sitting on Mike Pence's chair.
[00:12:31] Of course, we could easily and cheaply bring up the BLM protests that actually raised entire city blocks to the ground and the punishment that they faced or lack thereof. But you said something to me that was so inspiring that we are smarter than them. We are more determined than them. And basically, we're going to beat them.
[00:12:58] You sort of put it as this, not only but sort of like the far left contra the Democrat Party in the 1960s. And that's when you went on to we're much smarter than them and they know this. And you didn't lose your resolve, your resiliency. We're going to get to that in just a moment. But first, I want to ask this question. Of all the J6 people who were pardoned, you're looking at, you know, over 1,500 people, I believe.
[00:13:26] Tucker Carlson twice covered your case on his show. So, again, out of the hundreds of hostages that he could have featured, what was it about your particular case that attracted such publicity, in your opinion, Christian? I mean, I think I'm pretty I'm a pretty spotless guy. You know, I'm a very normal person. I went to a decent school. I come from a good family.
[00:13:50] We I'm I think I'm a I'm someone who could be likable if the media chose to portray me that way. And of course, the media can't portray people like me that way because we're basically persona non grata. We're enemy number one. Because if people saw our guys basically as decent people, it could attract it could attract more normal people to our cause.
[00:14:21] Well, you were a if I'm not mistaken, a student at UCLA at the time of J6. And so, you know, you're in this youth of your life. Those are magical years in your late teens, early 20s, three and a half years in prison. And right when everything's about to open up in front of you, that is a very harsh sense. That is a draconian sentence. And that that that's the question I had for you and that I have for you tonight was that draconian punishment that you faced.
[00:14:50] Did it cause you to reconsider your actions or did it serve as a motivation to redouble your efforts upon release? And you had a pretty great answer for that. Right. I said that my my initial thoughts were the shake the famous Shakespeare quote, the lady dot protests too much, which is absolutely true. When I got that insane sentence, I was like, OK, so I am a good guy. I'm not crazy because if I was crazy, then they would just call me crazy.
[00:15:20] And I mean, what do they do with crazy people? They they give them basically a flap on their wrist and they send them back out because crazy people aren't a threat to the system. Idealists are a threat to the system. People who are intelligent are a threat to the system. People know what they're talking about are a threat to the system.
[00:15:37] And when I got three, three and a half years for 18 months guidelines from a supposedly conservative judge, which, by the way, the conservative judges have given the J6s on average much more time than liberal judges, if you can believe that. Very interesting.
[00:15:55] So I knew from that moment that what I had done was legitimate versus when they just threw me in solitary confinement when I was in the holding cell right after January 6th, when they sent two tanks, a helicopter after me, someone with no criminal history. That during that time, when they basically just allowed me to be alone with my thoughts, I sometimes second guess myself. But now after I was sentenced to three and a half years, I never second guess myself.
[00:16:24] Well, I love what you write here in this Q&A that we did over email earlier for the newspaper, that they wouldn't have gone so overboard if they were in the right and I were in the wrong. I mean, three and a half years for a young man who had – let me revisit this here if I can find my notes. First-time offender, completely nonviolent. You weren't armed. I mean, all of that, three and a half years for the first time you ever had even a parking ticket, basically.
[00:16:52] And so there it was. And so you understood and you knew. And you had some pretty harsh conditions, as you said, solitary confinement, some treatments that they wouldn't give much more violent offenders. But it was during this time, obviously after J6, during this time between J6 and tonight that you wrote your book, The American Regime, which, again, we want to plug our good friends at antelopehillpublishing.com. They have it there available for your purchase tonight. Summarize this book.
[00:17:23] Actually, hold on to that. Hold on to that because we're going to bring Taylor on to talk a little bit more about the book. That's actually a question that I wanted to put in for the paper. But I would just use this moment then to plug the book, antelopehillpublishing.com, The American Regime. Now, it is written, your title on that is by an anonymous J6 prisoner, as opposed to using your real name as we are using tonight. And what was the reason for that? You're coming out tonight.
[00:17:51] I guess obviously the pardons played a big role in that. But you wrote the book anonymously, but now we can reveal that it is you, Christian Secor, who is the author of The American Regime. Well, I wrote – I published it anonymously, basically from everybody's suggestion. On January 6, 2022?
[00:18:14] No, 2023, when it came out, I was literally in prison as of like a month prior to that. And we weren't sure what the repercussions could be for that. And then even when I was out of prison and on confinement in the halfway house, again, we didn't know what the repercussions would be about that. We could have published it earlier, but it was pre-sentencing. We didn't know how the judge would be. We were hoping that the judge would be leading it.
