Radio Show Hour 1 – 2026/08/22

[00:00:01] You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is The Political Cesspool. The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program. And here to guide you through the murky waters of The Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.

[00:00:30] It's good to be home, but we had a great time last week broadcasting live from the Southern Cultural Center in Wetumpka, Alabama. And, well, if you tuned in or listened to it in the archives, you heard the three hours of fun and fellowship and advancement that we enjoyed. And now we are back, and it is time to get back to business as usual. Welcome to the Saturday evening, August 22nd edition of TPC. I'm your host, James Edwards, along with Keith Alexander.

[00:00:58] And, well, more news from Alabama. Well, actually, on more than one front, in the second hour, I'm going to pick up where last week's show left off. And by that, I mean we made some very interesting historical stops on Sunday morning in Montgomery on the way home back to Memphis. And I will tell you about that and tell you something, some unique trivia that you probably didn't know.

[00:01:27] And that will be coming up at the top of the second hour. And we'll stay on a Southern theme in this second hour with Patricia Godwin, who is just a godsend to the South and her decades of work in Selma, Alabama. Can you imagine it? A Southern partisan in Selma? We'll talk to her in the second hour as we explore the residual fun of last week's live broadcast.

[00:01:50] But tonight, other things to cover, including the arrest of former SPLC leader Heidi Byrick. And in a moment, we'll be joined by Kevin McDonald, followed by Glenn Allen, the founder and chief legal officer for the Free Expression Foundation, to talk about the case against Byrick and his technical and legal opinions on the arrest and the indictment and the possibility for her sentence.

[00:02:20] But here is the story of what happened most recently in this developing case. Of course, we had earlier this summer a roundtable discussion, a panel discussion about the initial indictment against the SPLC. But now the plot thickens. CNN reports, and I'm reading from the CNN report here now, a former employee of the Southern Poverty Law Center has been arrested in California on charges that she oversaw secret payments

[00:02:46] to informants inside of white supremacist groups, one of whom she was allegedly living with and had a romantic relationship with at the time. The woman, Heidi Byrick, previously ran the SPLC's project tracking hate groups in the U.S. The Department of Justice has alleged that the program, which is no longer running, defrauded donors who did not realize they were helping pay individuals inside the same groups that the SPLC aimed to root out.

[00:03:11] Byrick allegedly oversaw payments of donors' monies to people inside these groups, according to the indictment that was unsealed last Wednesday. She also allegedly shared a bank account with one of those sources, which included funds from the SPLC payments. I believe she was part of the effort to open bank accounts in completely fictitious companies' names and make payments to individuals for reasons that were not accurate as described,

[00:03:39] Attorney General Todd Blanche said at a news conference last week. This is exactly what we said would happen in a case like this, which was what our investigators and U.S. attorneys and the agents working on the case will keep working on even after the initial indictment. Byrick has been charged as part of a superseding indictment with wire fraud conspiracy, conspiracy to submit false statements to federally insured banks, and conspiracy to conceal money laundering.

[00:04:06] The charges are part of the Justice Department's case against the SPLC over the alleged payments, which prosecutors say were done through shell companies. Almost done. I'm going to toss it over to Keith Alexander, the first of a couple of attorneys who will be weighing in on this this hour. Despite her role in overseeing the payments, some of which were directed to the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, Byrick allegedly had a romantic relationship with one source who infiltrated a group and stole documents for the SPLC, according to the indictment.

[00:04:34] It goes on to talk about the large amounts of money that were paid. The documents the person allegedly stole were used as part of an article that the SPLC later published. Byrick then allegedly paid a second informant to take the fall for the stolen documents. Heidi Byrick made an initial appearance in federal court, according to her defense attorney, Michael Proctor. CNN reported that she had been arrested earlier Wednesday.

[00:05:02] There is a new indictment that includes the former CFO of the SPLC, attorney Todd Blanche confirmed at a news conference at the DOJ headquarters, adding that an arrest had been made. So again, Keith, we recall earlier this summer, everyone was very interested. There was a buzz around this initial indictment, and now the plot is thickened. Now, months later, Heidi Byrick actually, according to this report, arrested and arraigned and has already appeared in court

[00:05:30] and is facing a little more heat than as an individual in addition to the organization proper. Well, I guess what it comes down to is there's a line somewhere between doing what you need to do in order to infiltrate an organization or, on the other hand, manufacturing the organization and supporting it, you know, lock, stock, and barrel

[00:05:57] to the point that basically they're just creating the enemy that they tell their donors that they are fighting. In other words, there would be no nationalized name, whatever group it is that was being supported, but for the support of the SPLC. And the government apparently feels pretty strongly that they have, you know,

[00:06:21] crossed that line into being more than just infiltrators but basically creating their enemies or else they wouldn't have gone this far as having Heidi Byrick arrested and charged formally with this. So that doesn't surprise me a bit. The left has always done this. The left did this in the Civil Rights Movement.

