Radio Show Hour 1 – 2026/09/12

[00:00:01] You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is The Political Cesspool. The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program. And here to guide you through the murky waters of The Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.

[00:00:29] Welcome everybody to tonight's live broadcast of TPC. I'm your host, James Edwards. This Saturday evening, September 12th, for what promised us to be an exceptionally busy broadcast. Later in the program, we're going to close in the third hour by remembering 9-11, 25 years later, quarter of a century since the events of 9-11-2001. We will be talking about that in the third hour.

[00:00:58] In the second hour, though, in contrast, we will have an especially positive and, indeed, I hope, inspirational second hour with our guests there. But first, to kick off tonight's show, we have not one but two dynamic guests appearing in tandem to discuss not just the most recent elections in Germany,

[00:01:20] where the alternative for Deutschland scored a very historic victory, I think we could say, but also trends as they exist throughout all of continental Europe as we head into the fall of 2026. Welcome to the show. Joining me now live are both British barrister Adrian Davis and Mark Weber, director of the Institute for Historical Review. And, Mark, I'll begin with you before we go to Adrian.

[00:01:47] You had written in an email to your IHR friends and supporters that Native Europeans increasingly feel like strangers in their own countries. They're angry over the influx of millions of culturally and racially alien migrants and scorn the so-called establishment parties that have enabled and encouraged that flood. Ever more Europeans are supporting what they would call extremists, quote-unquote, populist parties that pledge to halt mass immigration.

[00:02:15] These include reform and restore parties in Britain, which Adrian will expertly touch on in a moment, as well as the national rally in France, and the aforementioned alternative for Deutschland, the AFD, in Germany. And we're talking about this historic election victory, Mark, last Sunday by this, again, so-called extremist far-right AFD in the Germany state of Saxony and Halt.

[00:02:39] And, again, how this may portend to or rather be a confirmation of a growing European trend. Mark, with that introduction now behind us, please take it away, my friend. It's great to have you back tonight. Well, the election last Saturday was historic because the AFD came out as by far the largest single party in a German state or region, Saxony and Halt.

[00:03:04] And this raises very, very important questions in Germany, but it's part of a larger trend. As I mentioned, across Europe, there is an almost universal repudiation of the establishment parties. They were all kind of center-left, center-right parties in all of the European countries that were the dominant prevailing parties in power from the end of World War II up until fairly recently.

[00:03:31] Today, they're in disarray, and they're scorned by their people, especially over the issue of immigration. Across Europe, there is enormous unhappiness, and this has been growing for many years now, to the large-scale third-world immigration of people from North Africa, from the Middle East, and from around the world to Europe. And people increasingly in Europe feel alien. They feel strangers in their own country. And there's a great deal of reaction to this.

[00:04:00] One of the most obvious things is the parties that traditionally represent working-class people in Britain, in France, in Germany, have effectively betrayed their own base of support by bringing in cheap labor from the third world, by bringing in third-world people. This has been especially a hard blow for working-class people. Wealthy people can, of course, buy their way out of the problems caused by this, but ordinary people, working people, cannot do that.

[00:04:27] And they're the ones on whose shoulders the brunt of this problem has fallen. And that's why they're repudiating everywhere across Europe the establishment parties. This represents, though, more than just a repudiation of party. It represents the rejection of the ideology that has been in place since the end of the Second World War, which says, well, nationalism doesn't matter. Countries don't matter. We're all human beings. Diversity is a strength. We should welcome these people.

[00:04:56] They're fellow human beings. Why can't they be here? Who says that a country is for one particular people who speak any particular language or have any particular religion? In effect, Europeans are unhappy with the ideology that America has been promoting for years, including during the Second World War, that we're all human beings. America is a country for everyone, and European countries should be countries for everyone. Europeans are very much overwhelmingly rejecting that,

[00:05:24] and that's why dissident populist parties, which are called right-wing or extremists, are the most popular parties now, according to polls, in France, in Germany, England, and so forth. And this is a dramatic change in attitude and increasingly in political life across the continent, as we're seeing now, especially in Germany. What we're going to do this hour, my friends, is we're going to skip the floater breaks. We're going to maximize our time together,