[00:18:44] And the judge was actually playing nice for literally the entire time until the last day when it mattered. He was playing a good cop. So it was a good thing that we did lay low for that. But now that Trump has given us all pardons and potentially paved the way for us to just completely get off of our record by vacating charges, there's really no reason for me to stay silent anymore. We have a question coming in from a listener right now.
[00:19:13] This is just a very quick answer from you. But do you have your Second Amendment rights restored? I should have my Second Amendment rights restored, yes. To the best of your knowledge. Okay. Now let me get back to this. Okay, so again, having – Yeah, exactly. And we're going to get our co-host Keith Alexander in on this before we bring Taylor Young.
[00:19:39] But what is the – you know, your reaction, having been a part of this, having suffered through this, your prison sentence, the harsh conditions, you know, solitary confinement for a guy who walks in as a member of a patriotic organization, completely unarmed, sits in Mike Pence's chair and leaves, and then three and a half years – I mean, you've got people who are, you know, assault and battery here in Memphis that don't even see the inside of a cell.
[00:20:06] But what was your reaction to President Trump's stunning executive order to offer these blanket pardons to practically everyone? A few commutations, but blanket pardons. What was your reaction to that as someone who has been on the other side of it? I was pleasantly surprised. I expected eventually to get a pardon. I didn't expect for it to be day one. I was expecting commutations for everybody day one and then for them to go through each case one by one.
[00:20:36] But I'm very happy that Trump went the pardon route. Some people criticized him, saying that, you know, accused feds are included amongst those people. I don't really care about that because I think that it's a good thing that the 99 percent who are not feds were granted leniency immediately.
[00:20:59] And if there were feds in the crowd, then they can be charged with things that are unrelated to January 6th or not necessarily related, such as conspiracy. This is Keith Alexander.
[00:21:11] I'm a lawyer, and I'm just wondering, have you considered bringing a what they call a 1983 lawsuit for violation of your civil rights to get back at these people that have basically just hectored you and ruined your life in a lot of ways? They've taken out a big part of your life. Well, that's actually a good question. I mean, in terms of what's the word that the blacks always like to use? Reparations.
[00:21:39] Could there be any path to some remuneration to the J6 prisoners? I don't know who would pay it, but I mean, what are your thoughts on that? The government would pay it. Absolutely. So on the one hand, there's a potential for libel suits against people who called as insurrectionists when we were never called or we were never charged as insurrectionists.
[00:22:01] On the other hand, in terms of suing the government, my current path as of right now is attempting to just get these charges completely vacated because almost as important as the pardons are Trump's executive order to no longer pursue charges to the Justice Department on these basically political persecutions, which means that what happened with me was I couldn't appeal.
[00:22:28] I was forced into a coercive plea deal where if I attempted to appeal my obstruction charge, which was the one charge that I was found guilty of, then they would just come back with all the other misdemeanors. Plus, an assault on a police officer charge, despite the fact that I never touched a police officer, because if you actually look at the fine print of that law,
[00:22:52] basically anybody who protests ever can be charged for thinking about that, about anti-fuck, considering that they've done direct action against the police. Well, I'd love to see some type of retribution sought by someone, for example, like for Ashley Babbitt, you know, being killed by that police officer for the Capitol Police.
[00:23:17] And, you know, he's, you know, the silence is deafening about what, if anything, is going to happen to him. Well, I mean, that's certainly, if anybody deserves some compensation for the injustice that they have suffered underneath this American regime, to go back to the title of his book, it is people like Christian who, you know, of all the J6 protesters, his case was one of the more famous, made popular by Tucker Carlson.
[00:23:44] You can Google the name Christian Secor, S-E-C-O-R, and you'll find NPR. Our good friend Sam Dixon never misses an NPR installment. Well, he goes behind enemy lines to let us know what's going on. But you can read about his... Yeah. Something very interesting is they must have, like, an insider connection with the FBI, because they literally ran a story of me looking all creepy in black and white with the crazy filters,
[00:24:14] of me with a hoodie, and it looks like... I saw that. I don't know. I'm, like, building, like, a bomb or something. I'm literally just, like, bringing back some groceries. Whereas, you know, whereas... Yeah, exactly. That's the image that they present of you. And I'm sure the music's beginning to play. We have to take this bottom-of-the-hour break. We're going to bring Taylor Young on. I'm sure that's the image they want people to perceive of you, whereas, you know, when it's this black kid, this black guy over in the U.K. that just killed these people, you know, or Trayvon Martin.