[00:06:48] The left was famous for not only—the weakness that right-wing groups have is that we are always needy of money. So if someone shows up with a big checkbook and says, I want to pay you some this, that, and the money to support you, they'll definitely get a hearing from the powers that be in that organization because, unfortunately, white Gentile, white advocacy groups are notoriously underfunded.

[00:07:18] I would like to say that that is not a universally accepted position. I mean, certainly not here and not in some other groups that we know. But you do have a chance of flipping some people who are on hard times by offering them bribes. Of course, that's been the—you can look at any— Well, they knew that. Any congressman, any senator can tell you that. But, yes, I mean, people are susceptible. Weaker people are susceptible to— And see, they're trying to play around where is line, where is it crossed and whatnot.

[00:07:46] But I don't think that the federal government would have arrested her and formalized these charges if they didn't think they had a pretty strong case that this was manufactured opposition. You know, of course, we're going to talk to Glenn a little bit later about the technical points of the law. Glenn has been involved and was a victim of this very case. The stolen documents that I believe are being alleged here led directly to Glenn Allen's firing

[00:08:14] from the city of Baltimore's law department. And so he has been a victim. And, of course, he has fought this in court. But that was before— These revelations came out. Yes, indeed. And so we'll see if he's, you know, perhaps would be willing to share if he's considering taking future action. Since his dismissal—God's will be done—since his dismissal from the city of Baltimore law department, he has set up his own shop, the Free Expression Foundation, which is helping so many good people.

[00:08:41] And his work there is absolutely indispensable. It's one of a kind. But we will talk to him about what exactly is going to be the part of this indictment that's meaty, that may lead to some guilty verdicts and some sentencing. Of course, there's a lot of people on our side that are the glass-is-half-empty type of activists that say, well, Trump has gone after other enemies, including James Comey and Michael Bolton and— Michael Cohen.

[00:09:11] You know, they never did swing. And so it's going to be similar with the SPLC. There's going to be some headlines, but nothing's really going to happen. I do think—I think if nothing else, I mean, Heidi is being able to enjoy the process that she has inflicted on so many others. And also, the SPLC's credibility, you know, as it was always nothing compared to people who knew the truth, I think as an organization, even in their own ranks, they are being very much frowned upon now just because of all of the bad press.

[00:09:41] But we'll get Glenn's take on that. I guess at the end of the day, Keith, it just comes down to what everybody knows. Everybody who wakes up, you know, commits 50 felonies before lunch, you know, and that the old saying, you know, something along those lines, you know, you can always get pinned on something if, you know, you get the right or the wrong venue and they come after you. And I think the only difference now is with regard to was the SPLC breaking the law then or were they breaking the law now or did they ever or have they always?

[00:10:10] It's just a matter of who's in power and who isn't. And right now there's a chance they—you know, there may be some repercussions because of who's in power, but the fact that they engage in this behavior for all time is not in question. Well, the hallmark of a corrupt prosecution is a prosecutor who says, show me the person and I'll show you the crime, not show me the crime and I'll find the person that is responsible for it. Yeah, there you go. There you go. That's Stalin. Yeah, that's Stalinist. So, you know, I guess that's what we're going to have to find out in this,

[00:10:40] but it will be interesting to find out who comes out of the woodwork to try to support and provide a legal defense for Heidi Pater. All right. One of the people that have suffered as a result of the SPLC and Heidi Byrick personally is the esteemed, the venerable, the incomparable Dr. Kevin McDonald. He'll be up next and then Glenn Allen. Stay tuned. Find your inner rebel at Dixie Republic, the world's largest Confederate store,

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[00:13:27] Actions and the harm that the SPLC and Heidi Byrick, namely, but others, Mark Potok, Morris Dees, all of the people there. Usual suspects, as they say. The harm that they have done to so many people for engaging in... Witch hunts. Free expression. I mean, yeah, they were engaging in witch hunts. The victims were engaging in... Freedom of association and freedom of expression. Free expression.

