[00:00:01] You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is The Political Cesspool.
[00:00:12] The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
[00:00:21] And here to guide you through the murky waters of The Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
[00:00:28] I had expected tonight to just sort of coast into 2025, just sort of have a relaxed show, promote a book, kind of reminisce on the 20th anniversary year that was with Sam Bushman,
[00:00:47] which is coming up and wrap up our TPC at 20 retrospective series, which we will do later this hour with an interview with the pressure cooker exploded.
[00:00:56] I tell you what, yeah, you know, we will do that still, revisiting one of these interviews we did with Pat Buchanan later this hour.
[00:01:04] But no, yes, I mean, yes and no.
[00:01:07] This whole thing that's going on right now has just, we could not wait until next week to address it.
[00:01:14] And so Lou Moore, fast friend, great guy, a guy who knows Republican politics in a way, an intimate way that all of us cannot,
[00:01:27] having served as a congressional chief of staff for many years in Washington, D.C., Ron Paul's presidential campaign manager in 2008.
[00:01:36] Lou texted me yesterday, I believe it was, and he said this may become known as one of the most important weekends in American history.
[00:01:45] Now, that is something I think if you have some sort of overzealous guy who's just sort of getting into politics and he sees, you know, some great debate, you might expect that.
[00:01:54] But when it comes from a man of Lou Moore's savvy and seasoning, you take notice.
[00:02:00] And I was kind of asleep at the wheel, as I told Lou.
[00:02:03] I, you know, it's Christmas week, we had family over, and then all of this stuff just erupts on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.
[00:02:09] And, of course, we're talking about the H-1B visa controversy between MAGA, people like Laura Loomer, and Elon Musk, who was, was, is he still, or was he an ally?
[00:02:23] I mean, what is going on here?
[00:02:24] Lou Moore, on short notice, on day of notice, has carved out 30 minutes for us, and he's going to walk us through this.
[00:02:30] Lou, what is going on?
[00:02:35] The deal was cut during the campaign, kind of a crass political thing, where Trump essentially flipped on legal immigration and specifically H-1B visas
[00:02:46] to cement the support he needed financially from people like Musk to do the ground game, to get X fully involved,
[00:02:54] to do the things needed to get him over the top in the election.
[00:02:58] But you always pay a bill when you do things like that in politics.
[00:03:02] So just on that first crass level of politics, the bills come and due pretty early,
[00:03:08] because, you know, Elon went bananas in reaction to a couple of people on social media
[00:03:14] and started threatening the MAGA base obscenely and touting all of the things that are anathema to the MAGA base.
[00:03:25] Now, that teaser's too good.
[00:03:27] Tell us what he said.
[00:03:28] Well, this is AM radio.
[00:03:31] Actually, it's a family show, isn't it, Keith?
[00:03:33] I don't think I know exactly what he said, but anyway.
[00:03:38] And then the depth of reaction to what he said across the entire spectrum of not just activists,
[00:03:48] but you've got to remember there is a lot of people out there, as we know,
[00:03:52] that have been screwed over by this system because of their race, because of their background,
[00:03:57] because they don't fit into the international labor pool management scheme.
[00:04:04] And, you know, this has, I believe, created not just a firestorm that will die down.
[00:04:10] This has taken things to another level in our society as a whole.
[00:04:16] I really believe that.
[00:04:18] Lou, I don't want to betray...
[00:04:19] Firestorm action is alive and well.
[00:04:21] Well, I mean, yeah, it's interesting.
[00:04:23] I think Elon Musk is basically equating DEI with hiring white American workers over some of these Indian folks we're talking about.
[00:04:34] Lou, I don't want to betray trust or confidentiality or privilege.
[00:04:38] I would like for you, though, I could either read what you sent me about why you believe this is one of the most important weekends in American history,
[00:04:46] or perhaps you could rephrase it for the radio audience.
[00:04:49] I mean, you certainly didn't say anything that was, you know, what you said was spot on.
[00:04:54] But I don't want to just, you know, necessarily read a text message from you without permission.
[00:04:57] But why was this one of the most important weekends?
[00:05:01] Why do you believe it?
[00:05:01] I mean, that's a power...
[00:05:02] Well, all right, here it is.
[00:05:03] I mean, it's straightforward and nothing in it, you know, that you can find to disagree.
[00:05:09] Lou, you wrote that our enemies have overreached and the animal spirits, really the spirit underneath MAGA, is very restless.
[00:05:17] Everything important, strangely, you write, can be connected with these H-1B visas.
[00:05:23] And it's only 60,000.
[00:05:24] I say only, but I mean, this is about 60,000 people.
[00:05:27] You write that national identity sovereignty, the core of our beloved Christian Western civilization, is not an intellectual construct.
[00:05:35] People are feeling it, and the immediate issue is very accessible and easy to explain.
[00:05:41] I mean, I wonder, though, why, I mean, what you said, spot on, my friend, but why this?
[00:05:46] Why now?
[00:05:47] Has this exploded to the extent that it has?
[00:05:50] Well, James, you know...
[00:05:52] At Christmas!
[00:05:53] Well, you know, people, it was a couple of days before the new year.
[00:05:58] People are maybe spending too much time with their phones or something.
[00:06:03] I don't know, with posting on social media.
[00:06:06] But, you know, you can't lie to people forever.
[00:06:12] You just can't do it.
[00:06:14] And, you know, I come from Seattle.
[00:06:17] I know of some of the people that were founders at Microsoft.
[00:06:21] I know the attitude they had at Microsoft.
[00:06:24] I know how they couldn't wait to get these foreign workers in there soon enough to pay them a fraction of what they had to pay American workers to get them to work 100-hour weeks.
[00:06:37] And this has proliferated across our society amazingly and far outside of the tech sector.
[00:06:44] I mean, I was reading a story where McDonald's got rid of a...
[00:06:48] I think it was McDonald's...
[00:06:49] Got rid of a whole section of accountants and brought in people from India.
[00:06:54] It's like, you did a great job.
[00:06:55] This is your last day.
[00:06:57] We're bringing all these other people in.
[00:06:58] I mean, this is affecting a lot of people.
[00:07:03] Yeah.
[00:07:03] Well, here...
[00:07:04] Go ahead.
[00:07:05] Go ahead.
[00:07:06] No, you go ahead.
[00:07:06] Well, I was just going to say, here's a recap.