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[00:30:13] And what a great show tonight with Brad Griffin of Occidental Descent, old friends and old faces from battle past. That's what I call them, these folks in the room tonight from the Council of Conservative Citizens, an organization that dates back so many decades. And one that I cut my teeth on when I first got active over 20 years ago. And to still be with some of these folks that we've been with since day one is great. And they're in Memphis tonight. We're all together.
[00:30:41] Big, you know, I say big private meeting last night at the steakhouse. And we won't mention which one because we wanted to stay in business. But we've got a good weekend. And tonight we are talking with Christian Sikor, author of The American Regime at AntelopeHillPublishing.com, about his experience at January the 6th and afterwards. A pretty famous case of a J6 hostage.
[00:31:08] Tucker Carlson took it to his program at least twice. And you can find out there was a lot more coverage than that. But I got a text message just a moment ago from our friend Michael Gaddy. And I will say, Mike, we are going to be, this is actually news. I'll say this very quickly. We're going to do a broadcast from Dixie Republic two weeks from tonight. We've been booked and we're going to continue to audit.
[00:31:35] We're going to continue to audit the spectrum of our audience and get their opinions, good or bad or indifferent, on Donald Trump and what has happened so far. And I know that some people are entirely enthusiastic. Some people are still very skeptical. And there's a lot of people in between. But we're going to survey the entire cross-section of TBC Nation. But not before we go to Taylor Young right now.
[00:32:00] Taylor Young of the editorial team at antelopehillpublishing.com. Taylor, you heard the testimony of our guest this evening, our featured guest, Christian Secor, about his trials and tribulations quite literally. And you put it all together in book form. I always am fascinated, Taylor. And by the way, let me just say again what an honor it is to partner with Antelope Hill Publishing and what a great job you all are doing.
[00:32:27] But I'm always fascinated to hear how certain authors and certain books come to be and come to be published by you. So how did this one come to your attention and what led you to put it to print? Well, thank you very much, James. It's really been fantastic being on here again and getting to be on here with Christian as well. And what I'm guessing is one of his first, if not his first, public appearances.
[00:32:57] So even if we're not the first, it's certainly an honor. And this book is really – I think it's really cool. It's something that we're really honored to be able to have published because it brings together so many different things. You have the fact that there's one of our people who was persecuted in this way by the system whom we're able to help.
[00:33:24] The fact that we're able to put out a work like this that, you know, like you guys were talking about in the first half of the hour, it says on the cover there by an anonymous January 6th prisoner because such were the legal issues that we, you know, he couldn't or didn't want to, didn't feel comfortable putting his actual name on the title.
[00:33:46] So it's an actual politically dissident work by one of our people that's relevant to the current political moment and to such a momentous occasion, such a significant occasion as January 6th was. And, of course, it stands in its own right because of the actual content that Christian put into it
[00:34:08] and the way that he really looks at a lot of different factors that have kind of contributed to bringing us to the place that we are and trying to analyze what that is, looking at American history and philosophy and, you know, the different political dynamics that all contribute to this. So that's a very long-winded answer, but I just wanted to get that out there
[00:34:35] because this is a book that we're really proud of putting out and the fact that, like, the publishing house really exists to put stuff like that out there. So I'm very, very happy that we could have had a part in bringing Christian's work out there. But I think it was actually at the beginning we were communicating not with Christian directly, but with his lawyer. I don't think Christian might actually be able to answer better than me,
[00:35:02] but I don't think initially we actually even knew who he was, as in his name. We just had this book by a January 6th prisoner that we were communicating with through his lawyer because that was the legal situation at the time, and that's kind of how it started. Well, how about that? So here it is now, and we can reveal to you that the author of The American Regime by an anonymous January 6th prisoner is Christian Sikor
[00:35:30] and making his first public appearance, or rather as an interviewee, here tonight on TPC. So I'm going to read the back cover in just a moment to give you a little more information, but we spent the first 30 minutes just establishing Christian's background and his experiences on that fateful day. And I think if that doesn't intrigue you to check out the book, I don't know what can, but I would ask you this very quickly, Taylor.