[00:13:55] Again, the Free expression foundation by Glenn Allen, aptly named. But they did it to not only our friends that will be appearing this hour, but also to one of the great gentlewomen that I've ever met, the great Virginia Abernathy. The first person, really, that I ever met through this movement going back to the Buchanan campaign. I mean, they did the same thing to her at Vanderbilt. You know, just people tortured for engaging in independent thinking.

[00:14:22] And I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that what they were inflicting upon these people in not trying to bring to light the difference of opinion and having some sort of healthy debate about it, but to ruin them, to have them cast out of their positions, to economically devastate them. That is a form of social and economic terrorism because you are not there to just shine a light on the areas of disagreement and have a discussion.

[00:14:49] You are there to ruin their lives and their ability to maintain their positions. That is a totally separate thing. Well, some people are much more vulnerable to that type of coercion and that type of blackmail than others. If you're a professor like Virginia Abernathy at a prestigious school like Vanderbilt, as she was, then, you know, you can't just replace that, replicate that.

[00:15:15] And even if you have tenure, as Kevin McDonald will tell you later on, that's no protection against them. They will try to amount so much pressure among the faculty and the administration that you resign, you know, possibly being threatened with other punitive measures besides firing. That's one thing. But then, on the other hand, that's why it's important, if you're going to be in this movement,

[00:15:43] that you be what I call a freebooter, somebody that basically makes their money and is not part of a large organization. You could be an accountant. You could be a lawyer. You could be a doctor. There are all sorts of things that you could do. But, of course, groups like the SPLC even then try to get your license taken away. So, quite frankly, whatever happens to Heidi Byrick out of this, if there is any punitive action, you can look at it as karma.

[00:16:11] She is now experiencing what she inflicted upon other people through the SPLC for decades. And it's, you know, high time not only that it's been ended, but it's important that that type of behavior be punished because it is an effort to do what, you know, the Civil Rights Act prohibited,

[00:16:39] which is they're trying to punish people for exercising their civil rights. Well, we're having trouble reaching Kevin tonight, and we will get Glenn in just a moment. But in any event, Kevin had put something up at the Occidental Observer, and that was this statement that Heidi Byerick had made the last eight years at California State University,

[00:17:06] Long Beach, miserable by coming onto campus. He flew from Montgomery, Alabama, where the SPLC is headquartered, all the way out to Long Beach, California, appeared on campus to, as he put it, rile up the faculty by making them aware that there was a racist and an anti-Semite in their midst. This resulted in numerous battles on the faculty email list.

[00:17:31] And, of course, Kevin has written about this in a very forthcoming way at the Occidental Observer over the years in several different articles. So, you know, he can't say that he's unhappy about her arrest. And at the very least, it will lead to some very large legal expenses that she has inflicted on so many other honest and innocent people. Lawfare against the left on the face of it, you know, giving the SPLC money to her living boyfriend would indeed seem worthy of some financial malfeasance. Well, it's karma. You know, what goes around comes around.

[00:18:01] And be careful what you wish for. Your dream may come true, Heidi. This is what you've done to other people. How does it feel? As Bob Dylan said, you know, this is what you need to understand that things go both ways. You know, solve both ways. And if you are an advocate for white people or an advocate for conservatism or an advocate for anything that has been wildly unpopular

[00:18:29] ever since the advent of the civil rights movement in the mid-50s in America, they consider your destruction as a functioning member of society, a person that can earn a living, raise a family, own a home, run a business. That's what they're after. They want to ruin people. They want to put Soviet-style pressure on people so that they can control their thought and their expressions.

[00:19:00] And, you know, they did a pretty good job of that until the advent of the Internet. With the advent of the Internet, those ideas got to be expressed where people could access them. And guess what? A lot of people said, you know, I believe in what Virginia Abernathy or Kevin MacDonald is saying, not what Heidi Byrick and the Southern Poverty Law Center is saying.

[00:19:21] And as a result, the Southern Poverty Law Center went into a spiral, okay, you know, a death spiral, basically. Morris Dees started it out as some type of civil rights organization. Well, they ran out of targets. So they started making targets, at least that's the government's assertion, so that they could justify their exorbitant salaries and incomes from their donor base.

[00:19:50] And that's exactly why Heidi Byrick is being prosecuted. Now, you know, we'll wait and see what the proof is. Unlike the left, we think people are innocent until proven guilty. But on the other hand, based on the experience that we have observed about the Southern Poverty Law Center, I think there's plenty of grist for the mill, James. We have suffered, of course, as a result of them as well.