[00:05:52] because to have both you, Mark, and Adrian together on the air at the same time to talk about what's going on in Europe right now in real time is a luxury, and we don't want to waste a moment of it. So with that having been said, let's go to Adrian for an opening remark on this. Of course, Adrian, the longtime friend of the program, an English barrister, we call them attorneys here, but as Mark has also mentioned, he's going to be helping us take a well-informed look at these dramatic developments in Europe

[00:06:21] as someone who lives on the continent. And so he will be able to speak with authority based not just on his proximity to these things, but also because of years of experience and observation in British politics in the continental European scene. So I think, Adrian, we're going to spend maybe the first half of this hour on the situation in Germany and then expand it to Europe as a whole in the second half.

[00:06:48] But what was your reaction to this election, and how meaningful is it really? And then I've got questions that I'll have you both take one after the other. Well, my reaction to it is it is a very, very important election, despite some factors that might at first seem to play slightly against that. Sachsen-Anhalt is a relatively small German land. Their lender, roughly equivalent to your state,

[00:07:15] relatively small German land and very poor by the standards of Germany, which was, at any rate, until recently, a very wealthy country. It's one of the lender that formed part of the former German Democratic Republic until 1990. But my first recollections of its capital, Magdeburg, were arriving there in an overnight Paris to Berlin sleeping car train in 1984,

[00:07:43] when you've got the authentic German Democratic Republic vibe. As soon as you open the window of the carriage, the overwhelming reek of lignite, which is a disgusting brown coal, which was abundant in that region, that burns giving off a highly sulfuric acid-tainted smoke, permeates your clothes, your hair, and every aspect of it. For me, as a railway, it was a fantastic sight.

[00:08:10] The marshalling site outside Magdeburg was full of huge steam locomotives forming up their trains for disgusting brown coal to take them to various lucky places in the German Democratic Republic. This was a time-warped place, as the GDR was. Now, that had consequences. After reunification, the German state, now consisting both of the former Federal Republic and the former Democratic Republic,

[00:08:38] threw an enormous amount of money at the former East in an attempt to bring it up to West German standards. This was not a complete success, not by a long way. One of the problems which happened was that, whereas the Commodists built their so-called anti-fascist protective wall to prevent people leaving the workers and peasants' paradise of East Germany and going to the West, once you tore down the Berlin Wall, a huge number of people,

[00:09:06] particularly the younger, better educated, more dynamic people, carried out a substantial internal migration within Germany, so that the Eastern lender were left with older, less economically active people, and the attempt to rebuild its economy was not a great success. This, again, had ongoing consequences of a particular kind. There will have also more positive aspects about the East.

[00:09:33] Now, I'll say this to someone who's in the German Democratic Republic twice under Communist rule. There are many bad things about Communist rule. All it did not have was a self-flagellating guilt culture, where Germans were told they were uniquely wicked people and their past was somehow absolutely terrible, and they must all commit suicide in some way or another to atone for their grandparents' sins. It had a curious theory that 1949,

[00:10:03] the year in which the German Democratic Republic was created, after that it was Tabula Raj, you get a completely new society. So it did have a very different culture. The combination of a healthier culture, which was not ethnomasochistic and self-loathing, but was also extremely economically unsuccessful, tended to be a good soil in which to build a radical alternative party.

[00:10:31] So it is not surprising that in its early years, the AfD really took off in the East. Now, that's not where it began. Gruz were actually in West Germany, amongst leading theoretical economists. It was really, in many ways, a libertarian party that had been radicalized to an ethno-nationalist position. It began as a libertarian party, which was sick of the wasteful bureaucracies of the European Union and the fact that Germany was supposed to subsidize the whole of Southern Europe.