[00:07:07] A recap of...
[00:07:08] If you don't know, I mean, if you've been busy with your family, like those of us who aren't just, you know, political animals, you know, entirely.
[00:07:17] On Christmas and New Year's and anywhere in between.
[00:07:21] If you don't know what's going on, I'll give you a quick recap.
[00:07:25] Elon Musk thinks that white Americans basically aren't smart enough to be trained to do high-skilled tech jobs.
[00:07:31] He has declared a war on racists.
[00:07:34] And he called MAGA Republicans racists over this issue that they should be...
[00:07:37] And he used the word root and stem thrown out of the Republican Party for the sake of H-1B visas.
[00:07:42] He believes that they should be driven out.
[00:07:46] He believes that we should flood the country with infinite immigration from India.
[00:07:52] Now we know who the enemy is.
[00:07:54] Well, I mean, he's right about a lot of things.
[00:07:56] It's interesting.
[00:07:57] I mean, he does not respect Americans who want less legal immigration.
[00:08:01] It's all about legal versus illegal.
[00:08:03] And I'm against both, frankly.
[00:08:05] Elon Musk believes in hiring American workers over India is DEI.
[00:08:12] He is actually now banning people from Twitter like Laura Loomer, who has disagreed with him.
[00:08:17] I was on the CounterCurrents stream earlier today with Jared Taylor and Greg Johnson.
[00:08:21] We were talking about this.
[00:08:22] So he's banning MAGA people now.
[00:08:24] So long story short, as Brad Griffin writes here again now at Occidental Ascent,
[00:08:28] Elon Musk has completely burned up the goodwill he has built since 2022 and transformed overnight many of his supporters on the right into skeptics.
[00:08:36] And has ensured that Doge, which we were also enthusiastically optimistic about last week,
[00:08:44] you know, is going to face, you know, attack from the right before Trump is sworn into office.
[00:08:48] And it's going to reset the clock in much of MAGA back to 2020 and 2021 when everybody despised big tech.
[00:08:56] So, you know, this is an interesting development.
[00:08:59] Now, he could walk it back next week.
[00:09:00] He could say, you know, I was wrong.
[00:09:02] I don't think he's going to do that.
[00:09:04] And Elon Musk, as we were talking in the break, Lou, Elon Musk is right about 80 percent of the things.
[00:09:09] He sometimes says things that are so right.
[00:09:12] It just, you know, it defies belief.
[00:09:15] You're so excited about it.
[00:09:16] But then every now and then, because, you know, he's got a bit of Vassburgers, I guess he is a genius.
[00:09:22] And some of them have a screw loose.
[00:09:24] He does things like this that just are apparently entirely contradictory.
[00:09:28] And, you know, in Memphis, he is opening a big plant because of the access to the water here.
[00:09:35] And, you know, if he really likes non-whites that much, he's going to have a chance to prove it with that plant.
[00:09:41] And I don't think he's going to do it.
[00:09:42] Well, we'll see about that.
[00:09:44] But this is the topic at hand right now.
[00:09:46] And it's a big one.
[00:09:47] So, again, Lou, with your cap on as, you know, a guy who's been heavily plugged into Republican politics, what happens on this between now and, you know, at least January 20th?
[00:10:01] Let's just, you know, limit it to that window.
[00:10:03] Yeah, well, I think politically this is manageable in the short term for a variety of reasons.
[00:10:08] One is the short term memory issues that our entire society seems to have about these various things.
[00:10:16] But and the fact that this on the surface is not I mean, it is a big issue, but it's not as it's not as big of issue as the debt.
[00:10:25] Sixty five thousand, you know, tech worker permits.
[00:10:30] But the question is, what is going to happen next on this issue?
[00:10:34] Are they going to really are they going to really expand this program?
[00:10:37] Are they going to lift the caps?
[00:10:38] Are they going to suppress it subtly?
[00:10:43] They're going to let it must take a public victory, but not quite so much behind the scenes.
[00:10:47] I mean, there's so many ways to manage these things politically.
[00:10:50] But again, to me, that's not the real issue at hand long term for us.
[00:10:56] It's the awareness that replacement is a real deal and not considered to be off the table even by MAGA.
[00:11:05] Yeah. So but short term, I really think this is manageable, although I'm just astounded at the emotion coming from people like Steve Bannon and Laura Loomer.
[00:11:17] Yes. Yes. Yes. Many, many other people over this.
[00:11:21] And the fact that Musk would come in richest man in the world and bully the entire MAGA movement and not even think twice about it.
[00:11:31] I mean, that was a pretty threatening tweet.
[00:11:34] The entire white race in America, if you want to put a fine edge on it.
[00:11:38] Well, I want to say this. Go to Loomore.com.
[00:11:45] Loomore.com. Now, we have him for a few more minutes tonight.
[00:11:48] He has graciously, even on this holiday weekend, given us 30 minutes of time at nearly a moment's notice.
[00:11:55] A little bit earlier today, Lou and I were texting and I said, is there any way you can come on tonight?
[00:11:59] Yeah. And here he is. But go to Loomore.com and click on his Hour of Decision podcast, which is now also carried by the Liberty News Radio Network.
[00:12:10] Check out his Hour of Decision, Identity Crisis in MAGA World and in America.
[00:12:17] Now, then you will hear him be able to fully develop his thoughts in long form fashion.
[00:12:23] But that's all at Loomore.com. And there you can also get the book.
[00:12:26] If you haven't got it already through us this month during our Christmas fundraising drive, Lou, I think we have hit just about almost Alaska and Hawaii.
[00:12:35] Not so much. But the Continental 48 States, I think we have listeners in just about all of them who have received your book this month and hearing some great feedback from that.
[00:12:47] And, of course, Keith, you and I have signed copies.
[00:12:49] I was taken aback by the name. I thought that was the name of Billy Graham's TV show in the early 50s.
[00:12:56] Well, I mean, you know, we can repurpose that now.
[00:12:58] Anyway, Loomore.com and check out his latest episode of his podcast is all about this.
[00:13:07] And anyway, I didn't mean to intrude on the conversation we're having right now, but I wanted to be sure before I forgot to mention that.
[00:13:14] And you'll want to check that out. I listened to it earlier today.
[00:13:17] So continuing on, Lou, again, just wow.
[00:13:23] I mean, this definitely upsets the apple cart. The left is really, really enjoying this.
