Radio Show Hour 1 – 2026/07/18

[00:00:01] You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is The Political Cesspool. The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program. And here to guide you through the murky waters of The Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.

[00:00:31] Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to have a lot of fun tonight. Don't miss it when filmmaker Uwe Boll joins me in the second hour for an exclusive interview about his new movie, Citizen Vigilante. This movie has become a summer hit. It's been generating massive worldwide news coverage since its release last month, assisted by Elon Musk and others.

[00:00:54] So tune in and stay tuned to hear what's going on with this movie from the man who wrote and directed the film itself. That's coming up in the second hour. But first, right now, it's been a wild few days in American politics. Lindsey Graham is dead. Mitch McConnell might be. Graham Plattner is out in the main Senate. Might as well be. And Tucker Carlson is threatening to build a third party. Now, if you've got that much action taking place, there's only one man we could bring on to sort it all out.

[00:01:24] And it's none other than the great Lou Moore, of course, the former congressional chief of staff for so many years in D.C., Ron Paul's presidential campaign manager and our go to guy. The man that can make sense out of nonsense. And he's going to help us do it right now. The host of the hour of decision. Lou, welcome back. Well, thank you. Thanks for having me. You are one of two people that I have just not been able to keep off the air this year. And for great reason.

[00:01:51] You, for so many reasons, and Patrick Martin on issues pertaining to the Middle East and Iran especially. I guess I'm so eager to have you on. I haven't even announced that I'm James Edwards, along with Keith Alexander. And again, welcome to the Saturday, July 18th program. But let's start with Lindsey Graham. Lou, that caught everybody off guard, I guess. Your take on his death and then what it means with what? His sisters now are bona fide, qualified senator. Go, Lou, and give us a first shot at that.

[00:02:21] Yeah, well, Trump seems to think she's a bona fide senator because they arm twisted the governor to give her the temporary appointment until the election or until January. But Trump is now put out on true social. He wants her to be the senator for the next six years. A woman who's a social worker that we know nothing about. But, you know, I smell that. She'd be overqualified if she were a Democrat candidate.

[00:02:50] I mean, but seriously, though. That might be true. Lou, this is clownish. I mean, if she can be it, then it's what Keith was saying prior to the show. All they want is somebody who's going to vote like they tell them to. And that may be all there is to it. But if she's qualified to be a United States senator, who isn't? She's the sister of a guy who was a senator. That's it. Yeah.

[00:03:11] Well, I kind of smell, James, the possibility that Chris LaCivita, an evil figure who was the consultant that took out Thomas Massey, who was the consultant that spent $100 million of Republican donations trying to prop up John Cornyn unsuccessfully in Texas. He was Lindsay's consultant. And he's just going to give himself a few more paydays here with this thing. Yeah. And I really do think that's part of it.

[00:03:41] The other thing is this allows Trump to not get involved with picking one of the other candidates that looks like that will step forward. We don't know until Tuesday. No one has to really put their name on the dotted line until Tuesday. And then they have one week from then. And then they cut it off. And then whoever is on the list is running over, like, three weeks. I mean, it's crazy. I know you've got some inside information, Lou.

[00:04:09] Who do you suspect is on the short list? Well, I think, I mean, Mark Lynch has said he's going to run. He still has cash on hand. He was the fellow that Graham defeated. It was a big disappointment in the MAGA world because he did so poorly against Lindsay. But, of course, Lindsay ran with the Trump endorsement, with LaCivita, with, you know, I heard $50 million. I really didn't double check that. But they spent a ton of money in that primary.

[00:04:38] And Lynch didn't do so hot. He got about 29%. But he's going to give it another shot. He's got a couple million on hand. And plus, he's wealthy. He can put more money into the campaign. Nancy Mace has been polling. You know, her fame right now, in Trump's mind, is the fact she was with Massey on releasing the Epstein files.

[00:05:01] Ralph Norman, who's a congressman there, a budget hawk, and was one of the leaders that took out McCarthy when McCarthy was Speaker of the House. He signaled he may run. But I don't see him as being a major factor. Some people are looking at the lieutenant governor that just lost out in the governor's primary, Pamela Yvette. But I think it's probably going to be Lynch.

[00:05:25] And then we don't have a firm signal from Graham's sister if she is actually going to pursue the six-year seat. But anyway, so all this is for the nomination for the full six years. And the governor has appointed her, of course, to be the incumbent from now until January. So, you know, we'll have to see. But Trump is just, guys, he is killing the base.

[00:05:55] He's killing the activists with this stuff because they're on the ceiling that he would even consider just propping this woman up for six years in this seat. But that's kind of what we're looking at right now. It's unbelievable. It really is. And I mean, the whole thing is really just unbelievable.

[00:06:13] For political animals like us, Lou, the fact that you have this entrenched evil incumbent who dies just weeks before he would have taken another six-year term, Lindsey Graham. And then it just turns this whole thing upside down on its head in South Carolina, which is a state near and dear to our hearts. And you've got the sister. At first, she's just going to hold the seat until the election this fall. Now they're saying, why not just take it forever?