[00:11:03] So that was an origin of the AfD. We're much more like, I don't know, in American terms. It would be more like a Ron Paul movement than a MAGA movement, much more so, let alone an ethno-nationalist movement. But it's changed. This is the question... Adrian, if you'll pardon the interruption, my friend, this is the question I wanted to pose to both you and Mark. So I'm going to read a quick paragraph, breaking this down,

[00:11:32] from one of the mainstream media reports here in the United States. This is from CBS. And then I'm going to ask your opinion on it, a quick answer, and then to Mark, and then we'll continue the conversation before in the latter half of this hour we look at Europe as a whole. And you have given a great talk on that recently, Adrian. So we're going to have an abbreviated tour of Europe in 30 minutes with Adrian Davis later on this hour. But the question is, again, not the significance in terms of what it means for the AfD. This is a significant win for them.

[00:12:02] But how significant is it for us? Here's what happened, just to break it down for everyone. According to CBS, the Alternative for Germany, the AfD, achieved its best ever result in Saxony-Anhalt, winning 44% of the vote in the September 6th state election, which was more than double its 2021 share. This surge came at the expense of Chancellor Friedrich Mertz' CDU, which collapsed to 17%, or 15 seats, far behind the AfD. Now, you have to remember, of course, folks,

[00:12:32] as I'm sure you do, it's not a two-party system over there, or in much of Europe, there are many parties that are competing here. So the AfD, in winning 44% of the vote, came close to securing a majority. They secured 39 of 83 seats, which was only three short of the 42 needed for an absolute majority. The press here, Adrian, and of course I guess globally, is apoplectic. One example here, the first far-right state bid since World War II.

[00:13:01] CBS writes that the win marks the first time a far-right party is within reach of leading a state government in modern Germany since Adolf Hitler. And then there is the firewall test, they say. Mainstream parties have long refused to cooperate with the AfD, which is classified as a far-right extremist party in some regions. So coalition formation remains uncertain. But this is the question. All of that having been said just as background for the listening audience, the question is this.

[00:13:29] You hear the media referring to the AfD as the Fourth Reich. You hear people in our movement say it's basically weak tea. Who are we to believe? And what's the truth? I think neither of those would be a terribly correct analysis. I would say that the AfD is itself a fairly internally diverse party, if I can put it that way, contains more than one current of opinion or current of entity.

[00:13:57] It is undoubtedly true that even today, the AfD sections in the former East Germany are significantly more radical and much more like an ethno-nationalist party than their counterparts in the West. This has led to the bizarre situation in which the Federal Defense Minister, Boris Vistorius, suggested that it would be a good idea to make the AfD illegal, preferably before last Sunday. He was only allowing six days to do this,

[00:14:26] which indicates a lack of long-term thinking for Federal Defense. The good idea to make it illegal before the elections in Sachsen-Anhalt to stop it winning. This is an interesting interpretation of democracy. But he himself said, of course, we might need to consider whether we only make the folkish or ethno-nationalist section of the AfD illegal, whereas we allow the German nationalist section of it, which we think is objectionable and reactionary, but nevertheless not anti-democratic, to continue. So there is,

[00:14:55] even the system recognizes that there are different currents of opinion in the AfD, and the answer to people, the answer to people who think that the AfD is the fourth right is absolutely absurd. They have not yet even come to, well, they've not even come to power in Sachsen-Anhalt. And by the way, the only credible coalition partner that they have is an absolutely bizarre party

[00:15:22] called the Bewegung Sarah Wagner, or Budnest Sarah Wagner. Sarah Wagner is a mixed-race lady of German and Iranian ancestry who used to be a member of the party called Die Linke, which means the left party. The left party is the direct successor to the communist ruling party of the East Germany, die Sozialistische Einheit in the West-Basai Deutschland. And she broke away from it because she, while very left-wing economics and very pro-Russian, also very socially conservative

[00:15:51] and doesn't go into all the LGBTQIA plus stuff, but this so-called neo-Nazi party, absurdly so-called, will only form a coalition government if you can line up with a breakaway from the former ruling communist party of East Germany, led by a lady who's of Iranian and German extraction. That does not really sound like the Third Reich to me. Oh, by the way, the other thing about the AFD, which is somewhat difficult to reconcile with the idea that this is the Third Reich brought back to life again,