[00:20:19] When we first went on the air, they would call every sponsor. They riled up all of the local media against us to get us thrown off the air at all. We were able to overcome it all. But, no, these people are very bad people, you know, to say the least. And it is an evil organization. All the way down to their very architecture. You know, if you've ever seen the SPLC building, it is this brutalist piece. It looks like the Death Star from Star Wars. I mean, there is just an evil that permeates through the very structure of their own facility.

[00:20:48] And, of course, in their countenances and in the fruit that they bear and everything else that they've been associated with for all these years. So, I don't know if this was some sort of a concession for the Iran War or anything like that. Because it certainly doesn't necessarily make up for it. But this is something that you wouldn't have gotten from any other administration. Because certainly we hadn't gotten it by now. We are going to go ahead and bring on the esteemed Glenn Allen.

[00:21:17] Glenn, we will give him a more comprehensive introduction at the start of the next segment. But we will go ahead and say hello to him now and introduce him briefly so we can get him settled in. And he will be with us for the remainder of the hour. Glenn, a longtime friend and a great hero and champion of our cause for free expression. He is the founder and the chief legal officer of the aforementioned Free Expression Foundation. And he joins us from the East Coast right now. Glenn, welcome back. How are you? Hey, Brother James.

[00:21:47] I'm well. I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you and everyone else. Well, Glenn, it's always so good to talk to you and always good to have a reason to plug the work of the Free Expression Foundation and let people know how they can support your group there, your legal foundation, and what you do and how they can help. And we will certainly get to that. But before we give you a more detailed introduction, just catch us up in your opinion on the latest evolution of this story involving the SPLC indictment,

[00:22:16] which you were on to talk about some months ago. Do they have the goods honored? Let us know. Progressing to the arrest of Heidi Byrick. Well, this is the second superseding indictment, and I believe there will be more. I have it from good sources that they are still interviewing people, and I think they haven't reached the point where they want to proceed with a final indictment.

[00:22:39] So there's still more to come, but it was gratifying to see that they arrested Heidi Byrick. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving person, but I did see she got out on personal reconnaissance. I was hoping she could spend a little time behind bars. But, yeah, I'm not 100% on board on the way they structured their indictment,

[00:23:08] but it's certainly a lot better than anything else that has happened from the government with regard to the SBLC. Well, they say turnabout is fair play, right? Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah, I guess evil can't go on forever. I really despise what the SBLC has become, as you know what I do. Heidi Byrick seems like such a hate-filled person to me. Oh, she's a lovely lady.

[00:23:38] Well, I mean, again, Glenn, you actually, more than so many others in our ranks who have suffered, may have actually been involved in the very indictment with regard. Now, I don't know that for certain, and perhaps you may not either, but I'm looking at these stolen documents, these allegedly stolen documents, and how they may have been used, and it doesn't take a lot of connecting of the dots to say that this may have been something that impacted you when you were still in the city of Baltimore's law department,

[00:24:07] which is something that you've written about very openly and something that you have filed a countersuit about in court. And I'm just wondering, and we're about to take a break, I appreciate you slipping in here before the end of this segment so we could plug very quickly the FreeExpressionFoundation.org. That website is FreeExpressionFoundation.org. FreeExpressionFoundation.org. But we're going to talk to Glenn so much more about this,

[00:24:34] and if there are some technical aspects of this case that may make it stick, or if it's just some saccharine to rile up the face. Or if it's sound and fury. We'll find out. FreeExpressionFoundation.org. Familiarize yourself there. We'll be back with its head man next. Protecting your liberties. You're listening to Liberty News Radio. News this hour from Town Hall. I'm Mary Rose.

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[00:30:08] I don't throw around adjectives like esteemed. Not everybody is esteemed. Some people are just steamed up. Glenn Allen is esteemed, and he graduated near the top of his class from the University of Maryland School of Law, where he served as the executive editor of the Maryland Law Review. After a clerkship with the chief judge Robert C. Murphy of the Court of Appeals of Maryland, Glenn joined the litigation section of Piper and Marbury, which is now DLA Piper, where he remained until his retirement in January of 2016.

[00:30:38] Now, following his retirement from DLA Piper, Glenn went to work, and if anybody, by the way, is in the legal field, you know how elite DLA Piper is. Glenn went to work for the city of Baltimore's legal department. Now, while working there quietly and competently, in August of 2016, the Southern Property Law Center orchestrated his firing. He later brought a lawsuit, unfortunately unsuccessful, against the SPLC,

[00:31:03] in which he made a case that the SPLC is a fraudulent, hard-left fundraising operation masquerading as a civil rights organization. A lot of people recognize that now, but in 2016, it was still a revelation. Glenn's victimization by the SPLC, together with his longstanding concern for America's endangered First Amendment freedoms, led him to create the Free Expression Foundation, incorporated as a 501c3 nonprofit in 2018.