[00:06:43] And then just the whole expedited timeline where you've got this thing now wide open, basically, for anybody who wants to jump in and run a one-month campaign because whoever wins the primary is going to win the Senate seat almost certainly. So what about Nikki Haley? Is she considering it? I hope not. I think pretty much not.

[00:07:06] And I think this is one of the reasons that Graham's sister probably has a lot of pizzazz with the neocons and with Senator Thune and the folks back in D.C. because she's not really viable and doesn't seem to be interested. Some people have floated Trey Gowdy, if you remember him. I remember him. Former congressman who's a Fox News fixture, another complete and total neocon, a complete rhino, a zero in my book.

[00:07:36] But he doesn't seem to want to give up the big perch and the chauffeured cars and everything they have for the Fox News post. So, you know, this is the alternative that I think in their minds works. Lindsey had a couple million dollars cash on hand. You can bet every penny of that will be routed into this effort if this goes forward, if she does put her name forward Tuesday. So we'll have to see.

[00:08:04] But it looks like she's going to be the neocon and the Trump candidate, a pattern that is very disturbing across the country. And then there'll be Lynch. It's a great opportunity for one of our people to move forward and take something. They're just falling into the lab. But you're going to solidify it with either his sister or someone as bad or worse. It's just unbelievable. Where's Jesse Helms when you need him?

[00:08:32] What about – I just got to ask you this quick – we'll do 30 seconds on this. By the way, if people are concerned about how to react in the wake of Lindsey Graham's death, the book of Proverbs has instructions for us on that. When the wicked perish, the righteous should rejoice. And that's certainly the way I took the news when I found out about it. And so no shame on you for that.

[00:08:57] If you see this as a good thing, the only bad that could come from it is if you fill it with another Lindsey Graham. The world is probably a safer place. More people will probably be safer with him being unshackled from his mortal coil. But do you think that he died from a heart attack? Luke, I just got to ask that. I mean, you can't help but say that. I would say probably, but the timing is circumstance. Why would the Ukrainians want to kill him when he basically gives them right checks? Well, I don't think anybody thinks the Ukrainians killed him. But anyway.

[00:09:26] You know, it's hard to say because of international intrigue, because Russia is becoming increasingly more desperate, because Lindsey, according to some sources, had a few bad personal habits that took him to the Ukraine, as well as his love for Zelensky and all that over there. And so, you know, I don't know how much you guys follow this, but Larry Johnson, ex-CIA guy, very good contact at the Pentagon and the intelligence community.

[00:09:54] He claims that he died in Ukraine, that they rushed him, medevac, plane, and then set him up to have the hospital thing. I don't know anything, you know. No, we don't. No, you don't. Who knows? Nobody does. Nobody does. But, I mean, you can't help but what – I mean, I don't try to find conspiracies in every story like some of our fellow travelers are wont to do. But when a sitting senator – They're fun. They're fun. No, they're fun. He lands at 6 p.m. James, I like a good conspiracy. I like a good conspiracy as much as any right-winger.

[00:10:24] So, you know. No, I love them. I love them. They're great. But I just – you know, I don't try to find one everywhere. But, I mean, when you have a sitting – He definitely has a checkered past, as they say. A sitting United States senator, the official story and the official timeline is he landed at home from this trip to – I'll still call it Kiev. He lands at home at 6 p.m. Eastern. And he promptly calls the president to let him know he made it back. And then at 80s dead. I mean, that just – I mean, you know, it could have happened. I mean, people have heart attacks. But that is a little suspicious.

[00:10:53] But what I'm more interested in is this, you know, suddenly wide-open Senate race with Congress – the Republican hold on Congress being so tenuous. And now it's wide open and very – going to be very much an expedited campaign, to say the least. Now, speaking of another sitting senator who may or may not be dead, what's going on with Mitch McConnell? I mean, do you think that this is a weird story? It's talking about conspiracies.

[00:11:16] I mean, I would say if I had to – if you put a gun to my head, I would say Lindsay died of a heart attack and Mitch McConnell's also dead. I mean, what is going on with that? Seriously. Well, I don't know. They propped him up pretty well, James. Hold on, Keith. Go ahead, Luke. No, you go ahead. They propped him up pretty well with that photo with him and his Chinese communist agent wife, Elaine Chao, there. And that is not a conspiracy theory.

[00:11:46] But, yeah, I mean, I tend to – I have to say – believe what they're saying. They're saying he's now actually been transferred to a rehab facility from the hospital.

[00:11:57] And the weirdness here is a little bit hard to put your finger on, but one part of it is the legislature, out of spite, changed the succession rules to take the power away from the governor of Kentucky, who is a Democrat, who wants to be president in 2028. He is planning to run – he's already raising money to run for president in 2028, Andy Beshears.