[00:13:29] Oh, yeah. Contention in MAGA world between Trump supporters and Musk and vice versa.
[00:13:37] And this is kind of their first thing to have that they've enjoyed since November the 5th.
[00:13:44] So, again, where this goes from here is anybody's guess.
[00:13:49] But to say that it is just a flash in the pan would probably be dismissing the severity of what we've seen this week.
[00:13:58] Yeah, but this is the other disruptive aspect of this, James.
[00:14:02] It's true that, you know, sure, on the surface level at CNN or Axios or whatever, they can talk about, oh, MAGA civil war and look at the human drama that way.
[00:14:14] But they have their own issues on the left with the labor movement who they have screwed, who is a direct loser in this dynamic between these tech oligarchs and the MAGA grassroots folk.
[00:14:30] And, you know, we've already had one passel of Bernie bros have come over to MAGA.
[00:14:35] And there's a lot more of them over there that might still do that.
[00:14:38] And there's more left-right dialogue now than there's been for a long time.
[00:14:42] That guy on Young Turks that went to Turning Point and had the thing with Charlie Kirk there on the stage.
[00:14:50] You know, the left has to be a little bit careful, too, playing up this issue too much because it really exposes the fact that they have been completely asleep at the switch at protecting labor.
[00:15:03] And labor is still a big part of their coalition.
[00:15:06] They've completely written the working class out of their agenda.
[00:15:09] What's that?
[00:15:10] They've totally written the working class, the labor movement, out of their coalition.
[00:15:16] So, you know, it's a little bit later.
[00:15:17] 100%.
[00:15:17] And this really exemplifies that.
[00:15:20] And if they highlight it too much, it just puts too much of a spotlight on that fact.
[00:15:25] Well, this was a question that I received earlier today in that aforementioned appearance.
[00:15:32] What was the most significant event in 2024?
[00:15:37] And, of course, you know, anybody who says Trump's election would be right.
[00:15:39] Anybody who says Biden's capitulation in the summer would be right.
[00:15:44] And I think, you know, I was actually going to go with that because that cemented the left or, excuse me, the Democratic Party as the party of the radical left and wokeism under Kamala Harris.
[00:15:59] And against the working class.
[00:16:01] Yeah, all of that.
[00:16:02] Well, you know, against everybody that's not part of this, as you'd like to put it, Keith, the Acela Corridor elite and the coastal elite.
[00:16:08] But I think, you know, maybe the most significant thing this year was Hispanic males breaking for Trump because that extends the clock for the Republican Party.
[00:16:17] And what's in the best interest of the Republican Party isn't necessarily in our best interest.
[00:16:21] But relying on the conventional cliche of demographics is destiny, which it is, and politics is a racial headcount, which by and large it is.
[00:16:33] Because the fact that Hispanic males, you know, reached nearly 50 percent in favor for Trump definitely extended the clock for the Republican Party.
[00:16:41] And I thought that that was very significant.
[00:16:43] But so, yes, I mean, the left has a lot of problems and that need to be reconciled.
[00:16:49] And, you know, so any dissension in Magatown will be.
[00:16:54] Well, I think this dissension is going to be down to the favor of Trump if he's smart enough to grab it, because, you know, it's like Dolly Parton said, you know, that what part of no, don't you understand?
[00:17:08] You promised us no immigration, no, no more immigration.
[00:17:11] At least that's what a lot of MAGA people thought.
[00:17:14] And now they're calling his hand on.
[00:17:16] Well, Trump has said Elon Musk is not the president, because that was another thing the media was trying to do, is try to drive this wedge between them that Musk was getting all of this play.
[00:17:24] And he was calling the shots as a result of, you know, his impact on the CR discussion last week, the continuing resolution.
[00:17:31] But I, you know, so I don't think that's much of a problem.
[00:17:36] But anyway, Lou, back to you on this.
[00:17:40] I, one thing that people do is that the first time someone disappoints you, even if they disappoint you quite severely, is to completely discard them.
[00:17:51] I am not saying entirely that Elon Musk has no redeemable features and qualities.
[00:17:56] I mean, I would love for him to get your old boss, Ron Paul, in there in the DOGE and let him go to work on cutting the fat.
[00:18:05] I mean, can there be a reconciliation here where even though this has been sort of a bad week for Elon in our eyes and in the eyes of a lot of Trump voters, that there could still be some good that he can do regardless of this issue?
[00:18:20] Let's just maybe he needs to have.
[00:18:22] There will be a Damascus issue.
[00:18:25] Got it.
[00:18:26] There will be a reconciliation.
[00:18:28] I mean, there's no doubt about it that these things come in waves and in cycles.
[00:18:31] So some things have been exposed in the last couple of days and some real fire has come out of the base, which is fantastic.
[00:18:42] And I think more awareness of why they should be having that fire has come out of the base as far as the long term implications of replacement.
[00:18:51] But shorter term, no, no, they're going to be able to patch this over.
[00:18:56] DOGE will not be thrown off track.
[00:18:58] Look, Trump is going to be able to say, oh, I'm for H1B visas.
[00:19:01] But as I said, the devil is even in the details on that particular issue about what is going to really happen next there.
[00:19:10] But no, you know, this will blow over because there's too much at stake.
[00:19:15] There's far too much at stake.
[00:19:17] Musk has too much at stake.
[00:19:18] Elon has come out so strong against the Americans on this.
[00:19:24] It may be difficult for him to patch this over.
[00:19:27] You know, I actually think Keith will tend to agree with Lou on this, or at least my philosophy on this is you have to put everything on a scale and then survey the balance.
[00:19:38] And even though this is a very bad, not so good week for Elon in our eyes, if you look at everything he's done for the past couple of years, I, you know, we can't discount that.
[00:19:52] You cannot, you cannot look at Bill Rowland, our erstwhile and gone but not forgotten co-host here on the program who went to his eternal reward far too quickly.
[00:20:02] He said people can justify anything.
[00:20:03] If you want to look for some reason not to support someone or to call them an enemy, you can always find that.
[00:20:09] And I'm not willing to say that Elon Musk is a bad guy or our enemy, even though he's sort of, you know, calling MAGA people the names that the SPLC would call them racist and everything else.
[00:20:19] That was unfortunate, wasn't it?
[00:20:21] It was unfortunate, and that was a bad mistake, and I don't like that.