[00:36:00] You know, we have these monthly set appearances that we're so happy to do with you where we focus a different title or a different author from the Antelope Hill stable of talent. I mean, we were talking a few days ago about who to feature this January, the first installment of 2025 with you, and I mean, could you even imagine the timeliness of this
[00:36:26] a few days ago? Because we talked about doing this, I think, even before the pardons came out, and so this was pretty just uncanny. Yeah, it was just, it was such an amazing thing timing-wise. It's like, as we were talking about it, we had the news about the pardons, and I think just before that I'd suggested, you know, we just talk about this book because it makes sense, and then we saw the pardons, and I was like, well, now I'm going to reach out to the author and see if he wants to come on as well because that would be fantastic.
[00:36:54] And it has been entirely to our credit and to our benefit, and so Christian, I would toss it back to you. When you wrote this, at what point did you write this? It's obviously, you know, after January 6th, 2021, and before January 25th, 2025. At what point, where were you in the process of everything that you went through, your ordeal? Did you write this and finish it, and how long did it take to write it? So I got out of the detention center, and pretty soon after, my friend David Zutty,
[00:37:23] who I credited two Toms in my book, and one of those was the editor, who I don't know if that's his real name or if that was an alias at the time, but he was going with Tom. And then my friend David Zutty, who's been on the program, he was writing under the pseudonym Thomas Stoybin. So I credited the book with that, and he was actually the lawyer that you're referring to. He wasn't actually my lawyer, but he was the one who was helping me
[00:37:51] and doing the interaction with Antelope Hill. He'll actually be on the show next week. It just so happens our schedule is booked out until May, and David Zutty of the Homeland Institute is scheduled to be on the program next week. So how's that for, you know, again, timeliness and coincidence? So when did you finish the book exactly?
[00:38:16] The book was finished maybe October of 2022. We were really running on fumes. We were trying to get it out right before I was going to prison, and we wanted to have the official release date on January 6th of 2023. Yes, I think that's what it was. It's 2022, actually. Oh, yeah, okay. So I got those years confused for obvious reasons. They can blur when you're in prison, I'm sure. Yeah.
[00:38:47] Well, what was the message? I have the back cover here. We'll read it in a moment in closing. But what message did you want to convey to the readership? So people wanted me to write more about my experience, but I'm a little bit intellectually presumptuous, so I was more interested in writing about ideas. And the question that I was essentially answering was, what went wrong here?
[00:39:15] Why was the media able to create a myth so rapidly around January 6th? Why was the media as well as basically every financial institution, the government able to march in lockstep against the J6ers? And it led me down quite a rabbit hole. And I attempted to answer it by analyzing different philosophers, examples from history, political theories.
[00:39:47] Well, Taylor, let me ask you this question. What was it about this manuscript that said, yes, this is something we want to bring under the Antelope Hill umbrella? Because Antelope Hill publishing is a tough nut to crack. You don't take just everything that people submit. I mean, you are a very discriminating and select and discerning publishing house. So what was it about this author and this message that you said, yes, let's get this to the front? Oh, well, you know us, we love to discriminate.
[00:40:18] But besides... No, we all. Yeah. Besides everything that I've already said, so like I said, the content really stood on its own here and sold it to us. And particularly what I remember is that we had the impression that this was a philosophical work, but a very approachable one.
[00:40:43] And it was one that was full of things that the average person would understand and have reference to. So again, a lot of discussion of history, but even the way that he tackles, you know, less common subjects like theories about history or like political theories is presented in this very easy to understand, very matter-of-fact way, because I think kind of like Christian said, he was in the process of discovering it himself, and that's what led him to write the book.
[00:41:11] So it's a very, very good introduction to a lot of very solid, very right-wing ideas, but that's presented in a way that is very easy to understand, and it's very American. It's very rooted in actually, you know, our history in the United States specifically, and how we got here in that sense. I'm going to read the back cover here very quickly. This is basically the synopsis of the book.
[00:41:42] After being targeted by the federal government in the wake of the events of January the 6th, 2021, the author of The American Regime delves into the study of history, philosophy, and politics. To answer the singular question of our time, what precisely is the nature of the evil that now openly rules over America and through the American empire, the broader world? The great irony of our time is that while more Americans than ever understand that they live under an oppressive regime,
[00:42:11] the number of theories about the nature of that oppression and about who exactly it is that is oppressing us has only multiplied. Once one steps past the simple acknowledgement that the United States is no longer the land of the free, disagreement abounds. The author, we now reveal as Christian Secours, sets forth to confront the most prominent theories of political power, searching for a single coherent understanding
[00:42:40] capable of describing the nature of the modern Leviathan. With that goal, he challenges widely held assumptions about history, power, decline, and collapse, identifying where others have gotten it right and filling in the gaps where they have failed to identify a necessary element. In an era of lies and tyranny, the truth will indeed set us free. But only if we can identify what passes for truth is often a little more than the blind leading the blind.