[00:16:21] is that its principal policy is peace with Russia, where as far as I can recall, one of its principal policies is peace with Russia. Whereas as far as I can recall, the principal policy of the Third Reich was water the knife with the Soviet Union. So it is kind of strange. It's kind of strange. Mark will have his own take and I'll pass you over to him. Well, we'll do that. Go ahead, Mark, please, by all means. Yeah, well, one of the points I think is worth making is that in every one of these movements and parties in Europe, similar to the Republican Party

[00:16:51] here in the United States, there are really two big factions. One faction is a kind of protest of movement. They don't like what's happening. They want to set the clock back 10 or 20 years and they hope that they can sort of recreate the, go back to the way things used to be. But there's, in all of these parties and including here in the United States, there are younger people who are saying, well, what good does it do to go back 10 years if the problems that led to the situation

[00:17:21] today are still in place and are more concerned about, well, how do we build a society? How do we look to a future that's going to make sure that we don't have the problems that have led to this disastrous situation? And so that's happening not only in Germany but also in France, in England, across Europe. It's really the difference between the protest movement side of things and you might say the future-looking side of things. That's one point I would make. Another point

[00:17:50] I think that's really important is that in Germany, the basic law and the Constitution and the mindset of Germans is that democracy does not consist merely in a party having popular support. It has to support what they call democratic principles and that's anchored in the basic law of Germany. The Constitution or what they call the basic law says that the basic fundamental social-political order of Germany

[00:18:18] is the liberal-democratic basic order and what that means is it's not enough for a party to have popular support. It has to support egalitarian principles and it has to support the Constitution which guarantees the right of asylum by foreigners, for example. In other words, the German government constitution and basic law is based on the principles that America has been, well, put in place since the end of the Second World War.

[00:18:47] It has to embrace egalitarianism, universalism, and basically the country is going to be a country of its citizens that a German is defined by its passport, not by its culture or ethnicity. And that's similar to how Americans are supposed to think of this country as well. But Germany has that anchored in law and that means that a party in Germany that does not agree with those liberal principles should be banned as the German government has done in the past.

[00:19:17] Well, before we toss it back to Adrian, Mark, I would ask you this. I think the question we're exploring right now is the utility of this win. There is no doubt if you are a party member of the AFD or you're one of these newly minted elected officials over there, you're a supporter of the party there in Germany, this is a big win for you. But for the people of our mindset, our ideological fellow travelers or whether you want to call them American ethno-nationalists or identitarians or what have you, how significant is this win

[00:19:46] for our side, Mark? What it means is there's a very firm and increasing, growing rejection of the post-war order, the way things have been going since the 1950s and 60s to the present. And that's happening in America. That's happening all over the Western world or the white world, European world. There's a realization that things have come to a pass where the future looks very grim

[00:20:16] and very unpromising for younger people. That's everywhere people see this. And everyone sort of agrees, well, we can't have open borders. We have to decide. But that forces then people in America and in Europe to say, okay, what is it we want to conserve? What really is important? Is the principle of equality and democracy more important than the heritage and the future of our people? But that forces people to say, well, who's us? Who's the we?

[00:20:46] And that's why this is really significant. It's not so significant just that one party is taking power or might not be taking power. It's a sign of a repudiation and of a failure of the post-war order and the liberal democratic system that has been in place in the United States and Western Europe since the end of World War II. Roger Devlin sent out an email. I believe I may have forwarded it to both of you in preparation for tonight's broadcast, but it was a striking image. This is one of those times

[00:21:16] where I wish this was television and not radio so you could see it rather than having a verbal picture painted as I try to describe it. But with regards to the AFD's vote share along demographic lines in this state election that we're talking about right now, imagine a staircase. A staircase, you're standing at the top of it, it's descending. You have one step, a step below that, equidistant,

[00:21:46] another step below that, on and on and on, six steps, even all the way down, entirely even. From the 18 to 24 age demographic, the AFD got the highest share of the vote. They got the second, their second highest share was from the age 25 to 34 demographic. Third highest, 35 to 44, on down to 45 to 59,

[00:22:15] 60 to 69, and 70 plus. Six age demographics, the 18 to 24, by far the highest, 70 plus, the lowest, and each one descending down in an equidistant type of way all the way through. I mean, what that shows, I hope I described that in a way that listeners can understand. What that means is, of course, is that the future belongs to this party as it would stand right now. This is the demographic that is going to come of age and take over. These other demographics are going to continue