[00:12:24] And so they've taken away his ability to name somebody, but he does get to name the time and place of the election. It's very weird, the new system that they have there. I've never heard of anything like it, but it's basically a 60-day clock that he starts for succession. And the law does not say when he has to start it.

[00:12:49] And so he suddenly would have, as far as timing, you know, with the Senate, the precarious voting numbers. The Republicans have the majority, but do they really? When a couple of them have their nose out of joint that are there, you know, Murakowski, Attilas. And, of course, McConnell has been on that list, too. So it's very weird, and I can't really explain all this intrigue, but it does seem like that he's still with us. I mean, in my opinion.

[00:13:18] Maybe I'm wrong, but people are saying nasty. He probably is. It's just a funny – just a weird story. Well, let me ask you. Yeah, it's very weird. Lou, did Mrs. McConnell, the secret Asian lady, not the secret Asian man, actually make a trip to China to consult with the Chinese government recently? She went to China. No, no, no, no. She went. Yeah.

[00:13:45] So it's either he's going to die, so what are my instructions, or else he didn't really hurt himself that bad, and I had a business trip. Maybe he wants to get appointed just like a Lindsay sister. Yeah. She could be the next senator now. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, Mitch is certainly not long for this world, and he's stepping down anyway. But, I mean, this whole Internet sensation about that he's already dead, and they're trying to Photoshop this picture.

[00:14:15] Yeah, he's probably alive. But, I mean, it is weird. But Lindsey Graham is certainly not. And let's talk about one more thing since we're talking about Senate campaigns and the ever-changing and volatility-changing landscape in some of these races. The one up in Maine.

[00:14:30] Now, this didn't concern one of our guys or anybody that was championing our interest, but Graham Plattner was this guy with this colorful past who looked to be on his way to securing the Democratic nomination to be a United States senator from Maine and would have perhaps even become the senator of Maine in November.

[00:14:50] And then, you know, Lou, well, first of all, break down what you think about Plattner and why he was of interest to some people and basically who he was and the issues at play there before we get to what his downfall was. Yeah, so Plattner was a kind of guy, James. He had that ability to harness that populist kind of charisma. You know, I'm just a fisherman in Maine. I'm just a regular guy.

[00:15:18] He ran against the Epstein billionaire class. He had very specific policy prescriptions for a lot of issues, which in itself is unusual. He was a foe of the Israel lobby. I'm going to tell you that flat out. But, you know, he was without doubt a DSA Democrat. He wanted Medicare for all. He wanted a lot of things I don't want. But this guy was something different. And, guys, he blew out a sitting governor.

[00:15:47] She had to get out of the race. She was polling at 10%, the sitting governor of this state. You know, this is the big underlying thing, James, and I think we're going to talk about it when we get into the third-party thing. There's a big rumble under the ground right now in this country. And different kinds of people can tap into it, and he was tapping into it in Maine. What is happening to Blue State America? He was running away with it.

[00:16:16] What's happening to Blue State America? It seems like they're really falling apart. They've gone into full-blown anti-white cultural Marxism now. At least it seems from our vantage point. Well, I mean, I think that's true. Nothing new there. No, no, there's nothing new with that, Keith. But I think in this case, in a state that is relatively a white state, he was tapping into the kind of things that's also happening on the right.

[00:16:45] And I don't know how much recently you've talked to any young people that are trying to find a house right now, that have a $100,000 student loan debt, that know a lot of these elections are rigged, that know that there are aliens flooding this country and taking their jobs. I just talked to an electrician in Seattle the other day, a union electrician,

[00:17:09] and there are companies now defying the state and bringing in people making $10, $15 an hour. It's $100 an hour to be an electrician in Seattle. It's $100 an hour. That's what they get. And it's being undercut even in the bluest of areas. These aliens are coming in. And people, I mean, I'm telling you guys, we're on the verge of a revolution in this country. And which way it's going to go, we'll have to see.

[00:17:34] But this is why people like Platton are getting nominated and are in the picture. It's not that I agree with any of his views on probably DEI or immigration, but he is tapping into this understanding that there are people running this country who hate us and don't care about us. Well, like we've said, what's new? But on the other hand, you know, the young not only cannot afford a house,

[00:18:02] a new pickup truck costs as much as a house used to. That's right. That's right. There you go. They can't afford a pickup or vehicle now, too. So, you know, we've really got, you know, a recipe for revolution, I think. Well, and again, Lou, we're going to get to this in the third hour. We're moving at a good pace here. I wanted to cover Graham. I wanted to cover McConnell. Now we're talking about Plattner.

[00:18:27] These are three Senate races, three senators or presumptive nominees until this whole thing ran off the rails for Plattner. And we're going to get into something even bigger after the bottom of the hour break in the second half of this hour with Lou. And then don't go anywhere. Uwe Boll, the director of Citizen Vigilante, is with us in the second hour. Going to do a deep dive on that movie. A lot of fun still to have to be had here tonight on TPC.