[00:31:29] In his view, a wide swath of legitimate, if controversial, political and social expression is being actively suppressed and even persecuted by the big tech and the big media cancel culture that unfortunately has gained massive power in this country. The Free Expression Foundation was created to push back against this despotism and provide support and solace for its victims. Again, that website is FreeExpressionFoundation.org.

[00:31:57] And Glenn has just a delight to have known you for all these years, Glenn. You and your incredible wife, Ina, and everything you do. Everything you do. He's a participant in the Senior Olympics. He's won medals in various track and field events. He composes poetry. He's written a novel and a novella. He's an all-around Renaissance man. And Glenn, I think it's important to set that stage for you to just emphasize your prestige.

[00:32:24] And again, the allegations of these stolen documents, do you believe that you are directly involved in this indictment against the SPLC? And if so, where does it go from here for you and, well, this whole story? Yeah. No, those are good questions, James. I have it on good sources. I won't disclose them, but the FBI has been reading my complaint quite thoroughly,

[00:32:49] and it has been very useful to them in mapping out the superseding indictment. Yeah. Again, I got word that something like, you got it right, Mr. Allen. And I did. I mean, my allegations were right on. I mean, I surmised that the SPLC was doing this not only to me, that they were not only bribing employees to get confidential information as to me,

[00:33:19] but they were doing it as to others. And that is certainly what the indictment said. But I also alleged that they were improperly using their funds and that they were infiltrating numerous organizations. And that has turned out to be true. So, yeah, I think my complaint has been read with great interest by the FBI. Where does it go from here? Well, James, I wish I could tell you it's an easy thing to revive my lawsuit.

[00:33:50] It was dismissed. Judge, federal judge, Blake, dismissed it on the grounds. It was implausible, if you can believe that. Now, listen, folks, let me just, Glenn, pardon this interruption, because you are my better. But I just have to make this interjection for a point of emphasis. Everything that you alleged has actually turned out to be, well, true, at least according to this indictment,

[00:34:14] but it was called implausible to believe that they were paying informants to steal documents, that they were doing all of the things that now that you're committed leftists, like I'm sure that judge was, it is implausible from his mindset, probably. Well, now that it has been proven more than plausible, at least according to the Department of Justice, there's no resuscitation of that in any way, if you would even want to do that? Oh, I want to very much, and I haven't given up. I will tell you that legally, and Keith would know this perhaps,

[00:34:43] it's difficult once a suit has reached its closure, they've closed the case. You're given one year to reopen it based on newly discovered evidence, but my case was closed in late 2019, I think, so it's been well over one year. There is, however, another way to reopen a lawsuit, and that's based on, quote, fraud on the court. And I can tell you I'm giving serious thought to reopening it on that grounds,

[00:35:10] on the grounds that the SPLC, which parenthetically is a law firm, and it's subject to ethical obligations, had represented to the judge who accepted it that they had no, they weren't doing these things, that they had no connection to Randolph Dilloway, who I identified. And that was untrue at the time, so they had defrauded the court. And so that's the theory I'm going to pursue,

[00:35:35] and I can assure you that if there's any possibility that I can get that filed, I will do so. I need to wait to find out who some of these field agents are. I really need some more disclosures. I understand. I don't see how they can possibly proceed with this criminal trial without identifying these people, so I'm sort of waiting for the dust to settle so I can figure out who some of these Fs are. They call them Fs, field agents.

[00:36:05] Yeah, that's right, exactly. But once that's done, I think I'm going to do my best to reopen a lawsuit or maybe figure out a way to file another one. So, yeah. Well, Glenn, this is Keith. Glenn's a fighter, I will tell you that. Well, you know, you can fight, but on the other hand, you're playing against a stacked deck, unfortunately, with a lot of these leftist judges that have been appointed by Democrats,

[00:36:32] you know, these foreigners that basically don't understand our culture, don't care to understand our culture, don't care to be restrained in any way. You know, it's just like Trump can't do anything without finding some district court judge somewhere appointed by some Democrat who is going to step in and find what he's done worthy of an injunction.

[00:37:00] You know, that's just an indicator of how corrupted and compromised our legal system is. If you don't have good judges that really understand the law and have an inner compass about staying impartial until the presentation of all the evidence, you know, it's a, you know, our whole judicial system is basically a fraud on the people. What do you think?