[00:22:44] to be unshackled from their mortal coils, and what does that pretend, Mark? First you, and then Adrian. Well, yes, that's very true, and that's shown specifically in Saxony-Anhalt where the leader of the party, his name is Ulrich Zigmund, he is only 35 years old. If he becomes what they call the minister president or governor, you might say, of Saxony-Anhalt, he would be the youngest in Germany. He would be the youngest person. The party is

[00:23:14] a very youthful party. That actually worries many older, many Germans who believe in democracy because if there was any political movement that was characterized by youth, it was the National Socialist Party during the 1930s. Hitler was the youngest chancellor in German history, and the party was overwhelmingly, had its strongest support among younger people. Remember, especially in Germany, the past is very, very important in a way that's not so important here in the United States.

[00:23:44] And over here, shadowing the politics in Germany is the question, well, is this going to be like the Third Reich? Is this like Hitler? And on that basis, if it is considered that way, the German government or the German Constitutional Court will declare the party illegal. It will ban it because it will say it's contrary to the spirit of what democracy should be, not merely having support but supporting certain principles of democracy

[00:24:13] which Germans say, which is anchored in their basic law in which Germans say, well, that's, especially older Germans say that's very important. We're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to come straight back to Adrian Davis and we're going to allow him to answer the same question just posed to Mark Weber and then we're going to depart Germany for ports of call throughout Europe. Think of our march around the world, but we're going to do it in 30 minutes. What we normally do in a month of programming,

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[00:30:08] to give both of our esteemed guests a very quick and proper introduction. Mark Weber, as you know, serves as the director of the Institute for Historical Review. He is a historian, a lecturer, a current affairs analyst, really one of the best anywhere, not just in our ranks, and an author as well. He was born and raised in Portland, Oregon, if you can believe it, and he was educated in both the U.S. and Europe and holds a master's degree in modern European history. Adrian Davis, an equally long-time friend,

[00:30:37] though not as frequent a guest because of the time zone differential there in the mother country, but he was educated at Cambridge University where he was a scholar at the very same college that gave a fellowship to the plagiarist, fraud, and exemplar of black excellence, Jason Arday, though unlike the spurious professor Arday, he took and earned a first-class degree without cheating. Later, Adrian pursued further studies at the Sorbonne in Paris

[00:31:07] and University College in London. After eight years as an associate in a leading law firm in the city of London, he set up practice on his own account as a barrister. Now, again, that's a trial lawyer. That's one of the ones that gets to wear the horsehair wig and the black stuff gown in court that you see on TV over here in the States. And over the past 30 years, he has represented many normie clients in addition to a clutch of political dissidents. Adrian has been involved in populist and nationalist politics in Great Britain

[00:31:36] for 45 years, even standing as a parliamentary candidate in South Staffordshire in 2005. He has known many of the personalities involved not only in British politics but also French nationalist circles for more than 40 years. And so, Adrian, we are about to depart to Western Europe more closer to your home and talk about reform and restore in Britain and the national rally in France. But first, just a capstone on the discussion about the recent elections

[00:32:06] in Germany as quick as you can. Again, the significance that you may find for our people and the fact that if current trends persist, this party is the future of Germany or at least these ideas presented by this party may be the future of Germany. Go with that and then let's head to Great Britain. Well, I totally agree with what Mark said so I'm just going to add a further observation of my own. While immigration has been perhaps the principal factor or disquiet with immigration being the principal factor driving the rise

[00:32:36] of the AFD and other populist and nationalist parties throughout Europe, it's certainly not the only factor. A very, very important change in Germany which partly explains the aid structure of support or an opposition to the establishment parties has been the perceptible sense of economic decline. It is no longer possible for the system to buy off dissent with economic prosperity which is exactly

[00:33:05] what it has been doing from the 1950s onward. The Germany of today is not the Germany of 30 years ago. Traditional industries are declining. They were declining anyway. They've been hit very badly by the boycotts imposed upon imports from Russia of oil and gas upon which German industry become very, very dependent and very addictive. In fact, President Trump correctly cautioned the Germans against exactly that dependence