[00:20:25] Don't get me wrong.
[00:20:26] But I'm just saying here, let's take whatever good we can get from people and leave the differences.
[00:20:32] I think you should accentuate the positive, and I don't mean to be cliche here, but, you know, if you only want to fixate on reasons why you should withdraw support or withhold support, you can always find that.
[00:20:43] Let's see what good we can have, what areas of commonality we have.
[00:20:47] And even if there's pockets of very intense dissension, let's not come to the forefront.
[00:20:55] Well, there are a lot of people that said don't trust Elon, and now they've got more ammunition.
[00:21:00] Okay, all of that.
[00:21:01] Again, if you want that, I know there's so many people in our movement who love that.
[00:21:04] Any reason you can have to part company with someone, let's focus on it.
[00:21:09] But I prefer rather to focus on the areas of commonality.
[00:21:12] And even in this area where I completely disagree with Elon Musk, I am happy to have his help wherever else we may be able to find it.
[00:21:20] But we'll just see how much this issue, you know, alienates him from the MAGA base.
[00:21:26] Well, we've had a couple of tremendous clarifications.
[00:21:30] One of them is the unity of the immigration issue.
[00:21:34] There's none of this, oh, illegal immigration, legal immigration.
[00:21:37] It's all immigration.
[00:21:39] It's all replacement.
[00:21:40] It's all to the detriment of our society long term.
[00:21:45] And that's good.
[00:21:46] That is good.
[00:21:47] Ideologically speaking, that's great.
[00:21:48] And the second thing is also reinforcement that you cannot trust the special interests.
[00:21:55] You cannot trust them.
[00:21:56] They have their own interests.
[00:21:57] Their interests, unfortunately, to a huge degree in 2025 or 2025 very soon are not our interests.
[00:22:05] So those are two very clarifying points that will be useful down the road.
[00:22:10] But in the shorter term, no, there's a lot of work to be done.
[00:22:14] And there's still a common desire to do that work.
[00:22:19] Doge is not an option.
[00:22:21] It's not an option.
[00:22:22] We are going to go bankrupt.
[00:22:23] This country will go down the tubes.
[00:22:25] A dollar will go down the drain if they don't get a couple billion dollars out of the budget.
[00:22:31] So something is going to happen there.
[00:22:34] And the illegal immigration situation is totally untenable right now.
[00:22:39] This is what I've talked about before, James.
[00:22:40] I think you've heard me say it.
[00:22:42] You know, I've supported Trump because of the four existential crises that we're facing that I think he can buy his time.
[00:22:49] He's not the national savior.
[00:22:51] And God only knows Elon Musk is not our national savior.
[00:22:55] But I believe he is positioned and has the temperament and the capability to ameliorate some of these crises and buy us the time to do the work we need to do on the ground long term to save our civilization.
[00:23:09] Well, you raised the subject.
[00:23:12] So I'm going to press it with you.
[00:23:13] Where are these couple of billion dollars or billions of dollars going to come from in the budget to get jettisoned?
[00:23:20] Second.
[00:23:21] All over.
[00:23:22] They're all over the place, Keith.
[00:23:24] That's a that's a big topic.
[00:23:25] But they are all over the place.
[00:23:27] Trust me.
[00:23:28] It's there in the Pentagon alone.
[00:23:31] Ukraine be part of a ton.
[00:23:33] Pardon me.
[00:23:35] I said, is Ukraine going to be part of the group that gets a haircut?
[00:23:39] Oh, totally.
[00:23:41] Totally.
[00:23:43] And we can certainly help.
[00:23:45] Right, Lou?
[00:23:46] Lou, listen, I got to tell you again.
[00:23:48] What an honor.
[00:23:49] This is our last show of the year.
[00:23:51] So to have you to be a part of it, especially on such short notice is just an honor and a privilege.
[00:23:58] And I have just really enjoyed the last whatever it's been last half of this year where we've had the opportunity to get to know each other a little bit better through text message and emails and phone calls and on air appearances and even meeting in person.
[00:24:15] I just really respect the work you're doing.
[00:24:17] I respect your history.
[00:24:18] I respect the work you've done for years in Washington with Ron Paul.
[00:24:23] Folks, check him out for yourself at Lou Moore dot com.
[00:24:27] He's an all American guy and he's one of one in a million.
[00:24:30] And we're thankful to have him and to be able to count him as a friend.
[00:24:33] Lou, enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend.
[00:24:35] Thanks for peeling out of it to come on with us.
[00:24:38] Happy New Year.
[00:24:38] And I look forward to more collaboration in twenty five.
[00:24:41] Absolutely.
[00:24:42] Thank you.
[00:24:43] Lou Moore, everybody.
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[00:25:03] I'm Jason Walker.
[00:25:05] Russian leader Vladimir Putin has apologized to his Audrey Jean counterpart for what he calls a
[00:25:11] tragic incident following the crash of that airliner in Kazakhstan to kill 38 people.
[00:25:17] BBC correspondent John Donison.
[00:25:20] The White House spokesperson, John Kirby, said there were early indications that pointed to the possibility
[00:25:25] the plane was brought down by Russian air defense systems.
[00:25:29] The Kremlin has again refused to comment.
[00:25:31] But Russia's civil aviation agency said Ukrainian drones were active in the area around Grozny,
[00:25:38] the plane's original destination at the time.
[00:25:40] Given the huge fireball that erupted when the plane crash landed in Kazakhstan,
[00:25:45] it's remarkable there were any survivors.
[00:25:48] Authorities on the scene of that train collision in Florida where a train hit a fire truck this morning.
[00:25:55] Fifteen people injured, including three firefighters.
[00:25:58] But there were no fatalities.
[00:26:01] Also at townhall dot com.
[00:26:03] Lawmakers in the nation's capital seeking to ban new sales of Chinese made drones.
[00:26:09] The argument is they could be used to spy on Americans and that the low-cost models are hurting the U.S. drone industry.
[00:26:16] But U.S. users spanning from police officers to farmers to mappers and filmmakers have come to rely on Chinese made drones,
[00:26:24] especially those by DJI technology for their work or lives.
[00:26:29] Florida has banned Chinese drones in state-funded programs, but also appropriated 25 million to help offset replacement costs.
[00:26:37] John Scott reporting.
[00:26:38] Panama rejecting Donald Trump's idea that his incoming administration might try to reassume control of the U.S.-built canal.