[00:18:54] But, Lou, yes, as you say, with Graham Plattner, there was, oddly, some common ground we could find with him. Even though he was certainly left-wing on a lot of things, he was a left-wing populist in some ways. And there was... He was Jew-wise. There were some common ground.

[00:19:14] Well, I mean, this was one of the things that the media had picked up on was supposedly he had some sort of a World War II, German World War II tattoo even. But, nevertheless, how did it all go awry? Well, we saw this. We've seen it many times. Most recently, just a few weeks ago with Thomas Massey, although they didn't need to go there with him, but they did.

[00:19:38] And they certainly went there with Roy Moore, Judge Moore, who, if I had to guess, I would say Roy Moore has probably never even held the hand of a woman except for his wife. But you have here now, Lou, it's almost expected now. I mean, you can just set your watch by it.

[00:19:58] You're going to have somebody a few days before an election or a primary or whatever come out and allege sexual assault or sexual misconduct. And in this case, it was his longtime girlfriend. Now, they had broken up not too long ago, but she had been with them for a long time. And then she comes out and forces him to drop out. I don't think he should have dropped out at all. This is his ex-girlfriend saying he was raping her while they were together? I mean, is that what was it?

[00:20:28] It's like a decade-long rape, apparently. Well, I mean, what was the real story there, Lou? The story with Plattner, you mean? I'm not totally sure. This last allegation, the proof is that she talked to a counselor five years ago about it, and she talked to a couple of her friends. I'm not questioning whether it happened. I don't have any idea, but I'll tell you what is absolutely true. And it's the same thing that happened in California.

[00:20:56] The powers that be decided that in that governor's race there that they didn't need the guy who was leading the pack because he might set up a dynamic where two Republicans would have ended up in their top two primary system. And by taking him out, with the way the numbers worked and the way the numbers fell, they're only going to have one Republican, and he won't have a prayer in the general election.

[00:21:26] And everybody in the party, all the party leadership, come out at the same time and say, this guy's got to go. And it's the same thing with Plattner. You can't tell me people didn't know about a lot of this stuff. And, of course, there were other things that did come out. But, oh, no, despite Me Too and all this, nobody was really saying much or reacting to some of these other allegations that were made with this guy.

[00:21:52] And then suddenly, all of a sudden, every leader in the party at one time turns on him. Do you think Plattner was paid to take a dime? Yeah, I've got to ask you. I mean, why would he step down? When the allegations are coming from an ex-girlfriend, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and we know all of that. But, I mean, why do you think? I would have never stepped down. Well, you know, he may have taken a dime.

[00:22:18] The other thing is he may, you know, the reason they all turned on him is the other question. Some people are saying it was the Israel lobby. Hold on a second. You know, and I'm always suspicious in that area. But the other thing is there may have been polling. Non-kosher certified candidates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there is polling that may suggest that Collins may have ended up being able to beat him. I am skeptical of that.

[00:22:43] But, you know, this thing of holding the Senate, you know, this is a life or death match to these people right now. But, I mean, the thing. And for us, too. To me, no, no, it's big. It's a big issue for that reason alone. But to me, I mean, the big takeaway that I'm so interested in this is that, I mean, he was an interesting person. And you like interesting people in politics. They're rare.

[00:23:07] But this whole thing now, this new phenomenon that all of these women, in the case of Roy Moore, you had people coming out of the woodworks that he supposedly met, you know, in the 50s and 60s. And they kept it in all these years until right before the election. You see all these women coming out right before an election. They carry this burden with them right until they can sink somebody. It's dangerous to be a heterosexual man nowadays.

[00:23:32] Well, I mean, is this going to be expected now that if you have any sort of close race, you're going to have some sort of allegation? And these women always just fall away after the election's over. I mean, nothing happened to Moore because nothing happened to begin with. I mean, this is just, I guess. Or Kavanaugh. Yeah. Kavanaugh. No, no. No, James, I think that's a good point. And it was pointed out. This is not, I didn't come up with this thought, but it's been posed by others that we're in this era now where you go on Facebook or whatever,

[00:24:02] and you can connect up and figure out who a guy has been dating. And, you know, I just got to say, in a society where people don't wait until marriage to have sex and it's just, you know, dating and having sex are considered to be exactly the same thing, a lot of guys out there are vulnerable, and it's not hard to come up with the information of what somebody's dating history is, and that didn't used to be true. So I don't know. And that's a great observation, Lou. That's very insightful.

[00:24:31] And also, for the right price, anybody can make an allegation that can't be proven or disproven at least long enough to cause somebody problems until the election's over. Maybe they drop out like Plattner did. I don't think he should have, but nevertheless, he did. We'll be right back. Third-party fever in the air. Exposing corruption. Informing citizens. Pursuing liberty. You're listening to Liberty News Radio.