[00:33:35] and was much mocked for it by the then federal chancellor, the catastrophic Angela Merkel. and it turns out that the president was absolutely right about that. Germany is economically in galloping decline. Its traditional heavy industries, particularly car building, are no longer competitive and it is not a leader in new technologies in the way it is a leader in traditional

[00:34:05] heavy manufacturing industry. So, it is not possible to buy off descent and the younger generation and this is something completely new since 1945 and in many countries far long ago in 1945. It is now apparent that the school and university age generation of today will on present trend be much poorer than their parents. This is a complete reverse from the way that things were. What consolidated support

[00:34:34] for the post-war order in Germany was the so-called Wirtschafts, the economic miracle of extraordinarily rapid growth from the appalling condition in which a devastating Germany found itself in 1945. So that by the end of the 1960s it would have become a rich, prosperous and successful country. That is all going into reverse. You have not got any money left for which to bribe the people. It remains very hard for the establishment to remain in power. That is true in Germany and it is true across Europe.

[00:35:03] But it is even more strikingly true in Germany because of the bias in Germany. I don't mean that in pedagogy terms I just mean it's an economic analysis. The bias in favor of traditional heavy industry. We in England may be industrialized which is a bad thing in many ways and have a financialized economy but in many ways the Germans are suffering even worse than we are because of the inability to maintain the economy they previously had. Volkswagen biggest car manufacturer

[00:35:33] in Europe is especially insolvent now. I mean it's trading while insolvent. What future there is for people in such a system I do not know. The older generation continue to vote for the system parties because hey they own their own houses they're rich they get nice pensions and they're unlikely to live long enough to see the worst of where things are heading. Alright so yes I mean that all makes sense and that

[00:36:02] it seems as though past may beginning to be prologue once again but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. Now Adrian before the astonishing results last week in Germany we had originally planned to spend an entire hour talking about the entire length and width of Europe the interesting things you're observing over there in terms of advancements from the different nations and the different right-leaning

[00:36:31] or nationalist parties throughout Europe obviously now we've spent the lion's share of the time on Germany alone and that leaves very little time for the rest of Europe but let's go back to your home country of the UK England let's talk about reform restore and then we'll go a little bit south to France what's going on there? Well in England we will United Kingdom we've had a palace coup within the ruling party that removed perhaps the most hated prime minister

[00:37:01] in British history Keir Starmer replaced him with a provincial mayor whose principal interest is in bus fares this may not prove to be a wholly successful experiment but for the moment at any rate provincial mayor is doing a lot better than Keir Starmer just by not being Keir Starmer which is actually a huge plus the central problems of the United Kingdom the United Kingdom has got problems that are very very difficult for any party to solve it is again it is a deeply insolvent state

[00:37:30] where the government now spends more money on welfare than it can raise to income tax which is the principal source of income the problems would be very very serious for anyone they're even more serious for the current ruling party because it's addicted to supporting vast populations in idleness those populations are not only immigrant populations actually several million probably the majority of those living off welfare without working are indigenous people who are highly

[00:37:59] disinclined to work and the government gives them handouts to keep them from rioting looting shops burning down public buildings etc but it's running out of money to do it so we have a ruling party with no answer to the problems of the country the most hilarious pronouncement of our new prime minister a few days ago was having told everyone that we need to maintain rock solid support for Ukraine

[00:38:29] against Russia on the other hand defense spending must not impact the welfare budget the most important thing is that the welfare budget comes before anything else including defense spending now you're going to have a view on the Russia Ukraine war I'm probably more sympathetic to the Ukrainian side than most people in our circles are but within limits I certainly don't want to have a war with Russia to maintain the borders of the Donetsk but if I did want to have a war with Russia I'd want to have an army and navy

[00:38:59] and an air force I would not wish to have a very lavish budget for welfare while shrinking all the armed forces of the British state which is already far weaker than any time in the last few hundred years it's just insanity an aggressive foreign policy an opposition to peace negotiators and at the same time refuse to ramp up defense spending massively to build up huge armed forces it's rather like in the England of 1944 Winston Churchill