[00:37:29] Well, I hear what you're saying, Keith. I do believe there are exceptions. I know you guys probably, we talked about my experience in litigating the Rise Above Movement cases out in California several years ago, and there was a judge, Cormac Carney, who struck down the anti-riot statute. He didn't have any ideological sympathies for the Ram people, but he did his job. He called balls and strikes, and, yeah,

[00:37:58] and recently we've had a little success down in Georgia, a state court judge throughout the- That's a big success. I would not be false. You know, Glenn, good men are oftentimes modest in their accomplishments. What the Free Expression Foundation did there in Georgia was truly remarkable, and I think you should take a victory lap for that. Well, you know, I've practiced law for about 50 years, and I can tell you that there has been a marked decline in the quality of people on the bench from when I first started practicing.

[00:38:28] I don't know how long you've been practicing, and I don't know what the situation is in the venues in which you practice, but I think it's a systemic problem basically now, particularly in the federal system. Well, I mean, Glenn would- I don't want to speak for him, but, I mean, yes, we know that there's a problem in the courts and legislation from the bench and all of this, and my trivial case compared to all of these other things that Glenn has been dealing with is, you know,

[00:38:56] just an indication of it back that libel lawsuit in Michigan some years ago. But, well, Glenn, let me- before we fast forward to what the Free Expression Foundation is doing and some of the other cases and victories that you've had a hand in authoring, just one more thing on the SPLC, and that would be, you know, certainly their star had been waning, and their- the way in which they had been perceived by the general public

[00:39:21] and even in the media had changed from the time that I first came on the scene with this radio program in the mid-2000s. You know, about 10 years ago, I mean, you started to get a lot more negative press about them. You started to get the allegations of sexism and even racism, if you can believe it, and, you know, there was some turnover there, and then, of course, you had, I think, half of the state attorney- attorneys general throughout the country had denounced them, and so, you know,

[00:39:51] do you think that this, though, will be- whatever happens in court, whether or not there are sentences and punishments, do you think that this is the end of the SPLC as- in terms of- As an effective operation. Yeah, I guess that's what I'm looking for. I don't know. I have a theory, by the way, that this is a little bit of a detour, but I- some of the facts alleged in the indictment seem to me- I honestly don't know who many of these field agents are,

[00:40:21] and I find it kind of implausible that Heidi had a love affair with that. Don't put anything bad, Heidi. Well, I mean, for the right money, I mean, you know- I'm not saying I'm not us, but- That's probably the only way she could find a partner is she paid him. All right, all right, none of that. Okay. But- but my- I guess my point is I- I don't know where they got this information, and I know there are some others who are scratching their heads saying, well,

[00:40:51] some of this stuff just seems so implausible. But anyway, that's why I've been asking myself, who's provided this information to the SBLC? And this is just a theory now. But you know that the SBLC was in bed, so to speak, was allied with the FBI for a long, long time. And in fact, I have a paragraph in my complaint saying that the SBLC has been beating the FBI. And you know- He didn't know it.

[00:41:20] He thought that was a metaphorical term, but not a real term. That's right. But I think- I think- I think what may have happened is I think some of these- some of the information that the FBI is using for this indictment, they got- they had all along under the Biden administration and the Obama administration. They were glad to work with the SBLC,

[00:41:49] and they were glad- maybe these guys were also federal informants. I don't know. But as soon as Trump came in, you know, things happened, things changed, and they had all this information. That's what I think. That's where I think the government got its information for its indictment. I don't know, though. I mean, maybe they have some other source. But- Well, it's like that song from the 50s, Glenn, What a Difference a Day Makes. You get a change of administration. Yeah, I mean, you have to be-

[00:42:19] and you have to be honest about that. I mean, we can talk about the deficiencies of the Trump administration and what concerns we have and what disappointments we have, but we also have to give credit in this case that this is not- however it- It would never have happened under Biden. However it lands is, it's not been good for the SBLC. It certainly hasn't been good for Bayer. However it lands. Well, in domestic policy, you know, people need to realize that we would never have this indictment had it not been for Trump. Now, here's where I want to pivot,

[00:42:47] and I think this is very important, Glenn, this pivot here that we're about to engage. First of all, again, the allegation of stolen documents, the so-called evidence that they used to get you fired from the city of Baltimore could have only come from those stolen documents, so I think that there is a direct correlation there, and you're a big part of this story, perhaps even bigger than anybody fully realizes, and the subsequent indictment and everything we're talking about tonight.