[00:25:00] Breaking news this hour from Town Hall. I'm Mary Rose. The U.S. military says it has launched new airstrikes against Iran to swiftly punish the country's Revolutionary Guard for an attack in Jordan that killed two American service members, left one more missing, and four requiring hospitalization. U.S. Central Command said Saturday the strikes were designed to further degrade Iran's ability to restrict the traffic of oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz.

[00:25:30] More from Bob Agnew. Two U.S. service members were killed, one still missing after an attack on a base in Jordan. Iran's Supreme Leader warns of what he calls unforgettable lessons if the U.S. continues its attacks, and Tehran says it has suspended its commitment to the interim deal signed with the U.S. The intensifying exchange of fire in recent days has hit infrastructure and affected civilians. In some cases, the U.S. and Iran have blown past their red lines as they lurch back toward all-out war,

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[00:29:58] Another thing I love about Lou Moore is he likes good music just like I do

[00:30:49] and just like Keith Alexander does. And, Lou, if my memory is not failing me, you said in your most recent appearance with us that you were a fan of the turtles, so we'd like to dedicate that one to you tonight, Lou. Nobody but Lou. Thank you. Thank you so much. I think they were the pride of Redondo Beach, California, where I used to live, if I remember correctly. Oh, there's the connection. They went kind of weird, and they joined Frank Zappa's band or something. Oh, I mean, is that right?

[00:31:19] Let's not talk about it. I think that they did do it. Yeah, they did. At least the vocalist, I know, did one album with Zappa. I don't want to admit how familiar I am with his music to you, though, Keith. Sorry. Like Eddie and Flo. I think Flo and Eddie. Yeah, Flo and Eddie, right. The guy that just basically stayed up there and looked goofy, I think, was a big Zappa fan. Yeah, but let's just say, let's just be honest, though. They had a lot of good songs. Oh, they did. You just heard one of them. You just heard one of them. Hey, I'll tell you what we get a lot of,

[00:31:48] and that is a lot of good letters and e-mails and correspondence from our audience. And I've got one here that I have saved just for Lou's next appearance, and this comes from a listener in Texas. He writes, Dear TPC, it's been a great year so far with guests like Lou Moore. I listened to his series on Eisenhower, and I learned a lot from him. I recommend all TPC listeners go check out his Hour of Decision show.

[00:32:16] They can learn more from more on traders like Ike. Keep up the good work. So, Lou, give them all the information they need to do just that. Where can they hear your Hour of Decision every week? Well, probably the best way is to hear it on the same network we're on right now, Liberty News Radio. I'm on at 2 p.m., I guess, Eastern Time, noon Mountain Time, where I'm at.

[00:32:41] And it's also linked to my website, loumoore.com, and it's other places. And it's on Rumble. If you want to look at me while I rant into the microphone, you can go on Rumble. Oh, wow. I didn't even know that. You can bet it's a certainty that I'll be there now. Thank you, Lou. So, on LibertyNewsRadio.com, you can catch it for just the audio. But Lou's also on Rumble, so you can see that smiling face.

[00:33:09] And there's a rumor that I'm going to be on YouTube, although I was dismissed from YouTube a few years ago because of my election integrity views. But we'll see. All right. Well, hey, listen, the more you know. If you've been renewed, it won't last long. Well, Rumble is really where all the cool kids are anyway, Lou, so don't even worry about that.

[00:33:31] But anyway, so what we were originally going to have you back on tonight for was to talk about Tucker Carlson and third-party politics. And then Graham died, and then there was this rumor about McConnell, and I was interested in the Plattner story. So we worked that in as well. But let's take a minute and really get into this. Now, when I first heard Tucker Carlson threaten that he was going to build a third party, I've been there. Lou, you know far better than I what that's like.

[00:33:59] But I know a lot that people don't know about building third parties, about ballot access, how wildly it varies from state to state. You don't just say you're building a party and you're running for president. I mean, there are real things like ballot access and how rigged the game is against you, and if you're trying to approach it from that way. So I sort of just thought, well, Tucker Carlson, I mean, is he going to be the presidential candidate? He doesn't have the money that Perot had.

[00:34:27] He doesn't have the political chops that Buchanan had. He doesn't have the charisma and the star power that Trump had or the money. But anyway, you texted me that there is a man named Rich Barris who has put forth some information that I think our audience may need to consider.

[00:34:47] So tie all that in with Tucker Carlson and third party and Graham Plattner and this sort of the tremors beneath the crust here that could possibly make something like this fly. What are you thinking, Lou? Well, yeah, thanks. So Rich Barris is somebody who I've worked with. I've actually written a couple of polls with him that I paid for. So I had a hand in writing him.

[00:35:13] He is, in my opinion, the most accurate poster in the United States of America today, particularly when you're trying to assess something like this, something like MAGA, something that's not traditional Republicanism, or now this new phenomenon that we have in America, starting with millennials but really even younger, these people going a totally different direction than the boomers.