[00:39:29] said well of course we want to liberate Europe from the Germans but the most important thing is to fund welfare for our people we can't be putting any landing ships aircraft tanks artillery or stuff like that nor could we maintaining vast armed forces because all this detracts from our overwhelming priority which is to find take money from people who work and give it to people who either cannot or more usually are disinclined to do any work to keep them happy that's the principal objective of the current British state the opposition to now

[00:39:58] another thing I would say for American listeners in particular who are not necessarily familiar with Europe is that each European country tends to have a very very different electoral system the German system is so complicated that you need to be a professor of higher mathematics at the University to understand how it works because it has a combination of a constituency based system rather than similar to your electoral districts and a party list system you can understand countries that have a party

[00:40:28] list system you can understand countries that have a constituency system the Germans would decide to have both at the same time which is much more fun we have a system far closer to the US system or put another way your system derives from ours which is why it resembles ours more closely but what is happening in the United Kingdom now is something that is not happening in the United States the traditional two party system is breaking down there is no longer a simple alternance

[00:40:58] in power between the conservative party and the Labour party the Nigel Farage's reform party has certainly had a very good run since the last general election for a long time it was leading all other parties in the polls it has run however into a number of problems how serious those will remain to be seen some of those problems are the result of

[00:41:29] a continual difficulty in British party politics which you'll know that again will be familiar with here is the need to find vast sums of money to fund the operations of political parties this has also got Marine Le Pen in serious trouble and we'll talk about that later on Farage has collected some enormous donations they come from cryptocurrency billionaires who live abroad to avoid paying any taxes in Great Britain where they're very high now I know nothing

[00:41:58] about these but it's a bit of an odd look for a populist party whose supporters are overwhelmingly drawn from the poorer strata of society to be quite so cozy with finance speculators reform as reform is another problem with reform is that its leader is both its single greatest asset and its single greatest liability Nigel Trash has

[00:42:46] of many system for many system can work a room a street what we call a pub you call a bar and everyone loves him however the private aspects of Farage are not so attractive he essentially has an authoritarian personality which brooks no dissent and while he's very

[00:43:16] authoritarian personality the brittle control freak who will not countenance anyone being anything other than a pale reflection of the sun that is the center of the universe it's almost parodic the party is in large measure the cult of his personality which is not a healthy situation it is a bad sign a political party if the leader is bigger than the party that does not bode well for

[00:43:46] the future especially when the leader is in his 60s and has spent his whole life drinking smoking womanizing and eating to excess such that his health must be not as good as a the example

[00:44:16] the author of is his expulsion of Rupert Lowe who was perhaps the most interesting charismatic and popular of the handful of members of parliament elected for reform two years ago at last election no reason a reason for expelling Rupert Lowe from the party but everyone knows what the real reason is the real reason is that Rupert Lowe got a louder round of applause from

[00:44:45] Nigel Farage at the reform party's annual meeting in 2024 I think that's right that was that was destined at the end it's rather like getting a louder round of applause than Stalin at the meeting of the central committee of the communist party soviet union not going to end well for you if that happens it has

[00:45:15] expelled them and there's nothing to stop people forming their own party now he took all that terribly lightly but Rupert Lowe's restore party which is far closer to what you or I would wish a political party to be the Nigel Farage reform party has gained some significant fraction it now has about 150 000 members which is a staggering total bearing in mind that

[00:45:45] so you have this demonised right wing insurgent party which now has about three quarters of the membership of the conservative party or two thirds of that of the Labour party very remarkable achievement it achieved some good votes the biggest problem that the restore party faces is the first past the post electoral system in England which makes it

[00:46:15] not concentrated in a small number of electoral districts you don't get elected so this is a strategic problem that it faces how politics will develop over the next few years remains to be seen but the long-term trend it's a demographically fractured society in galloping economic decline where once again we have the highest rate of unemployment amongst

[00:46:45] graduates in British history the young people coming out of British universities now the situation is terrible partly because of an over expansion of tertiary education creating too many graduates but also the impact of AI on entry level jobs and the general position in a country which is hard to fire people once you've hired them even if they're no good where there's large measure of labor protection which has its advantages but makes employers reluctant to take risks