[00:26:48] Panama's conservative president, Jose Raul Molina, firmly describes that idea as a front to his nation's sovereignty.
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[00:29:02] It's Lacey again with a friendly reminder from James Edwards that TPC's Christmas fundraising
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[00:30:10] Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be presenting to you the final installment of TPC at 20, a
[00:30:15] retrospective.
[00:30:16] This special series, which has been featured throughout our 20th anniversary year, one hour per month.
[00:30:23] It's a 12-part series during which we have revisited clips from some of our most memorable
[00:30:28] interviews over the past two decades with fresh reaction and commentary.
[00:30:33] And part 12 of 12 tonight.
[00:30:35] This is December, the 12th month of the year, the 12th part of this series.
[00:30:39] It's going to feature another classic conversation with Pat Buchanan.
[00:30:42] And we have already featured Pat in this series, along with Drew Lackey, Anthony Cumia, Major
[00:30:47] General Zeljko Glasnovich, Walter Jones, Congressman Jones, Sonny Landom, Donald Trump Jr., Hutton
[00:30:53] Gibson, Ray Stevens, Lieutenant General, excuse me, Lieutenant Godfrey Dullias.
[00:30:59] We did last month the press pin interview, the press pin experience when Trump was running
[00:31:06] the first time.
[00:31:08] I was going to do George Wallace Jr. tonight.
[00:31:10] We're actually going to move that.
[00:31:11] We're not going to continue the retrospective series into 2025.
[00:31:13] This was a special thing just for our 20th anniversary year.
[00:31:18] But I wanted to do George Wallace tonight, George Wallace Jr.
[00:31:22] We're going to actually move him to Confederate History Month in April of 25, revisiting that
[00:31:27] particular hour, which was a great hour.
[00:31:30] I didn't want to do anybody twice.
[00:31:31] But we're going to do Buchanan twice tonight because, well, I mean, he's Buchanan.
[00:31:36] And there wouldn't have been a show without his influence.
[00:31:39] And also because this topic has become in vogue again with Tucker Carlson and Daryl Cooper.
[00:31:45] And, Keith, you compared the interview that Tucker Carlson did with Daryl Cooper versus the
[00:31:51] interview that we did with Pat Buchanan about a similar topic.
[00:31:55] And what was your conclusion very quickly?
[00:31:58] My conclusion was that Daryl Cooper's interview and his positions were weak tea compared to
[00:32:05] Buchanan, really.
[00:32:06] You know, it was good.
[00:32:08] And I appreciate it.
[00:32:10] But, you know, there is a hunger out there for Pat Buchanan opinions on things.
[00:32:16] And we, I think, are the only people that I know of that have an interview that was contemporaneous
[00:32:22] with the release of his book, Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War.
[00:32:28] Well, he, this, we did a few interviews with Pat.
[00:32:32] One of the things that's, you know, interestingly, I woke up on Christmas Eve morning and TPC-related
[00:32:38] content was the top featured article at the Occidental Observer, Countercurrents, and the UNS
[00:32:46] Review.
[00:32:49] At Countercurrents, it was an interview that we did with Sam Dixon, transcribed into text
[00:32:55] form.
[00:32:55] This was actually something we did for the Barnes Review, which was always a print interview,
[00:32:59] a print interview.
[00:33:00] But with TIO and UNS, it was this 2008 interview with Pat Buchanan about this book.
[00:33:05] And it was transcribed to print.
[00:33:08] And that's something that we're going to be doing more of in 25 with American Free Press
[00:33:13] and Barnes Review and the Occidental Observer and Countercurrents online, in print, on the
[00:33:18] air.
[00:33:18] I mean, we've got some gems.
[00:33:20] That's why we keep a library here.
[00:33:22] We've got some gems in our broadcast archives that if you hadn't, if you weren't listening
[00:33:26] to TPC, when it aired, you might have never known it existed.
[00:33:31] And some of these are timeless.
[00:33:32] Like this interview you're about to hear with Pat Buchanan, this could have been taped 15
[00:33:36] years ago or 15 days ago.
[00:33:39] And you wouldn't have been able to tell the difference.
[00:33:40] And so some of these evergreen articles, we're going to begin putting into print.
[00:33:44] We're going to be transcribing them and getting them out to a whole new audience, giving them
[00:33:48] a whole new lease on life.
[00:33:49] Well, criticism of Churchill and support for Hitler's positions at the beginning of the
[00:33:54] war is getting a new life.
[00:33:57] And we just think that there's such a hunger for Pat Buchanan content right now that I think
[00:34:04] it's just serendipity that it came together at this point.
[00:34:07] Well, it did.
[00:34:07] And so again, after all these years on Christmas Eve, it was the top piece at TOO and Unz Review.
[00:34:15] And by the way, I think I'm, I'm pretty sure Ron Unz is going to be our first guest of 2025.
[00:34:20] So first you love Ron Unz, don't you, Keith?
[00:34:23] Yeah, I've been, I've been cheerleading for him to be added to our daily blog.
[00:34:28] Well, let's listen to, and long since he should have been, I mean, that's just because that
[00:34:33] never gets updated.
[00:34:34] But anyway, let's listen to this.
[00:34:37] Let's go all the way back.
[00:34:39] Part 12 of 12.
[00:34:40] And it coincides nicely and pairs well with the first hour content we had live this evening
[00:34:46] with Taylor Young and Warren Bailog.
[00:34:49] This is what it sounded like if you're listening to TPC in the summer of 2008.
[00:34:55] Tell me, Pat, what compelled you to write Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War?
[00:35:28] Well, there were a number of things.
[00:35:29] I've created eight of them.
[00:35:30] So it was a great story in the first place.
[00:35:33] Secondly, it's a cautionary tale for the United States.
[00:35:36] The arrogance you see, the hubris of these, these folks, the monarchs and all their retainers
[00:35:43] just before World War I.
[00:35:45] And we can see emulated today, copied today, frankly, by some folks in the post-Cold War
[00:35:51] America.
[00:35:52] So it was to try to tell a cautionary tale to prevent what's happening to us, what happened
[00:35:57] to Great Britain and the British Empire.
[00:35:58] Well, with that being said, that is a perfect segue to my next question.
[00:36:02] What are the parallels between the United Kingdom of the interwar years, those being the years
[00:36:07] between World War I and World War II, and the United States of America today?