[00:35:44] And not just as far as left and right, but as far as attitude, as far as beliefs that our institutions are all rigged and corrupt, and I'm open to doing about anything about it. And so he's got a book that's going to be coming out in September. I'm not here to hawk his books or anyone else, but I'm just telling you. It's called Burning It Down, I think. I would highly recommend it because I already know a lot of the stuff that's going to be in it.

[00:36:11] And, you know, he has warned the MAGA people. He's warned them about the Iran war, the seriousness of that, and particularly with the youth, all of the footsie with Israel. They're not going for the old okey-doke anymore, as I call it. This is a new generation, and whether they go left, whether they go right, that's an open question.

[00:36:36] But they're not just going to sit and put up with what the situation is right now that we talked about in the last hour. You can't afford to buy a house. You can't buy a car. You might have $100,000 student loan debt because some counselor told you to, you know, take a philosophy major or, you know, even a very, you know, a very concrete major like engineering. I mean, they start way behind in life.

[00:37:00] Even people don't want to be doctors now because they're just little cogs in a big system. It's not, you know, it's not the same to be a doctor anymore. And, you know, I can go on and on for three hours on this topic, and this is what he has been doing more and more polling on, and he's shown that there is an appetite on the right in particular for a third party.

[00:37:24] But, you know, the problem is, James, I mean, you identified some very concrete problems that I'm also very familiar with. And it's very problematic to just build a third party. But, anyway, it's this ill ease that he has identified, and he spent a lot of time with Tucker. Tucker had him on the show. Tucker's gone over a lot of his polling data, and it has influenced Tucker's view that it's time for us to build a third party.

[00:37:53] But, you know, so this is a big topic, and people are always like, you know, a lot of times to me it's just slop, where people say, oh, left and right, there's no difference. Oh, we need a third party, and then they go wander off somewhere, and they don't have a clue what that actually means. And, you know, I lived it kind of from the other side, because Ron Paul, in 1988, at a time where his message could have been as powerful as it was in 2007, in 2008,

[00:38:23] you know, he spent a ton of effort to beat a member of the American Indian movement. Russell Means, I think his name was, to win the Libertarian Party nomination. And then how many votes did he get in November? Not many. Not many. But, you know, he figured out, no, no, I'm running as a Republican. I'm going to run as me, but I'm going to use that party apparatus to get my message across.

[00:38:51] So that's always been Ron's philosophy. That was our philosophy in 2008. And, you know, and he was an advisor to Pat Buchanan. He saw everything that you saw even more up close and personal. And, you know, we all felt he was right about that calculation. That, you know, we've always had a two-party dynamic in this country all the way back. All the way back, the first contested election started the two-party dynamic.

[00:39:19] You know, the parties have changed, and their character has changed, their positions have changed, and there's been a lot of chicanery, and there's been a lot of control from the top of both parties. But that's, you know, that's the negative. That's the negative about this. And even Rich's polling is showing that a third party can destroy the GOP. It doesn't produce a path to victory.

[00:39:42] But at the same time, as I say all this, how much unrest will there be as we move into the 28 election? What happens if the stock market collapses, which Bank of America is even telling investors may happen? What happens if this real estate bubble breaks, as it did in 2008, where you get the boomers affected? They're not affected right now.

[00:40:10] So they can sit and watch Fox News, oh, go to war, great, everything. But when they're affected as much as these youth are being affected right now, then what's going to happen? And is there an opening for a third party if we can't get a candidate to help working people in the Republican Party, which is a likelihood right now? So anyway, those are a lot of the issues floating around this, I think.

[00:40:38] Well, you know, Lou, I'm a boomer. I think you are too, right? Totally. Yeah, and see. So he's not talking about you, Keith, so don't worry about it. I know, but the thing is, see, all this idea that somehow we were exempt from it, I was one of the first people in the first wave of people affected by affirmative action. Totally. Let me just say this. It's a lot easier to tear something down than to build it up, and it's like a Humpty Dumpty. Once he falls, it's over.

[00:41:08] All the king's horses and all the king's men can't put it back together again. And as a white advocate, quite frankly, I'm happy enough with what Trump has done domestically. It's what's done in terms of foreign policy that I think is really disgraceful. And, of course, it's the same old usual suspects, the non-Irish, as they say, that are responsible for all of that. Well, let's talk more about it. Yes, Keith.

[00:41:35] But let's talk a little bit more about third party politics, practically speaking, with Lou Moore. And you're talking about building a third party. It is different, I think, right now. There is a different climate here. Because I can just tell you, Lou, the affordability crisis, which nobody's talking about really, you've mentioned it two or three times already tonight. I don't even think that's enough. You go back. Keith, you were on the show then.

[00:42:04] In 2010, when my first child was born, I won't tell people what I was making, but I don't think there was anybody listening tonight that would be jealous of what I was earning in 2010. Or now, for that matter. But in 2010, I was able to comfortably buy a house. That would never happen now. Absolutely not even possible for young people, young married couple, especially out of college, especially if you're saddled with student debt. But you're never going to be able to buy a house.