[00:47:16] it's a bad economic outlook it's as I say demographically fractured it's a state that's way too ambitious it seems it can at the same time wage war be a factor against Russia while not spending any money on defense it's impossible to see how this goes on well Mark I want to work you back into this very quickly again Adrian being there

[00:47:45] has I guess a proximity and a knowledge that perhaps even political animals like we may not but your thoughts on the trends of Europe because this is something you're going to be addressing at tonight IHR meeting that is the overall trends of Europe vis-a-vis Germany and the things that are taking place in other parties so Mark if you want to answer to that and maybe there'll be time for Adrian to get a quick word in on what's going on in France well one of the most striking things

[00:48:26] so bad so deep rooted in British life that it's going to be very difficult it's going to take short term sacrifice to correct these problems this is very different than the kind of cheap promises that we hear from politicians including here in the

[00:48:56] by a long shot than Neil Farrage Neil Farrage's party began as the Brexit party getting out of the European Union and that was supposed to make everything better it didn't people got what they voted for which was to leave the European Union but they didn't get what they wanted which is the Britain that it used to be and in fact the government actually increased third world immigration after leaving the European Union and Rupert Lowe has a at least in his presentation

[00:49:26] a far more I think realistic rooted and also more serious look at what's going to be needed in the years ahead and that's this kind of division this kind of debate within these dissident movements is taking place across Europe the people who are more intelligent more farsighted realize that the problems have metastasized to such an extent that only very very serious major

[00:49:56] reform or radical measures are going to be necessary to really undo the damage that's been building for many many decades well Adrian with that having been said I must say to both of you I wish we were all there together again we had the chance to break bread not long ago at a very historic restaurant and I'll treasure that memory and until we all meet again and I wish I was there with both of you tonight but Adrian with a couple of minutes remaining let's talk France and by

[00:50:26] the way folks be sure to support the work of the Institute for Historical Review Mark Weber's incredible organization IHR.org of course as you know IHR.org but Adrian it seems as though if any party was ever going to break through the Le Pen have been knocking on the door at power big power ruling power in France forever but they never quite seem to make it past the threshold what is the current situation in France well I would say I would disagree with the view they've actually been

[00:50:56] knocking at the door for real power forever that's not so historically things are changing now but historically there there was clearly a threshold of about 17 to 18 percent of the vote that a party such as Jean-Marie Le Pen's Poir National renamed by his daughter could attain in a modern Western democracy under ordinary

[00:51:25] circumstances what has changed now is that normal circumstances in the 1990s are no longer normal it now seems France has some of the same problems as England has got terrible really terrible problems in its urban area actually worse than ours if you want to see a nightmare vision of hell some

[00:52:06] better than it is in any big North American city or any British city for that matter so socially and ethnically divided society the problems there the president of France Macron is limited to two terms as the United States presidents are or at least we think that I'll be interested to see whether President Trump changes that but the French president is limited to two terms his

[00:52:36] Le Pen is an interesting person I've met her I personally like her I respect for her ideologically I vastly prefer her niece Marion who has a bad falling out with her aunt and is far more radical than her aunt on immigration related issues but there's no doubt that Marie Le Pen is a woman who has a natural rapport with ordinary French people there was a fantastic one of

[00:53:06] ladies who are not the first clash of youth in a provincial town in western France and asked them who they were voting for and they were going to be voting for Marine Le Pen and why asked the horrified system journalist you're going to

[00:53:36] despise the ordinary people and that was a huge weakness in the president Macron he's a boy a Rothschild banker member of really international finance capitalist elite living at the level of wealth way beyond the ordinary Frenchmen but completely remote now a lot of their leaders have this French president but he takes it for ludicrous street so I

[00:54:06] even more hope as we run out of time even more hope there coming from Adrian Davis for the prospects of France are things looking up dare we have hope as the South Carolina state motto encourages us to do the old Latin thank you both listen two great guests only one hour and this breakthrough win in Germany it

[00:54:36] was impossible to really cover everything we had set out