[00:36:11] Well, one of the greatest is the British decisions to alienate old allies like Japan, which had
[00:36:19] been a loyal ally in World War I.
[00:36:21] The Brits broke the treaty with them on the demand of the United States for no good reason
[00:36:25] whatsoever.
[00:36:26] And Japan was sort of driven into isolation and anger and rage.
[00:36:30] And eventually turned to her own imperial policy and collided with Great Britain.
[00:36:37] Italy, even under Mussolini, who loathed Hitler, was driven into Hitler's arms by the British-French
[00:36:44] decision to sanction Italy over a colonial war in Ethiopia, which was a mistake.
[00:36:50] They should have focused on Germany.
[00:36:52] And finally, you get this war guarantee that the British gave to Poland unsolicited.
[00:36:56] Even though Poland had participated in the rape of Czechoslovakia.
[00:37:01] At least the regime had.
[00:37:03] And so all of these decisions, you see them replicated in the United States now handing
[00:37:08] out war guarantees to the Baltic republics, to Ukraine and Georgia if McCain is elected.
[00:37:14] So I just see the same pattern repeating itself again and again.
[00:37:18] And I do believe the gentleman who said he would, we do not, you know, people really do not
[00:37:23] learn from history was right.
[00:37:25] Well, you know, Pat, you've offered so many great books and I've got all of them.
[00:37:31] Every time you set to write a book, you can guarantee yourself on one cell and that's right here in Memphis.
[00:37:35] But out of all your books, I really appreciated A Republic, Not An Empire as much as any of them.
[00:37:41] And you addressed this issue in one of the chapters in that book.
[00:37:45] And in this book, you expand upon that and certainly skewer the myth of Winston Churchill.
[00:37:52] What are some of the mistakes or myths, if you will, that hold up Churchill as a hero among
[00:37:57] many Americans, especially the neoconservatives?
[00:37:59] Well, there's no question that Winston Churchill was a heroic figure in 1940 when he took over
[00:38:05] the premier ship in Great Britain just as the Germans were breaking through in the Ardennes.
[00:38:10] He defied Hitler, he defied the Germans, he fought on, he inspired his people.
[00:38:16] He was the leader during the Battle of Britain.
[00:38:18] And Americans watched that from across the ocean and there was an indelible impression
[00:38:24] that here was a defiant bulldog who represented the British people at their best.
[00:38:29] That's a true story.
[00:38:30] That's not just myth.
[00:38:32] However, there's another Churchill who in 1942, 43, 44 is slipping into Moscow,
[00:38:39] dividing Europe with Stalin.
[00:38:41] I mean, groveling to Stalin in a way that would make Neville Chamberlain look like Davy Crockett,
[00:38:47] just writing off the polls for whom the British had gone to war.
[00:38:51] And then you go back all the way to 1913 and 1914.
[00:38:56] He lusted for war far more than the Kaiser who was trying to avoid war.
[00:39:00] That's right.
[00:39:01] And he's drawn myths that we've been raised on as kids.
[00:39:05] And so this is one reason I wrote the book, at least the new generation coming up,
[00:39:10] that is not sort of, if you will, saturated or marinated in these myths
[00:39:15] can understand how it was our grandfathers and fathers destroyed Western civilization.
[00:39:19] I thought that might have been, and I mentioned this in the first hour,
[00:39:24] I thought that might have been the mic drop moment of that particular interview.
[00:39:28] He wrote the book so that the generations to come would know why their grandfathers decided
[00:39:36] to destroy Western civilization.
[00:39:37] They wouldn't have this one-sided picture of World War II.
[00:39:41] Basically, my opinion was that Hitler was first and foremost a grassroots anti-communist.
[00:39:47] And I don't think that a lot of Americans today realize what a threat communism posed to Christian Europe.
[00:39:56] Hitler was the guy that rose to the head of the class in Germany, Mussolini, Italy, Franco, Spain.
[00:40:03] But they all discovered something about the Communist Party, which was its membership was 75% Jewish in each of their nations in the 1920s
[00:40:15] when they first came to prominence.
[00:40:18] Let's go back to the interview with Pat Buchanan about Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War,
[00:40:22] as you heard it on TPC.
[00:40:24] And you hear it now again, a replay of a replay with all the hiss.
[00:40:28] It sounds like it was recorded in like the 40s.
[00:40:31] But no, it was just back in 2008.
[00:40:33] So pardon the not quite exceptional audio quality, but I think you can still hear every word,
[00:40:40] and every word needs to be heard.
[00:40:42] Again tonight, part 12 of 12 of our TPC at 20 retrospective series.
[00:40:48] What is it, Pat, about World War II that your detractors don't seem to understand?
[00:40:53] I think there is the idea, and it's come, frankly, from my,
[00:40:58] and the book is dedicated to four of my uncles who were greatest generation Americans and fought in Europe,
[00:41:05] one of whom came back from Anzio with a silver star.
[00:41:08] I think it's the idea that this was a good war.
[00:41:12] This was a war where pure good fought pure evil,
[00:41:17] which a war that had to be fought and was necessary.
[00:41:20] And there are no doubts and qualms about it.
[00:41:23] But that is not true, as I write.
[00:41:26] And that's why you, in effect, are dispelling some of the great myths by which Americans live.
[00:41:32] When you say that Winston Churchill blundered,
[00:41:35] I mean, Chamberlain and Churchill blundered serially again and again to bring about a war with Germany.
[00:41:42] Hitler didn't want war with the West.
[00:41:44] He didn't want war with Poland.
[00:41:46] He didn't want a world war.
[00:41:47] He wasn't even prepared for a world war.
[00:41:49] To say that he was a thug and a brutal dictator and a bully
[00:41:54] and someone who used threats of violence and force as tools of diplomacy is correct.
[00:42:00] To say that he did horrible things in wartime is correct.
[00:42:03] But as I say, had there been no war, there would have been no holocaust.
[00:42:08] And I'm not sure there would have been a war if the British hadn't issued this insane war guarantee.
[00:42:14] Well, you know, history is, Pat, kind of like a Sunday buffet.
[00:42:18] People seemingly take what they want and leave the rest on the table.
[00:42:22] And, of course, it's been lost to antiquity,
[00:42:25] the fact that the vast majority of Americans stood with Charles A. Lindbergh
[00:42:29] and the America First Committee in opposition to our entry into World War II
[00:42:32] before the attack, of course, on Pearl Harbor.