[00:42:34] So that does change things a little bit. Well, see, I remember this, though. I remember my wife and I staying down at her grandmother's house. And we were saying to each other, we'll never be able to afford something like this. You know, that's just, you know, it's more. You've got to get closer, Keith. There are a lot of people that imagine that what is happening to them is happening for the first time.

[00:42:55] And I can tell you, as a boomer, when it came to affirmative action, when it came to affordability of houses, we were dealing with the same, wrestling the same alligator. At least I was in my family. Yeah, but there's zero. I mean, you're going to have to buy into like $400 or half a million dollars now to even get a livable house. But that's an aside. I'm just saying that perhaps. We don't have 12% interest rates like we had under Jimmy Carter. You're at 7%, 8% now?

[00:43:24] But anyway, that's not the point. Lou, the point is this. I do think that that could shift things. But if you look at third parties, you go back, Perot. He didn't win a state, but he certainly carried a large enough percentage to where it cost Bush, which I don't care that it cost Bush. He didn't put Clinton in. They're all friends. They all go to the same galas together. I mean, that's not a big deal. But he didn't carry a single state. But he did get a huge portion, relatively speaking, of the popular vote.

[00:43:53] He got to go all the way back to Wallace to find a third party candidate who actually carried states. And so looking ahead to this, it seems as though it would benefit the left more than – well, I don't want to say the left is the Democrats and the right is the GOP. Don't get me wrong. But, I mean, this would almost certainly be electing whoever the Democrats nominate. Yes? Yep. Yep. I can't figure out any way around it.

[00:44:20] And particularly if more and more people get prominent positions in the Democrat Party that are appealing to this same discontent. I just read today in Wisconsin, they had everything set up to where they had this establishment candidate who's going to be their gubernatorial nominee. And now she's in a big finance scandal with her campaign, and they say a DSA person has almost got it locked.

[00:44:50] And she's off the charts to the left. And that's going to be their nominee in Wisconsin. That doesn't mean she's going to win. But, you know, things are moving on the Democrat side very quickly and all over the country. This isn't just in the most bluest of areas. You know, it's just so – I'm looking at my notes, and I'm listening to you, and I'm reminiscing a little bit. And, you know, I'm a third-party romantic. I am.

[00:45:20] It's how I cut my teeth when I was 19, 20 years old working with Pat in that endeavor. And he ended up getting, you know, less than 1% of the vote. And he was one of the greatest candidates ever. But there's so much into it, not just the money. You have to be able to command the media attention, as Trump was able to do. But the ballot access requirements, as they vary from state to state, is unbelievable.

[00:45:44] And then if you're not in the presidential debates – and I remember them gaming Pat in 2000. They kept changing the threshold of what would qualify someone to be in the presidential debates. At first it was just if you were receiving federal taxpayer funds, which the Reform Party candidate was due as a result of Perot's success in 92 and 96. And then they said, well, it's not just that anymore. Now you've got to have this percentage of the vote at this particular date.

[00:46:10] And by X number of polling entities, and that was the threshold. And then Pat sued them. Well, the game is rigged. I would just say – yes. And so the idea that anybody from Tucker, whether it be Marjorie Taylor Greene or Tucker himself running for president, that is a lot, a lot to overcome. And – Just to be on the ballot. Well, to be on the ballot or to compete. I mean, because you want to compete.

[00:46:33] Well, listen, Donald Trump became president twice, but he couldn't beat Pat Buchanan in the Reform Party presidential primary because third parties – you know, we were able to go in there and organize and take over these state reform parties back in early 2000. And, you know, hey, we had the delegates, so we won. But, you know, you can attest, Lou, to how rigged even the two-party system is from insertion candidacies. Oh, my God. Can I ever.

[00:47:03] Ron Paul had the most – And I heard some real stories. I just started to interrupt you. Go ahead. No, no, no, no. I was just going to say Ron Paul. I was thinking to you. Yeah. I was told the story of something that happened in 96 in South Carolina to Pat at a Republican primary where they literally locked a whole auditorium of his people, locked them in, so they couldn't join in a larger auditorium to vote at one of these county conventions.

[00:47:31] Of course, it's wilder than – it's unbelievably wild in South Carolina. But no, totally. But I'll tell you something, James. I don't want this to be a narrative all on one side because if the Republican Party is just manifestly unable to bring us a candidate that will go for the mass deportations,

[00:47:52] that will do the divorce with Israel, that absolutely has to happen, that will quit spending so much money and destroying our dollar, and that will do two or three of these existential – deal with these existential crises, I think that is going to open the field up. And I don't see the dynamics in this next election. I don't see how it would do anything but elect the Democrats.

[00:48:21] But over time, as boomers die – and already millennials are the biggest voting bloc. They're just not as reliable of voters, but they're already the biggest voting bloc in the voter file. And if things don't get better, you know, it might be time to start building something else. That's not what I'm advocating right now. And I don't know what Tucker thinks he's building.