[00:43:09] And with that, you add Taylor, Antelope Hill Publishing is proud to present the American regime. This fascinating analysis of power in modern America is a worthy contribution to the Western political literature and is an indispensable work to understand the world we live in today. I would ask you this, Christian. Under the new regime, now that Trump has re-assumed office, do you think any of the things that you have wrote,
[00:43:39] any of your conclusions have changed? Or is it fool's gold? Or is it the real deal? Where do you stand? I mean, you have paid a price that most of us cannot even imagine. So where do you stand on where we are now as opposed to last week or three years ago when you wrote the book? I think that Trump is a really good development. I think that you would have to be particularly black-filled to really believe that Trump is somehow a negative arena.
[00:44:14] That being said, though, I mean, let's look at Rome. Rome had five good emperors, and it basically just halted the decline. I think that's what we're looking at here. I don't think that America is going to launch Francis Parker Yaffe's pan-European imperium anytime soon. I think that this is a respite, and it's a respite that we should take advantage of. I think that it's a good thing.
[00:44:40] But the idea that it is extremely naive, so for that reason. Sober analysis. That is a great and objective take. I agree with that. I do not think that we have won, that we have turned a corner, that we've pivoted. But I do think that everything we've seen since last Monday has been a net positive, to say the least. But it is not a cure-all. It is not a silver bullet.
[00:45:10] I agree. And I think that coming from you, though, Christian, that assessment and that analysis, coming from someone who has paid such a price, certainly carries more weight than we as mere commentators. But Keith Alexander, an attorney here in Memphis, and my co-host before we toss it back to Taylor Young. In ten minutes remaining, we're skipping all the breaks tonight. Your thoughts to everything you've heard this hour? Well, Christian wants to deal in the realm of ideas, and that's very high-minded of him.
[00:45:37] But I know that he suffered terribly in jail. Self-doubt and despair and things like this were daily companions. And I think it's important for us to make sure that the people that inflicted this, you know, 1984 nightmare on Christian experience a 1983 action in court or something like this. But basically we can't let this type of tyranny, authoritarianism and whatnot,
[00:46:07] go unpunished. And I hope that Trump or you or someone basically brings these people to justice. Because if they get away with this, if they just, you know, skate on it, we have done a disservice, I think, to the American people. We've got to make people that do things this extreme and this unwarranted pay a price for it, in my opinion. I would toss it back to Taylor Young with that, Keith, and thank you for that. But, Taylor, I mean, I would ask you the same question.
[00:46:36] I mean, here you are as this major publishing house now. You know, Antelope Hill Publishing burst onto the scenes not that many years ago, but it is really taking a great hold and the content there. I mean, that's why we feature you every month here on TPC. We think that much of the work and the production quality of the selections there at Antelope Hill.
[00:47:01] And this one especially so and especially timely under the circumstances. But I would ask you this, Taylor, just politically speaking and just your personal opinion, the same question that I posed to Christian. I mean, how do you view the events of the last week just as an individual and as an activist and as a publisher and as a man? Well, I honestly, I don't think I can say it any better than Christian and Keith just said it now.
[00:47:30] I do think I tend to look at things like this in a way that I think is maybe not always that relatable or helpful to people hearing it because I kind of like I'm very glad that it happened. I'm very – I was surprised by the pardons. I will say I was surprised and I'm very happy about it. And, you know, we on Antelope Hill, we celebrated it.
[00:48:00] Before that, we put out – we said that, you know, we want this to happen. And, you know, not that those are great political actions or anything, but we definitely have – we're very happy that these people were pardoned. There was a great injustice here, like Keith was saying, that has been redressed. Now, I kind of just, like, think about, well, what's next moving forward? And we're seeing some good executive actions and we're seeing some potential progress on immigration
[00:48:30] and demographic issues, but ultimately what we need to get to is we still need to get to a situation in this country where we, our people, are self-consciously in charge of our own destiny and our own national sovereignty. And I tend to agree, I think, with Christian that this hopefully will be a respite. Hopefully it will present new opportunities for us, but we still have a long way to go,
[00:48:59] I think, toward that ultimate goal. Well, there's no doubt about it. I mean, listen, it's been a good week, but one good week doesn't turn around, what, 170 – how long has it been since 1861? A long time of rot and degeneracy and going in the wrong direction. But it has been a good week, and I think, gentlemen, I think we would all agree, the four of us on the air right now, Taylor and Christian and Keith and me,
[00:49:28] I think we would take this week, though, and celebrate that. Well begun is half done, fellas. We need to keep going after it. That's for sure. So, okay, so we're turning the corner now to the last five minutes of this hour. When we come back in the third hour, we're going back to our friends from an organization that has existed long before since I was born. And some activists here that went back and didn't just, you know, work for George Wallace but knew George Wallace.