[00:43:18] But, as fate would have it, this did occur in your life, and out of that came the Free Expression Foundation. And you formed the Free Expression Foundation in the aftermath of your departure from the city of Baltimore, and you are, of course, at once, the founder, chairman of the board, president, and chief legal officer of the Free Expression Foundation, Inc. That, again, is freeexpressionfoundation.org.

[00:43:48] So, from this discontent came something that has risen like a phoenix to be just an incredible asset for good. So, let's talk a little bit more now about your work with the Free Expression Foundation and some of the cases you've taken on and some of the things you're actively working on, and you take all the time you need to develop that. Sure. No, I appreciate that. No, it's true. It's true.

[00:44:15] I felt, I mean, I had some pretty dark moments when I got Heidi's team on. She had a whole network. I think I've mentioned this before, but when she got me fired, I was in the news in major newspapers all around the country. And even in England, I was, she had, so yeah, I had some pretty dark moments. But yeah, but I did ask myself, you know, I mean, I'm an attorney.

[00:44:45] I need to fight back. Somebody who's not an attorney wouldn't have that option. So, you're right. It wouldn't exist. I might still be working for the city of Baltimore, which is an odd thing to think of right now. Well, that would have been a credit for the city of Baltimore. They would have been better off, but the cause wouldn't be. Yeah, that's true. But you're right. I think when I went through Nitro Vales, more than one person, when I tell them the situation,

[00:45:15] I could see their eyes kind of glazing like, but you know, the SPLC is a reputable organization. As though, I'd say, well, not really. It's really a fraudulent scam. You must live in blue state America. But, you know, you say that today and a lot of people say, yeah, yeah, gosh, you may be right, you know. I do think their ability to do what they've done is greatly diminished. I don't know if they're going to go out of business. I mean, they have $700 million, right?

[00:45:44] You can do a lot with $700 million. Well, what they have, they've traded on the supposedly sacred and magical term, the Civil Rights Movement, for their entire existence. And people, you know, one of our missions in this show is to disabuse people of the notion that somehow the Civil Rights Movement was a righteous and holy enterprise. It wasn't at all. But... Well, I think also, yeah, I mean, to your point, Glenn,

[00:46:14] it's going to take a lot of time to bleed out three quarters of a billion dollars which they have amassed with this grift, which began with a direct mail scan by Morris Dees. I mean, and they built all of this. And so it will take... They're like a bloated tick. And I think that that's an absolute... I think that's absolutely an accurate analogy. But whatever happens is this has not been good for them. But let's talk about what the big takeaway is right now for this final segment. And that is the work

[00:46:43] of the Free Expression Foundation. What are you doing there? What are you working on? What will you be working on? What have you accomplished? Sure. Well, I guess you're familiar with the litigation regarding the Jacobs and Michael Weaver, who were distributing pamphlets that were critical of Jewish power. And they had every right to distribute pamphlets. That's a longstanding protected First Amendment activity by Supreme Court presidents.

[00:47:11] And Douglas County had a different view of the sheriff's office and arrested them, put the Jacobs in jail for five days while they had to get $30,000 in bail, something like that for these. And Mr. Weaver decided he could see the handwriting on the wall and he left for some other state. I don't know where he is. And nobody would take that case, of course, except us. But we, Randy Shepard and I and Fred Kelly,

[00:47:42] we filed a complaint and we pursued it. The federal court decided to send it over to the state court because it felt the state court should first decide whether there was a legitimate littering, which I think was a very weak premise because there really wasn't any littering. I mean, there's no more littering than putting out political pamphlets of any other kind. But anyway, the case got put on hold while the state decided and it took a while.

[00:48:10] But yeah, Randy Shepard was the primary author of the motion to quash down in Georgia. And yeah, it was granted about a month ago. And if it's not appealed and we'll find out next week, then we're going to go back to federal court and try to pursue our 1983 claim and try to get some money and some attorney fees as these guys deserve a little bit of recompense for what they've been through. That's one thing. Randy's an old friend of ours, by the way.

[00:48:40] Oh, Randy Shepard. Yeah. Fighting Fred Kelly. I mean, now we're all in this company together, but Glenn has brought them together for the greater good as an array or constellation for legal advancement. And in this victory, Glenn, in court, would not have happened without the Free Expression Foundation. This is just one win that wouldn't have happened. Keith? That is true. Nobody would have taken this case and we wouldn't have. There would have been no good game. Well, we're late to the game on the right, quite frankly.