[00:48:49] But I'll tell you with my point of view – and, of course, I kind of love the idea that people are talking to Greg Bovino right now, to be honest with you. But something's got to give on some of these key issues. It's just not good enough anymore to have something not quite as bad as the Democrats. We're not doing the mass deportations. This is the end of our country over not that many years. Well, of course, immigration is a race problem, too.

[00:49:18] Nobody wants to really confront that 800-pound grill on the living room couch. But, you know, it basically endorses what we've been saying on this show since the very beginning. And it's – you know, that's what – yeah, if we were inundated with immigrants from Europe, I don't think anybody would be complaining. Yeah, some of these – yeah, Scandinavians, no, it wouldn't be – no, I mean, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. We'll be honest about that. But I think people realize what you're saying, Keith.

[00:49:48] Everybody knows that. And, yes, Greg Bovino has put forth this exploratory committee. And, listen, again, I don't care if it destroys – I started – my whole thing started – I even remember thinking, well, I don't think Pat's going to be president. But if we can at least cost Bush the election, I'll be happy with that. We couldn't even do that. And there's this weird thing with the butterfly ballots in Palm Beach, Florida, and how Gore ended up losing. It was just unbelievable.

[00:50:18] But my whole thing was destroying the Republican Party. Well, you know, the Republicans are possibly destroying themselves with the younger generation, as Lou was saying. But, look, the Democrats are destroying themselves with the Jews. So, you know, it looks like both parties are suffering from the same malady. It's easy to say one thing and then when you're not in power. I don't think that the party of Schumer is going to be as anti-Israel, at least at their base maybe, but not the people who are going to be making the decisions that they come back.

[00:50:46] Well, these new Democratic Socialists seem to be – that seems to be a big part of their platform. Yeah, well, if a Democrat president gets elected, you're not going to see them bucking Israel, I don't think. But nevertheless, Lou, a final word to you on this. I still listen. Hey, if the Republicans aren't going to give us more than what we've got, I don't mind a third party coming in and seeing what happens. But – Don't want to lose to the Democrats. Well, I mean –

[00:51:14] Another factor – I know our time's running short here – but I think the GOP establishment is extremely concerned about this. And my number one piece of evidence is what J.D. Vance was allowed to say on Joe Rogan the other night, how he was saying things that nobody could say in polite society a few years ago, that Israel was too dominant in our foreign policy, that they were interfering with the negotiations to end the war.

[00:51:42] He said this on Joe Rogan, the vice president of the United States. Now, words are not actions. But I think at least he has seen – the man who said the most influential book for his political philosophy is The Death of the West. I mean, he said this. I don't – I look at his marital status and everything. I don't know. But anyway, they're worried. They know what I'm talking about. It's not just me.

[00:52:10] I said, you know, there's – it's been clearly identified in the Massey race and a hundred other ways. The youth are a different breed of cat on our side of the football. Totally different. On their side, too. Well, I think – It's just a different – Yeah. The right and the left are not the same. Their youth is different from our youth. But both of them are bucking the system.

[00:52:33] Well, and I think increasingly, Lou, I mean, one thing that's different as far as third-party politics are concerned is that we are the counterculture now. And that's real. And most people – most cool people that I see around here that are high schoolers, you know, are at least Trumpists, if not further than that. I mean, you do see that. You wouldn't have seen that. You know, when I was 20, nobody cool was right-wing, you know, in my peer groups.

[00:53:02] But maybe they were nominally conservatives or like country club, you know, Republicans. But I went to a very elite private Christian school. But, you know, they weren't Democrats. Rockefeller Republicans. But they weren't us either. And anyway. But, all right, Lou, final word to you. We've got about a minute left, and Trump did give a speech. I guess we didn't get to that, as I thought we might. But Trump did give a speech on Thursday. Anywhere you want to close here, Lou?

[00:53:30] Well, Keith wanted to talk about the election integrity. I don't have a lot of time. But Trump is putting out some very significant information in official documents, information that's been available for three or four years. Go to my archives at securevote.news because I've talked about this stuff over the last three years, as have a lot of other people. But the whole question is, where are the perp walks? Where is the beef in the Trump administration?

[00:53:58] And I'm very questioning whether they're really going to deal with this election issue. The more things change, the more they stay the same, Lou, right? Unfortunately. Well, we're going to change that. That's the goal, at least. That's what we're here for. And thanks to people like Lou Moore. We have a chance to do it. Lou, I mean, I just, I still marvel. It's only been a couple of years since we got acquainted.

[00:54:26] So much has happened in those two years, I mean, with collaborations. And every time we have you on, I look forward to the next even more. Lou Moore, Hour of Decision on Rumble now, but also at LibertyNewsRadio.com. And you can catch it every week, and you should. And for our listener down in Texas, big Lou Moore fan, this one's for you. We'll talk to you again very soon, Lou. Uwe Bolling.