[00:42:35] Well, good for you.
[00:42:37] Good for you in bringing up Colonel Lindbergh's name
[00:42:40] because his reputation has been blackened.
[00:42:43] Because of a single speech he gave and a couple of paragraphs in it
[00:42:47] where he said that, you know, there are three forces that are moving for war.
[00:42:51] And one of them is, of course, the Roosevelt administration.
[00:42:53] The other is the British, which was clearly true.
[00:42:56] They had the man called Intrepid, William Stevenson,
[00:42:58] trying to find ways to get the Americans into war, putting up propaganda,
[00:43:03] frankly, blackmailing senators and everything.
[00:43:05] And then he said the Jewish community is beating the drums for war,
[00:43:08] but this is going to be a disaster for the Jewish community if we get into war.
[00:43:12] And, of course, that was verboten to say.
[00:43:14] But, frankly, no one has said what he said was, you know, palpably untrue.
[00:43:19] And these folks, and before December 7, 1941, the America First Committee offered,
[00:43:27] they said, look, let's put up a resolution in Congress saying we declare war on Germany
[00:43:32] and have it voted up or down, but don't sneak us by a back door into war.
[00:43:36] Uncles had fought and bled and died in World War I only to make the world safe for democracy,
[00:43:42] only to see the British Empire next another million square miles.
[00:43:45] And we're certainly following in their footsteps with regards to the collapse of what was truly...
[00:43:52] Keith, I've got to ask you, does the fact that this interview occurred on TPC make you proud?
[00:43:59] It does, like so many other things.
[00:44:02] You know, it's incredible when you look back at our archives and our library of topics and people we interviewed.
[00:44:09] You know, we were country before country was cool, as somebody said.
[00:44:15] You know, we basically blazed a trail on so many of these issues.
[00:44:20] And, you know, for example, a reevaluation of what really happened in World War II and was Hitler really as bad, as I said, or Churchill as good.
[00:44:30] You know, that has just cropped up, you know, like a mushroom in everybody's front yard in the last four to six months.
[00:44:37] But in 2008, no one was really having these conversations.
[00:44:40] And people say now, well, you know, he didn't take it far enough.
[00:44:44] In 2008, this was far.
[00:44:45] The fact that the discourse has evolved to the point now where you can go further than this interview did.
[00:44:53] This dropped a bomb on the left.
[00:44:54] And this was also Pat Buchanan.
[00:44:56] This wasn't, you know, your average guy with nothing to lose telling all the truth.
[00:45:00] The Bible instructs us that only a fool speaks his entire mind.
[00:45:04] So for whatever things you think Pat should have said that he didn't say in this interview or in this book, you know, give that a rest, folks.
[00:45:12] I mean, this was a guy who had a nationally syndicated column.
[00:45:15] He was one of the most preeminent and impactful politicians of the 90s.
[00:45:22] He led.
[00:45:23] It was his ideas that led Trump to the White House.
[00:45:26] He is basically the godfather of Trumpy Trumpism in a lot of ways.
[00:45:31] The reaction of the left.
[00:45:32] And he still had.
[00:45:33] He was still a nationally syndicated columnist in a network anchor at this time, at the time that he said this.
[00:45:38] You mentioned propaganda.
[00:45:41] Had the fine providence seen fit for Pearl Harbor to have never occurred, let's say the United States stays home and Germany proceeds to defeat Stalin, what would America have looked like in 2008?
[00:45:52] Pat, would Hitler have come over here, liquidated Christianity, holocausted our people, or would perhaps the world have been a better place had we abstained?
[00:46:00] Well, you can't know.
[00:46:02] I mean, by then, when you're talking about 1941, Hitler did not want war in the West.
[00:46:08] That's why he didn't demand the return of Alsace-Lorraine from France, where he did want the return of Danzig from Poland or from the League of Nations.
[00:46:18] And he did not want war with Britain, never did.
[00:46:21] He wanted to see the British Empire preserved.
[00:46:24] He was a great admirer of it.
[00:46:26] He thought Britain was a natural ally of Germany because they had no conflicts.
[00:46:30] And so I think if the British hadn't given the war guarantee, I don't know that there would even have been a war with Poland.
[00:46:37] Because the German offer was not outrageous for return political control of their city, Danzig, with the Poles having economic control.
[00:46:46] And I don't know if there would even have been a war with the Soviet Union then for the reason that Germany would not have had a border with the Soviet Union.
[00:46:55] They would have had to get permission from Romania or from Poland and from Hungary even to invade the Soviet Union.
[00:47:02] So I don't know there would have been a war.
[00:47:05] If, however, Hitler had not declared war in the United States, I think he would have been stopped in Russia.
[00:47:13] The Russians had stopped him clearly by 1940.
[00:47:17] But it might have, the outcome of that war would have been in doubt because I think it was American Lend-Lease and all the equipment we gave to Stalin,
[00:47:24] which enabled him to really sustain his war effort and mount that enormous offensive the Russians had coming into Europe.
[00:47:32] Right.
[00:47:32] I do think if you had not gotten into the war by 43, Stalin would probably have been on the Rhine, not just the Alp.
[00:47:43] Well, that's very interesting.
[00:47:44] And it could have been.
[00:47:45] But certainly a lot of American blood would have been spared.
[00:47:48] And I think that's what we all would have wanted.
[00:47:50] Right.
[00:47:50] Well, it was a wonderful thing the America First people did.
[00:47:52] And I was criticized for it.
[00:47:54] But in the America First folks kept us out of war until after Hitler made his fatal blunder of invading Russia,
[00:48:02] which meant that the Russians bore the burden of battle, as they rightly should have,
[00:48:07] as Stalin's regime certainly should have because they were partners of Hitler.
[00:48:10] And Americans, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of American soldiers lived who would not have lived if we had had to fight Germany from the West
[00:48:22] and without the Soviet Union in the war.
[00:48:25] Well, Pat, you're certainly a student of history.
[00:48:27] I like to read as much as I can.
[00:48:30] Well, I'm going to play here.
[00:48:31] We're beginning to run out of time.
[00:48:34] I want to play something from C-SPAN.
[00:48:37] But we'll quickly go back to this.
[00:48:38] We won't be able to play it all.
[00:48:39] Let's go about researching for this book.