[00:49:10] The left has been using lawfare since the end of World War II in like Sweat versus Painter, Shelley versus Kramer, Brown versus Board of Education. And it's high time that we turn the tables on them and my hat's off to you. I'm glad that you have picked up the mantle and the key to your point is, you know, in theory, that's all well and good. But what does it take, Glenn, to keep the motor running, to keep all of this thing well oiled? It takes money. It takes support. And you are a 501c3.

[00:49:40] And for you to be able to invest your time and effort and still survive and generate those victories, what do you need? Yeah, we need funding. We need funding. Well, we need a couple things, one of which is coming my way, which is smart young lawyers. Keith will know there aren't that many lawyers who are willing to take these kind of cases. But there are, to my gratification,

[00:50:09] many young law students who have reached out to me. And I've had wonderful interns and another couple of young lawyers who are really sharp, really dedicated. So we need good legal minds, good young ones, and we're getting them. They're coming our way. But they have families. They have lives to live. I can't ask them to live a penurious life such as I have. Well, I don't pay myself a great deal. But I can't do that for them. So yeah,

[00:50:37] I do need wealthy benefactors to step up. Look, I mean, here's the, I'll say it for Glenn. An organization that is providing, what is the old saying that you give yourself job security by making yourself indispensable. We have an indispensable organization here. Nobody else is doing this. The Free Expression Foundation, freeexpressionfoundation.org. If you ever need an attorney and you're a dissident, you're probably going to be looking to these people. Well, guess what they need

[00:51:07] in order to do the work at a professional level and at a level that might help you get a victory? They got to be able to survive. I mean, it's pretty much common sense. And as Glenn said, I mean, especially the younger lawyers that are coming and helping and aiding in the work of this foundation, you can't work for free. You can't starve yourself to death and provide soldiers as good as the... And the people that get prosecuted are typically penniless, okay? That's the people that have approached me

[00:51:36] and everyone else. So we have to do like the left and have institutional organizations that provide the necessary funds. And the left never wants for funding all of our organizations that are producing crude. The black people and the civil rights movement didn't have the money to hire the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and groups like that. But they got the money and we need to duplicate that on our side. A soldier is as good as the last drop of water in his canteen. I can go on all day. Glenn, you've got a minute left

[00:52:06] and thank you so much, brother, for being back with us tonight to talk about this interesting development in the SBLC case, which is ostensibly what you're here for. You were back on with us, let's see, back on the program of April 25th along with fellow attorneys Sam Dixon and Augustus Invictus. We were all talking about the initial indictment. We're talking about now the further development of this case, including the arrest of Heidi Vyrick, but also plugging the work of the Free Expression Foundation. FreeExpressionFoundation.org with a minute remaining. What is the purpose of the organization?

[00:52:36] How can people support it? Yeah. As I said, I do want to hear about their cases. I mean, I'm here to listen. Sometimes I can't help, but I'm certainly here to listen sympathetically. And sometimes attorneys don't even do that. I've often heard stories that they are sent to an attorney and his heart isn't in it, but our heart is in it to help dissidents. But insofar as, you know, they have means to support organizations.

[00:53:06] I promise it would be honestly and effectively used. And I think we've got some momentum, James. We're moving ahead. We've got some interesting other cases. I'll come on another time. I've got three or four other cases that I'm sure you'll be interested in. You know what, Glenn? I think we should go ahead and do that. I'll be seeing you soon. And we should plan a date to talk just about the other work of the Free Expression Foundation. I mean, tonight, of course, with Heidi Byrick being in the news recently, this being a national news story, and you being,

[00:53:36] at the very least, tangentially involved in it, if not directly. We wanted to talk about that with you while also plugging in this. But when you come back, let's talk exclusively about some of the other work that the Free Expression Foundation is advancing. And we want to give a shout-out to a mutual friend, Steve, in California, who has been a generous contributor to your organization as well as some others in our ranks. And we won't go any further than that. But if he's tuned in tonight and I have it on authority that he may be,

[00:54:06] we want to certainly acknowledge that. And everyone else who is advancing the good fight and good people who are producing good food. Well, the whole secret is how do we make ourselves attractive to Jewish power and influence? I don't know how to do that. Well, that's not going to happen. And so we're going to have to look for other forms of sustenance. Where are Yarmulke? No, we're not going to do that either. All right, Glenn, listen, thank you so much for your friendship

[00:54:36] and certainly for your courage and for setting an example for the rest of us to follow and for producing wins for the good guys. FreeExpressionFoundation.org, the great Glenn Allen. We'll be back with the second hour next. Thank you. Thank you.