[00:49:57] We have a man in the room tonight who, you know, is babysitting George Wallace's kids and, you know, all of this. And it's just a wonderful thing to have these generations, different generations. A man in his 20s on the program tonight all the way up to his late 80s and here in the room. And we're doing – it's just a great thing. I mean, we know so many people. But – The tide has turned on tyranny. Well, at least for this week. We'll see where it goes. But anyway, Christian, a final word to you.
[00:50:26] And I just have to say again, I don't – we have an interview coming up with Christian. It may be in the very next issue of AFP, the American Free Press, my regular feature there or maybe two weeks from now. Steve King is – it's either Steve King this week and Christian the next or Christian this week and Steve King the next. But they're both – listen, I'm the only one who has seen both of them. They will both make your jaws drop how people are talking now and where we're going now.
[00:50:56] But nevertheless, stay tuned for that in American Free Press. If you're not subscribed to the American Free Press, please do so. Christian, final word to you. Anything we haven't covered with about a minute or two remaining? I'm going to give Taylor the absolute final word this hour. But a final word to you and what a great appearance and so great to make your acquaintance this week. Well, someone said that the book was more about ideas and high-mindedness, which is absolutely true. And, you know, we definitely should be also looking at the practical aspect.
[00:51:26] I believe – I would even go further. I think that literally anything that we can take, we should. Until we can, though, we should just be taking what we can right now. But the goal should be absolute victory, total absolute victory. These people suck. These people are horrible. These people want to completely exterminate everything that's good in this world. Believe me, I went to school with these people.
[00:51:51] I went to a school at a feeder school – or I studied at a feeder school to the federal government. These people suck horribly. And they want you all dead. And we should take everything that we can. That's not hyperbole. It's not hyperbole. And I would say you said something that brought to mind the classic exchange between Captain Jack Sparrow and Mr. Gibbs and the Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Take what you can. Give nothing back.
[00:52:21] We will take this week. But, Taylor Young, to you and Christian, I can't wait to work with you more closely going forward. And I can't wait to see what's next for Christian Secour. And you'll get that answer in the American Free Press. But, Taylor, if we haven't convinced them already, why should folks listening tonight go to antelopehillpublishing.com and find the American regime and buy it? Well, I think you've heard plenty of reasons here.
[00:52:48] It is a really unique book that I don't think you can find anywhere else. And, like I said, it's not just that it's a unique book by a person in this unique circumstance, but it is a work that really stands on its own merits. And it is really taking a good, hard look at American history, at the patterns and the forces that have worked on American history to bring us to this point
[00:53:13] where we are engaged in this existential struggle for our civilization, because it's something that we need to understand in order to win that struggle, in order to get out of this, in order to turn the page or, you know, whatever it's going to look like. But we need to understand how we got here, and we need to understand what we need to do to get out of it. And the book really looks at that, and it tackles it in a very approachable way,
[00:53:39] in a way that's, again, very grounded in our own history, our own institutions, our own founding fathers, our ideas, and all of that. So, antelopehillpublishing.com, go get it there. Go find the rest of our books, and keep watch, because we'll have plenty more coming out this year. And I couldn't echo that any more heartily. Go to the search bar at antelopehillpublishing.com, type the American regime. You'll find it.
[00:54:07] Do a Control-F search for American regime at antelopehillpublishing.com. You'll find it. But, Christian, 15 seconds remaining. Very quickly, the music's already playing. I will ask you this. 15 seconds. What is next for you? What are you doing now? You're free. The last four years have been hell. What are you doing now, and what can we expect? I'm just trying to live a normal life, and we'll see if the tides change, where we create institutions where people like me can get hired,
[00:54:36] as opposed to conservative institutions that pretty much exclusively hire liberals. Ha! What an answer! And we all hope for that day. You are the man. You are a man that will lead us into the future.