[00:48:41] This is yet another typically well-researched Pat Buchanan book.
[00:48:46] Who did you primarily consult with and reference when writing this?
[00:48:49] Well, what I did was after I did a republic, not an empire, I got that good letter from George Kennan,
[00:48:55] the great geostrategist of the Cold War, who agreed with me on a point I'd been really torn apart for,
[00:49:01] which was when I said, look, once after the Battle of Britain, if the Germans couldn't get air superiority over the British Isles,
[00:49:10] they certainly couldn't get it over the Atlantic.
[00:49:12] And if they couldn't land in England, they're not going to land in the United States.
[00:49:16] It's preposterous.
[00:49:16] There was no threat.
[00:49:17] And I was attacked for that.
[00:49:20] And I sort of determined that I said, at some point I'm going to expand on this argument because I think it's true.
[00:49:26] And so, well, you know, I started reading more and more books, and I was going to write a book on the war guarantee.
[00:49:31] And then you go back and say, well, how did we get to there?
[00:49:35] And you keep going back.
[00:49:36] And I had to sort of cut it off in 1905.
[00:49:39] But I've got about 120 books, histories, biographies.
[00:49:42] I mean, Churchill, I must quote six of Churchill's books, six of Andrew Roberts' books.
[00:49:48] He's a friend of mine, a historian in Britain.
[00:49:50] And you just keep reading them.
[00:49:52] And what you do is you decide, here's the six key decisions and pivot points that decided the history of the century.
[00:50:00] One of them, of course, is just before the six weeks between Sarajevo, the assassination of the Archduke in World War I.
[00:50:06] You get Versailles, another.
[00:50:08] And I decided that the British breaking their treaty with Japan was another at the Washington Naval Conference.
[00:50:14] And then I've discovered that Mussolini despised Hitler, loathed him, wanted an alliance with the West.
[00:50:20] So you did the stress affront.
[00:50:22] Then the familiar ones, Rhineland, Anschluss, Munich.
[00:50:26] But the key one is the war guarantee.
[00:50:28] And that's the soul of the book.
[00:50:29] And if people can only read one chapter, read that because it shows how leaders in panic and haste and folly who have been knocked on their heels by being humiliated can make a horrendous decision which cost them everything.
[00:50:46] Everything.
[00:50:47] The whole British Empire and the British nation as one of the first ranked nations, that was put on the line in an insane war guarantee that the British could not honor and did not honor.
[00:50:58] And if people want to know more, they're going to have to go out and buy the book.
[00:51:02] Right, Pat?
[00:51:02] Yes.
[00:51:04] Buy it and take it to the beach on July 4th.
[00:51:07] There you go.
[00:51:08] And buy a couple of copies for your friends.
[00:51:09] And that book is, of course, Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War, How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World.
[00:51:16] It is a runaway bestseller on the charts right now, authored by our good friend Pat Buchanan.
[00:51:22] Mr. Buchanan, thank you so much for coming back on our program, for fighting for our people.
[00:51:26] And last question, what can your fans expect to see from Pat Buchanan for the next 20 to 30 years?
[00:51:33] Well, I don't know how long we're all going to last, to be very honest.
[00:51:36] I hope to write.
[00:51:39] You know, I've got one book in mind.
[00:51:41] I'm not sure I'm going to do it.
[00:51:42] One book in mind, which is, I think that, and it would be not a large book, but it's sort of the, it's not Death of the West,
[00:51:52] but it's sort of the coming world where I think issues of race and ethnicity and culture, the wars of race, ethnicity, and culture,
[00:52:01] are going to replace the old wars, if you will, of ideology and dynasty and empire.
[00:52:07] And I see that coming, and it's not a pleasant sight, but Pat Moynihan sort of saw it coming, so did Dr. Schlesinger.
[00:52:15] And I've read a number of columns on this, and you see the divisions in our society increasingly along the lines of race and ethnicity.
[00:52:24] And I don't think it's a pleasant prospect that our kids and grandkids confront.
[00:52:29] And I'm going to try to address it and see if there's any ways that it can be resolved, short of some sort of balkanization of America.
[00:52:38] I'm going to pause it right there.
[00:52:40] Keith, he did go on to write that book, and he did go on to come back to this program to talk about it.
[00:52:45] Right.
[00:52:45] The book was Suicide of a Superpower.
[00:52:47] It was about ten years after Death of the West, and it's really a follow-up to Death of the West, two of the best books that he wrote.
[00:52:55] But this book on Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War basically opened up the topic that we're talking about now.
[00:53:04] You know, Daryl Cooper's interview with Tucker Carlson, you know, is one opening up.
[00:53:12] But the real opening up, making it a topic that could be discussed by literate people and intelligent people, was due to this book by Pat Buchanan.
[00:53:23] Pat Buchanan is fearless, and he's also very intelligent.
[00:53:30] And, you know, you can take what he tells you about things to the bank.
[00:53:34] There was no need.
[00:53:35] Basically, the West lost the war.
[00:53:41] Churchill wanted to be, you know.
[00:53:43] Are we in break?
[00:53:45] Keep going.
[00:53:46] Okay.
[00:53:47] Yeah.
[00:53:47] Well, the thing is, Churchill wanted history to be frozen in 1815 when Britain had beaten Napoleon at Waterloo.
[00:53:57] But the Germans deserve to be the number one nation in Europe, and that's what involved.
[00:54:03] That's why Churchill was a warmonger in World War I and World War II.
[00:54:06] That's going to wrap up our TPC at 20, Part 12 of 12 of our retrospective.
[00:54:12] If you want to read that transcript, American Free Press was the first to publish it, then Kevin McDonald at TOO and Ron Unz.
[00:54:20] Go to TheOccidentalObserver.net if you want to read it.
[00:54:24] The great Ron Unz of The Unz Review.
[00:54:27] Go to TheOccidentalObserver.net.
[00:54:29] It was published December the 23rd if you want to read that full transcript.
[00:54:34] It's great stuff.
[00:54:35] What a retrospective series.
[00:54:37] 12 months, 12 parts.
[00:54:39] It's done.
[00:54:40] Our 20th anniversary year is almost over, but not yet.
[00:54:44] One hour still to go.
[00:54:45] Stay tuned for some treats and maybe a surprise or two.
[00:54:49] Stay tuned.
[00:54:49] Stay tuned.
[00:54:49] Bye.